[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on June 5, 2025.]
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TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
I'M COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK.
UH, TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM, I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
UM, THE VICE CHAIR, UH, JACKSON IS IN, IS IN ROUTE.
COMMISSIONER JONES, PRESENT, UH, COMMISSIONER VEDA.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL WILL BE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER YAP WILL BE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER STAVO WILL BE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT AND ACTING ACTING SECRETARY ROBERT WILLIAMSON PRESENT.
UM, AS PART OF THE THE CHAIR'S REPORT, I'M GONNA READ THE SPEAKER RULES.
UM, THIS MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
MEETINGS START, UH, A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME TO ALLOW HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S FORM BEFORE THE ITEM IS CALLED AND TURN IT IN TO THE STAFF, UH, NEAREST THE FRONT DOOR SPEAKER RULES ARE FOUND ON THE TOP PORTION OF THE SPEAKER SIGN IN FORM ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.
COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAKING ON AN ITEM ARE NOT TIMED.
APPLICANTS HAVE THEIR ALLOTTED TWO MINUTES, UH, TIME AS WELL AS REBUTTALS.
NON APPLICANTS GENERAL SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES OF TIME.
THERE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR A REBUTTAL.
EVEN IF YOU DID NOT USE YOUR FULL TWO MINUTES, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK AGAIN AND TIME CANNOT BE ALLOCATED TO ANOTHER SPEAKER.
UM, AT THIS MEETING, APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES, AND I WOULD ASK THAT APPLICANTS, IF YOU'RE ARE THE APPLICANT, THAT, THAT YOU SPEAK FIRST.
YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED, UH, TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES AS A REBUTTAL.
IN DOING SO, UM, I MAY, I MAY OR ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER MAY CALL ON ANY OF YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UM, OTHER SPEAKERS, OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK.
AND, UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR BOIC AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I'M ROBERT WILLIAMSON, SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FROM OUR REPORT TODAY, I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UH, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE NEW PRESERVATION TRACKER LAUNCHED LAST WEEK ON MONDAY, JUNE 2ND.
THE NEW PRESERVATION TRACKER NOT ONLY BENEFITS APPLICANTS, BUT ALSO IMPROVE SEARCH FUNCTIONS, EFFICIENCY AND SUBMITTALS.
A LINK CAN BE FOUND ON THE HOMEPAGE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE.
NEXT, OUR OFFICE IS ALSO PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTION OF LET'S TALK HOUSTON WEBSITE IS BEING MIGRATED TO THE CITY OF HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEPARTMENT PAGE UNDER HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
OUR LICENSE WITH LET, LET'S TALK, HOUSTON EXPIRES IN AUGUST AND IS NOT BEING RENEWED.
EVERYTHING FROM LET'S TALK HOUSTON'S PAGE IS BEING REFORMATTED AND RELOCATED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HOMEPAGE, INCLUDING THE DRAFT OF THE NOR NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES, A NEW COMMENT SECTION AND A NEW POLL SLASH SURVEY, WHICH IS LIVE UNTIL JULY 5TH.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING THE INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS OF NOR HILL SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND FINALIZE THE DESIGN GUIDELINE PROCESS.
THEN LASTLY, AFTER TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON STAFF PERSON, TAYLOR VALLEY WILL DEPART THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO PURSUE HER INTEREST ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING.
SHE'LL BE, SHE WILL BE MISSED AND WE WISH HER WELL.
IN CLOSING, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON PLANET HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A REPORT FROM THE, UM, FROM THE MAYOR'S LIAISON.
SO WE WILL, UH, NOW PROCEED WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE MAY 8TH, 2025 HAHC MEETING, MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, REVIEW THE MINUTES.
AND IF THERE ARE NO, UM, CORRECTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT.
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CURRY SECONDS.ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM A, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR WEST EDGEMONT DREAM HOME AT 1707 MILFORD STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 9 8.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A AT 1707 MILFORD STREET FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF WESTMONT'S DREAM HOUSE.
THE HOUSE AT 1707 MILFORD IS A TWO STORY BRICK VENEER TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE HOUSE DESIGNED BY THE BON BUILDING AND LUMBER COMPANY FOR A HOUSTON POST DISPATCH NEWSPAPER CONTEST IN 1927.
THIS HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE PROPERTY MEETS CRITERIA ONE, FOUR AND FIVE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA, ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE CURRENT OWNER, LOIS URA, BOUGHT THE HOME WITH HER HUSBAND IN 1978.
THE OWNER IS SEEKING PROTECTED LANDMARK STATUS FOR THE HOUSE TO PRESERVE IT AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE WORK COMPLETED BY THE BONITA BUILDING AND LUMBER COMPANY, AS WELL AS FOR ITS SIGNIFICANCE AS A TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PROTECTED STATUS WOULD ONLY INCLUDE THE MAIN RESIDENCE.
THE DETACHED GARAGE APARTMENT IS CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 1707.
MILFORD WOULD BE THE FIRST IN WEST EDGEMONT.
THE DESIGNATION REPORT WAS RESEARCHED AND WRITTEN BY INGHAM MCGUIRE WITH PRESERVATION.
HOUSTON STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 1707 MILFORD STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 9 8, KNOWN AS WEST EDGEMONT DREAM HOUSE CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, HAM MCGUIRE FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGN UP, UH, WITH, UH, INGA MCGUIRE.
PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND IF YOU COULD RENOUNCE RENOUNCE, UH, YOUR, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, MY NAME IS INGA MCGUIRE HERE WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATION OF 1707 MILFORD STREET BUILT, UM, AS SAID BEFORE BY THE BONITA BUILDING AND LUMBER COMPANY IN 19 27, 17 0 7, MILFORD FEATURES A UNIQUE ORIGIN STORY AS A PRODUCT OF A COLLABORATION WITH THE HOUSTON POST DISPATCH TO GARNER MORE ATTENTION INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST EDGEMONT EDITION.
THE NEWSPAPER COVERED THE CONSTRUCTION OF 1707 MILFORD AND CONDUCTED A NAMING CONTEST CONTEST, WHICH RESULTED IN A LOCAL HOUSTON RESIDENT BESTOWING THE HOUSE WITH A MONIKER, THE DREAM HOME 1707 MILFORD HAS BEEN CONSIDERED A DREAM HOME FOR NUMEROUS FAMILIES SINCE 1927, INCLUDING LONGTIME RESIDENTS, COLONEL ROBERT AND DELILAH GAY, AS WELL AS LOCAL ARCHITECT, UH, JACKSON WISDOM AND HIS WIFE MARGARET.
TINY WISDOM 1707 MILFORD'S TUTOR REVIVAL STYLE HAS LARGELY BEEN UNTOUCHED SINCE CONSTRUCTED WITH ONLY MINIMAL ALTERATIONS THAT DATE THE BEFORE THE 1970S.
THE CURRENT OWNER HAS LOVINGLY CARED FOR THE HOUSE AND PRESERVATION HOUSTON CONCURS THAT THE HOUSE IS WORTHY OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? AND IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION OR A IS THERE A MOTION? UH, JONES WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? SODA? SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM B, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR ALLEN M AND HATTIE GREENHOUSE AT 5 3 1 9 INSTITUTE LANE, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5.
AGAIN, THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM B AT 53 19 INSTITUTE LANE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE ALLEN AND HATTIE GREENHOUSE.
THE HOUSE AT 53 19 INSTITUTE IS A TWO STORY BRICK VENEER COLONIAL REVIVAL RESIDENCE BUILT BY HG FIELDS LUMBER COMPANY CIRCA 1929 IN THE JANE DOOR GARDEN EDITION.
THE PROPERTY MEETS CRITERIA 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
IN MARCH, 1929, THE CITY PERMIT SECTION OF
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THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE DESCRIBES THE PROPERTY AS A NINE ROOM BRICK VENEERED HOUSE WITH A PERMIT PRICED AT $7,500.ARTICLES THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER MONTHS OF 1929 ANNOUNCED THE JANOR GARDENS EDITION AS NEARLY COMPLETE AND ADVERTISED THE HOME AS BEING OPEN FOR INSPECTIONS.
IT WAS AMONG THE FIRST RESIDENTS TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE JANOR GARDEN BY HG FIELDS' LUMBER COMPANY, WHO IS A KEY PLAYER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSTON'S EARLY HIGH END NEIGHBORHOODS SUBDIVISIONS IN THE EARLY TO MID 20TH CENTURY.
BY THE 1930 CENSUS, ALAN M. GREEN AND HIS FAMILY ARE LISTED AS RESIDENTS OF 53 19 INSTITUTE LANE.
THE GREENS OWNED AND OPERATED THE BUSINESS GREEN AND GREEN INC.
AND EXTRACT AND SODA MANUFACTURING COMPANY IN HOUSTON, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1911 BY ALAN'S FATHER JOHN B. GREEN.
OVER THE YEARS, VARIOUS SOCIETAL EVENTS WERE NOTED IN LOCAL NEWSPAPERS ABOUT THE MEMBERS OF THE GREEN FAMILY.
FROM SUMMERTIME LUNCHEONS TO BUFFET SUPPERS.
THE FAMILY WAS REGULARLY MENTIONED AS ATTENDING OR HOSTING SOCIAL GATHERINGS AT THEIR HOME IN JANDOR GARDENS.
ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE EVENTS HELD AT THE HOUSE WAS THE INTIMATE WEDDING CEREMONY OF MS. LIGHT GREEN DAUGHTER OF MR. AND MRS. GREEN TO MR. WALTER ALLEN HOPKINS.
YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GREEN FAMILY ON PAGES THREE THROUGH SIX OF THE STAFF REPORT.
ACCORDING TO CITY DIRECTORIES, THE GREENS CONTINUED TO OCCUPY THE PROPERTY UNTIL 1952.
VARIOUS OTHER RESIDENTS OCCUPIED 53 19 INSTITUTE LANE OVER THE NEXT DECADES, INCLUDING NAMES SUCH AS SKELTON COATES AND BLANTON, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
THE CURRENT OWNERS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2011 AND ARE SEEKING LANDMARK STATUS TO PRESERVE IT.
AS AN EXAMPLE OF WORK COMPLETED BY HG FIELDS IN ONE OF HOUSTON'S EARLY HIGH-END EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS.
IT ALSO HAS SUPPORT BY FOUR NEIGHBORS IN THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS DESIGNATION REPORT WAS RESEARCHED AND WRITTEN BY STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY, WITH ASSISTANCE FROM STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DEION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 53 19 INSTITUTE LANE, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5, KNOWN AS THE ALLEN AND HATTIE GREENHOUSE CHAIR.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP CURRENTLY.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE COMMISSION AGAIN IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND JONES WILL SECOND JONES WILL SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES AND, UM, VICE CHAIR WIER JACKSON IS ALSO HERE IN THE ROOM.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I'M STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ITEMS AND SECTION C SEAT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY BE CONSIDERED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION EX EXCEPT FOR ITEM C ONE AND C TEN SEVEN THREE ONE KEY STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AGREED UPON BY THE APPLICANT AND THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM C3 1 2 2 EAST EAST FIFTH STREET, AN ALTERATION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL E FOUR C 4 12 0 7 2 LANE STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL C 5 1 0 3 4 EAST 14TH STREET, A DEMOLITION OF A DETACHED GARAGE IN NOR HILL.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM C 6 9 1 5 HARVARD STREET ALTERATION WINDOWS IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL C 7 1 1 1 6 2 LANE STREET, ALTERATION OF A PORCH IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL C 8 5 0 8 HARVARD STREET, ALTERATION OF A PORCH IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM C NINE 700 LIN STREET ALTERATION EDITION
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IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.ITEM C 11 5 3 0 BURN STREET ALTERATION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS.
HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITION CONDITIONS.
ITEM C 12 1 1 3 8 WEST FUGATE STREET, A DEMOLITION OF A DETACHED GARAGE IN NOR HILL.
HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM C 13 6 0 9 AVONDALE STREET, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN AVONDALE WEST.
RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM C 14 2 5 1 4 BRENTWOOD DRIVE, ALTERATION EDITION, AND AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
UH, A LANDMARK OF THE MAURICE AND VIRGINIA BROWN LEY HOUSE.
RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL AND ITEM C 15 1 5 2 1 COLUMBIA STREET ALTERATION OF AN ADDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL.
OKAY, UH, I HAVE A CORRECTION.
FOR ITEM C NINE 700 EUCLID STREET.
IT'S A, EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.
IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, NOT AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS THE PREVIOUS ITEMS BE TAKEN UNDER ONE MOTION AND THAT ITEM C ONE AND C 10 BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY.
I'VE GOT, UM, I'LL JUST READ QUICKLY.
ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, AND 15, UH, REMAINING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS TIME, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OF THESE ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PULL FOR IN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I'D LIKE TO PUT YOUR COUCH TO PULL FOUR AND 11.
THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PULL? OKAY, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AT LEAST FOR ITEMS 2, 3, 9 AND 15.
BUT IF YOU ARE HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE REMAINING ITEMS STILL ON CONSENT, AND YOU, UM, DO NOT SUPPORT THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF AND YOU WISH TO HAVE THIS PULLED AND DISCUSS INDIVIDUALLY, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
BUT IT 10 HAS ALREADY BEEN PULLED.
OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS, THE, UH, FINAL CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION IS ITEMS 2 3 5 6 7 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, AND 15.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONSENT LIST AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF CURRY? SO, MS. RHONDA, UM, SEPULVEDA SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE 10.
I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AT CITY HOUSTON.
UH, ITEM C ONE IS AT, UH, 10 COURTLAND AND I'M WAITING FOR MY LAPTOP TO BOOT UP HERE FOR ME.
SO LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THE ITEM.
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THIS FROM LAST MONTH.
THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, A NEW HOUSE IN COURTLAND PLACE, AND IT'S AGAIN AT 10 COURTLAND.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS A TWO SINGLE FAMILY, TWO STORY HOUSE OF 5,407 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND 2,729 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR A TOTAL OF 8,136 SQUARE FEET.
THERE'S ALSO A SEPARATE POOL HOUSE OF 194 SQUARE FEET, A DETACHED GARAGE OF, UH, 1,234 AND COVERED PORCHES AND WALKWAYS.
AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE DESIGN, WE HAVE RECEIVED A WRITTEN COMMENT AND,
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UM, THEY'LL, WE'RE GONNA READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.THEY'VE GOT ABOUT FI UH, FOUR TOTAL THAT WE WANNA READ INTO THE RECORD.
AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT WANNA SPEAK AS WELL.
WE ARE STILL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT.
NOW, LAST, UM, MONTH, SOME QUESTIONS CAME UP AND THOSE HAVE BEEN, I BELIEVE, ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
LET'S, UM, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT COURTLAND PLACE.
THERE'S THE MAP, OF COURSE, UH, YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM LAST MONTH THAT THE NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED AT THIS SITE, AND THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE LOT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH ON PAGE FIVE OF, OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONTEXT PHOTOS.
IF WE COULD JUST GO THROUGH THESE TOGETHER.
I'LL JUST LOOK AT THE SCREEN WITH YOU.
UH, AND JUST LET'S JUST STEP THROUGH THESE.
UH, THERE'S THE FRONT GATE, AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU ENTER, UH, UNDER CORTLAND PLACE, THIS IS INSIDE.
AND, UH, THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HOMES HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THEIR NUMBERS, BUT THIS WILL GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SCALE AS WELL.
AND WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING THROUGH THAT.
RIGHT THERE IS ONE OF THE NEWER HOMES, I THINK IT WAS THE 1990S THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AN IMPORTANT, UH, AN IMPORTANT NOTE IN THIS, UH, AS I'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS YOU CAN EXPERIENCE, IS THERE'S A NICE GAP BETWEEN ALL THESE PROPERTIES AND THERE'S A, A BOULEVARD IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
AND OF COURSE THIS IS A UNIQUE, UM, PROJECT BEING A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF PRETTY UNUSUAL AMONG 20 HOUSES TO, TO BRING ONE NEW IN THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES DATE TO THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
NOW, ON THIS PAGE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING, AND THIS, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED BY COMMISSIONER LAST MONTH AT THE DIAGRAM ABOVE, WHICH WAS SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT.
SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, OUT OF PROPORTION IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT, UH, THEY'VE REVIEWED THAT AND THIS IS THE CURRENT, UM, UH, DRAWING AND I REVIEWED IT AS WELL.
AND IT SEEMS TO ADEQUATELY PORTRAY, PORTRAY THE SITUATION.
YOU'LL FIND THAT THE, THE LOT ITSELF ACTUALLY HAS A, UM, AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS WITH IT FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT.
AND THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE A NEW DRIVEWAY FOR THIS HOUSE.
UM, AND THAT'S, IF THIS IS THE PAGE WITH THE MEASUREMENTS IN IT, THIS IS A-A-G-I-S GROUP, UH, FOR US DID A LITTLE DIAGRAM AND BASICALLY PULLED A STRING OR IF YOU WILL, PULLED, PULLED A MEASURING TAPE BETWEEN THE, UH, STRUCTURES FROM THE FACE OF ONE STRUCTURE TO THE BEGINNING FACE OF ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SPACING, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED ANOTHER DIAGRAM.
IT'S FURTHER ONTO THE REPORT OF THAT, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND IN FACT, THAT THAT'S IT THERE.
SO LET ME GET IT ON MY SCREEN WHERE I CAN SO I CAN, UM, SPEAK TO IT.
I THINK IT'S LOADING SLOWLY, RIGHT? SO THIS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, UM, PAGE THAT THE APPLICANT SUPPLIED BECAUSE I DIDN'T NOTICE BEFORE THAT IN THE LOWER, UH, IMAGE BELOW, I'M SORRY, BELOW THE SATELLITE IMAGE ARE FOUR HOUSES.
THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED HOUSES.
IS THERE, UH, ON THE, IN THE, THE DARKER IMAGE TO THE SECOND FROM THE LEFT, PROPOSED NUMBER 10, BUT IT, IT IS, IS, IS PORTRAYED HERE IN SCALE IN RELATION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND, UH, HE, HE'S SHOWING THE MEASUREMENTS THERE.
YOU CAN ZOOM IN, BUT THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE THE ACCURATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES AS PROPOSED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
NOW THE NEXT PAGE IS A RENDERING OF THE HOUSE, PROPOSED HOUSE IN THE SITE.
THERE'S THREE RENDERINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN THERE'S A RENDERING OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT LINE DRAWINGS OF THE FRONT AND THE EAST AND WEST SIDES AND A SITE PLAN.
AND WE JUST, BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WOULD BE DISCUSSED A LOT, I'VE GOT ALL THE DRAWINGS ATTACHED AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IMPORTANT IN THERE TO COVER THE IPADS KEEPING UP WITH ME.
I WANNA NOTE ON PAGE, IF YOU CAN GET TO PASS ALL THE DRAWINGS, UH, SAM, YOU'LL SEE A, UM, KIND OF AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THERE.
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THIS, I PULLED THIS TOGETHER THIS MORNING, WENT ON HAI, WE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF FIND SOME WAY TO BUILD CONTEXT TO IT.SO THIS IS THE HCAD SHOWING THE 20 HOUSES THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE LOT.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T GUARANTEE THESE NUMBERS.
I PULLED THEM FROM HCA AND, AND DOCUMENTED AND AS WELL AS WAS HELP WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAD, THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT WERE MISSING.
BUT YOU SEE THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE LOT IS 26225.7.
AND THEN THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE PROVIDED BY HCAD FOR THE MAIN HOUSE IS 6022.2.
ON THAT RIGHT COLUMN, I JUST NOTED THAT THERE WERE AUXILIARY BUILDINGS LISTED ON THE HCA AND THOSE ARE THE SIZES OF THEM.
NOW, ON THE NEXT PAGE, AND HE'S HERE TO TODAY TO SPEAK TO THIS, BUT, UH, MR. PARK SUBMITTED THIS DESCRIPTION HERE, AND THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
AND WHAT HE HAS IS THE LOT SIZE AND THEN THE FOOTPRINT, THE FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT AGAIN, I BELIEVE IS BASED IN HCA AND HE HAS THE PERCENTAGE OF IT.
AND THIS WAS, THIS DID CAUSE A LITTLE TREPIDATION IN OUR OFFICE ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND THAT NUMBER 10 IS, UH, AT 5,400, UH, WHICH WOULD BE 21% OF THE TOTAL FOOTPRINT, WHICH WAS, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DRAWINGS TOGETHER AS STAFF AND IN A PRE-APPLICATION DESIGNED REVIEW WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND THE APPLICANTS, WE WERE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE LEC RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A DIAGRAM THAT MR. PARK SUBMITTED, AND I'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN THAT IF HE DOESN'T MIND WHEN HE COMES BACK UP HERE.
NOW I'D LIKE TO JUST GET TO SOME OF THE LETTERS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE.
AND, UM, IF YOU'LL JUST BEAR WITH ME.
SO I WANTED TO START WITH NUMBER ONE IS, AND PLEASE, IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT ME THAT PAT AND MIKE HEIMER NOT HERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO PAT AND MIKE HEIMER NOT HERE, BUT THEY WANTED, UH, TO NOTE THAT, UH, OUR FAMILY IS OWNED AND CHERISHED NUMBER 24 IN COURTLAND PLACE FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.
I'M SORRY, FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO DECADES.
WE RESPECT THE HISTORY AND LINEAGE OF EACH HOUSE AS WELL AS THE STREET AS A WHOLE.
THE ARCHITECTS OF THE STREET WERE NOT JUST MASTERS AT DESIGNING MAGNIFICENT PERIOD HOMES.
THOSE ARCHITECTS WERE CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEELING AS WELL AS IN BEAUTY WITH A UNIQUE COHESIVENESS THAT COURTLAND PLACE HAS BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
UNTIL NOW, THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO REPEAT THE WAYS IN WHICH THE CURRENT PLANS FOR NUMBER 10 COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
OTHER RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN WELL, HOWEVER, ONE WORD COMES TO MIND WHEN WE PICTURE NUMBER 10 AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
FRANKENSTEIN THE ONLY PLACE ON CORTLAND PLACE FOR MARY SHELLEY'S COBBLED TOGETHER.
MONSTER IS A VERY HIGH SPOT ON ONE OF THE LIBRARY SHELVES IN ONE OF THE FINE HOUSES DESIGNED WITH TASTE AND AN INNATE SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HOPE NUMBER 10 CAN BE REDESIGNED WITH A TASTE NECESSARY TO BECOME AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE COURT AND PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND NOW I'M GONNA ASK FOR MY COWORKER, UH, CHARLES TO HELP ME OUT AND JUST READ A COUPLE OF THESE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE A LITTLE.
UH, CHARLES HAS GOT THIS ONE HERE.
THIS LETTER IS FROM KAREN, A TWITCHEL.
DEAR HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS, I LIVE AT NINE CORTLAND PLACE WHERE MY FAMILY HAS LIVED FOR 24 YEARS IN A HISTORIC HOME BUILT IN 1914.
AT THE MOST RECENT MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION, I EXPRESSED MY CONCERN THAT THE PROPOSED HOUSE TO BE BUILT AT 10 CORTLAND PLACE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OTHER OF THE OTHER HOMES ON THE STREET.
AND THEREFORE, OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THIS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT STREET.
I REMAIN OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT PLANS FOR 10 CORTLAND PLACE, WHICH CONTINUE TO CONTEMPLATE BUILDING AN OVERSIZED HOME THAT IS DISPROPORTIONATELY LARGER THAN ANY OTHER HOME ON CORTLAND PLACE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER.
SINCERELY, KAREN, A TWITCHELL NINE CORTLAND PLACE, AND THE NEXT LETTER.
DEAR MEMBERS, THIS IS FROM CHARLES C. FOSTER.
DEAR MEMBERS, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CON COMMENTS BELOW IN CONJUNCTION WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE REGARDING THE APPLICATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 10 CORTLAND PLACE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS THURSDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2025.
IN OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT PLANS, GIVEN ITS UNPRECEDENTED
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SIZE VIS-A-VIS ALL OF THE HISTORIC HOMES ON CORTLAND PLACE, I WRITE ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY AS OWNERS OF SEVEN 17 CORTLAND PLACE, WHICH WE HAVE OWNED AND LIVED IN SINCE 1992.OUR HOME WAS DESIGNED BY WARREN WHITNEY OF NEW YORK, WHO ALSO DESIGNED THE DOWNTOWN ORIGINAL TEXACO BUILDING AND UNION STATION, WHICH WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE BASEBALL STADIUM.
OUR HOME WAS A TEXAS HISTORICAL.
OUR HOME HAS A TEXAS HISTORICAL MARKER AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND THE HOUSTON LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS.
WHILE WE WELCOME A NEW HOME DESIGN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE HISTORIC HOMES ON CORTLAND PLACE, THE CURRENT DESIGN FOR 10 CORTLAND PLACE HAS A PERCENTAGE FOOTPRINT AND RELATIONSHIP TO ITS LOT SIZE OF 21%.
WHILE THE AVERAGE OF ALL OF THE HISTORIC HOMES ON CORTLAND PLACE IS ONLY 8.7%, ALMOST THREE TIMES LARGER, WHICH IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC STREETS IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON, I WOULD URGE THAT THE COMMISSION ONLY APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS FOR 10 CORTLAND PLACE ON THE CONDITION THAT IT BE REDESIGNED SO THAT ITS SIZE IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE HISTORIC HOMES ON CORTLAND PLACE.
YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE COMMENTS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED, SINCERELY.
YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE SEEMS TO PRINT PRESENT SOME NEW INFORMATION, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET 'EM ALL IN THERE AND HAVE ONE FROM A STEVE PUTMAN IN HERE UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M PROBABLY PAST THE COMMENT DEADLINE, WHICH HE WASN'T.
WE CAN READ THESE IN IF WE RECEIVE THEM.
I WANTED TO ECHO CONCERNS FROM SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ON THE PROPOSED PR PLANS.
WOULD, WOULD YOU IDENTIFY THE AUTHOR OF THAT LETTER THAT YOU'RE READING NOW? YES, SIR.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE APPEARS TO BE OUT OF SCALE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE STREET.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE BUILDERS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSES ON THE STREET, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT MY WIFE AND I LIVE IN, SHOWED RESTRAINT WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THOSE HOUSES IN 1912.
MY HOUSE WAS BUILT ON A MUCH, ON A LOT, MUCH LARGER THAN IT IS NOW, AND COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AS A SPRAWLING HOUSE, BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY COULD HAVE BUILT A SPRAWLING HOUSE, BUT THEY DIDN'T.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT THE SAME OF NEW CONSTRUCTIONS.
SO THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM, SO I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND I'LL BEGIN WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, TODD BLITZER, AND IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MATT HEINEMANN.
UH, I WANNA THANK THE, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR TIME TODAY.
UM, TODD BLITZER WITH THE MURDER GROUP OR THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM THAT, UH, DESIGNED THE HOME ON TED CORTLAND AND WE DESIGNED THE HOME AND A FEDERAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE KIND OF HISTORIC NATURE, UH, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT THE HOME WITH REGARDS TO BEING COMPLIANCE AND BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND EVEN AT ONE POINT WE HAD A SECOND STORY GARAGE THERE WHERE THERE WAS A GROUND FLOOR, UH, GARAGE AND SECOND FLOOR APARTMENT.
AND EVEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS, WE, WE REMOVE THAT, THAT GARAGE ON, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO IT'S ONLY A SINGLE STORY GARAGE.
UM, THE WIDTH OF THE HOME AS FAR AS THE SEPARATION, AS FAR AS SCALE WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN, UH, 10 CORTLAND AND, AND NEIGHBORING HOMES.
THE AVERAGE SEPARATION ACROSS ALL THE HOMES IS ABOUT 49.7 FEET.
OUR HOME SEPARATION BET FROM ONE HOME TO THE OTHER, IT RANGES BETWEEN 50.3 FEET ON ONE SIDE AND 59 FEET ON, ON, ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, IN ADDITION, UM, WE'RE LIKE, THERE'S A, A DRIVE, SHARED DRIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO THE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT, AND THAT PUTS OUR HOUSE ABOUT 26 FEET OFF OF THE, UH, THESE PROPERTY LINE REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING OF THE HOME.
UH, OUR, THIS HOME IS 37 FOOT THREE INCHES TALL, THE HOME TO THE WEST OF US, IT'S 37, UH, THE HOME TO THE EAST OF US, THREE, SEVEN FOOT SIX, AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN SIX CORLAND, IT'S, IT'S OVER 38 OR 38 FOOT THREE.
SO HEIGHTWISE, IT'S CONSISTENT WIDTHWISE, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER HOMES.
IN ADDITION, A LOT OF THE, MOST OF THE LARGER HOMES THEY'RE ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN CORTLAND PLACE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL TWO STORIES.
UH, THIS HOME HAD A BULK OF THE HOME IS, IS TWO STORIES, BUT THERE'S A PORTION OF THE HOME THAT'S ONLY A SINGLE STORY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE OTHER RENDERINGS AND SOME OF THE OTHER IMAGES, THAT EVEN THOUGH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MAY BE GREATER, YOU KNOW,
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WHEN IT COMES TO THE MASS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE FORM AND THE STREET AND HOW IT'S ADDRESSES THE STREET AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A PORTION OF THE HOME BEING SINGLE STORY, IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE ONLY A SMALLER PORTION OF THE, UH, UM, HOUSE IS, UH, IS TWO STORIES IN, IN COMPARISON TO SOME OTHER HOMES IN THE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD TO COMPLY WITH THE, UM, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS AND THE, UH, DESIGN, UH, REGULATIONS THAT WERE, UH, THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ISSUED WITH THE, THE SITE ITSELF THAT WERE RECENTLY APPROVED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
AND WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO REALLY DESIGN A HOME THAT WE THOUGHT WAS CONGRUENT AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ONE THAT, UH, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY OF CORTLAND PLACE.
UM, WE ALSO IN THE PAST HAD, UH, DESIGNED THE DESIGN WORK FOR SIX CORTLAND FURTHER TO THE EAST, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, AND WE, WE'VE DONE HISTORIC HOMES, UH, IN THE PAST AND OTHER BUILDINGS, SO THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE SPEAKER? I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY VERSUS THE ONES WE SAW AT THE LAST MEETING, IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DIFFERENT? THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS REDUCED.
UH, THE LAST TIME WE SUBMITTED WE HAD THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK WITH THE FIRST FLOOR GARAGE AND THE SECOND FLOOR STORY APARTMENT.
AND THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS REDUCED.
WE ELIMINATED THE SECOND FLOOR APARTMENT MM-HMM
AND IN ADDITION, WE EVEN MODIFIED THE FACADE, THE EASTERN FACADE, TO BE A LITTLE MORE, UH, CONSISTENT PER FEEDBACK FROM, FROM YOU ALL.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE? IS THAT SMALLER? UH, THE HOME, THE MAIN HOME ITSELF IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT WAS BEFORE AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE.
OKAY, THE NEXT SPEAKER, AS I MENTIONED IS MATT, UM, HEINEMANN TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID.
UH, I LIVE AT 15 COURTLAND PLACE.
UH, AND I WANT, I'LL BE, I'M GONNA BE FAIRLY BRIEF.
UH, I'VE LOOKED AT THE PLANS, I'VE SPENT SOME TIME ACTUALLY TALKING, UH, WITH THE BUILDER.
I COMMEND THEM BY, FOR THE EFFORT THEY'VE MADE TO TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT FITS GENERALLY WITHIN THE CONCEPT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, I THINK THAT ECHOES THE SAME CONCERN YOU'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL OTHER OF OUR, OF OUR, THE RESIDENTS ON THE STREET, WHICH IS THAT THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS SO SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ONCE BUILT, WE'RE CONCERNED.
YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S BUILT, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO WITH IT.
BUT THERE, THERE IS A, A FOOTPRINT THAT IS TWO TIMES THAT OF THE OTHER HOMES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, CERTAINLY FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, UH, FROM THE FRONT, UH, IT'S COVERING MORE OF THE LOT.
IT'S CREATING MORE, MORE SPACE AND, AND LESS GREEN SPACE THAN WE SEE IN A LOT OF, A LOT OF SIMILAR SIZE, UH, IN EVERY ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WE'VE SEEN.
UH, MR. PARK, I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN IN GREATER DETAIL AND PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, THE FOOTPRINTS FOR THE AVERAGE HOUSE ON THE STREET RUNS AT ABOUT, UH, 2,236 SQUARE FEET ON AVERAGE.
UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE BUILDERS NOW IS 5,400 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ALMOST EXACTLY TWO TIMES THAT AMOUNT.
UH, AND SO WE WOULD LIKE, AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER APPROVAL SOLELY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF HOMES, SIMILAR ON THE STREET.
I MEAN, THERE ARE 22 HOMES, UH, ON THE HISTORIC REGISTRY ON OUR STREET.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT, THE SENSIBILITY AROUND THAT AND MAINTAIN SOMETHING THAT'S PROPORTIONAL.
AND SO FROM A PROPORTIONALITY STANDPOINT, WE THINK A, A, A VERY LIVABLE AND, UM, LARGE AND LUXURIOUS HOME CAN BE BUILT WITH A FOOTPRINT IN THE 20 2200 TO 2,500 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT SPACE, UH, WITHOUT OVERWHELMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
THANK YOU, JOHN, ANYTHING? OKAY.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS, UH, DAVID ORMAN, IF I'VE GOT THAT CORRECT.
AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY DR. ROBERT PARK PARKS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME BE HERE.
MY NAME IS DAVID OLDMAN AND I LIVE AT 19 CORTLAND PLACE 19 WAS BUILT BY MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS IN 1913, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW IS BIRDS SALT BRISCOE'S, VERY FIR FIRST RESIDENTIAL DESIGN.
HE WAS A FRIEND OF MY GREAT GRANDDAD'S AND WAS A GROOM MAN IN HIS WEDDING.
UH, WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD IS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT HERE.
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE COMPLETELY AWARE OF, BUT IN CASE YOU'RE NOT, THAT STREET IS NOT ONLY UNIQUE IN HOUSTON, IT'S UNIQUE IN THE STATE, AND IT'S UNIQUE IN THE COUNTRY.
TO HAVE THAT DENSITY OF ARCHITECTURE FROM THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME IS EXTREMELY RARE.
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MOVIES MADE ON THAT STREET BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR EARLY 19 CENTURY HOMES THAT WOULD MAKE GOOD BACKDROPS.WHAT I WOULD ADD, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALONG WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, BUT I'VE LIVED IN TANGLEWOOD AND I WAS ON THE HOMEOWNER'S BOARD THERE AND I DRIVE THROUGH RIVER OAKS.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FACING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IS THE SCALE OF THE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT.
IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT THE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT? THEY'RE TOO BIG.
THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THESE HOUSES ON A RELATIVE BASIS HAD FAR MORE WEALTH THAN ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THAT STREET TODAY.
THEY WERE BUILDING HOUSES THAT WERE ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEY LOOK PROPORTIONAL.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL BY THESE PHOTOS, BUT THEY WERE PROPORTIONAL.
AND, AND IT STRIKES ME IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE BUILT MUCH BIGGER HOMES WERE BUILDING HOMES THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIZE FOR THE LOT.
I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THIS ARCHITECT.
I LOVE THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION.
I REALLY THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME.
WE JUST WANT IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE PROPORTIONAL.
UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DR. ROBERT PARKS, FOLLOWED BY GLENN RUMBLES.
I LIVE AT NUMBER EIGHT CORTLAND PLACE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW MANY CAN I ASK THE COUNCIL? HOW MANY, UM, HAVE BEEN ON COURTLAND PLACE? THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IT'S A VERY SPECIAL STREET AND, UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HISTORICAL COMMISSION COULD DO IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE STREET.
AND, UH, THE PICTURES HAVE BEEN SHOWN, UH, THAT THE HOUSES ARE CENTERED ON THESE LOTS.
UH, AND THEY'RE PROPORTIONATELY GREEN SPACES ON EITHER SIDE.
UH, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE SCALE OF, OF, OF THE NEW PROPERTY, UH, AND THE NEW PROPERTY.
UH, THE, THE DISTANCE, THE 41 FOOT DIFFERENCE, UH, DIS BETWEEN PROPERTIES IS ESSENTIALLY MY, MY SIDE YARD AND A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S SIX FEET OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S BEHIND A FENCE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE PORTIER IS, THERE'S FOUR FEET OF GREEN SPACE.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM 35 FEET AND 25 FEET TO SIX FEET AND FOUR FEET.
AND I DO HAVE THE ONE PICTURE THAT, THAT I, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW DOCUMENT CAMERA.
UM, OH, I'M TURN AROUND THE OTHER WAY.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
AND IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT HOUSE, THERE'S A RED HATCHED AREA THAT IS MY HOUSE SUPERIMPOSED ON THE HOUSE THAT'S BEING BUILT.
SO MY 2200 SQUARE FEET MAIN STRUCTURE, PLUS A SMALL PORCH FIT INTO THAT AT LEAST TWICE.
UM, THE REAL PROBLEM WITH A HOUSE IS, IS THEY'VE ADDED A LIVING QUARTERS, UH, A MASTER SUITE, UH, WITH ALL THE ACURE MOUNTS THAT ARE PRESENT IN MODERN HOUSES AND NOT IN OURS.
THERE'S NOT A HOUSE ON THE STREET THAT HAS A BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR EXCEPT THIS HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S ADDING TO THE FOOTPRINT.
PUT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND PUT AN ELEVATOR IN, IT'LL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS GLENN RUMS OR REYNOLDS.
I'VE LIVED ON CORTLAND PLACE AT 18 FOR 20 YEARS.
MY HOUSE IS ON THE NATIONAL, THE CITY, AND THE STATE OF TEXAS HISTORIC RE REGISTERS.
CORTLAND PLACE IS A UNIQUE COMMUNITY IN HOUSTON.
FIRST IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT'S A PRIVATE STREET, BUT IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE TOGETHER AND MAINTAIN A LEGACY FOR HOUSTON.
FROM THE FOUNDING FAMILIES OF HOUSTON, JAMES BAKKER, NEWHOUSE CARTER, UH, WE SHARE, WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS BY NAME.
WE SHARE MAINTENANCE AND, UH, CONTRACTS FOR REPAIR AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH LIVING IN A HOUSE THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
UM, CORTLAND PLACE HAS NEVER HAD A SPEC HOME BUILT ON IT.
NEVER THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT BUILT HOMES THERE WERE GOING TO LIVE IN IT.
SO THIS CREATES AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD TO FACE.
TYPICALLY, DEVELOPERS WANT TO BUILD AND TO THEIR CREDIT BUILD AS LARGE A HOUSE AS THEY CAN TO MAKE AS MUCH PROFIT AS THEY CAN.
AND WE THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
UH, I THINK IF THIS WERE, AND SOME OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE THE POINT, IF THIS WERE A BUILDING THAT A USER WERE BUILDING, HE'D BUILD A VERY NICE HOUSE, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE QUITE AS LARGE AND CAUSE QUITE THE CONSTERNATION THAT THIS ONE HAS.
UH, I THINK THIS HOUSE WOULD BE FINE IN WEST UNIVERSITY, IT WOULD BE FINE IN RIVER OAKS, IT WOULD BE FINE IN OTHER PLACES,
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BUT IN A PLACE THAT'S TRYING TO MAINTAIN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UH, AND MAINTAIN THAT LEGACY FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON, I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AND GET THIS ONE RIGHT.UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER I SIGNED UP IS GINGER NAPIER.
I'M GINGER NAPIER WIFE OF GLEN REYNOLDS.
WE BOTH LIVED AT THE 18 CORTLAND PLACE FOR 20 ISH YEARS.
AND I ECHO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING.
WHAT'S REALLY NOT CLEAR IN THE PICTURES WITH REGARD TO THIS PIECE OF LAND AT 10 IS THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, THERE IS NOT THE GREEN SPACE THAT ONE EXPECTS, UH, AROUND THESE HOMES AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH.
SO AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN TO THE STREET, YOU WILL SEE A DRIVEWAY, A HOUSE, A BIG GREEN SPACE, A DRIVEWAY, A HOUSE, A GREEN SPACE.
AND, UM, FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
IT, THE HOUSE OVERWHELMS THE LOT AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS ARE SPENDING THINKING ABOUT THIS.
AND, UM, WE JUST THINK THAT IT'S, IT WOULD BE LOVELY JUST SHRUNK DOWN.
I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU, IF YOU'RE STILL IN THE ROOM AND YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE NOT YOURSELF AT THIS TIME, NOT HEARING, I'M GOING TO JUST, UH, MENTION TO MR. BLITZER THAT YOU DO AS THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN HAVE A REBUTTAL IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
JUST TWO POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, TO THE, UH, COMMENT JUST A MOMENT AGO ABOUT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, UH, THERE'S A, AN EASEMENT IN THE DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST ACTUALLY IS FOR THAT NEIGHBOR TO THE, TO THE EAST.
SO THAT NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST, THEY HAVE THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHY IT'S ADJACENT TO, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY ITSELF.
UH, INITIALLY WE HAD THAT ONE DRIVEWAY, AND WITH THE ONE DRIVE WE'RE GONNA SPLIT OFF AND GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND SPLIT OFF AND TAKE CARE OF, UH, THE HOME ON 10 CORTLAND.
AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOA, UH, THEY REQUEST THAT WE NOT DO THAT.
INSTEAD WE FLIP THE WHOLE HOUSE.
I MEAN, IT WAS DESIGNED, WE FLIPPED THE WHOLE HOUSE, BUT THE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE AT THEIR, AT THEIR REQUEST, WHICH, WHICH WE DID.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE HOME BEING LARGER THAN THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW, BUT FROM THE FRONT FACADE, THE MASSING FROM THE FRONT AND THE EXPERIENCE FROM THE PUBLIC WAY, IT'S WELL WITHIN THE PROPORTIONS AND CONGRUENT WITH, UH, THE OTHER HOMES IN THE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, YES, IT'S A BIT DEEPER, BUT AS FAR AS FROM THE FRONT FACADE WITH THE MASSING OF IT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE TWO STORY ELEMENT AND THE ONE STORY ELEMENT, IT'S SIZE WISE, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT.
IN ADDITION, WE DON'T, SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES, THEY HAVE QUA SECOND STORY, SECOND STORIES OVER THE GARAGES WITH APARTMENTS, WHICH INCREASE THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL.
AND ALSO INCREASE THE MASS AND SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES AS WELL, HAVE GREATER AMOUNT OF PAYMENT AND, AND, AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AS WELL WHERE WE'VE MINIMIZED OUR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE, UH, ON THE LOT.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I GUESS HAVE STAFF COME BACK UP.
I'M SURE THERE'S LIKELY SOME QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION OF STAFF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE BIG CONVERSATION HAPPENING AMONGST THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO DO WITH WHEN, WHAT, WHAT ONE MIGHT CALL MEASURABLE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND PROPORTION.
MASSING IS THE, THE CONSISTENT, UH, CONVERSATION POINT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S TRUE.
NO MEASURABLE STANDARDS EXIST HERE.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST APPLY THE CRITERIA OR WE'RE, WE ARE TASKED WITH TRYING TO APPLY THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE.
UH, AND SO THAT'S THE BACK ON PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT.
IF WE CAN GO TO PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND AGAIN, WE HAD SOME TREPIDATION WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, THE NUMBERS, UH, WHICH WE DID A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THIS MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE SUPPLIED THE EXCEL SHEET.
AND I COULD SEE WHERE, UH, THE COMMISSION MIGHT CONSIDER, UH, WHAT'S BEING TAKEN, WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, COMMISSIONED MEMBERS OF ROMAN, ROMAN, MR. YOUR COUCH? DID, DID THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE HOUSE ITSELF SINCE FROM, FROM THIS MEETING? I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY BEFORE.
THE ONLY THING THEY CHANGED WAS THE GARAGE APARTMENT.
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IS THAT RIGHT? THE ARCHITECT SAID THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE LEFT ELEVATION.THE, THE EAST SAY SOMETHING, THE EAST ELEVATION THAT'S CLOSED.
WELL, BUT THAT QUESTION, SO AS FAR AS I'M KNOW, I DIDN'T NOTICE A DIFFERENCE, BUT I, BUT THE ARCHITECT SPOKE AND SAID THAT THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION WAS SLIGHTLY CHANGED FROM LAST MONTH.
SEPULVEDA HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE.
UM, HAS, DO WE HAVE, IS THIS THE NEWEST, UM, RENDITION? YES.
AND IS THERE A REASON, WHAT IS THE REASON WHY IT HAS TO BE BUILT TO THE SCALE AND NOT CONGRUENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? WHY ARE WE LOSING SO MUCH SPACE, GREEN SPACE? WELL, IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET.
SO, WELL, THIS SPACE, THIS CON THIS CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE IN HOUSTON WHERE BUILDERS WILL BUILD OUT AND, UH, NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE TRADITION OF THIS, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I FIND THAT RELATIVELY DISTASTEFUL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? HAVE THEY, SORRY, COMMISSIONER JACKSON ROMAN HAS, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUILDER, THE ARCHITECT, HAVE THEY EXPRESSED ANY WILLINGNESS TO REDUCE THE SIZE? WELL, TO, IN, IN THEIR DEFENSE, WE, WE MET PRELIMINARILY WITH THEM.
AND WE REVIEWED THE DESIGN AND I DON'T THINK WE ARDENTLY OPPOSED OF IT AT THE TIME.
WHAT, AND SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY PUSHED BACK TREMENDOUSLY.
BUT WE DID HAVE THAT PREVIOUS MEETING AND, AND WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, THE COURTLAND, UH, HOA IF, IF, AND, AND IT WAS MY ACTUALLY ON MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR IT OFFICIALLY FROM THE HOA, THOUGH I HAD, I NEVER OFFICIALLY RECEIVED THAT.
AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REMOVING THE SECOND STORY OF THE GARAGE.
MAY I ASK WHO? YOU, YOU SPOKE OF A MEETING.
WHO, WHO, WHO DID EXACTLY, DID YOU MEET WITH? I DON'T, NOT THE NAMES.
JUST WHO, WHO WERE THE, WHO WAS REPRESENTED AT THE MEETING? OH, UH, THE PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEW, THE ARCHITECT AND I THINK THE, UH, THE OWNER, I KNOW THE ARCHITECT WAS IN IT.
WE WERE, WE WERE ON A VIRTUAL MEETING AND UH, COMMISSIONER HICK WAS THERE.
SO I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER, THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT A CIVIC ASSOCIATION DESIGN REVIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AM I IMAGINING THAT CORRECTLY? REMEMBERING THAT? I THINK YOU ARE.
AND, AND SO I, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE.
I, UH, MULTIPLE EMAILS TRIED TO GET WHAT, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM A REVIEW, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
I APOLOGIZE IF IT EXISTS, BUT I WENT THROUGH MY EMAILS MULTIPLE TIMES AND EMAILED ASKING FOR THAT FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND I HAVE IT ON MY PHONE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT NOW.
APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE, SO THE, THE, THE OWNER'S HERE OF THE PROPERTY AND HE SAYS THAT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE GARAGE APARTMENT.
THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSIONS OR, SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY'VE, THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL CHANGES.
'CAUSE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEM TO BE THE SAME AS LAST MONTH.
SO I, I I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY MADE THAT MUCH OF AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
WELL, WELL, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO TALK LIKE THAT IF THEY'RE NOT AT THE PODIUM? YEAH, WE NEED TO HEAD THE QUORUM.
WE, WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
UM, I MEAN, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS THE, UM, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY DR. PARKS THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON HCA, UM, FOR THESE TWO STORY HOMES ALSO INCLUDES A, A BASEMENT ELEMENT, WHICH IS SORT OF A SERVICE AND OR AREA AND FUNCTION AND NOT REALLY LIVABLE SPACE, BUT THEY'RE, NONETHELESS IT IS, THEY'RE TAXED FOR IT.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE INITIAL COMPARISON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO DO WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OVERALL HOUSE LISTING ON HCA, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, WHICH FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH, WHICH WAS HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, COVERAGE FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE INITIAL REVIEW WHEN WE DID THIS, UH, THE PRECURSORY MEETING.
SO THE, THE PRIMARY, I THINK DISCUSSION POINT, IT STILL REMAINS, IT'S, UM, WITHOUT MEASURABLE STANDARDS, IT'S STILL THE PROPORTIONS AND, AND RELATIONSHIP TO, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES IN,
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IN, ON THE STREET, ON, ON THE BLOCK FACE.SO THAT'S SORT, I THINK THAT'S STILL SORT OF WHAT, THAT'S WHY THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DEFERRED AND WHY IT'S BACK HERE FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
IT, IT'S NOT THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE PER SE, IT'S THE OVERALL SIZE AND MASSING RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL SIZE AND MASSING OF THE HOMES THAT ARE AROUND IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WHERE WE'RE CAUGHT IN, IN THE CONVERSATION.
AND WHAT I KEEP HEARING FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORS, WELL, I MEAN IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY REDUCED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
'CAUSE THESE PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM WERE THERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND THEY SAID THE SAME THINGS THAT MEETING, THEY DO THIS MEETING.
SO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT THEIR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND TO COMMISSION, I MEAN, OUR, I THINK WE'VE DEFERRED ONE TIME THAT THIS PROJECT, SO THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME CAN BE DEFERRED ONE ADDITIONAL TIME OR IT CAN BE VOTED UP OR DOWN.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS REALLY WHAT, WHAT YOUR VOTE TODAY IS ABOUT.
WELL, I THINK IT SHOULD BE DEFERRED.
IS THAT A MOTION? I'LL, I'LL MAKE THAT A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT TO COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? SO THAT MOTION PASSES, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT, AGAIN, WHAT I'M HEARING FOR FROM THE COMMISSION IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME MOVEMENT, UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A PRETTY LARGE, UM, RESPONSE FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS.
ARE WE READY FOR ITEM TWO? WE, WELL ITEM FOUR.
ITEM TWO, THIS IS ROMAN MCALLEN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER CITY HOUSTON, I'M SORRY, ITEM FOUR C FOUR IS 12 0 7 2 LANE.
AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON A NON, WHAT WAS A NON-CONTRIBUTING LOT.
UH, WHAT WAS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL.
THE NEW HOUSE IS TWO STORY WITH A DETACHED GARAGE APARTMENT OF 528 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT 528 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE APARTMENT IS BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
THE HOUSE PROPOSED IS 3038 SQUARE FEET.
IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND SPEAKING OF THAT, JUST IN CASE THE FAR ALWAYS COMES UP, UH, ON THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO, WHICH IS ON PAGE THREE OF 16, THE, UH, THE HOU AGAIN, THE LOT IS 7,260 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE MAXIMUM FAR ALLOWED WOULD BE 3049.
SO THIS PROPOSAL IS 11 SQUARE FEET UNDER THAT.
THIS IS IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT PER THE MAP.
WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN WAS THE, UH, BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THERE'S A, HERE'S SOME CONTEXT.
UH, THERE'S THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT.
IT'S JUST AN ORIGINAL SMALL BUNGALOW ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT, IT'S A TWO STORY CIRCA 2006 HOUSE NON-CONTRIBUTING, UH, ACROSS THE STREET DIAGONALLY, UH, TO THE SOUTH IS A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE WITH A TWO STORY ADDITION AND DIAGONALLY TO THE NORTH.
ON THE NEXT PAGE, THERE'S A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE WITH ANOTHER TWO STORY ADDITION.
AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
NOW, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IN THE NEXT IMAGE, THERE'S ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING HOMES THAT ARE TWO STORY ON THE STREET AND THEN DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE TO THE NORTH AT 12 12 2 LANE.
THERE ARE, THERE'S THE STRUCTURE ABOVE, AND THAT IS AN OLD GOOGLE IMAGE BACK IN TIME BECAUSE THE TREES WERE TOO, UH, TOO BIG TO SEE IT.
AND THEN BELOW THAT LARGER STRUCTURE AT 1, 2, 3, 4, 2 LANE IS A CONTRIBUTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS IN THE NEXT, UH, ELEMENT.
THERE IS THE TWO STORY HOME THAT'S PROPOSED WITH, UH, UH, IS IT WITH THE DETAILING THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE DETAILING THAT'S COMMONLY SEEN IN THE CONTEXT AREA IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
AND THEN THE ROOF PLANS AND FLOOR PLANS, AND THEN JUST A STANDARD WINDOW DOCUMENT THAT WE KEEP IN THERE TO MAKE SURE
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OUR WINDOWS ARE INSTALLED IN TO FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.MY ONLY COMMENT WAS THE DETAILING IS A LITTLE BIT TOO LITERAL FOR ME FOR MY TASTE.
AND SINCE IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, I THINK OTHERS SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF SIMPLIFICATION.
LIKE THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE ONE OVER ONE INSTEAD OF THAT PRAIRIE STYLE WINDOW.
AND THE, THE PORCH POSTS SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED AND MAYBE THE RAFTER TAILS SIMPLIFIED.
BUT, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK IT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE WAS FOR THAT.
'CAUSE I, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE A ACTUAL HISTORIC HOUSE AND NOT A NEW HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WELL I'M GOING TO, WELL I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYONE SIGNED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT I WANNA GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY, SO AT THIS TIME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, IT IS HERE AS SAM G NEWCO.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK.
SO SAM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE RENOU ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND, UH, SAM UC IS CREOLE DESIGN.
UM, WE CAN MAKE 'EM ONE OVER ONE, NO PROBLEM.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE COLUMNS AS THEY ARE BECAUSE I THINK THEY LOOK REALLY NICE WITH THAT HOUSE.
AND THEN THE RAFTER TAILS, IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE RAFTER TAILS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
WELL, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR SPIRIT OF COOPERATION, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO SIMPLIFY THE PORCH POST SOMEHOW.
SO MAYBE LIKE, LIKE A SQUARE COLUMN INSTEAD OF THE TAPERED ONE ON TOP OF THE BRICK PIER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO JUST DO A SQUARE ON TOP OF THE BRICK PIER.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE BRICK PIER? YES.
AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING DETAILS, WHAT YOU SAID, GET RID OF THE RAP TAILS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? UH, PUTTING A ONE BY, UH, EIGHT FASCIA BOARD ACROSS THE FACE OF IT.
WE DON'T WANNA DUMB IT DOWN TOO MUCH.
WE GOTTA SELL IT OR MY CLIENT DOES.
I WAS GONNA ASK IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO STEP UP, NOT HEARING ANYONE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT IT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT IT HAS.
ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, UM, NO RAFTER TAILS THAT ARE VISIBLE AND SIMPLIFIED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? MOTION PASSES.
OKAY, TERRANCE, PLEASE PROCEED.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR PER CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM C 10 AT 2 4 7 WEST WEST 16TH STREET.
A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST SUBDIVISION.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING 1027 SQUARE FEET, ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, SITUATED ON A 6,800 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT.
THE CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW WAS BUILT CIRCA 1920.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE CONTRIBUTING ONE STORY HOME.
THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED AS AN ADDITION WITH THE DETACHED GARAGE, BUT BASED ON THE DRAWINGS AS SUBMITTED, STAFF USED THE GARAGE AS ATTACHED AT THE SECOND FLOOR.
AL ALSO, THERE WAS NO APPLICATION FOR A COA FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION CONSISTING OF 700 SQUARE FEET, 750 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ADDITION 1,250 SQUARE FEET AT THE SECOND FLOOR, AND A 501 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE AS SUBMITTED.
THE EXISTING ONE 17 SIDING IS TO, IS TO REMAIN AND REPAIR AS NEEDED.
THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE TO, TO REMAIN IN REPAIR AS NEEDED.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL FOUR INCH CEMENT PETITION, SIDING AT THE ADDITION AND CONSTRUCT THE NEW ROOF WITH BOTH A SIX OVER 12 AND A SEVEN OVER 12 ROOF PITCH.
THEY ALSO PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE ROOF WITH A MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT OF 29 FEET, ONE INCH AND 20 FEET AT THE MAXIMUM EVE, UH, CONSTRUCT WITH IT SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITH A SIDE PORCH OF 27 FEET AND SEVEN INCHES BY SEVEN FEET AND FIVE INCHES WITH CONDITIONED SPACE
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ABOVE, AND A REAR BREEZEWAY OF 27 FEET, SIX INCHES BY FIVE FEET, 10 INCHES.ALSO WITH CONDITIONED SPACE ABOVE.
THEY WILL CONSTRUCT THE ADDITION WITH BRACES AND VENT TO MATCH THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITH A DETACHED GARAGE.
THE TOTAL, WITH A DETACHED GARAGE, THE TOTAL SQUARE FEET IS 2,992.
IF VIEWS AT, IF VIEWED AS A DETACHED GARAGE, THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE 3,483, WHICH WOULD BE OVER FAR.
STAFF RECOMMENDS A DENIAL OF THE COA CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE ONLY THE OWNER, TRACY BEWARE IS HERE TO SPEAK AND THE AGENT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AS THE APPLICANT, TRACY AIRE, FOLLOWED BY ANNA DEIA.
HI, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
AND, UH, IT WAS A DELIGHT TO SEE ALL THESE, UH, HISTORIC HOUSTONIANS HERE.
UM, MY FAMILY, UH, WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING FAMILIES OF GALVESTON AND HOUSTON.
THE MOODY MANSION, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF, WAS WILLIS MANSION BEFORE THE MOODY'S PURCHASED IT.
AND, UH, THAT WAS MY GREAT-GREAT GRANDPARENTS.
SO THAT WAS PRETTY EXCITING TO HEAR ALL THIS FUN STUFF.
UM, I ENJOY RESTORING HOUSES IN THE HEIGHTS AND, UH, I LOVE HISTORIC HOMES.
I DO IT IN OTHER TOWNS ACROSS THE US, EXCUSE ME, ACROSS TEXAS.
UM, THIS HOUSE, UM, WE'VE USED THE SAME, UH, SAME PLAN ON THREE OTHER HOMES, AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
UM, THE GARAGE IS DISCONNECTED ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UH, IT IS, THERE IS, IT IS CONNECTED ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTABLE.
AND NOW IT SEEMS THAT IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE, WE'VE USED THAT SAME DESIGN THREE TIMES PRIOR, OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
SO, UM, IF WE DON'T PROCEED THIS IN THIS DIRECTION, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO BUILD OUT OVER THE EXISTING ON THE BACK ONE THIRD.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT IS FROWNED UPON BECAUSE THEY WANT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE, UM, UNADULTERATED, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UH, THERE IS A BREEZEWAY BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE EXISTING TO ACCOMMODATE NOT BUILDING OUT OVER THE EXISTING.
SO, UM, NOW WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT, WELL, WE WOULD RESUBMIT AND BUILD OUT OVER THE EXISTING, SO, UH, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED THREE TIMES PRIOR, AT LEAST.
AND I DO HAVE A SECOND SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IF NEEDED.
UH, SHE, SHE'S AVAIL AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
SO I'LL KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR A MOMENT.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CHIEF, THE, THE SPEAKER OR, OR, UM, THE OTHER RESOURCES HERE? THE PAUL HAS A QUESTION.
FOR STAFF, ARE THERE, AND DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT SHE IS REFERRING TO THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY, BY COMMISSION? MA'AM? I, I SURE DON'T.
AND CAN WE, COULD WE PUT THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE UP, UM, ON THAT SCREEN JUST WELL AS WELL WHILE WE'RE DELIBERATING? UM, LIKE THE PROPOSED DESIGN PERHAPS, OR JUST CYCLE THROUGH SOME SLOWLY.
WELL, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN, UM, ARE THERE OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO TH THIS JUST TO CLARIFY, GOES OVER THE FAR YES, SIR.
AS WRITTEN IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY IN THE INTERPRETATION OF WHATEVER THE LAYOUT OF THIS FLOOR PLAN IS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND TURNS, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S CONNECTED TO THE GARAGE ON THE SECOND STORY? YES, SIR.
AND IF THE GARAGE, IF THE, IF THE STRUCTURE WAS NOT CONNECTED WITH AIR CONDITIONED SPACE OR SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, WALKWAY OR DECK OR SOMETHING, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE OVER THE FAR IN THAT INSTANCE? UM, WELL, I THINK THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POLICY THAT, THAT WE'VE, UH, THAT WE'VE CREATED BASED ON, UH, PORCHES AND THE SIZE OF THOSE PORCHES.
UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SEE, WE, WE HAVE OVER 27 FEET OF PORCH AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF SIT STAFF'S STANCE ON THAT WAS
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TO LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU GUYS AS FAR AS HOW YOU VIEWED THAT, BECAUSE IT IS AT THE REAR.BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW THE HHC VIEWS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, UH, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE LEFT THAT OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION FOR YOU GUYS.
BUT THE, THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS THAT IT'S ATTACHED NONETHELESS, CORRECT? UM, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND THEREFORE THE, IT'S THE FAR IS CALCULATED AS AN, AS AN ATTACHMENT.
AND, AND IF IT'S, IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO NOT VIEW THIS AS AN ATTACHED GARAGE, THEN IT WILL MEET FAR.
BUT AGAIN, STAFF WANTED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE WERE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 591 SQUARE FEET OF PORCH AND BREEZEWAY WITH CONDITION SPACE OVER THEM.
AND THEN WE HAVE, WHICH, AND THAT DOESN'T, SO THE 3,483 SQUARE FEET DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT, UH, 591 SQUARE FEET OF PORCH AND BREEZEWAY AND THE, THE, THE PORCHES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HOW DEEP ARE THOSE PORCHES? UH, SO BOTH, SO THE PORCH IS 27 FEET BY SEVEN INCHES, UH, 27 FEET AND SEVEN INCHES BY SEVEN FEET AND FIVE INCHES.
THE BREEZEWAY IS 27 FEET, SIX INCHES BY FIVE FEET, 10 INCHES.
MA QUESTION? UH, YES, MR. SEPULVEDA, UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE A, A DRAWING OF THE, DO WE HAVE THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE? THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 1027.
AND, AND SO TO FINISH ANSWERING YOUR INITIAL QUESTION, COMMISSIONER HICK, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF, LIKE YOU GUYS HAS TRIED TO, TRIED TO STEP AWAY FROM, FROM DESIGNING THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, WELL STAFF FEELS THAT IF EVERYTHING WAS TO MOVE TO SHIFT TOWARDS THE FRONT JUST A BIT, AND THEN, I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD BE FINE WITH CONSTITUENT SPACE OVER THE BREEZEWAY.
IT'S JUST, IF EVERYTHING COMES OFF OF THE GARAGE, THEN I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'D BE, IT APPEARS TO BE A DETACHED GARAGE AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT CHANGING THE DESIGN? NO.
UM, WELL IT, IT, IT WAS CLEAR WHEN SPEAKING WITH THE AGENT THAT THIS IS, THEY WANTED TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS AND, AND THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT TO DO SO AND, AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND SEE HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO REVISIT THE DESIGN AND THEN WE DEFER IT AND THEN COME BACK NEXT MONTH? I'LL, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMISSIONER COUCH CAN ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ISN'T GONNA MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES BY SOME MEASURABLE STANDARDS, WHICH, WHICH ARE BLACK AND WHITE.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO REVISE THE DESIGN AND COME BACK AND WE DEFER IT OR, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE DENY YOU HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
WHAT WOULD I NEED TO REVISE? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
SO YOU COULD TALK TO THE STAFF AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW YOU COULD MEET THE GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE THERE'S PUBLISHED DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO.
IT HAS ALWAYS, WE'VE REUSED THIS DESIGN.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE, SO IT'S CHANGED, I GUESS.
SO IT HAS GOTTEN STRICTER SINCE THEN.
OH NO, WE'VE HAD SOME, WE'VE HAD APPROVAL SINCE THEN, BUT, WELL, IT'S ALWAYS JUST FOR YOUR, IT, IT, IT ALSO RELATES TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
RIGHT? THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LARGEST LOT WE'VE DEALT WITH.
IT'S, THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
UM, ONE THING WE DID DO, UM, ALONG THE BACK IS, UM, MAKE MORE PARKING AREA BEHIND THE GARAGE.
UH, AND, AND SO, SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT, BUT I ASKED A, A QUESTION IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF TO REVISE THE DESIGN SO THAT IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE THEN WE COULD DEFER IT AND THEN LET YOU WORK WITH THAT.
NOW I'LL CLOSE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? THE POLL, BUT A SECOND.
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OKAY.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM.
GOOD AFTERNOON, PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC.
AGAIN, THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRENCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM C 11 AT 5 3 0 BURN A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 5,667 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 14,000 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT.
THE CONTRIBUTING CRAFTMAN STYLE RESIDENCE WAS BUILT CIRCA 1912 AND A CONTRIBUTING AND A CONTRIBUTING TOUCH GARAGE WAS LATER BUILT.
THE HOME IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE RURAL PAINTER HOUSE AND IS A STAPLE IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT'S ALTERATION IS AN INTERIOR REMODEL, WHICH PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH MOST OF THE INTERIOR WALLS ON THE NON, MOST OF THE INTERIOR WALLS AND NON-ORIGINAL BALCONIES DEMOLISHED THE NON-ORIGINAL SCREEN PORCH AT THE EAST REMODELED THE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH AREA.
AT THE REAR, REMOVE WINDOWS AT THE WEST WALL TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE SHOWER.
SEE PAGE 14 AND REMOVE TWO PREVIOUSLY RE RELOCATED HISTORIC WINDOWS IN THE NON-ORIGINAL ADDITION TO THE WEST WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOME.
ALSO SEE PAGE 14 ALSO CONSISTS OF REMOVAL OF THE NON-ORIGINAL GABLE AND WINDOWS AT THE WEST ELEVATION.
REMODEL THE NON-ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND PORCH REMOVE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND REPLACE WITH APPROPRIATE WOOD CLAD DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION OF THE HOME.
IN ADDITION, ALL ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE TO REMAIN AND BE REPAIRED AS NEEDED.
THE NON-ORIGINAL SECOND FLOOR BALCONY TO BE REMOVED AND THE WINDOW TO BE RELOCATED TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL DOOR.
SEE PAGE 15 AND THE FRONT DOOR AND PORCH DOOR TO THE EAST TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A COA WITH CONDITIONS.
THE CONDITIONS ARE AS FOLLOWED, THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS AT THE WEST ELEVATION.
AND THE TWO SETS OF WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT OF THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS ARE TO REMAIN IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS.
REMOVAL OF THE DOOR AT THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY ALLOW, BUT THE WINDOW IS NOT TO BE INSTALLED IN ITS PLACE.
ALL DOORS IN THE CONTRIBUTING ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND OR INSTALLATION CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE AGENT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP AS YOU, AS YOU ALLUDED TO.
UM, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, I PULLED IT, I'LL TELL YOU WHY I PULLED IT.
MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT REAL QUICK.
SO THE ONLY REASON I PULLED THIS IS THE WINDOW PATTERN, I THINK SHOULD BE ONE OVER ONE IN THE ADDITION INSTEAD OF THIS NINE OVER ONE OR 12 OVER ONE, WHATEVER THAT IS.
UM, AND WE SEE THAT ON THE ORIGINAL EDITION, HOW THEY HAVE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
SO I I I THINK COPYING THE HISTORIC WINDOWS IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THE EDITION.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ASK THEM TO DO IS SWITCH THOSE TO ONE OVER ONE SECOND.
WELL, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND THE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UH, CYNTHIA FANTI, IF, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND LET US KNOW YOUR NAMES FOR THE RECORD AND, AND WHAT YOUR AND YOUR RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER COUCH.
I'M YES, ARDI AND WE'RE SENDING, UH, NADIA PAL RESIDENTIAL DESIGN OFFICE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT, UM, WE ARE OKAY WITH, UM, JUST KEEPING THAT ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ON THE DOUBLE HUNG.
BUT, UM, THE ORIGINAL PARTS OF THE WINDOW ALSO HAS SOME THAT IS 1 1 1 TO ONE.
SO, UM, WE JUST LIKE THE, THE LIGHT DIVISIONS ON THE ORIGINAL SET THAT WE THOUGHT COULD BE, UM, A NICER ELEVATIONS ON THE OVERALL FEEL OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT YEAH, UH, AS I SAID IN THE BUTLER'S PANTRY, THAT WAS ORIGINAL SET OF THE WINDOW.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIGHT DIVISIONS AS WELL.
SO IF THE COMMISSION ASKS US TO REMOVE ALL THE LIGHT AS
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ONE-TO-ONE, THAT'S OKAY TOO WITH US.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UM, PLEASE THING.
UM, IN THE DEMO PLAN THAT WE HAVE FROM AN OLD DRAWING SET FROM 1993, UM, WHERE THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW CURRENTLY IS, IT USED TO BE A DOOR.
SO THAT WAS A LATER ADDITION THAT WAS NEVER IN THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE WINDOW.
UM, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE CONCERN THAT, UM, CHANGING THAT STAINED GLASS WINDOW IS REMOVING PART OF THE HISTORIC PARTS OF THE HOUSE.
BUT, UM, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE DEMO PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THERE'S A STEP OF STAIRS THAT LEADS TO A DOOR ON THAT SIDE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S A ARGUMENT FOR THAT.
YEAH, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF TO TRY TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT, THAT ASPECT.
CAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW AND IT'S WHETHER OR NOT IT IS HISTORIC OR NOT HISTORIC FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? YEAH, SO IT, THE DRAWINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED, UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S ON ONE OF THE PAGES THAT, UM, YEAH, UH, WE HAVE THEM HERE.
I THINK THIS LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, HISTORY DETECTIVES EPISODE
I'M, I'M NAIA CIOS, I'M THE ARCHITECT AND YES, THANK YOU.
MY STUDIO DIRECTOR, THE CLIENT ABSOLUTELY HATES THAT STAINED GLASS WINDOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PLEASE OUR CLIENT AND THE WOOD BELOW THE WINDOW IS NEW SINCE IT WAS A DOOR.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP THE HEADER HEIGHT SO THAT WE DON'T REMOVE ANY WOOD ABOVE, IF THAT WOULD PLEASE YOU.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE CLIENT REALLY WANTS IT GONE AND IT'S, IT DID NOT BELONG IN THE HOUSE.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW.
AND I'LL JUST ADD, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF WE CAN DETERMINE THIS AT THIS TIME, BUT IF THERE WERE A MOTION THAT ALLOWED STAFF TO PARSE OUT THIS ISSUE, IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY RESOLVED AFTER THE COMMISSION.
SO I JUST HAD TO EXPLAIN THIS TO THEM.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL THE DRAWINGS THAT I'VE SEEN OR THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED ARE FROM LIKE 1993 OR 1998.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS BECAUSE IF YOU GO ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, THAT IS WHERE A CURRENT STAIRCASE IS AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS THAT IT WAS A DOOR IN 1912.
SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY STAFF BELIEVED THAT IT WAS ALWAYS A WINDOW.
IT MAY HAVE CHANGED TO A DOOR SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OUTER STAIRCASE THERE THAT GOT PUT THERE.
KIND OF LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, UM, ON THE STAFF REPORT THERE, THERE WOULD BEEN, THERE WERE OUTER STAIRCASES PUT EVERYWHERE.
THERE WERE OUTER BALCONIES PUT EVERYWHERE ON THIS THING.
WHEN I WENT TO THE HOUSE AND LOOKED ON THE INSIDE AND LOOKED ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE TO SHOW ME THAT THERE WAS A DOOR PREVIOUSLY THERE AS FAR AS OF 1912.
SO THAT'S WHY STAFF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT SAYS OTHERWISE, STAFF WILL BE ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY FINE WITH THEM CHANGING THAT WINDOW.
AND THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MODIFIED MANY
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TIMES.I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE A MOTION JUST WHY ARE WE ASKING THEM TO RETAIN THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS? YEAH, I KNOW, BUT IF THEY'RE, I MEAN, I DOUBT THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL TO THAT HOUSE, RIGHT? I I I DO TOO.
BUT THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, SO HERE'S THE THING, IT'S, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH AS STAFF.
WE WERE GOING TO HAVE WINDOWS MOVED FROM ONE LOCATION AND PUT THERE IN THE ACTUAL HISTORIC HOME.
SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S KIND OF FROWNED UPON WHERE WE'RE MOVING A WINDOW AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE HISTORIC PORTION.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, THE HISTORIC HOME IS NOT THAT BIG.
SO PROBABLY LESS THAN HALF OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A 5,600 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTING.
SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF HISTORIC MATERIAL BEING DAMAGED.
EVEN THOUGH I'LL GIVE IT TO THIS ARCHITECT, THEY WEREN'T DOING MUCH OF ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR.
STAFF IS ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH MOVING A DOOR.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BIGGER THAN THE WINDOW THAT'S THERE.
THE OPENING IS GONNA BE BIGGER THAT'S THERE NOW.
BUT IF THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THE STAIN GLASS WINDOW AND JUST KEEP THE OPENING THE SAME SURE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING IT'S LIKE IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH THEM REPLACING IT, BUT NOT MOVING.
AS LONG AS IT OPEN, NOT A WINDOW DOESN'T BE BIGGER LIKE CHA AS LONG AS IT FITS IN THE OPENING, IT'S FINE.
SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE MOTION
WELL WHAT WAS, YOU HAD SOME EXTRA MOTION.
SO THE REASON I PULLED IT TO BEGIN WITH WAS I WANTED THEM TO MAKE ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION ONE OVER ONE INSTEAD OF 12 OVER ONE OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.
AND THEY HAVE, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS, AND THEY, AND THEIR ONLY ASK IS ABOUT THE STAIN GLASS WINDOW.
SO WE'LL ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE NEW WINDOWS IN THE NON-ORIGINAL HOUSE BE ONE OVER ONE AND THAT THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS CAN BE REMOVED.
THE OPENINGS THERE REMAIN SAME CURRENT OPENINGS MUST BE REMAIN.
SO IS THAT, SO THAT'S THE MOTION.
AND, AND SO I'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WHICH.
AND COUCH SECONDS BEFORE THE VOTE.
COULD, CAN WE STILL SPEAK TO STAFF AT THIS? ABSOLUTELY.
THIS MOMENT IN DISCUSSION? UH, MR. JACKSON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD? NOPE.
AND I, I GUESS I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF THEY DO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THE STAFF TO MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT CALL AT THAT POINT.
THERE ARE NO COUNTY PHOTOS OF THIS HOUSE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, REGARDLESS IF, IF THEY CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE, OFTEN THINGS HAPPEN AS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING COULD BE RESOLVED IN THE FUTURE, BUT ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE.
ALL, UH, ALL AGAINST, UH, ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION PASSES, KIM, IF WE STAYED IN, UH, LEGAL IN OUR, IN OUR STATE ON, IN OUR, OKAY.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM D COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'M NOT HEARING ANY APP, UH, WILLING TAKERS FOR THAT.
I'M, WE'LL START WITH COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC AND I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UM, I'M GONNA ENJOY MY NEXT, UH, UH, EVENT THIS EVENING, WHICH, UM, IS A PRESENTATION BY, UH, OUR VICE CHAIR, OW JACKSON ON THE ASTRO AT THE, FOR THE, UH, UH, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCE COMMITTEE AT AI USEIN, UH, LOCATED AT THE ARCHITECTURE CENTER, USEIN FOUNDATION, UH, LOCATION ON COMMERCE STREET.
UM, AND I WOULD WELCOME HER TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, THAT SHE MIGHT CHOOSE TO SAY ABOUT THANK YOU.
UM, YES, I WOULD INVITE, UM, I THINK THERE ARE MAYBE ONE OR TWO TICKETS LEFT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ASAM AND THEN FOCUS ON THE, UM, THE CURRENT STATE AND, AND, UH, UH, QUESTION OF, OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT NEXT.
SO IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, COME JOIN US.
ANYONE, OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS QUESTION? YES.
UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE MEETING, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NOR HILL, SO, SO C CAN WE GO OVER THE STATUS OF THAT REAL QUICK? JUST, I, I DON'T THINK I QUITE UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID.
TERRENCE, DO YOU WANNA COULD, I DIDN'T HEAR THE WHOLE QUESTION.
I HEARD NO, AL GOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
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UP.SO CAN YOU, I I JUST ASKED LIKE WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE STATUS NOW? 'CAUSE I HEARD THAT THERE WAS COMMENTS, BUT NOW THEY'RE REDOING COMMENTS OR SOMETHING.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? OKAY, SO, SO THE CITY OF HOUSTON, UH, NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THE SURVEY HAS THIS, THE RESURVEY HAS BEEN MAILED OUT ON MAY 28TH.
UM, THE SURVEY WILL END ON JULY 5TH, AND THEN WE WILL PICK UP FROM THERE, LOOK AT THE COMMENTS AND START MAKING EDITS IF NECESSARY TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND WE SHOULD BE PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS SHORTLY AFTER THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT A HARD TIMELINE ON IT, BUT KIM'S LOOKING AT YOU 'CAUSE THAT AT LEAST DID GO TO LEGAL.
I WAS KIND OF SAYING HA HA HA.
SO WE'VE LOST A LOT OF ATTORNEYS IN OUR SECTION, AS YOU MAY HAVE KNOWN OR FIGURED OUT BY MY ABSENCE THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO, UM, WE ARE WORKING ON REHIRING.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, BUT YEAH.
AND, AND WE WILL WORK TO GET THOSE DONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN, I KNOW OUT THERE FOR, FOR A WHILE.
WHY, WHY ARE THEY BEING RESURVEY? YEAH.
WHY IS THIS PART OF THE, THE ORDINANCE OR REQUIREMENTS? NO, NO.
UM, SO AS, I MEAN, I BELIEVE I STATED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE LIKE WE SAID, WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION, A NEW DIRECTOR, AND THEY WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE PROPERLY AND YOU KNOW, SO WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND ABIDE BY WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING AND JUST MADE A SMALL, A FEW SMALL CHANGES, ADDED A FEW QUESTIONS, A FEW EDITS TO THE EXISTING QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, THEY'VE BEEN SENT OUT AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE RESPONSES NOW.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, PLEASE.
FOR ME? UH, NO, JUST IN GENERAL.
SO MAYBE, WELL WHAT TODAY BROUGHT, EMPHASIZED THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THE TWO EMPTY POSITIONS FILLED SINCE WE STRUGGLED TO MEET QUORUM SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER WHEN EVERYONE'S GONE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON NEW, UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS APPLICATION OR ACCEPTANCE OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS? UH, ACTUALLY THERE HAS BEEN, WE'VE MET, UH, THIS MORNING WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE MAYOR'S, UM, HEAD OF, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO DISCUSS THAT SAME TOPIC.
SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON A LIST OF, UH, ADDITIONAL MEMBERS FOR THIS COMMISSION.
SO, BUT THERE'S NOT A TIMELINE OR ANYTHING.
UH, SHE SAID PROBABLY THE EARLIEST WOULD TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
SO THAT'S A FEW THINGS IN FRONT, BUT NOT TOO LONG.
BUT IT'S KIND OF FRONT AND CENTER FOR THE SUMMER.
'CAUSE COMMISSIONER COMMS WENT OFF THE BOARD FOR A WHILE NOW, YEAR, SO WE NEED TWO.
DUBOSE, I MIGHT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT DUBOSE AND CALL FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM F, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REPORT.
I DON'T FEEL GREAT TODAY, SO I'M GONNA SAY NO REPORT
THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO.
WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN REAL QUICK.
JUST I DO WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR ABSENCES.
THE LAST TWO MONTHS I WAS AT A CONFERENCE AND, UM, THOUGHT ANOTHER ATTORNEY WAS COMING BACK, BUT, UM, UM, SHE WAS ALSO UNAVAILABLE THAT DAY.
AND THE LEGISLATURE, IF YOU ALL HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THIS, THIS TIME AROUND, IT WAS ESPECIALLY, UM, THERE WERE A, A VERY HIGH NUMBER OF BILLS AFFECTING MUNICIPAL, UM, EFFORTS IN LAND DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR.
AND REALLY JUST TOOK A LOT OF MY TIME, I THINK INDIVIDUALLY IN MY SECTION.
WE LOOKED AT, UM, ABOUT 400 AND SOME ODD BILLS AND I HAD 110 OF THOSE FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIFICALLY THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE HOUSING, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE, UH, TRANSPORTATION THAT INCLUDED JUST THINGS THAT AFFECT YOU GUYS AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
FORTUNATELY I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD SESSION BECAUSE, UM, MOST OF THE BA REALLY BAD BILLS DIED IN COMMITTEE OR DIDN'T MAKE IT OFF OF THE FLOOR.
THERE'S STILL SOME DAMAGE TO PROBABLY UNWIND, BUT, UM, WE'LL SIFT THROUGH THE ASHES AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE.
SO THINGS SHOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL, KNOCK ON WOOD.
SO I GUESS IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? PARDON? IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE IN TERMS OF OUTCOMES.
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COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.YEAH, THE 88 SESSION WAS, WAS TOUGHER REALLY.
UM, THERE WAS ONE REALLY BAD HISTORIC PRESERVATION BILL THAT JUST WOULD'VE DONE AWAY WITH THE PROGRAM BASICALLY TO DOVETAIL ON.
APOLOGIES, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENCE AT, UH, AT THIS COMMISSION.
UH, I WORK FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY STRONGLY AFFECTED BY THIS, A LOT OF THE CUTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY LOST OVER 40% OF OUR, OUR STAFF AND THAT'S, AND IT IS TRAGIC.
AND THESE ARE LEGACY PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE HAD TO CUT.
ONE FINAL COMMENT, IF YOU HAVEN'T
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE DONE HERE ON THE STATE LEVEL, THE INTERIM IS ALWAYS A GOOD TIME TO TALK TO YOUR LOCAL FOLKS.
OKAY, WELL, FOUR 13, WE ARE ADJOURNED.