* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Historic Preservation Appeals Board on July 20, 2026.] [00:00:19] OPTION. HOUSTON TELEVISION, HTV OFFERS VIEWING OPTIONS VIA THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA AND WEBPAGE BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND RESPOND BY REPEATING YOUR NAME, SAYING, PRESENT WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME. I AM JD BARTELL, THE CHAIR, AND I'M PRESENT. UH, DOUGLAS. ELLIOT IS NOT PRESENT. TRUMAN EDM. PRESENT. STEVEN MCNEIL. PRESENT. BREE KELMAN. PRESENT AND DIRECTOR ROBERT WILLIAM. UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR ROBERT WILLIAMSON. PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM AS CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON HOW THIS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED. ALL SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO FILL OUT THE SPEAKER REQUEST FORM, TURN IT INTO THE FRONT DESK, AND EACH SPEAKER WILL BE HEARD IN PERSON WHEN THEY CALL ON YOU. HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE STAFF WILL OPEN WITH A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE APPEAL THAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD. THE APPELLANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE NEXT AND WILL BE GIVEN A REASONABLE TIME TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. I WILL THEN CALL ON ANY SPEAKERS WHO WISH TO COMMENT. WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD BY STAFF. THE APPELLANT MAY HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL IF DESIRED. FINALLY, BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SPEAKERS, WHICH WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST THE TIME ALLOTTED FOR SPEAKING. UH, MAY HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU, CHAIR BAREL, AND GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I'M ROBERT WILLIAMSON, ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. MY REPORT WILL BE VERY BRIEF TODAY AS I HAVE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS OR COMMENTS. SO IN CLOSING, IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THE PRIOR MEETING MINUTES WERE POSTED WITH THIS AGENDA. MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THESE MINUTES? IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, MOTION TOM ADMINISTER. SECOND KELMAN FAVOR. AYE. AYE. AYE. PASS THIS UNANIMOUSLY. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOUR MICROPHONE WENT OUT. OH. CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON JUNE 18TH, 2026. APPROVING WITH CONDITIONS. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR AN ADDITION AT 1 1 1 8 2 LANE STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT. GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HPAB. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON. AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM TWO AT 11 18 2 LANE. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 943 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY CRAFTSMAN STYLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT LOCATED IN THE HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1915. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE HOME AND AN INTERIOR REMODEL OF THE EXISTING HOME. THE EXISTING STONE HAS CAUSED THE FOUNDATION AND FRAMING OF THE HOME TO DETERIORATE. THUS, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TO REMOVE THE STONE PIECE PIECE BY PIECE, REPAIR THE FOUNDATION AND WALL FRAMING, THEN INSTALL SIDING IN PLACE TO IN PLACE OF THE STONE. PREVIOUS STAFF INSTRUCTED THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE THE STONE, HAVE IT PLACED ON THE PALLET AND NUMBER TO BE PUT BACK IN PLACE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. STAFF BELIEVES THIS WILL PLACE A HUGE FINANCIAL STRAIN ON THE PROJECT AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT THE HHC CONSIDER THE STONE BE PLACED WITH BE REPLACED WITH SIDING. STAFF AND SENIOR STRUCTURAL INSPECTOR REVISITED REVISITED THE HOME ON JUNE 5TH, 2026. PLEASE SEE THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS AND THE I INSPECTOR STATEMENT. IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 1,770 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS. THE [00:05:01] FIRST FLOOR WILL HAVE A 732 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AND THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION WILL BE 1038 SQUARE FEET. THEY PLAN TO MAINTAIN ALL EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS, PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED THE REAR WALL TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE REAR ADDITION TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF 26 FEET, 10 INCHES. CONSTRUCT THE SECOND FLOOR EAVE HEIGHT WITH A 20 FEET SEVEN INCH TOP. EAVE CONSTRUCT THE ROOF WITH NEW COMPOSITION SHINGLES AT FIVE WITH A FIVE AND A HALF, UH, FIVE OVER 12 ROOF PITCH. THE EXISTING FOUR OVER 12 ROOF PITCH IS TO REMAIN. THEY WILL CONSTRUCT THE HOME WITH A NINE FOOT FIRST FLOOR CEILING AND A NINE FOOT SECOND FLOOR CEILING HEIGHT. INSTALL NEW WINDOWS TO TO BE WOOD OR WOOD CLAD, INSET AND RECESSED IN THE ADDITION. SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING AND TRIM AT THE ADDITION. EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS ONE FOOT THREE INCHES AND WILL BE RAISED TO TWO FEET FOR THE ALTERATION. THEY WILL REPAIR EXISTING FASCIA AND SOFFITS WITH IN KIND MATERIAL AND REMOVE EXISTING STONE AND REPLACE WITH WOOD SIDING AT THE JUNE 18TH HHC MEETING. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THE HCS RULING WAS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE ORIGINAL VENEERS RETAINED, REPAIRED, AND REINSTALLED IN PLACE WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF SIDING FOR THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE HPAB. THE OWNER IS HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONING AS WELL AS OUR STRUCTURALLY INSPECTOR, AND THE OWNER HAS INFORMATION HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION BOARD MEMBERS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I GUESS I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO THE, UH, WE CAN'T MAKE A, UH, CHANGE IN RECOMMENDATION, SO, OKAY. YEAH. YES. OKAY. THANKS. MM-HMM . OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THE SPEAKER CARD. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM A STEVEN ROBINSON WHO, UH, IS THE OWNER OF 1 1 8 2 LANE. UH, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU BET. MY NAME IS STEVEN ROBINSON. OKAY. MY NAME IS STEVEN ROBINSON. I'M PROPERTY OWNER AT 1118 TULANE STREET SINCE 2014. AND SO TODAY I WANNA START WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF STORY, AN EMOTIONAL STORY. SO WHETHER IT'S RELEVANT OR NOT, IT, IT IS, I THINK 'CAUSE IT TIES IN. SO MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER, JAMES L. JENSEN, UH, WAS A HOME BUILDER IN THE HEIGHTS. THE TURN OF THE CENTURY, IS A DANISH IMMIGRANT. AND, UH, HE BUILT, MY MOTHER INHERITED THOSE HOMES FROM HIM IN 1972 FROM HER GRAND, HER GRANDMOTHER, AND LIVED WITH HER GRANDMOTHER WAS RAISED BY HER GRANDMOTHER. HIS ONE OF HIS PROPERTIES AS AT 7 12 7 21 ARLINGTON STREET, WHICH IS NOW HISTORIC, LISTED AS AN HISTORIC HOUSE, ONE AND A HALF STORY LANDMARK DESIGNATION BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND REGISTERED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I GET BACK TO THAT SOMETIME IN 2014, RIGHT BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOME AT TULANE, THE PROPERTY THERE, I TOOK MY MOTHER, WHO WAS IN LATE STARTING STAGES OF DEMENTIA BACK TO HER GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE AT 7 21 ARLINGTON. AND THE PERSON, THE LADY THAT OWNS THE HOUSE NOW, OR DID THEN ALLOWED US TO TOUR THE HOME. MY WIFE WAS WITH ME AT THE TIME, AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A HOUSE HERE SOMEWHERE IN [00:10:01] THE HEIGHTS JUST, AND KIND OF, KIND OF GO BACK THERE. SO WE LOOKED, SEARCHED, SEARCHED, SEARCHED, AND WE FOUND THIS 1118. WE KNEW IT WAS HISTORIC WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THROUGH IT. WELL, IT TURNS OUT WE COULDN'T GET THROUGH IT, BUT LET'S, LET'S BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO, THREE BIDS, DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS IN THE HEIGHTS, REPUTABLE BUILDERS, SOUTHERN GREEN, GABRIEL LUCAS ALL GAVE US BEDS. AND THEN WE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO WORK ON THE COA. THE COA WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF THE STONE WORK, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE COMMISSION IN THOSE DAYS. SO WE FINALLY, WE, A COUPLE ARCHITECTS DECLINED TO DO THE JOB. ONE NEWBURY CAMPA TOOK IT ON AND DID SOME VERY DETAILED WORK UP TO, AND INCLUDING, I WOULD SAY, WHINING AND DINING. THE COMMISSION. WE, WE COULD BARELY GET THE, THE, THE FOUNDATION RAISED. SO BOTTOM LINE, BEFORE I GET INTO OTHER DETAILS IF YOU NEED 'EM, BOTTOM LINE IS WE GO TO THE BANK. WE'RE EVEN TO THE POINT IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING, WHERE MY WIFE'S PICKING OUT APPLIANCES FOR THE KITCHEN. WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE PLANS. WE GO TO GY BANK. MARTIN ATKINSON, THEY SEND THE APPRAISAL APPRAISER OUT. THE TOTAL VALUE WAS 1 MILLION THAT HE APPRAISED THE HOUSE FOR WITH, AND THIS WAS A 3000 FOOT SQUARE, 3000 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT WE WE'RE ASKING FOR NOW. SO MARTIN SSON COMES BACK AND SAYS IT DIDN'T MEET APPRAISAL WE'RE OVER 80,000 SHORT. AND OUR, OUR DOWN PAYMENT WAS INCLUDED SELLING THE CURRENT HOUSE THAT WE WERE IN AT THAT TIME, AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN ECONOMIC HARD CHIP. NOW, IF YOU WANT THE EXACT BIDS, WE ALSO HAD THREE STONE MASON BIDS AND FOUNDATION BIDS FROM THE 2015 16 ERA. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE. AND ALSO WE HAVE CURRENT BIDS IN PLACE. SOUTHERN GREEN FOUNDATION. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, JUST STONEWORK 54. LUCAS CRAFTSMAN 54, GABRIEL 66, CURRENTLY MASONRY SOLUTIONS. 62. NOW I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, AND ALSO YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD OF WESTERN SPECIALTY. THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT GOLD BRICK AWARDS FOR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON. RIGHT? GREAT STONE. PEOPLE THAT GATHER CRAFTSMEN UP FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND BRING HIM IN. SO AFTER I CALLED THEM, AND THIS WAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THEY SENT A GUY NAMED KEN WALTERS IN. HE WAS PART OF THESE GOLD BRICK MASONRY TEAMS. HE COMES IN AND LOOKS AT THE HOUSE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I EXPECTED A BID HE DOESN'T OWN. YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS HAVE TO WORK. SO ESPECIALLY HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. THEY'LL TAKE IT. THEY'LL TAKE WHAT THEY CAN GET. WELL, YOU LOOKED AT THE HOUSE AND SAID, IT'S BEAUTIFUL WORK, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE, FOR, BACK IN THE DAY. AND, UH, HE SAID HE'D GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE. HE GOES TO HIS BUSINESS PARTNER. I JUST GOT THIS NEWS THIS LAST WEEK, PAST WEEK, LAST WEEK, AND SAID HIS BUSINESS PARTNER SAID, WE DON'T WANT THIS JOB. HE ALSO SAID THAT, NOW LET'S GO TO MASONRY SOLUTIONS. AND I'VE GOT A BID HERE FROM HER. AND SHE SAID, IT'S POINTLESS TO TRY TO MARK AND IDENTIFY THESE STONES AND PALLETIZE THEM 'CAUSE IT'S 40% BREAKAGE WAS HER ESTIMATE. KEN WALTERS SUPER EXPERIENCED 50 SOMETHING, 60-YEAR-OLD GUY, SAID ALSO THE SAME, UP TO 50% BREAKAGE. THE LENTILS ABOVE THE WINDOWS ARE PROBABLY 150 POUNDS. THIS IS KEN SAYS IT'S LIMESTONE, NOT CASTSTONE. IT'S PROBABLY, IT COULD BE, IT'S PROBABLY IS, UH, LIMESTONE. EACH PIECE. IT'S THE SAME DENSITY AS THE TOTAL WEIGHT ON THAT FOUNDATION. I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS, 60,000 POUNDS. SO IT HAD NO CHANCE OF STAYING INTACT OVER THAT LONG PERIOD. IN FACT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE FLOOR JOIST OR NOTCHED ONTO THE FOUNDATION. AND OVER TIME, NONE OF THEM WERE ORIGINAL. SO WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENED OVER TIME, AS IT SETTLED INTO THE GROUND, THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY DIG OUT UNDER THIS FLOOR, REMOVE THE FLOOR JOISTS, DIG OUT AND [00:15:01] REPLACE THE FLOOR JOISTS THAT WERE ROTTED BECAUSE OF TINY LITTLE VENTS AROUND THE HOUSE. SO THERE'S NO CIRCULATION UNDER THE HOUSE. ALSO HAVE, WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING DOWN THE LINE HERE. ALSO HAVE TWO ENGINEERING REPORTS FROM INSIGHT STRUCTURES. BRAD DAUGHTERY, PE FIRST ON THE ORIGINAL COA CONDEMNING THE FOUNDATION. AND HE CAN'T REALLY CONDEMN THE STONE 'CAUSE HE IS NOT A STONE MASON. BUT THERE'S THAT. I HAVE TWO OF THOSE REPORTS ALSO. LAST WEEK HE REVISITED THE SITE. I PAID HIM TO REVISIT THE SITE. HE SAID, IF ANYTHING, IT'S WORSE. HE TOOK PHOTOS, INTERIOR PHOTOS, THE FLOORS PULLED UP. SO WE CAN SEE THE FOUNDATION. THERE'S A, THERE'S A FASCIA ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE FOUNDATION WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE CONDITION OF IT, BUT FROM THE INSIDE, MULTIPLE CRACKS ON THE CORNERS, GOING ALL THE WAY INTO THE SOIL ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO I CAN READ HIS REPORT TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU WANT, I'VE GOT THE DOCUMENTS HERE. AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING NEW EVIDENCE IN ALSO, BUT THIS IS, I'M NOT, I HAD TO GATHER THIS UP. LEMME, AND I CAN BACK UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. TERRANCE DID A GOOD JOB TRYING TO GET A REPLICA SIDING REPLICA OF THIS HOME. HE DID A GOOD JOB PUTTING IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. AND MY ARCHITECT, NOT NECESSARILY TERRENCE, SAID, THIS IS ALMOST A SLAM DUNK. WE CAN GET THIS DONE. SO I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PREP ANYTHING TO SUPPORT TERRANCE'S POSITION OF THE INFORMATION I'VE GIVEN YOU SO FAR. UM, UM, FOUNDATION BACK IN 2015. NOW OF COURSE, SOUTHERN GREEN, 74,000, GABRIEL 47, AND LUCAS 78, PROBABLY MORE REASONABLE. THEY ALSO, BACK, BACK IN 2015, WANTED, IS TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THE WOOD FRAMING AS POSSIBLE. THE WOOD FRAMING IS ABSOLUTELY UNSUITABLE AND DANGEROUS TO EVEN WORK WITH. SO NOW WE COME TO THE CURRENT APPRAISAL FROM HCA 2026, LAND MARKET VALUE, FIVE 90 4K BUILDINGS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, 21,000. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. STONE MASONRY COSTS VERSUS VALUE. COST VERSUS VALUE. IT'S, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? SO, SO THE, I ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE BUILDERS. I'VE GOT A LETTER FROM MARTIN ATKINSON ON THE APPRAISAL COST VERSUS VALUE ARGUMENT. UM, IF YOU WANT WANT ME TO READ THOSE, I CAN. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS. I'M SURE I'VE PROBABLY OPENED UP SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS. UH, BUT ALSO SINCE 2015, WE'VE TRIED REPEATEDLY TO GET IT STARTED AGAIN. AND WE'VE HIT THE, WE'VE HIT THE WALL ON STONE REPLACEMENT VERSUS A, A REPLICA, A SIDING REPLICA. EACH TIME WE TRIED TO GO, PETE CARROLL HAS VISITED THE SITE MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S KIND OF A FAMOUS HISTORIC HOME THERE. I'M NOT SURE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HISTORIC. AND I, I AL I WONDER ALSO TODAY COMING IN, I WANT, I WONDER WHAT MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT STONE HOUSE BACK IN THE DAY WHEN IT WAS BUILT. AND HE WOULD SAY, WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING IN THE HEIGHTS? EVERY HOME HERE IS CYPRUS AND PINE SIDING. BEAUTIFULLY CONSTRUCTED AND DONE RIGHT. CYPRUS BEAMS. SO HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF THAT AND KNEW IT WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE, BE A PROBLEM. SO ANYWAY, HERE WE ARE. I MET YOU GUYS MERCY ON THIS. WE WOULD LOVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS HOUSE AND MAKE IT AS HISTORIC A, A REPLICA AS WE CAN MAKE IN A, IN A SIDING FRAME. ALSO, UH, THIS IS SUB, IT'S SUB SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE. YOU HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS. THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ACROSS THE STREET WOULD LOVE FOR US TO GO FORWARD ON THIS HOUSE INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE DETERIORATING, FALLING TO THE GROUND AND JUST, YEAH. SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS THERE? ANY QUESTIONS? YOU'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2014. I'M CURIOUS WHAT STEPS YOU'VE TAKEN TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE BETWEEN 2014 [00:20:01] AND 2026. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO VISIT THE HOME AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THE BACK OF THE HOME STONE STRUCTURE IS FALLING TO THE GROUND AS WE SPEAK. THE SETTLING IS SO SEVERE, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT SQUARE AND THEY'RE CRACKING THE GLASS AND THE WINDOWS. THE STONE, THE HEAVY STONE IS DESTROYING THE HOME. AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT IS REMOVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WOULD YOU DRILL UNDER IT? WOULD YOU? I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY. SO YOU'VE TAKEN NO STEPS TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY BETWEEN 2014 AND 2026. I THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, I BUILD IN THE STORE HOMES FOR A LIVING. SIR, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR HOME, BUT THERE ARE SOME STEPS THAT YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS HOME IN THE LAST 12 YEARS? UH, NO, BECAUSE BECAUSE WHY WOULD I SPEND MONEY ON IT TO DO THAT? RIGHT? I MEAN, IF I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL RESULT WHEN YOU DO REPAIRS, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT. WHAT THE, WHAT'S THE RESULT GONNA BE? SO YOU, I'VE, WE REMEMBER WE HAD ALREADY PUT A LOT OF ENGINEERING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOIL ENGINEERING ON THAT LOT. THE LOT ITSELF HAS TO BE COMPLETELY REGRADED. IT'S GOT SEVERAL LOW SPOTS IN IT, INCLUDING THE, WHERE THE HOUSE SITS. IT HAD A SUMP PUMP THAT WAS NOT OPERABLE. WHEN I, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, IT WAS NOT OPERABLE. AND THE VENTS ARE SO SMALL, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT'S DETERIORATING FASTER THAN YOU CAN PRESERVE IT. HAVE YOU APPLIED A POORLY DESIGNED HOME, SIR? HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR A COA BEFORE? YES. JUNE. OH, BEFORE THIS LAST ONE? YES SIR. OKAY. JUST CURIOUS, JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD YEAH, THAT'S GONE DOWN THIS ROAD. THE COA EVEN GOES BACK TO SAY 20 23, 24, WHERE COMMISSION MAYORS CHANGED, COMMISSION MEMBERS CHANGED, AND PDS CHANGED DURING THAT TIME. SO I HAD DURING THAT TIME, I'M TRYING TO GET THESE GUYS, THE, THE OTHER PDS ARE NO LONGER THERE TO GO ALONG WITH ME. WELL, I'VE BEEN, HERE'S A QUOTE. WE DON'T LIKE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AND JUST GET, GET SLAMMED. NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. OR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. AND THAT WOULD BE STONE STONE REPLACEMENT. AND DO YOU HAVE A RESULT FROM THE COMMISSION ON A PREVIOUS COA APPLICATION IN 2023? NO, IT NEVER EVEN GOT THAT FAR. THEY WOULDN'T PRESENT IT TO THE COMMISSION WITH THE, WHAT WE HAD, WHAT WE GAVE THEM. IT WAS LIKE, WHO WANTS TO DO IT? THEY WERE AFRAID OF IT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY TO PUT IT. I MEAN, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MESS WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS, YEAH, WE HAD MULTIPLE SITE VISITS AT ONE TIME. THREE COMMISSION MEMBERS ALSO CAME OUT AND THEY'RE NO LONGER ON THE COMMISSION. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER THE RETRAINING COMMISSION MEMBERS ALMOST ON STONE MA ON HEAVY STONE MASONRY, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY ALSO DIDN'T MENTION THIS, IT IS THE ONLY STONE VENEER HOUSE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, PERIOD. FULL STOP. YOU GOT A FIRE STATION THAT HAS SOME FACADE OF STONE BUT NOT A VENEER. YOU AND YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, LIBRARY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CASTSTONE AT THE ENTRANCE AND THAT'S IT. SO DOES AND DOES THAT MAKE IT SPECIAL? YES. IF IT, IF IT HAD A FOUNDATION BUILT BY A CIVIL ENGINEER IN 1915, YES IT WOULD, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT WASN'T. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I HEARD YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE REAR, UH, STONE. I THINK THOSE WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY ADDRESSED BY THE ADDITION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSED. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE STONE DAMAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE ADDRESSED UP AT THE TIME OF WHICH YOU DID THE ADDITION? THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S NO, IT, IT'S NOT RELEVANT. IT'S RELEVANT IN, IN MR. MR. TROY'S ASSESSMENT OF KEEPING THE HOUSE EVEN DRY AND WEATHERPROOF THE, THE EXTERIOR JO, THE, THE WALL PLATE IS EXPOSED AND THE WALL JOIST ARE EXPOSED THERE ON THE BACK OF THE HOME, THE, THE, THE BACK OF THE HOME, THE PLYWOOD BOARDS UP. AND I'VE GOT PLYWOOD ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS CAN'T HOLD GLASS BECAUSE THEY'RE SETTLING. [00:25:01] SO WHAT ELSE? UH, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH, I HAVE ONE. UM, SURE. GOING BACK TO 2014, AND THEN YOU SAID YOU WENT TO THE BANK IN 20 15, 16, SO RIGHT. I WAS A BIT DID YOU GO THROUGH THE COA PROCESS THEN? OR YOU JUST OH YEAH. WE HAD COA APPROVED. THE COA WAS APPROVED WITH CON WITH ONEROUS CONDITIONS. IN OTHER WORDS, TAKE EACH STONE PIECE OFF MARKET. AND, AND KEN NEWBURY HAD FOUND A STONE CREW, PROBABLY WESTERN SPECIALTIES THAT MOVED A CHURCH FROM FRANCE TO HOUSTON AND REPLICATED IT. NOW COMMENT FROM KIM WALTERS WESTERN SPECIALTIES. IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO TRY TO TAKE THE STONE OFF AND PALLETIZE IT AND NOT CATALOG IT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A PUZZLE, RIGHT? YOU START BREAKING PIECES OR MOVING THEM OUT, OR YOU JUST START STACKING THEM. TWO OF THE STONE MASON BIDS SAID JUST THAT WE WILL NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH MARKING THEM. NOW YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. IT'S LIKE PUTTING A PUZZLE BACK TOGETHER WHERE YOU'RE CUTTING THE PIECES TO FIT AND THAT, AND THAT'S IF THEY HAD ENOUGH STONE TO FIT. PETE AND I DISCUSSED GOING, USING AS MUCH STONE AS POSSIBLE USING A THIRD OF THE FRONTAL STREET FACING HOUSE, USING A THIRD OF THAT, MAKING A THIRD OF THAT STONE. BUT THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. THE FRONT IS THE MOST INTRICATE DETAILING MM-HMM . SO THEN YOU START MISSING AND BREAKING LENTILS AND PIECES THERE. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO JERRY RIG SOMETHING IN THERE. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY ON THE HOUSE AND THEN IT TURNS OUT, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT YOU GET WITH STONE VERSUS THE CERTAINTY OF AN EXACT REPLICA, HISTORIC REPLICA SIGHTING IS, IS A NO-BRAINER. AND THE EXPENSE OF DOING THIS STONE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO. I THINK MY QUESTION WAS MORE AROUND THE TIMING OF YOUR PREVIOUS CC OF A WAS IN 2015. WELL, IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED. YEAH, 2015, I THINK. 2015. AND THEN IT, I THINK IT WAS APPROVED AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION STUFF HAD TO GO INTO 2016. THE BIDDING AND ALL THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND PERMITTING. AND THEN YOU GOT THE BIDS AND THEN YOU TOOK IT TO THE BANK AND IT RIGHT. TOOK IT TO THE BANK AND YOU COULDN'T YEAH, I CAN READ YOU A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE, FROM THE GENERAL, IF THAT'S, I I, I GET IT. I JUST WAS FOLLOWING ON, ON, UM, ON QUESTION. WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO TRY, WE TRIED, CAN WE LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL AGAIN? LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN. MM-HMM . THE APPRAISER, PAUL FUER, HE LIVED IN THE HEIGHTS. YEAH. HE'S AN EXCELLENT APPRAISAL. YEP. HE WAS HE WAS SUPER DETAILED. YEAH, GUY. YES, I KNOW HIM AND THE APPRAISAL, THINK ABOUT THE APPRAISAL WOULD'VE BEEN OFF EVEN MORE WITH A HIGHER BID YEAH. APPRAISAL. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO, BUT THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE GIVEN THEN WERE TO RETAIN THE STONE AND, AND YES. AND CATALOG. THERE, THERE WERE UNKNOWNS IN THE BIDS THAT I THINK THE CON THE, THE BUILDERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA PROTECT THEMSELVES. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT DO YOU END UP WITH IN THE FINISHED PRODUCT? RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY, THANKS. RIGHT. AND THEN A SECOND QUESTION, UM, HOW MUCH MONEY, AND IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SHARING THIS, IT'S PROBLEM, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU SPENT TO DATE ON THE HOUSE? YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T TOTALED UP EXACTLY, BUT I KNOW THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES BACK THEN WERE AROUND THE $40,000 RANGE. OKAY. THEN WHATEVER PERMITTING STUFF WE, WE WERE DOING THERE AND THEN ALL, ALL THE THINGS THAT WENT INTO THAT, THE, THE SOIL ANALYSIS, THE DRILLING, YOU KNOW, THE CORE SAMPLES THERE. THE, UH, BRAD DAUGHTER HAD INSIDE STRUCTURES, HIS AN, YOU KNOW, WHO ELSE, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE CURRENTLY ANOTHER 10,000 IN ARCHITECTURAL FEES. AND MY YOUNG ARCHITECT DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE TODAY FOR WHATEVER REASON. I'M NOT SURE. HE MAY BE, HE MAY BE SHY ABOUT PUBLIC SPEAKING OR WHATEVER. OKAY. BUT, UH, SO THERE'S HIS FEES. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE. I'M SURE JUST THE, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, MY WIFE HAS ESSENTIALLY ALMOST GIVEN UP. SHE SAYS, GOOD LUCK TODAY, BUT IT, YOU'RE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA WORK. SHE ESSENTIALLY HAS GIVEN UP NOW. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP. WE'RE BOTH FIXED INCOME NOW. WE'RE BOTH RETIRED. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH THIS. WE'VE GOT A GRANDSON ON SHARON STREET AND AN HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SHEN GRANTS. MY DAUGHTER'S THERE WITH A 1-YEAR-OLD BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOUSE. SO WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I'M SURE YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO THE RIGHT THING. OKAY. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, [00:30:01] FOUNDATION. YES, SIR. ON, YOU SAID YOU HAD ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS DONE. WHAT WAS THE NEW FOUNDATION RECOMMENDED? WELL, I BEFORE, LEMME SAY REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU ANSWER. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. CAN YOU ADDRESS YOUR COM YOUR RESPONSE TO THE A TO THE QUESTION AND NOT EXTRAPOLATE? NOT EXTRAPOLATE. JUST THE RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M GIVING YOU TOO MUCH STUFF GOING. OKAY. SO, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DID BRAD ERY SAY ABOUT THE FOUNDATION? NO, I'M NOT ASKING THAT. I'M ASKING WHAT THE NEW DESIGN WAS PROPOSED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD, HAD IT GONE THROUGH PERMITTING, WHAT EXACTLY WAS IT? YES, IT WAS A, ALSO IT WAS A GRADE BEAM. OKAY. PING BEAM. OKAY. WITH LARGE OPENINGS ON THE CORNERS 24 INCH. RIGHT. TO GET ADEQUATE VENTILATION UNDERNEATH YOUR FLOOR JOIST ON A STONE STRUCTURE IN HOUSTON CLIMATE, WHICH IS REALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE, BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE THE COST OF THE FOUNDATION ON STEEL LENTILS ABOVE THOSE LARGE OPENINGS WITH THAT, WITH THE HEAVY STONE SETTING ON IT. SO THAT WAS AN EXTRA COST ON THAT FOUNDATION. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN AT 2015. HOW DEEP WERE THE BEAMS? I'M JUST CURIOUS. RIGHT. THE BEAMS. I, I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER. 10 FEET, 10 TO 12 FEET DEEP. I'M SORRY, NOT THE BEAMS. FOUR FEET ON THE BEAMS. 10 TO 12 ON THE, ON THE, UM, PIERS. THEY'RE ALL SUPPORTIVE BY PIERS. OKAY. SUPER HEAVY WITH EYE BEAM, STEEL EYE BEAM ACROSS THE CENTER. OKAY. IT WAS, IT WAS SUPER, SUPER CONSERVATIVE FOUNDATION BY BRAD DORY BACK IN 2015. HE, BUT, AND HONESTLY, WHAT I WILL EXTRAPOLATE ONCE AGAIN ON THIS, HIS ASSESSMENT WOULD BE SLAB ON GRADE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS PROPERLY. RIGHT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT VENTING YOUR FLOOR STRUCTURE ON THE EXISTING FOUNDATION. WHAT TYPE? I'M ASSUMING IT'S A PERIMETER BEAM WITH SOME TYPE OF, UM, PIERS UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. OH WAIT, WE ASSUME THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT DRILLED. RIGHT. WE COULD ASSUME IT, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THERE WOULD BE ANY PIERS UNDER THE HOUSE. IN OTHER WORDS. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL HOUSE. OKAY. SO THE FLOOR JOISTS JUST WENT BEAM TO BEAM ACROSS WITH NOTHING IN BETWEEN. MAYBE, UH, SOME CINDER BLOCKS. OKAY. MAYBE SOME CINDER BLOCKS. OKAY. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PIERS UNDER THE CINDER BLOCKS FROM, FROM THAT DAY. I WOULD IMAGINE NOT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. I WANT TO EXTRAPOLATE A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, YOU BET. UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS EARLIER WHEN SHE ASKED FOR THE COST, YOU TALKED ABOUT A BUNCH OF THE SOFT COSTS. THAT'S RIGHT. I HAVE A, I'LL JUST USE MY OWN EXAMPLE. I'VE HIRED THREE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE ANY SHOVEL TO THE GROUND. RIGHT. SO WHAT EXPENDITURES HAVE YOU SPENT ON MAINTAINING OR AT LEAST KEEPING THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE STABLE SINCE THAT 2014 DATE? I'M NOT SURE I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. WELL, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN LAND, OTHER THAN LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE ON THE LOT, PAYING WEEKLY AND BIWEEKLY MOWING AND WEEDING AROUND THE HOUSE. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE HOUSE TO UNDERSTAND, OH, OKAY. THIS WOULD COUNT. THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED, A LOT OF THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED. THE, THERE'S PHO DO YOU HAVE THE GREAT, DO YOU HAVE GOOD PHOTOS JUST FROM TERRANCE'S STUFF? RIGHT. SO I'VE GOT ADDITIONAL, MORE RECENT PHOTOS. AND THEN THE OLDER PHOTOS OF CLO YOU KNOW, CLOSEUPS, THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY AROUND THE TIME WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE. THAT FRONTAL THAT STAYS UP THERE. THE HOUSE WAS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY VEGETATION, VINES GROWING ALL AROUND IT. THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WE COULDN'T REALLY SEE. THERE'S A CORNER SHOT, BUT WE BUT AN INTERIOR SHOT. BRAD TOOK SOME INTERIOR SHOTS OF THE FOUNDATION LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO. AND I THINK THAT MAY BE IN TERRENCE'S RECORD. HOPEFULLY WE GOT IT IN TIME. SO DO WE, DO WE HAVE AN ENGINEER'S LETTER? OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE TWO OF 'EM. ONE FROM 2015 AND ONE FROM LAST. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY PACKET AS FAR AS I KNOW. TERRANCE, I GOT YOU. YOU CAN GET IT ANN, IT'S GO AHEAD. YEAH, SO STAFF MEMBER TERRANCE JACKSON. SO HE, HE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, UH, RECENTLY AND UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN'T SUPPLY NEW INFORMATION. SO, UM, I DID TELL HIM THAT IF HE HAD INFORMATION THAT HE WANTED TO BRING, THEN HE COULD BRING THAT INFORMATION AND SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT. GOT IT. SO THERE WAS NOTHING'S, I MEAN, SO THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING IN JUNE OF, SO ALL THIS ENGINEERING CONVERSATION, NOTHING [00:35:01] WAS PRESENTED TO THE HHAC. RIGHT. AND AT THE TIME WE, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE ENGINEERING LETTERS FROM 2015 'CAUSE HE WAS STILL LOOKING FOR THEM AT THE, AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. CAN, CAN WE REQUEST TO SEE THEM? I'M SORRY. LET ME, LET ME CORRECT TERRANCE ON THAT. THE COA ON FILE THAT TERRANCE SENT ME, INCLUDING THE LETTER FROM BRAD DOWRY IN 2015. THE WHOLE COA PACKAGE THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION HAD. HIS LETTER WAS IN THE COA TO JUSTIFY WHAT WE HAD TO DO AT THAT TIME. IT JUST, TERRENCE MISSED, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE BUSY, THEY'LL HAVE TO DIG BACK THROUGH THE RECORDS TO SEE IT. THAT LETTER EXISTED IN FRONT THAT THE COMMISSION ALSO HAS A, HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK BACK. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M JUST DOING A POINT OF ORDER A LITTLE BIT. NO PROBLEM. IF YOU, WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR IS TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION AT THAT CREATED THE DETERMINATION OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. WE CAN ONLY REALLY LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION. 'CAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT DID THEY MAKE THE PROPER DECISION OR THE CORRECT DECISION WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. IF IT'S APPLICABLE OR IF IT IS THE REFERENCE TO THE ORDINANCE IN THE PAST, IF THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH MORE OR A QUANT, A QUANTITY OF MORE NEW INFORMATION, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE PUNTED IT BACK DOWN TO THE HHC BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE A DETERMINATION ON ALL THE NEW INFORMATION. IF YOU HAVE A PREPONDERANCE OF NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU FEEL IS REFERENCED THAT THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BODY THAT MAKES THE DECISION BASED ON THAT INFORMATION. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. SO, AND I THINK HONESTY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. AND THEN WE, WE STRUGGLED TO MAKE, BECAUSE OF THE JUNE 18TH DEFERRAL, WE HAD JUNE 18TH TO JULY 20TH TO GET ALL THIS IN AND CRAM IT IN BEFORE THIS. OKAY. WHICH I THOUGHT WAS RELEVANT. LET ME SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND DOES, DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE AND I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. GOTCHA. THANK YOU SIR, FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. YOU BET. THANKS A LOT GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. SO IF A PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, IF A PROJECT RECEIVES A COA, UM, DOES ANY OF THAT INFORMATION IN A COA CARRY FORWARD OR DOES THE COA EXPIRE IN THE WHOLE PROCESS BEGINS ANEW. SO CO STAFF MEMBER CHANCE JACKSON COA IS ARE VALOR FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY EXPIRE. UM, THEY ARE PROLONGED IF A PERMIT IS PURCHASED AND RECEIVED AND YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP GOING. YES, SIR. YES SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. I BELIEVE THE, THE RULES HAVE ALSO CHANGED SINCE 2014 IN THE AREA THAT THIS IS IN. WELL, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE MADE, BUT YEAH. SO YES, EVERYTHING FALLS IN DESIGN GUIDELINES. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON MOVEMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM BY ANY BOARD MEMBER? I JUST, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER FROM A DISCUSSION STANDPOINT THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE THAT WITH THIS NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT TODAY, THAT THE HAHC IN MY OPINION, SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION. I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS FOUNDATION, ABOUT THIS HOUSE EVEN BEING ABLE TO STAND UP GOING FORWARD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE NEW INFORMATION. NOT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE RUNAROUND, BUT GET IT INTO THE RIGHT VENUE WHERE EVERYTHING CAN BE PRESENTED SUCH THAT YOU CAN GET A COMPREHENSIVE DECISION. LET ME ADD TO HIS, UH, COMMENT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ALL THE NEW INFORMATION? UM, I DO NOT HAVE. I KNOW LAST WE SPOKE, WE WERE, HE WAS WAITING ON, UM, UH, A FEW MORE QUOTES. UM, LIKE HE SAID, I DID FIND THE 2015 STAFF REPORT, SO THAT CAN NOW BE INCLUDED. UM, AND I, AND HE HAS SENT [00:40:01] SOME OTHER INFORMATION SINCE THEN. SO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE EVERYTHING, I AM SURE BEFORE, UH, THE NEXT, UH, HHC MEETING, WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. SO THE NEXT ONE THAT IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THE, IF, WHAT WOULD THE DEADLINE BE FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE? NOT, I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY AUGUST, BUT THE NEXT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME COMMISSION MEETING. WHAT WOULD THE DEADLINE BE FOR HIM TO PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HE IS WANTING TO ADD THAT HE HAS DISCUSSED IN THIS MEETING SO THAT YOU CAN PER PROCESS AND, AND GET IT ON AN AGENDA, UM, ACCORDING TO A STAFF, STAFF MEMBER DAILY ON, UM, IT WILL BE JULY, EXCUSE ME, JULY 30TH. SO JULY 30TH FOR WHICH, WHICH HHC MEETING FOR AUGUST. OKAY. HHC MEETING. UH, JUST NOD, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY OF GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION TO TERRENCE PRIOR TO JULY 30TH FOR YES, SIR. BUT FOR WHAT WE HAVE NOW, THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE UNLESS I SEARCH THE WORLD OVER FOR MORE STONE MASONS FOR MORE BIDS, REALISTIC BIDS. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. BUT YOU BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT SEEN BY THE HHC. CORRECT. SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS GET YOU TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE HHC AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, DO YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS? OH YEAH. WE CAN TO PROVIDE TO TERRANCE. YES. AND BEFORE JULY 30TH WOULD BE BEST THAN JULY 30TH BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PAPERWORK. YES. I, I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. SO, SO, SO YEAH, JUST A YES OR NO. CAN YOU GET IT TO BY JULY 30? YES, WE CAN DO THAT. YES. OKAY. AND THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, I THINK IS YES. RIGHT. THE ENGINEER'S REPORTS WILL BE THERE. UM, AND A DETAILED DRAWING OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, WHICH WOULD BE A CONCRETE PERIMETER BEAM, MORE THAN LIKELY UNSUPPORTED BY BELL BOTTOM PIERS. AND SO AN ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION OF INSTALLING BELL BOTTOM PIERS AROUND. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE BOTH OF THOSE. ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. AND THAT WOULD ASSIST COURSE ASSIST YOU WITH YOUR ARGUMENT RIGHT BEFORE HHAC BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ENGINEER'S INFORMATION AT ALL IN THEIR PRESENTATION IN JUNE. LET ME REITERATE, WE DON'T BY ARCHITECT, WE DON'T REALLY NEED WITH RESPECT, SIR. WHAT WE'LL SEE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, THE ARCHITECT AND ESSENTIALLY TERRENCE SAID, OH, THE MEETING'S COMING UP. DO I NEED TO BE THERE? NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. WE'VE GOT THIS. WE WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT WE'RE GONNA GET THIS TO GET THIS CONVERSION. SO THAT'S ANOTHER, WELL, THAT'S MY MISTAKE. YEAH. BUT I KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S QUITE UNUSUAL TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE STAFF RECOMMENDS SOMETHING FOR APPROVAL AND THEN THE COMMISSION GOES IN THIS WAY. I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS A QUITE A UNIQUE SITUATION AND SO I I I I'VE EMPATHIZE WITH YOU ON, ON THAT. LIKE, NOT SCRAMBLING IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO, I COULD TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BEING IN THAT POSITION, BUT NOW THAT THE RESULTS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH FOR YOU IS UNFORTUNATE. I I REALLY EMPATHIZE WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT, UM, IF NEW ENGINEERING INFORMATION COULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU WITH THEM, UM, MAYBE THAT'S A MORE, UH, APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO, I THINK IS RIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. WHAT? OKAY, GO AHEAD. OH, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, I, I FEEL BAD FOR YOUR SITUATION. YOU'VE HAD A HOUSE FOR 12 YEARS, UM, RIGHT. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE SPENT ON DOING SOMETHING WITH IT. UM, SO NOT TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S ONE OF MY PET PEEVES. BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS HELPFUL TO, UM, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE THAT COULD STRENGTHEN YOUR ARGUMENT, UM, ARE YOU NOT OPTIMISTIC THAT THAT WILL HELP STRENGTHEN YOUR ARGUMENT? IS THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE VIDEOS OF THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, YOU MIGHT NOT BE OPTIMISTIC. I, I, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL THING I WILL SAY IS THAT ANY OF YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STONE ON THE REAR ELEVATION, BECAUSE YOUR ADDITION IS GOING TO KNOCK OUT, IT'S REALLY NOT VALID TO THE, TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS RELEVANT TO PRESERVING THE HOUSE. COMMENT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. OKAY. THANKS GUYS. THANK YOU. THANKS. UH, I WILL SAY ONE MORE THING. MM-HMM . IT, I WOULD SAY IT'S AS A COMM, AS A APPEALS BOARD, IT'S ALSO YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO BUCK. I ALREADY STATED, I ALREADY STATED THAT. SO WE RIGHT. [00:45:01] WE DON'T I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. RIGHT. I'M AN, I'M AN OLD EXXONMOBIL GUY AND BELIEVE ME, THE BUCK STOPS WHERE IT STOPS. ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YEAH. THANKS GUYS. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER ADMINISTER, UH, THAT WE REMAND THIS BACK TO THE HAHC DUE TO THE, UH, QUANTITY AND NEW INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THAT BODY. I, I'LL SECOND THAT. AND IT'S NOT IN A KICK. THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, UH, STATE, IT'S MAYBE THAT HELPS YOU AND THEN IF YOU GET IN THE SAME SITUATION, YOU CAN COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN, WE CAN USE THAT IN, WE CAN VIEW THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR ARGUMENT. SOMETHING. YEAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. M ADMINISTER. AYE. E. AYE. KELMAN AYE. AND I'M THE CHAIR. I WILL ALSO SAY, AYE. I, UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOLLOWED BY HPAB MEMBER COMMENTS I CALL FOR ADJOURNMENT OF THIS MEETING. THANK YOU GUYS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.