[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on August 14, 2025.]
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IT IS NOW 2:32 PM THURSDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2025.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
UM, I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK AND TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM, I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE, UH, THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER BLAKELY WILL BE ABSENT TODAY.
COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA IS NOT HERE CURRENTLY.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER CURRY NOT HERE CURRENTLY.
AND OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR ROBERT WILLIAMSON.
UM, AS PART OF THE CHAIR'S REPORT, I'LL JUST READ OUT SOME OF THE SPEAKER RULES THAT ARE POSTED.
UM, THIS MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
MEETINGS START ABOUT A MINUTE, UM, AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME, UH, SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW FOR HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE.
UH, SPEAKERS, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S FORM, UM, UH, BEFORE THE ITEM IS CALLED AND TURNED IT INTO, UH, STAFF NEAR THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, THE SPEAKER RULES ARE POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND ARE AT MY DISCRETION AT THIS MEETING.
APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES.
I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK.
UH, PLEASE NOTE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, AFTER STAFF'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UM, AND PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL OUR DELIBERATIONS, UM, HAVE BEEN, UM, BEFORE OUR, BEFORE OUR DELIBERATIONS, UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, HAS BEEN, HAS ALREADY BEEN OPEN.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS, UH, OVER TO THE, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR HICK HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC.
I'M ROBERT WILLIAMSON, ACTING SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FROM OUR REPORT TODAY.
UH, FIRST, THE STATE LEGISLATURE JUST PASSED HOUSE BILL 1522 AMENDING THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT THAT WILL IMPACT THE TIMING OF OUR NOTICE POSTINGS FOR THE COMMISSION EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
THE 72 HOUR NOTICE REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO THREE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
CONSEQUENTLY, OUR POSTING REQUIREMENT WILL BACK UP FROM MONDAYS AT 2:30 PM TO END OF BUSINESS ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
CITY HOLIDAYS CANNOT BE COUNTED AS WELL, WHICH MAY PUSH THE NOTICE DATE BACK AN ADDITIONAL DAY OR SO, DEPENDING ON THE HOLIDAY AND OUR COMMISSION SCHEDULE.
NEXT, UH, FOUR MAYORAL APPOINTMENT.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHOSE TERMS HAVE EXPIRED ARE ROTATING OFF THE COMMISSION, AND THIS WILL BE THEIR LAST MEETING.
BETH WIER, A THREE TERM MEMBER AND OUR VICE CHAIR AND COMMERCIAL REPRESENTATIVE.
RHONDA VEDA, A TWO TERM MEMBER.
AND OUR CULTURAL HISTORY REPRESENTATIVE.
STEVEN MCNEIL, A FOUR TERM MEMBER AND OUR REMODELER BUILDER REPRESENTATIVE.
AND FINALLY, POSITION NINE, STEVEN CURRY, A THREE TERM MEMBER AND OUR PRESERVATION SPECIALIST.
THESE FOUR MEMBERS HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMISSION AND HOUSTON HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS.
SO ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I WANNA THANK THEM FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMISSION AND THE SERVICE TO THE CITY.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD ALL ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR SERVICE WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION AND A SMALL GIFT THAT I WILL DISTRIBUTE AT THE END OF MY REPORT.
FOUR CURRENT COMMISSIONERS ARE BEING REAPPOINTED BY MAYOR WHITMEYER AND INCLUDE COMMISSIONERS JONES, BLAKELY, HICK, AND COSGROVE.
THE MAYOR'S FOUR REPLACEMENT MEMBERS WILL BE INTRODUCED AT OUR NEXT MEETING AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL AND SWORN IN.
IN CLOSING, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6, OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND NOW I'D LIKE TO DISTRIBUTE THESE CERTIFICATES.
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I'LL YOU OVER HERE ON HERE,AND, UM, ONE THING WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT IS, UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A MAYOR'S, UH, LIAISON REPORT TODAY, UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO POST FOR A PHOTOGRAPH, SO, UM, WE'LL NOW ASSEMBLE IN THE FRONT AREA WHERE THE FOUR CHAIRS ARE AND WE WILL, UM, MARK THIS DAY FOR THE RECORD.
SO IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE FRONT.
WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA BE, I DON'T THINK STEVE USING THIS PHOTOGRAPH BEYOND TODAY IS POINTLESS.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST A MOMENT IN TIME.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OUR WEB, SORRY, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE CURRENTLY, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS DON'T REPRESENT THIS BODY EITHER.
SO, UM, BUT THIS WAS A REQUEST.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF, UH, OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 17TH, 2025.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES IN THE PACKET? ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO ITEM A.
AND SO THE FIRST, UH, ITEM IS GONNA BE THE CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION TO THE TECH, TO THE, TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK AT 1 0 2, 1 MAIN STREET AND 11 0 1 FANON STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 2.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON, YASMIN ALAN, I SUBMIT ITEM A FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE NOMINATION OF FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK, LOCATED AT 10 21 MAIN STREET AND 11 0 1
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FANIN STREET, TO BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.THE 1961 FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK IS A CORPORATE MODERN SKYSCRAPER IN THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
THE HISTORIC FUNCTIONALLY RELATED COMPLEX INCLUDES A 32 STORY OFFICE, TOWER HYPHEN AND NON HISTORIC PARKING GARAGE CONNECTED BY AN ORIGINAL SUBTERRANEAN TUNNEL TO THE ORIGINAL DETACHED.
SEVEN, I'M SORRY, PARDON? IF I STOP YOU.
BUT THE SCREEN THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF YOUR PODIUM IS NOT ACTUALLY ON, SO I SEE THIS, THE TWO SIDE SCREENS ARE, ARE TURNED ON, BUT THE FRONT SCREEN, AT THE FRONT SCREEN HERE.
CAN YOU ASK THE HTV? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL TURN WHAT ARE THEY? ROTATE? I DUNNO.
WHAT ABOUT THE, THE PUBLIC? THE PUBLIC JUST TILTING IT SO THEY CAN SEE.
SHOULD I CONTINUE OR DO WE WAIT TILL THIS IS ON? OKAY.
HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST A POWER BUTTON ISSUE.
THE 1961 FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK IS A CORPORATE MODERN SKYSCRAPER IN THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
THE HISTORIC FUNCTIONALLY RELATED COMPLEX INCLUDE A 32 STORY OFFICE, TOWER HYEN, AND A NON HISTORIC PARKING GARAGE CONNECTED BY AN ORIGINAL SUBTERRANEAN TUNNEL TO THE ORIGINAL DETACHED SEVEN STORY PARKING GARAGE.
THE OFFICE TOWER HYPHEN AND NON HISTORIC GARAGE ARE LOCATED AT 10 21 MAIN STREET, AND THE ORIGINAL GARAGE IS LOCATED AT 1101 FANIN STREET.
WHEN FIRST NATIONAL BANK AND CITY NATIONAL BANK MERGED IN 1956, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A LARGER MODERN OFFICE COMPLEX WAS NEEDED TO HOUSE THE CORPORATION.
THE FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK COMPLEX RETAINS A HIGH LEVEL OF INTEGRITY OF LOCATION SETTING, DESIGN, WORKMANSHIP FEELING, AND ASSOCIATION.
WHILE SOME EXTERIOR MATERIALS HAVE BEEN ALTERED, THE OFFICE TOWERS FORMED, DEFINED BY ITS STRUCTURE IS VISIBLE THE SAME AS WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED IN 1961, WHICH IS ALSO ITS DEFINED PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HAHC SUPPORTS THE NOMINATION OF FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES UNDER CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTION.
THIS INCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE AS LEGAL, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, TO RECOMMEND THIS NOMINATION.
IT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTIONS.
STAFF ADVISES YOU ALL HAVE NOT VOTED ON A FORMAL REFERRAL REFERRAL IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, HOWEVER, SO I THINK AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO IT, YOU COULD ASK GENERALLY FOR OBJECTIONS FROM COMMISSION, AND IF THERE ARE NONE, THEN STAFF WOULD GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND AND
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SEND THAT REFERRAL UP.ALTERNATIVELY, YOU COULD TAKE A MOTION AND START VOTING ON THEM.
THAT'S, SINCE IT'S POSTED FOR IT, I'M GONNA DECLINE THAT OPTION.
AND, UM, JUST ASK STAFF IF COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE LET US KNOW FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UM, ITEM B, THE CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
HISTORIC PLACES FOR INWOOD MANOR AT 3 7 1 1 SAN PHILIPPI STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 2 7.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRS AND MEMBER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON.
I SUBMIT ITEM, UH, B FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE NOMINATION OF INWOOD MANOR.
LOCATED AT 37 11 SAN FELIPE STREET TO BE NOMINATED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
INWOOD MANOR IS A 16 STORY NEW FORMALIST, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING FACING NORTH ON ITS TRIANGULAR 2.86 ACRE PARCEL IN HOUSTON'S UPSCALE RIVER OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WAS COMPLETED AND OPENED IN 1964 AS AN APARTMENT BUILDING BEFORE CONVERTING TO A CONDOMINIUM IN 1977.
DESIGNED BY ACCLAIMED LOCAL FIRM NEWHOUSE AND TAYLOR ARCHITECTS, THE CRUCIFORM PLAN BUILDING UTILIZES A FLAT ROOF, ORIGINAL EXPOSED ARCH CONCRETE FRAME, ORIGINAL ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS, AND A BASEMENT FOUNDATION.
IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES ITS ORIGINAL SURFACE PARKING LOTS, ORIGINAL HIGHLY STYLIZED LANDSCAPING, AND A NON-ORIGINAL SWIMMING POOL WITH ORIGINAL POOL HOUSE.
WHEN INWOOD MANOR OPENED IN 1964, ADVERTISED AMENITIES INCLUDED A CLOSED CIRCUIT SECURITY SYSTEM, RESTAURANT, BEAUTY SALON, PRIVATE GARDENS, SWIMMING POOL, CONCIERGE HOUSEKEEPING, AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES.
DESPITE ALTERATIONS TO THE SWIMMING POOL AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS, INWOOD MANNER RETAINS ALL ASPECTS OF ITS INTEGRITY.
INWOOD MANNER IS ELIGIBLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL UNDER CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE WITH A, UH, WITH A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF 1964, THE YEAR CONSTRUCTION FINISHED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HAAC SUPPORT THE NOMINATION OF THE FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES UNDER CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THIS IS THE TIME TO ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? UH, I HAVE ONE ACTUALLY.
PLEASE, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, IF IN THE FUTURE, UH, THIS, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN NOMINATED AND ACCEPTED, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE FACADE WILL, UH, YOU CANNOT, UH, CHANGE THE FACADE ANYMORE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN STILL CHANGE? AND THEN, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHAT ARE WE NOMINATING HERE FOR? UH, WELL, THE NATIONAL REGISTRY HAS NO PROTECTION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY A RECOGNITION, UH, THAT IT MEETS CERTAIN, UH, NATIONAL STANDARDS, UH, WHETHER IT IS BASED ON LOCAL, STATE OR NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, UH, THEY, THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM A LANDMARK IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON, FOR INSTANCE.
THIS IS SIMPLY, UM, LETTING IT MORE OF A REFERRAL TO LET US KNOW THAT THIS HISTORIC RESOURCE, UM, IT WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR, UH, APPLICATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST TO GET OUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK AS, AS PRESERVATIONISTS, WE CAN OSTENSIBLY ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BECOME A TAX CREDIT PROJECT.
UM, IF THERE'S INTEREST IN REDEVELOPING IT OR, OR UPDATING IT, AND THAT THEN THE SECRETARY STANDARDS, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS WOULD APPLY AND IT WOULD, AND THEY'RE FAIRLY RIGOROUS ABOUT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL REVIEW LEVEL.
SO THERE'S SOME, UM, PROTECTION.
SO, SO NOT PROTECTION, BUT SO LIKE A NO, WHAT I CAN SAY, UH, BECAUSE I, I HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THIS BUILDING AND I'M AWARE WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT WORK IS INTENDED TO OCCUR, AND THE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING A TAX CREDIT PROJECT, THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY IN MANY WAYS WOULD BE EVEN MORE STRICT THAN WHAT WE, UM, LOOK AT HERE.
SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT DOESN'T KEEP SOMEONE FROM TEARING DOWN A STRUCTURE.
MANY STRUCTURES ON NATIONAL REGISTRY ACTUALLY ARE, ARE, ARE REMOVED, BUT IT DOES ADD A CERTAIN, UM, MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF ITS SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IN MANY CASES HELPS TO SAVE THINGS.
AND, UM, BUT FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT DO PARTICIPATE
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IN THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, UH, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW VERY RIGOROUS, UH, NATIONAL STANDARDS FROM THE, THE PARK SERVICE.AND I THINK COMMISSIONER JONES, I KNOW A LOT OF YOUR WORK IS IN THIS, IN THIS AREA OF OVERSIGHT, BUT IT'S, UM, NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE CAN HAPPEN TO THE BUILDING.
AND, AND THAT IN THIS THING, THIS ACTUALLY ALSO IS BOTH INTERIOR FOCUS, NOT JUST EXTERIOR FOR, FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. BUT, UM, SURE.
SO I'M NOT HEARING ANY, UH, CONCERNS FOR THE NOMINATION.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C AND ITEM C IS A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR THE MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE AT 6 1 0 0 0 MAIN STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON.
AGAIN, I SUBMIT ITEM C FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE NOMINATION OF MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE.
LOCATED AT RICE UNIVERSITY, 6,100 MAIN STREET TO BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES OPEN IN 1965, RICE UNIVERSITY'S MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE NAMED FOR ITS BENEFACTOR IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLEGE ORIGINALLY BUILT TO HOUSE THE INFLUX OF WOMEN PURSUING HIGHER EDUCATION IN THE 1950S AND SIXTIES.
BUILT IN RESPONSE TO THE EN ENROLLMENT OF WOMEN EXCEEDING THE CAPACITY OF OTHER EXISTING RESIDENCE HALLS.
BROWN COLLEGE ALSO REPRESENTS A BUILDING TYPOLOGY KNOWN AS THE UNIVERSITY RESIDENTIAL TOWER OR HIGH RISE DORMITORY.
A TREND OF BUILDING HIGH RISE RESIDENCE HALLS FIRST BEGAN IN UNIVERSITIES OUTSIDE OF TEXAS IN THE 1950S AND 1960S IN RESPONSE TO THE CO TO THE SPIKE IN COLLEGE ENROLLMENT AFTER WORLD WAR II AND SUBSEQUENT SHORTAGES IN STUDENT HOUSING.
HIGH-RISE DESIGNS ALLOWED UNIVERSITIES CON TO CONSERVE LAND BY BUILDING VERTICALLY A DEPARTURE FROM TRADITIONAL RESIDENCE HALL PLANS.
BROWN COLLEGE WAS THE FIRST HIGH RISE DORMITORY IN HOUSTON.
ITS DESIGN IN A TRIPLE MAST STOUT H PLAN MIGRATED NOISE ISSUES, A FREQUENT PROBLEM IN LATER HIGH RISE RESIDENCE HALLS.
WHILE CO-EDUCATIONAL TODAY AT ITS OPENING, BROWN COLLEGE ENABLED MORE WOMEN TO LIVE ON CAMPUS AND ACCESS THE EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE TO THEIR MALE COUNTERPARTS, MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE IS NOW THE ONLY BUILDING THAT CAN CONVEY THE HISTORY OF WOMEN'S EDUCATION AT RICE UNIVERSITY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HAC SUPPORT THE NOMINATION OF MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES UNDER CRITERION A IN THE AREA OF EDUCATION AND CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE CHAIRS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM.
UH, WOULD EMILY RYAN, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD LIKE THAT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PRESERVATION HOUSTON IN SUPPORT OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FOR MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE AGENDA.
HOUSTON ALSO FULLY SUPPORTS THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS FOR THE FIRST CITY NATIONAL BANK AND INWOOD MATTER MANNER AGENDA ITEMS A AND B.
BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK PERSONALLY ON THIS NOMINATION AS A FORMER STUDENT AND RESIDENT OF THE BUILDING.
MARGARET RU BROWN COLLEGE IS A SURVIVING EXAMPLE OF THE LEGACY OF THE WOMEN'S EDUCATION HISTORY AT RICE.
ALTHOUGH FEMALE STUDENTS HAD HAD BEEN ADMITTED TO RICE UNIVERSITY FROM ITS FOUNDING, IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE OPENING OF THE MARY GIBBS JONES COLLEGE IN 1957 THAT WOMEN WERE ALLOWED TO LIVE ON CAMPUS.
THE LATER OPENING OF THE MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE IN 1965 ALLOWED FOR THE EXPANSION AND CONTINUED SUPPORT OF WOMEN RESIDING ON CAMPUS AND PURSUING HIGHER LEVEL EDUCATION AT RICE UNIVERSITY.
BECAUSE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAS DETERMINED THAT JONES COLLEGE NO LONGER RETAINS SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY TO QUALIFY FOR INDIVIDUAL LISTING, WE BELIEVE IT IS IMPERATIVE TO SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF THE MARGARET ROOT BROWN COLLEGE BUILDING.
IT IS THE LAST RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON CAMPUS THAT NOT ONLY MAINTAINS MUCH OF ITS ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND INTEGRITY, BUT ALSO CONTINUES TO PRESERVE AND REFLECT THIS IMPORTANT HISTORY INSPIRING FUTURE STUDENTS AT RICE UNIVERSITY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING ANYONE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL, NOT HEARING ANY CONCERNS? UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UM, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THESE PROJECTS, UH,
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BEING, UM, UH, ADVANCE FOR, UM, THE FINAL REVIEWS FOR NATIONAL REGISTRY.WITH THIS WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECLASSIFICATION OF 3 2 0 EAST 20 STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 8 IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NON-CONTRIBUTING.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM D AT THREE 20 EAST 20TH STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1930 PER INVENTORY.
HCA SHOWS A BUILD DATE OF 1945 FOR THE BUILDING ON THE SITE.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 2008, WHEN THE HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 2008 DASH FOUR, THE DISTRICT INVENTORY LABELED THREE 20 EAST 20TH, A POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING PC COMMERCIAL 1930 STRUCTURE.
THE PC LABEL LIKELY STEMMED FROM THE MAIN BUILDING ORIGINALLY COVERED IN 1 0 5.
WOOD SIDING BEING CLAD OVER WITH ALUMINUM SIDING.
HCA SHOWS A BILL DATE OF 1945 FOR THE BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE.
SITE DOCUMENTS SUPPLIED FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVE INCLUDES A BLOCK BOOK RECORD THAT SHOWS THAT A PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION WAS ISSUED IN NOVA NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF 1944 FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO AMEND THE CLASSIFICATION OF THIS STRUCTURE FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THE DIRECTOR FELT THAT THE AGENT HAS A STRONG CASE TO BE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL COMMISSION.
THE AGENT, MS. DAVIS, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND, AND THERE ARE OTHER, UM, SPEAKERS AS WELL.
WITH THIS I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
AND I'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, WITH BECKY DAVIS.
AND IF YOU COULD ALSO RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS BECKY DAVIS AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PATSY KELLY, THE OWNER.
I'M REQUESTING THAT THREE 20 EAST 20TH STREET BE RIGHT RECLASSIFIED.
AS NON-CONTRIBUTING THE CITY OFTEN REFERENCES MCALLISTER'S FIELD GUIDE TO AMERICAN HOMES MCALLISTER MARKS 1940 AS THE END OF THE PRE-WAR CRAFTSMAN AND PERIOD REVIVAL ERA STATING THAT AFTER WORLD WAR II STYLES AND LIFESTYLES CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.
THAT ALIGNS WITH THE HEIGHTS GUIDELINES GENERAL WITH A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF GENERALLY THE FORTIES.
THE DATA, ABOUT 96% OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES WERE BUILT BY 1940 AND ROUGHLY 99% WERE BUILT BY 1945.
THREE 20 EAST 20TH STREET DOES NOT FIT THAT STORY BUILT IN 45 AND 46.
IT'S A SMALL TWO STORY POST-WAR VERNACULAR COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
ESSENTIALLY A YARD OFFICE STORE FOR AN ADJACENT LUMBER YARD AND WAREHOUSE.
USE THE GABLE FRONT MASSING FULL WIDTH, PROJECTING FLAT CANOPY, PLAIN SYMMETRICAL FACADE, AND MINIMAL TRIM ARE HALLMARKS OF AUTO, AUTO ORIENTED UTILITARIAN CONSTRUCTION THAT PROLIFERATED AFTER WAR OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT'S DESIGN, DESIGN, VOCABULARY, GUIDANCE, AND PRECEDENT POINT THE SAME WAY THE HEIGHT STYLE GUIDELINES DESCRIBE CONTRIBUTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FOR THE MOST PART AS BRICK OR STONE MASONRY, WHICH IS TRUE OF CONTRIBUTING COMMERCIAL RESOURCES IN HEIGHTS EAST.
WHILE A FEW POST 1945 INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS, CHURCHES, THE MASONIC LODGE ARE MASONRY AND MAY CONTRIBUTE FOR THEIR CIVIC TOPOLOGY AND CRAFTED DETAILING.
THEY ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE PART, UH, APPROPRIATE POINT OF COMPARISON FOR A UTILITARIAN YARD OFFICE.
UM, SO THREE 20 EAST 20TH IS NOT MASONRY AND DOES NOT EMBODY THE DISTRICT'S COMMERCIAL DESIGN LANGUAGE.
THERE'S ALSO AN INVENTORY ERROR.
THE LISTING SHOWS 1930, UM, BUT RESEARCH CONFIRMS 1945 TO 1946 PLACING IT POST-WAR AND OUTSIDE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE CONSISTENT WITH HEIGHTS.
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BUILDINGS THAT DON'T REFLECT THE DISTANCE DISTRICT'S VOCABULARY ARE TREATED AS NON UH, CONTRIBUTING.ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AREA, 20TH STREET IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THERE ARE, THERE'S ONLY, THERE IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON 20TH STREET, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN 19 AT POST 1950.
SO WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE HOW IT GOT ONTO THE CONTRIBUTING, BUT, UM, IN SUMMATION, THE RECLASSIFICATION CORRECTS THE RECORD, KEEPS THE INVENTORY CREDIBLE, AND PROTECTS WHAT THE DISTRICT WAS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE.
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
UM, I DON'T SEE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, SO I DO HAVE THREE, THREE MORE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THE ITEM.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP IS BECKY DAVIS.
AND THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, PATSY KELLY.
AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD.
MY, UM, HUSBAND WAS BORN AT THIS LOCATION AND LIVED THERE MOST OF HIS LIFE.
HIS GRANDFATHER BUILT THIS LOCATION AND THAT WAS IN 1945 AND THE LUMBER YARD WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IN 74 WHEN THE GRANDMOTHER DIED.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS RECLASSIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN ERROR.
IT WAS NOT BUILT IN 1930 AND IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BIG THOROUGHFARE BUSES, YARD MEN.
IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PATSY KELLY, FOLLOWED BY KYLE KELLY, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE RE FOR THE, IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD.
UM, I GREW UP AT THE PROPERTY, UM, LIVED IN THE HEIGHTS MOST OF MY LIFE.
UH, I DO OWN PROPERTY IN THE HEIGHTS, TWO BLOCKS FROM THIS LOCATION ON THREE 20 EAST 20TH.
AND, UH, I SUPPORT THE RECLASSIFICATION.
HELLO, I'M AMY GRAY AND I AM A NEIGHBOR.
AND, UM, LAST SUNDAY, ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAD A MEETING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND WE ALL AGREED THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE RECLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THAT I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR LEGAL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON IS THERE WITHOUT HAVING BEEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE WHOLE PACKET, IS THERE PROOF THAT WE KNOW THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, OTHER THAN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS, UH, THE PERMITS IN THE HCA, UM, HISTORY REFLECT, UH, REFLECT WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS MADE.
I BELIEVE STAFF IS IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT.
SO THE ABSTRACT, SO, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET THE EXACT LANGUAGE.
SO FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY AR ARCHIVES, WE, WE DID GET, UM, PROOF THAT IT WAS IN 19, BUILT IN 1945.
UM, THE BLOCK BOOK RECORD, WHICH WAS, UM, ATTACHED IN THE STAFF REPORT DOES, UH, HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OF 1944.
OH, AND, UM, I'M SORRY IF I MAY, UM, I WAS NOT ON THE SITE VISIT, BUT UM, THE INSPECTOR DID CONFIRM THAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1940S.
MR. YEAH, ACTUALLY MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THAT.
UH, SO IS THE SITE INSPECTOR AT, AT THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW? NO, HE'S NOT, BUT BUT THERE ARE PHOTOS FROM THE SITE VISIT IF YOU LIKE.
BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT, UH, IN 1944 THERE WERE HARDLY ANYMORE BUILDINGS BUILT WITH, UH, LET'S SAY SHIPLAP OR WINDOWS WITH THEIR HUNG WITH WEIGHTS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE WINDOWS I SEE LOOKS LIKE ONE OVER ONE, BUT ARE THEY ACTUALLY WEIGHT BEARING WINDOWS OR ARE THERE ONE OF THOSE MORE MODERN ONES COMPARED TO THOSE? BECAUSE I'M STILL SKEPTICAL ABOUT, I DON'T THINK 1930
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IS CORRECT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE H CAT RECORD, EVERY OTHER HOUSE IS 1930 IN, IN, IN HISTORIC, UH, H CAT RECORDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE HISTORY THAT GOES BACK FURTHER.BUT IN 19 44, 45, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE, IF THEY ARE USED TO BE BEING BUILDING OLDER, THAT I WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION THAT THEY DID, THEY DO NOT EXIST.
UM, SO WHO DID THE SITE VISIT? UM, UH, PETE AND ROMAN, AND THEY'RE BOTH NOT HERE.
UM, BUT TO, TO JUST SAY THAT THE 1944 OR 1945 DATE DID NOT COME FROM HCA, IT CAME FROM HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVES FROM THE BLOCK BOOK RECORD.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND YOU ASKED ME, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ONLY THE FRONT BUILDING THAT WE WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT, THE REST OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, THEY'RE ALSO, THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING OR, OR EVEN POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY, UM, IT'S ONLY THIS FRONT, UH, STOREFRONT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING.
HOW LARGE WAS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING? THAT'S NOT TRUE.
BOTH BUILDINGS ARE, ARE LABELED AS CONTRIBUTING THE WAREHOUSE AND THE BUILDINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S ATTACHED, LIKE IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE ATTACHED, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT IT, THE, THE ADDITION OR LIKE THE ATTACHED BUILDINGS WERE BUILT LATER AND NOT IN THE FORTIES.
I TOOK THIS FROM, UM, ROMAN AS HE'S OUT, SO JUST SURE.
WOULD YOU LIKE HER TO COME AND SURE.
WHY DON'T WE, UH, ASK A QUESTION.
JUST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER PLEASE.
AND YOU COULD JUST RESTATE YOUR NAME.
WE WE'RE JUST, I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT ONLY THE FRONT STRUCTURE WAS THE PARTICULAR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE REST OF THE STRUCTURES WERE NOT LABELED AS CONTRIBUTING OR POTENTIAL THREE THREE.
THIS IS PATSY KELLY, THE OWNER THREE 20 EAST 20TH IN THE HEIGHTS IS COMPRISES OF THREE LOTS.
ALL ARE LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING.
EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULDN'T BE 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T BUILT IN THE 1930S.
I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE KEPT STUFF.
I'M TRYING TO GET RID OF 80 YEARS OF STUFF.
AND IT'S LISTED AS DECEMBER 22ND, 1944.
NOW TH FATHER GOD, OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT UM, SHOW THAT IT WAS OWNED BY PREVIOUS OWNER.
PREVIOUS OWNER WAS, IT WAS ONE OF IT WAS VACANT LAND.
YEAH, IT WAS VACANT LAND THAT WAS NOTHING THERE BEFORE THEY STARTED DIGGING, MOVING DIRT AROUND IN 1944 DECEMBER.
CAN I ASK THIS, DOES STAFF HAVE, UM, I MEAN THIS ISN'T A COA SO WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
HAS STAFF DISCUSSED THIS? THEY HAVE A, A, UH, AN OPINION, IF I CAN GET LEGAL'S, UH, OPINION ON, ON THIS.
UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THE RECLASSIFICATION, UM, THE DIRECTOR IS EITHER APPROVES THAT IT COMES TO COMMISSION OR DOES NOT.
UM, AND, AND AS, AS I MENTIONED, THE DIRECTOR FELT THAT THE AGENT HAS A STRONG CASE TO BE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THE TWO, THE TWO BASIC CRITERIA, UH, AT LEAST TWO CRITERIA ARE THAT, UM, IT WAS MISCLASSIFIED AS AN EARLIER CONSTRUCTION DATE, WHICH IT IS, IT'S PROVEN NOT TO.
AND ALSO THAT THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S ACCURATE.
MR. COS YOU SO A QUESTION, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT THAT, THAT SEEMS TO ME TO FALL MORE UNDER THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DEMOLISH THE IMPROVEMENTS RATHER THAN RECLASSIFY THREE LOTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
BECAUSE IF, IF THE, IF THE STRUCTURE IS OUTSIDE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE AND WE HAVE PROOF OF THAT, THEN I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION WOULD BE SYMPATHETIC TO GRANTING A DEMOLITION REQUEST.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO RECLASSIFY THE LOTS JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE.
WELL, WELL I DON'T KNOW THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT'S, ALTHOUGH I CAN'T IMAGINE AS YOU, AS YOU SAY, BUT, UM, I DON'T, IF IT'S, MY QUESTION FOR KIM
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IS THAT IF A PROJECT WAS POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING, IT COULD NOT BE DEMOLISHED OUTRIGHT.I MEAN, IT'D HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE DEMOLITION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE QUITE STRINGENT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPLICATION.
WE MAY SEE ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY DEPENDING ON HOW THIS COMMISSION VOTES.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY, LIKE, I MEAN, TO ME IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF, I GUESS IF THE PERIOD SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD EXTENDED INTO THE 1960S, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IT DOESN'T.
THIS MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THE MOMENT.
BUT IT IS, UM, IT'S, IT, THE, THE DATE IN THE INVENTORY IS INCORRECT AND THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE ENDS REALLY IN THE BEGINNING OF THE 1940S.
AND NOT, AND NOT EXTENDING BEYOND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING EXCEPTIONAL, UH, AFTER THAT DATE.
AND THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THAT IN THE DISTRICTS HERE IN HOUSTON.
UM, BUT, AND I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF VISITING LUMBER STORES AS AN ARCHITECT.
IT'S, I, I LIKE, I, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, BUT
WELL, I, I WOULD ARGUE THAT YEAH, THAT THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IS, IS INTENDED AS A GUIDELINE.
UM, AND THAT THIS BUILDING HAS STOOD FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER PART OF 70 YEARS AND, AND THAT IT, IT, UH, WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING WHERE WE TO ASSESS THE DISTRICT NOW.
SO I, TO ME, THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRONGER ARGUMENT FOR, UM, DECLASSIFYING IT THAN JUST THE ACTUAL DATE OF CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR RECLASSIFICATION IN THAT IT WAS MISCLASSIFIED AND IT WAS BUILT OUTSIDE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
TO ME, IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD VOTE.
I, I MOVE THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A, A, A MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT RECLASSIFICATION OF THIS PROPERTY BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS MISCLASSIFIED ORIGINALLY AND THAT IT WAS BUILT OUT OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SO I'M NOT SEEING A SECOND, SO IF WITHOUT A SECOND, UM, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF THERE'S NO SECOND.
UM, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, SO STAFF HASN'T MADE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT UM, THE DIRECTOR HAS, UM, IN BRINGING IT TO US, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY MORE ACTION ON THIS ITEM, IF THERE'S NOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TAKE ANOTHER ACTION ON THE ITEM.
IF THE ACTION IS TO DISAPPROVE THE DIRECTOR'S RECOMMENDATION AND DISAPPROVE THE RECLASSIFICATION, THIS IS A ZONING MATTER.
REMEMBER THIS GOES FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE RESOLUTION THAT DESIGNATED THIS.
SO IT HAS TO GO FORWARD, UM, WITH A REPORT FROM YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IS THERE, LEMME JUST SAY THIS.
IS THERE A REASON TO DEFER THIS, THIS POTENTIAL ACTION GIVEN THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WINDOWS AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING.
THERE WAS JUST ONE OF I WAS ABOUT TO RECOMMEND BECAUSE THE TWO CRITICAL PEOPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM WHO VISITED THE SITE ARE NOT HERE TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT ARE TO BE BASICALLY WITH THIS RECLASSIFICATION.
THE INTENT IS TO TEAR EVERY BUILDING DOWN.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT PICTURE NUMBER ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PRESENTATION, I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND I'M WAITING FOR THE, THE MIDDLE PICTURE OF THE MIDDLE PORTION AND THE LEFT PORTION.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A WAREHOUSE WITH THE WINDOWS ALL BEING HORIZONTAL PANEL.
BUT THE, THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT LOOKS VERY HISTORICAL IN THE SENSE THAT THEIR WINDOWS ARE ONE OH WAR ONE HUNG VERTICALLY, UH, TO SCALE FOR A CONSTRUCTION THAT IS BUILT DURING THE 19, EVEN TWENTIES, THIRTIES AND FORTIES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER THERE, THIS CONSTRUCTION IS ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF HISTORICAL MATERIALS BECAUSE THAT IN MAY IMPACT HOW I VOTE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION NOW TO DEFER BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE SITE VISIT REPORT BASICALLY.
IS THERE, IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER STAAVA SECONDS ES STAAVA SECONDS.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THAT, THAT ITEM IS, IS DEFERRED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM E TERRANCE, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS.
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GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC.I AM STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION.
ITEMS E 4 7 0 2 EUCLID STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION GARAGE, WOODLAND HEIGHTS APPROVAL ITEM E 5 8 1 1 BERNARD STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS APPROVAL E 6 1 2 2 2 RUTLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM E 7 9 2 5 COURTLAND STREET, ALTERATION OF SIDING, TRIM DOORS, WINDOWS, PORCH OR BALCONY.
AND THE ROOF IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM E 8 3 0 9 BAILIN BAILIN ALTERATION ADDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM E 9 2 0 1 WEST 15TH STREET, ALTERATION SIGNAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM E 12 2 0 4 0 WEST GRAY STREET, ALTERATION SIGNAGE, UH, A LANDMARK IN THE RIVER, RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM E 13 1 0 5 0 YALE STREET, ALTERATION SIGNAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM E 14 1 2 2 5 OXFORD STREET ALTERATION, ADDITION DOORS, PORCH OR BALCONY AND ROOF IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL 2 0 1 0, I'M SORRY, E 15 2 0 1 10 STATE STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RES RESIDENCE IN THE OLD SIX WARD.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL E 16 5 1 6 WEST MAIN STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS.
HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL AND ITEM E 17 1 0 2 0 EAST 16TH STREET, ALTERATION OF DOORS AND OTHERS IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR.
THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE PROCEEDING.
ITEMS, ITEMS PROPOSED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, THEREFORE ARE ITEMS E ONE, E TWO, E THREE, E 10, AND E 11.
WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU TERRANCE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS ON CON THE PROPOSED CONSENT LIST YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER EIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I DO HAVE A FEW, UH, FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS ON THIS LIST OF CONSENT.
UM, ITEMS NINE AND 16 AND ITEM FIVE.
UM, IF YOU SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S NO NEED, UH, TO BRING THIS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, YOU, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY AT THIS TIME TO PULL THIS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION.
UH, WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM E NINE.
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NINE.OKAY, SO THE CONSENT AGENDA PROPOSED BY STAFF AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR, UM, ITEMS E FOUR, E FIVE, E SIX, E SEVEN, E 12, E 13, E 14, E 15, E 16, AND E 17.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS MODIFIED LIST OF CONSENT ITEMS AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THESE ITEMS? COMMISSIONER YAP.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LET, WE'LL WE, WE'LL LET, WE'LL LET, WE'LL LET COMMISSIONER STAVE A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT? AYE AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THOSE ITEMS PASSES AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE.
THANK YOU TWO CHAIR, HICK AND MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM E ONE AT FOUR 10 MAIN STREET.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 3,960 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY BRICK FRONT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE SITUATED ON A 2036 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BRICK FRONT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1877, LOCATED IN THE MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD A NEW BALCONY AND RESTORE THE HISTORIC FACADE AS PART OF THE MAIN STREET BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
TRANSOMS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN BALCONY TO BE AS WIDE AS CANOPY SHOWN ON SANBORN, REMOVE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL JOINTS ON SECOND FLOOR FACADE AND SIMPLIFY THE STOREFRONT PER HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION.
THE AGENT, SAM NUAS, IS HERE AND HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UNDER ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SELECTING THROUGH CURRENTLY? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? ARE THERE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS THAT ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT TO RECEIVE, I JUST WANNA CYCLE THROUGH THE, THE DIFFERENT IMAGES.
THE, CAN YOU GO TO THE ELEVATIONS? WE HAVE THIS AS FRONT ELEVATION AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A SIDE ELEVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGN UP FOR THIS ITEM.
UM, THE SECOND SPEAKER IS ANN LES.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, MY NAME IS ANN CALLIS AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE FACADE AND BALCONY PROJECT FOR FOUR 10 MAIN STREET.
UM, A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN OWNED BY MY FAMILY SINCE THE SEVENTIES.
IT WAS GIVEN TO MY HUSBAND AND I IN 1997 TO FIX UP AND LIVE IN.
AT THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND PRETTY MUCH ALL OF DOWNTOWN WAS A GHOST TOWN.
AS NEWLYWEDS, MY HUSBAND AND I WERE YOUNG AND DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
AND THE PROSPECT OF AN OLD FIXING UP AN OLD BUILDING TO LIVE IN WAS A GREAT IDEA.
WE LOVE THE BUILDING AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING IT OUR HOME.
HOWEVER, THE BUILDING WAS TOO BIG OF AN UNDERTAKING FOR TWO 20 SOMETHINGS AT THE TIME, SO WE ENDED UP LEASING IT TO THE JONES BAR.
FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE HAVE WEATHERED THE STORM OF GOOD TIMES AND BAD.
SOME YEARS WE'RE ABLE TO RENT OUT OUR BUILDING, BUT THERE ARE MANY YEARS THAT IT STAYED VACANT.
NOT BY CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IN THAT AREA COULDN'T SUPPORT IT.
OUR LITTLE BUILDING HAS WEATHERED THE STORM TOO.
SHE'S BEEN MANY THINGS IN HER LIFETIME, A TAILOR SHOP, A CAFE, AN ARCADE, A CLUB, AND EVEN A VAUDEVILLE THEATER.
HER FACADE HAS GONE THROUGH MANY CHANGES AS WELL.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO SPRUCING HER UP AND BRINGING HER BACK TO HER FORMER BEAUTY.
WE'RE ECSTATIC TO SEE THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND PLANS FOR THE MAIN STREET PROMENADE, AND I'M SO HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE MAIN STREET A DESIRABLE AND VIBRANT DESTINATION.
WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE GRANT TO REJUVENATE OUR FACADE AND SPECIFICALLY TO ADD A BALCONY.
I CHOSE THREE SIMILAR BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IMMEDIATE VICINITY TO SHOW THAT THE BALCONY WOULD BE A VIABLE OPTION AT THREE 10 MAIN STREET.
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OH, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THIS BUILDING HAS A BALCONY NOW, BUT DIDN'T HAVE ONE HISTORICALLY, OR EVEN IN 1980.WHEN THIS BOOK, THE LAST, THE LAST OF THE PAST, HOUSTON ARCHITECTURE 1846 THROUGH 1915 WAS WRITTEN BY WILLIAM SCOTTFIELD FOR THE GREATER HOUSTON PRESERVATION ALLIANCE.
THIS SHOWS THAT BEFORE THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS A PLAIN FACADE AND NOW IT HAS A BALCONY.
THIS IS THE BALCONY THAT WE ARE MOST TRYING TO EMULATE WITH OUR BUILDING, BOTH IN SIZE AND STYLE.
MOTION TO GRANT SPEAKER MORE OVER TIME.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO EMULATE THAT BALCONY BOTH IN SIZE AND STYLE.
IT'S EXACTLY ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM OUR BUILDING.
THERE ARE MANY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO.
ANOTHER BUILDING THAT IS VERY CLOSE BY IS 1912, UH, PRAIRIE STREET.
THIS IS THE SHOE MARKET BUILDING.
THIS IS ANOTHER HISTORIC BUILDING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THAT DID NOT HAVE A BALCONY HISTORICALLY, BUT IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1990S.
AND I HAVE PHOTOS OF IT BEFORE THE BALCONY WAS THERE.
ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS VERY INTERESTING IS FOUR 19 TRAVIS STREET.
THIS IS THE, I THINK MAYBE THE EL BIG BAT AT ONE TIME.
UM, THIS, THIS BUILDING FRONTS TRAVIS, BUT STRETCHES ALONG PRESTON ALSO.
THIS ONE ORIGINALLY HAD A CANOPY OVERHANG, BUT NOW IT HAS A BALCONY.
AND I'M USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE THAT THE CANOPY OVERHANGS ARE FINE, BUT THE BALCONY IS A MORE VIABLE OPTION FOR US.
I BELIEVE THAT A BALCONY WOULD VASTLY IMPROVE NOT JUST THE FACADE OF OUR BUILDING, BUT WOULD MAKE THE 400 BLOCK OF MAIN STREET APPEAR MORE INVITING, MORE SHADE DURING THE DAY TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND MORE LIT UP ACTIVITY OUTSIDE THE BUILDING AT NIGHT TO MAKE THE AREA MORE APPEALING, SAFE AND VIBRANT.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, UH, FOR SAM GENUS.
HELLO, SAM GENUS CREOLE DESIGN.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW THAT.
I MEAN, SHE PRETTY MUCH HIT ALL THE POINTS.
THE, UM, UH, WHEN SHE BROUGHT THE BUILDING TO ME, THE FACE OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE IS, CAN WE SHOW THAT, UM, ON YOUR REPORT? I THINK IT'S PAGE FOUR OF 19.
UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS, IS REALLY IN BAD STATE.
UH, SO WE WANT TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AND, AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL SURROUNDS ON THE WINDOW AND, AND REALLY, UH, BRING IT BACK TO, ITS WHAT IT WAS INITIALLY WE'RE THE, THE, THE AWNING THAT WE'RE ATTACHING, OR THE BALCONY THAT WE'RE ATTACHING IS FREESTANDING FOR THE MOST PART.
SO YOU COULD TAKE THAT OFF IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND, AND NOT, UH, DAMAGE THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AT ALL.
SO I THINK THAT'S KEY FOR YOU GUYS TO KNOW AS WELL, THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING TO THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A, A RESTAURANT AND BAR AND IT HAS EVOLVED FROM A CLOTHING STORE TO A FIVE AND DIME TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND, AND NOW, RIGHT NOW THE RESTAURANT AND THE BAR WOULD LIKE AN UPSTAIRS SPACE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE BRING A LOT OF FUN TO MAIN STREET.
AND, UH, SINCE THIS BEAUTIFICATION OF MAIN STREET WAS IMPORTANT, I FELT LIKE THAT THIS WAS A GOOD, UH, FIX FOR THIS BUILDING.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MR. MCNEIL? MR. JANE LUCAS, HAVE YOU SEEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ON, ON THE CONDITIONS OF YOUR APPROVAL? I WAS, I WAS CONFUSED BY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO GO BACK WITH, I BELIEVE, AN AWNING THAT WAS IN A PHOTO THAT THEY HAD GIVEN US.
UM, IS THAT RIGHT ABOUT CAN YOU BE AS WIDE AS A CANOPY SHOWN ON THE SANDBORN? UM, IT, BUT IT IS ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH AS THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ANY DIFFERENCE.
ARE YOU, WOULD YOU OBJECT TO ANY OF THOSE APPROVAL CONDITIONS? NO, UH, NO.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT UPSTAIRS BALCONY AND, AND ARE ABLE TO RESTORE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE SAME WIDTH.
I I'M GONNA SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME WIDTH.
I I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, MISS YOUR COUCH.
SO FOR THE, FOR THE DESIGN OF THE, THE EYEBROWS OVER THE WINDOWS AND THE, THE PATTERN OF THE WINDOWS ON THE DOORS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IS THERE DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE IMAGINED? IT, IT IS, THERE'S DOCUMENTATION FOR IT.
AND BEHIND THAT SCREENING THAT YOU SEE THERE, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THAT CORNICE WORK ON THOSE WINDOWS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO REPLICATE IT AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE WHERE IT'S DAMAGED.
HOPEFULLY IT WON'T ALL BE DAMAGED BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE
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PICTURES LIKE THIS ONE, THE BLACK AND WHITE ONE, WHEN IT SAYS GOLDEN POT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT KIND OF DESIGN ON IT.I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE'S A MARK ON THE BRICK WHERE THERE WAS LIKE A CAST IRON KIND OF HOOD, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
I DO THINK THE BUILDING'S BEEN MODIFIED HEAVILY OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.
'CAUSE EVEN IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED FROM WHEN I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION, UM, FROM, IT'S A, IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S A MUCH OLDER BUILDING.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE STOREFRONT WAS PUT ON? I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS IN INSIDE, LIKE MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET AND FROM THE PICTURE? I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S IN SET.
ABOUT 18 INCHES IS ALL, UM, THE DOORS, THE THREE DOORS THAT ARE ON THE FRONT, UH, ARE ONLY IN SET ABOUT 18 INCHES.
WELL IT, SO ON THE HISTORIC, THE TAYLOR PICTURE LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SET LIKE EIGHT FEET.
I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU KNOW WHEN, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE HAS MOVED THAT STOREFRONT OUT, OUT MUST HAVE.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S BEEN THERE LIKE IT IS, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE RIP INTO IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEHIND THERE, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
UH, BUT OUR, I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO RETURN IT.
THE, THE ORIGINAL ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTE.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF COOL.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS LIKE THE, IT'S A PERSONAL THING.
THE RECESS IS THE WOOD RECESS.
YEAH, THE RECESS, THE STOREFRONT.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ON, ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TILE ON THE FLOOR OR PULLED UP THE NO.
ALL THE INTERIOR'S RIGHT NOW BEEN PRETTY MUCH, UH, TORN OUT AND, AND UM, AND, AND, AND ANN CAN PROBABLY SPEAK BETTER TO THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THEY DID THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE UPPER WINDOWS THROUGH THE, THE GRADING OR THAT, UH, MESH THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO TELL COMPLETELY WHAT'S BACK THERE UNTIL YOU RIP IT OFF.
SAM, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THE BUILDING AGAIN, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED GREATLY AND MANY TIMES OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, NOW OF COURSE THE SANDBORNE MAPS, LIKE IF FOR INSTANCE, IF THE, IF THE LOWER DOORS AND WINDOW WALL SYSTEM WERE CLOSER TO THE FRONT, SAY 18 INCHES BACK ONLY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'LL BE ON THE SANDBORNE MAP.
LIKE THAT'LL BE RECORDED THROUGH, THROUGH TIME.
AND I, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS A A, THERE WAS ONE AT LEAST SENT ONE SANBORN, UM, IN THE APPLICATION AND MAYBE WE COULD BLOW IT UP.
BUT, UM, MY, I GUESS MY SAYING MY SMALL QUESTION WAS ON YOUR PROPOSED ELEVATION, THERE'S SOME VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL LINES THAT LOOK LIKE STUCCO.
MY QUESTION IS, THIS BUILDING APPEARED TO BE ORIGINALLY A BRICK BUILDING YOU, YOU REFERRED TO YOU, YOU CAN SEE LIKE BEHIND THE SLIP COVER THAT'S THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE OLDER BRICK WORK AND ORNAMENTATION.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO BRING THE BRICK BACK, UM, BACK TO PRESENTATION BELOW OR, OR THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'LL FIND ONCE YOU DIG INTO THIS QUESTION? QUESTION BELIEVE IT'S, SO YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA FIND WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET THERE AND, AND WHETHER WE NEED EXPANSION JOINTS OR, OR WHETHER THERE ARE EXPANSION JOINTS ON THERE.
WHO KNOWS UNTIL WE GET, ARE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF AND SEE IT.
BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO RESTORE IT AND ANN'S INTENTION IS TO RESTORE IT BACK TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE AND ADD THAT FRONT BALCONY THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF THE BUILDING CAN BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE IF NECESSARY.
I CAN'T, CAN'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD, BUT, BUT, BUT IF IT WERE BRICK, IT WOULDN'T NEED EXPANSION JOINTS IF IT WAS SOLID BRICK MASONRY WALL.
AND THAT'S STILL IN INTACT AND STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION AS WELL.
SO SAM, IF I LOOK AT THE, UH, RENDITION MM-HMM
UH, SO I GUESS THE MIDDLE WINDOW YES.
DOES THAT DOUBLE AS A DOOR YES.
TO ACCESS THE BALCONY ON THE SECOND FLOOR? THAT, THAT'S A PROPOSED ALTERATION? YEP.
WELL I THINK I'M FOLLOWING ON FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER CA'S POSITION NUMBER ONE, THE CORNISHES.
THAT IS JUST ANOTHER ARTISTIC RENDITION, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT, ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF THAT? OR DO WE HAVE THAT? DO WE HAVE FLUSH THE, THE, THE CORNISH AND THE WINDOW SILL, IF YOU WILL? THE DENTAL WORK IS THERE FOR SURE AT THE TOP.
I DON'T SEE THAT ON ANY OF THE PICTURES.
I'M HAPPY TO MEET YOU OUT THERE ONE DAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO AND LOOK AT IT.
UM, I'M GOING LOOK AT THESE PICTURES AGAIN.
I HAVE THE, THE POOR FACADE IS NOT IN VERY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW AND IT WAS REALLY HARD TO TELL.
I ONLY HAVE RECORDS OF IT FROM THE SEVENTIES PERSONALLY OF WHAT I'VE SEEN.
UM, THE PICTURE I HAVE, WHICH IS THIS ONE IS, UM, IT DOES SHOW THE DENTAL WORK, BUT IT'S A PLAIN WINDOW TALKING CAMERA WINDOW.
THIS WAS TAKEN IN, UH, MAY, 1976.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DON'T SEE IT.
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RIGHT.BUT I THINK THAT THE, CAN WE CONFIRM A STAT, THE ORIGINAL DATE OF THIS BUILDING THAT'S IN THAT, THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION DATE OF THIS BUILDING, 1877.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, THIS PICTURE REFLECTS THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS WAS NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WAS BUILT IN 1877.
I, I'LL SAY, I MEAN, I'LL, I'VE, I WILL WAIT TO FIND OUT, LET'S SAY WHAT YOU DISCOVER, BUT, UM, I THINK THE BUILDING'S GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE CHANGES MM-HMM
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND REFLECTS DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS.
UM, SO IN THE 77 PICTURE, LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY MAYBE HAD REMOVED SOME STUFF ON THE, AROUND THOSE WINDOWS, BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THE WINDOWS WOULD BE JUST STOREFRONT WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
ON THAT SECOND LEVEL, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT 1877, THERE WERE VERY GOOD CREATIVE CRAFTSMEN AT THAT TIME, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THIS RECTANGULAR THING THAT I SEE UP THERE.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT LEVEL DO WE ALLOW THE ARTISTIC RENDITION TO GO FORWARD? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS VERY ARTISTIC TO ME, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S AUTHENTIC.
CAN I ASK STAFF TO TURN A PAGE EIGHT OF 19 ON OUR REPORT AND SHOW THE 1923 PHOTOS? I THINK PART OF THIS APPLICATION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THAT, IS THAT IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DIG INTO THIS FACADE, THEY CAN FIND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT, UH, STAFF COULD ARBITRATE THAT THAT EVIDENCE IF THEY FIND THE EVIDENCE, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, DISTRESS.
BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE GHOSTING OR OTHER OUTLINES OR CHANGE OF MATERIALS.
UM, MR. JONES, DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTO, PHOTO COMMENTARY ABOUT THE IMAGE OR JUST THE, JUST THE, THE NO, I THINK THIS, THINK THIS IS JUST AN EARLIER PHOTO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT ORNAMENTATION MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE BUILDING, BUT STILL RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A CHANGE FACADE FROM 1877.
I I THINK IT'S A, IT'S ALSO A, A, A RENOVATED FACADE AS WELL.
AND WE WANNA BRING IT BACK TO A, A BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE SOME SURROUNDS ON THE WINDOWS.
SOMETHING LIKE I, IN MY DRAWINGS THAT I SHOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR INTENTION.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST VERY BLAND, UH, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS BUILDING.
AND, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WERE DONE IN 1877 AND, AND PROVE UP TO YOU GUYS THAT THESE SURROUNDS WERE USED THEN AND, AND USE THOSE SURROUNDS.
BUT, OR KEEP DIGGING TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND PHOTOS OF THIS EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO.
AND WE'VE, A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, SAM.
UM, MY EXPERIENCE IS IF YOU PULL THINGS OFF, YOU'LL FIND EVIDENCE.
YOU FIND THAT OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS, THERE'LL STILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF GHOSTING OR SOME OUTLINE, EVEN IF IT'S MISSING, THAT WILL STILL INDICATE IT WAS THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A, A, AN EXAMPLE OF PROOF TO, TO, TO, TO JUSTIFY SUCH A POSITION.
SO COMMISSIONER, CLARIFICATION A QUESTION CLARIFI FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER STAAVA ON, UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS PICTURE AND BECAUSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THE TRANSOMS, I JUST WANTED TO, TO HAVE YOU CLARIFY FOR US, THE RENDERING SHOWS THE, THE PROPOSED BALCONY ABOVE THESE TRANSOM WINDOWS.
THAT IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
BECAUSE YOU NEED TO WALK OUT OF THAT SECOND FLOOR CENTER DOORWAY TO GET ONTO THAT BALCONY.
SO THE TRANSOMS WILL BE, UH, UNDERNEATH, UNDERNEATH THE, THE, UH, OKAY.
AS YOU WALK BY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRANSOMS ABOVE AND THEY WOULD BE THE SAME FOUR THAT WE SEE THERE IN THAT PHOTO.
I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT WHAT LOOKS LIKE PANELING ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS.
WILL THOSE BECOME YEAH, THE FOUR TRANSOM WINDOWS.
THOSE ARE THE TRANSOMS. YES MA'AM.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL REFLECT THE FOUR THAT ARE YEAH.
THAT ARE GONNA SHOW UP WHEN WE PULL THE SLIP COVER OFF.
AND AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE PETE STOCKTON OR ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE TO VISUALLY LOOK AT IT AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
UH, 'CAUSE WE, UH, ANN'S INTENTION IS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT ONCE WAS ACTUALLY LIKE IT WAS, BUT ALSO UNIFY THE AREA BECAUSE THAT IS A WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE PROMENADE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY WRONG WITH FOUR, THE 400 BLOCK OF MAIN STREET, IT'S VERY DARK.
PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO WALK DOWN THERE SOMETIMES.
AND I THINK HAVING A BALCONY, HAVING ACTIVITY OUTSIDE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE IT MORE APPEALING AND MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WALKING AROUND.
MR. STAAVA HAD A, HAD A QUESTION, I BELIEVE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE WHAT YOU JUST SAID A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU, WE WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE, THAT THIS LATE ADDED ON FACADE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE THINK IS A GHOSTING OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS.
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DO WE PLAY THAT OUT? THAT MEANS DO WE JUST SAY WE ARE GIVING THEM A COA TO REMOVE THAT FRONT FACADE AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE, SHOW US THE PROOF, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A, A BETTER, UH, CLOSER ANSWER.UH, UH, BECAUSE I REALLY HAVE, I'M REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME RIGHT NOW JUST APPROVING SOMETHING BASED ON, I'M SORRY MADAM, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFICATION.
I WANT TO BE TRUE TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF, OF THAT.
UH, I DO NOT WANNA SEE DISNEYLAND ON MAIN STREET EITHER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO SEE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHAT ARE THE DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS BUILDING.
COMMISSIONER, YOU WHAT? WELL, MR, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS GONNA SAY, I MEAN, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION AND JUST HAVE, ALLOWING STAFF TO EVALUATE THE PROPERTY.
LIKE ONCE YOU GET IT TAKEN APART A LITTLE, JUST ALLOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
I MEAN, IF STAFF GOES OUT AND SAYS, LOOK, THERE'S THE GHOSTING, AND THEN WELL, BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
WHAT AM I APPROVING? I'M APPROVING THIS FACADE.
THEN IF WE, IF WE VOTE ON, THEN I'M APPROVING THIS PICTURE, BUT I'M NOT, NOT AGREEABLE TO APPROVING THIS PICTURE.
WELL, I THINK THAT THE, I'M GONNA, BEFORE WE VOTE IF, IF THERE'S A MOTION, I'M GONNA ASK STAFF, STAFF TO RESTATE THEIR MOTION.
'CAUSE THEY CONDITIONS ON THE MOTION.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY JUST WHAT WE SEE.
THEY, THEY'RE, IT, YASMIN, COULD YOU JUST RESTATE, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, THE CLARIFICATIONS THAT OKAY.
THE CONDITION THAT STAFF WANTS TO HAVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
TRANSOMS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN BALCONY TO BE AS WIDE AS CANOPY SHOWN ON SANBORN REMOVAL OF VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL JOINTS ON SECOND FLOOR FACADE.
SIMPLIFY THE STOREFRONT PER HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION.
SO WHAT WE SEE IN THE APPLICATION IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT STAFF IS SIGNING OFF ON MM-HMM
BUT THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL, WE HAVE ALLOWED PROJECTS TO PROCEED TO UNCOVER MORE, AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY DO COME BACK TO US.
BUT IF, IF THEY CAN JUSTIFY THIS, I THINK THEY'RE ASKING PERMISSION TO ADD A BALCONY, NUMBER ONE.
AND I THINK THERE IS SOME, UM, TIME IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE IS A GRANT PROGRAM ON THE STREET.
IT IS, IT IS SPECIFICALLY TIMED FOR AN EVENT NEXT YEAR THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO GET, UH, TO GET READY FOR.
AND, AND ALSO IT'S PART OF THIS CLOSURE OF THE VEHICLE, UH, ON VEHICLE, UH, VEHICLES ON THIS SECTION OF THE STREETS TO PROMOTE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY LOCATION.
OBVIOUSLY BACK BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING, EVERY BUILDING HAD EITHER A CANOPY OR A BALCONY BECAUSE IT WAS TOO HOT TO WALK OUTSIDE WITHOUT THAT PASSIVE SHADE.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE THIS BODY IS, DO WE SUPPORT HAVING A BALCONY? THE BALCONY MAY NEED TO BE SIMPLIFIED BECAUSE IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T FIND A PHOTOGRAPH OR SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WHAT IT IS, LIKE COMMISSIONER COUCH, OFTEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO JUSTIFY THESE THINGS BASED ON CAN WE PROVE IT WAS THIS WAY? AND IF NOT, CAN, CAN WE SIMPLIFY IT? LIKE WE, WE SEE A LOT OF STRUCTURES IN GALVESTON THAT HAVE BALCONIES LIKE THAT, THAT ARE SIMPLIFIED, MADE OUTTA TUBULAR MATERIALS AND OTHER THINGS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE UNDERNEATH THAT SLIP COVER THAT'S THERE THAT WILL, CAN JUSTIFY MANY THINGS, BUT IT CAN'T BE REVEALED UNTIL THEY START THAT PROJECT.
AND I THINK, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A NORMAL PROJECT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE END RESULT ON DAY ONE.
BUT IT, IT WILL BE A BIT OF A JOURNEY, IT APPEARS TO ME.
SO I, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
THAT WE ACCEPT STACK'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND IF THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES ONCE THEY START THE PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE IF WE COULD HAVE ONE OF US REVIEW IT WITH THE STAFF, LIKE DOMINIC MAYBE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TOO FAR A FIELD OF WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS SHOWING.
IS THERE A, A SECOND? A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CAN YOU RESTATE THE, THE MOTION AGAIN COMPARED, BECAUSE I'M STILL LOOKING AT THE PICTURE AND YOUR MOTION.
SO WHAT IS, SO THE MOTION SAYS WHAT, WHAT I SAID WAS STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR CONDITIONS ARE THE TRANSOMS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN DESIGN.
THE SECOND CONDITION IS THE BALCONIES AS WIDE AS THE CANOPY SHOWN ON THE SANDBORN.
THE THIRD CONDITION IS REMOVE THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL JOINTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FACADE.
AND THE FOURTH CONDITION IS SIMPLIFY THE STOREFRONT PER HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION.
AND I THINK NUMBER FOUR IS WHERE WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH TO FIND SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOO CREATIVE.
AND THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT EITHER HAS EVIDENCE OR TONE IT DOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE IF, IF THEY GET TO THAT POINT THAT THEY CONSULT WITH ONE OF US ALONG WITH THE STAFF
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AND THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON IT.ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION PASSES.
MR. YAP, I'M HAPPY TO MEET YOU OUT THERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO GO ALL AND, AND KNOW THIS, THIS LOUSY STUFF TAKEN OFF AND THEN SEE WHAT IS DONE UNDERNEATH.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
CHAIR UCH CHE AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS YASMINE AGAIN, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM E TWO AT 33 12 AMP STREET IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY IS A SINGLE FAMILY, 1,311 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON AN INTERIOR LOT.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW BUILT CIRCA 1920.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO BUILD A TWO STORY ADDITION BEHIND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
THE EXISTING LIVING SPACE OF THE PROPERTY IS 1,311 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL INCREASE THIS BY 1,385 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND 1000 400 0 7 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, PROPOSING FOR THE ROOF TO BE POSE SHINGLE WITH A SIX OVER 12, UM, PITCH.
THE, THE TWO STORY ADDITION WILL ALSO INCLUDE AN ATTACHED TWO STORY, UM, GARAGE.
THE EVE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS 10 FEET AND TWO INCHES, WHILE THE HIGHEST PROPOSED EVE HEIGHT FOR THE ADDITION WILL BE 22.
THE HIGHEST RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE AT 29 FEET AND FOUR INCHES.
THE HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS BRICK EXTERIOR.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES REMOVING THE BRICK AND RESTORING THE ORIGINAL LOOK OF THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH STUCCO.
THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION WILL ALSO HAVE A STUCCO EXTERIOR WITH A BRICK SKIRT AT THE CRAWL SPACE.
THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING.
ALL WINDOWS WILL BE INSET AND RECESSED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO REMOVE THE PROPOSED SCREEN PORCH LOCATED AT THE FRONT FROM THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND REMOVE THE BRICK SKIRT DETAIL.
STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT ARE ATTACHED.
AND WE HAVE THE AGENT, UM, HERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, AND THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED IS SAM NUAS, FOLLOWED BY PATRICK MC MCCONNELL.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE, WE, UH, HAVE WORKED REAL HARD ON THIS HOUSE TO TRY TO HAVE EVERYTHING, ONE STORY ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE.
UM, WE HAVE A MASTER SUITE ON THE, ON THE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, AND KEEP THE TWO STORY MASSING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE LOT.
BASICALLY, IT HAS A TWO STORY GARAGE CURRENTLY THAT'S IN REALLY, REALLY BAD SHAPE THAT WE'RE GONNA DEMO.
UM, AND, AND SO WE, WE HAVE A MASTER ON THE FIRST LEVEL.
WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, AND THEN WE WANTED TO DO THE SCREEN PORCH IN ORDER TO BLOCK THIS BASIC VIEW AND, AND TO HAVE THE POOL PROTECTED ALSO.
AND, UH, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE SCREEN PORCH.
WE'RE ABOUT 20 FOOT BACK FROM THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UM, AND ABOUT 40 FOOT BACK FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 3D RENDERING, WE DID, UM, LET ME SEE.
UM, NOT THAT ONE, BUT THE ONE THAT WE DID WHERE WE DROPPED IT IN THE, THE, UM, OH, IT'S, IT'S HERE.
THAT IS, THAT'S A 3D IMAGE OF THE, OF THE SCREEN PORCH.
AND YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH THE SCREEN PORCH.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE LOUVRE PANELS OR SOMETHING TO BLOCK IT, BUT WE, WE BASICALLY DROPPED IT IN FROM ON GOOGLE MAP TO SHOW THAT THE, THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH IS NOT THAT, UH, PROMINENT ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE.
I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN SCREEN PORCHES PASSED A NUMBER OF TIMES, UM, ON THE SIDE ADDITION OF HOUSE.
MATTER OF FACT, IN THE HEARING TODAY, Y'ALL ACTUALLY ON CONSENT AGENDA ARE MOVING A HOUSE
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH Y'ALL DID A GLASS ENCLOSURE THAT WAS ALMOST TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I FELT LIKE THAT THIS WAS VERY, VERY SUBTLE AND YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH IT.
SAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, I, I GUESS MY ONLY, UM, OR MY, MY CHIEF CONCERN WITH
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THE PORCH THERE IS, IS JUST THE ROOF LINE.I MEAN, IT'S REALLY BUSY THERE WITH THE EXISTING ROOF PLUS THE HIP OF THE ADDITION.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FLAT ROOF OVER THAT? YEAH.
I THINK A FLAT ROOF GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEMPORARY FEELING AND, AND, AND THEY'RE HARDER TO MAINTAIN.
BUT, UH, WITH LEAVES AND STUFF, WITH AS MANY TREES AS WE HAVE, THAT'S WHY I DID A REAL SUBTLE, UH, HIP ROOF.
I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD SLIGHTLY COME DOWN ON THE HIP AND, AND DO A METAL ROOF UP THERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE WATER AND THE LEAVES AND ALL THAT STUFF OFF OF THE ROOF LINE.
UH, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE COULD REDUCE THE PITCH OVERALL, AND IT JUST, IT FIGHTS WITH THE, IT'S REALLY BUSY IN MY, IN MY EYES.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP WITH PATRICK MCCONNELL.
UH, WE, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, CHILDCARE THIS EVENING, SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEARING WITH US.
UM, MY NAME IS PATRICK MCCONNELL.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER, MY VERY PREGNANT WIFE, LAURA'S BACK THERE.
UM, WE'RE THRILLED TO, TO, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TRY AND BRING BACK THIS PIECE OF HOUSTON AND, AND PART OF THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS.
UM, WE BOTH HAVE ALWAYS LOVED OLD HOUSES AND, AND, AND PROJECTS.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE LIVE OAKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, UM, WE'RE DRAWN TO WOODLAND HEIGHTS SPECIFICALLY FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO WORK WITH SAM AND, AND HAVE BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO A, A TON TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY.
ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, MICHAEL GRAVES, WHO'S, UM, HEAD OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND, AND HAVE THEIR SUPPORT.
UH, THIS, THIS HOUSE HAS SAT VACANT FOR SOME TIME AND, AND BEEN AN EYESORE.
UM, BUT WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE TRIED TO RESTORE AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AS POSSIBLE.
USED MATERIALS THAT COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BLEND AND HIDE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE ADDITION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEHIND THE OLD HOUSE.
AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS DESIGN ACCOMPLISHES THAT LARGELY WHILE ALSO MEETING THE NEEDS OF OUR, OUR GROWING FAMILY.
UM, THE SCREEN THAT'S CAUSED A CONCERN, UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUSYNESS, UH, ISSUE, BUT WE, WE WORK WITH SAM TO HAVE IT SET BACK MATERIALLY.
WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD HELP PROVIDE SCREENING BOTH PRIVACY FOR THE FAMILY AND ALSO, UM, SCREENING FOR THE, FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, ADD-ON.
AND, UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR US, MY, MY WIFE IS, IS A MOSQUITO MAGNET.
AND, AND THAT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE TERM MAGNET.
UM, SHE LITERALLY CAN'T BE OUTSIDE AND WE CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE SHE GETS EATEN ALIVE IN THIS TOWN.
UM, AND SO SHE IS MOST EXCITED ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF IT.
SO WE'RE PRETTY CRUSHED TO HEAR THAT THAT'S THE, UH, THE, THE, THE DRAWBACK OR, OR POTENTIALLY HAVING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT.
SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE, MR. COUCH.
SO IS THIS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE STAFF? IT'S PROBABLY FOR SAM.
SO I THINK IT'S SAYING HERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE BRICK OFF THE HOUSE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE ORIGINAL BRICK, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE SUBMISSION WE MADE WAS A, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS A STUCCO HOUSE.
AND THE OLD GUY THAT LIVED IN THE HOUSE WAS A BRICK MAN AND HE BRICKED IT UP, WHO KNOWS OVER TIME PROBABLY.
AND SO IT'S GOT DIFFERENT BRICK ON IT.
UH, IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE A BRICK ON IT, SO WE'RE TAKING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STUCCO, UH, THAT IT WAS, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RIP THE BRICK OFF, SEE WHERE MAYBE THEY PATCHED UP WINDOWS OR WHATEVER AND THEN COME BACK AND ST STUCK OVER THE HOUSE.
WHERE IS IT ON THE, NOT ON THE SANDBORNE, BUT ON THIS ONE ON HERE, MAYBE ON, ON SHEET FOUR OF 20, THERE'S THE STUCCO UNDERNEATH.
YOU'LL SEE THE HOUSE, UH, FROM 1965 AND IT SHOWS STUCCO.
AND THE, AND, AND THE WAY THE BRICK IS DONE, IT HAS PRETTY BIG, PRETTY DEEP EAVES, LIKE TWO FOOT EAVES AND, AND THE BRICK JUST KIND OF RUNS UP AND STOPS
SO THERE WASN'T, IT WASN'T FRAMED IN SUCH A WAY TO ACCEPT BRICK OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE IT WAS A STUCCO HOUSE FOR ALL I KNOW UNDERNEATH THIS BRICK, IS THE STUCCO STILL THERE, YOU KNOW? SO IS THERE THIS LITTLE HOOD WINDOW WITH THE LITTLE TINY WINDOW OVER THE DOOR? IS THAT, DOES THAT HAVE STUCCO ON IT? THE ONE WHICH ONE? IT, IT'S A LITTLE TINY DORMER ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER YET? OH, I HAD AB I WASN'T
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DONE.AND THEN FOR THE SCREENED IN PORCH, IS IT COMPLETELY DETACHED? IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW A ROOF ON IT.
AND THEN ON THE PLAN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE HY VENT OR SOMETHING THAT HAS SCREENS.
THERE'S A LITTLE BREEZEWAY OR BRIDGE THAT GOES TO THE, TO THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH.
SO IT IS COMPLETELY DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE.
IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT INTERSECT WITH THE ROOF AT ALL.
SO THE BREEZEWAY DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF OVER IT.
IT, YEAH, THE, THE BREEZEWAY DOES, BUT THE, NO, IT DOES TOUCH THE HOUSE, BUT IT, THE BREEZEWAY TOUCHES THE HOUSE AND IT, IT, IT GO, GOES TO THE HIP OF THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BRIDGE TO IT AGAIN, IT COULD BE TAKEN OFF THE SCREEN PORCH COULD BE TAKEN OFF AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE THAT WAY.
BUT, UM, THE WAY IT IS NOW, I JUST HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BRIDGE TO GO OVER TO THE SCREEN PORCH.
CURRENTLY ON DISPLAY, ON THE SCREENS, I SEE A DOOR FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE THAT APPEARS TO LEAD TO THE SCREEN PORCH.
IS THAT THE PORTION THAT IS CONNECTED IN THE AREA TO THE RIGHT IS NOT, IS OPEN TO AIR.
THAT'S THE SKY'S RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE FRONT OF THE SCREEN PORCH THAT LIKE, LET'S SAY THAT'S TWO THIRDS OF THE, OF THE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES IS A VOID AND OPEN TO SKY ABOVE AND ONLY THE REAR PORTION WHERE THE DOOR IS, IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY ENCLOSED.
THAT'S EXACTLY FREE ESSENTIALLY ACCESS.
SO CAN, I'M SORRY, CAN WE LOOK AT PAGE 13 OF 21? THE NEXT ONE? 'CAUSE THE ROOF PLAN THERE DOESN'T SHOW ANY SEPARATION.
IS THAT, THAT OVERHANG FROM, FROM THE PORCH? I THINK WE SEEN THE OVERHANG OF THE HOUSE.
HOUSE IS WHAT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE RIGHT THERE.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A, IS THAT BECAUSE THE OVERHANGS ARE JUST OH, I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
YOU SEE 13 LOOK UP ON THE SCREEN.
OH, I IT'S THE SECOND STORY WITH THE ROOF PLAN OR THE, THE FIRST STORY ROOF.
THERE IS A LITTLE ROOF CONNECTING POINT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, SCREEN PORCH IS ABOUT, I CAN'T SEE FROM MY DIMENSIONS HERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT FOUR FOOT FROM THE ACTUAL HOUSE.
SO THAT, THAT OVERHANG NEEDS TO BE CUT BACK ON MY DRAWING TO, TO EXPOSE THAT CONNECTION.
I'LL JUST REITERATE MY INTEREST IN MINIMIZING THAT ROOF.
I, I KNOW A FLAT ROOF I'VE LIVED WITH ON FOR A LONG TIME, THEY'RE A PAIN.
BUT, UM, I THINK AESTHETICALLY THAT WOULD MAKE THE SCREEN PORCH MUCH MORE APPEALING.
OR, OR MORE ACCEPTABLE I SHOULD SAY, SINCE IT'S COMING UP ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT WAY THAT SCREEN PORCH IS INDEPENDENT.
IT, IT'S FLOATING THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT CONNECTION AT THE BACK LEFT CORNER OF IT, WHICH I THINK YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT.
YEAH, I KNOW FROM THE FRONT VIEW IT LOOKED LIKE THAT CONNECTION WAS FULL, FULLY CONNECTED.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GAB HAS A QUESTION.
UH, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, THIS IS ONE DRAWING THAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT I LIKE THE MOST.
SO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE OWNERS.
AND YOU, I, I DON'T ONLY CRITICIZE, BUT I GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE
SO I LOVE NOTWITHSTANDING THE, THE PORCH.
THE, I LOVE THE DESIGN OF THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS VERY SENSITIVELY DONE AND VERY THOUGHTFULLY DONE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
THE SKINNIEST PART IS THE ONE JOINING IT TO THE BACK.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE OWNERS AS SAM AS YOU AS WELL.
SO, UH, PLEASE, LET'S SEE MORE OF THIS IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I SUBMIT TO YOU GUYS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND IT'S ONLY TAKEN ME, WHAT, 15 OR 20 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO GET A DRAWING THAT YOU LIKE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE DONE THAT.
I, I, I'M LEARNING, I'M NOT A QUICK LEARNER, BUT I'M LEARNING
I I'LL USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTIONS? SO ARE WE THE, SORRY TO GO BACK TO THE BRICK STUFF.
I CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM 1965 THE STUCCO GOES TO THE GROUND, BUT USUALLY IT DOES ON THE HOUSES.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE WHY YOU WANT THE BRICK LIKE THAT? WE, WE, WE, WE PLAYED WITH DOING IT 'CAUSE UH, INITIALLY I'M NOT USED TO DOING STUCCO HOUSES EITHER.
WE DON'T DO A LOT OF STUCCO AND USED IN, IN THE HEIGHTS.
AND UH, INITIALLY I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE THOSE BRICK FOOTINGS DOWN THERE THAT MAKE UP THE FOUNDATION OF THIS HOUSE, SO I SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE A SKIRT AROUND THERE.
BUT THEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING, I THOUGHT, WELL YOU COULD,
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AS YOU SHOULD DO IN THE, IN THE STUCCO, YOU KNOW, FINISH IT WITH THE STUCCO AND MAYBE DO A DRIP EDGE OR SOMETHING AND, AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UH, A SLOPE TO IT TO KEEP THE WATER AWAY FROM IT.BUT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF ASKED US TO DO TO ELIMINATE THE BRICK SKIRTING.
PATRICK I THINK LIKES IT, BUT, WELL, WE, WE LIKE THE AESTHETICS.
BUT I MEAN, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET DOWN, IF IT MEANS WE JUST GO WITH STUCCO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND HAVE SOME VENTS 'CAUSE WE'RE AT THAT VENT ALONG THERE, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AND WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE STUCCO ON THE ADDITION PART? UH, THE, UH, THE ADDITION IS ALL SIDING.
IT, THE PICTURE I'M LOOKING AT LOOKS LIKE STUCCO, IT'S NOT, NOT ALL SIDING STAMP.
THE MASTER IS STUCCO AND EVERYTHING DOWN ON THE LOWER LEVEL IS STUCCO.
AND THEN WE WENT TO SIDING ON THE UPPER PART.
I'M SORRY, LOTS OF, WOULD YOU BE OKAY TO DO THE WHOLE ADDITION WITH NOT STUCCO AND ONLY KEEP THE STUCCO ON THE HOUSE? THE, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, UH, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.
I, I JUST FELT LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AT GRADE, YOU'RE STANDING IN THE POOL LEVEL, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT STUCCO LINE ALL THE WAY AROUND OPPOSED TO AN INTERRUPTION AT AN INSIDE CORNER AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE SIDING.
YOU KNOW, I JUST FELT LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT'S PRETTIER TO HAVE THE STUCCO ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT, BUT USUALLY WE TRY NOT TO IMITATE THE, THE MATERIAL FROM THE OLD PART OF THE HOUSE ON THE ADDITIONS.
LIKE WE HAVE 'EM WITH THE HARDY SIDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE EXTRAPOLATING THE IDEA.
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING SIGHTING ON THE, AROUND THE MASTER? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, WE TALKED A BUNCH ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND, AND WE SET IT ON THIS.
I THINK THAT COST WAS A CONSIDERABLE OPTION.
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT THE SIGHTINGS CHEAPER THAN STUCCO CHEAPER AND YEAH.
SO I ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION TO BE DO THE WHOLE HOUSE AND STUCCO.
UM, NO, YOU'RE THINKING JUST THAT AREA.
SO THE IDEA, IDEA IS THE HOUSE STAYS STUCCO, LIKE WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED STUCCO TO THE GROUND WITHOUT THE BRICK, AND THEN THE ADDITION IS ALL SIDING AND NOT HAVE STUCCO ON IT.
WE CAN DO THAT, CAN'T WE, PATRICK? YEAH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I I I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS IT IS WITH A SLIGHTLY LOWER ROOF PITCH ON THE, UH, SCREENED IN FLAT PORCH.
UNLESS IT'S CULT TAR, IT'S STILL OKAY.
C CAN WE DO LIKE A ONE IN 12 OR SOMETHING? YEAH, TWO IN 12.
WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL PITCH IT LOW.
AND THEN, UM, STUCCO ON THE HOUSE TO THE GROUND WITHOUT THE SKIRT AND NO STUCCO ON THE ADDITION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ITEM THREE, CHAIR EK AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS ME AGAIN, YASMINE ARSLAN.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA.
AGENDA ITEM E THREE AT 7 0 2 EUCLID STREET LOT TWO.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A VACANT 50 BY 1 51 0.3 INTERIOR LOT.
THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING VACANT LOT LOCATED IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A NEW TWO STORY RESIDENCE ON THE LOT AT 7 0 2 EUCLID STREET.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A NEW PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITH A TWO STORY GARAGE AND APARTMENT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED FRONT SETBACK IS 21 FEET IN ONE AND A HALF INCH.
THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW RESIDENCE IS 4,681 OF CONDITION SPACE.
THE SLOPE FOR THE NEW ROOF WILL BE EIGHT OVER 12 AND HAVE AN EVE HEIGHT OF 22 FEET AND FOUR INCHES.
THE PEAK RIDGE FOR THE NEW RESIDENCE WILL BE 33 FEET AND 11 INCHES.
THE CEILING HEIGHT FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR IS 10 FEET TO BE CONSTRUCTED USING, UH, CEMENTITIOUS SMOOTH SIDING FOR THE EXTERIOR CLADDING MATERIAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE SECOND, SECOND FLOOR'S FRONT WALL BE PUSHED BACK TO ALIGN WITH THE FIRST FIRST FLOOR'S FRONT WALL AND FOR THE ROOF PITCH TO BE SEVEN 12.
STAFF HAVE RECEIVED THREE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION FROM THE PUBLIC AND ARE ATTACHED.
AND WE HAVE THE AGENT, UM, SAM SIGNED
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UP TO SPEAK AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT ON THE PROPOSAL OR ON THE CONDITIONS, THE SECOND FLOOR WHILE PUSHED BACK TO THE THIRD, IS THAT BOTH OF THOSE, YOU WANT ONE SOLID.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING ONE SOLID PLANE? YES.
TO INSTEAD STEP PUSH THAT SECOND FLOOR INSTEAD OF YES.
ALSO FURTHER CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.
SO ASSUMING THAT IT ALL GOES BACK TO ONE PLANE ONLY, YASMINE, THEREFORE THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THAT SECOND FLOOR ROOF IS HIP, RIGHT? CAN YOU SHOW ME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IS GABLE, GABLE AND THEN HIP.
SO IT'S ALL ONE HIP, BASICALLY ON ONE, ONE PLANE.
ARE THEY SEVEN OR TWO? ARE THEY WORKING ON THE OLD HOUSE OR IS THIS THE NEW HOUSE? THIS IS A TOTALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, YOU SCROLL DOWN THROUGH THE THING AND THERE'S A DRAWING OF THE OLD HOUSE ON PAGE 21.
NO, IT SAYS IT'S A VACANT LOT.
IT'S A VACANT LOT NOW IT'S 700 THAT CAME THROUGH HERE IN MAY.
SO THIS IS, BUT IT SAYS EXISTING PROPOSED, SO I THOUGHT THEY WERE WORKING ON IT ALSO.
I'M SORRY, MAY I, MAY I EXPLAIN SOMETHING? UH, TOWARDS THE END I PUT AN EXAMPLE OF THE ADDITION THAT WAS APPROVED FOR 700 EUCLID.
I, I APOLOGIZE IF THAT WAS, UM, CONFUSING.
THIS IS JUST IN CASE SOMEONE ASKS, BUT THIS, THIS IS THE, UM, PROPOSAL.
THERE'S ONLY PROPOSED AS IT'S A VACANT LOT.
AND ASKED ME AS THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS.
CAN WE JUST, CAN YOU, WE JUST LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE UPPER ELEVATION IS THE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE ASKING TO SIMPLIFY.
UM, AND ALSO CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT THE SIDE OF THE FRONT AS WELL? AND SO CAN YOU ALSO EXPLAIN THE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AREA? SO THE, THE, THE, UM, MY, UH, MY QUESTION IS PART OF WHAT THE, ON THE LOWER ELEVATION, WHERE WE SEE THE PORCH, WE SEE THAT THE UPSTAIRS IS HANGING OVER THE PORCH.
SO PART OF THAT IS GONNA COME BACK IN LINE WITH THE, THE MAIN FACADE.
WILL THE FACADE ABOVE THAT REMAIN THERE OR WILL IT COME BACK SLIGHTLY FURTHER TO ALIGN WITH THE FRONT WALL? YES.
ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THAT, THAT IS YOUR, IF THERE TWO THAT IS THE KEY ARE TWO ITEMS. YES.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF CAN DRAW A LINE VERTICALLY FROM THE WALL OF THE FIRST FLOOR UP.
SAMANTHA, CAN YOU DRAW A LINE FROM SHE CAN'T, BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF WE PUT THE CURSOR ON WHERE THE CURRENT FRONT WALL ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS JUST TO EXPLAIN WHERE AND, AND TAKE THAT CURSOR STRAIGHT UPWARD TO THE SKY, THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT'S THE LINE THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
THE SECOND FLOOR BE PUSHED BACK TO DOCUMENT CAMERA.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGN UP FOR THIS ITEM.
SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND THE FIRST SPEAKER SIGN UP IS SAM GNU.
IS THAT CLEAR? UM, CHAIR
SO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
SAM, YOU'RE THE FIRST, UH, SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
AM I, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, THERE ARE OTHERS.
WELL I HAVE, UH, THREE SPEAKERS AND THE FIRST ONE IN ORDER IS ADAM TURNER.
I ACTUALLY LET GLEN TO FIRST, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I'VE GOT LYNN, UH, SIMONELLI AND I'VE GOT ADRIAN RU RUTHIN.
SO IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I HAVE, UH, I DUNNO IF A HANDOUT TO SHOW YOU, BUT PUT IT HERE.
UM, SO IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, NEW CONSTRUCTION IS PRETTY RARE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR OVER 15 YEARS AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO I KNOW WE DON'T WANNA RUSH INTO THINGS, BUT IT WOULD MAKE THINGS EASIER.
UH, SO WHAT WE DO HAVE, IF YOU GO TO THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UH, PAGE AND IT GOES, YOU HAVE THESE FOUR UM, CONDITIONS.
UH, AND IT, AND IT JUST CLEARLY SAYS THAT IT, IF IT'S OVER 30 FEET, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S INCOMPATIBLE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T KEEP WITH THE, UH, SETBACKS OF THE EXISTING BLOCK, IT'S INCOMPATIBLE AND THAT THE SETBACKS ON EVERY HOUSE IS 25 FEET.
SO JUST BY THOSE TWO THINGS, IT MAKES IT INCOMPATIBLE.
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AND, AND ANOTHER BIG ISSUE I THINK IS THE SCALE OF THIS.UM, THEY WANNA BUILD A 4,681 SQUARE FEET.
THE LARGEST HOUSE ON THAT BLOCK IS 3,300 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS IS 1.4 A LITTLE OVER TIMES BIGGER.
AND IF YOU TAKE THAT WHOLE BLOCK FACE TO SIT THE EVEN SIDE OF 700, UM, THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS HOUSE BECOMES 1.87 TIMES BIGGER.
AND NOW IF YOU TAKE BOTH SIDES OF EUCLID IN THE 700 BLOCK, THE AVERAGE HOUSE SIZE GOES DOWN TO BUT 20, WE COULD CALL IT 2200 SQUARE FEET.
SO NOW THAT'S 2.25 TIMES BIGGER THAN EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON THAT BLOCK.
AND, UH, I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED IN SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING HOMES.
UH, AND, AND THOSE ARE THOSE THREE MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER MORE TIME.
SO THOSE THREE POINTS, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY FOUR THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND THE SECOND ONE BEING OF ITS OWN TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS.
UH, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T CRITERIA ONE, THEY DON'T DO CRITERIA THREE ISN'T IS, I BELIEVE, OUTTA SCALE.
AND CRITERIA FOUR WITH HEIGHT.
IT, IT CLEARLY STATES CAN'T BE HIGHER THAN 30.
SO JUST GOING BY WHAT WE HAVE FOR ENFORCEMENT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CAN GO FORWARD AS IS.
I THINK IT NEEDS SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? OKAY, SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ADAM TURNER.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND DOING YOUR JOBS.
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T ENVY ANYONE OVER THERE.
I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY, UM, FACE A PRETTY ANGRY CROWD EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
UM, I'M HERE MOSTLY, JUST TO ECHO WHAT GLEN JUST SAID, UH, WE CIRCULATED A PETITION AROUND THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE OUTLINED A FEW DIFFERENT CRITERIA HERE.
UM, I TOOK THEM BASICALLY RIGHT FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MANUAL FOR WOODLAND HEIGHTS.
UM, THE BIG ONES ARE THE SETBACK, WHICH ISN'T REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD BECAUSE ON THE PLANS THEY HAD ON THE HISTORIC PLAT, UH, TRACKER, IT WAS ONE.
AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT FOR THE, THE DOCUMENTS I'M SEEING HERE IS A DIFFERENT ONE, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK, BUT STILL NOT AT THAT 25 THAT WE WOULD HOPE AS NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT ANY RATE, UH, CIRCULATED PETITION GOT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN THE BLOCK TO SIGN.
THERE'S MORE SIGNATURES ON THE BACK.
WE ALL PUT OUR ADDRESSES SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT WE REALLY ARE JUST STANDING UP AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
UM, UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA GET BUILT THERE, BUT WE REALLY HOPE THAT IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ALL CHOOSE TO LIVE IN AND AND PROTECT.
NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS ADRIAN RUTHIN.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
HI, MY NAME IS ADRIAN RUTH FINN.
I'M HERE WITH MY HUSBAND LES RUTH FINN.
UH, WE LIVE NEXT DOOR AT 7 0 8 EUCLID, UM, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO THE OPEN LOT.
UH, I'VE LIVED IN THE HEIGHTS SINCE 1985.
WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE ON EUCLID IN 1986 AND RACED OUR FAMILY THERE.
THE REASON I CAME TO THE HEIGHTS IN 85 WAS I LOVE THE HEIGHTS.
I MEAN, BACK THEN IT WAS CONSIDERED NOT A PLACE TO LIVE.
PEOPLE AT WORK TOLD ME VARIOUS THINGS.
THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT ME LIVING THERE.
UM, BUT I'VE SEEN IT, YOU KNOW, TURN INTO THE BEAUTIFUL THING IT IS.
AND I'M GLAD WE HAD THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UM, DONE.
UH, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE, THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTIES THERE AND KEEPING THE, THE PLACE LOOKING LIKE THE HEIGHTS.
UM, SO I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE STATEMENTS HERE.
THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, THE SCALE ISSUES, UM, AND INCLUDING THE HEIGHT AND, BUT ALSO THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IF WE LOOK AT THE, UM, PLA THERE, THE O THE, THE OFFSET, THE SET, THE UH, OFFSETS OF THE LOT OF THE HOUSES ON THESE LOTS IS A LOT BIGGER.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
THIS YOU, YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT WHAT THE HISTORY HERE, THE UM, THE HOUSE AT 700 EUCLID WAS LO OWNED BY SAM AND JOYCE ASHMORE SINCE 1990 OR SO.
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UM, SHE, THEY BOTH PASSED AWAY.SHE PASSED AWAY ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.
AND THEIR IN INTENTION WAS ALWAYS TO KEEP 700 AND THERE WAS NO 7 0 2 REALLY.
IT WAS CONSIDERED LOTS ONE AND TWO AND THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT BUYING PART OF IT THROUGH THE YEARS, BUT, AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT THEY NEVER DID.
JUST SO THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE SPACE.
WHEN WE FIRST MOVED INTO OUR HOUSE, WE HAD MOTION.
GONNA HAVE THE SPEAKER ONE MORE TIME.
TWO MINUTES IS YOUR SECOND, SECOND FAVOR.
WHEN WE FIRST MOVED INTO OUR HOUSE, THE, UM, THANK YOU.
UH, THE, UM, OUR HOUSE OWNED, WE FOUND OUT THAT ORIGINALLY OUR OWN HOUSE OWNED HALF OF THAT LOT AND THE OTHER HALF OF THE LOT WAS OWNED BY 700.
IT WAS OWNED, OUR HOUSE WAS OWNED BY A REALTOR AROUND 1910 TO 15 OR SO.
AND HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND TOOK THE OTHER HALF OF THE LOT, THE OTHER HALF LOT WITH HIM.
SO THE INTENTION WAS FOR THESE LOTS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE SPACE WITH MORE SPACE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THEM.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS BIG SCALE THAT IT IS, IT'S TAKING UP ALL THE LOT EXCEPT FOR THREE FEET ON EACH SIDE.
AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT EXISTS IS THERE WAS THE HOUSE THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THAT HOUSE ON 700, IT HAD PLENTY OF SPACE TO THE WEST.
NOW IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF, IT'S VIOLATING THE OFFSET FROM THE LOT LINE ON THE WEST SIDE.
IF WE, IF YOU KNOW, ALL THIS CONTINUES AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OWNERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE THAT BUY 'EM NEXT.
BUT THE POINT IS THE THING JUST GETS MORE CROWDED LOOKING.
'CAUSE THEIR AC UNITS AT 700 ARE SITTING ON THE LOT LINE.
THE ROOF OVERHANG IS OVERHANGING THE LOT LINE AND THE, THAT WALL ON THE WEST SIDE ISN'T EVEN, UH, IS NOT THREE FEET FROM THE LOT LINE.
SO, UM, AND THEY JUST FILED AN, UH, A COA TO EXTEND THE SIZE AND WE DIDN'T PROTEST IT BECAUSE THERE WAS, IT WAS STILL TWO LOTS, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S INDEPENDENT.
UM, UH, IT IS JUST, I WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN.
WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE DON'T WANNA SET PRECEDENTS THAT PUT THAT THE KIND OF HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN OTHER PARTS JUST DOWN IN THE NEXT BLOCK THAT ISN'T PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, THESE BIG HOUSES THAT TAKE UP, UP TO THREE FEET TO THE LOTS EDGE AND, AND BACK, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING.
AND, AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UH, WHICH IS SAM NUAS.
WHEN I SUBMIT TO HISTORICAL FOR ANY OF THE PROJECTS I DO, THERE'S A PROCESS WHEN I SUBMIT THE FIRST, THE, I, I WAIT A FEW DAYS AND THEN I EMAIL THE STAFF AND I SAY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN IN-PERSON MEETING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND I DO IT WITH EVERYONE AND I DON'T, I DON'T DO IT ON ZOOM, I DO IT IN PERSON.
I MET ON JULY 28TH WITH YASMIN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WE WENT PAGE BY PAGE AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD CHANGE AND WHAT WE SHOULD ADJUST TO MAKE IT OKAY TO MAKE IT, GET IT PAST THE COMMISSION.
THE, UM, THE FIRST SUBMITTAL THAT WE MADE HAD DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS AND HAD DIFFERENT HEIGHTS ON IT BECAUSE IT WAS OUR FIRST SUBMISSION AND THAT WAS THE PARTICULAR SUBMISSION THAT YASMINE TOOK TIME TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT.
WHEN I MET HER ON, ON JULY 28TH, SHE SAID, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS, DROP THE RIDGE HEIGHT BY A FOOT, WHICH I DID, UM, UM, MOVE THE HOUSE BACK TO A LINE WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, WHICH I DID.
UM, ALL THOSE WERE REALLY THE ONLY THINGS THAT WERE BUGGING HER AT THAT, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
I THINK SINCE THEN, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, GOT THE FIRST DRAFT THAT I PUT IN THAT SHOWED A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
AND, AND, AND IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE.
IT, WE ARE GONNA BE IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AT 700 TO BE IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE THAT THE LADY JUST SPOKE HER HOUSE.
HER HOUSE, BY THE WAY, IS 34 FOOT WIDE.
I MEASURED IT THIS MORNING AND OURS IS 29 FOOT, SIX INCH, FOUR INCHES WIDE.
SO WE'RE FIVE FEET NARROWER THAN HER HOUSE.
SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT MASSING, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE PICTURE OF THAT, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT MASSING, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE.
THAT, THAT, THAT HOUSE IS 34 FOOT WIDE.
I MEASURED IT MYSELF THIS MORNING.
IF YOU LOOK AT A DRAWING THAT SHOWS SEVEN, THIS IS OUR HOUSE RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
THIS IS THE HOUSE ON THE LAST MR. GRANT, THE SPEAKER.
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THERE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR AND AYE AYE.SO WE FIT, WE WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE GOOD AS FAR AS SCALE, WE'RE GOOD AS FAR AS SETBACKS, WE'RE GOOD AS FAR AS, UH, THE HEIGHT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY THE HOUSE AT 7 0 700 EUCLID, I GOT PASSED TWO MONTHS AGO.
IT'S A FOOT AND A HALF TALLER THAN THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT I'M PROPOSING NOW.
AND THAT WAS PASSED BY YOU GUYS.
OH, WHERE IS THIS THING? I HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE THAT, UM, I WANT TO SHOW YOU.
SO THIS WAS THE 3D RENDERING THAT I PUT TOGETHER SHOWING THE SCALE OF THIS HOUSE AS IT RELATES TO THIS.
THAT, UH, THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS 7 0 2, IS TALLER THAN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WE'RE PROPOSING THE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT IS TALLER THAN THE, THAN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND SO TO SAY THAT OUR HOUSE IS OUT OF SCALE IS JUST WRONG.
WE ARE 4,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A 529 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE IN THE BACK.
WE'RE NOT OUTTA SCALE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY ANY MEANS.
MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED IN, LET ME FIND IT HERE.
THERE'S A HOUSE THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED ON.
UM, GOD I BELIEVE HERE IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS HOUSE IS ON A 50 BY 100 LOT.
MY LOT'S 50 BY ONE 50, MUCH LARGER YACHT LOT.
THIS HOUSE HAS A, AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
THIS HOUSE, YOU CAN LOOK UP THE C OF A IT, THIS HOUSE IS AS TALL AS MY HOUSE.
IT WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AGENDA.
IT'S ON A 50 BY A HUNDRED LOT.
SO I'M A HUGE LOT WITH A DETACHED GARAGE.
I'M NOT ATTACHING MY GARAGE, WHICH IS ALWAYS A BIG DEAL.
THANK YOU SAM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS? YES, I HAVE QUESTION FOR SAM.
SO BASED ON YOUR LATEST, UH, RENDITION HERE, THAT'S COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
YOUR SETBACK IS WHAT? 21 FEET RIGHT NOW? UM, THE, THE SET, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S OUT THERE AS WELL.
MY CURRENT SETBACK AND I MEASURED THE HOUSES MYSELF THIS MORNING IS 26 FOOT FOUR INCHES FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
THAT IS TO THE FACE OF THE HOUSE OR TO THE PORCH? THAT'S TO THE PORCH.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS 7 0 8 AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE HOUSE AT 700 EUCLID IS.
THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, IS THAT BASED ON YOUR NORTH FACE? PARDON SIR? ON THE NORTH, NORTHERN, UH, PHASE OF THE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE STAGGERED, UH, ROOF LINES THAT ARE APPROACHING THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND WHY IS, WHY IS THAT? I HAVE ROOF LINE THAT'S APPROACHING THE PROP.
OH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE? YEAH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE IS A STAGGERED THREE ROOF LINES.
AND YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.
SO WHY IS THAT? WE'RE THREE FEET AWAY FROM THAT AT THAT POINT.
AND THE REASON IS, IS WE HAVE A KITCHEN IN THAT AREA THAT BUMPS OUT IN ORDER TO GIVE US THAT IT'S GOT IT.
SO THE CLOSEST ONE IS LESS THAN THREE FEET.
THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THREE FEET IS THREE FEET.
I CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THESE NEIGHBORS TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS, ARE YOU OPEN TO, UH, PUTTING THE THREE STAGGERED LINES ON THE FRONT OF THE SECOND FLOOR BACK TO THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR? I, I THINK AT THAT POINT WE END UP AT THAT POINT.
UM, IT REALLY HURTS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK I COULD GIVE UP ONE OF THEM OFFSETS, BUT I THINK ONE OFFSET, JUST LIKE YOU SEE ON WHAT IS THAT ONE MAKE SHOWED YOU? THE OTHER ONE I GAVE HAD A MINUTE AGO.
THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AGENDA.
THIS ONE, JUST LIKE THAT HOUSE.
IF YOU JUST DID THAT HOUSE WITH A FLAT FRONT, CAN WE GO THIS DOCUMENT CAMERA? IF YOU DID THIS HOUSE WITH JUST A FLAT FRONT, ABSOLUTELY YOU COULD DO IT.
BUT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SELLS $2 MILLION HOUSES NOW? NO.
IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DESIGN TO IT AND, AND I THINK I COULD ELIMINATE THE ONE LITTLE GABLE AND MAYBE JUST HAVE A SINGLE GABLE WITH THE HIP BEHIND IT.
UH, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT WE MEET ALL CITY CODES.
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WE MEET EVERY RESTRICTION.I HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF THINGS LIKE THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE THAT WERE APPROVED RECENTLY.
AND I, I JUST REALLY FELT LIKE THIS WOULD GO ON CONSENT AND AGENDA.
LIKE, LIKE, LIKE THE ONE THAT ON BOHAM DID.
AND, AND I'M, I REALLY AM SORRY THAT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SINCE 80, 88.
THEY COULD PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME.
I'LL GO OVER THERE AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GO THROUGH THE DRAWING WITH THEM.
UH, I, I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HAPPY WITH THE DRAWING.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST COMING IN AND DRAWING WHATEVER WE WANNA DRAW.
I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 76.
SAM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS MAIN OKAY.
UM, FOR THE, I JUST ASK A QUESTION CLARIFICATION.
YOU JUST SAID THE SETBACK IS 26 FOOT FOUR.
SO WHAT'S THE 21? THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THAT'S A MISSED PRINT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHAT YOU LOOKED AT ON ONLINE WAS NOT, HAD NOT GOT CAUGHT UP WITH WHAT YASMIN AND I HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED.
IT'S ON THE SITE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YASMEEN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TRY TO ADD CLARITY TO THE DIMENSION AND I THINK CAN TO, TO DOCUMENT CAM I MEAN PRESENTATION? YES.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN SAMANTHA AND SCROLL DOWN PLEASE? THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.
21 FEET AND 11 AND, AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT.
SEE, BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S THE NU THAT'S WHERE I GOT THAT NUMBER FOR THE RIGHT FRONT SETBACK.
THAT IS THE FRONT SETBACK ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO YAME, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER DRAWING THAT SAYS OTHERWISE IN THE PACKET OR THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED? YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE SITE PLAN AS WELL, I'M SAYING THE SITE, THAT SITE PLAN WAS THE FIR THE SECOND SITE PLAN I SENT YOU, THE FIRST ONE HAD 15 FOOT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU CALLED ME AGAIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING NO, THAT'S THE MOST UPDATED ONE THAT WAS SENT ME.
BUT, BUT SINCE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE.
BUT, BUT SINCE WE'VE ADJUSTED THAT TO, I, I TOLD YASMINE IN THE MEETING ON IN JULY, I WOULD ALIGN WITH THE HOUSES ON THE STREET AND THAT'S WHAT I INTEND TO DO.
SO, SO IS IT 26 FEET BACK NOW? 6 26 FOOT FOUR IS, YEAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DRAWING THAT ILLUSTRATE THAT AND WE'RE APPROVING THE DRAWING.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE ALIGN WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK OR 26.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE HORSES' MOUNT FOR THAT KIND OF THING.
WELL, SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGES.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S A LARGER HOUSE THAN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR AT LEAST ON THE BLOCK PHASE.
COULD, CAN YOU VERIFY THAT YASMINE, LIKE HOW MUCH BIGGER IT IS THAN OTHER HOUSES? I HAVE NOT DONE THAT CALCULATION HONESTLY.
IF YOU CAN GO TO, UM, THIS, THE SECOND PAGE PLEASE.
WAIT, WAIT, SAM, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A GOOGLE MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS A PRO.
SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT I TRIED TO DO TO PUT IN, UM, THE, THE, THE MASS IN BETWEEN.
I, I JUST DID THAT TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA.
AND UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE FRONT SETBACK, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE HE HAS A DIFFERENT FRONT SETBACK FOR THE FIRST FLOOR THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FRONT BACK FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND SO PUSHING THAT SECOND FLOOR WILL HELP WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, IT WILL MAKE THE FRONT SETBACK, UM, MORE.
UM, ALSO, UM, MAKING THE PITCH SEVEN OVER 12, THAT WILL ALSO HELP BRING, UM, THAT HEIGHT A BIT DOWN AND KIND OF, UM, WHAT WOULD, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T OF COURSE FIX UM, EVERY PROBLEM THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS HAS, UM, MENTIONED.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT STAFF BELIEVED.
YOU ASK ME, WHAT, WHAT HEIGHT WOULD THAT BRING THE RIDGE DOWN TO DO IN YOUR ESTIMATION? UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS, I'M SORRY, TRYING TO, SO HIS RIDGE HEIGHT, THE HIGHEST IS 33 FEET AND 11 INCHES.
UM, BUT HE HAS AN EIGHT OVER 12, UM, PITCH, SO IT'S GONNA BE LOWER THAN THAT.
SO WE ASKED HIM TO MAKE IT SEVEN OVER 12, WHICH WILL BRING THE RIDGE HEIGHT DOWN.
BUT I, BUT I DIDN'T PUT A NUMBER ON LIKE STAFF DID NOT PUT A NUMBER ON THE RIDGE HEIGHT.
COMMISSIONER K HAVE THE QUESTION IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
'CAUSE IF IT'S FIVE FEET FURTHER BACK THAN WHAT THIS SHOWS, RIGHT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU SHRUNK, YOU, YOU TOOK FIVE FEET
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OFF THE WHOLE HOUSE AND MADE IT SMALLER? OR YOU JUST PUSHED IT BACK? WE HAVE 150 FOOT DEEP LOT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THAT.SO WE'RE ABLE TO JUST PUSH THE HOUSE BACK TO ALIGN IT.
AND THE RIDGE HEIGHT ON THE HOUSE THAT Y'ALL HAD JUST APPROVED, THE ADDITION AT 700 IS 34 FOOT SIX UHHUH
AND SO IT'S HIGHER THAN MY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN THERE, THERE ARE JUST ABOUT EVERY REMODEL THAT YOU'VE APPROVED IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS OR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS AT LEAST 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA, UH, START DOING SMALLER HOUSES IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS, WHICH IS NORMALLY BIGGER HOUSES.
THIS, THAT, THAT'S THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THIS WAS A PRETTY MODEST HOUSE, 4,021 SQUARE FEET.
SO DID DID YOU DO ANY KIND OF ANALYSIS ABOUT THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE, LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE TO COMPARE HOW MUCH? NO, BECAUSE I, I I BLEND IN WELL WITH THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THAT BLOCK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 3D RENDERING THAT WE DID, I MEAN WE, WE FIT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES.
BUT, BUT THE PERSON THAT'S SPOKE BEFORE YOU MADE IT SEEM LIKE THIS WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CASE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN IT'S, IT, IT, IT BLENDS VERY WELL WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE TWO HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
OUR HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THE HOUSE IS 3000 SQUARE.
I HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN OF EVERY HOUSE ON BLOCK AND, AND I DO AS WELL.
AND, AND, UH, THE SO WHO DID YOU DO THE ANNOUNCEMENT OR NOT? WELL, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE ON THE REST OF THE BLOCK IS.
THERE'S SOME BIG HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK AND UH, I HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EVERY PERSON THAT WROTE A NEGATIVE LETTER AGAINST MY PROJECT LAST NIGHT AT 12 O'CLOCK WHENEVER THEY POSTED THEM
AND SO IT, UH, IT'S ONE GUY WILLIAMS. IS HE HERE? WILLIAMS? NO, UH, HE'S NINE.
I MEAN, SO IS SQUARE FOOTAGE, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT'S COMMON IN NEW WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR AN ADDITION.
COMMISSIONER COSCO, YOU A QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR SAM.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE SCALE AND I SEE YOU HAVE A 10 FOOT PLATE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO REDUCE THAT TO BRING IT DOWN SO THAT I, UNDER IT'S INFILL CONSTRUCTION AND I KNOW IT ALIGNS WITH THE HISTORIC HOUSES, BUT IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO ALLOW THE HISTORIC HOUSES TO SHINE A LITTLE MORE THAN THE INFILL CONSTRUCTION AND MAYBE JUST SCALING THE HEIGHT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT NO, GO AHEAD.
THAT WAS, WE WENT FROM, WE WENT FROM A NINE AND 12 PITCH ROOF TO AN EIGHT AND 12 PITCH ROOF IN ORDER TO GET IT DOWN A FOOT, FOOT AND A HALF.
THAT'S WHAT WAS MY FIRST MOVE WAS.
THE SECOND MOVE IS THEY WANT ME TO GO DOWN TO A SEVEN AND 12 PITCH ROOF.
WHAT? WHICH I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT.
SO NOW I'VE DROPPED IT TWO FOOT SIX INCHES.
PRETTY SOON THE HOUSE STARTS LOOKING SQUATTY AND NOT TO SCALE AND NOT, NOT NOT PRETTY.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE COULD PROBABLY GO 10 AND NINE AND AND AND GET THE DOWN ANOTHER FOOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I COULD DO EYE JOIST BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND AND GO ANOTHER SIX INCHES, BUT AT SOME POINT I'M LOWER THAN THE HOUSE Y'ALL APPROVED JUST TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO AT SOME POINT, WHAT AM I DOING JUST DRIVING THIS THING IN THE GROUND? THIS IS A HOUSE THAT'S GONNA BE RESOLD AND IT'S GONNA BE RESOLD FOR PROBABLY $2.2 MILLION.
SO AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING UGLIER THAT DOES NOT WORK, UH, FOR, FOR THE NEW BUYERS EITHER.
AND, AND, AND I, I THINK AN 11 FOOT DOWN AND NINE FOOT UP IS THE RIGHT SCALE FOR A HOUSE THAT'S THAT IN THAT PRICE POINT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DRAWING TO ON THIS.
MOST OF THE TIME I'M WORKING WITH A CLIENT, AN END USER, THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SOLD.
SO I'M, I'M AFRAID TO GET IT TO WHERE IT'S BEING REJECTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO.
SO YEAH, SAM, SO THE, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THAT IF YOU BRING THE ROOF PITCH DOWN TO SEVEN 12, LET'S SAY YES.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE, THE ENTIRE HOUSE? I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NOT, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NINE FOOT FIRST.
JUST SAY YOU KEEP WHATEVER SECOND FLOOR IS WHEN YOU BRING IT TO SEVEN 12, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 31 9 AND 31 AND 32 6 MAYBE.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO DRAW IT AND SEE LOWER THAN 32.
LOWER THAN 32, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT STILL, STILL ABOVE 30.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING I'M, I'M PICKING SIDES NOW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE FACTS ARE ALL WITHIN ME BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY SPOKEN 26 FEET.
I'M HOLDING HIM TO THE FIRE ON THAT ONE.
NO, I, I, I, I WAS GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY.
NOBODY HAD TO HOLD MY FEET TO THE, I I HAVE TO ALIGN WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK.
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IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.AND MY, I WAS WRONG IN THE 15 FOOT THAT WE INITIALLY PUT, BUT TYPICALLY IN THE HEIGHTS AREA, WE DO 15 EVERY HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THESE PARTICULAR HOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT STREET, OUR 15 FOOT SETBACK.
AND ON THIS SIDE FOR SOME ODD REASON, THEY'RE 24 FOOT SIX.
AND YOU COULD STAND THERE AT THE CORNER AND LOOK DOWN THE AISLE AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT PORCH IS ALL THE WAY DOWN WHERE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET, THE LOTS ARE NOT AS DEEP AND THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE STREET.
AND SO NO, WE HAVE TO BLEND WITH THE, OUR FRONT HAVE TO BE LINED.
I UNDERSTAND, SAM, BECAUSE I USED TO LIVE IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS TOO.
SO YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY ON THE FRONT.
MY HOUSE WAS 25 FOOT SETBACK, BY THE WAY.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE A POINT IS THAT BASED ON THE, UH, PICTURE THAT, UH, THAT YASMINE SHOWED WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE AERIAL PICTURE MM-HMM
THAT IN SOME WAYS YOUR HOUSE IS SLIMMER AND LONGER.
BUT IF YOU ADD IN ALL THE ROOF LINES OF THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND IT, YOUR BUT YOUR CARPORT, THE GARAGE IS VERY SMALL AND THEY HAVE RELATIVELY LARGER CAR GARAGES THAN YOU.
TO ME, I SEE MASSING AS NOT JUST THAT ORIGINAL HOUSE I SEE IS ALL THE ROOF LINES THAT IF I COMBINE THEM TOGETHER.
SO IN THIS CASE, UH, I FEEL QUITE COMFORTABLE.
THEIR HOUSES ARE MOST PROBABLY WIDER, BUT SHORTER IN THAT SENSE.
SO, UH, AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, I DON'T SEE THE REASON, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S 150 FEET DEEP, UH, TO BE JUST LIMITED TO A 40 FOOT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, OR A 70 FOOT HOUSE.
THAT WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIABLE TO ME MASSING WISE.
BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR DRAWING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISTRICT, SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION? MM-HMM
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS THEIR CONDITION.
THEIR, YEAH, THEIR RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES ADJUSTING THE SECOND FLOOR ELEVATION AND CHANGING THE ROOF PITCH TO SEVEN AND 12, BOTH TABLES ON THE FRONT.
I MEAN, THAT PICTURE HE SHOWED US OF THE OTHER HOUSE, THE, THE, THE BAY STUCK OUT FROM THE FIRST TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
IF HE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING SOMETHING THAT STICKS OUT AND SITS ON TOP OF THE PORCH, I'D PROBABLY BE OKAY WITH IT.
BUT I, I DON'T LIKE THE THING JUST FLOATING OVER THE PORCH.
IT, IT LOOKS JUMBLY, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE 26 FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE PICTURE BEING 21 FEET.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SETBACK IN THERE.
MOTION TO SIT ON THE DRAWINGS.
SO, SO THE, THE THIRD CONDITION IS IT HAS A 26 FOOT SETBACK.
I'M SORRY, CAN I, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? THE CONDITION THAT IT HAS A 20, UM, I'M SORRY, JUST, JUST THE FRONT SETBACK PART 26 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS WHAT HE SAYS IT HAS, BUT, BUT WE WANNA CONFIRM THAT.
ALONG WITH THE PITCH AND THE PUSHING THE SECOND FLOOR.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? NO, UH, ESVA OPPOSES.
ANY ABSTENTIONS? MR. YOU HAVE YOU HAD A COMMENT? WELL, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR, UH, THE DESIGNER IF HE DESIGNED THE HOUSE.
LIKE WHAT? UH, UH, COMMISSIONER COUCH SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A FRONT THAT STOOD OUT LIKE AN L AND NOT JUST A FLAT FRONT, I THINK WE'LL BE OPEN, MORE OPEN TO THAT THAN THE SECOND FLOOR HAVING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING.
SO IF YOU CAN REDESIGN THAT, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO RESUBMIT A DESIGN LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'LL WORK.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSONS TERRENCE JACKSON.
I SUBMIT ITEM E EIGHT AT 3 0 9 BAYLIN STREET IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING 1,602 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW, AND A NON-CONTRIBUTING 528 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE APARTMENT ON A CORNER LOT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO CONNECT THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE TWO STORY GARAGE.
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THE HOUSE BEEN, HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS, AND THE NON-ORIGINAL FEATURES AND MATERIALS WILL BE REPLACED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AREA.PROJECT DETAILS INCLUDE REPLACING THE EXISTING VINYL FLUSH MOUNTED MULTI LIGHT WINDOWS ON THE MAIN HOUSE WITH NEW WOOD INSET AND RECESS.
SIMPLIFIED LIFE PATTERNS IN THE OPENINGS.
THE EXISTING GARAGE WILL BE EXPANDED TO CONNECT TO THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
ALL ORIGINAL CORNERS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING WILL BE MAINTAINED USING INSETS ON THE NEW ADDITION.
NEW SIDING ON THE ADDITION IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING WITH THE SAME REVEAL AND PROFILE OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
SIDING ON THE MAIN HOUSE IS TO REMAIN STUCCO.
COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE, TO BROUGHT BACK TO THE EXPOSED BRICK, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO.
THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF ON THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT SINCE JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
IT HAS UNDERGONE FOUR DESIGN REVIEWS TO COME UP WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
ALL MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN BASED ON THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AREA, HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION OF THE BUILDING AND CONTINUED CONTEMPORARY USE OF THE RESIDENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE HOMEOWNER IS AVAILABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I AM ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM.
I NEED, MAY, MAY HELP WITH YOUR LAST NAME, NETTE, BUT IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE OF THE RECORD.
AND I, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M, I'M THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS.
SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS ON THE ADDITION, UM, YOU HAVE THAT PRAIRIE STYLE WINDOW.
UM, I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE ONE OVER ONE.
UH, AND IF YOU WANNA DO THAT ON THE HOUSE, IF YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF EVIDENCE THAT IT WOULD'VE HAD A WINDOW LIKE THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
BUT ON THE ADDITION, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A SIMPLER WINDOW.
AND ALSO THE, UM, UH, SHINGLES AND THE GABLE SHOULD, SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE MORE SIMPLIFIED.
JUST AS MR. COUCH ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER COUCH'S OPINION ON KEEPING THE SKIRT ON THE ADDITION AS WELL.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE IT, BUT
IF WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE SKIRTING ON THE ADDITION, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, I THINK IN GENERAL THE ADDITION SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE LIKE A BACKGROUND TO THE HOUSE AND NOT TRY TO MIMIC IT.
SINCE IT'S NOT PART, THE HOUSE WOULD NEVER HAVE LOOKED LIKE THAT ORIGINALLY.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MASSING OR ANYTHING.
SO SURE, IT'S FINE TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE SIMPLIFIED.
I DO HAVE, UH, CAUTION AS WELL.
I APPROACH YES, PLEASE DOCUMENT CAMERA.
I, I DO WANT TO RECONCILE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MY REVIEW ONLINE WITH THIS BEING AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS VERSUS AN APPROVAL RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPDATED AND INCORPORATED.
SO I, IF, IF COMMISSIONER COUCH DID NOT PULL IT, I WOULD'VE PULLED IT BECAUSE ON THAT, ON, WELL, YOU HAVE MY ONLY COPY, BUT YOU, YOU CAN READ THAT THERE WERE LIKE 25% OF IT, UH, HAD TO BE BACK OF THE, WHEN DID YOU PRINT THIS? YES, THIS, YEAH.
WHEN DID YOU PRINT THIS PIECE OF PAPER? ONE O'CLOCK TODAY.
UM, SO WE'VE AS STATED IN, IN, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SCRIPT HERE, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT SINCE JUNE AND OUR LAST MEETING WAS MONDAY, CORRECT? YES.
SO THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE SOME PROJECTS ARE A MOVING TARGET, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY, WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND THE AGENT UP UNTIL THE 25TH HOUR.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, EVERYTHING ON IN THOSE CONDITIONS THEY MET.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GONE FROM AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO AN APPROVAL.
UM, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW.
I'M NOT HERE TO, TO CRITIQUE, I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
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APPLIED.SO CAN I MAKE MY MOTION? MM-HMM
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE WINDOWS BE SIMPLIFIED TO ONE OVER ONE ON THE ADDITION, THE, UM, SHINGLES BE TAKEN OUT OF THE GABLE AND THE SKIRT BE SIMPLIFIED.
AND I HAVE A SECOND FROM STAAVA.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE QUESTION, THE SKIRT BEING SIMPLIFIED MEANS THAT IT'S NOT A FLARED SKIRT.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DEION.
I SUBMIT ITEM E NINE AT 2 0 1 WEST 15TH STREET AT THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE HISTORIC TWO STORY, RESIDENCE AND GARAGE APARTMENT CMU WAS BUILT CIRCA 1902, SITUATED ON A 13,200 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT.
ON JULY 23RD, 2025, THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR SIGNAGE FOR THE NEW BUSINESS AT THE CMU, WHICH IS, IF YOU CAN KEEP GOING, THIS BUILDING RIGHT OVER HERE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ABOUT A 30 FOOT, UH, SQUARE FOOT SIGN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE SIGN BE ILLUMINATED INDIRECTLY.
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE AGENT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, WHICH IS JOHN SHEPHERD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN SHEPHERD WITH FLIGHT SIGNS.
UH, THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE SIGNAGE BE NOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, WAS KIND OF LEAVING THE CLIENT WITH A BAD TASTE.
SHE WANTED SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A PICTURE HERE OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO IF YOU SEE THE P ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT UPPER SCREEN, THE, THE WHITE PART OF THE P THAT'S IN THE FOREGROUND IS WHAT WE CALL A FO NEON SIGN.
IT'S INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, BUT IT LOOKS SIMILAR TO NEON.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT GAVE OUR CLIENT A, A MORE CREATIVE AND CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE THAN, THAN DOING THIS WHOLE SIGN IN NEON.
AND TRUTHFULLY, THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THAT P IS WHAT WE CALL HALO LIT, REVERSE LIT, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN YOUR SIGNAGE.
BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THOSE LEDS ARE INSIDE THE SAME LETTERS.
SO TECHNICALLY THEY'RE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
SO, UH, IF WE WENT WITH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A STANDARD NEON SIGN, AND THAT'S GONNA BE SO MUCH BRIGHTER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE CLIENT.
UH, TRUTHFULLY, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE SIGN WE'VE PROPOSED WHILE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED IS A MUCH SOFTER THING THAN DECLARING NEON.
AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE SIGN CODE SAYS CREATIVE SIGNS THAT REPRESENT THE BUSINESS BEING ADVERTISED ARE
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ENCOURAGED.SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS, IN OUR OPINION, A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE THAN A GOOSENECK LIGHT.
JUST MOTION AGAINST THE SPEAKER.
SO, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
WE, THE, THAT HANGING LIGHTS JUST WON'T GIVE A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CLIENT AS FAR AS THE TWO SIGNS WE HAVE PROPOSED, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? NO.
I'LL JUST ASK, WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, IS THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER TO SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING YOU WANT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE SIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED APPEARS TO LOOK LIKE, UH, NEON.
I CAN'T QUITE ASCERTAIN EXACTLY HOW WELL THAT SCALE, YOU KNOW, IS MADE.
BUT MR. MCNEIL, DOES ANYONE HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF SECTION 4.77 OF THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINE DOCUMENT CAMERA? HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.
SO ON, ON THIS SIGN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THE WHITE PART, LIKE THE, THE, THE B AND THE WORDS, THOSE WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE LIT UP? YES.
UH, CAN I ASK THE GENTLEMAN, MR. SHEPHERD, IS THAT ACCURATE? YES.
WOULD YOU, CAN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU? PLEASE, SIR? UH, I, I'M LOOKING AT 4.77 AND I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED EXTERNALLY LIT SIGN BECAUSE OF 4.77.
IS, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOUR SIGN CONFORMS TO THESE GUIDELINES GIVEN THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE IT DESIGNED? UH, I MEAN, IT IS INTERNALLY ELIMINATED, BUT LIKE I SAID, YOUR REVERSE LIT STUFF THAT IS ALLOWED THE TOPIC RIGHT ABOVE IT, REVERSE CHANNEL BACK LIT, THOSE ARE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE AS WELL.
SO THE, THE CONSIDERED REVERSE CHANNEL BACK, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A REVERSE CHANNEL JUST BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A CABINET.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ILLUMINATED IS THE, THE QUEEN BEE AND THE, THE LETTERING.
I IS YOUR, IS YOUR SIGN CABINET LETTERS? NO, SIR.
I GUESS BY TRYING TO CLARIFY YEAH, THE QUESTION WHERE THE IMAGE THAT YOU PRESENTED THOUGH HAD A BACKLIT OR OF LIGHT.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THE BACKLIT PART.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE CLIENT, IT'D BE THE, THE P ITSELF AND THEN THE WHITE, THE WHITE ILLUMINATED PART OF THE P THAT'S ON IN FRONT OF THE LETTER IS WHAT THE QUEEN WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ILLUMINATED.
AND THE VERBIAGE, MR. SHEPHERD, I THINK THE QUESTION FROM MEMBERS IS, IS THAT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OF WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN CURRENTLY OF BOTH THE P ILLUMINATED TO LOOK LIKE NEON AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ACTUALLY NEON, AND OF COURSE THERE'S, THERE IS NEON TODAY AND THERE'S ALSO NEON THAT'S NOT NEON, BUT, BUT BASICALLY ALLOWING IT TO BE BACKLIT WITH THAT HALO EFFECT, LIKE A, LIKE A TRADITIONAL SIGN.
IS THAT AN, IS THAT A, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL DEFER THAT TO, UH, THE SALESMAN FOR THE PROJECT.
AND IF YOU COULD ANNOUNCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH FLIGHT SIGNS AS WELL.
THE, THE POINT OF OF THE SIGN, THE THE DARK BRONZE PIECE IS AN ALUMINUM, AND THEN, LIKE HE SAID, THE P THE WHITE PART THAT COMES OUT IS MORE WHAT WE CALL, AGAIN, A FULL NEON.
IF, IF YOU WANTED US TO DO MAYBE THE CABINET WHERE WE HAVE THE ENTIRE CABINET AS BEING REVERSE ILLUMINATED, IT'S JUST THE, THE SIZE OF THE LETTERS BECAUSE OF IT BEING QUEEN BEE'S TEA ROOM IS THE LETTERS FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR TEA ROOM, WOULD BE TOO SMALL TO DO AS A, AS A CHANNEL LETTER PER SE, AS A, AS
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AN OPEN FACE NEON LETTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.AND SO THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH IT DOES SAY INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED THE, THE PURE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NEON WITHOUT TRULY HAVING NEON ON THE, ON THE FACE OF THE SIGN.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, UH, SO WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT YOU'RE STATING IS THAT THE WIDTH OF THE LIGHTED ELEMENT ON TOP UHHUH THE WIDTH AND THE, AND THE, AND THE PRESENTATION OF IT WILL LOOK LIKE NEON, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
MY QUESTION WAS SIMPLY THE HALO EFFECT I SEE IN THIS IMAGE IS THAT POS, IS THAT ALSO A POSSIBILITY IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED? THAT IF, IF YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATE THE WHOLE CA OR REVERSE ILLUMINATE THE WHOLE CABINET, THEN WE CAN DO THAT TO ADD, ADD AN HALO EFFECT AROUND THE, THE ENTIRE CABINET.
BUT TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THE LETTERS AND THE B WOULD BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE COULD INCORPORATE THE REVERSE LIGHTING IN THE CABINETS THEMSELVES TO GO AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE CABINETS IS, IF THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE COMMISSION.
BUT I GUESS THE THING FOR ME IS YOU, THE PICTURE HERE WHERE IT SAYS THE DAIQUIRI STORE THAT LOOKS LIKE NEON AND THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN WITH THE LITTLE TINY LETTERS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A NEON SIGN WOULD EVER REALLY LOOK, EVEN IF IT'S LIT UP AND STUFF.
LIKE JUST THE SHAPES OF THE LETTERS DON'T SEEM TO TO LOOK LIKE NEON 'CAUSE NEON'S MADE WITH THOSE CONTINUOUS LINES.
AND THIS IS JUST SQUARED OFF AND NOT ROUNDED, LIKE THE WAY THE NEON NORMALLY WOULD BE SAYING IT'S FOE NEON.
HE'S BEEN TRYING TO SAY IT'S, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE NEON BACK.
LIKE, BUT I MEAN I, BUT I THINK THAT P IS DIFFERENT.
THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT, WHAT THE, THE INTENT OF THE, THE GUIDELINES IS.
'CAUSE IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER.
LIKE IT'S EITHER A NEON LETTER OR IT'S A BACK LIT LIPS LETTER.
SO THEN AT THIS POINT, COULD WE JUST GO BACK WITH, WITH PURELY NEON ON THE FACE OF IT, RATHER THAN IT BEING A ROUTED PUSH THROUGH PHONE NEON.
COULD WE DO THE WHOLE THING WITH NEON ON THE FACE OF THAT, OF THAT CABINET? WELL, I THINK NEON'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO SO.
THEN, THEN WE'LL GO THAT, WE'LL GO THAT ROUTE THEN.
WE'RE, I'M JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PULL INTO THE
STAFF, MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT.
IS THERE A MOTION? UH, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT BE A NEON SIGN AND THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE HEIGHT OF DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION PASSES.
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DEION.
I SUBMIT ITEM E 10 AT 9 1 8 COLUMBIA STREET IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO THROUGH THE 2,455 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO STORY CONTRIBUTING QUEEN ANNE STYLE PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1910, SITUATED ON A 6,600 AND SQUARE, UH, 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT.
ON JULY 11TH, 2025, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A 3 0 1 COMPLAINT FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE INSPECTOR OBSERVED THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS AND ALL OF THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS HAD BEEN REPLACED FROM INSET WOOD WINDOWS TO VINYL WINDOWS AND A RED TAG WAS ISSUED.
HOWEVER, NO HARD WAS IMPLEMENTED FOR THIS ADDRESS.
DUE TO THE ERROR OF THE INSPECTOR, THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ON JULY 11TH, 2025, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED ANOTHER 3 1 1 COMPLAINT FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS.
FOR THIS EXACT SAME REASON, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS THE SCOPE OF WORK DOES NOT SATISFY CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, AND 10, AND AN ISSUANCE OF COR TO REMOVE THE VINYL WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND ON THE FRONT ELEVATION CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
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UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.I DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT JUST CHECKING IF ANYONE IN THE ROOM IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
NOW THE, THE OWNER'S HERE IN CASE Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, BUT HE DIDN'T SIGN UP.
I'LL KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR NOW.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE OWNERS SAID.
DID, DID THE WINDOW COMPANY MISLEAD THEM OR SOMETHING? OR DID THEY JUST DO IT ON THEIR OWN? UM, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND FOR THE RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE.
UH, YEAH, I'M ED WANDERER, I'M THE OWNER.
THEY DIDN'T TELL ME, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS NEEDED.
NOW IT'S WINDOW WORLD, SO THEY WILL DO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
SO, AND I DID GET OTHER QUOTES.
UM, ONE WAS FOR LIKE 58,000, I IMMEDIATELY DELETED THAT.
'CAUSE WINDOW WORLD CAME IN AT 13 OR SO.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I JUST, I I DIDN'T KNOW.
SO, AND THEN WHEN THEY, THEY CAME BY AND TOLD ME, HEY, YOU HAVE TO STOP.
I TOLD 'EM YOU, THEY WERE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO ALL OF THEM.
I HADN'T EVEN PUT, PUT TWO OF THEM BACK.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I DIDN'T KNOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, WERE YOU ABLE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT THEY HAD PULLED OUT? I HAVE THREE OF THEM.
SO, AND TWO OF THEM ARE IN THE FRONT.
I WILL SAY THE ONE, UH, LIKE THE SMALLER ONE IN THE FRONT.
THE SMALL, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THAT ONE IS, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT IS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT A, NOT A CONTRACTOR, BUT I HAD TO REPLACE THE FLOOR ALL UNDER THAT.
AND THEN I HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THE DRYWALL.
I DON'T, I DON'T, IT WAS JUST LEAKING CONSTANTLY.
SO, UH, THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE REASON THAT I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON WINDOWS.
I'M JUST, I GOT LEAKS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, SO, UH, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, UH, I'M WIPING WATER OFF WINDOW SILLS EVERY MORNING, UH, BECAUSE, AND I'VE GOT TWO DEHUMIDIFIERS RUNNING.
I MEAN, THE HOUSE IS JUST LEAKING LIKE A SVE.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I WAS EVEN TRYING TO GET WINDOWS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
CAN I GET SOME CLARITY FROM STAFF PLEASE? YES.
WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? IS HE GOING TO PUT VINYL WINDOWS IN? IS HE GOING TO KEEP WOOD WINDOWS? I'M NOT CLEAR.
SO WE KIND OF LEFT THAT UP TO YOU GUYS.
BUT WE JUST WANTED THEM, OR FOR THE VINYL WINDOWS TO BE REMOVED.
SINCE THEY WERE PUT IN WITHOUT A PERMIT, WE WERE UNABLE TO DO A, YOU KNOW, A LIKE A SITE VISIT, BUT PRIOR FOR THEM BEING INSTALLED AND YEAH, WE JUST PRETTY MUCH WEREN'T ABLE TO REALLY VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT IF THEY WERE, UH, BEYOND REPAIR IN PERSON.
SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE WINDOWS, ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS CURRENTLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND ON THE FRONT ELEVATION? JUST ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THE, SO THE BIG, THE BIG WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE STILL THERE, THE WOOD WINDOWS.
NONE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR REPLACED.
ALL, THEY'RE JUST THE TWO LITTLE WINDOWS.
JUST THE TWO AND THE, JUST THE TWO UPSTAIRS? YES.
AND YOU, DO YOU HAVE THOSE STILL OR NOT? I DO STILL HAVE THOSE, YEAH.
WELL, MAYBE WE JUST MAKE HIM PUT THOSE BACK AND LEAVE THE ONE ALONE ON THE SIDES.
I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE THAT THE LITTLE ONE IN THE FRONT, WHICH HE SAID HE'S HAD SOME TROUBLE WITH, WAS MAYBE DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA, COULD PETE LOOK AT PETE STOCKTON? LOOK AT ANY OF THE WINDOWS.
PETE STOCKTON LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS.
WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, FROM THE SITE VISIT.
SO WHAT DID PETE STOCKTON SAY WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS? UH, HE NOTICED THAT IT WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
SO, UH, HE WAS OBVIOUSLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
THAT LIKE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS
SO COULD, COULD HE, COULD HE GO AND LOOK AT THEM AND SEE IF THEY CAN BE SALVAGED? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE LIKE WRECKED, IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANY GOOD TO TRY AND PUT 'EM BACK.
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NEED TO WORK ON SOME WATERPROOFING.'CAUSE IT MAY NOT BE THE WINDOWS, IT MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR THE OWNER.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE, THERE IS THIS MIXED COUNT OF WHAT IS STILL THERE AND WHAT IS NOT THERE.
THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, I MEAN MM-HMM
SO CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY OF THOSE WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE THE MAP THAT I HAVE? UH, SORRY, THERE'S A LOT OF FIXTURES.
SO IF YOU, SORRY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, OH, THERE WE GO.
SO THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE INTERIOR, I GUESS SQUARE ISH IF YOU LOOK AT IT.
SO IT'S 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 AND 1913 THROUGH 19 WERE REPLACED.
AND WHAT IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? 15 IS THE FRONT OR 17, 15 AND 16 IS THE FRONT.
THIS IS THE FRONT RIGHT OVER HERE.
SO, SO IN THAT 15 IS THAT SMALLER WINDOW THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN, SO I, BUT I HAVE THAT, I HAVE 15, I HAVE 16, AND THEN I HAVE 17, UH, 13, 18 AND 19 WERE ALUMINUM.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY TOOK 'EM OUT AND THEY JUST FELL APART.
AND THEN 14, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WINDOW WORLD DID WITH 14, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE EITHER.
OUT OF THE SECOND FLOOR, 13, 19, HOW MANY ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT YOU STILL HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR? I HAVE PRESUME YOU SAID THE FIRST FLOOR, NOTHING HAS BEEN MOVED.
IT'S ALL WHATEVER I BOUGHT SECOND FLOOR.
HOW MANY OF THIS DO YOU STILL HAVE? THE ORIGINAL LINE? I ONLY HAVE THREE, WHICH IS 15, 16, 17.
SO THE, THE UPSTAIRS, RIGHT? YEP.
SO 15 AND 16 IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
17, 18, 19 AND 13 AND 14 ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
BUT THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THE COR.
DO WE HAVE THEN, NOW IF THEY ARE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINALS ANYMORE, DO WE PUT A, A CONDITION TO ASK HIM TO PUT WOOD WINDOWS INSTEAD? THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THEY CAN BE IN KIND.
SO HAVE TO BE IN, IN WOOD WINDOWS, RIGHT? NO, THE ORDINANCE IS, IS FAIRLY CLEAR THAT AS LONG AS THEY MATCH ONE OVER ONE VINYL IS TECHNICALLY PERMITTED IN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT THAT'S IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT REPAIRABLE TO, TO BE CORRECT.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE STILL PROTECTED.
BUT HE STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS FOR SOME OF THESE WINDOWS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND I WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT WINDOWS 13, 18 AND 19 WERE ALUMINUM.
WELL, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED JUST ON THE WINDOWS, LIKE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IF THE BIG WINDOWS ON THE FRONT WALL THAT APPEAR TO BE, ARE THEY ONE OVER ONE? I MEAN, THERE'S SOME WINDOWS THAT ARE LIKE MULTIPLE LIGHTS IN YOUR, WHEN YOU'RE RAN RUNNING THROUGH THE IMAGES.
I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ON THE FRONT FACADE FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW AND FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SWEATING ON THE INSIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS THAT YOU COULD JUST PUT IN THAT, THAT STOP THAT FROM OCCURRING.
AND, AND MAKE IT AIR TIGHT AND AIR SEALED.
AND I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET ME PUT VINYL WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
THAT'S NOT GONNA, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, HONESTLY, WHAT I WAS, I WAS HOPING TO COME AWAY WITH WAS THE ABILITY TO, TO PUT IN THE VINYL WINDOWS WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THEM AWAY FROM THE STREET.
AND THEN, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN'T AFFORD 58,000 WINDOWS, BUT I CAN PROBABLY AFFORD WHATEVER IT COSTS TO PUT NEW WINDOWS IN THE FRONT THAT ARE WOOD AND WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BE, UM, CONFORMING.
UM, BUT I GUESS THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF MY HOPE COMING AWAY FROM THIS.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I SCREWED UP.
BUT, UH, YOU BUT THE ORIGINAL, THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT ARE STILL THERE, RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL STILL IN.
I THOUGHT THE DOWNSTAIRS ONE WAS NOT REPLACED AT ALL.
THE FRONT ONES ARE STILL THERE.
SO WE'RE STILL DEBATING ONLY THE UPSTAIRS RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE SIDES? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY REPLACING KIND.
IF HE HAD ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON 13, 18 AND 19, DO WE ASK HIM TO PUT BACK ALUMINUM OR DO WE PUT IT NO, HE COULD DO THE BOT.
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IF, IF THEY'RE IN SET AND THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION.I MEAN, AND WE CAN WE CYCLE THROUGH THE OTHER SIDES OF THE HOUSE OR, OR DRAWINGS.
AND THERE'S ALSO LIKE A SIX OVER SIX WINDOW ON THE SIDE.
WELL, THOSE ARE PROBABLY NEWER.
SO I MEAN, A LOT OF HISTORIC MATERIAL I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT WE SHOULD SEND PETE OUT THERE AND INVENTORY THE WINDOWS AND WHICH ONES AREN'T REPAIRABLE.
AND WHICH ONES ARE REPAIRABLE UHHUH.
AND THEN PICK THIS BACK UP ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
SO MAYBE I WOULD MOVE TO DEFER THIS IS THERE YOUR MOTION? I I SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
FINAL DISCUSSION IS JUST 'CAUSE ANY WINDOW LIKE ALUMINUM OR IF WE DETERMINE THE OTHER MULTI LIGHT WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL, THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE TO DEFER IT ALL IN FAVOR THE MOTION.
ANY OPPOSED? I THOUGHT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IT.
ANY ABSTENTIONS CAN'T SOLVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE MOTION WAS TO DEFER IT TO ALLOW, UH, TO GET SOME MORE CLARITY FROM STAFF ON WHICH WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE ITSELF.
WHICH, WHICH, UM, MAYBE DETERMINED, UM, A WOODS.
I RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER, UH, INTERIOR STORM WINDOW, LIKE ON THEIR FRONT WINDOWS, LIKE ON THE FRONT FACADE BECAUSE THEY WILL STOP CONDENSATION.
THEY WILL, THEY ARE AIRTIGHT AND, UM, IT'S JUST, AND THEY ARE CHEAPER THAN REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
SO, UM, IT JUST FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE DO ALLOW WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED IF THEY CANNOT BE REPAIRED IN A RE IN A REASONABLE FASHION.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE W IF YOU STILL HAVE THOSE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, HE COULD ALSO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE REPAIRABLE OR NOT.
SO, AND I THINK THAT THOSE, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SOME FEEDBACK FROM, FROM PETE IF POSSIBLE AND FROM OUR STAFF.
SO WE'RE MAYBE BOTH IF THEY'RE REPAIRABLE AND IF THEY'RE EVEN ORIGINAL.
I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THREE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
BUT I'M GUESSING THE SIX OVER SIX WINDOW, IT'S BY ITSELF ON THE SIDE, MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL.
SO IF WE HAVE AN INVENTORY OF THE WINDOWS, THEN WE CAN TELL HIM YOU CAN REPLACE THESE.
IT, IT'S AN OLD WINDOW WITH ROPE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES THE HOUSE, SO.
UM, SO, UH, I WANT TO, UH, ACTUALLY GET A BETTER CLARIFICATION.
UH, ARE YOU GETTING THIS ALL CLEARLY OR IS IT AS CLEAR AS MUD HERE RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, I THINK I, I THINK I I THINK I GOT IT.
I MEAN, DON'T BE BASHFUL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CONFUSING, JUST LET US KNOW.
NO, I MEAN I, I'LL DEFER TO PETE, WHATEVER PETE SAID.
I THINK IN AN EFFORT TO HELP YOU, IF WE KNOW WHICH WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL AND WHICH ONES AREN'T YEAH.
AND WHICH ONES ARE REPAIRABLE AND WHICH ONES AREN'T, WE CAN GIVE YOU BETTER GUIDANCE GUIDELINES YES.
AS TO WHAT YOU CAN REPLACE AND NOT REPLACE.
SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN YOU NEED TO OR UNDOING THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE UNDONE.
THAT HONESTLY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THIS IS THE CLARIFICATION, YOUR HONOR.
MOVING TO OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR UM, REVIEW.
OH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON.
I SUBMIT ITEM E 11 AT 4 1 7 HIGHLAND STREET IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE 1,648 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY CONTRIBUTING QUEEN AND PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1910, SITUATED ON A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT ON JUNE 9TH, 2025.
THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A RELOCATION AND REAR EDITION.
THE APPLICATION WAS HEARD AT THE JULY 17TH COMMISSION AND WAS DEFERRED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE AGENT NOR THE APPLICANT ARE NOT HERE TODAY.
BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
WERE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION? NO.
WAS THIS THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US LAST MONTH? YES SIR.
SO NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE SINCE.
SO WHY SHOULD WE CHANGE OUR DECISIONS THEN? WASTING OUR TIME HERE? BUT I DO AS I HAVE A SPEAKER.
SO LET'S, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE OWNER AND THE AGENT IS NOT HERE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ARE YOU? SO LET ME, LET ME JUST START.
NO, NICK TOLD ME THAT YOU WEREN'T GONNA BE HERE.
THAT HE WAS ALSO NOT GONNA BE HERE.
SO LET ME, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST AND UM, I DO IT A SPEAKER.
UH, IS IT, ER, IF YOU CAN RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD OF THE MICROPHONE AND GOOD AFTERNOON.
IF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
FOLLOWING YOUR THANK CHAIRMAN AND
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COMMITTEE MEMBERS.UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE CHICHESTER.
I'M THE OWNER OF 4 1 7 HIGHLAND STREET, ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND JUSTIN CHICHESTER AND OUR TWO KIDS, UH,
SO, UM, I'M MAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT OUR DECISION AND OUR, UH, DESIRE TO RELOCATE THE PROPERTY.
UM, FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH WAS DEFERRED.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THE FEEDBACK WAS YOU WANTED TO SEE SOME OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS.
UM, WE DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT OTHER DESIGNS AND WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS, UM, DIMENSIONALLY, CURRENTLY THE HOUSE IS SITUATED TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE LOT.
WE HAVE AN 11 FOOT DRIVEWAY ON THAT WESTERN SIDE.
AND THE, UM, BACK CORNERS OF THE HOUSE HAVE BEEN, UH, DETERMINED THAT IT EXTENDS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO WHAT INCORPORATES A LATTICE TYPE PORCH IN THE BACK.
SO IF WE COUNT THAT AS OUR ORIGINAL HOUSE AND WE MAINTAIN THOSE CORNERS, UM, SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
THE, UM, PARAMETERS DON'T ALLOW THE TWO CARS TO GET IN OR EVEN EVEN ONE CAR TO REALLY KIND OF NAVIGATE IN AND AROUND THE CORNERS TO GET BACK INTO THE HOUSE WITH A FIVE FOOT OFFSET FROM BOTH SIDES.
UH, OF THE FENCE LINES, THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO THAT PUTS OUR TWO CAR GARAGE OVER ONTO THE EAST SIDE.
UM, NOW IF WE PUT A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE EAST SIDE AND WE MAINTAIN THE HOUSE WHERE IT IS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A DRIVEWAY CUTTING THROUGH 28 FEET OF, UH, GRASS, UM, OUR SIDE YARD AND, UM, MOTION GRABS.
IS THERE A SECOND? JONES SECONDS.
UM, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT CUTS INTO THE SIDE YARD, HAVING A DRIVEWAY GO THROUGH THERE, AND THEN ALSO IT MAKES THE GARAGE A MUCH MORE PROMINENT FEATURE.
YOU HAVE NOTHING, UH, COVERING UP THAT GARAGE AND IT'S IN ORDER TO GET ANY SORT OF KIND YARD THAT WE'RE REALLY, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO IN THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UH, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD KIND OF LOSE THAT WITH THIS, UM, WITH PUSHING THE GARAGE OVER TO THE WHAT EAST SIDE AND NOT RE-LOOKING THE HOUSE TO THE EAST SIDE AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS THE, THE MAIN GOAL AND THE MAIN DESIRE.
WE'RE NOT FROM HOUSTON, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OF THE MINDSET OF BIG CAR, BIG HOUSE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN WITH THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, MAINTAINING THE SMALLER HOUSE FEEL AND ALSO, UM, HAVING THAT OUTSIDE USABLE SPACE.
'CAUSE WE ARE A VERY ACTIVE FAMILY AND I WANT MY KIDS TO RUN AROUND, UH, AND GET SOME EXERCISE
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH, IF YOU HAVE ANY.
WE HAVE I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER.
SORRY, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM, FROM LAST MONTH.
AND ALSO THINK ABOUT THIS DIMENSIONALLY AS YOU SAID.
SO THERE THERE IS AN EXISTING 11 FOOT DRIVEWAY YES.
ON THE WEST SIDE, ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SIDE.
AND WITH, WITH OPINIONS ASIDE, THAT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO GET A CAR DOWN AND INTO A GARAGE.
WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY FIT ONE CAR THROUGH.
UM, WHAT IT ENDS UP DOING IS YOU'RE STILL STACKING YOUR CARS IN A DRIVEWAY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IDEAL.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TURNING RADIUS TO BUILD A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND GET BOTH CARS INTO THE GARAGE.
THE BLA SHOWS THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE SLAB GARAGE AND THE TIGHTNESS.
WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO SHIFT IT.
I JUST, I GUESS I'M, WELL I'LL SAVE THAT FOR, FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION HERE.
FOR ALL THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, A 11 FOOT DRIVEWAY IS VERY STANDARD FOR A INTERMEDIATE LOT.
AND TYPICALLY THE CARS, IF THEY WANNA PACK, PARK IT RIGHT TO THE BACK, THEY WILL STILL USE THAT AS A DRIVEWAY AND THEN PARK ONE CAR OR STAGGER THE CARS LIKE BACK TO BACK.
SO IF THIS IS THE CASE THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS ACCEPTED AS, AS PART OF THE INTERMEDIATE
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LOT, SO WHY IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT? YEAH, I'M PUTTING A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM IS THE, THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN.
AND I UNDERSTAND I'VE, I'VE GOT A YOUNG FAMILY TOO.
UM, GETTING IN AND OUT AND MAKING IT LIVABLE FOR, FOR YOUR FAMILY VERSUS THE POTENTIAL EITHER LOSS OR, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION OF MOVING THE HISTORIC FABRIC.
UM, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IN, IN FACT KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY DIFFERENT LAYOUTS AND WAYS THIS MAY WORK.
IN FACT, KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY AT ONE ONE AT 11 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND YOU STAGGER THE CARS, GIVE YOU FANTASTIC GARDEN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THERE IS ONE MORE, UM, ITEM FOR THE EAST SIDE.
WE HAVE A LEGACY ENCROACHMENT FROM OUR EASTERN NEIGHBORS.
UM, THEIR CURRENT GARAGE IS OFFSET BY ONE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEIR DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY COMES OVER INTO OUR PROPERTY ABOUT A FOOT TO A FOOT AND A HALF.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY DO IS COME TO SOME SORT OF HARMONY WITH THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO JUST PUT A SECOND STORY ONTO THAT GARAGE.
UH, SO BY KIND OF MOVING OUR HOUSE OVER INTO ALIGN IT WITH THEIRS, UM, WE CAN AT LEAST COEXIST WITH THEIR PROPERTY, UH, WITHOUT MUCH DETRIMENT TO THEM.
UM, BUT YOU DID BUY THAT PROPERTY WITH THE SURVEY AND YOU KNEW THAT MM-HMM
IT WASN'T BUYER EVERYWHERE, BUT WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE PUTTING ON THE SECOND STORY.
WELL, DID THEY GET A PERMIT FOR THAT? MM-HMM
THEY DID
THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
WELL, LET'S ASK STAFF ABOUT THE NAMING PROPERTY.
'CAUSE I CAN'T TELL FROM THAT SITE PLAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THAT THE GARAGE IS ALSO OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
I, THE GARAGE WOULD NEVER GIVE A PERMIT.
THE GARAGE IS ONE FOOT ON THEIR SIDE.
SO IT'S JUST ENCROACHED BY A FOOT ONTO THE ALLOWANCE.
UM, THE CONCRETE SLAB WHERE IT COMES, IT KIND OF DOES A LITTLE POP OUT LIKE THAT.
SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO A THREE ONE ONE CALL IN THE NEIGHBOR'S GARAGE.
'CAUSE THEY MUST HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THEY, THEY DO HAVE PERMITTING.
UM, THEY PUT UP THE SECOND STORY AND THEY PULLED IT IN TO THE ALLOWABLE.
I GUESS IT WAS A THREE FOOT OFFSET.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW, WE'D LIKE TO APPROVE THAT.
HUH? WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE KNOWN THAT THE BOTTOM PART OF THE GARAGE WAS ENCROACHING.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THEIR LENDER WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
STAFF CAN ILLUMINATE US ON THE OTHER PROPERTY.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO MAKE WAVES ABOUT THEIR OTHER PROPERTY.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS, YOU KNOW, TAKE OURS AND KIND OF MAKE IT HARMONIOUS WITH THEIRS.
IT GIVES US PRIVACY, PUTTING OUR GARAGE AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND STORY ON TOP OF THE GARAGE THAT GIVES US THE PRIVACY FROM THEIR SECOND STORY.
IT ALSO MAKES SURE THAT WE, OUR YARD SPACE AND OUR GARDEN SPACE IS NOT BEING OVERLOOKED BY THEIR SECOND YARD OR THEIR SECOND STORY.
IT GIVES US THE PRIVACY ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE LETTING THEM MOVE THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY JUST 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO.
LIKE, IF THERE WAS LITERALLY NO ROOM TO GET A CAR, SURE.
THAT MIGHT BE A REASON, BUT THERE'S ALREADY SPACE AND THEY COULD JUST REDESIGN THE GARAGE TO WORK ON THAT SIDE.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PANDORA'S WALKS THAT WE OPEN NOW.
EVERY OTHER PROJECT FROM THE HIKES IS GONNA COME AND SAY THEY WANNA MOVE THEIR HOUSE.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE, WE SAID NOT TO DO IT AND THEY, THEY'VE WANTED TO DO IT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
OUR DESIGNERS ARE BUNGALOW, REVIVAL, UM, NICK AND GILBERT, THEY'VE MOVED SEVERAL HISTORIC HOMES AND THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD TRACK RECORD.
SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WELL, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
WELL, I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WELL, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I MAY 2ND IT
I, I I THINK I, I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO CREATIVE TO REDESIGN THE, THE, TO WORK WITH THE WAY THE HOUSE IS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE, LIKE PART OF THE GUIDELINES IS THE HOUSE HAS TO BE IN THIS HISTORIC SITUATION AND CONTEXT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT HOUSE ALWAYS WAS.
EVER SINCE IT WAS BUILT AND YOU LOSE A LOT OF MATERIAL WHEN YOU PICK THE HOUSE UP AND MOVE IT OVER, YOU LOSE THE WHOLE FOUNDATION.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR EIGHT YEARS WHERE THEY'VE TRIED TO MOVE THE HOUSES FOR VARIOUS REASONS
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AND WE, WE DON'T LET THEM DO IT UNLESS IT'S, THERE WAS ONE PROJECT WHERE IT WAS A HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN MOVED ONTO THE PROPERTY AND WE LET HIM MOVE IT AROUND, BUT, BUT THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.SO THE CONTEXT WAS ALREADY BROKEN.
BUT HERE, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE EVER SINCE IT'S BEEN BUILT.
I WOULD LIKE TO
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ALL COMMIT TO WANTING TO FIND THAT SOLUTION.
UH, I WOULD PROPOSE TO DEFER WELL, IF WE DEFERRED IT AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO EITHER VOTE ON IT.
WELL, THE PEOPLE IN COURTLAND DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGE THE SECOND TIME.
OR MAYBE THEY'LL, WELL, I, I THINK, LET'S SEE.
COMMISSIONER COLLEGE, MIKE, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE DEFERRAL IF ALL OF US ARE DISAGREE? SO NUMBER ONE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS MOVING THE HOUSE.
IF YOU AND I ARE BOTH NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THE HOUSE BEING MOVED, WE SHOULD JUST STATE IT THAT THEY, THEY DON'T COME BACK AND STILL KEEP ON GIVING US ANOTHER OPTION WHERE THE HOUSE IS BEING MOVED.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, UH, WE, WE WILL NOT LET THEM MOVE THE HOUSE, PERIOD.
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH AN OPTION THAT THAT CAN COME UP WITHOUT MOVING THE HOUSE.
BUT IF THEY JUST COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, THIS OPTION IS MOVING THE HOUSE NOW, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAT WE'VE MADE NO PROGRESS, WE'D PROBABLY DENIED AT THAT POINT.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REAPPLY COMPLETELY FROM SCRATCH.
AGAIN, I THINK STAFF HAS A GOOD, I THINK STAFF HAS A COMMENT FOR US.
UH, SO I SPOKE TO THE ARCHITECT, NICK ARANCO, WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY.
UH, HE AND THE OWNER WOULD LIKE FOR A DEFINITIVE ACTION TO BE GIVEN TODAY AND NOT TO DEFER, SORRY, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? THE, THEY WANT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
THEY WOULD NOT LIKE TO DEFER, VOTED UP OR DOWN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
IT'LL JUST GET OVERTURNED ON APPEAL MOST.
WELL, THERE'S NO SERIOUS JUSTIFICATION.
MOVE THE BACK OF THE LAWN, LIKE LITERALLY.
UM, WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM F COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UM, SO I'M OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
THE FIRST, UH, SPEAKER IS VERONICA CABRA.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT YOU HAD THIS SYSTEM.
SO THE ONLY THING I CAN OFFER FOR IS THAT DOCUMENT.
AND THEN I DO HAVE LARGE POSTERS, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD HELP TODAY.
UM, BUT IF YOU WANNA SEE 'EM, I CAN PASS 'EM AROUND.
I AM A A THIRD GENERATION RESIDENT OF THE EAST TEXT JENSEN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I AM REFERRING TO THE GRANADA THEATER, WHICH IS ABOUT TO BE DEMOLISHED PRETTY SOON IN A FEW WEEKS.
AND WHAT IT IS REALLY HARD TO KNOW THAT, UM, THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL ICONIC BUILDING THAT REPRESENTS THE ARTS.
I'M AN ARTIST, I'M AN ARTS ADVOCATE.
I'VE BEEN ON NATIONAL TV DEFENDING THE ARTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND TO SEE A SPACE LIKE THIS TO BE DEMOLISHED WITHIN A FEW WEEKS WITHOUT REAL CONSIDERATION OF PRESERVING OR REHABILITATION OF WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE TABLE AND SEE WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? CAN WE HALT DEMOLITION TO HAVE A BETTER DISCUSSION? UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE AS A RESIDENT AND AN ARTIST? AND I GUESS THAT'S IT.
A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ABOUT THE DEMOTION.
UM, SO, UH, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT, CDRC DID A LONG STUDY FIVE YEARS AGO.
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A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ARTISTS TRIED TO PURCHASE IT.IT HAS FALLEN THROUGH, UM, CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS JUST PURCHASED IT TO DEMOLISH IT AND PUT A SOUP KITCHEN IN ITS PLACE.
WHAT'S CDRC? UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, RESEARCH CORPORATION, UH, COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON.
THEY DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, DID COMMUNITY SURVEYS, UH, CAME UP WITH DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE HERE.
DID, I MEAN A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT FOR YEARS WITH THE DRIVING FORWARD THAT NOW COMMISSIONER, UM, ADRIAN GARCIA IS ACTUALLY BACKING WITH FUNDS FOR THIS WORK TO BE DONE.
UM, AND THEN THOSE DRAWINGS HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
NOW RESEARCH HAS BEEN IGNORED AND HONESTLY, HISTORICALLY OUR COMMUNITY'S IGNORED.
I JUST WANNA PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE? YES, I HAD A, I CAME TO CITY COUNCIL YESTERDAY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE THIS LONG PROCESS AND MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S GONNA GET DEMOLISHED BY THE TIME THE PROCESS HAPPENS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO WHO IS THE NEW OWNER NOW THAT WANTS TO DEMOLISH IT? UM, CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THEY ARE GONNA BRING SOME CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
YES, THEY'RE GONNA BRING SOME GOOD RESOURCES TO THE COMMUNITY.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL IN A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
THEY'VE BOUGHT THE ENTIRE LOT, SO THE, THE ENTIRE LOT HAS BEEN PURCHASED.
UM, SO THEY'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, BUT MEANWHILE ARE STILL READY TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING A FULL PLAN AND WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE MONEY RAISED IF TO BUILD, IF HELPFUL.
UM, I WILL VOLUNTEER OR I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER A WONDERFUL STAFF TOO TO WORK WITH THEM, UM, TO SIT DOWN WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR HISTORIC, FOR RESTORATION, HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION AND INVESTMENT.
AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IT'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH, IT MAY BE ACTUALLY MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THEM AND THEIR FUNDRAISING TO ACTUALLY REUSE THIS EXISTING BUILDING GIVEN THE CONDITION, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAN IT WOULD BE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
SO IF YOU COULD BROKER THAT CONVERSATION, UM, IF, IF THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A SENSE YET IF CATHOLIC CHARITIES WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, THEY CERTAINLY, THERE'S NO REASON YOU COULDN'T HAVE A SOUP KITCHEN INSIDE THE HISTORIC GRANADA THEATER RIGHT.
AND PRESERVE THE BUILDING FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL.
SO ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE BROUGHT IT TO THE TABLE SEVERAL TIMES.
THE LATEST THAT WE GOT WAS A DEMOLISHED IMAGE OF ALL THE BRICKS RESTACKED TO BE A, UM, KIND OF LIKE AN ICON SYMBOL OF WHAT THE GRANADA USED TO LOOK LIKE AND, UM, WITH THE SYMBOL OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES ON IT.
AND THEN WHEN I EVEN ASKED IF WE COULD SAVE, 'CAUSE THE WORD GRANADA IS STILL ACTUALLY INTACT, THAT IF WE COULD SAVE THOSE PIECES, AT LEAST THEY SAID NO, THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO RESTORE EVEN.
SO, SO THAT WAS A BIT ALARMING.
YOU AND ME WE'RE STARTING A THING
SO, AND, AND, AND I JUST WANNA LIFT UP THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE MANY PLACES THAT ARE DEEMED HISTORIC.
THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
I RENOVATED ONE MYSELF INVESTED AT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE GOT FROM KELLY CLARKSON PLUS ALL OF THIS WORK AND TURNED IT INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HELD 6,000 PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FED PEOPLE DURING DISASTERS OPENED UP THIS SPACE SO I CAN REALLY PROVE WHAT AN OLD BUILDING CAN BE REUSED FOR.
AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY OUR LANDLORD DOUBLED OUR RENT, SO HE PUSHED US OUT.
BUT
BECAUSE EVEN ON THE FENCE THAT HAS BEEN PUT UP THERE, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE COMMUNICATING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN THE GAS STATIONS PUT UP SIGNS SAYING, OH, THIS IS COMING SOON, BUT NOTHING HAS PUT ON THIS FENCE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
AND TO, OF COURSE, IT'S DEMOLISHED.
AND THEN WHAT CAN YOU DO? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND I THINK, UM, I, I KNOW I PERSONALLY AM AM OPEN AND, AND WILLING TO HELP.
AND I THINK PRESERVATION HOUSTON, OUR, OUR LOCAL ORGANIZATION, THIS IS A GREAT, UM, PLUS, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO PULL PRESERVATION HOUSTON AND THERE ARE OUR LOCAL ADVOCATES FOR THIS.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME REPRESENTATIVES HERE.
EMILY, YOU MAY WANNA SPEAK OR WE CAN CONNECT AFTERWARDS.
BUT IF YOU CAN CONNECT US WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, UH, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW AT CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THEN I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND BRING THE POTENTIAL RESOURCES, UM, TO THEM, UM, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
I CAN'T THANK YOU GUYS ENOUGH.
I THOUGHT PRESERVATION HOUSTON WAS HERE EARLIER.
ARE THEY STILL HERE? WE'RE HERE.
BY THE WAY, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME AGAIN? MINE, UH, VERONICA CABRERA MORENO.
I'M THE FOUNDER OF ART IN THE HEART AND I'M A REALLY, UM, STRONG ADVOCATE FOR MY COMMUNITY.
THEY SAID I WAS GONNA BE RUFFLING FEATHERS AND I SAID, WELL,
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I'M GONNA DO WHAT IT TAKES.I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY HE LEFT AND HAD TO GO TO A, UH, ANOTHER MEETING, BUT I THINK SHE SPOKE ON HIS BEHALF.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM G COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC COMMISSIONERS.
ENJOYED WORKING WITH EVERYBODY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR NEXT BUILDER IS.
I'VE, I HAVEN'T, I I HAVEN'T MET ANY OF THE NEW APPLICANTS, SO, UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A FEW COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, POSITIONS THAT ARE ALSO BEING AT, AT LEAST ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT'S BEING FILLED.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, UM, ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER POSITIONS, BUT, BUT, UM, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ HAS, UM, NOMINATED SOMEONE TO, UM, REPRESENT LIKE GLEN BRICK VALLEY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON AS WELL.
BUT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, BUT I'M GLAD WE DID HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING TO REMEMBER THIS, THIS, THIS COURTROOM PRESERVE, THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE WHO WERE VOTED IN BY THE COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THE CITIZEN REPS HERE, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, RENOMINATION AS WELL.
SO THIS MAY BE OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL AS FAR AS I, UM, I GUESS IT'S LEGAL, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, UNTIL ONE IS REPLACED, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I, THERE, THERE WILL BE FOR, FOR THE AT LARGE MEMBERS ON THIS COMMISSION, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A MOTION ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA SOLICITING NOMINATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND ONCE THOSE NOMINATIONS ARE MADE, THEN THE, THOSE NOMINATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED, UM, SEPARATELY.
SO, BUT, BUT UNTIL THAT TIME HAPPENS, THEY, YEAH, THEY SERVE THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT, EVERYONE SERVES UNTIL, YEAH, UNTIL, UNTIL YOU'RE REPLACED.
BUT I, UNTIL I'M JUST SAYING I DO, I'M AWARE OF AT LEAST ONE.
THE, AS MENTIONED, THE, THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT WILL BE NEWLY IN, UM, JOINING THE COMMISSION ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE MAYOR.
THERE ARE THESE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER POSITIONS I'M AWARE OF, AT LEAST COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ IS, HAS SUBMITTED A REPLACEMENT FOR, FOR, FOR AND COLUMN'S POSITION, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT THE THREE OF US, BUT I, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT POSITION'S GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IS IN THE WORKS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT YOU SPEAK ABOUT THAT, THAT THEY'LL LIKELY ALL COME TOGETHER.
THERE WILL BE A REQUEST FOR NOMINATIONS TO, TO COME FORWARD.
I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY TO MAKE IT SIMULTANEOUSLY SIMULTANEOUS WITH THE, UH, APPOINTMENT REQUEST FROM THE MAYOR, WHICH IS AUGUST 26TH, RIGHT? OR IS THAT PARDON? IS IT AUGUST 26TH? DID HE WHAT? NO, THEY'VE NOT BEEN ON THE AGENDA YET.
I I THINK IT'S ON SEPTEMBER 3RD.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE NEW APPOINTMENTS, UM, YEAH, SO WE HAVE TO FIND THE, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT VOTED US IN, OR THEY NOMINATED US TO BRING OUR NAMES UP AGAIN DURING THAT TIME.
WELL, SORRY IF, IF, IF THEY BRING UP, UM, A NOMINATION, BUT UNTIL THEY BRING UP A NOMINATION, I BELIEVE THAT THE STATUS QUO IS STILL IN PLACE, SIR.
SO, BUT I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND CHECKING IN WITH YOUR SENATE COUNCIL MEMBER.
MY MY RECOLLECTION OF THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT IT WILL SIMPLY BE ON THE AGENDA FOR, TO OPEN IT UP FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THESE FOUR POSITIONS.
THERE WON'T BE NAMES ON THE BALLOT AT THAT POINT OR ON, ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT IT'LL BE JUST A REQUEST.
THOSE NOMINATIONS, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL THEN HAVE A WEEK, MAYBE TWO WEEKS, JUST DEPENDS ON THE TIMING OF WHEN THEY GET IT IN THERE TO, UM, SUBMIT NOMINATIONS TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO THEN GET ON THE AGENDA.
AGAIN, I'M THINKING IF I WERE PLANNING IT, I WOULD WANT IT ON THE SAME AGENDA AS THE REGULAR APPOINTMENTS, BUT I, THAT THAT COULD CHANGE.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTED COMMISSIONER COUCH.
CAN YOU PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON? SORRY.
SO FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTED POSITIONS, YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER, DON'T BELIEVE APPOINT TO I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I THINK IT'S ANOTHER, A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN, CAN MAKE A NOMINATION TO THESE POSITIONS.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE DOMINIC AND AND ME BOTH LIVE IN THE SAME DISTRICT.
CAN THEY, CAN THE DISTRICT, THE
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COUNCIL MEMBER MAKE TWO NOMINATIONS? PARDON? CAN THE COUNCIL MEMBER MAKE TWO NOMINATIONS? IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THROUGH THAT SAME COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT YES, THEY COULD.I THINK THE LAST I SAW, I THINK THERE WAS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAD MADE TWO NOMINATIONS, BECAUSE MY COUNCIL MEMBER MAY THE LAST TIME NO, ISN'T, ISN'T THERE ANYMORE? HE, HE'S GONE.
BUT, UH, KIM, UH, YESTERDAY AS I WAS TOLD BY, UH, COUNCILPERSON, UH, CASTILLO, THAT HE CANNOT NOMINATE TWO PEOPLE.
MAYBE THAT, THAT MAY BE, YEAH.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
UH, BUT UH, IN OUR POSITION I WAS VOTED IN BY COUNCIL PERSON ROBINSON, AND HE'S ALREADY OBVIOUSLY NOT IN OFFICE ANYMORE AS WELL, DRAFT AGENDA.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION TO BE REAPPOINTED TO, UM, TO THE, THE BOARD, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT DOES BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO WE SUPPOSEDLY THROUGH A COMMISSION, THROUGH A COUNCILPERSON, AN AGENDA.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN STAYING ON, THEN YOU CAN RESUBMIT YOUR, YOUR, UM, CREDENTIALS.
CREDENTIALS TO TO BE REAPPOINTED.
COUNCIL MEMBER GALLEGOS THE LAST TIME APPOINTED TO, OR NOMINATED TO, EXCUSE ME, IT WAS NOT AN APPOINTMENT, BUT NOMINATED TO, WAS THIS BEGINNING TO LIGHT THE SENATE
SO THAT, THAT'S THE WHAT, WHAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOME PURVIEW IN WHEN, WHEN THEY MAKE THESE, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I'M, AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME COORDINATION WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AS WELL.
SO, BUT I KNOW MANY OF US, I MEAN, FOR MANY YEARS I DIDN'T HAVE TO REAPPLY, OR AT LEAST AUGUST I WAS ASKED, WOULD, WOULD YOU STAY? BUT I KNOW THIS YEAR, BACK IN DECEMBER, UH, MANY OF US WERE ASKED TO FORMALLY SUBMIT, UH, APPLICATION RESUMES, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, WRITTEN STATEMENT, UH, BUT WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, SERVE AGAIN.
AND SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL RECEIVED THAT, BUT I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMISSION RECEIVED THAT, UH, REQUEST, UM, FOR IT.
AND SO, UM, NO, I DON'T THINK THE REPS, WELL, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THEY MAY BE, BUT, UM, REQUEST A SCOUT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I WOULD COUNSEL AT LEAST TALKING TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OF APPOINTMENTS.
THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THAT OFFICE BECAUSE YOUR POSITION WAS NOT FILLED THROUGH THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT.
IT WAS FILLED THROUGH THE OPEN NOMINATION PROCESS.
BACK CHANGE PERSON, MICROPHONE.
YOU GOTTA GET A COUNCIL PERSON TO RENOMINATE AND I'M NOT SURE SCOUT WILL BE THE PERSON TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND TALKING TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER NONETHELESS, AND WELL, WE HAVE TALKED TO HIM.
AND, AND, UH, DOMINIC SAID THAT HE TOLD DOMINIC THAT HE COULD ONLY APPOINT 1% AND HE'S ALREADY SAID HE APPOINTED ONE, SO THAT'S WHY HE'S ASKING US TO GO TO THE OTHER AT LARGE POSITIONS.
WELL MORE TO FOLLOW THEN ON THAT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM H, THE PRESERVATION OFFICE REPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR EK COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC.
I AM STAFF PERSON, YASMINE ARSLAN, AND TODAY I WILL BE DELIVERING THE PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT.
ON BEHALF OF STAFF, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO COMMISSIONERS CURRY MCNEIL SEPULVEDA, AND WEED OUR JACKSON FOR TIME AND SERVICE, EACH OF YOU WILL BE MISSED.
AND WE THANK YOU TREMENDOUSLY FOR YOUR HARD WORK TIME, DEDICATION, AND PASSION.
AS WE CLOSE UP OUR SECOND CYCLE WITH NEW PRESERVATION TRACKER, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING.
AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR NEW WEBSITE.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK
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ON PRESERVATION TRACKER AND ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH VARIOUS DIVISIONS AND TEAMS TO MAKE OUR WEBSITE EVEN BETTER, WHICH TAKES TIME.FOR DIRECT QUESTIONS ABOUT PRESERVATION TRACKER, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6.
ON JULY 31ST, THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION MET WITH SOME RESIDENTS OF THE FIFTH WARD NEIGHBORHOOD TO INFORM THEM OF THE GRANT.
OUR OFFICE WAS REWARDED TO NOMINATE A FOUR BLOCK STRETCH OF LYONS AVENUE AS A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
THE MEETING WAS HELD BY THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND STANTEC, THE CONSULTANTS WHO WERE AWARDED THE PROJECT TO DISCUSS AND NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE NOMINATED AS A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
THE MEETING WAS THE FIRST OF TWO OR THREE MEETINGS THAT STANTEC AND OUR OFFICE WILL PROVIDE TO THE WONDERFUL RESIDENTS OF THE FIFTH WARD.
THIS MONTH ALONE, WE HAVE RECEIVED NINE PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS, EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, AND 28 CFA APPLICATIONS.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING AS WE CONTINUE TO SERVE.
THE PUBLIC STAFF IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES AND PREPARING FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER CLOSING.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.