* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on December 11, 2025.] [00:00:15] GOOD AFTERNOON. IT IS NOW 2 38. THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11TH, 2025. UH, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION. HAHC IS CALLED TO ORDER. I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK. UM, TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM, I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. UM, COMMISSIONER JONES. I DO NOT SEE COMMISSIONER CARL SMITH PRESENT. COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAKELY PRESENT. WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN MOVING SEATS, SO I'M LOOKING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER HILL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER DEL PRESENT, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MARK SMITH IS AB OH, YOU'RE HERE. OKAY, GOOD. SO, COMMISSIONER BROWNING PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER BROBECK IS, UH, DEPARTING A PLANE AND IS GONNA TRY TO JOIN THE MEETING. SO HE, HE WILL BE JOINING US. COMMISSIONER GARCIA PRESENT, COMMISSIONER DAVIS PRESENT, AND ALSO OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UH, ROBERT WILLIAMSON PRESENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, AS PART OF MY CHAIR'S REPORT, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY READ THE SPEAKER RULES. UM, THIS, THE MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. MEETING START A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME TO ALLOW THE HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE. UH, SPEAKERS, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER FORMS, UH, BEFORE THE ITEM IS CALLED AND TURN IT INTO THE STAFF NEAR THE FRONT DOOR. UM, THE SPEAKER RULES ARE POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND ARE AT MY DISCRETION AT THIS MEETING. APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES. I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES. WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK. PLEASE NOTE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER STAFF'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL OUR, UM, WE'VE, UM, HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE BOTH FROM THE PUBLIC AND STAFF. AND WITH THAT, UM, I WILL TURN THIS OVER FOR THE, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU CHAIR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I'M ROBERT WILLIAMSON, ACTING SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION, AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. FROM OUR REPORT TODAY, I JUST HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS NOW. FIRST I WANNA INTRODUCE, UH, ARVA HOWARD AND MATTHEW MENDOZA. OUR NEW, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE CITY. THEY'LL BE JOINING US TODAY. UM, SECOND, THIS YEAR'S HOUSTON LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT RATIFICATIONS PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 3RD BEFORE CITY COUNCIL HAD TO BE RESCHEDULED. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ON THE JANUARY 7TH AGENDA CALENDAR, AND THE REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICE WILL BE PROVIDED TO CONFIRM, CONFIRM THAT DATE. ONCE WE RECEIVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THAT MEETING, COUNCIL WILL THEN VOTE ON THE INDIVIDUAL SUBMISSIONS OF THE NEXT MEETING. SECOND, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT TO PRESENT. THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER 12TH, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING COMMENTS AND MAKING ANY FINAL REVISIONS BEFORE THOSE GUIDELINES ARE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION IN JANUARY. FINALLY, STAFF HAS COMPLETED A NEW INTERNAL POLICY REGARDING WINDOW REPLACEMENT. SPECIFICALLY VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT WINDOW IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS THEY DO NOT MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE AND ARCHITECTURAL AUTHENTICITY OF PROPERTIES DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. A LINK TO THAT POLICY HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE TITLED INTERNAL POLICIES ENC CLOSING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT TODAY. AND SO I WILL MOVE ON NEXT TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE NOVEMBER 6TH, UH, 2025, UM, HAHC MEETINGS, MEETING MINUTES. IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, MR. COSGROVE? THERE'S ONE CORRECTION THAT THE CHAIR'S REPORT WAS GIVEN BY DAVID, BUT ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS ON THE MINUTES? AND IF, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? SO MOVED. COSGROVE MOTIONS. [00:05:01] IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. HE'LL SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAIN? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON. UM, TO ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON REFERRAL TO TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR COMMERCE STREET, WAREHOUSE, HOUSTON, UM, EXCUSE ME, COMMERCE STREET, WAREHOUSE, HISTORIC DISTRICT, HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS, ROUGHLY BOUNDED BY CRAWFORD ON THE NORTHWEST ROWE STREET ON THE NORTHEAST. THE REAR PROPERTY LINES ALONG UNIVER UNIVER STREET ON THE SOUTHEAST AND FRANKLIN STREET ON THE SOUTHWEST. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON. I SUBMIT ITEM A FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE NOMINATION TO THE REGISTER OF NA, UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR THE COMMERCE STREET WAREHOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE COMMERCE STREET WAREHOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, BETWEEN THE SOUTH BANK OF BUFFALO BAYOU AND THE FORMER LOCATION OF HOUSTON'S UNION STATION AND RAIL YARDS. THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY DISCOVERY OF OIL AND THE EXPANSION OF THE PORT OF HOUSTON SUPPORTED THE GROWTH OF HOUSTON'S ECONOMY, AS WELL AS THE BROADER DEVELOPMENT OF THE WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT RAIL RAILROAD CONNECTIVITY AND PROXIMITY TO THE HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL ALLOWED FOR THE RISE IN EVOLUTION OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES CONCENTRATED ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH BANKS OF BUFFALO BAYOU. THE COMMERCE STREET WAREHOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOMINATED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES UNDER CRITERION A IN THE AREA OF COMMERCE FOR ITS IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION OF HOUSTON THROUGH THE MID TO LATE 20TH CENTURY. THE RARE INTACT HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT MAKE UP THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SERVE AS THE LAST REMAINING CONCENTRATION OF THE ONES NUMEROUS WAREHOUSES AND MANUFACTURING FACILITIES AND RELATED BUSINESSES THAT HISTORICALLY ALIGNED THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUFFALO BAYOU. THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ALSO NOMINATED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER UNDER CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF, OF ARCHITECTURE FOR ITS INTACT COLLECTION OF EARLY TO MID 20TH CENTURY BRICK, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. REPRESENTING THE EVOLUTION OF INDUSTRIAL ARCHITECTURE AND THE INFLUENCE OF POPULAR STYLES, PROMINENT ARCHITECTS DESIGNED THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT INCLUDE ALBERT ZIMMERMAN, ALFRED FINN, JW NORTHUP JR. AND MARIE SULLIVAN. THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE BEGINS IN 1910 WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE EARLIEST INTACT RESOURCE AND ENDS IN 1975. AND RECOGNITION OF THE DISTRICT'S CONTINUING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE THROUGH THE 50 YEAR POINT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HAAC REFER THE NOMINATION OF THE COMMERCE STREET WAREHOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE DHC FOR, FOR LISTING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SAMANTHA. UM, UH, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST FOR A MOMENT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. NOT HEARING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, IS THIS A VOTE THAT, OR JUST THIS IS JUST INFORMATION, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT A NATURAL REGISTRY DISTRICT BE CREATED, WHICH IS, UM, OUTSIDE OF OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSTON, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A FEDERAL DESIGNATION WITH NO PROTECTION. THIS IS NOT FOR A, FOR A CITY OF HOUSTON HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO LANDMARKS, UH, THAT WE'VE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS FOR, UM, THE FOR REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS IS A DISTRICT INSTEAD OF A SINGULAR PROPERTY. OKAY. BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY VOTING, UH, TO PREFER THIS OR WE'RE JUST, IT'S JUST MORE OF INFORMATION FOR US TO KNOW AND ADD. ANY COMMENTS? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAD ANY COMMENTS, BUT, UH, IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE A VOTE WHERE, UH, WE, YOU GUYS ESSENTIALLY APPROVE FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS, TO GO TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, OR AT LEAST TELLING THE THC THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE OF THIS NOMINATION. SAMANTHA, CAN I SAY? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO, BECAUSE WE'RE CLG, THEY LET US KNOW AND MAKE US AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE ARE NO LOCAL RESTRICTIONS. I, I DO NOT BELIEVE A VOTE IS NEEDED. THIS IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THIS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY AND WHETHER YOU SUPPORT IT OR NOT, BUT I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE VOTE IS NEEDED. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? UM, I, I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE, THIS OCCURRING. I ALSO WANNA DISCLOSE THAT I RENT A SPACE IN ONE OF THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS MY, FOR MY OFFICE. SO IF THAT MATTERS, BUT, UM, THEY, THEY ARE, UM, SOME VERY INTERESTING BUILDINGS. UH, THEY, THERE'S A RANGE OF PERIOD OF DIFFERENT PERIODS OF, [00:10:01] OF IT. AND, UM, MANY OF THESE BUILDINGS RECEIVED SIDEWALKS IN AROUND 2004 WHEN THE BASEBALL PARK WAS BUILT, BECAUSE BEFORE THAT THERE WERE JUST SERIES OF, UM, RAIL, UM, RAIL LINES RUNNING THROUGH THE STREET. AND THERE WAS JUST BASICALLY TRAIN CARS JUST SITTING ALL OVER THE STREET. AND YOU'D HAVE TO KIND OF WEAVE AROUND THE CAR TRAIN CARS TO GET TO EVEN TO, TO BE IF YOU WERE IN A, IN A CAR FOR INSTANCE. SO IT'S, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE EARLIEST RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN OUR CITY. WHEN THE FIRST CITY WAS FIRST FORMED, THIS WAS THE VERY EARLY 1830S, THIS WAS A PLACE THAT WAS, UM, MANY, THE INITIAL HOUSTONIANS LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT CAME, BECAME THIS KIND OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UM, ZONE AROUND 1880 TO 1900 FOR MANY OF THESE BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SAMANTHA. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. SO TERRANCE, WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM B. THIS IS FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, ONE OR MORE ITEMS MAY BE TAKEN IN A MOTION AS CONSENT ITEMS. AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE CONSENT ITEMS. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC. I'M STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON, AND TODAY'S STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION, I PRESENT ITEMS B 2 12 18 COURTLAND STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ITEM B 8 9 0 7 FRANKLIN STREET, ALTERATION OF A SIGN, AWNING, AND OR CANOPY IN THE MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE. THIS IS A DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR. ITEM B 9 2 6 1 1 HOPKINS STREET ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN THE AVONDALE WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM B 11 2,000,007 CANNE STREET, ALTERATION OF A PORCH OR BALCONY IN THE OLD SIXTH WARD. HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM B12 7 7 1 8, GLEN BRAY STREET ALTERATION WINDOWS IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AND ITEM B 13 3 6 0 5 DEL MONTE DRIVE ALTERATION OF WINDOWS AND IT'S A LANDMARK OF THE SMITH ANDERSON HOUSE. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE PROCEEDING. ITEMS, ITEMS PROPOSED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, THEREFORE ARE ITEM B ONE B THREE, B FOUR, B FIVE, B SIX, B SEVEN, AND B 10. WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, TERRY. SO I WILL JUST STATE THE ITEM NUMBERS FOR THE CON PROPOSED CONSENT AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER NINE, NUMBER 11, 12 AND 13. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY, UH, OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'D LIKE, UM, OR ANY, ANY OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS YOU'D LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS AND CONSIDERATION? REQUEST B TWO. OKAY. AND BROWNING? REQUEST TO PULL B12. OKAY. B EIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER REQUEST FROM COMMISSION? OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST MENTION IF ANYONE IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THESE ITEMS, AND YOU, UM, DIFFER WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND WHAT, WHAT PROJECT THAT WOULD INVOLVE. OKAY. AND WE, WE HAVE PULLED THAT. IT'S BEEN PULLED. EVERYONE I HAVE THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM IS FOR A DIFFERENT ITEM THAN THE CONSENT ITEM. SO, UM, OKAY. SO WHAT TERRANCE WHAT I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON CONSENT ITEMS. NINE, 11, AND 13. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. HOLD ON. OKAY. BUT THAT'S, YEAH. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA? [00:15:01] UM, AND FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS NINE, 11 AND 13. SO MOVED. MOTIONS. IS THERE SECOND? A SECOND. GARCIA GARCIA SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO, UM, UH, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. AND I DO WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT THE CHAIR, UM, WILL, I WILL EXCUSE MYSELF FOR ITEM NUMBER 5 3 4 5 8 INWOOD DRIVE. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. SO, UM, AT THAT TIME, UM, UH, THE VICE CHAIR WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THE MEETING. TERRANCE, PLEASE PROCEED. ALRIGHTY, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON, AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM B ONE AT 2 4 1 1 RIVER OAKS BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 8,426 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE RESIDENCE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOUSED THAT IS SITUATED ON A TWENTY THREE HUNDRED SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. THE MODERN ERNEST LS SCHUL, JOHN B. CONLEY JR. HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1959 BY HOUSTON ARCHITECT ERNEST L SCHUTT, AS IN AS HIS OWN RESIDENCE. THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNATED AS A CITY LANDMARK IN 2011. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RENOVATE AND REMODEL THE EXISTING, THE REMODEL, THE EXISTING AND NON-ORIGINAL PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE. THE REMODEL CONSISTS OF A 625 SQUARE FOOT LOGIA AT THE FIRST FLOOR, A 1,615 SQUARE FOOT OF SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, AND 468 SQUARE FOOT OF SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY 9,668 SQUARE FOOT DUE TO THE, DUE TO THE POOL HOUSE. AND THE PROPOSED TOTAL WILL BE 11,283 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE AND REPLACE EXISTING AND NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS. REMOVE AND REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH AN APPROPRIATE DOOR. REMOVE AND REPLACE THE FOUR PANEL DOOR AT THE KITCHEN AND THE REPLACEMENT DOOR WILL BE TALLER THAN DOOR, WILL BE TALLER THAN THE EXISTING, DEMOLISH THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL COLUMNS AND CONSTRUCT A COVERED LOGIA AND BALCONY AT THE NORTH FACADE. INSTALL NEW DOORS AT THE, ON THE PROPOSED SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY EDITION AT THE POOL HOUSE CONSTRUCT. CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY EDITION OVER THE EXISTING GARAGE, MATCHING THE EXISTING PARA OF PITT HEIGHT, DEMOLISHED THE ONE CAR AND TWO CAR GARAGE DOORS AND REPLACED HIM WITH THREE INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS. CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY EDITION OVER THE EXISTING POOL HOUSE, REMOVE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL AWNINGS AND DEMOLISH, UH, EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SKYLIGHTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED ALTERATION EDITION CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE HHC. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, TERRENCE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM, BUT IF, IF ANYONE IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE. SO I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, UH, ABOUT THIS, THIS APPLICATION? TERRANCE, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, APPROVAL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITION ALTERATION. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION MOTION FROM C SMITH TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION? THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? CUT. HILL SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO. OKAY, THAT WAS EASY. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS ONCE AGAIN, TERRENCE JACKSON. UH, I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM B TWO AT 1218 CORTLAND STREET. THE A T CONTRIBUTING STYLE L PLAN, QUEEN AND RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED IN CIRCA 1910, LOCATED IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,367 [00:20:01] SQUARE FOOT, ONE-STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT THE, AND A ATTACHED GARAGE SITUATED ON A 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN ALTERATION ADDITION. UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THE NON-ORIGINAL REAR EDITION OF 317 SQUARE FEET TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO BE BUILT FIRST FLOOR AT 968 SQUARE FEET, SECOND FLOOR, 885 SQUARE FEET, TOTALING 18 53 3 18, 1,853 SQUARE FEET. EXCUSE ME, THE HIGHEST RIDGE HEIGHT WILL BE 29 FEET, 10 INCHES WITH A 10 OVER 12 ROOF PITCH AND COMPOSITION SHINGLES AND CEMENTITIOUS SIDING. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE'S RIDGE HEIGHT IS 20 FEET NINE AND A HALF INCHES. UH, WOOD WINDOWS TO BE INSET, RECESSED, DOUBLE HUNG WITH ONE OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERN. THE GARAGE WILL HAVE A, I'M SORRY, THAT PLEASE STRIKE THAT. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. UH, THE CONDITION BEING THAT THE SCALLOP SIDING AT THE GABLE OF THE ADDITION HAVE A SLIGHT DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE SCALLOP SIDING ON THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE HHC I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, TERRANCE. UM, CAN I ALWAYS, CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? YES, SIR. UH, SO JUST FOR CONTEXT AND FUTURE AND REFERENCE, UM, THIS PROJECT IS HERE IN FRONT OF US AGAIN BECAUSE IT WASN'T APPROVED COA BACK IN JULY, 2023, I BELIEVE. AND BECAUSE COAS ARE ONLY BALLOR FOR TWO YEARS, THEY'RE BRINGING THE SAME EXACT PROJECT BACK FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU TERRANCE. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, BUT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 2 12 18 COURT AND STREET IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HEARING, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ALSO GONNA RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER BROBE BROBECK HAS, HAS, HAS JOINED, HAS JOINED THE MEETING COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS APPLICATION? UH, I HAD A COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY. UM, OKAY. NOW THAT I KNOW THAT IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, UM, TWO YEARS AGO, I FEEL THAT PROBABLY THIS IS NOT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT, UM, CRITERION EIGHT, THAT THE ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS MUST BE DONE IN A MANNER THAT IF REMOVED WOULD LEAVE UNIMPAIRED THE ESSENTIAL FORM AND INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND ALSO I'M JUST OBSERVING THAT QUITE A BIT OF ROOFING MATERIAL SEEMS TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL PART, UH, BY THE ADDITION. SO CAN YOU COMMENT ON THOSE TWO ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT? UH, YEAH. SO, UM, SORRY. UH, YEAH. SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE ROOFING, AND I MAY NEED TO REF REFERENCE YOUR OTHER COMMENT, BUT AS FAR AS THE ROOFING IS CONCERNED, UM, A LOT OF THE, UH, WHAT YOU SEE IF YOU GO TO PAGE 12, UM, A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE A NON-ORIGINAL EDITION. UM, WHICH YOU MAY SEE ALSO ON THE PHOTOS. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT A APPLE GUY. DON'T, DON'T CONDEMN ME FOR THAT. YEAH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE, IF YOU GO TO PAGE SIX, SIX OF 21, YOU WILL SEE THAT A NON-ORIGINAL EDITION IS BEING DEMOLISHED. SO THAT WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE AFFECTED. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A SHED ROOF ON THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH IS IN THE REAR. AND STAFF DIDN'T NECESSARILY FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY BEING AT CENTER REAR. AND IT'S HIDDEN BEHIND THE EXISTING RIDGE HEIGHT. UM, SO WE, THAT'S, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. AS FAR AS, UH, CRITERION NUMBER EIGHT, UM, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, KIND OF THE SAME THING. STAFF FELT THAT SINCE THIS WAS, UM, NON-ORIGINAL ADDITION, THAT IT WAS FINE FOR THAT TO BE DEMOLISHED. UM, WE DO FEEL THAT WITH THE INDENTION THAT THEY PROVIDED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME, UM, THAT IT DOES, UH, PAY HOMAGE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THAT THEY DO NOT ENCROACH UPON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ENOUGH TO, UH, HAVE AN EFFECT. BUT GOING BACK TO CRITERION EIGHT, WE DO BELIEVE THAT IF REMOVED IT COULD BE, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, STILL BE A, UH, YOU COULD STILL RECOGNIZE IT AS A CONTRIBUTING HOME. HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. [00:25:01] THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. SEIDEL? WHAT, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR WANTING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO GABLE SCALLOP SIDING? UH, SO THAT'S A CRITERIA IN THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND THIS IS A PROJECT IN THE HEIGHTS THAT THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENT, THERE IS A DIFFERENTIATION IN THE ADDITION AND THE, UM, AND THE, AND THE PROPOSED EDITION, UH, I MEAN, AND THE CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE. UM, STAFF ORIGINALLY WAS ASKING THAT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A SIGHTING LIKE THEY DID AT THE REAR. BUT AFTER MEETING WITH, UH, AFTER HAVING A DESIGN REVIEW WITH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, WE DECIDED IF THEY JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTIATED THE DIFFERENCE OF THE SCALLOPS, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON 1218 COURTLAND. OKAY, GOOD. I'LL SECOND. I I'VE GOT IT. COMMISSIONER HILL. UM, MOTION SIDE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ON. ITEM THREE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBER. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, STAFF MEMBER YASMINE ARSLAN. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR, UM, I'M SORRY, I HAVE THE WRONG SCRIPT. OKAY, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ITEM B THREE AT THE, UH, 5 0 5 T HORN STREET LOT 15 BLOCK 24. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,269 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY, WHICH FRAME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 6,365 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN RESIDENCE. CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1915. LOCATED IN THE HI WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 2,692 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY EDITION, ADDING 698 SQUARE FEET TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND 1,994 SQUARE FEET TO THE SECOND WITH AN ATTACHED TWO STORY GARAGE. THE MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE 31 FEET AND 10 INCHES, AND THE EVE HEIGHT WILL BE 23 FEET AND SIX INCHES. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, EXCUSE ME, REPLACED FRONT PORCH. EXISTING WOOD STEPS WITH BRICK. REPLACE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH APPROPRIATE NEW FRONT DOOR, NO CHANGE IN SIZE OR OPENING. REPLACE EXISTING WOOD COLUMNS WITH NEW WOOD SQUARE COLUMNS. EXISTING WOOD SIDING IS TO REMAIN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE FOLLOWING TO THE ADDITION THAT IT BE CLAD IN ARTISAN FIVE AND A HALF INCH SHRI REVEAL FIBER, SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS HARDY SIDING. THE ADDITION WILL HAVE A SEVEN OVER 12 PITCH THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING ROOF. IT WILL HAVE A 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST LEVEL ADDITION AND A CEILING HEIGHT OF NINE FOR THE SECOND LEVEL. ADDITION STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, FRONT WALL IS PUSHED TWO FEET TO THE BACK. STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION C ATTACHMENT A, AND UM, ALSO RECEIVED, UM, A LETTER OF OPPOSITION FROM THE WOODLAND WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UH, CIVIC ASSOCIATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY. SO AFTER THE DEADLINE, AND THEREFORE IT WAS NOT POSTED INTO, UM, ON DRAFT, BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED INTO PUBLIC RECORDS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, YASMINE. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM WHEN THAT'S SAM. DO YOU KNOW, SAM, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD? RECORD. UH, HELLO. SAM NUIS CREO DESIGN. UM, THIS, UH, WE WORKED REAL HARD WITH YASMINE TO GET THIS, UH, HOPEFULLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND, UH, WE, WE MET ACTUALLY THIS PAST MONDAY AND ENDED UP PUSHING THE SECOND FLOOR BACK ANOTHER TWO FEET IN ORDER TO GET IT IN IN COMPLIANCE. I HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF OTHER HOUSES OR, OR DRAWINGS OF OTHER HOUSES THAT WE'VE DONE WITHIN A THREE BLOCK RADIUS OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN. AND I JUST WANNA SHOW THOSE TO YOU GUYS, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY. DOCUMENT CAMERA, PLEASE. THIS IS THE HOUSE AT, AT, UM, THIS IS A HOUSE AT 5 25 WOODLAND THAT WAS PASSED [00:30:01] BY THE COMMISSION. UM, UH, IT, UH, IT IS APPROXIMATE. IT IS THIRTY SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE SQUARE FEET. HERE'S A HOUSE THAT WAS PASSED BY THE COMMISSION, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO. I THINK IT WAS MAYBE THREE. IT'S 41 93 SQUARE FEET. HERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE AT, AT 3 0 9 BAILIN THAT WAS PASSED ON CONSENT AGENDA. UH, AND IT'S 4,022 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS A HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR AND IT'S 3090 SQUARE FEET. THIS WAS A CUSTOM HOUSE FOR THE END USER, AND SO THAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY WANTED. THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE THAN THAT, SO I DREW IT CUSTOM FOR THEM. AND THEN THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY. IT'S 39 31. SO THERE, IF YOU LAY ALL THOSE TOGETHER, IT'S HARD TO FIND THE ONE THAT'S THAT'S IN QUESTION TODAY. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WORKED REAL HARD WITH YASMEEN, UH, AS, AS EARLY AS LAST MONDAY TO GET THIS ON, ON THE CONSENT. WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET Y'ALL, UH, VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SAM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SO PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF. YES, SAM, THERE IS A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY HAS A QUESTION. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE. SO ON, UH, PAGE 17 SHOWS US THE PLANS AND PAGE 18 SHOWS US A ROOF PLAN. UM, I AM A BIT LITTLE BIT ALARMED BY HOW THE, THE NEW PART SORT OF ENCROACHES ON THE EXISTING, BUT, UM, I THINK THE PLAN, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE NEW PART IS ALMOST TAKING OVER HALF OF THE ROOF. UH, AND THE ELEVATIONS AND THE ROOF PLAN SHOW THAT IT'S BEEN PULLED BACK. SO THERE'S MORE LIKE A THIRD OF THE EXISTING ROOF, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL CURRENT, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY 70% BACK ON THE, FROM THE FRONT WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. OKAY. CURRENTLY OKAY. WITH THE TWO FOOT THAT I NEED TO THE DRAWINGS I THINK YOU HAVE, IS THAT RIGHT OR NOT? I'M, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I'M SORRY BECAUSE WE MET LATE LAST WEEK. LATE, LATE, THIS NOT LATE, BUT KIND OF LATE TO THE PROCESS. UM, I GUESS I, I UPLOADED MOST OF THE DRAWINGS AND PUT THEM, BUT I THINK I MISSED ONE. SO THAT IS, THAT, THAT IS PROBABLY MY MISTAKE. HE REVISED THE DRAWINGS. UM, AND THE ONLY ONE MISSING WE THOUGHT, LIKE WE STILL WANNA PUSH IT TWO FEET TO THE BACK. SO THE, THE WHY IT DOESN'T MATCH IS, IS MY, MY FAULT. SO I APOLOGIZE. I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT ON THE ACTION REPORT. BUT, UM, IF YOU WANNA VERIFY AND SHOW THAT ON THE, SO SHE, SHE LOOKS AT THE RIGHT FLOOR PLAN. YEAH, I MEAN, WHICH, WHICH SHEET ARE YOU LOOKING AT? PAGE 17. OH, I DON'T HAVE THAT. I HAVE THE, I HAVE MY PLANS SITE PLAN. UM, COULD, COULD WE PUT IT UP HERE? WHAT IS IT? SEVEN. OKAY. IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT? RIGHT THERE? THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'VE JUST PROPOSED, BUT THE, THE THAT'S RIGHT. PREVIOUS PAGE, UH, ON THAT PAGE, THE, THE ROOF SEEMS TO YEAH, THE PREVIOUS PAGE, YOU SEE WHERE THOSE CONDENSING UNITS ARE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. HOW THAT BUMPS OUT RIGHT THERE. UH, YOU SEE WHERE THE TWO AC UNITS ARE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THERE. WE STRAIGHTENED THAT WALL OUT AND ELIMINATED THAT BUMP OUT RIGHT THERE. DO YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THAT? YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I, YEAH, MAYBE I DO SEE HERE. YEAH, IT NOW LOOKS LIKE DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. DOOR RIGHT HERE, SAM. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE. WE BUBBLED IT. OKAY. THAT WHOLE SPACE THAT'S BUBBLED WAS PUSHED BACK TWO FEET AND IS IS PULLED IN ALSO. SO SAM, THE, NOT THE ENTIRE LINE WAS PUSHED BACK TWO FEET, JUST THE PART ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT WAS BUT FORWARD, CORRECT? IS THAT, NO, THE ENTIRE FRONT WAS PUSHED BACK TWO FEET AS WELL AS THAT LEFT SIDE PULLED IN ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK DISCREPANCY WAS IN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS IN THE REPORT. IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE. IT'S, IT'S FURTHER FORWARD, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT'S KIND OF STEP STEPPING. YEAH, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AN OLDER PLAN, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU SEE HOW THE STRAIGHT LINE IS HERE? YES. AND IT'S STRAIGHT THERE NOW. THERE'S NO LONGER THAT BUMP OUT HERE. AND AT ONE TIME EARLY ON THERE WAS A BUMP OUT HERE. 'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO USE THAT FRONT ADDED SPACE. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION. AND SO MY QUESTION THEN FOR YASMINE IS DOES THIS DRAWING ON THE DOCUMENT SCREEN REFLECT YOUR PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION OF, OF BEING TWO FEET BACK? QUESTION AS LONG AS IT'S PUSHED BACK ONE MORE FOOT. [00:35:01] RIGHT. TWO. WE SAID TWO. TWO OR TWO COLORS. SO, SO, SO THE CONDITION IS THAT HE STILL NEEDS TO PUSH IT TWO FEET. OKAY. TO THE, TO THE, SO SO THAT ENCROACHMENT ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WILL BE TWO FEET SMALLER? I MEAN, NOT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH. SO WHAT HE SENT WAS, WAS HE DID CHANGE DRAWINGS, BUT HE DIDN'T CHANGE IT TO WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE. AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS A CONDITION, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE UPDATED. BUT THE SITE PLAN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY I HATE LAST MINUTE THINGS. SO IT'LL LOOK LIKE WHAT WE SEE, BUT IT JUST BE PUSHED BACK TWO FEET. YES, THAT IS THE CONDITION WHICH HE SAID HE AGREES WITH TOO. OKAY. SO ON ON PAGE 20 OF OUR PACKET, WHICH SHOWS THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE. IS THAT ACCURATE OR IS THAT BEFORE A FURTHER ADJUSTMENT? THAT'S, THAT WAS PUSHED BACK ONE FOOT. OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT BACK AN ADDITIONAL FOOT. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE HAD AGREED TO TWO FEET, BUT WE WERE IN SUCH A RUSH TO GET IT BACK TO YASMINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. MY GUY DID ONE FOOT AND WHEN SHE LOOKED AT IT, SHE SAID, YOU SAID, I SAID TWO. I SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE AND WE'LL PUSH IT BACK. AND SO YES, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE PUSHED BACK FROM THAT POINT. THAT'S WHY THAT'S, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HILL? I HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE 15. ON THE EXISTING HOUSE, THERE APPEARS TO BE A WINDOW AT THE BACK THAT'S BEING ELIMINATED ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, ON THE TOP DRAWING THE FURTHEST TO THE RIGHT AND IT'S BEING ELIMINATED. IS THAT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW? UH, NO, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ANY ORIGINAL WINDOWS. I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. WE, WE NEVER DO THAT. SO NO, WE WOULD NOT ELIMINATE ORIGINAL WINDOW. SO IT'S THE WINDOW IN THE UPPER DRAWING, THE UPPER OTHER EXISTING? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WINDOW'S NOT THERE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, SO SAM, YOUR POSITION IS THAT WINDOW SHOWN IN THE EXISTING SHOULD ALSO BE SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED, TALKED ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I MEAN IT, UH, WE DON'T EVER REMOVE WINDOWS IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. WE KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. SO MAYBE MY GUY MISSED IT. SO THAT WINDOW'S GONNA REMAIN? YES. PERHAPS THAT COULD BE A CONDITION TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. AT THE RISK OF MAKING A PREMATURE MOTION, I THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THIS TO, UH, NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA JUST SO THAT WE CAN BE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMPLETE AND CORRECT DOC SET. IT MAKES ME NERVOUS TO THINK THAT, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION MIGHT VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS AN INCOMPLETE AND INCORRECT DOCUMENT SET. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. WE DEFER. UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WANT AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. SURE. WELL, I, UM, I NEED A SECOND, BUT I, I WOULD ASK YOU ASK ME THIS QUESTION, THE MAY I EXPLAIN? SURE. OKAY. SO EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE, BUT THE SITE PLAN, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVEN'T REPLACED. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ACCURATE. UM, WE JUST SAW THE WINDOW AND SO, AND SO WE CAN ADD A COMMISSION IF THEY WISH, CAN ADD A CONDITION TO RETAIN, UM, THAT WINDOW. AND SO THE PROCESSES, WHEN THEY, THEY FIX THE DRAWINGS, SEND IT FOR US FOR APPROVAL, AND THEN WHEN THEY GO TO PERMITTING FOR PROJECT DOCS, WE GO IN AND STAMP THE DRAWINGS AND MAKE SURE IT, THAT WE TAKE OUR TIME STAMPING THE DRAWINGS TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT, THAT THEY MATCH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, HAHC HAS MADE. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE, THERE'S STILL A SUBTLE ADJUSTMENT TO BE, TO BE MADE. IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A SMALL AMOUNT MOVING BACK ON THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE GONNA VERIFY HAPPENS TO YOUR SATISFACTION. SO YES, THE SECOND, AND SO AS FAR AS, UM, I KNOW TYPICALLY WE NEED TO SEE DRAWINGS THAT ARE REVISED TO REFLECT WHAT WE'RE SEEING. UM, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A POLICY OF IF IT'S MOVING SOMETHING BACK A FEW FEET THAT WE CAN DEFINE THE FEED AS A CONDITION. UM, AND THAT IS BEEN AN ACCEPTED AND THE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE APPEALS BOARD ALSO ACCEPTS THAT, THAT TYPE OF CONDITION. UM, SO, SO THE APPROACH FOR STAFF IS IF WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON IT, WE WILL. AND THEN IF IT'S THREE CONDITIONS AND MORE, THEN THAT, THEN THAT'S A LOT. IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE A RE REDESIGN. AND, AND SO STAFF FELT THAT WITH THAT CONDITION AND MAYBE THE CONDITION ABOUT THE WINDOW, IT CAN WORK, BUT UP, UP TO THE COMMISSION, OF COURSE. OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER. I NEED, I NEED A SECOND TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION OR, UM, IF I DON'T HAVE A MOTION, THEN I'LL HAVE TO GET ANOTHER MOTION. SO I WOULD JUST ADD TO THE MOTION, UH, OR AT LEAST TO WHICH MOTION ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER WINDOW THAT SEEMS TO BE REPLACED. AND I KNOW IF THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, SHOWN [00:40:01] ON PAGE 14, THOSE ARE NON-ORIGINAL. SO IN ADDITION TO THE AMBIGUITY ABOUT THE POSITION OF THE FRONT WALL, WE HAVE THE INDICATION OF THE INTENTION TO RE ELIMINATE ONE EXISTING WINDOW AND REPLACE ANOTHER ONE. AND THEN JUST VERBAL INDICATIONS TO THE CONTRARY. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE SHOULD AT LEAST ALL THREE OF THOSE ISSUES. CAN YOU ASK ME, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT WINDOW? THAT, SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SAM, I THINK YOU FORGOT BECAUSE IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT THERE'S A REMOVAL OF TWO WINDOWS. AND TYPICALLY, UM, THIS COMMISSION, UM, DOES ALLOW, UH, REMOVAL OF WINDOWS WHEN THEY ARE TOWARDS THE REAR IN THE END 50%, UM, TO MAKE THE WHATEVER DESIGN WORK. SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE ALLOWED, UM, THAT AND, AND SHARE. YOU CAN, YOU'VE BEEN HERE. IT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS KIND OF TYPICALLY ALLOWED. THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN THE REAR HALF OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, CERTAINLY THE REAR 25%, UM, OR BEING 75% BACK. BUT THE WINDOWS IN QUESTION, UM, I THINK SAM, YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL QUESTION. I I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE ORIGINAL, BUT OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T HAVE MESSED WITH HIM. UM, BUT, BUT I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO CHECK. I DON'T HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT. YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. HUH. UH, I DROVE BY HILL, UH, I DROVE BY AND TO ME THE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON PAGE, WAS IT 12? NO, 14 ON PAGE 15 LOOKS ORIGINAL. THE THREE PAIR, THE THREE WINDOWS ON PAGE 14 DO NOT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL TO ME. OKAY. AND S HAS DOES RECOMMEND IS OKAY WITH THOSE THREE BEING, UH, MODIFIED. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER. I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND. UM, I HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE, THE MOTION TO DEFER IF THERE'S NOT, SO I NEED, I NEED A CALL FOR, IS THERE A MOTION TO DEFER? SECOND, I, I WOULD ARGUE FOR ACCEPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE PROVISO RESPECTING THESE THREE ISSUES RATHER THAN, UM, PROLONG THE PROCESS. UM, IN THIS CASE, MR. SEL. YEAH, UH, I'M, I'M FINDING MYSELF IN THE SAME POSITION. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT ON PLAN REVIEW, WE WERE IN HERE LAST MONTH WITH A SITUATION WHERE SOMETHING WAS REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE AND IT MOVED THROUGH, IF YOU REMEMBER SAM. SO I, I JUST WANT TO BE CERTAIN THAT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE THINGS BEFORE THEY MOVE ALONG, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE VERIFYING THE ACCURACY OF PLANS AS TO NOT BE BACK IN HERE ON SOMETHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SO, MAY I EXPLAIN? SO STAFF DOES MAKE MISTAKES AND, BUT STAFF TRIES TO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. AND SO WE DON'T WANNA BE HERE AGAIN WITH WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH. SO, UM, WE ARE TAKING OUR TIME STAMPING DRAWINGS, VERIFYING AND EVEN CALLING THE APPLICANTS TO ASK ABOUT MINOR NOTES. SO, UM, YES. SO WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE TRY TO DO THAT AND YES, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL MATCH. OKAY. SO I DON'T HAVE A SECOND FOR THE, FOR THE DEPARTMENT. SECOND DAVIS, FOR SHANNON'S. WELL, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET, SO, OH, I THOUGHT SO. I, I DON'T HAVE A SECOND. SO IS, IS THAT A MOTION I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE PROVISO THAT, UH, STAFF VERIFIES THAT THE WINDOW THAT IS ORIGINAL, IF, IF IT IS ORIGINAL, GETS KEPT, UM, AND THAT THE FRONT WALL MOVES BACK TWO FEET AS PROMISED. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION AS MA'AM, PLEASE? SO CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 20? THE, THE, THE STAIRWELL, THE MEASUREMENT, I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ IT ON THE IPAD, BUT IT'S LIKE 13 FEET, SEVEN INCHES. FOUR. IT'S FOUR FOOT. THE STAIRWELL? NO, NO, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRWELL FROM THE, FROM THE, IT'S THAT IS LIKE 13 FEET. AND YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THAT BACK TO ANOTHER FOOT. I'D HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK. RIGHT NOW IT'S FOUR FOOT BETWEEN, UH, UH, STAIRCASE TO STAIRCASE. IT'S FOUR FOOT, IT WAS FIVE. AND THEN WE WERE HASTILY TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO YASMINE, UH, THIS WEEK. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THREE, BUT, UH, IN DOING IT, WE DIDN'T MAKE IT. SO YES, THAT'S, SO THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE STAIRWELL WILL REDUCE FROM THE 13 SEVEN OR WHATEVER? YES. I CAN'T TO 12 SEVEN. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE [00:45:01] WE HAD A MEASURABLE STANDARD ON THE PLAN SO THAT IT WILL BE 12 FEET, SEVEN INCHES, NOT TO MAYBE ELIMINATE ANY CONFUSION. SO PERHAPS, UM, MR. BLAKEY, YOU COULD STATE THAT DIMENSION IN THE CONDITION THAT, THAT, THAT MOVING THE, MOVING THE WALL BACK TWO FEET WILL, THE OUTCOME WILL BE FOR THAT FIRST MASS TO BE 12 FOOT SEVEN RIGHT WITHIN THE CONDITION. THAT WAY THERE'S NO, UH, MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GONNA BE. OKAY, SO I START AGAIN? NO, YOU JUST HAVE TO ADD THAT ONE . YOU JUST, OKAY. WE'RE JUST ADDING A PLUS SIGN AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE MOTION THAT AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE WALL, THE, UH, TOWARD THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE STAWELL NEW DIMENSION WILL BE 12 SEVEN. THANK YOU. AND THEN COMMISSIONER DAVIS, DO YOU, UH, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE AMENDED, UH, YES. MOTION AND YOU ARE THE SECOND? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDED MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL ABS? UH, ANY ANY ABSTENTIONS? ABSTAIN. OKAY, SO MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR. GOOD AFTERNOON, STAFF MEMBER YASMIN ARSLAN. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM B FOUR, UM, WHICH IS FIVE 19 BAYLAND AVENUE LOT 12. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,627 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FAM WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND A ONE STORY, 1 28 SQUARE FEET GARAGE WITH A CARPORT AT THE REAR, SITUATED ON A 7,500 INTERIOR LOT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING QUEEN END RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1900 IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 2,122 STORY ADDITION, ADDING 281 TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND 1,839 TO THE SECOND WITH AN ATTACHED 755 2 STORY GARAGE. THE MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE 28 FEET ONE AND THE EVE HEIGHT, 22 FEET AND FOUR INCHES. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, REPLACE EXISTING WOOD COLUMNS WITH 16 INCH BRICK, UM, AND EIGHT INCH ROUND WOOD COLUMNS. EXISTING FOUR INCH REVEAL WOOD SIDING TO REMAIN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE ONE STORY GARAGE AND CARPORT AT THE REAR OF THE LOT AND CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY GARAGE THAT, UM, THAT WILL BE 28 FEET NINE AND THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH FROM THE FRONT PORCH. IT WILL HAVE A, UM, FOUR FEET SEPARATION FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE EAST SIDE. THE GARAGE WILL BE 22 FEET WIDE AND THE CEILING HEIGHT WILL BE, UH, 10 FEET. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES IS THE FOLLOWING FOR THE ADDITION THAT IT BE CLAD IN FIVE INCH, UH, FIVE AND A HALF INCH TRIVIAL. UM, FIBER SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS HARDY SIDING. THE ADDITION WILL HAVE A A FIVE OVER 12 PITCH FOR THE ROOF. IT WILL HAVE, UM, 10 FEET AND FOUR INCHES CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST LEVEL EDITION AND A CEILING HEIGHT OF NINE FOR THE SECOND LEVEL EDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS IT DOES NOT SATISFY CRITERIA FOR 10 AND 11. STAFF HAS RECEIVED FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION FROM THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UH, CIVIC ASSOCIATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED INTO, UM, THE RECORD. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, UM, ASK TO SHOW NEW DESIGN FURTHER COMMISSION IF THEY CAN CONSIDER, UM, A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. BUT AGAIN, THE REDESIGN HAPPENED LATE AND THAT IS WHY IT IS SUBMITTED. IT'S, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF THE REPORT, BUT, UM, THE STAFF DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW IT AND, AND SO, UM, IT IS A DENIAL FOR THE DESIGN SUBMITTED AS IS SHOWN ON THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YOU ASME. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE ONE PERSON, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS ITEM, WHICH IS SAM NUKI. COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? THE MICROPHONE, UH, SAM JANUS CREOLE DESIGN. UM, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS AT FIVE 19. BAILIN IS A FANTASTIC OLD HOUSE THAT, UH, THE, THE BULK OF THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE DOING IS HIDDEN BEHIND THE EXISTING ROOF. AND I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, SOME 3D RENDERINGS THAT KIND OF REFLECT DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. AND SO WE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS [00:50:01] HOUSE OR THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT, UH, STAFF HAD WITH THE HOUSE WAS THE GARAGE BEING TOO FAR FORWARD. AND IT WAS FURTHER FORWARD BEFORE OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, OR LAST ON MONDAY. AND SO I SAT DOWN WITH EE AND I SAID, OKAY, HOW FAR BACK DO YOU WANT THIS HOUSE, THIS GARAGE TO GO? SO WE PUSHED THE GARAGE BACK FIVE FEET TOTAL, BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT 3D RENDERING, YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE ADDITION AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A REAL, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN THE FACT IT'S A A WA UH, UH, THE GARAGE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH THERE'S MANY OF THOSE IN THE HEIGHTS. I HAVE ONE AT, UH, ON, ON THE 400 BLOCK, UH, THAT WE DID THAT HAS A DORMER AS WE'RE PROPOSING, AS WELL AS THE GARAGES ON THE SIDE. UM, THIS HOUSE IS NOT OVERLY LARGE FOR WHAT'S BEEN BUILT ON THE NE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE, UM, HOLD ON ONE SEC. I'VE GOT IT HERE. UM, THE HOUSE AT, AT UH, TWO 15 BAIN, WHICH I DID WAS, IS UH, 5,600 SQUARE FEET. THE HOUSE AT 2 0 5 BAIN IS 63 17. THE HOUSE AT 4 0 4, UH, BAIN WAS 34 85. THE HOUSE, OH, I GAVE IT AWAY. I GAVE IT TO YOU . THE HOUSE THAT WAS JUST APPROVED AT 3 0 9 BAYLIN, UM, HOLD ON A SECOND, WAS 4,022 SQUARE FEET. AND I MEAN, I HAVE, HERE'S ONE THAT WAS APPROVED ON BOCHE, WHICH IS A FEW BLOCKS AWAY. IT'S 31 93. UM, SO THE, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS WASN'T THE ISSUE. IT WAS THE, HOW FAR FORWARD THE GARAGE WAS. AND WE PUSHED THE GARAGE BACK, UH, FIVE FEET TO MAKE IT NOT SO, UH, DOMINANT TO THE FACE. WE ALSO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING THAT YOU HAVE IT ON THE, ON THE GARAGE, WE HAD A GABLE UP THERE WITH A OF DECORATIVE STUFF IN THE GABLE. WE ELIMINATED THAT AND WENT WITH A HIP ROOF TO MAKE THE GARAGE EVEN GO AWAY EVEN MORE. AND WE ALSO DROPPED THE CEILING HEIGHTS BEHIND THE HOUSE ON THE SECOND LEVEL FROM, FROM NINE FOOT TO EIGHT FOOT SO THAT WE COULD FURTHER HIDE THE ROOF LINE. UM, AND SO IT, UH, WORKED REAL HARD WITH THE ASME AND YAME WORKED REAL HARD TOO, UH, TO GET THIS TO, TO IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES OR WITHIN, WITHIN THE, HIS WORK, MR. HARRIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SAM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? MR. DAVIS, HOW FAR BACK WAS THE GARAGE BEFORE YOU DECIDED TO MOVE IT BACK? IT WAS 60 WORKED FROM MEMORY. IT WAS 60, 63% BACK, I BELIEVE IT WAS BY BEHIND THE 50% MARK, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE WE'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS WHERE, WHERE IS THAT MARK WHERE YOU CAN PULL AND PULL, UH, PULL STUFF FORWARD AND BACK? FOR INSTANCE, ON AMP WE DID A, A SCREEN PORCH THAT WAS WITHIN THE 50% MARK. AND, BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THROUGH MY EXPERIENCE FROM DOING THIS FOR SO LONG IS AS LONG AS YOU'RE PAST THE 50% MARK ON THE HOUSE, YOU'RE OKAY. BUT WE, THEY WANT IT BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. OF COURSE, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, HOUSE, THE OWNER HAS A A, HE WANTED A THREE CAR GARAGE 'CAUSE HE HAS A, A, A CAR THAT HE NEEDS TO KEEP THERE AND HE HAS THE, WE HAVE THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN HIDDEN BEHIND THAT GARAGE. SO WE PUSHED IT BACK AS FAR AS WE COULD POSSIBLY PUSH IT BACK. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW. UM, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE IT ON HERE. YEAH, WE'RE, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT LOT AND UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE ON HERE, BUT, UH OH, WE'RE 55 FEET ONE AND THREE QUARTER INCHES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE. THAT WAS BEFORE YOU MOVED IT BACK OR IS THAT, THAT'S AFTER YOU MOVED IT BACK. OKAY. WELL, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR HOW FAR BACK FOR THESE BUILDINGS. IT JUST, SO, UM, AND WHAT IT THEN GOES TO IS COMPATIBILITY. UM, AND I THINK YOU WEREN'T SHOWING UP FOR THIS HOUSE, BUT YOU SEWED SAME CONTEXT AREA. YOU SHOWED A BUNCH OF HOUSES THAT HAVE THE SIDE GARAGE. SO FROM A COMPATIBILITY STANDPOINT, IT SEEMS THAT IT MAKES THE CUT WHETHER YOU MOVE IT BACK OR NOT. BUT MY OTHER COMMENT WAS, I KNOW WE NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE, BUT COMPATIBLE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UNATTRACTIVE. AND WHAT YOU PROPOSED THAT WAS ELIMINATED AT LEAST GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTER TO THAT BUILDING. SO THAT'S [00:55:01] MY QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING VANILLA? WE'RE OKAY WITH GIVING, GIVING IT UP THOUGH , JUST SO YOU KNOW. YEAH. UM, LET'S ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT THEN I DO WANNA FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON THE, ON THIS FROM THE PUBLIC OR I CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT, I'D LIKE JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT. SO, UM, COULD YOU ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS? UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE COMPATIBILITY BASED ON THE, UM, THE, THE, THE WHERE GARAGES WERE PLACED WITHIN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE AND LIKE WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE, FOR INSTANCE, OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, SANDBORN MAPS THAT RECORD EXACTLY WHERE GARAGES WERE PLACED, IF THERE WERE VARIATIONS. WE CAN ALSO SORT OF SEE WHAT THE COMMON, THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IS FOR PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE LOCATION ON THE LOT. CAN YOU GO TO THE SANBORN IN CONTEXT AREA PLEASE? OKAY. SO IF I MAY, UM, ADDRESS THE FIRST PART. SO THE CRITERIA THAT ADDRESSES THAT IS CRITERION 11. THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERLY LINED TO THE FRONT AND SIDE WALLS, PORCHES AND EXTERIOR FEATURES OF ANY PROPOSED ADDITION OR ALTERATION MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF SIMILAR ELEMENTS OF EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. THE CONTEXT AREA BY DEFINITION IS THAT BLOCK FACE, AND THEREFORE FOR THE 500 BLOCK THERE, UM, THE, AN THE TWO STORY ATTACHED GARAGE FRONT SETBACK IS LESS THAN WHAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE HISTORIC, UM, IN THE CONTEXT AREA. AND IT'S CLOSER TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE THAN TYPICAL GARAGES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. AND THEN THE ISSUE WITH THIS ONE IS THAT YES, IT IS SEPARATED FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE BY FOUR FEET, BUT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IT DOES BLOCK THAT VIEW OF THAT EAST ELEVATION. AND, AND, AND THEREFORE, AGAIN, IF WE LOOK AT THE, CAN YOU GO TO THE SANDBORN? MOST OF, I WANNA SAY MOST OF THE GARAGES, ESPECIALLY THE TWO STORY ONES ARE PUSHED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT AND IT IS NOT CLOSER TO THE FRONT. UM, AND THEN THE DETAIL ON, ON THE GARAGE, UM, STAFF FELT THAT WITH IT BEING CLOSE, AGAIN, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE SUBMISSION, WHAT WHAT HE SUBMITTED WITH, WITH IT BEING CLOSE. UM, SORRY, SAMANTHA, CAN YOU GO TO THE 3D, THE, THE KIND OF REAL ONE, THE PHOTO ONE, THE OTHER SIDE? THE OTHER ONE? YES. HERE IT'S, IT'S CLOSER TO THE FRONT AND THEN MIMICS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. IF THIS WAS PUSHED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT, IT WOULDN'T BE AS VISIBLE AND MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR ALL THE DETAILS TO BE REMOVED. BUT WITH IT BEING CLOSER, STAFF FELT THAT SIMPLIFYING IT AND SWITCHING IT IS, IS GONNA HAVE A BETTER EFFECT IN THE, ON THAT STREET. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT STAFF FELT LIKE. IT FELT CRITERIA, BUT YES, WE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE YES, I KNOW THIS IS WHAT HE'S DOING IS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THEY WANT. CORRECT. THEY HAVEN'T AGREED BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T REVIEWED IT. UM, THIS, THIS IS A, THIS IS ONE WHERE, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THOUGHT I HEARD THIS DRAWING, NOT THIS RENDERING, BUT THE RENDERING THAT WAS PUT UP JUST A MOMENT AGO AT THE END OF THIS PACKAGE WAS JUST SUBMITTED AND STAFF, YOU ALL HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE REVISED SUBMISSION QUESTION. YES. SO BE BECAUSE THE CHANGES HAPPENED LATE IN THE GAME, KIND OF, UH, STAFF HASN'T FULLY REVIEWED IT, BUT HE DID ADDRESS, UM, SIMPLIFYING THE GARAGE, PUSHING IT, UM, MORE TOWARDS THE BACK, UM, AND THEN SWITCHING IT TO A HIP INSTEAD OF WHAT HE HAD. UM, I THINK WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE SECOND STORY EDITION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID. YEAH, HE DROPPED THE CEILING HEIGHT. WE HAVEN'T FULLY REVIEWED IT AND THAT IS WHY, UM, STAFF, UM, SAID WE CAN SUBMIT IT AS APPLICANT'S MATERIAL FOR YOU TO ASK COMMISSION IF, IF THEY CAN, UM, UM, SWITCH THEIR RECOMMENDATION. BUT AGAIN, AGAIN, THE ONE THAT WE FULLY REVIEWED WAS THE SUBMISSION THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS WHY IT'S A DENIAL. BUT WOULD YOU, MY QUESTION THEN, WOULD YOU, BASED ON THIS OTHER SUBMISSION THAT WAS PUT IN, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL OR, OR WOULD YOU RECOMMEND A DEFERRAL SINCE YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS OR I I'M JUST ASKING FROM THE STAFF'S POSITION, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I I THINK WE ARE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING THIS PROJECT BEFORE US ON THE SCREEN. SO THE PROJECT SUBMITTED AS IS RIGHT STAFF FEELS IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE DENIAL, WHICH [01:00:01] WE HAVE BECAUSE WE, WE FEEL IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. THE WHAT, WHAT HE SUB SUBMITTED IS HE, HE DID ADDRESS A, UH, A FEW, I WANNA SAY SEVERAL ISSUES THAT WE HAD AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE FOR. SO IT IS DEFINITELY CLOSER TO AN APPROVAL. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ADDRESSING. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST RELY ON THE, THE DESIGN THAT HE SUBMITTED OR YOU CAN SAY APPROVED AS, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. RIGHT. MY, UM, WHERE I'M HAVING SOME ISSUES HERE IS THAT WE'VE NEVER MADE A VOTE UP OR DOWN ON A PROJECT THAT STAFF HADN'T VETTED BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS STAGE. I MEAN, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT DEFERRAL BECAUSE DENIAL AND DEFERRAL ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I MEAN, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S HARD TO EVEN CONSIDER THIS NEW EVIDENCE IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T REVIEWED IT. LIKE THAT'S, I CAN'T RECALL THAT HAPPENING IN THE PAST ON THE COMMISSION QUESTION TO, TO, TO BE FAIR, WE HAVEN'T FULLY REVIEWED IT. AGAIN, IT WAS SUBMITTED LATE, BUT AS, AS FAR AS WE WERE GOING, UM, THE APPROACH IS ALWAYS IF IF WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, WE WOULD RATHER DO DO THAT. UM, AND, AND SO IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION, BUT YES, WE HAVEN'T FULLY REVIEWED IT, BUT HE DID ADDRESS, UH, SEVERAL ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH IT, BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T FULLY REVIEWED IT. THANK YOU GUYS. SO ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, COMMISSIONER BROWNING, UH, HELP, I MEAN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A DEADLINE FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT DEADLINE WASN'T MET. Y'ALL HAVEN'T EVALUATED THIS, SO IF, IF I MAY EXPLAIN, HE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION WITH DRAWINGS MM-HMM . THAT MET THE DEADLINE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE IF IT DID NOT MEET THE DEADLINE. MM-HMM . BUT, BUT THEN HE WAS OPEN TO REVISIONS TO THE, I I BELIEVE WHEN HE REALIZED THAT IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, HE'S LIKE, WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE IT WORK? I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN APPROVAL AND I'M FLEXIBLE ON CHANGING, UM, THINGS. AND, AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING AND HE WAS QUICK TO, TO CHANGE. UM, AND I, AND I TOLD HIM BECAUSE THE DRAFTS WERE UPLOADED, I CANNOT CHANGE THE DRAWINGS AND INCLUDE THEM ALL. WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN ATTACH THEM AS SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS UNDER APPLICANT'S MATERIAL AND YOU ARE FREE TO, UM, SUBMIT. SO, UM, COME AND PRESENT AND ASK FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ACTION. YEAH, THIS STRIKES ME AS THE SECOND ITEM TODAY WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE AND THEN WE HAD THE LAST MEETING WITH A MISTAKE AND IT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. UM, AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH FOLKS MAKING MISTAKES, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMAGES BEING PRESENTED WHERE Y'ALL HAVEN'T THOROUGHLY EVALUATED IT AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE REALLY ADDRESSING. UM, SO PERSONALLY I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THE, THIS ITEM FROM THIS AGENDA AND RESUBMIT IN A WAY THAT LETS STAFF, LETS STAFF, UH, EVALUATE IT. OTHERWISE, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A RISK OF DENIAL HERE. THIS SEEMS TO BE A REPETITIVE, UH, A REPETITIVE PATTERN OR AT LEAST A PATTERN THAT'S DEVELOPING. SURE. BLAKE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD EITHER, UH, SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY OR DEFER UNTIL THE PROJECT CAN BE RESUBMITTED. STAFF CAN EVALUATE IT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T ACT ON PETITIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WE ACT ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, MOTION TO DEFER. WE JUST, UM, VOTED ON ANOTHER APPLICATION WHERE THE PACKET WAS INCORRECT AND INCOMPLETE AND NOW WE MIGHT BE VOTING ON ONE WHERE STAFF IS ADMITTING THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FULLY VET WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. SO MOTION TO DEFER. BEFORE WE DO A SECOND ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WITHDRAW AND RESUBMIT WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE SUBMIT, WE NEGOTIATE AFTER WE'VE SUBMITTED. AND SO THIS IS NOTHING UNUSUAL. I WAS VERY SHOCKED THAT WE HAD A DENIAL ON THIS PROJECT ON FRIDAY WHEN I SAW IT POSTED. AND I CALLED FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING AND SAID, I NEED TO MEET WITH YOU BECAUSE I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I NEED TO DO TO GET THIS THING OVER THE GOAL LINE. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. I WANNA BE ON CONSENT AGENDA. AND, AND SO WE SAT, UH, [01:05:01] YASMINE AND I, AND WE CAME UP WITH WHAT SHE FELT LIKE WAS A SOLUTION TO GET THIS OVER THE GOAL LINE. AND THAT WAS MOVING THE GARAGE BACK FIVE FEET, WHICH WE'VE DONE. AND WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN HER THE DRAWING. SHE HASN'T HAD TIME 'CAUSE SHE'S BEEN BUSY. AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, LOWER IN THE ROOF HEIGHT, UH, THOSE WERE THE TWO AND, AND, AND FIXING THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE GARAGE. SO THIS IS NOTHING UNUSUAL. IT'S NOT LIKE I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE TWO OF THEM TODAY, BUT IT'S NOTHING UNUSUAL. AND I, I DON'T REALLY WANT A DEFERRAL. I WANT, I WANT, I WANT Y'ALL TO VOTE YES OR NO BECAUSE WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THE STAFF HAS ASKED US TO DO AND, AND LITERALLY WENT DOWN THERE MONDAY AND HAD DRAWINGS BACK TO HER BY NOON THE NEXT MORNING. SO I THINK THERE MAY BE A NEW WAY OF OPERATING IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'RE SENDING US ACTUALLY OUR FIRST VIEWS AT THESE MATERIALS ON FRIDAYS. SO I THINK SOMEONE DID YOU A FAVOR BY HEARING YOU SO LATE IN THE STAGE, UH, WHICH HAS HAD AN IMPACT ON OUR, GET THE TIMING OF OUR RECEIVING THESE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY SUGGEST THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE SUBMITTED PLAN, UH, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ISSUES WE MAY HAVE IN A THOROUGH WAY WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THAT WAS VETTED BY STAFF BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES I THINK MIGHT COME UP AND I THINK WE SHOULD GET THEM OUT ON THE TABLE THIS TIME SO THAT IF IT DOES COME BACK TO US AFTER A DEFERRAL, WE'RE NOT RAISING THEN ISSUES THAT WERE APPARENT TO US ALREADY NOW. BUT I THINK THE, THE MAIN THING IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS ESSENTIALLY FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WE WORK WITH. AND, UH, WE CAN'T REALLY, I WOULD SAY MAYBE SOMEONE DISAGREES. I WOULD SAY WE CAN'T REALLY OPERATE THAT WAY. CHAIR, YEAH. WILLIAMSON STATE OF TEXAS CHANGED THE NOTICE REQUIREMENT. AND SO THAT WENT INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST. SO WE USED TO NOT POST THESE UNTIL MONDAY AFTERNOON, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NEW NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE STATE, WE HAD TO ADVANCE THOSE TO FRIDAY. SO IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF. IS THERE IS, MAY I ASK, IS THERE, ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? YES. BEFORE WE HAVE ANY MORE ACTION FOR, FOR STAFF? YES. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, UH, THE IMPACT ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. WE HAVE IN ADDITION, THAT IN THIS CASE DOES SEEM TO TAKE OVER HALF OF THE ROOF OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. IF I LOOK AT PAGE, UH, 12, THE ORIG EXISTING AND PROPOSED SITE PLANS, THAT NEW ADDITION TAKES TAKES QUITE A BIT OF MATERIAL AWAY. THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. JUST THE, UM, THE KIND OF WASTE OF, OF ORIGINAL MATERIALS. THE, THE, THE FRAMING AND THE ROOFING AND THE, THE BACK ELEVATION IS COMPLETELY ALTERED. UM, AND THEN, THEN THERE'S THE FACT THAT IT DOES TOWER OVER THE ORIGINAL ONE, I, I FIND, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE TOO IMPOSING. UM, IT'S NOT STRICTLY TRUE THAT YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT ON THE BACK OF A BUILDING . UM, WE DO CARE ABOUT WHAT, HOW THAT ADDITION LOOKS FROM THE SIDE. AND, AND I THINK AT SOME POINT IN THE STAFF'S COMMENTS, THE ADDITION DOESN'T COME ACROSS AS SUBORDINATE TO THE EXISTING. IT COMES ACROSS AS A KIND OF AGGLOMERATION OF SOMETHING NEW ONTO THE EXISTING THAT'S BIGGER THAN IT IS. SO I FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL VOLUME OF THE ADDITION AND IN ADDITION ABOUT THE, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE GARAGE TO THE SIDE SETBACK WHERE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT CLOSER TO THE LOT LINE ON THE SIDE. I KNOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THE FRONT, BUT I'M THINKING OF THE SIDE. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE PLAN THAT STAFF VETTED AND HAS SUGGESTED THAT SHOULD BE DENIED. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS? I'D LIKE TO JUST PIGGYBACK A LITTLE ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE, THAT THAT WE KIND OF LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IN THIS DESIGN. I MEAN, JUST FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT AND YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION WHEN YOU BRING THE GARAGE FORWARD WITH THE TWO STORY ON TOP OF IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FIND THAT THE, IT PRESENTS ITSELF AS SUBSERVIENT TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME NEED TO PULL THE GARAGE FORWARD FOR THE APP FOR THE OWNER, BUT I ALSO THINK YOU'RE ADDING A DORMER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS ALSO CHANGING THE FORM OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. SO YOU'RE [01:10:01] KIND OF CONTAMINATED IN A ONE SIDE AND ADDING A DORMER ON THE OTHER. AND WE'RE LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DORMER IS NEGOTIABLE OR IF IT, IT WOULD JUST PRESERVE MORE OF THE ORIGINAL LINES OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO THE DORMER AND HOW FAR FORWARD FROM THE ORIGINAL, FROM THE EXISTING REAR WALL OF THE HOUSE IS THE GARAGE. UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT MORE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING REAR WALL, THE FRONT OF IT SO THAT IT IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK? IT IS, UH, 6 11 7. SO IT'S ABOUT, UH, RIGHT AT 18 FEET FORWARD OF THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET IT TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE , IT'S TIGHT, UM, MAYBE BY A FOOT OR TWO, BUT IT'S TIGHT. I MEAN, THE FARTHER BACK THE GARAGE GOES MM-HMM . THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT LOOKS MUCH, MUCH BETTER BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL I KNOW. YOU KNOW, I AGREE. I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO TRY TO GET IT AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE. AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE ELIMINATE THE DORMER JUST SO THAT THE FORM OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE KIND OF OF IS VERY PRESERVED. I GET THAT YOU MIGHT BE TRYING TO USE SPACE AND I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T LOOK AT ALL THE FLOOR PLANS TO SEE HOW IT'S INTEGRATED, BUT, WELL, AND THEN LASTLY, , GO AHEAD. CAN'T, IT APPEARS WE HAVE A PICTURE FROM 1965 OF THE HOUSE IN THE PACKET MM-HMM . ON PAGE ONE. IS IT, I I FEEL LIKE THE, THE COLUMNS AS DRAWN ARE A DIFFERENT PROPORTION THAN WHAT WE SEE IN THAT PICTURE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO MAKE THEM MORE CONSISTENT? OH, WITH THE, YES. THE 'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK HAVING HIGHER BRICK CREATES THIS, IT KIND OF SQUATS DOWN THE PORCH. AND I THINK IF YOU'RE HAVING SO MUCH MASS AT THE BACK, IF YOU CAN LIFT IT, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROPORTION OF THE COLUMN IN THE BRICK THAT I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL, THAT PICTURE MAKES IT LOOK TALLER TO ME. OKAY. YEAH. THE INTENTION WAS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL. OKAY. SO, AND I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME CODE ISSUES WITH RAIL HEIGHT OR SOMETHING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE CLOSER TO THAT WOULD BE BETTER. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE BRICK IS A LITTLE OUTTA SCALE WITH THE, THE WOOD PORTION IN THE, AT LEAST THE RENDERING THAT WE HAVE. SO, OKAY. THOSE ARE MY, MY POINTS. CAN I SAY ONE THING? SURE. THE, THE ADDITION IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, UH, RENDERING I SENT YOU, THE RIDGE HEIGHT ON THE MAIN HOUSE IS TALLER THAN THE ADDITION. SO, SO YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE STREET WHERE A LOT OF THESE, YOU, YOU SEE, I MEAN THE, UH, A LOT OF THE PICTURES I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, YOU SEE MOST OF THE ADDITIONS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO HIDE THE, UM, ADDITION BEHIND THE EXISTING ROOF, HOW THE, HOW THE, HOW THE ADDITION BECOMES TOO DOMINANT. I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE ADDITION BEHIND THE ROOF. I, I REALLY TAKE MORE ISSUE WITH THE DORMER. I MEAN, MAYBE IF IT WAS LIKE A SHED DORMER, I CAN, I CAN GET RID OF THE DORM. I DIDN'T, THAT'S WHAT, UH, YASMINE RECOMMENDED A SHED DORMER. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, I FIND THAT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG KIND OF ADDITION THAT'S RIGHT ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE HOUSE HAS VERY CHARMING LINES TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF IT. UM, AND THAT JUST KIND OF INTERRUPTS. ITS, ITS ITS FORM. SO IF, IF YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU AND YOUR CLIENT. JUST ULTIMATELY THE, THE REASON I DID THE DORMERS, BECAUSE WE DID THREE DORMERS ON THE HOUSE ON THE NEXT BOX RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND IT, HERE'S ONE OF 'EM YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE. AND THIS WAS A BIG, OH NO, THE PHOTOS ARE GONE HERE. UM, DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. THIS WAS A, WE GOT ONE MORE PHOTO HERE SOMEWHERE. UM, WE HAVE A, A DORM ON TWO DORMERS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. UM, IT HAPPENS TO BE THIS HOUSE. AND WE HAVE TWO DORMERS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND WE HAVE TWO DORMERS ON THE LEFT THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR US TO DO IN ORDER TO USE THE ATTIC SPACE FOR BEDROOMS ACTUALLY ON THAT ONE. AND WE ENDED UP, UH, THAT THE, THE DORMER THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PROPOSAL TODAY IS ACTUALLY IN THE ATTIC SPACE AND IN A GAME ROOM AREA, WHEN YOU COME TO THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, IT'S RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT'S ALL WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET LIGHT INTO THAT GAME ROOM. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, YASMINE ASKED ME TO PUT A SHED DORMER ON IT, AND I SAID, LET ME DO THE 3D RENDERING FIRST AND LET'S LOOK AT IT. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I CAN DO A SHED DORMER. BUT IT, UH, AGAIN, EVERY ONE OF THESE, I DON'T SUBMIT A FULL, I DON'T SUBMIT A DRAWING THAT DOESN'T GET CHANGED EVER. AND, AND NO ONE DOES. EVERYONE HAS TO GO MEET WITH STAFF MEMBERS AND, AND GO THROUGH THE DRAWING AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE AND WHAT THEY LIKE. THEY MEET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS OR WHATEVER THAT MEETING IS, AND [01:15:01] THEN THEY COME BACK TO YOU. WHEN I FIRST MET WITH YASMIN ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS. THE DORMER, SHE DID NOT LIKE. UM, THE WANTED THE 3D RENDERING TO PROVE UP SOME OTHER STUFF. AND SHE KIND OF, SHE DIDN'T LIKE THE GARAGE, THE, THE, UH, STUFF ON THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE. AND THEN, UH, THANKSGIVING GOT IN THE WAY. A LOT OF THINGS GOT IN THE WAY. SHE'S BUSY. AND, AND I SENT AN EMAIL AND SAID, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? AND, UH, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT, WELL, I MUST BE OKAY. AND THEN I GET THE DENIAL ON FRIDAY EVENING AND I WAS FLIPPED OUT ABOUT IT. I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN DENIAL. I WANT TO, I AM HERE TO WORK WITH THE STAFF TO GET MY PROJECTS THROUGH ON CONSENT AGENDA. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO, TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH AND THEN ANOTHER MONTH AND THEN ANOTHER MONTH. AND IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO GET THIS STUFF THROUGH. AND, AND IF SOMEBODY IS YOUNG COUPLE BUY THIS HOUSE, THEY WANNA GET THEIR REMODEL STARTED. THEY DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MISSING A COMMISSION HEARING IN MARCH. SO WE'RE GONNA GET APRIL, GET ALL THIS STUFF WRAPPED UP AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY GET A PERMIT, IT'LL BE JULY OR AUGUST. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GET STARTED, WE WANNA GET STARTED. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WENT AND MET WITH YAM ON MONDAY. AND, AND SHE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GIMME THE TIME TO DO IT, TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? AND, AND I, I DID EVERYTHING SHE SAID, WHICH WASN'T THAT MUCH. PUSHED THE GARAGE BACK FIVE FEET, WHICH WE DID, DROPPED THE CEILING HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AT THE BACK, WHICH WE DID. AND, AND SHE'S STILL NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE DORMER EITHER, , WHICH, WHICH I CAN TALK TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE NEED SOME LIGHT IN THAT GAME ROOM. THANK YOU, SAM. THANK YOU. MR. SADEL, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT BEFORE I CALL FOR YOU? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION OR COMMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S PERTINENT TO, UH, THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW FOR STAFF, IS IT, UH, IT SEEMS THAT A LOT OF THESE, UH, DISCUSSIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO FAR FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THE BLOCK. CAN I SUGGEST THAT, UH, FOR A MORE INFORMED BODY, IF YOU ARE COMPARING THE PROXIMITY TO AN EXTERIOR WALL, WHETHER IT BE ON A GARAGE, WHETHER IT BE ON A, ON ON THE EXISTING HOME OR ON THE MAIN HOUSE, IF IT'S A COMPARISON OF THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE, BRING US THE DIMENSIONS OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE BECAUSE TOO FAR FORWARD IS I, IT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO, TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE HELPFUL IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. SO STAFF DID IN SURE. DIMENSION WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WILL, UM, LOOK INTO. THANK YOU. UM, FOR SURE. UM, BUT STAFF TRIED. WE HAVE THE SANBORN SHOWING THAT GARAGES ARE TOWARD THE REAR AND THEN, UH, I KNOW THE GOOGLE IMAGE IS NOT GREAT, BUT IT KIND OF, IT SHOWS THAT MOST OF THE STRUCTURES ARE, ARE AT THE REAR, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE TO PROVIDE DIMENSIONS NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. I THINK THE OUTLYING ISSUE IS A TANDEM, A GARAGE. SO I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE OTHER GARAGES ON THAT STREET HAVE A DOUBLE GARAGE IN DEPTH. AND THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE 'CAUSE BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS PUSHED TO THE BACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S TWO CARS IN TANDEM AND THAT'S, SO THERE ARE NO OTHER GARAGES THAT BLOCK FACE THAT HAVE THAT CONDITION. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING PART OF THIS. SURE. BUT YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT THE FRONT OF ANY GARAGE, NO MATTER WHAT THE SIZE OF IT IS SURE IS, IS THE MARKER. AGREED. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S REALLY JUST THE SANDBORN IS, GIVES US THE EVIDENCE OF WHAT THAT IS AND, AND WE CAN SEE SOMETIMES THERE'S A VARIATION, BUT MORE, MORE OR LESS THEY KIND OF FALL INTO A SIMILAR ZONE. YEAH. YEP. SO, BUT I DO HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE TO CALL FOR A SECOND. UM, IS IT, OUR MOTION WAS TO DEFER AND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, SO BEFORE I VOTE THEN I WILL HAVE LAST DISCUSSIONS ON THAT. SO COMMISSIONER BROWNING, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? YEAH, YEAH. I, I, I AGREE THAT I FEEL LIKE THIS ONE AND I UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WITH THE HOLIDAYS, BUT I, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS ONE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THERE ON THE LAST ONE, THAT THIS ONE JUST HAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED. NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T GET THERE. UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN TURN IT AROUND QUICKLY WHERE WE, WHERE WE DON'T LOSE ANY MORE TIME. BUT I AGREE. I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT QUITE, NOT QUITE COOKED. OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DEFER? I JUST YES, YOU MAY. YES. UM, JUST TO STAFF, PLEASE TRY NOT TO DO FAVORS. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU MAY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING GOOD BY BENDING PROCEDURES, BUT IT COULD ACTUALLY BE A DISSERVICE IN THE LONGER RUN OR IN THE BIGGER PICTURE. [01:20:01] STAFF FULLY AGREES. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR GENEROSITY, BUT, UM, YEAH, COMMISSIONER DAVIS, YOU HAVE A COMMENT. SO MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT REGARDLESS, DEFER, NOT DEFER FOR AN APPLICANT TO FIND OUT ON FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING THAT HIS PLAN IS NOT APPROVED, IT'S GOING TO BE DENIED. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. UM, HE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE TIME THAN THAT. SO, SAM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DID TELL HIM WHEN WE HAD A MEETING THAT THAT GARAGE IS NOT TYPICAL FROM WHAT WE HAVE AND WHY, WHY IS IT NOT AT THE REAR? I DID LET HIM KNOW AND I DID TELL HIM THAT, UM, I, I FELT, I I FROM HIM THAT THERE WAS NO FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN. AND, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT FURTHER BECAUSE HE MADE SURE THAT HE WANTED THAT OUTDOOR KITCHEN IN THE BACK. TYPICALLY, MOST OF HIS, UM, MOST OF THE DESIGNS DO HAVE THE GARAGE TOWARDS THE REAR. UM, AND THEREFORE, UM, WHEN I ADDRESSED THAT OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND WHY IS THE GARAGE CLOSER? HE SAID THE, THE HOMEOWNER WANTS THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN. AND SO THAT WAS THE MAIN PROBLEM. SO IF HE'S NOT GONNA PUSH IT TOWARDS THE REAR, THEN WHAT IS STAFF GOING TO DO? UM, AND TYPICALLY WE ALWAYS DO THAT, BUT WE FELT THERE WAS NO FLEXIBILITY. AND, UM, YES, STAFF IS DOING THEIR BEST. AGAIN, WE, WERE A MUCH BIGGER TEAM, WE'RE A SMALLER TEAM, SO WE'RE ALL HUMANS AND A LOT OF US GOT SICK. UM, TYPICALLY WE WE'RE ON TOP OF IT. UM, AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST. THANK YOU, HASMEEN. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO WITH THAT, UM, I'VE GOT A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BROBECK A SECOND FROM MR. COSGROVE TO DEFER. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL, DEFERRING. AYE AYE. AYE. ANY, UH, OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? COMMISSIONER GARCIA ABSTAIN. OKAY, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO ITEM FIVE. AND I'M GOING TO, UM, ANYBODY SIGNED UP THIS WEEK. SIGNED UP THIS WEEK. THIS ONE SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUES. . THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UM, IS 34 58 INWOOD DRIVE. OKAY, SO, UH, STAFF MEMBER YASMIN ALAN, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AGENDA ITEM B FIVE AT 34 58 INWOOD DRIVE. UM, THIS IS IN THE RIVER OAK SUBDIVISION, SECTION NINE. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 9,270 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY BRICK ER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, SITUATED ON A 23,400 SQUARE FOOT, UM, INTERIOR LOT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING, UM, COLON COLONIAL REVIVAL RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1939 LOCATED IN RIVER OAKS. THE RESIDENCE IS KNOWN AS THE CLEVELAND SEWELL, UM, HOUSE, A CITY OF HOUSTON PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATED IN 2009. THIS APPLICATION IS A REVISION TO WORK AT THE INTERIOR GATE AS APPROVED NOVEMBER 9TH, 2023. THE INTERIOR GATE WALLS ARE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HISTORIC HOUSE MAKING THE ELEMENTS SUBJECT TO CFA REVIEW WORK AT THE PROPERTY IS IN PROGRESS WITH ACTIVE PERMITS. REVISION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ROUTE IRON INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WOOD GATE TWO GATE DESIGN OPTIONS ARE PRESENTED. APPROVAL OF BOTH OPTION, UM, IS REQUESTED. UM, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH OPTION TWO, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR OPTION ONE BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT OPTION TWO IS TOO DETAILED AND DECORATED AND DOES NOT MATCH. AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL, UM, MATERIAL WAS THE WOOD GATE, WHICH THEY GOT APPROVED FOR, BUT THEN THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THAT. AND STAFF FEELS THAT THE FIRST OPTION, UM, IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. IF YOU MAY SHOW THE EXISTING, UM, PHOTOS, PLEASE FOR THE HOUSE, IT DOES HAVE A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN AND, AND THAT IS WHY, UM, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, DETAILED IMAGE ON THE, OKAY. SO, BUT WE WERE, WE, IT'S NOT ON CONSENT BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER WOULD RATHER GO WITH OPTION TWO. AND SO, UM, COMMISSION HAS THE POWER TO SWITCH THE RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU GUYS. YOU'RE WELCOME. BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST FOR THE COMMISSION, I BELIEVE IN OUR DESIGN REVIEW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THAT THERE ARE WR IRON ELEMENTS ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO THE USE OF CHANGE THE MATERIAL FROM WOOD TO WROUGHT [01:25:01] IRON IS NOT TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE, THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND IS THERE ANY DELIBERATION? MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF. A SECOND AND A SECOND. WAS THAT COMMISSIONER HILL? UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. I FEEL BETTER NOW. OKAY. GOOD LUCK. OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. ALRIGHT, Y'ALL BUCKLE UP. UH, . GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM B SIX AT 7 28 EUCLID IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A NON-CONTRIBUTING ONE STORY ALTERED BRICK BUNGALOW SITUATED ON A 5,670 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT. THE SITE WAS APPROVED FOR REPL BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON PLANNING COMMISSION TO SUBDIVIDE THE PREVIOUSLY 11,325 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT INTO TWO SMALLER PARCELS, NOW ADDRESSED AS 7 28 EUCLID AND 29 24 WATSON. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY WOOD FRAME. 3,776 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A 648 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED GARAGE IN ITS PLACE. THE DESIGN FEATURES IN L-SHAPED WRAP FRONT PORCH WITH TAPERED WOOD COLUMNS SUPPORTED BY A BRICK BASE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER FACING EUCLID AND WATSON. THE HOUSE WILL HAVE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL AS WELL AS A BOARD AND BATTEN DETAIL ON THE SECOND FLOOR OVER THE GARAGE AND THE NORTHEAST CORNER FACING EUCLID. AS DEPICTED ON THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS, THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE WILL BE 32 FEET FOUR INCHES WITH A 29 FOOT 10 INCH RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ATTACHED GARAGE. THE SETBACK TO THE FRONT MOST WALL FACING EUCLID WILL BE 20 FOOT TWO AND A HALF INCHES WITH A 15 AND TWO AND A HALF INCH SETBACK TO THE FRONT PORCH. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND HAS DONE NUMEROUS DESIGN REVIEWS SINCE THE INITIAL PROJECT SUBMISSION ALONG WITH CONSULTATION FROM HAHC COMMISSIONERS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS OF 12:00 PM NOON TODAY THE APPLICATION HAS RECEIVED FIVE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FROM THE PUBLIC VIA PRESERVATION TRACKER AND ONE VIA EMAIL, WHICH I HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC RECORD. STAFF HAS DETERMINED THE PROPOSED DESIGN. SAT, SATISFIES THE CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF VARIOUS ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS SEEN ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON AN ATYPICAL LOT CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THE APPLICANT TONY MANCO, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, BUT THE FIRST IS THE APPLICANT, UH, ANTHONY, UM, MONACO. JUST STATE YOUR NAME. UH, ANTHONY MONACO. UH, I AM THE APPLICANT. UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, LEAVING THIS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. UM, CARE DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER. UH, THIS WHOLE JOURNEY STARTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. UH, I EVEN CHOSE TO ENGAGE EARLY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO REPLANT IT, TO TRY TO FIT THE MOST FEATURES I CAN AND MAKE SURE I'M ADHERING TO EVERYTHING IN HISTORIC PROCESS. I CHOSE TO DO THE TWO SQUARE LOTS TO FIT THAT. UM, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS SITUATION 'CAUSE THAT IS A WHOLE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CHAPTER 42, REPLANNING DIVISION, SO IT IS SEPARATE. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW I WAS GOING THROUGH THAT EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING. UH, SO ONCE WE GOT THAT FULLY APPROVED, UM, THEY MOVED THAT, THAT PLAT ACTUALLY SHOWS 15 FOOT, UM, SETBACKS AND 19 FOOT GARAGE BUILDING LINES, UH, WORKING WITH, WITH THE DISTRICT. UM, WE EVEN CHOSE TO COMPROMISE AND GO BACK TO 20 FOOT TO TRY TO TRY TO MAKE EVERY, EVERYONE HAPPY. NEIGHBORS, DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO THAT WAS A, UM, COMPROMISE THERE, WHICH I WAS HAPPY TO DO. UM, AGAIN, A LOT WENT INTO IT, A LOT OF CHANGES. I THINK IT WAS A TOTAL OF SIX REVISIONS. UM, I WAS OPEN TO ALL FEEDBACK, UM, AS LONG AS, I MEAN IT WAS REASONABLE WHEN FOLLOWED THE, THE RULES, RIGHT? UM, SO I THINK I, I MADE MULTIPLE CHANGES ADHERED TO EVERYTHING YOU GUYS NEEDED AND, UH, [01:30:01] I HOPE THAT THAT COULD GET IT THROUGH. SO PROBABLY DIDN'T COVER EVERYTHING HERE. IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, LEMME KNOW. I GOT A BUNCH OF DATA BEHIND IT THAT I CAN SHOW. SO THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY, THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE MORE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. UM, UM, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHAEL GRAVES. FORGIVE ME IF I READ SOME NOTES, UH, PREPARED. I'M NOT LOOKING, LOOKING AT MY PHONE. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS MICHAEL GRAVES. I LIVE AT THE 33 0 4 AMP STREET IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT IN AN ORIGINAL CRAFTSMAN COTTAGE BUILT BY THE WILLIAM, A WHITE COMPANY. MINE IS ONE OF THE VERY HOME, VERY HOMES THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO PROTECT. BUT I'M HERE TODAY IN MY CAPACITY AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION, AND I APPEAR THIS AFTERNOON TO EXPRESS OUR OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECTS AT 7 28 EUCLID AND THE FOLLOWING, ONE AT 29 24 WATSON. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIRES EVEN FOR NEW BUILDS AND QUOTING DIRECTLY CRITERION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE EXTERIOR FEATURES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXTERIOR FEATURES OF THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. BUT WE ASSERT THAT THE PROPOSED NEW HOMES DO NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. UM, WHILE THERE ARE MANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGNS WITH RESPECT TO 7 28 EUCLID, THE FRONT LOADING ATTACHED GARAGE IS PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS, UH, ASPECT OF THE PROPOSAL AND ONE THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN A SUBURBAN SETTING. UH, RATHER THAN ENUMERATE THE VARIOUS SPECIFIC WAYS THESE PLANS ARE NON-COMPLIANT, I REFER YOU TO A WRITTEN COMMENT FILED BY MRS. MELISSA STERNFELD, WHO'S A PAST DIRECTOR OF DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR OUR ORGANIZATION. UH, FURTHER, JULIE MOORE, THE CURRENT DIRECTOR OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, ALSO SUBMITTED A SET OF WRITTEN COMP COMMENTS. UH, WE WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO REJECT THESE CURRENT PROPOSALS AS PRESENTED. THEY REPRESENT A FAILURE OF THE DEVELOPER TO PROPERLY APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP IS MELISSA STERN. STERN FILLS. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, CAN I PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN? SURE. DOCUMENT CAMERA, PLEASE GET IT. OKAY. UM, SO MY NAME IS MELISSA STERNFELD. I'M THE FORMER DIRECTOR FOR THE DEEP RESTRICTIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR LIVE AT THE 700 BLOCK. THIS IS A PHOTO FROM THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS GUIDELINES, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT HOUSE IN KIND OF GRAY. THAT'S MY HOUSE. SO I'M THE POSTER CHILD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROUD TO BE, AND IN FACT, THAT'S THE BLOCK FACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, COINCIDENTALLY. UM, SO AS I SAID, I LIVE AT 714 EUCLID ON THE SAME BLOCK AS 728 EUCLID, AND I'M AROUND THE CORNER FROM 29 24 WATSON. UM, WHILE ALL OF THE BLOCKS AND ALL THE HOUSES AND ALL THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE WORTHY OF PROTECTION, WE WOULD SAY THAT THIS HOUSE AND THIS BLOCK IS THE BELLWETHER. WE ARE LITERALLY THE BLOCK FACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THE PLAN TO BUILD TWO SLAB ON GRADE SPEC HOUSES ON WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SINGLE LOT SINCE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE PROPOSED THIS PROPOSAL VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES AND IS FUNDAMENTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE SCALE, CHARACTER, AND FABRIC OF OUR STREET. TO FIT TWO HOUSES, THE DEVELOPER SEEKS REDUCE SETBACKS, ATTACH GARAGES, SLAB, FOUNDATIONS, AND EXTRA HEIGHT, UH, FEATURES THAT CREATE THE LOOK OF A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND IT DISREGARDS THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF OUR BLOCK. THESE CHANGES DON'T BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY MAKES US SOLELY TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT FOR A DEVELOPER WHO BOUGHT SUBJECT TO THE VERY RESTRICTIONS THAT IT BEGS FOR YOUR, UH, UH, RELIEF FROM BEYOND DESIGN. THIS PROJECT RE CREATES REAL PROBLEMS. SLAB SLAB FOUNDATIONS WILL WORSEN WATER WA RUNOFF AND FLOODING ON THE STREET THAT ALREADY SEES KNEE LEVEL WATER DURING HEAVY RAIN. AND THESE HOUSES ARE PLANNED FOR A BUSY CORNER WHERE I 10 AND I 45. TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY BEING DIVERTED. AND NOW FOR THE, AND FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THIS IS GONNA COMPOUND, UH, CONGESTION AND SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AT EUCLID AND WATSON. HOMEOWNERS HAVE TAKEN TIME FROM OUR BUSY DAYS TO COME BEFORE YOU TO BRIGHT COMMENTS TO FOLLOW ALONG AS THERE WAS THE REPL. OH, MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER. MORE TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. C SMITH. ALL IN FAVOR OF GRANTING MORTY. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU CAN PROCEED. THANK YOU. AND I'LL, UM, BUT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PROTECT OUR HOMES. THE DEVELOPER IS HERE. HE IS ASKING YOU TO PROTECT HIS MONEY. WE WANNA PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. ALLOWING THIS PROJECT WOULD SET A DESTRUCTIVE PRECEDENT THAT UNDERMINES THE PRESERVATION INTENT ESTABLISHED IN 2011 [01:35:01] AND REAFFIRMED BY EVERY HOMEOWNER SINCE AND EVERY PERSON WHO HAS PURCHASED ON THIS BLOCK, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPER TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR BLOCK FACE AND TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR HOMES. SO PLEASE JOIN THE RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT THE 700 BLOCK OF EUCLID AND TELLING THE DEVELOPER, NO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGN UP IS ADAM TURNER. HEY, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS NOT AN EASY JOB. THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THE PAPERWORK. UM, NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS EVER EASY. UH, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THE PAST TWO SPEAKERS. UM, WE'RE REALLY HERE TO ENSURE THAT ANY HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT THAT CAN POTENTIALLY SQUASH TWO HOUSES ONTO ONE LOT. RIGHT. UM, I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS WITH THE PLANS AS THEY STAND AND I'VE GOT SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION TO BACK IT UP, SO I FIGURED THAT'D BE THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH EVERYONE. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I SURE. SHOW, UM, SCROLL DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO SCROLL THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. UM, THIS IS THE, THE PRESERVATION MANUAL AS IT IS ONLINE, UM, STATES IN REALLY CLEAR LANGUAGE, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. AND THERE ARE TWO POINTS THAT I THINK THERE'S KIND OF A EGREGIOUS, UM, DISAGREEMENT WITH THE ACTUAL PLANS. THE FIRST IS A SETBACK, UM, AND THE SECOND IS THE, THE GARAGE SITUATION. UM, SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THE, THE SETBACK FIRST, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THE CURRENT PLANS HAVE, UH, 15 FOOT SETBACK TO THE PORCH, 20 FOOT SETBACK TO THE HOUSE. UM, THERE'S ALSO, THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF GOING AND MEASURING ALL OF THE, THE SETBACKS ON THAT SIDE OF THE, THE BLOCK. IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 26 FEET SETBACK ON THAT BLOCK FACE. SO THAT 15 FOOT IS A HUGE DISRUPTION. IT'S NOT AT ALL CONSISTENT. AND THAT 15 FEET TO THE PORCH, IF WE LOOK AT THE BLOCK FACE, UM, YES, I, I HAD THE SAME PICTURE MELISSA DOES HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT BLACK FACE IS SO COOL, BUT IT'S THE, THE 26 FEET IS TO THE FIRST ROOF LINE, WHICH IN MANY CASES HERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, THE PORCH BEING THAT FIRST ROOF LINE. UM, ESPECIALLY THERE'S A, LET'S SEE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, 700 EUCLID. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT CUTOUT, WHICH IS ALL PORCH RIGHT THERE. AND THAT ACTUALLY, UH, HERE WE GO. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE NICE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAD DONE THAT SHOWS THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY FACTORED IN MOTION TO EXTEND TIME. OH, SORRY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PLEASE PROCEED, SIR. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M, I'M USUALLY NOT VERY VERBOSE, SO THIS IS, UH, WEIRD FOR ME TO GO OVER TIME. UM, BUT SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S REALLY THAT 26 FEET GOES BACK TO THE, THE, UH, PORCH, NOT TO THE, THE FIRST ROOF LINE. HE'S GOT 15 AND 20 TO THE, TO THE, UH, BUILDING. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK EITHER WAY. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY ALL AGREED ABOUT THAT. UM, JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO HERE. THIS IS THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING, UM, IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 7 0 2 EUCLID. AND THOSE PLANS GOT APPROVED WITH THE, THE CAVEAT THAT THEY GOT PUSHED BACK TO 26 FEET. UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN REVISED PLANS. HE HAS 25 FEET TO THE PORCH, 30 FOOT TO THE BUILDING. UM, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE, HERE. IT WOULD REQUIRE A COMPLETE REDESIGN AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. HE IS TRYING TO CRAM TWO HOUSES ON ONE LOT. AND SO IT'S GONNA BE REALLY TOUGH TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S PUSHED ALL THE BOUNDARIES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, THE REST OF THE, THE LOT. UM, THANK YOU. THE GARAGE STINKS. THANK YOU. OH, UH, I ALSO HAVE A, SORRY, I'VE GOT A, A PETITION HERE SIGNED BY ALL THE NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THE SAME THING. SO YOU CAN KEEP THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MR. MONICA, UH, YOU ARE AFFORDED, UM, A SECOND CHANCE TO SPEAK. UH, WELL, WELL FIRST LET ME JUST ASK, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND UM, STATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE AND THEN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. HI, MY NAME'S AMELIA WILLIAMS. I AM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE HOUSE THAT'S BEING, UM, UP FOR AN APPLICATION TODAY. I ECHO WHAT EVERYONE HAS ALSO SAID, SO I'M NOT GONNA REITERATE THE SETBACK ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS HOME. UM, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD, ANTHONY SAID TO US, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS MY JOB. I'M HERE TO DO MY JOB AND I WANNA RESPECT THAT AS LONG AS HE'S FOLLOWING ALL OF THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE PUT FORTH WITH THIS COMMISSION PRESENTATION MODE. PLEASE ECHOING THAT. JUST RECENTLY AT 7 0 2 EUCLID, IT WAS, UM, STATED THAT IT NEEDED TO BE A 25 FOOT SETBACK. I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT REQUIRED IN THIS SITUATION. UM, BUT JUST HERE TO KIND OF STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO OUR FAMILY AND, UM, ALL OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE KEEP THE [01:40:01] CHARACTER AND, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO KEEP THE CHARM ALIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MONICA, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ANTHONY MONACO. OKAY. I GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE 'CAUSE THAT WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS. UH, 'CAUSE PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE. OKAY. TO START, UH, I DID BEFORE THE REPL, BUT THAT DOES NOT MATTER IN THIS SITUATION, BUT WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT. 15 FOOT BUILD LINES, 19 FOOT GARAGE BUILD LINES. THIS IS A, UH, HARRIS COUNTY DOCUMENT. IT'S RECORDED, IT'S A LEGAL TENTED DOCUMENT. THIS IS A ZOOM IN VERSION FOR SEVEN TWO AT EUCLID. AGAIN, IT WAS IN A MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THIS LOT IS STILL LARGER THAN THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. FOLLOWING ALL RULES, AGAIN, THIS IS POINT OF THIS MEETING IS TO UNDERSTAND AND EVALUATE. DESIGN COMPATIBILITY HAS NOTHING TO DEAL DO WITH THE LOT SIZES, EVERY ESSENTIAL RESPECT, SCALE, FORM, MATERIALS, WINDOW PATTERNS, ROOF FORMS AND SITE DESIGN HAS MET ALL EXPECTATIONS AND, UH, FIT FOR THE HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. ALRIGHT, THAT GO OFF. I WAIT FOR THIS TO COME BACK. NO, IT'S IN THE BACK, BACK HERE. THERE'S LIKE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. MM-HMM . AND THE, CAN I PAUSE MY TIME? THERE WE GO. THAT'S THE REPORT. IT'S NOT US IN THIS ROOM, NOT US. PERFECT. SURE. SOMEONE'S NOT SABOTAGING. YOU HAVE A BREATHER? YEAH. SHOULD I STILL TALK TO SO I CAN GET THIS? YOU, YOU MAY, YES. OKAY. JUST, I MEAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LOT LONGER THAN ME. UM, BUT THE, I MEAN, 20 FOOT SETBACK IS VERY NORMAL FOR HEIGHTS. HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT DESIGN. MOST OF 'EM ARE, ARE 20 FOOT, MOST ARE EVEN 15 FOOT. UM, I REALLY WANTED TO SHOW THIS BECAUSE THIS, I SURVEYED THE ENTIRE BLOCK OF EUCLID. JUST TO UNDERSTAND IF NEIGHBOR CORRECT, IT CAN PASSED, IT CAN BE PASSED AROUND THE BENCH, I BELIEVE. YEAH, SURE. SO THERE'S A CLAIM THAT IT'S 26 FOOT. SO FIRST OFF, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND CONTEXT AREA. CONTEXT AREA. I AM ON THE CORNER AND I'M NON-CONTRIBUTING. THE CONTEXT AREA IS BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THIS IS ALL THIS IS DONE BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR. I CAN SEND YOU A SURVEY. NU NUMBER NOT MAKING ANYTHING UP. THESE HOUSES ARE AT 10 FEET. THERE'S 10 FOOT, THERE'S 15 FOOT. THIS SHOWS ALL OF THEM. I AVERAGE AMOUNT, I THINK IT'S FROM NINE TO 10 FEET. UM, AND THE REASON IS 'CAUSE THOSE ARE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP LOTS. YEAH. SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE SOUTH DO HAVE A DEEPER, BUT THAT'S THEIR CHOICE, RIGHT? PEOPLE NEED UNDERSTAND THAT NEIGHBORHOODS BACK IN THE DAY WERE BUILT BASED ON DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND THEN THE HISTORIC COMMUNITY WAS CREATED AFTER. RIGHT? SO PEOPLE BUILT BASED ON DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO EVERYTHING WAS FOLLOWED BASED ON DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY. STILL, WHILE FOLLOWING ALL THE HISTORIC RULES, UH, LEMME KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT I DO WANNA SHOW THAT ON THE SCREEN WHEN I CAN. 'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THAT. UM, THAT IS WHY WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE CAME UP WITH THE 20 FOOT AS A COMPROMISE. INSTEAD OF ME GOING 15, I, I WANT THE 20 TO TRY TO MAKE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN 26 AND 15 AND EVEN 10. I MEAN, THE NORTH SIDE EUCLID IS, IT'S CLEAR, YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE. IT'S 10 FEET. UM, THERE'S NEIGHBORS HERE WHO ARE SAYING 26, I HAVE A SURVEY OF THEIR HOUSE ON THIS DOCUMENT. SO, UH, THAT IS NOT TRUE. FOUNDATION WISE, WE'RE DOING TWO, TWO FEET UP. WE'RE NOT DOING, THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY SLAB ON GRADE, BASIC LEVEL HOUSE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TWO FEET UP. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL SEEN IT. IT'S BEEN DONE DOZENS OF TIMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT A BIG DISCUSSION POINT. HEIGHT COMPATIBILITY. THERE WAS COMMENTS ABOUT RIDGE HEIGHT. WE'RE AT 32 4. THE HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS AT 36. UM, I'M WELL WITHIN THAT, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED AT I THINK 38. I DROPPED IT ALL THE WAY DOWN. WE MESSED WITH ROOFS. WE GOT DOWN TO 32 AGAIN, I BELIEVE YOUR COMMISSION APPROVED 7 0 2 EUCLID, UH, LAST MONTH. THE COA SAYS THAT ONE WAS AT 32 ALSO. SO I BELIEVE THE RIDGE HEIGHT IS COMPATIBLE CONCLUSION ACROSS ALL VISUALLY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS, SETBACK, HEIGHT, ROOF FORM, MASSING FOUNDATION APPEARANCES AND GARAGE LOCATION. THE PROJECT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND WHHD GUIDELINES. UH, I DID UNDER HEAR THAT COMMENT ABOUT IT'S A FRONT LOADING GARAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PRESIDENT WAS MISTAKEN OR DIDN'T SEE THE [01:45:01] DOCUMENTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S ON THE SIDE. IT'S A CORNER LOT. THAT'S HOW MOST HOUSES ARE IN THE HEIGHTS. THERE'S MULTIPLE ONES THAT DO HAVE ATTACHED CORNER LOTS. UM, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF ALL THOSE IF YOU WANNA SEE 'EM, BUT IT'S, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH, YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS TRUE. UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I COULD PASS THESE AROUND. I MADE A BUNCH OF TABLES AND CHARTS AND AND WHATNOT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER THOSE TO, SORRY ABOUT THIS. IT'S NOT, NOT WORKING. UM, OKAY, THERE'S THIS, THERE. WE HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER BLAKELY. I CAN LEAVE ALL THIS WITH YOU SO WE HAVE FURTHER. SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION. UM, WHAT DOES THIS DOTTED LINE REPRESENT? THAT, THAT THE DISTANCE SETBACK IS MEASURED OFF OF? THAT IS BASED ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE. THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. SO NOT LIKE THE SIDEWALK CURB. IT'S RIGHT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. I THINK IT'S ABOUT LIKE TWO INCHES FROM THE, THEY, THEY DID IT BASED ON SIDEWALK. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I DID IT. I PAID A SURVEY ON TOP OF IT. PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. OKAY. YOU DID PROPERTY LINE? WE DID PROPERTY LINE. YOU DID, OKAY. THEY DID PROPERTY LINE THIS, SO THE STREET IS ANOTHER 10 FEET OR SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THIS LINE, LIKE THE CURB, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE THE STREET STARTS. OKAY. AND THEN BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN YOUR PROPERTY ON THIS OR HAVE YOU YEAH. AND THAT WAS A GOOD, ANOTHER THING IS I HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT. UM, NO, I MEAN JUST, I I CAN'T HANDLE TOO MANY DOCUMENTS, BUT I AM WONDERING WHAT IS THE NUMBER FOR YOUR PROPOSAL IF MEASURED THIS WAY? IF MEASURED THAT WAY? YEAH. LIKE WHERE I WANNA PUT MY PROPERTY. YEAH, WHAT ARE YOUR PROPOSING? I MEAN, BASED ON THAT I COULD, I SHOULD TECHNICALLY GO TO 15 AND THEN PUT THE PORCH IN FRONT. LIKE THOSE HOUSES ALL DID. WHAT WOULD, IF YOU PUT YOURS ON THIS DRAWING, WHAT WOULD THE NUMBER BE OF YOUR, OF YOURS? IT WOULD MEAN THIS ONE IT WOULD BE 20 FOOT. YEAH. IT'D, IT'D BE 20 FOOT. SO I'M GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE. I WAS TRYING TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE TO SHOW THAT I AM MEETING ALL THIS CRITERIA. I'M GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND PUSHING MY HOUSE FURTHER BACK THAN ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH SIDE. OKAY, SO YOURS WOULD BE LIKE HERE, LIKE, CORRECT. YES. THAT, THAT HOUSE IS VERY, THAT'S THE CORNER HOUSE. IT HAS A WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT WAS APPROVED I THINK YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE AT 10 FEET. SO MY, I'M EVEN FIVE OR 10 FEET BACK FROM THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE SOURCE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WAY YOU SEE THE SETBACK AND THE, I MEAN THE SETBACK IS OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? SO WHY, WHY DO YOUR NEIGHBORS FEEL THAT YOURS IS FARTHER FORWARD? IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ACTUALLY FARTHER BACKWARD? MAYBE THEY DIDN'T MEASURE IT. THAT'S WHY I PAID A LICENSED SURVEYOR TO MEASURE IT. SO THERE WAS NOT AN OPINION IN IT. IT WAS JUST, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF YOU HAD INCLUDED YOURS ON HERE. I, I HAVE ALL OF THEM. OKAY. SO ALL, IT WAS JUST TOO BIG A BLOCK. IF YOU ONE THAT SHOWS ALSO YOURS, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT ONE TOO. OKAY. I CAN SEND THAT. AND ALSO, I MEAN MY FRONT PORCH RIGHT NOW, IS IT 14.8 FEET? MY CURRENT HOUSE THAT IS ON THE EXISTING, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO IF I CHOSE NOT TO DEMO THAT AND DID A REHAB, I'M AT THE SAME DISTANCE AS WHAT I'M PROPOSING. YEAH. 14 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH, WE CAN, OH, NICE. WE CAN TRY. IT'S ON THE SCREEN. IT'S ON THE SCREEN. OH YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH, SEE I'M AT 15 TWO FIRST THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CORNER HOUSE? I THINK THE QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE THE LAYOUT FOR THE BLOCK FACE THAT YOU'RE ON THAT THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S THE, THIS WHAT WAS PASSED AROUND IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SURVEYS? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE MY SPECIFIC ONE. SO PUT ALL OF THEM TOGETHER, WHICH IS THE, THAT'S, THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT MATTERS THE MOST I THINK IN THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH, I WOULD PASS THIS AROUND. I MEAN THIS IS BECAUSE I MEAN IT COULD, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO SAY, OKAY, KEEP WITH THE EXISTING SETBACK OF THE NON-CONFORMING EXISTING. IF Y'ALL GO TO PAGE 12 AND 13 OF THE STAFF REPORT, I ALSO HAVE FROM, UH, HOUSTON MAP VIEWER WHERE STAFF HAD GONE THROUGH AND MEASURED FROM EACH CORNER OF ALL THE EXISTING HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, FACE BOTH SIDES. UM, AND TOOK THE AVERAGES BASED ON MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WITH THIS, THE NEXT PAGE, IF YOU'LL GO THERE, IT SHOWS IT ALL BROKEN DOWN FOR THE AVERAGE TOTALS BY THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT 7 28 IS ON. I DID IT BY CONTRIBUTING HOUSES, NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSES AND ALL COMBINED PER SIDE. AND THEN ALL COMBINED, YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THAT UM, FOR BOTH OF THEM COMBINED THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSES, THE AVERAGE WAS 18.91 FEET FOR BOTH OF THEM NON-CONTRIBUTING. IT'S 19. ALL OF THEM COMBINE. YOU'RE AT 18.84. SO THAT'S WHERE STAFF CAME UP WITH THE 20 FOOT. NOT BASED ON JUST THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE IF YOU DO LOOK AT JUST THE SOUTH SIDE, IT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BLOCK FACE [01:50:01] ALL TOGETHER AND CONSIDER ALL DIFFERENT ONES. AND IF YOU ARE COMPARING IT TO ONLY THE CONTRIBUTING, IT'S STILL FARTHER BACK THAN 18.91. IT'S AT 20 FOOT TWO AND A HALF. YES. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET MM-HMM . UM, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE THERE? SO I SURE ITS IN THERE, BUT 51 SQUARE, SORRY, 151 BY 50, WHICH COMES OUT TO, I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT MATH. SIX, SIX LOT ON FIVE PAGE BEFORE SQUARE FOOT. LOTS ON THE SIDE. YEAH. I DIDN'T HAVE THE AVERAGE OF THE LOT SIZES, BUT THE PAGE BEFORE THAT I DO HAVE FOR EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, IT HAS THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS LISTED RIGHT. JUST AS H CD LISTED. SO CONSIDERABLY LARGER, LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE I THINK IS A COMPONENT TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT SETBACKS. YES. UM, I, WELL THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT, THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO BUILD ON, UH, BACK IN THE DAY, I MEAN, ONE COULD SAY I, I THINK THE, THIS IS, I THINK WORTH DISCUSSING, BUT, UM, ONE COULD SAY THAT THE SETBACK IS, IS, IS BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR SORT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH RESPECT TO THE APPEARANCE OF SOMEONE STANDING ON THE STREET OR STANDING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. LIKE DOES IT CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE BLOG? AND IF YOU TAKE THAT POINT OF VIEW, THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SO IMPORTANT HOW FAR BACK, UH, HOW DEEP A LOT IS. WELL, A QUICK QUESTION, UH, MR. SEIDEL WAS YOUR POINT THAT ON LARGER LOTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY HAD DEEPER SETBACKS, PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE, THAN SMALLER LOTS THAT MIGHT HAVE CORRECT. MORE SHALLOW SETBACK DIMENSIONS? CORRECT. UH, JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, I, AND, AND IT APPLIES HERE ON THIS STREET, OBVIOUSLY. UM, I, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I, I HAVE TO GO FOR AN IMMOVABLE PRIOR COMMITMENT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. I FEEL LIKE I WANT THE, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO KNOW MY POSITION AND THAT I DO NOT TAKE ANY ISSUE WITH THE SETBACKS. UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A, UH, WE'RE IN THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A HARD AND FAST RULE WE'RE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME PRETTY GOOD CONSIDERATIONS ON THAT. I DO HAVE, UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SPEAKING IN GENERALITIES, I THINK IT IS, UM, I THINK IT'S ITEM TWO ON THE CRITERIA, UM, THAT I'M KIND OF TAKING ISSUE WITH THAT. WHAT, WHAT SORT OF DISCUSSIONS AND OR, OR UH, WORK WAS DONE IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, ESPECIALLY STREET FACING? BECAUSE THERE IS A, THERE IS A, A COMMENT IN HERE FROM STAFF RELATED TO A MORE, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT. CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? ABOUT WHAT MAKES IT A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OR JUST THE FEATURES THAT WERE BOTH INCORPORATED? YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, AS FAR AS IT BEING A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION, UM, IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE CONSIDER PRETTY MUCH ALL NEW CONSTRUCTIONS A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF EXISTING FEATURES THAT WOULD BE IN PROPERTIES IN THE CONTEXT AREA AND THE REST OF THE DISTRICT. UM, FOR THE DESIGN PAGE, IS THAT ON? SO FOR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, UH, PAGE 24 MM-HMM . THROUGH WHAT PAGE IS THAT? 24 THROUGH 32. UM, I DID INCLUDE IN THERE ALL THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS THAT THIS HAS GONE THROUGH, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONTEXT AREA. UM, AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, UM, THE WRAP PORCH, UM, AT FIRST OR SOME OF THE EARLIER, UM, VERSIONS OF IT, YOU KNOW, HAD A FULL WALL OF GLASS AND YOU KNOW, A SIDE PORCH THAT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PROMINENT THAT WAS BEING MISTAKEN AS A FRONT ENTRY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING IS HAVING, YOU KNOW, IT BE VERY CLEAR THAT THAT STREET FACING ELEVATION BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER THE [01:55:01] HOUSE. UM, THE TAPERED WOOD COLUMNS, IT'S A FEATURE THAT'S SEEN SIGNIFICANTLY MM-HMM . IN, YOU KNOW, SO MANY CRAFTSMAN ERA HOUSES. UM, WHAT ELSE? FENESTRATION HAVING IT BE SIMPLIFIED TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. UM, YEAH. DOES THAT KIND OF HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION? YES. . OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THESE VERSIONS. IS THERE IS ONE OF THESE BEING PROPOSED ACTUALLY, OR ARE? YEAH, SIX VERSION SIX. AND WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT JUST TO SHOW WE'VE BEEN TAKING FEEDBACK TO MEET THE GUIDELINES AND FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T WANNA BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN THE, THAT DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYONE, DOESN'T HELP NEIGHBORS, DOESN'T HELP ME. CAN YOU TALK, HELP CONSUMER ABOUT THE VERTICAL SIDING? THAT SEEMS LIKE A FEATURE THAT'S THE BOARD AND BATTEN, I JUST SEE WIDELY SPACED VERTICAL LINES. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YES. THAT WAS, UH, MEANT TO BE THE BOARD AND BATTEN DETAILING. IS THERE A RATIONALE FOR CHOOSING THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS SORT OF HORIZONTAL SIGHTING, UM, ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTER, PART OF THAT CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY MIMICKING BUT STILL VISUALLY COMPATIBLE. AND FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, I THINK YOU ALL FOCUSED ON THIS WRAPAROUND PORCH AS A, AS A, AS A A RECESSIVE ELEMENT THAT RIGHT TO, UM, BLEND INTO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM . THAT'S CORRECT. MY, MY QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF IS IF WE COULD LOOK BACK AT YOUR SETBACKS ON THE DRAWING THAT YOU DID THAT SHOW THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. I, I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THE PREVAILING SETBACK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. YES. OKAY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE IN THIS DRAWING IS THE, IS THE, IS EXISTING HOME THAT'S TO BE REMOVED, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM . SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE PREVAILING SETBACK ON THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU DRAW A LINE LIKE ACROSS THE EXISTING HOUSES, UM, AN AVERAGE YEAH. WHERE THEY ARE. SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT LINE REP, UM, COMPARE TO EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THE NEW PROPOSED, UM, CONSTRUCTION? RIGHT. SO, UM, SAM IF YOU CAN GO TO PAGE FIVE. I HAVE A PERSPECTIVE DRAWING FROM THE STREET AND THAT BOTTOM ONE, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN PLEASE. I HAVE A TAPE MEASURE GOING TO THE, THAT'S 20 FOOT FROM THE SIDEWALK. IT'S, I'M SORRY, IT'S VERY SMALL. SO IF YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE IPAD, BUT THAT IS SHOWING WHERE THAT, UM, FRONT MOST WALL WOULD BE FOR THE PORCH? NO, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, UM, ACTUAL LIVING WALL. AND THEN THE FRONT PORCH WOULD BE ANOTHER FIVE, SIX FEET. BUT THE, THE FRONT PORCH WOULD BE WHERE BASICALLY THE FRONT PORCH IS NOW. BUT THE, UM, MY QUESTION IS I GUESS PART OF THE, SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS WHO TALKED ABOUT A DEEPER SETBACK ON THIS BLOCK FACE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET, LIKE, LIKE WHETHER EITHER TO THE PORCH OR TO THE FRONT MASK. THIS IS A NON CONTRIBUTING HOME. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTRIBUTING HOMES MM-HMM . AND WHAT THAT PREVAILING SETBACK IS. AND IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IS SLIGHTLY DEEPER PER YOUR SPREADSHEET. MM-HMM . LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THERE'S 20 FEET WHEN IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK THAT NUMBER WAS AROUND 24 OR, OR FOR THAT SIDE. YEAH. THE SOUTH SIDE IS DEEPER, BUT BASED ON ALL THE RULES, IT'S A CONTEXT AREA. SO WE CREATED AN AVERAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THE NORTH SIDE WAS 10 FOOT, THE SOUTH SIDE WAS 26, 25 ISH. WE CAME UP WITH THE AVERAGE THAT KIND OF FIT WHAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE TO HIS POINT, YEAH, LARGER LOTS YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUSH YOUR HOUSE. I MEAN, RIVER OAKS IS A HUNDRED FEET BACK. THESE, THESE LOTS ARE PRETTY BIG. THIS ONE IS STILL A LARGE LOT. UM, THEY'RE NOT TOWN HOMES. THESE ARE, THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR FAMILIES. UM, SO I, WE THINK THE AVERAGE OF THE 20 FOOT IS A VERY GOOD COMPROMISE FOR EVERY AVERAGE IS OUT 25, RIGHT? POINT SIX. YEAH. AND THEN THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSE ON THAT SIDE, WE'RE 26.66. THE EXISTING HOUSE IS NON-CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALTERED BEYOND. BUT, BUT DOES IT, IT IS AN OLD HOUSE THAT HAS CORRECT. PINNED, CLAD AND BRICK. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . AND SO [02:00:02] ONE COULD ASSUME THAT IT'S IN ITS ORIGINAL POSITION ON THE SITE. THE, I MEAN, YES. UM, I MEAN WHERE'S, AND SO THAT SETBACK, THE EXISTING SETBACK IS WHAT? A LITTLE IS 23 SOMETHING. I CAN'T, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED SO I CAN'T, ITS FRONT BOARD ALL THE WAY UP TO 14.8 ON THAT DRAWING THING. YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THE HOUSE FRONT, THE FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE IS AROUND 20 FEET. THE EXISTING THE EXISTING. SO, SO THIS HOUSE WAS ALREADY, I MEAN, IF WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS IN THE FOOTPRINT WHERE IT WAS BUILT MM-HMM . IT WAS ALREADY PROJECTED THE CLOSEST FARTHER FORWARD TO THE SIDEWALK THAN THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ON THAT BLOCK FACE. SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THIS HOUSE IS, IS OLD AND NOT LIKELY WAS NOT MOVED FORWARD AT SOME POINT. RIGHT. SO TO LOOKING TO THE SURVEY OF THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE FRONT WALL, ONE SIDE IS 23 6 AND THE OTHER IS 23 9 AND THEN TO THE PORCH 14.8. 14.8, THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS ZOOM AND DRAWING HAVE CONTEXT AREA. SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF TABS IN HERE. DIFFERENT TAB. THE UM, YEAH, NO PAGE WHERE IT HAS THE TOTALS. I THINK IT'S 13. OH NO, WAIT, NO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ZOOM IN THAT ONE. I WANT EVERYONE UNDERSTAND I AM TRYING TO COMPROMISE WITH EVERYTHING. I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN LAST WEEK, I THINK YOU GUYS SIGNED OFF ON SOMETHING TO PUT IN WOOD CLOUD WINDOWS WHEN I, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE RECENTLY THAT WERE VINYL. I'M SPENDING DOUBLE THE MONEY FOR WOOD CLOUD WINDOWS. I WANT TO DO, I WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. I WANNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT. UM, BUT THE SETBACKS, THIS IS A, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WORKED ON A LONG TIME TO CREATE THESE AVERAGES TO EVEN DURING THE REPL PROCESS INTO IT. YEAH. I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR, UH, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR IS THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT THE RE-POTTING PROCESS IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS FROM THIS COMMISSION. AND I KNOW GENERICALLY, UH, THERE ARE MINI MINIMAL BUILDING SETBACKS FOR CARPORTS AND GARAGE DOORS AND FRONTS OF HOMES. BUT THOSE DIMENSIONS, UM, DON'T APPLY TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WHICH THEY'RE PREVAILING SETBACKS AGAIN, IS WHAT, IS WHAT, UM, OVERRIDES THOSE MINIMUMS. UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, WE HAVE THIS USE, THIS IS A USE THAT IS NOT COMMON BECAUSE I, I CAN'T, IMA I, I DON'T RECALL BEFORE SEEING THESE BLOCKS BROKEN IN HALF. UM, I THINK THAT THE SIDE STREET IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STREET THAN THE, THAN THE MORE FRONT STREET THAT HAS MORE GARAGE FACING IS MORE LIKE A SERVICE STREET. IT APPEARS, IT, IT, THE CHARACTER ON THE SIDE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FRONT, LET'S SAY FOR THIS SUBJECT LOT. UM, AND WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHATEVER THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS BEFORE IT WAS MODIFIED ALSO APPEARED TO BE SLIGHTLY FURTHER CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK EVEN WHEN IT, WHEN EVEN ON THE SAND BOARD. SO, UM, BUT CAN YOU JUST, UH, ADVISE US ON, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS STILL A PREVAILING SETBACK OR, OR THE A COMMON, A COMMON, UM, DIMENSION OF WHAT THE, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WERE IS HOW WE'VE ALWAYS USED THIS TO CREATE THAT METRIC OR TO DRAW, TO DRAW A LINE. UM, AND WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE LINES OF THE PLAT. THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT DROVE THE PLAT DIMENSION FROM HARRIS COUNTY. YEAH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE, THE PLATS THAT'S JUST BASED ON REGULAR HOUSTON CODE AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, I MEAN I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO LEGAL TO KNOW WHICH TRUMPS WHICH I, I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD IT'S THE, FOR STOR PROPERTIES. IT'S THE PREVAILING HISTORIC SETBACK IS WHAT, AND, AND OFTEN, LIKE FOR MANY PROPERTIES, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SETBACK ON, ON WHICH YOU ALIGN IS, IS, IS, IS A GREAT CONSEQUENCE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, BUT, BUT THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THIS LOT THAT THE STRUCTURE ON PER THE SANBORN WAS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE, TO THE STREET THAN THE OTHER HOMES ON THIS FACE, ON THE SOUTH, SOUTH SIDE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WHERE THAT STRUCTURE WAS BUILT HAS SOME RELEVANCE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH WHAT'S THERE NOW MAY BE A DIFFERENT ITERATION OF THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. CHAIR, CHAIR. BUSICK, I BELIEVE. AND GARCIA, UH, SOME OF THE PROBABLY PROJECTS IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE, UM, THE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE DETERMINED BY THE ORDINANCE. SO IF IT'S A HISTORIC ORDINANCE OR IF IT'S A, UH, PNC, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION ORDINANCE, UM, THAT SEEMED TO TRUMP WHATEVER THE, THE PLAT HAD. AND JUST [02:05:01] FOR REFERENCE, I JUST PUT ON THE DOCUMENT CAMERA THE, UM, PARTICULAR BLOCK FACE. THIS IS THE 1924 SANBORN. SO IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. UM, IT'S SLIGHTLY CLOSER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE BAY PROJECTION ON THE FRONT IS WHAT IS, IS, IS STICKING FORWARD OF THE, THE MAIN PORT LINE OF PORCHES. COMMISSIONER BLAKE, YOU A QUESTION? I ASK A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE WHO CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT I FOUND VERY COMPELLING THE POINT MADE BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT THE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE, UH, DETACHED GARAGES TOWARD THE BACK OF THE LOT. BECAUSE THAT IS SEEMS TO ME TO ACTUALLY TO IT TO BE A KIND OF DESIGN DECISION THAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO THINK OF THIS AS AN URBAN, UH, APPROACH, UH, VERSUS THE ATTACHED GARAGE BEING A SUBURBAN, UH, APPROACH. I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THAT GOES, BUT I DO NOTICE THAT MOST OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THESE BLOCKS HAVE THE SORT OF SEPARATE STRUCTURE NEAR THE BACK OF THE LOT AND THE CARS ARE THEN PULLED BACK. SO THAT SEEMS THAT IT IS A KIND OF POTENTIALLY COMPELLING AESTHETIC ISSUE. BUT WHAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT IN DESIGN GUIDELINES SOMEWHERE? OR IS THAT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN A WAY THAT COULD BE ACTIONABLE FOR US? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISN'T ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE? SO I WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THE, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE NEVER ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THEY WERE IN DRAFT MODE. AND THEN, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES THERE TO HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I DID CONSULT WITH THE STAFF ON THIS PROJECT AND WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF CORNER LOTS. AND THERE THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT, PARTICULARLY ALONG WATSON, THAT WE HAVE APPROVED A LOT OF ADDITIONS WHERE THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE AND ENTERS OFF OF WATSON STREET. I MEAN, SO, SO IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON THING ALONG WATSON, UH, TO SEE THAT ARRANGEMENT THAT HELPS AT ALL . AND YES, IN THE NEXT, UH, ITEM THAT WE'LL SEE, I DO HAVE THAT FULL CONTEXT AREA OF GARAGES ALONG WATSON. SO I GOT THAT, UM, WISH ON THE SAND BOARD MAP THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SAME HOUSE OUTLINE. THAT'S NO, SO, SO THAT'S IN THE INVENTORY. THE ARCHITECTURAL TYPE THAT IS LISTED IS ALTERED BRICK BUNGALOW. IT HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED SINCE THEN. UM, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, IF YOU GO TO, AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOW A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE MM-HMM . IT CAN BE REMOVED. YES. YES. UM, PAGE SEVEN THROUGH PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE. 10 OF THE STAFF REPORT. I HAVE THE FULL BLA, UM, INFORMATION. AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN 1965, UM, A SMALLER BUNGALOW THAT IS WOOD CLAD. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY HAS TRANSITIONED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME. SO, UM, YES. THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SANBORN MAP IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ONE THAT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. THANK YOU. CLARIFICATION. UM, SO THE, THE AVERAGE SETBACK OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF ALL THE OTHER HOMES ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE BLOCK IS 26 FEET. CORRECT. STAFF AND WHAT'S, UM, YEAH. AND THE APPLICANT HAS PUT FORWARD AN APPLICATION FOR 20 FEET, THOSE 2020 FOOT, 2 7500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THOUGH. AND THAT I, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT SETBACK. SO CONTRIBUTING HOUSES ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET ARE AT 26 FEET. 26.66. OKAY. AND THE APPLICATION IS FOR 20, CORRECT? 20 FOOT TWO AND A HALF. OKAY. ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. WAIT, AND, AND WHICH IS WHERE THE CURRENT, NOW NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE IS SITTING AS WELL. UNDERSTOOD. UM, SECOND CLARIFICATION IS, UM, I'VE HEARD SLAB ON GRADE AND PURON BEAM. SO WHICH IS IT? SO IT'S A RAISED TO STAFF TO STAFF PLEASE. IT'S A RAISED SLAB WITH THE, UM, LATTICE TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT IS VISUALLY COMPATIBLE TO HAVE A PURON BEAM. OKAY. SO, SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A BE SO IT'S SLAB ON GRADE, UM, JUST A DIFFERENT STYLE OF SLAB ON GRADE. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I I THINK IT'S A STRUCTURAL SLAB IN ORDER TO BE, IF IT'S ELEVATED ABOVE THE GROUND, IT WOULD BE A STRUCTURAL SLAB. YES. IT [02:10:01] WILL BE TWO FEET ABOVE GROUND. UM, SO IT'LL EXACTLY, AND JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S A THICKER CONCRETE, UH, THICKER REBAR. IT, IT'S, IT'S MADE, IT'S NOT MADE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE GROUND, WHICH IS A SLAB ON GRADE, NOT TO BE CONFUSED BY A STRUCTURAL SLAB ON GRADE. MM-HMM . WHICH IS ANOTHER TYPE OF SLAB. BUT, UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT'S RAISED PURE AND BEAM EVEN THOUGH IT'S BUILT DIFFERENTLY, BUT FROM THE STREET THAT THAT IS THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. THAT'S THE INTENTION. YES. BUT THEN TO THE POINT THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT BEHAVE IN FLOODING CONDITIONS, THE WATER CAN GO UNDER THE HOUSE. RIGHT. YOU DO THE BEAM. SO WE'VE PROBABLY PUSHED THAT TO LIKE A CIVIL ENGINEER. 'CAUSE THE PUR BEAMS DO NOT DO, THEY DON'T MAKE FLOODING BETTER OR WORSE. THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF PURINE BEAM, RIGHT? YOU COULD, SOME PEOPLE DO ALL CONCRETE AND THEN THEY STACK IT ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH IN THE CASE OF THE SAME THING, UM, YOU SHOULDN'T BE COUNTING THE GROUND UNDERNEATH AS GIVING MORE PERMITT AREA. THAT'S HOW THE CIVIL CALCULATIONS ARE PERFORMED AT THE CITY. I THINK. WELL, OKAY, THERE'S TWO, TWO QUESTIONS. SO A, UM, YOU ARE PROPOSING A STRUCTURAL SLAB, BUT IT'S ELEVATED AND IT'S FILLED WITH VOID FORMS OR SUGAR SAND UNDERNEATH. SO IN, IN A SENSE, THERE IS NO VOID. CORRECT? THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPLYING A LATTICE TO GIVE THE ILLUSION OF A APPEARING BEAM. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TRADITIONAL STRUCTURAL SLAB IN THAT REGARD. THERE IS A SLIGHT AIRSPACE UNDER THE SLAB, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT. SO THAT THERE'S NO HEA I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN THOUGH, NOT FLOOD. SO THERE'S, THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH WATER GETTING UNDER THE HOUSE OR NOT GETTING UNDER THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN. THEREFORE THERE'S NO STORAGE ISSUE THAT TO THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD'VE TO CONTEND WITH. UM, AND WE HAVE ALLOWED IN THE EAST AND THE HEIGHTS, WE HAVE ALLOWED A FEW THERE. THERE'VE BEEN A FEW OF THE APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE APPEARING BEAM BUT THEY'RE NOT APPEARING BEAM. YEAH, I THINK ALL THOSE PAST ONES THAT THE PAST ARCHITECT WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE ARE ALL THE SAME EXACT FOUNDATION TYPE. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT THE SAME. I'M TRYING TO, I DON'T WANNA REINVENT THE WHEEL, I'M JUST DOING THE SAME THAT EVERYTHING'S BEEN APPROVED BY. SO, UM, THAT WE NEED TO FIND SOME ACTION ON THIS PROJECT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS ANOTHER PROJECT BECAUSE THE ALLOT THAT HE DIVIDED HAS A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, SIM A SIMILAR STRUCTURE, BUT HIS DID IS DIFFERENT AND HIS CONTEXT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE REAR HALF OF WHAT WAS THE, A CONTINUOUS LOT. SO, UM, HERE, CAN YOU JUST FOR THE REPEAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FIND A MOTION ON SOME ACTION, UH, AND WE NEED TO THEN GO THROUGH THIS SAME CONVERSATION ON A VERY SIMILAR PROPOSAL FOR THE ADJACENT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. IS THERE A MOTION THAT A COMMISSIONER WOULD BRING FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. IS THERE A SECOND TO DENY? OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? BROWNING? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF COMMEND RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. GARCIA A SECOND. GARCIA A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION PLEASE? YES. YEAH. UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, UH, IS THE SETBACK. UM, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S EFFORT TO TRY TO REACH AN AVERAGE SETBACK IN HIS APPLICATION FOR WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. BUT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN A STREET IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AND THE AVERAGE SETBACK IS 26 FEET AND THE HIGH AND THE LOW, THEY'RE WITHIN JUST A COUPLE FEET OF EACH OTHER. SOMETHING THAT HAS, UM, ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE OF FEET WILL BE NOTICEABLE AND IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, A VIOLATION OF THE LOOK AND THE FEEL AND THE SPIRIT OF THAT BLOCK. AND THAT GETS TO COMPATIBILITY, WHICH I REALIZE FOR ALL OF US ON THE COMMISSION, COMPATIBILITY IS A GRAY AREA AND WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT COMPATIBILITY IS. AND FOR ME, WHEN THE SETBACK IS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING IS LARGER THAN ANYTHING LARGER THAN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET. I I'M TELLING YOU, YOU CAN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. SO I'LL BE A NO VOTE, BUT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO JOIN ME FOR THAT REASON. THEY CANNOT SAY, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER STREET [02:15:01] THAT HAD TWO DIFFERENT BLOCK FACE. I MEAN, TYPICALLY THIS IS, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL EITHER. USUALLY IF THEY ROLL ONE WAY ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, THEY ROLL THE SAME WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. SO THIS IS AN OUTLIER IN THAT REGARD. BUT I DO HAVE A MOTION. I DO HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE? UH, MR. BLAKELY A QUESTION FOR STAFF, I GUESS. SORRY, I KNOW IT'S DRAGGING ON AND ON. UM, WE TRY TO BE THOROUGH AND GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. TO SPEAK. SO I, I JUST WONDER IF, UM, A DESIGN WAS EXPLORED THAT MAINTAINED THE SETBACK OF THE CURRENT, UH, NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. STRUCTURE OR IF THAT'S LIKE IMPOSSIBLE, IF THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT THE HOUSE ON THE SITE. SO IT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, BUT WHEN IT CAME INTO TRYING TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND THEN GETTING INTO ALL OF THE DATA WE WERE TRYING TO COMPROMISE, TRYING TO SEE BASED ON THE AVAILABLE DATA, THE AVAILABLE STRUCTURES, THE ENTIRE PACKAGE OF IT, WHAT WAS GOING TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THAT 20 FOOT APPROVAL. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, THERE WAS NOT A DESIGN ACTUALLY DESIGNED AT THAT, UH, SETBACK. UM, I'M, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IF IT WOULD WORK OR NOT, SINCE I HAVE NOT SEEN IT TO REVIEW IT. UM, BUT BASED OFF OF THE AVAILABLE DATA THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. , IF I'M, IF MY DAD COMMISSIONER, UH, BUSICK, YES, THE, I I LIVE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM EUCLID AND, UM, I COMMENCE STAFF FOR THE, FOR THE EFFORT THAT THEY BAKED ON HIS FINDING ALL THIS HISTORY. AND THEN IN COMING WITH A, A COMMON, UM, CONTROL POINT, WHICH IS THE MAIN, MAIN FRAME. BUT IF YOU WALK DOWN UCL, EUCLID, YOU HAVE FOUR FOOT DEEP, FOUR FOOT DEEP PORCHES. YOU HAVE 12 FOOT DEEP PORCHES OR EIGHT FOOT DEEP PORCHES AT LEAST. UM, AND SOME MAY BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S, I I, COMMISSIONER BROBECK, I THINK YOU'RE, UM, AS YOU'RE CONCERNED IS PROBABLY VALIDATED IF IT'S, IF THAT CONTROL POINT IS AT THE HOUSE. BUT, UH, PART OF THE CHARACTER I THINK OF WOODLAND, OF WOODLAND HILLS IS THE ENTRANCES, ARE THE ENTRANCES AND THOSE, UM, THE PORCHES AND, AND I BET THERE ARE 10 DIFFERENT TYPE OF PORCHES ON 10 DIFFERENT STYLE OF PORCHES, WHICH ALL BLEND AND ARE COMPATIBLE WITH A HISTORIC FLAVOR OF THAT BLOCK. SO, UM, I, I THINK THE COMPROMISE AT 20 FOOT IS, IS A LITTLE MISLEADING. IF YOU'RE WALKING, IF YOUR CONCERN IS THE DEPTH FROM THE SIDEWALK, I I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S HARD TO FIND A, A STRAIGHT LINE ON THAT BLOCK. CAN I ADD ONE MORE COMMENT PLEASE? UH, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, UM, I WAS JUST INFORMED THAT I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, THEY DID TRY TO DO SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE DESIGN TO HAVE THAT SETBACK, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT FIT ON THAT LOT, UM, WAS TO COMPLETELY ROTATE THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN AT THAT POINT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FACING WATSON, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT BLOCK. SO IN AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THAT EUCLID FRONT ENTRANCE, UM, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS CONCLUSION. OKAY. I I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE DILIGENCE ON THE DEVELOPER'S PART AND ON YOUR PART. UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBORS FOR THEIR, UH, CARING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND HIS CHARACTERISTICS. AND I, I THINK FINALLY I WOULD SAY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND BECAUSE I THINK THE KIND OF CRITICAL MASS OF THIS BLOCK WILL BE CARRIED BY THOSE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. SO I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR APPROVAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? AYE. AYE. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? NAY? AYE. SO DAVIS COSGROVE FOUR. SO WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT COUNT? FOUR. AND, AND ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE WILL START THIS CONVERSATION ALL OVER, UM, [02:20:01] 2 9 2 4 WATSON STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DEJA VU , DO WE NEED A SECOND TO BREATHE? NO, WE NEED A MOVE FORWARD. , GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, STAFFERS AND KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM B SEVEN AT 2 9 2 4 WATSON IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A NON-CONTRIBUTING 5,670 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT FACING WATSON STREET. THE SITE WAS APPROVED FOR REPL BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON PLANNING COMMISSION TO SUBDIVIDE THE PREVIOUSLY 11,325 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT INTO TWO SMALLER PARCELS, NOW ADDRESSED AS 7 2 8 EUCLID AND 2 9 2 4 WATSON. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY WOOD FRAME, 3,960 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A 508 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED GARAGE. THE DESIGN FEATURES A PARTIAL WIDTH FRONT PORCH WITH SQUARE WOKE COLUMNS FACING WATSON. THE HOUSE WILL HAVE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL, AS WELL AS A BOARD AND BATTEN DETAIL THROUGHOUT THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE ATTACHED GARAGE. THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE WILL BE 32 FOOT TWO INCHES WITH A 30 FOOT SEVEN FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ATTACHED GARAGE. THE SETBACK FACING WATSON WILL BE 15 FOOT SETBACK TO THE FRONT PORCH AND 20 FOOT TO THE FRONT MOST WALL, AND 33 FOOT SEVEN INCHES TO THE GARAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND HAS MADE NUMEROUS REVISIONS TO THE PLANS BASED ON STAFF'S FEED FEEDBACK AND CONSULTATION WITH HHC COMMISSIONERS. AFTER MUCH DELIBERATION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE APPLICANT, STAFF RECOMMENDS A DEFERRAL IN AN EFFORT TO GAIN ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON WAYS TO IMPROVE THE CURRENT DESIGN AND SATISFY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION CRITERIA. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER GRANTING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS OPPOSED TO A DEFERRAL FOR THE PROPOSED FOR THE PROPOSAL TO AVOID FURTHER DELAY OF THE PROJECT AND NOT BE REQUIRED TO RETURN BEFORE THE HHC FOR A SECOND TIME. THE APPLICATION HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION FOR THE CURRENT DESIGN FROM THE PUBLIC VIA PRESERVATION TRACKER AND ONE VIA EMAIL, WHICH I HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC RECORDS CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT, TONY MONICA, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, ANTHONY MONACO, IF YOU CAN PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOR THIS. UM, THE, THE, THE SECOND LOT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANTHONY MONACO. I THINK THIS ONE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER. UM, DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. TO START. THIS ONE IS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT AREA, RIGHT? SINCE WE ARE FACING WATSON. SO THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE WILL LOOK LIKE. JUST WANTED TO GET EVERYONE TO SEE THIS. THE GARAGE IS PUSHED BACK PAST 50%. UM, IT'S NOT A MASSIVE PIECE. THAT'S WHAT WE WORKED ON THAT QUITE A BIT TOO. WE HAD FIVE ITERATIONS OF THIS ALSO GETTING THE GARAGES BACK FAR AS WE CAN. IT'S A 75 FOOT DEEP LOT. THE GARAGE IS PASSED 50%, WHICH IS, AGAIN, THAT'S HOW THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BILLED. THEY WERE BASED ON DEED RESTRICTIONS. DEED RESTRICTIONS. STATE GARAGE NEEDS TO BE 50% BEHIND OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO IT'S AT, IT'S AT 35 FEET. UM, AND THEN JUST TO SHOW ALSO, LIKE MY, MY GOAL IS TO COMPROMISE ON, ON EVERYTHING. THIS WAS RE PLATTED. THE BUILD LINE HERE IS 15 FOOT AND 20 FOOT. THERE IS NO CONTEXT AREA THAT STATES THAT THERE'S A 20 FOOT, 26 FOOT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EUCLID BLOCK. TECHNICALLY I CAN GO TO 15 FOOT IF I, I MEAN, JUST BASED ON CONTEXT HERE FROM WHAT I'VE TALKED TO, UM, THE DISTRICT ABOUT. BUT I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. SO I EVEN PUSH THIS ONE BACK TO THE 20 FOOT ALSO AND STILL ADHERE TO KIND OF THAT SAME HISTORIC HEIGHTS LOOK. UM, I KNOW, I'M SURE THE MAIN PART WILL BE ABOUT GARAGE PLACEMENT. AGAIN, WE PUSHED IT BACK. THAT'S WHY THE RENDERING IS SO IMPORTANT TO SHOW THAT YOU WON'T BE SEEING THE, THE GARAGE AS PUSHED FORWARD. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS A 75 FOOT WIDE LOT. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY OF THEM IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE SOME. I WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 5 0 1 WOODLAND STREET. YOU CAN LOOK ALL THIS INFORMATION UP. IT'S A 75 FOOT WIDE LOT AND THE HOUSE IS 58 FOOT WIDE. SO WE DID FIT THAT. THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UH, HEIGHT COMPATIBILITY, PROBABLY NOT REALLY A DISCUSSION EITHER. STILL AT THE 32, IT'S FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES THERE. UM, CONCLUSION, AGAIN, ACROSS ALL VISUALLY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS, SETBACK, HEIGHT, ROOF FLOOR, MASSING, FOUNDATION APPEARANCE, AND GARAGE [02:25:01] LOCATION. THE PROJECT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT. I FOUND MULTIPLE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE THE CARPORT OVER AND THEN PUSHED BACK. UH, THE GARAGE HAS PASSED 50%. WE HAVE THE LARGE, UM, PORCHES AND, UH, MATERIAL WINDOWS, ALL THAT ARE FOLLOWING THE COA RULES. SO THAT'S ALL FOR NOW UNTIL THE, I GUESS, REBUTTAL PROCESS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS MICHAEL GRAVES. OKAY, SURE. NOW I AM OF A CERTAIN AGE, SO I SAY TO YOU SECOND VERSE, SAME AS THE FIRST. A LITTLE BIT LOUDER, LITTLE BIT WORSE. UM, MY NAME IS MICHAEL GRAVES. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UH, CIVIC ASSOCIATION. I'LL BREAK INTO NOTE THAT I LIVE AT 3 3 0 4 AMP STREET. MY LOT IS 75 BY 110, AND MY GARAGE IS BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND I CAN PARK ALONGSIDE MY HOUSE OR I CAN PARK WHERE MY CAR CAN'T BE SEEN. AND SO I'M NOT GONNA READ THE SAME COMMENTS THAT I MADE EARLIER BECAUSE THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME. BUT THE COMMENT I MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE FORWARD POSITION OF THE GARAGE WAS THE ATTACHED GARAGE RELATIVE TO THIS WATSON PROPERTY. ATTACHED GARAGES ARE RELATIVELY ANOMALOUS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, THEY DO SPEAK TO A SORT OF A MORE OF A KATY KIND OF A WAY OF LIVING, UH, WHICH IS NOT WHERE WE ARE. SO, UM, YEAH, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IT. THANK YOU. UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MELISSA STERNFELD. UH, I'LL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF. UM, I, THE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE FOLKS ON THE SOUTH SOUTH SIDE OF 700 EUCLID, OUR HOMES WERE ALL BUILT BY THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER. UM, SO WE, WE ALL LIVE IN ORIGINAL HOMES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ORIGINAL TO THE DEVELOPER, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UM, I WANNA BE CLEAR THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS A DEVELOPER BOUGHT PROPERTY SUBJECT TO RESTRICTIONS, DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND IN A HISTORIC GUIDELINE AND MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER AND OUR INVESTMENT. WE HAVE INVESTED NOT MONEY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS. WE HAVE INVESTED WITH OUR LIVES. MY CHILD WENT TO TRAVIS ELEMENTARY, SHE WENT TO HOG, AND SHE NOW GOES TO CARNEGIE. ALL OF US, WE'VE ALL RAISED OUR FAMILIES HERE. WE PLAN TO DIE IN OUR HOMES. WE LOVE OUR HOMES, WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT NEW PEOPLE WANNA MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WELCOME THEM. BUT WHAT I DON'T APPRECIATE IS WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY DON'T HAVE A HOMEOWNER, THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO BUILD A HOME. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE MONEY. AND WHAT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IS MY INVESTMENT IN MY PROPERTY. ALL OF MY NEIGHBOR'S INVESTMENT IN THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR BEAUTIFUL GARDENS, THEIR BEAUTIFUL HOME. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A DEVELOPER WHO SPLIT A SINGLE LOT INTO TWO PLAT. HE RE PLATTED AND NOW HE'S COMPLAINING THAT HE CAN'T GET A BIG ENOUGH HOUSE ON THOSE TWO LOTS. THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE CAUSED. SO WHILE I'M VERY SORRY THAT EUCLID PASS, I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT ALLOW WATSON A VERY BUSY CORNER THAT DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER GARAGE FACING OUT ONTO IT WITH TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT AT A BUSY INTERSECTION. SO PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ADAM TURNER. HI. THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN FOR LETTING ME COME UP AND SPEAK. MY NAME IS ADAM TURNER, I'M JUST A NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET. UM, YEAH, THIS IS EVEN A MORE EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE OF I'S HOUSE THAN THE EUCLID HOUSE WAS, UM, THAT GARAGE ATTACHED AND UP TO THE FRONT LIKE THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES OF HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOOK LIKE THAT. MOST OF THEM WERE PASSED BEFORE THE HISTORIC PROTECTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE. UM, SOME OF THEM PASSED MORE RECENT THAN THAT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE RACING TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, RIGHT? WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE BUILD HOUSES THAT ARE MOST IN LINE WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT WE CAN. UM, THIS IS CLEARLY AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO BUILD. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST NOT A, A HOUSE THAT FITS IN WITH THE PROTECTED WOODLAND HEIGHTS AREA. UM, AND YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS NICK WILLIAMS. HELLO EVERYONE. UM, I, UH, OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS HOUSE. I AM THE ONLY PERSON WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHO OWNS PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. UH, I MISSED THE, THE FIRST, UH, ONE I WAS AT A MEETING. APOLOGIES, I DIDN'T MAKE A, I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT IT PASSED. UM, I'M SURE THAT WAS, WELL, UH, THOSE POINTS WERE WELL COVERED. UM, SO I WON'T GO OVER THEM AGAIN. UM, [02:30:01] BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ONE THING ABOUT THIS WATSON HOUSE THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EUCLID HOUSE. UM, AND THAT IS THE ATTACHED GARAGE THAT IS FRONT FACING SPECIFICALLY. SO THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, CITED SOME EXAMPLES IN THE APPLICATION OF OTHER ATTACHED GARAGES WITHIN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT NOTABLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS SIDE FACING THE, UM, WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGES ARE NOT PERMITTED. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE EXAMPLE, UH, OF ANY ERA OF A, AN ATTACHED GARAGE THAT IS FRONT FACING. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS TO THE APPLICANT'S KNOWLEDGE EITHER, BECAUSE I THINK HE PROBABLY WOULD'VE POSTED AN EXAMPLE OF IT IF HE DID. SO, UM, I WAS GLAD THAT HE, YOU KNOW, CITED THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE THEY ALSO DO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, POINTS ABOUT SETBACKS. I, YOU, YOU'VE ALL HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT POINT AND HOPEFULLY IS, UM, COMPELLING. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT HAS NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, NOT HEARING ANYONE? SO, UM, MR. MONICA. MONICA, YOU HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. UH, ANTHONY MONACO, I WANNA SAY THANKS TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR, UH, THEIR COMMENTS AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE WITH ALL FACTS. UH, AGAIN, THIS HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE EUCLID ONE, SO THIS MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, ARGUMENT HERE. 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO JUST STICK THE FACTS. EVERYONE, EVERYONE HERE PLEASE. UM, SO TO START THE BUILD LINE IS 15 FEET ON THIS CONTEXT AREA. I'M GOING TO 20. DO I KEEP CAMERA PLEASE? AND STATED THAT THERE'S NO FRONT LOADING GARAGES. HERE'S ONE EXAMPLE WITH THE CARPORT. THIS IS IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. I DROVE EVERY SINGLE LOT IN HISTORIC HEIGHTS DISTRICT. I KNOW WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT'S NOT TRUE. HE ALSO STATED THERE IS NO FRONT LOADING GARAGES. HERE'S EXAMPLE TWO HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING. THIS IS FRONT LOADING, ONLY 10 FEET OFF THE FRONT. I'M PUSHING MINE ALL THE WAY BACK HALFWAY PAST. ANOTHER EXAMPLE, 5 1 6 WOODLAND STREET, FRONT FACING GARAGE, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. THEY'RE EVEN DOING A REHAB ON THIS ONE. I THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT, UM, MEETING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. I THINK NEXT MONTH I SAW SOMEONE SUBMIT IT. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO PUSH OPINIONS AND FACTS. THINGS WERE STATED FROM NEIGHBORS. THOSE WERE OPINIONS, THEY WERE NOT ACTUALLY INVESTIGATED AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FIND THAT THERE ARE HOUSES WITH FRONT LOADING GARAGES. AGAIN, I DIDN'T EVEN DO A FRONT LOADING GARAGE. I PUSHED MY 50%. BACK TO THE SECOND POINT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS, YOU SHOULD DO THE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT THEM. BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I DO, I'M KIND OF A NERD WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS 'CAUSE I DO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS CLEARLY STATE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FRONT LOADING. IT'S 50% BACK ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS 75 FOOT, THEIRS IS 150. SO THAT'S WHY THEIRS IS ONE 50 DIVIDED BY TWO VERSUS MINE 75. 75 DIVIDED BY TWO IS 35. AND I PUSHED IT BEHIND THAT. SO I'M FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES HERE. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT I JUST WANT US TO TRY TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT. THERE'S TONS OF GRUDGES THAT ARE ATTACHED AND THERE'S TONS THAT ARE PUSHED BACK 50% IN THE CARPORT, UH, SITUATION. I THINK THAT IS IT. I, WELL, OTHER EXTENSIVE LISTS, I CAN ADD THAT TOO IF YOU WANT, BUT I MEAN I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS, THESE ARE EXAMPLES. THIS IS PROOF. I'M NOT LYING. ANYONE HERE CAN DRIVE TO THESE PROPERTIES AND SHOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A FACT. THESE AREN'T OPINIONS. SO I TOOK THE TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH. I HOPE YOU GUYS APPRECIATE THAT AND WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION RATHER THAN I GET THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION WITH NEIGHBORS, BUT I MEAN IT'S THE MINIMUM LOT THAT I WAS, 5,600 SQUARE FOOT IS A VERY LARGE LOT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW. I CAN'T AFFORD THAT. MOST PEOPLE CAN'T. I HAD TO SPLIT THE LOT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. MAYBE PRE COVID DAYS. A LARGE LOT IN ONE HOUSE WAS AFFORDABLE. BUT THE WAY THE WORLD'S GOING NOW, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE TO DO ONE HOUSE ON IT. IT HAS TO BE TWO. WHILST IT'S NOT TOWN HOMES, THERE'S STILL BIG HOMES. THEY'RE STILL $1.5 MILLION. I'D SAY AFFORDABLE RELATIVE FOR WOODLAND HEIGHTS, RIGHT? WHERE THESE ARE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? SO YES, THIS IS, I THINK I'VE PRESENTED ALL THE FACTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LEMME KNOW. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, COMMISSIONER HILL, I'M LOOKING ON, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE GARAGE IS HALFWAY BACK. PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE. SHOULD BE AT 35 FEET, LOT OF 75. SO THE GARAGE, THERE'S A CAR [02:35:01] PORT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I WAS SHOWING THE EXAMPLES OF THE CAR PORTS. THERE'S CARPORTS ALL IN THE FRONT NORMALLY. AND I EVEN PUSHED THIS BACKWARDS TO MAKE THAT LOOK RIGHT. RIGHT. SO 37 AND A HALF FEET, THAT'S ACTUAL GARAGE PART FALL IN THE GARAGE. BUT THE LINE PART IS PAST HALFWAY OF THE LOT. THE 50% MARK THAT'S AT THAT SECOND POINT. I MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. THINK CARPORT. IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET OF A CARPORT AND THEN THE ACTUAL GARAGE RIGHT THERE. SO 28 FEET, 11 INCHES PLUS FIVE AND A HALF FEET, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT WAS, THIS WAS OUR FIFTH AREA. WE KEPT PUSHING IT BACK AND BACK 'CAUSE I FIRST FOUND THESE EXAMPLES, THOUGHT WE COULD DO IT FORWARD. SO WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, I KEPT PUSHING IT BACK AND BACK AND BACK TO MAKE IT A HERE. AND THAT'S WHY THE RUNNING'S A VERY GOOD THING TO SHOW. WHAT'S HALF THE 75? 37 AND A HALF. OKAY. AND IT CAN WE ALSO PUT THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN UP ON THE SCREEN? I THINK IT'S 33 7. SO ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IS THAT A PORCH? 15%, RIGHT? YEAH. SO LIKE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, THE UPPER, THE SECOND FLOOR WALL ALIGNS WITH THE GARAGE DOOR BELOW. UH, WE NEED TO GO TO THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THAT, THAT SIDE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE GARAGE IS AND WHERE THE FRONT, THIS, THE GARAGE IS WHERE THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT SECOND FLOOR BEDROOM THAT GOES KIND OF STRAIGHT DOWN. RIGHT? AND THEN THAT DOTTED LINE IS THE CARPORT THAT'LL GO OVER IT, TRY AND EMULATE SOME OF THOSE EXAMS. CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 15? THE NORTH ELEVATION LEFT. UM, IT KIND OF GETS LOST WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT THAT BOTTOM, UM, ELEVATION THAT SHOWS WHERE THAT SECOND FLOOR IS. SO YES, IT'S ALL THE WAY BACK THERE. IF, IS THERE A MOUSE YOU CAN SHOW? IT'S KIND OF HARD 'CAUSE ALL THE VERTICAL SIDING RIGHT THERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL GARAGE IS BACK THERE. I MEAN IT'S 2020 FOOT BACK FROM THE ACTUAL FRONT PORCH. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH, I I I WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, BUT, UM, SO KARA, MY QUESTION IS, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROJECT THOUGH WAS DEFERRAL. AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU ALL, UM, DISCUSSED TRYING TO PUSH THE GARAGE TO THE BACK OF THE, OF THE LOT. UM, THERE'S SORT OF A, THERE THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN THERE, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED BEHIND THE GARAGE, WHICH IS FOR WHY IT'S PUSHED FORWARD. I I BELIEVE YOU MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ALSO LOOKED AT TRYING TO SEPARATE THE GARAGE OR SEPARATE THE GARAGE IN APPEARANCE THAT THAT IS TO SAY, TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF RESIDUAL SPACE BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE, AND THE PRIMARY HOUSE. EVEN IF AT SOME POINT THEY ACTUALLY CONNECT MM-HMM . BUT IF THAT CONNECTION IS FURTHER BACK, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE GARAGES FACING THE STREET BECAUSE THE REGULAR LARGER LOTS ARE, UM, ON A CORNER HAD SIDE FACING GARAGES. UM, IN THEORY THOSE LARGER LOTS THOUGH HAD A LOT SMALLER MASSING BEHIND THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE DETACHED GARAGES. AND SO THIS MASSING IS ATYPICAL OF THE REAR OF THE WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN 150 FOOT LOT. UM, BECAUSE THIS AGAIN IS AN OUTLIER NOW THAT IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS. AND SO IT'S A VERY WIDE HOUSE ALSO, I GUESS FOR ANY OF THE OTHER HOUSES, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN THE CONTEXT AREA IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT OR AS WE TURN THE CORNER BECAUSE IT'S RUNNING THE HOUSE IS AS ALMOST AS WIDE AS A LOT AS WIDE. HMM. UH, SO THIS HAS A LOT GOING ON AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, I I THINK THAT'S WHY YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS DEFERRAL IF, IS THERE, ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS TO THE COMMISSION SHOULDN'T BE AWARE OF IN THE DISCUSSIONS YOU'VE HAD? YEAH, SO, UM, WE DISCUSSED DURING DEFERRAL JUST SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COME TO THE COMMISSION AND ALLOW FOR ALL SORTS OF CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE ABOUT HOW WE CAN ADVISE THE APPLICANT TO MODIFY THE DESIGN. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN KEEPING, UM, RATHER THAN JUST STRAIGHT UP DENY IT. UM, BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH US. UM, IT WAS MORE SO JUST THE AVAILABILITY OF TIME. UM, AND WE FELT THAT WE TOOK THIS AS FAR AS WE COULD WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN AS FAR AS OUR, UM, REVIEWS THAT WE HAD. UM, I ALSO PULLED IN COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS. UM, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION THAT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ALL AVENUES ARE EXPLORED WITH THIS ONE. UM, SOME [02:40:01] OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, ABOUT THIS ARE THE LENGTH OF THE FRONT FACADE, UH, MAKING THE GARAGE APPEAR EITHER DETACHED OR SHORTER. UM, ALONG WITH THAT RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE, PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE, WE DISCUSSED MOVING IT FARTHER TOWARDS, UH, THE BACK OF THE LOT. UM, OR I THINK EVEN SWAPPING IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT SO THAT WAY IT'S CLOSER TO THE VERY EDGE OF THE DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN, BUT I THINK THERE'S A TREE THERE, SO I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT SIMPLIFYING THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS. UM, WE MORE SO JUST WANTED THIS TO BE A CONVERSATION RATHER THAN PUTTING A BUNCH OF, UM, CONDITIONS ON IT THAT MIGHT GET TOO MUCH INTO US DESIGNING IT. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF, CAN CAN YOU ALSO GIVE US SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BLOCK FACE NOW THAT WE'RE ON? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ON A, A SIDE STREET FOR SOME OF THESE, FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES AND, AND THE OTHER SIDE IS, UM, MAYBE FACING THIS STREET, BUT THEY ARE SMALLER LOTS AND THEY HAVE A, SO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP IN SCALE. MM-HMM . UM, SO I LOOKED AT THIS A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. UH, PAGE EIGHT, IF YOU'LL GO TO THAT ONE. UM, THIS IS SHOWING THAT IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY WATSON AND THEN I SHOWED, UM, HOW ON THE NEXT PAGE IT'S GOING TO BE ORIENTED. UM, THIS, I WENT DOWN, UM, AND SHOWED EVERY RE GARAGE PRETTY MUCH THAT WAS ON THERE. AND UM, FOR THE MOST PART THERE, YOU KNOW, AREN'T ANY THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S WHY WE EXPANDED TO THE REST OF THE DISTRICT JUST TO SEE WHAT THE, UM, COMMONALITY OF THIS WAS. SO, UM, IT'S VERY UNIQUE. UM, THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S LIKE THIS, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU ALL TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS WE CAN SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE IMPROVED. THANK YOU. AND UH, COMMISSIONER LUCKEY, UH, I THINK FOR YOU, OR FOR ONE OF YOU, UM, WHAT IS IT, DOES THE HAHC EVER REVIEW LIKE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MULTI HOUSE DEVELOPMENTS AND IF SO, IS THERE LIKE A THRESHOLD? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS IS A MULTI HOUSE DEVELOPMENT, YET WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT IT AS TWO INDIVIDUAL HOUSES. UM, I THINK PART OF THE, THE SORT OF TOWNHOUSE VIBE OF THE PROJECT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT END UP BEING THESE KIND OF FOUR DORMERS WHEN YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER THAT REALLY LIKE, DO SEEM LIKE A MASSIVE INTERVENTION OF SOMETHING ALIEN. BUT YOU KNOW, IS THIS, IS THIS NOT, IS THIS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR IS IT PART OF A MULTI HOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND SHOULD IT BE LOOKED AT THAT WAY? NO, PER, PER PER CODE. THESE ARE STANDALONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. THEY'RE SEPARATELY PLATTED LOTS. THEY'RE, THEY HAVE NO COMMON WALLS, SO THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE STRUCTURES AND SHOULD BE VIEWED COMPLETELY SEPARATELY. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. PLEASE SIR. UM, FOR STAFF, WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU JUST SAY IS THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE EXAMPLES IN THE SUBJECT AREA OF FRONT FACING GARAGES, YOU COULD NOT FIND ANY FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGES. IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? NO. UM, SO GOING BACK TO WHAT PAGE IS THAT? RIGHT, AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING GARAGES. I MEAN, SO LIKE, AGAIN, THE SANBORN IS REALLY THE, THE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S BEEN MODIFICATIONS, THE SANDBORN IS THE O OUR ONLY TRUE GUY TO KNOW WHAT CONTRIBUTING FOOTPRINT OR OR LAYOUT APPEARED BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FRONT FACING DETACHED GARAGE AND A FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT? SO I JUST NEED TO KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE? I DO NOT THINK THERE ARE. OH, THEN, THEN NO. IF THAT'S THE CASE, NO. OKAY. THERE ARE NOT. ALRIGHT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE MEANING ATTACHED CONTRIBUTING GARAGES. THERE ARE ATTACHED GARAGES TO CONTRIBUTING HOUSES ON WATSON, BUT IN THIS SAME, IN THIS EXACT SCENARIO, NO, THERE AREN'T. OKAY. UM, THIS, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS ALSO SLAB ON GRADE, CORRECT? UM, IT'S THE SAME SCENARIO AS THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT IS THE SLAB WHERE [02:45:01] THE LITTLE BIT OF, UM, WHAT YOU CALL IT WITH THE SAND? YEAH. OKAY. IT, IT'S WITH THE LATTICE ACROSS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ELEVATED AND IT HAS UM, LATTICE TO MAKE IT APPEAR TO BE, UH, A VOID UNDER THE HOUSE. THERE IS NO VOID, SO A THICKER SLAB. OKAY. UM, IT'S RAISED BASICALLY RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S A RAISED SLAB. SO THEN TO THAT END, CAN STAFF TELL ME WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE LOT IS TODAY AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE LOT WOULD BE? SHOULD BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS BE APPROVED AFTERWARDS? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. DO YOU WITH THAT 5% UNDER 65. SO UNDER 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER THAT. DO YOU HAVE THE, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE IMPERIOUS AREA IS TODAY AND THEN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED? UH, DON'T HAVE THAT ON ME RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT ONE'S APPROVED AND THEN THIS ONE IS SEPARATE, BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO STAY UNDER 65% RULE. THAT IS ALSO WHY EVERYONE BROUGHT UP THE COMMENTS ABOUT FLOODING AND COVERING IMPERIAL COVERAGE. WHEN YOU PUT THE GARAGE EVEN FURTHER BACK, HALF YOUR LOT IS, IS DRIVEWAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, DRIVEWAY IS NOT PERMEABLE. UM, I KNOW THEY DON'T COUNT SOMETIMES, BUT LIKE TRYING TO AVOID TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH ROAD LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S, WE HAVE IT IN THE SUBMITTAL OF THE TOTAL COVERAGE. NOW DO YOU HAVE I THINK IT'S LIKE 45% COVERAGE CURRENTLY IS 45% CURRENTLY. I, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY CURRENTLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE LOTS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A STRUCTURE, THERE'S A METAL STRUCTURE OUT THERE. I GOTTA JUST GET THE DIMENSIONS OF IT. I MEAN I CAN, IF YOU GIMME A SECOND I'LL DO THE MAP. SURE. WHERE I'M GOING IS THAT THERE COULD VERY WELL BE A DRAINAGE ISSUE IF BOTH APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED. I SPEAK FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, SLAB ON GRADE WILL NOT ALLOW DRAINAGE, UH, AND IT CAN CREATE NEW PROBLEMS FOR THE IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UM, AROUND IT. AND WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THESE TWO APPLICATIONS IN COMBINATION IS THAT YOU'RE TAKING, YOU'RE DEMOLISHING AN EXISTING SMALL STRUCTURE SPLITTING INTO TWO LOTS AND THEN YOU'RE PUTTING TOO MUCH LARGER STRUCTURES ON THOSE LOTS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE SLAB ON GRADE. I, I'M, I'M NOT A DRAINAGE EXPERT, BUT USING LOGIC, THERE'S GONNA BE DRAINAGE ISSUES. CHAIR, MAY, MAY I SPEAK PLEASE. UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IN PLATTING THAT'S REVIEWED IS IT DOES GO THROUGH FLOOD. SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT IF THAT, UH, IN SOMEHOW IMPACTED FLOOD AND, AND ENHANCED THE FLOOD SITUATION. SO IT'S AN IRRELEVANT POINT OF VIEW FOR THIS. THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE, TWO SEPARATE LOTS, FULLY PLATTED, FULLY ENTITLED. SO FLOOD AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN VETTED FOR FLOOD RESPECTFULLY IN REALITY. LOGIC TELLS ME THERE'S GONNA BE DRAINAGE ISSUES RESPECTFULLY. UM, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF WOULD BE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY EFFORT THAT WAS MADE BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE BUILDER AND THE OWNER TO MEET WITH NEIGHBORS TO TRY TO COLLABORATE ON THIS? DID THAT, DID THAT OCCUR MULTIPLE TIMES? I AM HEARING BEHIND ME THAT YES, IT DID OCCUR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, WANTED THROW OUT THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. I GAVE MY PHONE NUMBER TO EVERYONE AT THE LAST MEETING. HE HAS MY PHONE NUMBER FOR SURE. A HUNDRED PERCENT. WE EXCHANGED MESSAGES. THERE WAS A NEXTDOOR THREAT ALSO BY A ONE PERSON IN THIS ROOM. SOMEONE SAID PLEASE REACH OUT TO HIM. SHE STATED ON THE RECORD SCREENSHOT, HE CAN'T PAY MY DAY RATE. SO, UM, SO KARA, CAN YOU REPEAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS APPLICATION? STAFF RECOMMENDS DEFERRAL. SO, UM, IS THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO DEFER? OKAY. UH, IS THERE A SECOND? I'VE BEEN SECOND IT, I SECOND IS ANY DISCUSSION? I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE WON'T SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES BACK. UM, IF WE SIMPLY DEFER. I I THINK I TWO CONCERNS. AM I PLEASE. I MEAN, THE GARAGE IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. IT HAS BEEN THE WHOLE TIME WHEN I REVIEWED THE PLANS EARLIER. UM, THAT COMPATIBILITY IS THE ISSUE HERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT FACES WATSON. THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HAVE GARAGES USUALLY DETACHED AT THE REAR CORNER. I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY WE HAD EARLIER ON BAYLAND. WHEN YOU'RE PULLING IT FORWARD, YOU'RE CHANGING THE CONTEXT WHICH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FIT INTO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. SO BY PULLING THIS FORWARD WHERE [02:50:02] IT IT, IT JUST IS, IT'S VISUALLY INCOMPATIBLE AND WE HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO, IT CAN BE A PRODUCT OF ITS OWN TIME. IT CAN BE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURALLY THAN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THEM. AND THAT IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. AND I JUST FEEL THAT IF IT'S NOT AT THE REAR CORNER OF THE LOT, THEN, THEN WE'RE FAILING THE ORDINANCE IN THAT SENSE. MY OTHER ISSUE IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILT NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND YOU'LL HAVE DOUBLE GARAGE. I MEAN, THERE WAS PRECEDENT FOR A FRONT FA THE EUCLID PROPERTY HAVING AN ATTACHED GARAGE ON THE SIDE STREET. WE SEE THAT IN OUR, WITH CONTRIBUTING HOMES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GARAGE, BIG DRIVEWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE BETWEEN A BIG DRIVEWAY AND A GARAGE THAT'S TOO FAR FORWARD. AND IT, IT JUST, IT IT'S THE PATTERN OF THAT. I MEAN, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE THE GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THERE WAS LESS GARAGE AS YOU ENTERED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. BISHOP BROWNING. YEAH. UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE PENDING MOTION. UM, AND I DID VOTE FOR APPROVAL ON THE PREVIOUS LOT AND WE CAN'T CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A SUBDIVIDED THAT IS TWO INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES. I VOTED THE WAY I DID ON THAT LOT, BUT INSTEAD OF A DEFERRAL, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER BROBECK TO CONSIDER A DECLINATION. UH, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS SECOND STRUCTURE EVEN IN, UH, CONSIDERED INDEPENDENTLY MEETS THE CRITERIA AND NEEDS A COMPLETE REDESIGN. I WOULD, UM, I WOULD, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER BROWNINGS, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY. UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE STRATEGY OF FILLING THE SITE WITH THE HOUSE IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SORT OF MENTALITY THAT SORT OF GUIDED THE OTHER HOUSE DESIGNS. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COSGROVE ABOUT THE GARAGE, UM, BEING NEXT TO THAT OTHER GARAGE. IT JUST, UM, BUT, BUT FOR ME THAT'S ALSO PART OF HOW SIMILAR THESE TWO HOUSES ARE AND HOW CLOSE TOGETHER AND HOW THEY'RE REALLY GONNA READ LIKE ONE INTERVENTION BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND BECAUSE THEY SHARE MOTIFS. SO WHAT I MIGHT SAY IT WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO BE VIABLE WOULD BE LIKE, LIKE A VERY DIFFERENT APPEARANCE. LIKE IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF A DEVELOPMENT. IF IT, IF IT, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER IT AS ONE, I THINK IT SHOULD CONVINCE US THAT IT IS, IS IS IN ITS OWN WAY, UM, RESPONDING TO THE CONTEXT. UM, SO I TOO WOULD SUPPORT DENYING THIS. THIS ONE MR. CHAIR GARCIA, I WILL RESCIND MY MOTION TO DEFER AND MAKE A MOTION TO DENY COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER BUS. BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE LET COMMISSIONER GARCIA SPEAK? YES. WHAT, WHAT UM, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DENIAL AND A DEFERRAL? WILL, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH WITH, WOULD THEY BE DOING THE SAME THING ON, ON A DENIAL WITH THE DEFERRAL? WOULD THEY HAVE TO START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN? IF THEY, IF WE DO A DEFERRAL, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO START THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS ALL OVER. THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO PROVIDE NEW, UH, REVISED DRAWINGS. THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT REVISING THEIR DRAWINGS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO RESUBMIT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE APPLICATION FEE ALL OVER AGAIN AND START, START OVER. IF, IF WE, IF THERE IS A VOTE FOR DENIAL AND THAT THAT, AND THAT VOTE IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN IT'S DENIED. THEY CAN'T APPEAL. UM, AND THAT WILL BE WHAT IT WILL BE. UM, AND THEN IF THEY, IF DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN START OVER AND MAKE A NEW APPLICATION, PAY A NEW FEE AND DO GO THROUGH A WHOLE APP APPLICATION PROCESS AGAIN. SO DEFERRAL IS MUCH EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE CHANGES. HAVING GATHERED FEEDBACK FROM, FROM WHICH IS, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY BEEN HAPPENING TODAY. UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK STAFF MADE THE, MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DEFERRAL. IT'S THEN UP WITH THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER WHAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN SAID AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID. UM, AND IT GENERALLY LEADS TO A FASTER SOLUTION DEPENDING ON THE WILLINGNESS TO, TO FIND SOME, UH, HAPPY MEDIUM. YES. AND IF I'M MAY SAY LIKE THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK ON IT MORE, LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE MARRIED TO THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN AS IT IS. SO LIKE THERE IS STILL TIME [02:55:01] , THE PPLICANT, THE PPLICANT IS WILLING TO DEFER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. QUESTION WILLING YEAH. APPROVAL. BUT HOW, WHAT YOU GUYS WILLING TO DEFER TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE DESIGN IN ORDER TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WILL MEET THE CRITERIA, GO WITH THE DISTRICT, MAKE THIS A LOT BETTER FOR EVERYONE. A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO I THINK THE DEFERRAL, IF, IF THE CUP'S WILLING, IT'S THE EASIEST WAY FOR THEM TO MAKE CHANGES AND WITH THIS FEEDBACK AND THEN IT'S, IT, IT'S A MORE SEAMLESS PROCESS. UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, IT'S EITHER GONNA GET APPROVED OR DENIED IF THE CHANGES ARE NOT TO WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE TO MEET THOSE, UH, MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, UM, IIII REALLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD, UM, GO WITH STATUS RECOMMENDATION. WELL, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, COULD, COULD WE TEST THE MOTION THAT WE HAD? WE HAD A, WE HAD A MOTION AND WE HAD A SECOND. WE DIDN'T CALL A VOTE. UM, LET'S TEST THAT AND SEE, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERRAL, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND UH, ANY OPPOSED? SO I'VE GOT TWO OR THREE. I'VE GOT BROWNING AND BLAKELY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ON. AND WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM 8, 9 0 7 FRANKLIN STREET NUMBER NINE. WELL, IT WAS, YEAH, NO ONE SAID SPEAK ON THAT, BUT YES. UM, THIS IS, HE'S LOOKING FOR B NINE. HE DID SUBMIT A REQUEST TO SPEAK, UM, BUT IT WAS APPROVED. IT WAS APPROVED, YES. APPROVED SPEAKING, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. WHAT CONDITIONS IT WAS APPLICANT? THE BE NINE. SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH ITEM B EIGHT ? ARE WE GOOD? LET'S PROCEED NOW WITH THE, WITH THE TWO REMAINING AND THEN WE CAN, OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE STAFFERS AND KARA WILEY. I SUBMIT ITEM B EIGHT AT 9 0 7 FRANKLIN STREET IN MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE, HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING NINE STORY MIXED USE NEOCLASSICAL BUILDING CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1911 ON A CORNER LOT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL NEW SIGNAGE FOR THE BUSINESS, WHICH OCCUPIES A STREET LEVEL CORNER UNIT AS WELL AS AWNINGS ON THE ELEVATIONS FACING FRANKLIN AND TRAVIS. THE SIX INCH CABINET BOX SIGN IS TO BE FIVE FOOT BY 10 INCHES BY THREE FOOT FOUR INCHES, WHICH IS 19.44 SQUARE FEET MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING WALL. THE SIGN BASE IS TO BE LIT WITH WHITE LED NEON LIGHTS. THE ALUMINUM FRAME AWNINGS ARE TO BE MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING WALL WITH FABRIC CANOPY FIXED OVER THE FRAMING TO ADVERTISE THE BUSINESS LOGO. THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION FRONTING FRANKLIN WILL HAVE THREE AWNINGS AND THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION. FRONTING TRAVIS WILL HAVE TWO AWNINGS. THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK SATISFIED THE CRITERIA TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT HOP REVIEW AND SIGN PERMITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR WORK COMPLETED. AS SUBMITTED CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU, YOU, YOU MAY APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND PLEASE RE UH, STATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, I'M DAVID CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ, THE CHEF OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT HERE AT 9 0 7 FRANKLIN. UM, I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE, UH, TRADITIONS AND ALL THAT. UM, YEAH, WE, WE HIRED SOMEONE TO PUT UP THESE AWNINGS. [03:00:01] HE, HE INFORMED US THAT HE HAD ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING. UH, LATER ON WE FOUND OUT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THESE. UH, SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS JUST TO REMEDIATE. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK, SEEING ANYONE, UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, THE WORK PROCEEDED WITHOUT APPROVAL, BUT THAT STAFF SUPPORTS THE WORK THAT WAS, THAT WAS AC THAT WAS COMPLETED THAT, UH, HAD IT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, PRIOR, YOUR RECOGNITION WOULD BE APPROVAL. AND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? YES, IT WAS, UM, ABOUT TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. SO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IS IF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, THEN WE HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. UM, IT DID SATISFY THE CRITERIA. SO, UM, THIS IS FORMALITY. SO, SO THE COR, THE DENIAL OF COA SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, SO A COR NOW TAKES THE PLACE OF A COA, SO IT'S ACCEPTING THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. THANK YOU. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? SO MOVED. IS THERE SECOND? I'M SORRY. SORRY, WAS THERE A MOTION? YEAH, SECOND. BROAD REC. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION? THAT MOTION PASSES. WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10 AND YASMIN, AS, AS WE'RE, BEFORE WE START THIS, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO REOPEN ITEM NUMBER NINE BEFORE, UM, SHE'S TALKING TO HIM. IS IT, I I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY, BUT DO YOU MIND IF WE GO AND VERIFY IF HE NEEDS TO PULL IT OR NOT? WELL, I'M SAYING, I THINK HE'S SAYING, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S WILLINGNESS. I, HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND IF THE APPLICANT AND I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I ASKED DID THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? I I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING AFFIRMED. SO, SO IN FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANT, IF, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT REVIEWED, WE WE COULD TRY TO OPEN THAT UP AFTER OR NOW. SO AFTER OR NOW IF, IF NOW MAY I GO AND, AND UM, YEAH, ASK HIM MAYBE GOOD AT THE END, BUT LET HIM IS IT, IS IT OKAY IF WE, IF HE, IF HE IS HEARD NOW, IS IS DOES THAT, IS THAT LEGALLY OKAY. IS DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE WE, IT'S THE NEXT ITEM IN LINE, SO I THINK FOR, BUT WE, WE APPROVE, WE WE HAVE TO REOPEN TO MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN. YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT. MR. CHAIR MOTION FOR A THREE MINUTE RECESS SO WE CAN GET THAT SORTED OUT. THE REST OF US CAN CHECK OUR MESSAGES. IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION. UM, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO, TO FINISHING THIS MEETING, SO, AND I, UH, AND WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE NEXT ITEMS AND, AND THEN CONSIDER THIS LAST ITEM AT THE LA THE LAST I'LL SEND THE MOTION. OKAY. GO TO ITEM NINE. SO CAN, CAN WE GO TO ITEM B NINE? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN ITEM B NINE FOR DISCUSSION AND I GUESS WE WILL RESCIND ITS PRIOR APPROVAL. SECOND. SECOND GARCIA? IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? GOOD, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M SAMANTHA DELEONE. I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PREFACE MY, UH, MY SCRIPT BY SAYING THAT THERE WAS, UH, MY APPLICANT IS HARD OF HEARING, SO COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR, HICK, WHENEVER YOU DID ASK IF THERE WAS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WAS NOT HURT. SO, YOU KNOW, OUT OF GOOD FAITH, SINCE HE'S WAITED, WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MAKE HIS CASE FOR, UH, FOR HIS APPLICATION. OKAY. SO, UH, THANK YOU. THE MOTION, THE ITEM HAS BEEN RESCINDED AND IT IS NOW, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR CHANCE. SO JUST I I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SPEAK FIRST, SIR. OH YEAH, I SPEAK FIRST AND THEN I'LL CALL YOU UP. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON. SAMANTHA, I SUBMIT ITEM B NINE AT 26 11 HOPKINS STREET IN THE AVONDALE WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE TWO STORY CONTRIBUTING AMERICAN FOURSQUARE WITH CRAFTMAN CRAFTSMAN, I FLUID STYLE PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1922, SITUATED ON A 16, 600, 6,500 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS, ONE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW AND ONE NON-ORIGINAL VINYL WINDOW ON [03:05:01] THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET WITH TRON 6,500 WIN VINYL WINDOWS. STAFF RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE PROPOSED RIGHT ELEVATION, UH, WINDOWS BE WOOD, WOOD CLAD OR WOOD COMPOSITE WITH THE FINAL PRODUCT TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO INSTALLATION CHAIRS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THE OWNER, UH, MR. WILLER IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, MR. WELLER, WOULD YOU, COULD YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UM, MY NAME IS RENARD WELLER. I LIVE AT 26 11 HOPKINS STREET, AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 23 YEARS. AND WHENEVER I FIRST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE'S BARS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AND THEY WERE NOISY AS HECK. AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN LIVE IN MY OWN HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS SO NOISY. SO I GOT THESE WINDOWS AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY WERE VINYL. UM, I GOT 20 OF THEM TO START WITH AND I NEEDED 10 TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE THING. WELL, I RETIRED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND I FINALLY GOT SOME, SOME CASH AND I DECIDED TO FINISH THE PROJECT. UH, NOW SIX OF THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK DON'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE DOESN'T MATTER TOO MUCH, BUT THE, THERE'S FOUR WINDOWS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TWO CAME FROM, AND ONE BEING VINYL. THERE'S FOUR WINDOWS, THERE'S TWO ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THERE'S TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE, NORTH SOUTH. UM, ONE'S A BATHROOM WINDOW THAT'S ABOUT THIS BIG AND THE OTHERS ARE FAIRLY STANDARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT STANDARD IS, BUT, UM, LET ME SEE WHERE I'M AT HERE. UM, THE WINDOWS THAT I DID GET WERE HURRICANE PROOFED. THEY WERE, UH, DOUBLE PANED, XENON GAS, ALL THAT NOISE. UM, SO I, I HAVE A GOOD IN THE, IN THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE, IT STAYS WARM IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE. IT, IT STAYS COOL IF IT'S WINTER. UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UH, SHOTS YOU HAVE HERE, THOSE TWO UP THERE, THAT'S THE 2 1 2 OF THE TWO IN QUESTION. BUT THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER, UM, THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER, UM, DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. THANK YOU. THE, UH, UM, WHENEVER, WHENEVER I DID PUT THE, THE 20 WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, I DID PUT, UH, THE ACCENTS, THE, UH, CRAFTSMAN ACCENT ACCENTS TO THEM. SO WE WOULD JOIN THE COMMUNITY, BASICALLY. UM, BUT SEE HERE, THESE ARE THE TWO WINDOWS IN QUESTION. AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, IF YOU SAW ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE CRAPPY ONES BECAUSE THEY KIND OF ARE. 'CAUSE THEY'RE 102 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW. UM, MOTION TO EXTEND. SECOND. AYE, ALL A FAVOR. THANK YOU. ONE MORE MINUTE. OKAY, COOL. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, JASMINE OVER HERE MENTIONED SOMETHING BE ABOUT FLEXIBILITY ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. I, I TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT. UM, THIS IS, LET'S SEE, AND, AND SOMEBODY ELSE ELSE MENTIONED COMPATIBILITY. WELL, IF THESE FOUR WINDOWS TWO ON EACH SIDE OF MY HOUSE ARE DIFFERENT, THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HATE VINYL WINDOWS, BUT THE 20 THAT I DID PUT IN WERE GRANDFATHERED. UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE GAPS IN SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS ARE CRAPPY, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, THERE'S GAPS IN THEM BECAUSE THE, UH, UH, THE LOCK MECHANISM, IT HAS WOOD ROT IN IT, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY EVEN SCREW THINGS INTO, I HAD WASP IN MY HOUSE AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHY. AND I, AND I LOOKED BEHIND, UH, THIS CURTAIN AND THERE WAS THIS BACK GAP IN THE WINDOW. YOU CAN, THERE'S ONE, THERE'S A COUPLE PICTURES HERE. THIS GAP, I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MEANS ANYTHING OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A GAP UP THERE. I'LL BE QUIET. I, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE, SINCE JUNE. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE JUNE. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THE BACK OF MY HOUSE ALREADY. BUT THEY, OR AUTHORIZED, THEY JUST AUTHORIZED THE BACK OF MY HOUSE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. AND ON THE 15TH, I THINK, UH, HOME DEPOT'S GONNA COME IN AND, AND DO THE SIX WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. BUT THE OTHER FOUR ARE THE ONES IN QUESTION, I GUESS. SO I HOPE YOU LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, WE'RE SORRY. EXCUSE ME. SO SAMANTHA, THAT PERSON, SAMANTHA, IAN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT MR. WELLER WENT AHEAD AND SHOWED THE LEFT ELEVATION OF HIS HOUSE. KARA, OR IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, UH, SCREEN PLEASE. RIGHT HERE IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM THE, UH, THE AGENT MR. TIM RILEY. HE'S THE PERMIT RUNNER. AND IF, UH, KARA, YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN. [03:10:01] WE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ON THE WINDOWS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, AND THERE IS NOT EVEN A PHOTO THAT IS INCLUDED OF THE LEFT ELEVATION. SO THOSE TWO LEFT ELEVATION WINDOWS THAT HE JUST MENTIONED AND BROUGHT A PHOTO OF ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO I DID WANNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. I SPOKE TO TIM RILEY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE SPEAK TO THE AGENT, THE PERSON WHO GOES AHEAD AND SUBMITS THE APPLICATION ON THE OWNER'S BEHALF. AND THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED. AS YOU CAN SEE, HE SUBMITTED, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR, OF COURSE THE REAR WINDOWS. I LET HIM KNOW IN NOVEMBER, EVEN, I THINK PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE THEN THAT THE REAR WOULD BE EXEMPT AND THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY MR. WILLER HAD TO WAIT, BUT I JUST DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT SINCE THIS WAS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PHOTOS AND IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, IT IS ONLY THESE, UH, TWO SETS OF WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED. BUT THAT WAS JUST WHAT I WANTED TO PREFACE. OKAY. SO CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU DEFINE THE, THE WINDOWS? UH, THESE ARE ON THE FRONT FACADE, SO THIS IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION. OKAY. SO RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT, BUT, BUT AT THE FRONT OF THE, TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, TOWARDS THE REAR MM-HMM . AND IF, UH, KARA, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PHOTO SHOWING EXACTLY WHERE THE, WHERE THEY ARE ON PAGE EIGHT, THE ONE WITH THE PURPLE AND THE PINK AND THE PURPLE AND THE BLUE. YES SIR. YEAH. OR NEXT ONE? THIS ONE? NO, NO, THE NEXT ONE, KARA, LOOK. GO DOWN. THERE WE GO. IF YOU WERE TO GO AHEAD AND ZOOM IN ON THE RIGHT CORNER, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IF YOU CAN JUST ZOOM IN. BUT THAT'S OF THE SAME, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A OVERALL PICTURE OF THAT DETAIL THAT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE, CORRECT? YES. THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THEM ON THE HOUSE. AND SO THE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ORIGINAL ARE UPSTAIRS. UPSTAIRS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND, UM, HE MENTIONED THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH DISTRESS AND SO ON. HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THOSE WINDOWS IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT ARE THEY REPAIRABLE? WHAT, WHAT'S THE SHAPE OF THEM? ARE THEY BEYOND REPAIR? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A PHOTO WHICH IS LOCATED ON PAGE 10. SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN HERE, THERE WE GO. SO IT SEEMS FROM THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW THAT THEY ARE NOT REPAIRABLE STAFF DID NOT GO AHEAD AND CONDUCT A SITE VISIT OVER THIS. UM, FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THE AGENT, IT SEEMED THAT THEY JUST WANTED A YES OR NO ANSWER ON WHETHER OR NOT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CHANGE OUT THESE WINDOWS AND THAT THEY REALLY WANTED THE VINYL. SO, AND THEN THE, THE WINDOWS BELOW THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL, CORRECT. AND VINYL. AND THOSE ARE VINYL. YES SIR. AND THEY'D LIKE TO REPLACE THEM, CORRECT? YES, SIR. WITH MORE VINYL WINDOWS? NO, NO, THE FOUR WINDOWS, TWO ON THE SOUTH, TWO ON THE NORTH, THEY'RE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. 1922. THE, THE ONES ON THE SOUTH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE OF 'EM THAT'S, THAT'S WOOD ROTTED, RIGHT WHERE THE, THE MECHANISM IS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE GAPS IN THE FRONT. THEY MIGHT BE FIXABLE, I'M NOT SURE. BUT SINCE THE OTHER 20, 26 WINDOWS I HAVE ARE GOING TO BE VINYL AND 20 OF 'EM ALREADY ARE, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE GRANDFATHERING THESE FOUR WOULD NOT BE A, A HORRIBLE PROBLEM. BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HATE VINYLS, SO I DUNNO. UM, SO, SO SAMANTHA, SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE IMAGE OF THE, THE TWO LOWER WINDOWS AND THE COLOR CODED, THAT'S FINE. SO PAGE SEVEN ARE THE YES. ARE THE, ARE THE BLUE IN BLUE ARE THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE EXISTING, CORRECT? YES SIR. AND THEY PREDATE ARE THESE ARE THE, ARE THESE GRANDFATHERED CORRECT? YES SIR. SO, SO THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION, JUST THE UPPER, THE UPPER TWO AND THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY SAYING THERE'S ANOTHER TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, VINYL WINDOWS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN ONCE THEY COME OUT, VINYL'S NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BACK IN ON THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. WHICH IS WHY THESE TWO WINDOWS ARE SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, BEING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW OF IF, BUT, BUT IN PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER PAIR ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT, IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS LIKE, SO WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING HOWEVER IT WAS APPLIED, CORRECT? BECAUSE THIS CONDITION EXISTS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS TOGETHER. CORRECT? I'VE ONLY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MR. RILEY. HE LIVES IN TENNESSEE. SO WE COMMUTED PRIMARILY THROUGH A PHONE CALLS AND THROUGH EMAIL, UH, AS PROTOCOL WITH, UH, WITH STAFF COMMUNICATING WITH AGENTS BECAUSE HE SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION ON MR. WELLER'S BEHALF. SO HE'S THE ONLY PERSON I'VE SPOKEN TO. I DID TAKE MR. WELLER'S CALL ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE POSSIBLY AROUND LIKE SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER WHEN HE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT REPLACING HIS WINDOWS. [03:15:01] AND I DID TELL HIM THAT TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND MR. TIM RILEY WAS THE ONE WHO SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. SO MR. RILEY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS THAT I SHOWED, DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ON THE LEFT ELEVATION. SO AGAIN, THAT'S OUT OF SCOPE FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE, WE SORT OF HAVE, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN WE NORMALLY HAVE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE SO MUCH GRANDFATHERING GOING ON. TYPICALLY WE WOULD ESTABLISH OR HAVE PETER STAFF GO OUT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE WIND IS A REPAIRABLE. IF THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE OR IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF REPAIRS NEEDED, WE WOULD ALLOW REPLACEMENT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND YOU, YOU ALL HAD ISSUED A, A STATEMENT ON WINDOWS THAT WILL NOT ALLOW VINYL WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T COME INSET AND RECESSED, BUT OTHER WINDOWS THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE WOOD ARE AVAILABLE. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. UM, IT'S ALSO ON THE REAR 25% OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SIDE, WHICH THERE IS MUCH MORE DIFFERENCE TO CHANGE THE WINDOW. BUT THE CATCH 22 IS YOU DON'T ALLOW VINYL WINDOWS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT INCIDENT RECESSED, BUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS ROLLING THAT WAY NONETHELESS, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES SIR. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS I THINK IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM CORRECT. YES SIR. FROM ANY OF THE THREE WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS SITUATION, CORRECT? YES. BECAUSE BASED OFF OF THE WINDOW POLICY THAT STAFF HAS, UH, WENT AHEAD AND ADOPTED, IT'S NOT UP TO US TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMMISSION COULD ASK STAFF TO GO AND LOOK AT THE COMMISSION OF THE WINDOWS IS ONE, IS ONE, UH, OPERATION. THIS COMMISSION CAN ALSO CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THAT'S THE OTHER, THAT'S, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO STEPS THAT WE HAVE TO STEP THROUGH AT FIRST GLANCE. THAT IS CORRECT. BUT IF HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE OTHER WINDOWS, HE IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, CORRECT? YES. AND I WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. RILEY ON HOW THAT, SO WE COULD DEFER THE APPLICATION. WE COULD THAT IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION. YES SIR. IN THE WINDOW TO BE EVALUATED. YES SIR. 'CAUSE THIS WAS COMPLETE NEWS TO ME ABOUT THE LEFT ELEVATION, SO, AND I'D MAKE A MOTION WE DEFER IT. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY, ANY, ANY EXEMPT ANY EXEMPTIONS? MOTION IS DEFERRED. MOVING ON TO ITEM TEN SEVEN NINE FOUR SEVEN ROCK HILL STREET. TWO MORE. GOOD EVENING CHAIR PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON. I SUBMIT ITEM B 10 AT, AT 79 47 ROCK HILL STREET AT THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE ONE STORY CONTRIBUTING TRADITIONAL RANCH STYLE PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1965, SITUATED ON A 6,500 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. ON JULY 17TH, 2025. THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT ON JULY 22ND, 2025. THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A 3 0 1 COMPLAINT FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT, UH, OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE INSPECTOR OBSERVED THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS AND THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION HAD BEEN REPLACED FROM ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO VINYL WINDOWS AND A RED TAG WAS ISSUED. THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2025. STAFF RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS THE PROJECT DOES NOT SATISFY CRI UH, NOT SATISFY CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 9, AND 10. AN ISSUANCE OF AN ISSUANCE OF COR REQUIRING THE REMOVAL OF PAINT FROM THE, FROM THE BRICK REMOVAL OF THE REPLACED VINYL WINDOWS AND REVERSION OF INSIDE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. AND TO ALSO ADD BACK THE SHUTTERS ON THE RIGHT SIDE WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, CHAIRS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, SAMANTHA. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I DO HAVE A SECRET, UH, SIGNED UP. UM, UM, JOSE , AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR LAST NAME. I CAN NO, IT'S FINE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, COULD YOU RESET YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YES, MY NAME'S JOSE PONTE AND, UM, HERE REPRESENTING MY COMPANY. I WANT STATE ON THE RECORD THAT I WAS HIRED IN JULY. SO ANY WORK THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THIS, UM, I, I WAS BASICALLY GIVEN THE PROJECT LIKE THIS AND SO I'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SAMANTHA AND WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN AND I [03:20:01] JUST WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING AND WHATEVER YOU GUYS RECOMMEND, OF COURSE, UM, WE WANNA PULL THE NECESSARY PERMITS AND ANYTHING GOING FORWARD TO PROCEED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON MIND. THANK YOU. UH, CAN, SO COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION THEN? ARE YOU, UM, DO YOU SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THERE ARE OTHER HOMES PAINTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ONE THING I CAN SAY. AND THEN ABOUT THE VINYL WINDOWS, I, I GUESS I WOULD'VE TO AGREE, LIKE TO CHANGE THEM BACK TO ALUMINUM. SO THAT'S IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO, TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'M NOT SEEING, I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. WHO, WHO'S THE SECOND BROWNING A SECOND. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO, UM, OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 12 7 7 1 8 GLEN BRAY STREET. OKAY, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE'RE STILL HERE. UM, CHARLES SADLER, STAFF MEMBER. UH, I SUBMIT, UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ITEM B12 7 7 1 8, GLEN BRAY STREET, WHICH IS LOT ONE BLOCK 64 IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ONE STORY BRICK VENEER AND WOOD BOARD, AND BATTEN SIDING ON A 2047 SQUARE FOOT LOT. I'M SORRY, THE LIVING AREA IS 2000, UH, 47 SQUARE FEET ON A 9,350 SQUARE FOOT LOT. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING MID-CENTURY MODERN RANCH STYLE CIRCA 1959. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM SINCE THE SUMMER TO REVISE AND TO COMMUNICATE, UM, WHAT WE A RECOMMEND, UH, HOW WE COULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND SO WE'RE GONNA START ON THE NORTH ELEVATION TO REPLACE THREE TALL FIXED WINDOWS THAT ARE VERY NARROW. THE NEXT IS TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR WITH A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, FRONT DOOR. THE DOOR THEY HAVE, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IS ORIGINAL ON THE WEST ELEVATION TO REPLACE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS WITH, UH, ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG ALUMINUM MILL FINISH ON THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS TO, TO REPAIR, REPLACE EXISTING WOOD BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING WITH WOOD OR SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS BOARD TO MATCH EXISTING BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING REPAIR, REPLACE EXISTING WOOD TRIM WITH WOOD OR SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS BOARD AND, UH, REMOVE BRICK EXTENSION WALL, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. AND THAT EXTENDS, UH, BASICALLY, UH, EAST, I BELIEVE. AND SO, SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS AND, AND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, WHICH IS RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS IS THAT THE, UH, ROUGH CUT TIMBER BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING ON THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS MAY BE REPAIRED WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL AND THAT THEY WILL RETAIN THE EXTENSION BRICK MASONRY WALL ON THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT EXTENDS, UH, EAST. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. IF I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE SIGNED UP AND NO ONE'S LEFT. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I DO. OKAY. UH, MR. BROWNIE, I TAG THE ITEM. SO I'VE GOT THREE QUICK QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. THE FIRST, THE PROPOSAL FROM FRIDAY VERSUS WHAT IS HERE. UM, THE PROPOSAL FOR FRIDAY SAYS VINYL WINDOWS. THIS ONE SAYS ALUMINUM WIND MILL FINISH WINDOWS. THAT'S, UM, ALUMINUM MILL FINISH IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, THE, WHAT IS ALSO MISSING IS THE NORTHEAST DRIVEWAY EDITION FROM FRIDAY TO THIS PROPOSAL. IS THAT IN OR OUT? SO THAT, UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE, UH, HISTORIC DOES NOT [03:25:01] REGULATE DRIVEWAYS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPINION ON DOING A DRIVEWAY OR NOT, BUT WHAT WE DO REGULATE IS THE WALL, THE BRICK WALL THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. AND SO WE DON'T APPROVE THAT. THAT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. THAT'S A DESIGN ELEMENT. RIGHT. SO IS THERE A, IS THERE A DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL VERSUS FRIDAY'S PROPOSAL? UH, THERE IS. SO WHEN THAT WOULD GET TO, TO PERMITTING TO, TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY APPROVAL THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED? THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER, CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. FINALLY, THOSE THREE WINDOWS, THE OTHER FRONT FACING WINDOWS WERE ALL THE DIAMOND, UH, WINDOWS THAT ARE PREVALENT THROUGHOUT GLENBROOK VALLEY. UM, WERE THOSE PRESENT WHEN THE HOME WAS DESIGNED IN 65? OH, I BELIEVE SO. I THINK IT'S 1959 WAS WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. AND SO WE BELIEVE THOSE, THOSE HARLEQUIN WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL. OKAY. SO IN THE RETAINING, THOSE WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T THE DIAMOND WINDOWS IN THOSE THREE. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. THOSE THREE FIX, WERE NOT, UH, NOT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, NO. IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE, WHAT'S THERE IS ORIGINAL. OKAY. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A SINGLE PANE, I BELIEVE, AND THE GLASS IS CRACKED. SO IT'S, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S ORIGINAL. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. DO WE NEED TIME TO EVALUATE WHETHER THOSE THREE WINDOWS WERE INITIALLY THE DIAMOND DIAMOND WINDOWS TO ENSURE, UH, CONTINUITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THAT IS A UNIQUE FEATURE THROUGHOUT THOSE 1500 HOMES? UH, GOOD QUESTION. SO I, I HAVE VISITED WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WITH PETE STOCKTON, AND I THINK, I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE TERRENCE AND ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER. AND SO WE DETERMINED THAT THERE, THOSE THREE FIXED WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU. SO WITH, WITH THAT, UM, I MEAN I, I I GUESS WITH THAT, IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS? UM, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. ROUNDING MOTIONS. IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. BROUGHT BACK SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY, ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC . I THINK WE'VE OUTLASTED THE PUBLIC. UM, I'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM D, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT. ASME, THANK YOU ALL FOR STILL BEING HERE. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, BU GOOD, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR EK COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC. I AM STAFF PERSON, YASMIN ALAN, AND I AM THE INTERIM PRESERVATION OFFICER, THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING TO, AND, UH, I KNOW, UM, UM, MR. WILLIAMS ALREADY, UH, SAID THAT, BUT TO SAY IT AGAIN, THE PUBLIC HEARING TO PRESENT PROPOSED LANDMARKS, PROTECTED LANDMARKS AND CHANGE OF DESIGNATION BEFORE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 7TH, 2026. WE HAVE TWO LANDMARKS FOR PROTECTED LANDMARKS AND TWO CHANGE OF DESIGNATIONS. IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS, PLEASE CONTACT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE NO LATER THAN MONDAY, JANUARY 5TH, 2026 AT 3:00 PM ON NOVEMBER 12TH, STAFF HELD A SUCCESSFUL MEETING WITH NOR HILL RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES AS OF DECEMBER 4TH. THOSE GUIDELINES HAVE NOW BEEN POSTED FOR 30 DAYS AND THE COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW COMPLETE. STAFF HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT WE WILL NOW BEGIN TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS, UM, OF, FOR, UH, OF THOSE COMMENTS AS WE REVIEW THE COMMENTS. WE WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH HAHC TO SCHEDULE A MEETING, TIME AND DATE TO DISCUSS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN DEPTH FOR THE HAHC PUBLIC MEETING. MORE DETAILS TO COME. A WINDOW INTERNAL POLICY HAS BEEN POSTED TO OUR WEBSITE. STAFF IS WORKING ON MORE INTERNAL POLICIES AS WE BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL HELP SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS BETTER. I WANT TO, UM, THANK MY, OUR WONDERFUL TEAM FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION THIS YEAR. MY APPRECIATION ALSO GOES TO OUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR TIME AND SERVICE STAFF WISHES, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC JOYFUL HOLIDAYS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR CLOSING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU WITH THAT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.