* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on May 8, 2025.] [00:00:14] EIGHTH, 2025. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL ENC CIRCLE COMMISSION. HAHC IS CALLED A ORDER. I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL, UH, CALL THE ROLE, UH, THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. UM, THE VICE CHAIR WILL BE ABSENT. COMMISSIONER JONES IS CURRENTLY ABSENT. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CURRY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YAP WILL BE ABSENT. COMMISSIONER STAAVA PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT AND PLANNING, DIRECTOR OF TRAN PRESENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE CHAIR'S REPORT AND I'M JUST GOING TO, UM, READ THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, SLIGHTLY, UM, UH, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE GUIDELINES THAT'S IN THE, UH, PUBLIC PACKET. I'M JUST GONNA READ THEM OUT IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THEM. UM, UH, THE PUBLIC IS ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND MEETINGS AND TAKE AN ACTIVE INTEREST IN MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION. HAHC. THE COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURAL RULES ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. ONE. ALL COMMENTS SUBMITTED IN WRITING OR BY PHONE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA OR PUT ON THE RECORD BY STAFF. TWO, IF A SPEAKER WISHES TO DISCUSS ANY SUBJECT NOT OTHERWISE ON THE AGENDA, TIME IS ALLOWED UNDER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, SECTION AT THE END OF OUR MEETINGS. UM, AFTER ALL THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN HEARD, THREE. APPLICANTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FIRST AND ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES FOR AN OPENING PRESENTATION. THE APPLICATION IS ALSO, I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PERMITTED A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. AFTER ALL SPEAKERS HAVE BEEN HEARD. IF THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT, THERE IS NO REBUTTAL PERIOD. ALL OTHER SPEAKERS WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR TWO MINUTES. FOR NO SPEAKER IS PERMITTED TO ACCUMULATE SPEAKING TIME FROM ANOTHER PERSON. TIME DEVOTED TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION IS NOT CHARGED AGAINST ALLOTTED SPEAKING TIME. THE COMMISSION MAY CHANGE THE SPEAKER THE SPEAKING TIME IF WARRANTED. THE COMMISSION RESERVE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO LIMIT SPEAKERS IF IT IS IN THE COMMISSION'S JUDGMENT THAT AN ISSUE HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY DISCUSSED AND ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ARE REPETITIVE OR IF SPEAKERS DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ESTABLISHED DECORUM, UH, BEGINNING MAY 6TH, 2024 AND THEREAFTER, AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW THIS, THIS IS NOT AN OPTION TO SPEAK REMOTELY. THE MEETINGS CAN BE VIEWED ON THE HTV HOUSTON MUNICIPAL CHANNEL AND THE HTV WEBSITE. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS. I AM VON TRAN, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT COMMISSIONERS IN HONOR OF MAY BEING PRESERVATION MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE AN EXCITING DEVELOPMENT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN HOUSTON. AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH, NATIONAL SEARCH PRESERVATION, HOUSTON HAS SELECTED A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. JENNIFER CAPRA WAS CHOSEN AND SHE IS HERE TODAY. AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO YIELD SOME TI SOME OF MY TIME TO ALLOW JENNIFER CAPAL TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE COMMISSION. MS. CAPAL, WELCOME MIC. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR THAT WARM WELCOME. UH, MY NAME IS JENNIFER CAPITAL, UH, AND I AM THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR HERE AT PRESERVATION HOUSTON. I'VE BEEN IN HOUSTON FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. I CAME HERE IN 2005 THROUGH THE TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM, AND I TAUGHT ALL THROUGHOUT HISD AND WAS A VICE PRINCIPAL FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS. AND THEN I'VE SPENT, UH, THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IN NONPROFITS, UH, MOST RECENTLY AT ASIA SOCIETY, TEXAS, DOING, UH, FUNDRAISING, EDUCATION PROGRAMMING, A LOT OF ASIAN AMERICAN HISTORY AND RESOURCES THERE. AND I'VE LOVED HISTORY. I LOVED HOUSTON AND THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE HERE FROM THE MOMENT I ARRIVED. SO I'M JUST VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND LEARN MORE FROM THE WONDERFUL STAFF AT PRESERVATION HOUSTON, OUR BOARD MEMBERS, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, OUR SUPPORTERS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, SO I [00:05:01] GUESS I JUST HAVE TO DO CLOSING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT, UH, OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT FOR TODAY. SO THE NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE APRIL 10TH, 2025 HAHC MEETING, MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ACCEPTANCE, UM, OF THE MINUTES BY MOTION? I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? STAVO SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM A, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE VOLTE DISON HOUSE AT 1505 ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE VALENTI DISON HOUSE AT 1505 ALAMO STREET. THE HOUSE CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC FIRST WARD NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST WARD DEVELOPED AS A WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S ONE OF THE FOUR ORIGINAL WARDS CREATED BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON IN 1840. THE HIGH FIRST WARD HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 2014, BUT 1505 ALAMO IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES. THE DWELLING WAS BUILT IN 1924 BY JACOB VALENTI, GRANDFATHER OF FORMER PRESIDENTIAL AID JACK VAL, AND WAS USED AS A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR THE MAJORITY OF HIS LIFE. THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY NUMBERED 1507 ALAMO, BUT WAS REPLANTED AND CHANGED TO 1505 ALAMO IN 2021. THE VALENTINE FAMILY SOLD 1505 ALAMO AND NEIGHBORING 1507 ALAMO TO D DISON, THE OLDEST SURVIVING DAUGHTER OF CATTLE AND LUMBERMAN JULIUS SET AGAST IN 1934. THE HOUSES REMAINED IN THE DISON FAMILY UNTIL 2021 WHEN THEY WERE PURCHASED BY FW HERITAGE LLC, WHO COMPLETED A REHABILITATION OF BOTH HOMES. THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2023 AND IS SEEKING PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO PRESERVE ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING HISTORIC HOMES ON THE STREET TO ENSURE IT REMAINS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPERTY MEETS CRITERIA ONE, THREE AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN CRITERIA ONE AND TWO FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HHC RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE VALENTI DISON HOUSE AT 1505 ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. THE NOMINATION WAS PRODUCED BY DAVID BUTZ WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND THE REPORT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF MEMBER KARA QUIGLEY. EMILY ARWIN FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION OF BOTH ITEM A AND B. SHE'S ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK, COULD WE ALSO HEAR THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM B SINCE THEY ARE SIMILAR AND THAT WE MIGHT, WE MAY VOTE SEPARATELY, BUT JUST SO WE CAN I CAN DO THAT PROCESS ALONG. ALRIGHT. WELL, I ALSO SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM B FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF BOUNTY DEON HOUSE AT 1507 ALAMO STREET. THE HOUSE CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A ONE STORY WOOD FRAME CROSSMAN BUNGALOW LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC FIRST WARD NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IS NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1921 BY JACOB VALENTI AND HAS BEEN USED AS A RENTAL PROPERTY SINCE THEN. THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY NUMBERED 1509 ALAMO, BUT WAS REPLANTED AND CHANGED TO 1507 ALAMO IN 2021. A NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM TENANTS OCCUPIED THE HOUSE AFTER ITS CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THE RESTAURANT NICK VOIZ AND HIS FAMILY MOVED INTO THE HOME AROUND 1936. THEY WERE ONE OF SEVERAL GREEK FAMILIES THAT MOVED TO THE 1500 BLOCK OF ALAMO IN THE 1930S AND FORMED A SMALL COMMUNITY OF GREEK IMMIGRANTS THERE. THE VOIZ FAMILY REMAINED TENANTS UNTIL 1944. IN 1934, THE VALENTI FAMILY SOLD THE PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT HOUSE. 1505 ALAMO TO D DISON. BOTH DWELLINGS REMAINED IN THE DISON FAMILY UNTIL 2021 WHEN THEY WERE SOLD TO FW HERITAGE LLC, WHO CARRIED OUT THE REHABILITATION OF BOTH HOMES AND RECEIVED A PRESERVATION HOUSTON GOOD BRICK AWARD FOR BOTH PROJECTS. THE PROPERTY MEETS CRITERIA ONE, THREE, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA ONE AND TWO FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HHC [00:10:01] RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL, THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE VALENTI DIS HOUSE AT 1507 ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. THE NOMINATION WAS PRODUCED BY DAVID PUTZ AND EMILY ARWIN WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND THE REPORT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF MEMBER KARA QUIGLEY. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH ITEMS, UM, AT 1505 ALAMO STREET AND 1507 ALAMO STREET. GIVEN THEY ARE, UH, VERY SIMILAR PROPERTIES AND, UM, UH, HAVE A CONNECTION. UM, I KNOW EMILY IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, BUT DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING OR? YES. SO IF YOU CAN RESTATE YOUR, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. HI, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M EMILY WAN WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON. UM, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATIONS OF BOTH 1505 AND 1507 ALAMO STREET. THESE TWO HOUSES WERE BUILT IN THE EARLY 1920S BY JACOB VALENTI, A SICILIAN IMMIGRANT. UM, AND BECAUSE THE HOUSES WERE RENTAL PROPERTIES, THEY HOUSED SEVERAL FAMILIES OVER THEIR LIFETIMES, INCLUDING GREEK AND SICILIAN IMMIGRANTS AND EMPLOYEES OF HOUSTON INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS HINKY AND PILO, FOLEY'S DRY GOODS, AND PHOENIX DAIRY. THEY'RE EXCELLENT EXAMPLES OF 1920S VERNACULAR HOUSING IN HOUSTON. AND BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO HOUSTON AVENUE, THEY'RE PROMINENT AND VISIBLE REMINDERS OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BOTH HOUSES HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFULLY REHABBED WITH SENSITIVE ADDITIONS AND BOTH HAVE NEW OWNERS WHO CHERISH THEIR HISTORY. UM, WE CERTAINLY THINK THEY'RE WORTHY OF PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THESE TWO ITEMS? ARE WE NOT HEARING ANYONE ELSE? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR IS THERE A MOTION? UM, AND AGAIN, I, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR BOTH ITEMS A AND B. UH, CURRY MOVES TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOTH ITEMS A AND B AND WISHES THAT DOMINATE THE APP WAS HERE FOR THE VOTE TODAY. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? ESTA A SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THOSE MOTIONS PASS. AND WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS, UH, AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. THANK YOU CHAIR. SORRY FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY HERE. WE WERE TRYING TO CHECK ON SOMEONE WHO SHOULD BE IN ATTENDANCE. UH, LET ME SAY THAT, UM, LEMME PULL THIS UP FOR YOU. SORRY. THIS TEXT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS IN THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I'M ROMAN MCALLEN AND I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. STAFF RECOMMENDS ALL OF THE ITEMS IN SECTION C ON OUR AGENDA TODAY FOR TO BE CONSIDERED PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION EXCEPT FOR ITEMS C ONE, C 11, C 13 AND C 14. AND SO TO GO THROUGH THE ONES WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT THEY BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER, THEY WOULD BE ITEM C 2 33 95 DEL MONTE STREET, A LANDMARK FOR WINDOWS, AND THAT'S FOR APPROVAL. AND ITEM C3 36 20 NOR HILL BOULEVARD, AN ADDITION IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 4 46 20 NOR HILL BOULEVARD AND ALTERATION OF THE GARAGE AND NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 5 7 1 9 HIGHLAND STREET, AN ADDITION IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 6 11 20 WEST TEMPLE STREET, THE DEMOLITION OF A GARAGE IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 7 11 20 WEST TEMPLE STREET, A NEW CARPORT, ACTUALLY NOT A NEW GARAGE, BUT A CARPORT IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 8 4 0 4 AVONDALE RESTORATION WITH AN ADDITION IN AVONDALE, WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C 9 1 1 1 FUGATE THE GARAGE DEMOLITION IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM C TEN ONE, ONE ONE, ONE F GATE, A NEW GARAGE IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. AND ITEM C 12, 6 0 9 AVONDALE STREET. IT'S A NEW GARAGE IN AVONDALE WEST FOR DEFERRAL PER APPLICANT. UH, ACTUALLY NO, JUST A TECHNICALITY THERE. WE NEED TO REQUEST DEFERRAL. SO AGAIN, WE RECOMMEND THAT THOSE ITEMS BE TAKEN AND CONSIDERED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION EXCEPT FOR C 1 11, 13 AND 14. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, ROMAN. I'M GONNA FIRST ASK COMMISSION MEMBERS IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS INDIVIDUALLY. [00:15:03] MR. STAAVA HAS A A COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO PULL, UH, NUMBER EIGHT. 4 0 4 DALE. OKAY. ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOT HEARING AT THIS TIME? I'M GONNA JUST OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON, UM, ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 OR 12, AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE THAT PROJECT DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY. UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT I, I HAVE ONLY ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR, UH, TWO OF THESE ITEMS, BUT THEY ARE SUPPORTING OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, SO NOT HEARING ANYONE ELSE. I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ROMAN, I'LL, I'LL RESTATE THE CONSENT BY NUMBER. UM, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER 6, 7, 9, 10 AND 12. AND, UH, THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSION MEMBERS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE STAFF'S REVISED CONSENT AGENDA LIST AND THE RECOMMENDED, UM, UH, ACTIONS BY FROM STAFF FOR, FOR THE, THEIR SUGGESTED, UM, COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT STATUS RECOMMENDATION ON THE AFOREMENTIONED ITEMS. OKAY, AND I LIKELY SECONDS, LIKELY SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS THAT CONSENT? THIS PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON ROMAN FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. 10 COURTLAND GOOD A NOON AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS ROMAN MCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. THIS ITEM IS FOR AN A LOT, A 10 COURTLAND PLACE IN THE COURTLAND PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE SIGNIFICANCE IS THAT THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1906 AND IT WAS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 1980. THE SITE HERE LOCALLY IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR AFF REPORT. AND IF WE CAN GO FORWARD, UH, WE'LL GET TO A INVENTORY PHOTO RIGHT THERE. NOW, IT, IT'S A, UM, A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT THE NATIONAL REGISTERED, UM, DISTRICT ACTUALLY HAD THIS AS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY BUILT BUILDING BUILT IN 1938. AND, UH, OUR INVENTORY WAS CORRECT WITH 1938, BUT IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING. AND SO THE HOUSE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED AND THERE'S A PHOTO DOWN THE LINE OF THE LOT. SO THE MOVING ON TO WHAT WE HAVE IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION ON PAGE ON THE NEXT PAGE OR WHERE IS OUR CRITERIA? ONE BACK, I THINK. AND WE WE'RE GONNA END UP RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, JUST SO YOU KNOW. BUT LET'S GO THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THE IMAGES. UM, ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE TWO PAGES DOWN PLEASE, WE HAVE THE EMPTY LOT OR THREE, I GUESS IT IS, OR FOUR. SORRY, I'M MOVING QUICK. THAT'S THE LOT THERE AS SEEN YESTERDAY. AND, UM, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, WE GOT SOME, WE HAVE SOME CONTEXT PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS IS, UH, COURTLAND PLACE NUMBER EIGHT. THIS WILL BE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, UH, TO THIS PROPERTY. AND I'VE ADDED SOME NUMBERS HERE, UH, THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT BELOW EACH IMAGE, JUST I'VE WENT TO HCA. SO WE HAVE THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EIGHT COURTLAND PLACES, 8,300 ON 22,000 SQUARE FOOT OF LAND NUMBER 14 COURTLAND PLACE, WHICH I THINK ONE PAGE UP IS, UH, ANOTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, 8,600 ON 22,000 SQUARE FOOT OF LAND. AND SO NOW IF WE'LL GO FORWARD, A COUPLE OF MORE IMAGES THERE OF, OF NEARBY PROPERTIES. YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE MAJESTY OF THIS STREET. UH, IF WE GO DOWN TO A COUPLE PAGES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A OVERHEAD SATELLITE IMAGE OF THE LOT WITH A RENDERING THERE IN THE BLUE BOX OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE. AND IN THE NEXT PAGE WE HAVE TWO RENDERINGS DEPICTING THE HOME IN ITS CONTEXT, THE PROPOSED HOME IN ITS CONTEXT. NOW, ON THE NEXT PAGE WE HAVE A, UH, RENDERING OF THE FRONT ELEVATION AND OF A SECTION OF THE BACKYARD, WHICH Y'ALL ALL KNOW WE WOULDN'T REGULATE. IT'S GOT SOME LANDSCAPING THERE. NOW, UH, THE NEXT PAGE IS AN, UH, AN INSPIRATION BOARD PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO LET'S GO TO THE LINE DRAWINGS AND [00:20:01] THE NEXT PAGE, UH, THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION. THE UPPER IMAGE IS WITHOUT DETAILS AND THE LOWER IMAGE WITH DETAILS. AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TODAY AND CAN SPEAK TO YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, IS THE ARCHITECT HERE TODAY? NO, BUT THE OWNER IS THE OWNER. OKAY, SO THE OWNER. AND, UM, SO LET'S GO THROUGH TO THE NEXT, THE EAST ELEVATION, PLEASE. THIS WOULD BE THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE NEXT PAGE AND THE REAR ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE. AND SINCE THE OWNERS HERE, HE CAN CLARIFY, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THE DOCUMENT, THESE DRAWINGS SHOW THAT THIS IS A PROPOSED TO BE A 13,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, 13,400 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A REAR TWO STORY, UH, DWELLING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE UP FOR DISCUSSION LATER, BUT THE OWNER CAN SPEAK TO THAT. LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. UH, YOU GOT YOUR FLOOR PLANS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGES AS WELL AS A, UM, IMAGE OF THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING IN THE BACK, THE GARAGE, APARTMENT IN THE BACK, AND YOUR WINDOW SCHEDULE. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE IF WE CAN GET TO THE NEXT COLOR PHOTO DOWN THERE. LOOK, WE ALL DON'T GET OUT TO COURTLAND PLACE MUCH, AND THAT GATE'S KIND OF INTIMIDATING, BUT AS INSPECTOR STOCKTON SHOWED ME, YOU CAN JUST PULL UP TO THE GATE AND UH, IT'LL OPEN FOR YOU. SO I DID THAT YESTERDAY. I HAVE AN EVENING. SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T HAVE THESE BY ADDRESS, BUT THERE'S ONLY 20, 23 HOUSES. SO IF WE JUST PLEASE GO TAKE A MINUTE OR A FEW SECONDS ON EACH SLIDE, YOU CAN GET, UH, AN IDEA WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WE WILL, UM, WE'LL SEE. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REALLY LARGE LOTS AND, UH, BIG HOMES AND WE COULD JUST GO THROUGH. YEAH, JUST TAKE A FEW SECONDS ON EACH SIDE, SAMANTHA, THAT'S ALL. JUST, AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH. I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE SOME CONTEXT, UH, FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FRANKLY, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE GOT. WE'RE READY. AND THEN THE DRAWING SET, UM, THERE'S SOME DEED INFORMATION IN THERE THAT I DIDN'T MEAN TO GIVE YOU, BUT THERE IT IS. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ROMAN. UH, I THINK I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST SO WE CAN HEAR. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP. UM, AND I GUESS I WOULD INVITE THE OWNER TO COME FIRST. I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A FORM, UH, FILLED OUT, BUT IF THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT OR YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE END. I MEAN, I CAN, I ACTUALLY WASN'T AWARE THIS WAS HAPPENING UNTIL JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, SO I HAD TO COME UP HERE AND TOTALLY UNPREPARED. UH, BUT WE, BUT WELL, I UNDERSTAND. AND IF YOU COULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND JUST RESTATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD. CHARLES CHAPMAN. I'M THE OWNER OF TIM CORTLAND. WE, UM, KNEW THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF NUMBER SIX BEFORE HE SOLD THE HOUSE TO THE CURRENT OWNER, FELL IN LOVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOUND THAT HE ALSO OWNED NUMBER 10. HE, UM, HAD INTENDED TO DEVELOP IT HAD SOME CHANGES IN HIS LIFE. HIM AND HIS FAMILY MOVED TO BRENHAM, SO I BOUGHT THE LOT FROM HIM. WE, UM, WILL BE LIKELY THE ONLY PEOPLE TO EVER BUILD A NEW HOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE HAVE STUCK VERY TRUE TO THE DESIGN OF A HISTORIC HOME THAT IS BUILT IN 2025. SO IT'S, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS, IS PERIOD, EVEN DOWN TO THE SHUTTERS. LITERALLY IT IS A PERIOD HOME BUILT IN 2025 WITH TODAY'S NEW CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU, SIR, THERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE? IS IT, I MEAN, THEY SAID, SO HE HAD MENTIONED THAT 13,000, IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY 9,000 AND SOME CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WITH, WITH THE COR QUARTERS IN THE, OKAY. CORRECT. SO THE, THE LIVING QUARTERS IN THE GARAGE ARE ACTUALLY 1300 SQUARE FEET. THE HOA HAD CHANGED THE RULES NINE OR 10 MONTHS AGO WHILE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS WHERE YOU CANNOT HAVE LIVING QUARTERS WITHIN 36 OR WITHIN THREE FEET OF A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THOSE. WE CAN GO BACK IN FOR A REVISION THAT'S GONNA BE GONE. WE WILL NOT HAVE THE LIVING QUARTERS WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET OUR PERMIT AND GET STARTED. UH, IT'LL JUST BE THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT WITHOUT THE LIVING QUARTERS OVER THE GARAGE. SO IT'S ABOUT 9,000. CORRECT. OKAY, PERFECT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. WE'RE HERE. ME TOO. IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. OKAY. I DO HAVE, UM, THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. AND I'LL START WITH THE FIRST THAT I HAVE. UM, KAREN TWITCHELL, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE FOR THE RECORDING. MY NAME IS KAREN TWITCHELL AND I LIVE AT NINE CORTLAND PLACE. I REALLY, UH, HAVE, UH, TWO POINTS. ONE IS THE HOUSE IS VERY SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OTHER HOUSE ON THE STREET. UM, [00:25:02] SO IT, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, DOESN'T FIT THE LOOK. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS OUR HOA HAS AN ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH HAS LOOKED AT THIS BUT HAS NOT FINALIZED THEIR REPORT. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER NOT TAKING A VOTE TODAY, GIVEN THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS NOT GOTTEN BACK TO THE OWNER ABOUT ANY ISSUES, IF ANY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS GINGER NAPIER. SO GINGER NAPIER. UH, I AM ALSO A HOMEOWNER ON, UH, 20 COURTLAND PLACE. THAT'S JOHN TRUE. I'M 18 COURTLAND PLACE, AND I APPRECIATE ROLAND SCROLLING THROUGH THE PICTURES BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE NOTICED HOUSES IN THE CENTER OF NICE LOTS, A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. UM, THE HOUSE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANYTHING ELSE ON THE STREET. REMOVES ALMOST ALL SIDE YARDS AND TAKES UP MOST OF THE BACKYARD. UM, SO I'M PERSONALLY OPPOSED TO IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S TOO BIG. UH, IT DOESN'T FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON. UH, SECONDLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR VARIANCES FROM THE BOARD AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE FRANKLY QUITE READY TO ASK FOR A MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTION FROM CURRY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BY VARIANCES, UH, FROM THE BOARD, IS THAT, DOES THAT MEAN THE HOA, UH, RESPONSE TO WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED? IT IS, UH, THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, WE WILL, WE WILL INVITE ANY OF AND ALL OF YOU BACK, UH, UH, IF NEEDED. I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM, WHICH IS ROBERT PARKS. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK IN THE MEETING. MY NAME IS ROBERT PARK. UH, I LIVE AT NUMBER, UH, EIGHT COURTLAND PLACE, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, SITE OF THE THE NEW HOUSE. UM, THOSE OF YOU ARE OR MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH PORTLAND PLACE. IT'S PROBABLY THE OLDEST CONTINUOUS RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT'S BEEN RESERVED IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON OUT FOR 125 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST SPEC HOUSE THAT'S EVER BEEN BUILT ON COURTLAND PLACE. EVERY THEIR HOUSE HAS BEEN BUILT ON COURTLAND PLACE. THAT ONE WAS BUILT ON A TENNIS COURT. ONE WAS BUILT ON SORT OF AN ODD PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE GOT WHEN THE LOOP CAME IN OR, OR THE SPUR CAME IN. UM, A SPEC HOUSE IS A, HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF TER OF, OF, OF INCENTIVES FOR THE STREET THAN THOSE OF US THAT LIVE ON THIS STREET. UM, I, UH, ECHO, UM, MY PREVIOUS SPEAKER IN THAT MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE SET IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT. UH, THE SH THE PICTURES ARE SHOWN HERE, DON'T REALLY GET THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LITERALLY STRETCHES FROM EAST TO WEST TO MAXIMUM POINT OF BUILDING WHERE THAT BUILDING CAN GO. SO IT FILLS THE LOT EAST TO WEST. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEADS COMPARED TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES, IT EXTENDS BACK FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER HOUSE ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. SO THE HOUSE FOOTPRINT IS CONSIDERABLY LARGER BY PROBABLY 40% THAN ANY EXISTING HOUSE NOW. UH, I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDER'S ISSUES IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE DEAL, BUT PUTTING A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON NOT THE FULL LOT, UH, PRESSES THE LOT IN TERMS OF THAT SIZE. UM, AGAIN, WE ALL THAT LIVE ON CORTLAND PLACE, WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE HOA AND WE APPROVE OUR BOARD HAVING ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND I AGAIN, WOULD ASK TO DEFER FINAL DECISION ON THAT ARCHITECTURAL BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC AND HAS NOT SIGNED UP? OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND LET'S SEE WHAT DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT [00:30:01] COMMISSION HAS FOR STAFF. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. COUCH. UH, TO ME THE DETAILING IS REALLY LITERAL. LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BUILT IN 1920 OR 1915. AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED RATHER THAN LITERALLY COPYING THE HISTORIC DETAIL OF THE OTHER HOUSES OR OTHER HOUSES OF THIS TIME PERIOD. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. WE, WE, WE, UH, WE DISCUSSED THAT PRETTY EXTENSIVELY AND IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE LANGUAGE, UH, ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. I'LL TRY TO GET UP AS FAST AS I CAN HERE. WHERE'S THAT REPORT? IT'S ON THIS MACHINE, SORRY. OKAY. AND IT'S ALSO GONNA BE UP, BE UP THERE. SO THAT LANGUAGE, SORRY, I HAVE MANAGED TO GET IN THE WRONG PLACE ON THAT. THE LANGUAGE THERE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS NOTHING IN THE FOREGOING SHALL BE CONSTRUED AS TO IMPLY A SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. IT'S THE LAST LINE IN THAT, UH, THERE'S AN IMPLICATION THERE THOUGH THAT SAYS THEN A PARTICULAR STYLE ISN'T PRECLUDED AND THAT'S WHERE WE LAND AND THEN IT GETS INTO AN INTERPRETATION OF THAT, THAT LEVEL OF DETAILING. AND WE REALLY STRUGGLED BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION OF DETAILINGS AND HAVING A HOME REFLECT A PERIOD THAT IS NOT OF ITS TIME IS A CHALLENGE. SO WE BROUGHT THIS HERE FOR YOU. WE, UH, AND, UH, AND DIDN'T HAVE IT ON CONSENT ON PURPOSE, SO WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION. ROBIN, THANK YOU. I KNOW, UH, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL'S NOT HERE TODAY. THEY'RE SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC, UM, HEARING THAT THE LOCAL, UM, DE CONTROL COMMITTEE HAD NOT, UM, HAS NOT GOTTEN BACK TO THE APPLICANT ON THIS MATTER. BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT KIM WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SORT OF OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND ULTIMATELY, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PERMISSION TO, UM, TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. UM, BUT UH, TO THE QUESTION OF THE SIZE OF THE, JUST THE MASSING, BECAUSE CAN YOU READ THE PARAGRAPH IN HERE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE MASSING? THE, THE MASSING ITSELF THOUGH IS STILL INPRO IS IS STILL AN IMP IMPORTANT FACTOR. I THINK IT'S THE NUMBER THREE SCALE AND PROPORTION. THE SCALE NUMBER THREE IS THAT THE SCALE AND PROPORTIONS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE WIDTH AND ROOF LINE, OVERALL HEIGHT, EVE HEIGHT, FOUNDATION HEIGHT, PORCH HEIGHT, ROOF SHAPE AND ROOF PITCH, AND OTHER DIMENSIONS TO EACH OTHER MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE TYPICAL SCALE AND PROPORTIONS OF EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. UNLESS SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS AN ATYPICAL USE LOCATION OR LOT SIZE WARRANT AN ATYPICAL SCALE AND PROPORTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT OR A FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, UH, THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT'S GIVEN THE SITE CONTEXT ON PAGE NINE NINE SHOWS A KIND OF MARGIN AROUND THE MAIN BUILDING, UH, WITH SORT OF AMPLE SPACE TO EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT THE PLAN OF THE HOUSE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING THAT'S SHOWN ON ANOTHER PAGE, I GUESS PAGE 17, UH, SEEMS TO INDICATE SORT OF NARROWER MARGINS TO EITHER SIDE. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THIS IS SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE LARGER LOTS IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE SEEMS TO BE LARGER THAN THOSE THAT YOU CAREFULLY ITEMIZED ON THE EARLY PAGES, PAGES 8, 7, 6 AND SO FORTH. UM, OKAY, MAYBE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE, BUT THE HOUSE SEEMS TO BE BIGGER THAN ANY OF THESE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, EVEN IF WE TAKE IT AS 9,000. UH, AND IT SEEMS TO COME CLOSE TO THE EDGES OF THE SITE. SO IN THESE RESPECTS, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO ME TO SATISFY CRITERION THREE. MOREOVER, THE ROOF GEOMETRY IS A SORT OF SINGLE RIDGE ROOF IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER ROOFS. [00:35:01] UH, THE HIP ROOFS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE SITE CONTEXT, UH, ON PAGE, THE AERIAL PHOTO ON PAGE NINE MM-HMM . SO THERE TOO, I WOULD SAY THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO SATISFY THAT CRITERION THAT WAS JUST READ OUT. I, I DO SEE THAT DISCREPANCY IN THAT SITE CONTEXT PLAN I BELIEVE WAS PRESENTED TO US. AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'S COMING FROM THE ARCHITECTS AND I, I DO SEE IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE OUTTA SCALE IN THE RELATIONSHIP TO THAT SITE PLAN DRAWING. SO I I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I WILL SAY REGARDING THE QUESTION OF SIZE AND UM, JUST A FEW NOTES, I JUST PULLED A FEW PROPERTIES OFF OF THE INTERNET, BUT OFF OF HAD, SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT IS ALSO ON A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. NUMBER EIGHT IS ON 25,296 SQUARE FEET AND THE HOUSE IS 8,300. YEAH, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. OH, IT ISN'T? NO. AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CORRECT THIS WITH, WITH, UH, HA FOR THE LONGEST TIME THEY HAD ME HAVING A 2200. CAN YOU COME? I'M SORRY. IS IT OKAY IF, IF, IF, IF RIGHT. IF, IF, IF I CAN GET A QUESTION? THERE YOU GO. AND, AND IF YOU COULD, UH, AND PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MARKET, YOU PLEASE TELL ME SIR, WHAT SIZE YOUR LOT IS. UH, 25,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THEN WHAT'S THE DISCREPANCY WITH HCAD? THE DISCREPANCY HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE I HAVE. WHAT'S THE SQUARE, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HOUSE THEY HAVE LISTED AS HAVING A FULL BASEMENT OF 2200 SQUARE FEET? I DO NOT HAVE A FULL BASEMENT. I'VE GOT A UTILITARIAN BASEMENT THAT WAS USED FOR COAL STORAGE AND IT'S NOT A FULL BASEMENT. SO MY, MY HOUSE SIZE AND HCA IS OFF BY ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET. I HEAR YOU. WHAT'S THE CONDITION SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR HOUSE? UM, ASK ME THAT AGAIN. CONDITION UNDER, THAT'S UNDER AIR CONDITIONING AND HEAT, UH, 6,200. OKAY. AND THEN THE BASEMENT ADDS ANOTHER 2200 AND THAT'S A MISTAKE? NO, NO, NO. THE BASEMENT ADDS ABOUT 600. 600 MM-HMM . AND, AND THEN WHERE'S THIS 20, I HEARD YOU SAY 2200. SO I GOT CONFUSED FROM EACH GUY. NO, IT'S, UH, THE, THE, THE, MY FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR ARE 2200 SQUARE FEET A PIECE. OKAY. THEY LIST ME AS HAVING A FULL BASEMENT OF 2200, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. PARK WITH THE, THE LOT SIZE WITH THE CHAIR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE A LITTLE CLARITY TOO. I MEAN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WELL, I SEE ANOTHER PROPERTY AT 8,200 AND ANOTHER ONE AT 8,300. IS IT SAFE TO SAY THERE ARE BASEMENTS THAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CALCULATING? CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL, ALL THE O ALL THE, ALMOST ALL THE HISTORIC HOMES IN THE, IN THE STREET HAVE BASEMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WEIGHS INTO MY POINT. MY POINT BECOMES ACTUALLY A USELESS POINT BECAUSE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS UNDERGROUND, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT ADDING TO THE MASSING NATURALLY. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOMES AND RIVER OAKS, WHICH HAVE A UTILITARIAN BASEMENT THAT YOU WOULD NOT OCCUPY FOR LONGER THAN YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF IT. UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONDITIONED AND THEY'RE KIND OF MOLDING, UM, FOR, IT'S JUST A PLACE FOR YOUR WATER HEATER AND YOUR HHE AC EQUIPMENT. UM, BUT SO I GUESS, BUT THE QUESTION IS, I MEAN, YOU, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SPEAKERS HERE ABOUT THE PROPER SIZE AND PROPORTION, UM, AND YOU, YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT THESE THINGS IN A WAY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT SEEM, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, UM, BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED ABOUT THE, THE NUMBERS OF THE HCA NUMBERS? I THINK I, YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM, FRANKLY, I, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE HAS ASKED FOR A DEFERRAL ON IT. I DO THINK IT, IT DESERVES FURTHER STUDY. UH, UH, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING A LETTER FROM THE N THE, UH, HOA, CORRECT. UM, ALTHOUGH THERE, AS THE, UH, OWNER HAS STATED THEY DO PLAN TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE REAR. BUT I ACTUALLY SEE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT'S SUBMITTED TO US THAT COMMISSIONER BLAKELY POINTED OUT THAT THAT SITE PLAN DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH UP WITH THAT DIAGRAM. THE DIAGRAM OR THE, THE RENDERING THERE WHERE IT SHOWS IN SITE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S MORE LAND AROUND THE HOUSE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY KNOW THAT NUMBER AND STUDY THIS ONE VERY CAREFULLY. IT IS, UH, THE OTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT A, UH, STAFF MEMBER ARSALAN IS AT NOT HERE. SHE'S WORKED ON THIS QUITE EXTENSIVELY. SHE HAD SOME SURGERY, SO SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT SHE REITERATED OVER AND OVER TO ME, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANOTHER NEW HOUSE IN CORTLAND PLACE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT HOUSE. SO, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE IT AS AN APPROVAL, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE MIGHT ASK FOR THAT. SO IT'S A, IT'S ON THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU, ROMAN. OKAY. [00:40:01] MCNEAL MAKES A MOTION TO DEFER. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND STYLE? SECOND. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I, I, I WAS LOOKING AT PAGE NINE AND REALLY THINKING THAT THERE WAS MORE GREEN SPACE AROUND IT AND THAT THE SIZE WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOUSES. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE MORE CLARITY BETWEEN THE, THE LINE DRAWING SITE PLAN AND THEN THIS CONTEXT AREA DRAWING. THEN ALSO I'D LIKE TO SEE APPROVAL BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSION, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CHANGES THAT HE'S PROPOSING TO MAKE TO THE GARAGE. I AGREE. AND I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, THIS REMINDS ME A LITTLE OF THE PROPERTY WE DID ON SHADOW LAWN, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND I KNOW THAT ON SHADOW LAWN THEY HAD A, A POSITIVE RESULT BY JUST HAVING A DIALOGUE. SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. AND I JUST FOR THE RECORD THOUGH, I, WHETHER THE C OF A IS APPROVES OR DOESN'T APPROVE, IT'S NOT, WE, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT. BUT I HEAR YOU. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION. I UNDERSTAND. AND, UM, PERHAPS, UM, IF THIS VOTE PASSES, YOU'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT TIME WE REVIEW THIS. SO, ALL IN FAVOR. I WOULD JUST ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE NEXT TIME IT COMES BACK THERE IS CLEAR INDICATION OF THE HEIGHT, THE OVERALL HEIGHT AND THE EVE HEIGHT IN THE CONTEXT OF HEIGHTS CORRESPONDING IN THE, THE CONTEXT AREA HOUSES PER THE CRITERIA FOR SURE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DEFER. AYE AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY, ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8 4 0 4 AVONDALE. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR PER PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TAYLOR VALLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM C EIGHT AT 4 0 4 AVONDALE STREET IN THE AVONDALE WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE FRONT PORCH BY OPENING IT UP AND ADD TO AND TO DEMOLISH THE CURRENT REAR ADDITION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY ADDITION AND PORCH. THE PORCH ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IS CURRENTLY ENCLOSED WITH NON-ORIGINAL SIDING AND WINDOWS AND IS GOING TO BE OPEN AND RESTORED WITH A 36 INCH WOOD GUARDRAIL. FOUR BY FOUR TOP RAIL WITH A TWO BY SIX FLAT TOP WITH ROUND EDGES. AND THE EXISTING ORIGINAL COLUMNS ARE TO REMAIN. THE NON-ORIGINAL METAL SIDING BELOW WILL BE REMOVED TO EXPOSE THE EXISTING ORIGINAL BRICK THAT IS CARRIED THROUGH ON THE SIDES. A WINDOW WILL BE RELOCATED FROM THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE ENCLOSED PORCH TO AN ORIGINAL OPENING IN THE FRONT IN THE PORCH ON THE EAST ELEVATION. THE ADDITION WILL BE 287 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH THE 163 SQUARE FOOT PORCH AND 482 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IT WILL HAVE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A SIX INCH BILL, A SIX OVER 12 GABLE ROOF WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES AND INSET AND RECESSED WOOD MATERIAL WINDOWS. THE ORIGINAL CORNERS OF THE HOME WILL BE MAINTAINED AND THE ADDITION WILL BE COMPLETELY HIDDEN BEHIND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, NOT EXCEEDING THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING HOME. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS ITEM. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT IF YOU ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. JUST IF THERE IS QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION. UM, I DID WANNA NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAD TO RUN TO THE PARKING LOT REALLY QUICK AND SHE'LL BE BACK. OKAY. UM, LET ME KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR THE MOMENT AND SEE IF COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM. MR. STAAVA HAS A QUESTION. THE REASON I PULLED THIS IS BECAUSE, UH, FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA IS BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION. IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY THAT IS TO KEEP, IT'S THE, AND THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE HOUSE FOR, I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR 20 YEARS, AND THE OWNER, UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, BUT THE FRONT TO THE DOOR, THE FRONT DOOR, IT SAYS IT, IT DOESN'T CLARIFY. IS IT GONNA KEEP THAT, UH, FRONT DOOR OR BECAUSE THE FRONT DOOR IS IS NOT ORIGINAL. IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, UH, THE ORIGINAL, THE FRONT FROM THE, THE PORCH FRONT DOOR. UH, DO YOU PLAN TO MOVE IT FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT PORCH TO THE, TO THE FRONT DOOR? OR WHAT'S THE STATUS? THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S ON THE ENCLOSED PORCH CURRENTLY, UM, THAT WHOLE PORCH IS GONNA BE OPENED UP. SO IN THE PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S BEHIND THE ENCLOSURE. UM, WE WERE, [00:45:01] WE HAD ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS ORIGINAL AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO KEEP AS THEIR, UM, FRONT DOOR ONCE THE ENCLOSEMENT IS, UM, TAKEN AWAY. BUT, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THAT DOOR, THE PREVIOUS OWNER TOLD ME THAT USED TO BE THE BACK DOOR. AND SO THE REALLY, THE ORIGINAL ONE, UH, WAS MOVED TO, TO THE FOR, TO THE FRONT PORCH AND CLOSING. AND IT'S STILL THERE. AND SO THAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR NOW DOESN'T MATCH TO, UH, THE OPENING. SO REALLY THE, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLACE, UH, BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ON THEIR, UH, THEY'RE ALL EQUAL AND, UH, DOESN'T SHOW THAT HERE ON THE PICTURE. GOT IT. SO THE, UM, THE AGENT IS BACK HERE AND, UM, I CAN EXPLAIN TO HER, OR IF YOU WANNA REPEAT THAT TO THE AGENT, UM, AND JUST LET HER KNOW. UM, BUT THEY DID PLAN ON USING THAT DOOR THAT IS IN THAT PICTURE SHOWN. THAT WAS GOING TO BE WHAT WAS GONNA BE IN THE, UM, THE NEW DRAWINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED. SO I CAN, UM, SHE'S BACK HERE AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO HER OR YOU CAN, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE, UH, I WISH THE PICTURE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR WAS, IS THE ORIGINAL AND THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE. AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP A STREET VIEW AND THERE'S NO PICTURE, UH, THAT TRIES. I TRY TO GOOGLE IT. IT, UH, IT'S MORE OF A, IT'S, UM, UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S ON THE ENCLOSED PORCH CURRENTLY IS THE ONE THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE ORIGINAL AND THAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT BACK? YES. OKAY. YES. IS IT THIS ONE? YES. CAN WE SEE THE DOOR, THE PICTURE OF THE DOOR YOU HAVE ON YOUR PHONE? I DON'T THINK I OH, IT, BUT I THINK IT'S THE ONE WITH THE MAIL SLOT, RIGHT? LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THE FRONT ELEVATION. YEAH, IT'S, YOU CAN SEE IT. I MEAN, IT'S IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE OTHER DOOR PICTURE. SO IT'S THAT ONE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THAT ONE? YEAH. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, BUT UM, THAT IS WHAT, NO, YOU COULD BARELY SEE IT RIGHT THERE IN THIS, IN THIS PHOTO. IT'S ON, IT'S ON PAGE, UH, 13. SO I TAKE IT, IF YOU WERE TO ZOOM IN AND BLOW IT UP, YOU COULD BE ABLE TO IT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THE BLUE IS, UH, IN THE MAIL SLOT THERE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DOOR, BUT THE WINDOW OF THE GLASS MATCHES, UH, THE SIDE GLASSES, THE SIDE GLASS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. YEAH, SHE'S WILLING TO GO WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY ONLY, THAT WAS MY ONLY REQUEST. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. WHILE I HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL OPEN THERE. I'LL, IS IS THAT DOOR STILL THERE NOW? IS IT'S A BUNGALOW? IT IS, IT'S A BUNGALOW DOOR. SO IT REALLY, IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT PER SE. OH YES. IT'S STILL THERE. IT, IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT FIT. OKAY, SO, NO, I'M CONFUSED BY COMMISSIONER AVA'S LAST STATEMENT. HE'S SAYING THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR THAT'S SHOWN THAT WE CAN SEE IT FULLY CORRECT, A MORE CRAFTSMAN DOOR BELOW STYLE DOOR THAT DOESN'T FIT THE HOUSE. YES. THANK YOU. SO WHILE I HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING STILL OPEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM NOT HEARING? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, COMMISSIONER STAAVA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE, UH, MY, MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR, WERE THE ONES THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S AT THE FRONT STEPS. AT THE FRONT STEPS CURRENTLY AND THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S THERE NOW BE MOVED BACK TO THE BACK DOOR OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCNEIL SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL NOW [00:50:01] MOVE ON TO NUMBER 11, 9 11 COURTLAND STREET. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRENCE JACKSON, AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM C 11 AT NINE 11 CORTLAND STREET, LOCATED IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES THE HISTORIC 1,332 SQUARE FOOT, ONE AND A HALF STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND A 196 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY DETACHED GARAGE, SITUATED ON A 3,300 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THE PROPERTY IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING COTTAGE STYLE RESIDENCE. CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE AND REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS, INSTALL FOAM MUNTONS SLASH IONS ON THE NEW WINDOWS, UH, EXISTING SCREENED IN PORCH TO BE ENCLOSED AND MADE A CONDITION SPACE CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY ADDITION, APPROXIMATELY 30 SQUARE FEET ATTACHING THE GARAGE TO THE HOME, RELOCATE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND I'M SORRY, REMOVE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND REPLACE AND REPLACE, I'M SORRY, RELOCATE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND REPLACE IT. CONSTRUCT A FRONT FACING GABLE PORTICO AT THE FRONT DOOR. REMOVE THE EXISTING ONE 17 SIDING AND PLACE AND REPLACE WITH CEMENTENTIOUS PANEL BOARD WITH THE STUCCO TEXTURE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A MODEST ADDITION CONNECTING THE HOME AND THE GARAGE, WHILE ALSO ENCLOSING THE EXISTING SCREEN PORCH FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT THE HOME IS LOCATED ON AN UNUSUALLY SMALL SITE WITH A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE TO INCREASE THE DESIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE PROPOSED DESIGN MEETS THE HEIST DESIGN GUIDELINES, MEASURABLE STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED A DESIGN WHICH STAFF RECEIVED YESTERDAY THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS IT'S AS ATTACHMENT A AT THE VERY END OF THE REPORT, WHICH THE OWNER WILL PRESENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A COA, AN ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR WORK PERFORMED WITHOUT A COA AND PERMIT. WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE NEW WINDOWS ARE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A, WITH AN APPRO WITH APPROPRIATE WINDOWS. THE FRONT DOOR IS APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE OR INSTALLATION. THE PROPOSED OPTION ONE WITH LAB SIGHTING IS THE PREFERRED DESIGN AND MATERIALS. THE PROPOSED FRONT PORTICO BE LIMITED TO THREE FEET IN DEPTH FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC THE APPLICANT, RICARDO OCAMPO IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TERRANCE. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS ITEM. I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP AS MENTIONED. MR. RICARDO OCAMPO, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. DOCUMENT CAMERA. HELLO, MY NAME'S RICARDO CAMPO. I'M THE NEW HOMEOWNER OF, UM, 9 1 1 COURTLAND, ALONG WITH MY FAMILY. UM, IS, IS THAT IT? ALRIGHT, CAN I CONTINUE WITH MY YES, PLEASE. OKAY. SORRY. UM, SO ME AND MY, ME AND MY WIFE, UM, WE BOUGHT THIS HOME IN FEBRUARY AND HAVE BEEN SAVING, UH, FOUR TO FIVE YEARS TO AFFORD A HOME IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE DON'T MAKE MUCH MONEY. MY WIFE'S A TEACHER AND I'M JUST A FIREMAN. SO WE'VE SAVED AND, UM, WE COULD AFFORD THIS UNUSUAL 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. HOWEVER, THIS, UH, HOME IS IN THAT COMFORTABLE, UNCOMFORTABLE ZONE OF BUDGET. AND, UM, WE'RE PREPARED FOR IT, SAVING EVERYTHING AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN AFFORD OUR MORTGAGE AND ALREADY HAVE OUR REMODELS. UM, NOW BEFORE WE BOUGHT THIS HOME, UM, UH, MY FAMILY COMES FIRST AND EVERYTHING AND, UM, I TOLD MY REALTOR THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO REQUIREMENTS AND THAT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE A BIG WINDOWS AND A BIG DOOR. UM, SADLY, UM, I'M HERE NOW AS A FIRST IMPRESSION AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UM, I JUST HAVE SOME SUPPORTIVE DOCUMENTS THAT IF I HUMBLY JUST PRESENT TO YOU GUYS. AND JUST SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, I KNOW I'M AT YOUR WILL, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR, UM, TO SEE HOW MUCH LEEWAY I CAN HAVE. UM, SO MY, UM, REALTOR TOLD ME TO, UM, THAT I HAVE NO HOAS AND I'M NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, SO I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT TO THE HOME. AND THIS WAS A MESSAGE SUPPORTING IT. UH, THANK YOU TERRANCE. UH, AND THEN, UH, THEN SHE TOLD ME TO LOOK UP MYSELF, THE DOCUMENT, AND I DID, THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT SAID THAT I WAS NOT A SUPPORTING STRUCTURE TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I WAS SET AND THIS IS WHAT I HAD NOW. [00:55:01] UM, AS SOON AS I SIGNED TO THE CONTRACT, THE VERY NEXT THING I DID WAS I BOUGHT MY WINDOWS BECAUSE I LIVE WITH MY GRANDMOTHER. MY GRANDMA HAS BEEN, UM, PART OF MY LIFE SINCE I'VE GROWN UP. HER HUSBAND, MY GRANDPA JUST PASSED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SO MY GRANDMA IS BEHIND ME. SHE IS, UM, A WONDERFUL PERSON. I TAKE CARE OF HER. SADLY, SHE'S AWARE TO PERSON, UH, PLACE. SORRY. UM, MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER. TWO MINUTES MORE TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, YES. ALL IN FAVOR? UH, SORRY. I'LL SPEED IT UP. PLEASE PROCEED. SO PERSON PLEASE. NOT TIME. SO SHES, UM, NOT INDEPENDENT. UH, SHE'S ALWAYS WITH ME AND, UM, AS MUCH AS, UH, I CAN OFFER HER TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD IS, UM, VIEWS THAT, THAT'S ALL I CAN FROM THE SAFETY, THE INSIDE OF HER HOME. AND THE, THE PICTURE BEFORE IS A CHAIR THAT WE USED. THAT'S WHAT HIV USES WHEN SHE FALLS. UM, IT'S A FOUR PERSON CHAIR. MY GRANDPA FELL DOWN AND THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH SPACE, SO THEY CARRIED HIM ON THE SHEET AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HURT HIS HIP, WHICH CAUSED, UM, ACCIDENTS TO HAPPEN. NOW THIS IS AN EMAIL OF ME TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND, UH, AGAIN, I, I DID THIS, BUT IT WASN'T DONE THE RIGHT WAY. HOWEVER, IT'S ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE NOW. UM, UH, MY WINDOWS ARE A BIG NO-NO, AND I GET IT. AND I'M HERE TO JUST ASK FOR SOME LEEWAY IF POSSIBLE. UM, IN THE NEXT, UH, SORRY, IN THE NEXT ONE THERE IS, UM, THIS IS MY HOUSE NOW. I WILL ADD GRIDS IF POSSIBLE AND PERMIT IT. UM, MY GRANDMA HAS THEM, UM, IN THE BACK WITH JUST A LITTLE SAMPLE OF WHAT IT WILL DO. BUT WE FOUND SOME CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT HAS SIMILAR LOOK TO IT. AND I WAS ASKING IF, UM, THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED. AND ALSO TO DISTRACT THE WINDOWS, I CAN ADD A PORCH, UM, FOUR TO FIVE FEET, WHICH WILL STILL CONTRIBUTE TO MY NEIGHBORS, MY NEIGHBORS FROM THE STREET. THEY ARE ABOUT SEVEN FEET NEXT, 13 FEET MINUS 14 FEET. UM, WE CAN STILL HAVE THE SAME LINE IN OUR UNUSUAL 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. AND THAT'S A PROPOSED, UH, CHAT GBT HUB. THAT'S HOW MY HOME WOULD LOOK POSSIBLY, UH, AND IF PERMITTED AND ALSO THE SIDE WINDOWS ARE ALSO BAD AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I WENT AROUND AND I KEPT LOOKING FOR MORE STRUCTURES THAT, UH, HAVE SIDE WINDOWS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING. AGAIN, I'M JUST PRESENTING THIS, I KNOW IT'S NOTHING FOR SURE, BUT I WENT OUT, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WITH, UH, CONSIDERATION THAT WE CAN, UM, I GUESS USE THEM IN SOME SORT OF WAY. AND THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, I WAS GONNA PRESENT WAS THAT, I'M SORRY. YEAH. UM, THESE STRUCTURES ARE CONTRIBUTING, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT HOME, THERE'S A BREEZEWAY, IT'S A FLOOR TO CEILING. WINDOW 8 22 IS NOT CONTRIBUTING. I DREW THE HOUSE, IT'S NEXT TO IT. THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. AND THERE'S BREEZEWAY IN THE MIDDLE AND ALSO THE OTHER HOME THAT TERRANCE JUST FLIPPED. IT WAS THE SAME THING. THIS IS ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. ME AND MY WIFE HAVE BEEN DRIVING AROUND EVERY DAY FOR WEEKS NOW, AND WE FOUND A LOT OF EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE, UH, YEAH. SORRY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER, COMMISSIONER MCNEAL. SO YOU BOUGHT THIS HOUSE AND YOU PUT IN ALL THESE BRAND NEW WINDOWS. MM-HMM . DID YOU EVER GO TO THE CITY AND GET A PERMIT? UM, WHENEVER I TALKED TO MY CONTRACTOR, HE SAID IT WAS NOT NECESSARY. AND I DON'T TRUST YOUR CONTRACTOR. I I KNOW THAT NOW BECAUSE HE'S NOT HERE TO TAKE A BLAME, BUT I AM AND IT'S NOT HIM. UM, AND HE ASSURED ME THAT HE'S WORKING ON THE PROCESS AND I JUST TRUSTED HIM. IT WENT FROM TAKING OFF DRYWALL TO MORE DRYWALL BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF MOLDY TO FINDING MORE AND MORE THINGS AND I JUST DUG MYSELF IN A DEEPER HOLE. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU HAD DONE SOME HOMEWORK, YOU'D FIND OUT THAT REPLACING WINDOWS IS A EVENT THAT MUST HAVE A PERMIT IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON. THE CITY OF HOUSTON WOULD'VE TOLD YOU YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE BROUGHT YOU HERE SOONER. YES. BEFORE YOU SPENT ANY MONEY ON YOUR HOUSE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UH, WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WITHOUT HEARING OR SEEING ANYONE ELSE? I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? AND I GUESS, UH, TERRENCE, COULD YOU JUST RESTATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THE C OF R? SURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR WORK PERFORMED WITHOUT A COA AND PERMIT. WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE NEW WINDOWS ARE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW. THE FRONT DOOR IS APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE OR INSTALLATION. THE PROPOSED OPTION ONE WITH LAB SIDING IS THE PREFERRED DESIGN AND MATERIALS AND THE PROPOSED FRONT PORTICO BE LIMITED TO THREE FEET IN DEPTH FROM THE FACE OF THE FRONT WALL. UM, STEPH WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WE RECEIVED THE DRAWINGS FROM ATTACHMENT A, WHICH I THINK IS THE PREFERRED DESIGN OF THE OWNER, UM, YESTERDAY. UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT BASED ON, UH, THE RECEIVING OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. WOULD YOU REVISE YOUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE RECEIVING OF THOSE DOCUMENTS? NO, [01:00:01] SIR. AND IS THIS HOUSE CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING? NON-CONTRIBUTING. NON-CONTRIBUTING, YES, SIR. RIGHT. AND TERRANCE, CAN YOU COMMENT ALSO, IT SEEMED LIKE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS, SOME OF THE BEDROOM, UH, BEDROOMS IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW WINDOWS THAT DON'T OPEN OR ARE NOT EGRESS WINDOWS. UH, YES SIR. AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, WINDOW ON THE, IN THE BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, INSPECTOR WENT OUT PRIOR TO THAT WINDOW BEING INSTALLED, I, FROM LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GONNA BE OPERABLE EITHER. UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE APPLICANT DID NOT HAVE AN ARCHITECT, SO WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND FLOOR PLAN TO KNOW WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE LOCATED. UM, BUT IF THE BEDROOMS ARE LOCATED ON THE EASTER PLAN OR WEST, UM, THOSE TALL WINDOWS ARE NOT OPERABLE EITHER. OKAY. SO AT LEAST, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, EVERY BETTER MUST HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEANS OF EGRESS, WHICH PER, PER THE CODE. YES, SIR. ALSO REQUIRED IN LIVING IN LIVING SPACES. SO THE LIVING ROOM WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ISSUE AS WELL. OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR MOTION? I MEAN, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING AND I DO BELIEVE IF HE HAD COME IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AT FIRST, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN PRETTY SYMPATHETIC TO MAYBE CHANGING THE SIDING AND THE WINDOWS, BUT LIKELY REQUIRED IT TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. I ALSO AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WE WOULD'VE LET HIM ENCLOSED THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH WAS A DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOUSE TO BEGIN WITH. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE EXAMPLES OF OTHER HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE A FRONT PORCH, BUT WE DO KNOW FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT THIS HAD A SCREENED IN FRONT PORCH. SO I GUESS I STRUGGLE A LITTLE WITH, YOU KNOW, I CAN MAYBE SEE, SEE THE WINDOWS AND THE SIDING CHANGE, BUT, BUT REALLY CHANGING THE ENTIRE FORM OF THE HOUSE. I'M, I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLE GETTING OVER THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. BLAKELEY. WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? THE, WHAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ABOUT THE PERMIT? UH, BECAUSE IF THE WINDOWS DON'T OPEN, IS THAT A VIOLATION OF CODE? AND THEN DO WE WANNA PUT OUR IMPRIMATUR ON SOMETHING WHEN, WELL, THE WILL SAFETY, HE'LL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. HE'LL HAVE TO HE'LL, HE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, UM, OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY AND THAT, THAT WILL OCCUR REGARDLESS. UM, I THINK THAT I, I TOO MISS OR LAMENT THE LOSS OF THE PORCH AS A, I THINK WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM STAFF AND WHAT THEY I'VE SEEN IN THE, IN THE IMAGES PRESENTED IS THAT, UM, AS A NONCONTRIBUTING HOME, THIS HOME COULD BE DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT NEW. AND THERE APPEAR TO BE SOME OTHER, UH, HOMES, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A VERY SMALL PORCH THAT WAS ADDITIVE ON THE FRONT, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR C OF A APPLICATION. UM, SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN AND, AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE GREENHOUSE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CURRENT SCREEN. SO I THINK THAT IS, UM, WHAT I DON'T THINK IS THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER HOME THAT HAS STUCCO OR CERTAINLY STUCCO WITH VERTICAL BOARDS, UM, ON THE FRONT. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE, THE, THE, THE ONE 11 SITING AS THEIR, AS THEIR RECOMMENDED OPTION. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, JUST TO COMMENT ON, UH, COMMISSIONER, JUST TO ADD TO COMMISSIONER COST COSGROVE'S COMMENT, UM, CAN YOU ASK FOR DOCUMENT CAMERA? DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE? DOCUMENT CAMERA, RIGHT. UM, STAFF, STAFF FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS AN ATYPICAL SITE BECAUSE IT'S 3,300 SQUARE FEET. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT CAMERA HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS APPLICANT WERE TO, UH, PROPOSE AN ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOME, THEN THAT WOULD GET REALLY TRICKY FOR THEM AS FAR AS THE GARAGE LAYOUT AND TURN RADIUSES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO, UM, W IS IT TO SAY THAT STAFF SYMPATHIZE WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE SITE MAY BE CONCERNED? CAN YOU, CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? YEAH, GIMME A SECOND. IT'S A PLUS MINUS. I KNOW. I'M JUST, I KIND OF WANNA TO SEE HOW DEEP THAT PORCH IS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES, SIR. I SEE THE ORIGINAL PORCH WAS, UH, SEVEN FEET DEEP, WAS THE CFA SAYS, UH, THERE'S A, YOUR, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION. THIS [01:05:01] IS A THREE FA THREE FOOT SETBACK, UH, UH, FROM THAT FRONT WALL FROM YES, SIR. SIR, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THREE? YES. SO, BECAUSE THIS, HIS ORIGINAL WAS SEVEN FEET, WELL, SO IT WILL BE THREE FEET. HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT IS BECAUSE THE, THE IMMEDIATE TO, TO THE IMMEDIATE LEFT AT 9 0 5 COURTLAND, UM, THAT HOUSE IS, UH, HAS A 13 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT WALL TO THE SIDEWALK. OKAY. THIS HOUSE HAS A 14 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT WALL TO THE SIDEWALK. THE IMMEDIATE TO THE LEFT OF 9 0 5 IS 9 0 1 COURTLAND, WHICH HAS AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK. SO STAFF FELT THAT IF WE ALLOWED HIM THREE FEET, UH, FOR THE PORTICO, THAT HE WOULD STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HEIGHTS, UM, SETBACK, THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. I GUESS, I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD. SO THE PORTICO IS, IS APPLIED TO THE FRONT AND IT IS NOT YES. NOT THE ENTRANCE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO IS THERE A MOTION OR A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STEPH'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND, CARRIE? SECONDS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? AYE. SO COSGROVE, UH, OPPOSES. ANY ABSTENTIONS? CAN I GET A, UH, JUST A HANDS ON WHO WAS WAS AFFIRMATIVE FOR? SO, MR. BLAKELY, WHAT WAS YOUR OPPOSED? YOU'RE OPPOSED? YEAH. AND SO OPPOSED. OPPOSED. SO WHAT'S THAT, ? UM, ARE WE TIED OR ARE WE, ARE WE NOT? WE'RE TIED. OKAY. WELL, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND VOTE, UH, TO ACCEPT CALL THE VOTE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. OPPOSED? OPPOSED. OKAY. COMMISSIONER COUCH. SORRY. . APPROVE. APPROVE. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY OPPOSED? OKAY. COMMISSIONER STAAVA. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE. COMMISSIONER CURRY APPROVE. OKAY, SO THAT MOTION FAILS. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION I MOVE TO DEFER UNTIL AFTER THE PERMITTING ISSUE IS RESOLVED? SO, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE PERMITTING DOESN'T DRIVE OUR DECISION. I MEAN, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE THE WORK OR THEY'VE STARTED THE WORK, BUT OUR PURVIEW IS TO, WHETHER THE WORK HAS HAPPENED OR IT'S BEING JUST PROPOSED, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION ON HOW TO CONFORM WITH OUR GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS. COMMISSIONERS. MATT, PLEASE. UM, JUST WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, BE RESPECT. WELL, NOT THAT WE'RE ALWAYS RESPECTFUL OF PEOPLE. I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO THIS HOME. AS SOON AS HE IS ABLE, AS HE GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS, HE'S, UM, HAVING TO OCCUPY TWO PROPERTIES. AND SO ALL I WOULD LIKE IS TO, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY AND WE THINK ABOUT THE PORCH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, HE'S, HE'S HERE AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT IF IT WOULD BE THE CASE THAT A DIFFERENT PORCH CONDITION IS NEEDED, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT , JUST LIKE TO SAY, TO CONSIDER IT. MAYBE LOOK AT, UH, WHAT'S THERE. UH, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WALLS MIGHT STILL BE IN THERE FROM THE ORIGINAL PORCH. UH, RICARDO, I'M SORRY. UH, ARE THE WALLS OF THE, ARE THE WALLS BACK IN THERE WHERE THAT PORCH WAS STILL? YES. YES, THEY ARE. UH, THE SIDING IS IN THE WAY AND THE WINDOWS AT THE TOP. UH, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED. CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? YES. MATT, CHAIR? YES. I'LL, I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK TO PRESENTATION. UM, MY, I, I KNOW THE, I'VE TALKED TO A, UH, OH, SORRY. YES. OR SHOULD WE ABLE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR? YES, I DO. SO UNDER MICROPHONE, PLEASE, UNDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, IT SAYS SOMEWHERE, IF I CAN READ, CONSTRUCT A FRONT FACING GABLE PORTICO AT THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS, IS THAT, UH, WHAT I SEE ON PAGE THIS ON SAY, PAGE, UH, 18. LEMME GET IN THERE. YES, SIR. THAT'S OPTION TWO. [01:10:01] YES. YES. CORRECT. THAT, THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO HE BROUGHT THIS NEW OPTION ONE YESTERDAY, CORRECT? NO. WHICH I SEE ON PAGE 31. SO OPTION ONE AND TWO ARE, ARE, IS WHAT STAFF BASED THEIR RECOMMENDATION OFF OF FOR, FOR SIGHTING, INCLUDING CITING, INCLUDING THE SIGHTING. CORRECT. AND THEN AT ATTACHMENT A, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT IS, BUT IT'S AT THE VERY END OF THE REPORT. MM-HMM . 31, THAT IS WHAT CAME IN YESTERDAY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND SO, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS STILL WHAT I SAW ON PAGE 17, WHICH IS A GABLE. YES, SIR. UH, WHICH MATCHES THE DORMERS. YES, SIR. CORRECT. AND, AND THEN THE CHAIR IS OPEN TO THE HEARING, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE I, I HAD A QUESTION OF THE OWNER JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION TO ASK. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER, IF HE COULD PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. YEP. AND THAT WAS WHETHER THE, WHETHER THE WALL WAS STILL THERE, WHERE THE PORCH, WHERE THE DIDN'T SET PORCH. IS THE WALL STILL THERE? WHERE THE INSET PORSCHE USED TO BE? YES. YES. THE WALL IS STILL THERE. UM, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THEIR OLD FRONT PORCH BECOME? THE OLD FRONT PORCH WILL BE PART OF, UM, OUR ROOM BECAUSE THE, THERE WAS NO CLOSET BEFORE, SO WE WERE TRYING TO ADD ONE. AND IF WE WOULD, IF THE WALL GETS MOVED FORWARD, POSSIBLY THREE OR THREE OR FOUR FEET FOR MY, UH, I GUESS FOR OUR CLOSET AND TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL, I CAN ADD MAYBE THREE FEET MORE STICKING OUT TO MAKE IT A FULL SIX FOOT PORCH IF PERMITTED. UM, OKAY. IT WOULDN'T WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. MR. GRO, DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT? I DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, I HONESTLY THINK THAT YOU'RE LETTING HIM KEEP THE NEW WINDOWS. HE'S INSTALLED BY PUTTING MUTTON BARS, YOU'RE LETTING HIM HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THE FRONT PORCH. HE, THAT BECOMES CONDITION SPACE, AND YOU'RE PUTTING HIM INTO THE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS GONNA BE UGLY BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE WINDOWS AREN'T TEMPERED AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ISSUES HE HAS TO CROSS. AND THAT MIGHT BE OUR BEST ALTERNATIVE. I'M NOT SURE. WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR POSITION? I, I KNEW THAT. I'M SORRY, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA FLIP FLOP. I'M GONNA BE A GOOD POLITICIAN. UH, CHAIR COMM COMMISSIONERS. I'M SORRY. THERE'S AN ITEM THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SURE. IT SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN MISSED BECAUSE DID YOU MENTION THAT? I I DIDN'T GET TO IT. SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE A LIST HERE. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THERE? UH, 31, I BELIEVE. 31 OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE BLOCK FACE HAVES SAID THAT THEY, UM, THEY APPROVE OF THE EXTERIOR WITH THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? YES. COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THIS LIST? HOW YOU, HOW THIS CAME ABOUT? AND I APOLOGIZE. UM, SO AS AFTER WE BOUGHT OUR, OUR HOME, AND WE DID THIS, UH, WE STOOD IN FRONT OF OUR PORCH AFTER MY WIFE GETS OFF OF WORK EVERY DAY, AND IT'S A PRETTY ACTIVE STREET. SO EVERYONE THAT WALKS BY, WE'VE, UM, SHOWED THEM A PICTURE OF, UH, HOW OR HOW IT WILL LOOK, WHICH WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE AWNING. AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE DOCUMENT CAMERA. UM, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 31 SIGNATURES. UM, MOST OF THEM BEING OUR BLOCK FACE, UH, JUST HIGHLIGHTED THEM OF PEOPLE BEING OKAY WITH, I MEAN, WELL THEM, THEM APPROVING FOR THE LOOK, PER SE. UM, MY NEIGHBORS ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, BUT, UH, THIS JUST THE DOCUMENT THAT I HAD. SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I NEED ANOTHER MOTION, OR I NEED COMMISSIONER MCNEIL TO DECIDE WHICH WAY HE'S VOTING. I'M FLOPPING IT UP TO DAVID. OH, GOOD. SO DO WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK UP? COMMISSIONER CURRY, DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE? I, I, I, NO, I, I HAVEN'T FLIP FLOPPED MY, YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST REMINDED THE COMMISSION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO TEAR THE HOME DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH A HOME THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES. AND, UM, AND BASED ON THE C OF R, UM, IN ANY OTHER CODE ISSUES THAT HE NEEDS TO MAKE, UH, BASED ON OTHER EXAMPLES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN IN THE CONTEXT AREA, THEY, THE C OF A, THE C OF R, UM, OVERLAY DOES BRING THAT IN INTO, THAT DOES BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE. SO, UM, BUT DO YOU HAVE TO, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING ON THE HOUSE? DO WE HAVE 1 17, 1 17? I, I, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BLAKELY SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ARE WE VOTING ON THIS PREVIOUS VOTE? WAIT, WE WE'RE STILL VOTING ON THE PREVIOUS VOTE FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I'M STILL NOT CHANGING MY VOTE. AYE ONE. OKAY. SO, AND THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED, COSGROVE AND [01:15:01] STAAVA. ANY ABSTENTIONS? SO THAT VOTE PASSES THE C THE FOR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE C OF R. THANK YOU. SO OPPOSED WAS CURRY, STAAVA AND COSGROVE? NO. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. AND NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 13. HELLO COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS ROMAN MCALLEN WITH ITEM C 13 C. CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR THE RECORD? DO WE NEED TO STATE THAT COMMISSIONER COSGROVE IS LEAVING THE MEETING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. WE STILL HAVE A COURT ITEM C 13 IS AT 7 31 KEY STREET. THIS IS A, AN APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION OVER THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ATTACHED GARAGE AND EXPAND THE EXISTING ONE STORY SIDE REAR PORTION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. THE RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE IS, IS APPROVAL. LET'S GO THROUGH, WE HAVE AN INVENTORY PHOTOGRAPH ON, ON PAGE FOUR THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE A CONTEMPORARY PHOTOGRAPH ON PAGE FIVE THERE. AND WE HAVE A, A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, UM, LEFT ELEVATION, THE WEST ELEVATION, TH THIS ITEM. AND THE NEXT ITEM HAVE SIMILAR CONDITIONS IN THAT THEY'RE CORNER LOTS IN NOR HILL WITH SINGLE STORY HOUSES WITH AN ADDITION PROPOSED OF TWO. AND THEY BOTH HAVE THIS CASE OF A, OF AN ATTACHED NON-ORIGINAL GARAGE OF ONE STORY. AND SO THERE'S SOME CONTEXT OF SOME PHOTOS AROUND THE HOUSE. THERE'S THE REAR OF THE GARAGE LOOKING WEST, AND THEN THERE'S A SANDBORN IMAGE ON THE NEXT PAGE. INTERESTINGLY, THIS SANDBORN IMAGE NOTES THAT THERE'S AN A BACK THERE, AND I WONDERED ABOUT THE A I DON'T THINK ALL THOSE A'S MEAN APARTMENTS. BUT THEN WHEN I GO TO THE HARRIS COUNTY DOCUMENTATION, UH, TWO PAGES FORWARD, IF YOU WILL, UH, THERE, IT'S LABELED ACTUALLY GARAGE APARTMENT. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT WAS JUST SORT OF A SMALL PIECE OF THE SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE. AND THEN, UH, THE FOLLOWING PAGES HAVE THE LINE DRAWINGS. SO YOU HAVE THE SOUTH ELEVATION AS PROPOSED, BE EXISTING AND PROPOSED, AND THEN THE WEST ELEVATION EXISTING AND PROPOSED, WHICH IS SORT OF FLICKERING ON YOUR SCREEN THERE. AND THEN THE EAST ELEVATION AND WHERE YOU SEE THE EXPANSION. UH, CHAIR, WHEN YOU AND I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT THAT PORTION IN THE REAR THAT WAS OUT WAS A, A NON-ORIGINAL EDITION, BUT IT IN THAT SANDBORN IT WAS ACTUALLY THERE. SO IT IS AN OLD ORIGINAL, APPEARS TO BE CLOSE TO ORIGINAL PIECE OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT WOULD BE EXPANDED AS THE ROOF PLAN SHOWS ON PAGE 15. IF YOU GO RIGHT THERE, THIS IS A GOOD IMAGE. IF WE COULD ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. YOU SEE THE TWO STRUCTURES, THIS IS, UH, IN A NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION. ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS THE EAST SIDE. AND YOU SEE HOW THAT, UH, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A SIDE EDITION, BUT THE SIDE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT'S COMING OUT IS GETTING EXPANDED TO THE REAR. IT'S PROPOSED TO BE EXPANDED TO THE REAR, AND THEN THE RIDGE OF THE MAIN HOUSE COMING BACK AND THERE'S A CONNECTION TO THE, TO THE GARAGE, WHICH WOULD, SO IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE AND THE FULL DRAWING SET FOLLOWS THAT. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANNA COMMENT ON, JUST LIKE THE SAME, UM, NOTEBOOK HERE, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ON TO KEEP UP WITH THE LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING IN OF A LOT OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT. UH, AT 7 31, UM, I HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE OWNERS THAT SAY THERE'S 21 LETTERS IN SUPPORT, AND I'VE COUNTED ABOUT 18 OR 19. AND THESE ALL APPEAR TO BE NEAR, NEARBY HOUSES IN THE NORTH HILL DISTRICT. SO THERE'S COMMUNITY SUPPORT, UH, FOR IT. UH, THAT ISN'T WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. WE FEEL THAT IT DOES MEET THE CURRENT CRITERIA THAT WE APPLY, UH, IN NOR HILL. WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON GUIDELINES THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT PAST IT. SO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HA WHAT WE KNOW. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THANK, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU ROMAN. UM, I KNOW WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SO I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, THE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, IT'S, UH, SAM OCCUS IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO. [01:20:01] OKAY. UNLESS I GET IT TO GO. YOU DO HAVE THAT OPTION. UM, IF, IF THERE ARE OTHERS THAT SPEAK OR, OKAY. I, SO I'LL COME BACK TO, UM, THE SECOND SPEAKER THEN SET UP TO SPEAK IS LAWRENCE FIBO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR, UH, HEARING ME TODAY. IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME. LAWRENCE. LAWRENCE FIBO. I LIVE IN NOR HILL. MANY OF YOU KNOW ME. I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU WITH A TWO STORY RENOVATION THAT I, BECAUSE I WANNA HAVE A BIGGER HOME TOO, AND I'VE BEEN ACCEPTED AND REJECTED BY YOU ALSO. I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. UM, I AM HERE TODAY TO OPPOSE 7 31 AND THE ONE THAT COMES AFTER IT, 1101 WEST MELWOOD. I KNOW THAT PETITIONS SEEM TO BE THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING NOW, UM, THAT PITS NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR AND I DON'T LIKE THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN. UM, I KNOW WE'VE NOT YET APPROVED, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH MEASURABLE STANDARDS, BUT WE HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE PRESENT TO YOU AS EVIDENCE 100 OVER 100. ACTUALLY, YOU CAN KEEP THAT CAMERA. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS. BASICALLY. UM, IT BASICALLY STATES THAT, UM, PEOPLE SUPPORT OUR DESIRED GOAL TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND SCALE OF RENOVATIONS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 97 OF THOSE SIGNATURES ARE FROM NOR HILL. THE OTHER FIVE ARE EITHER FROM, UH, WOODLAND HEIGHTS, WHO MANY PEOPLE DON'T WANT US TO BECOME, OR HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST. UM, AND WE ARE NOT SURPRISED TO HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY SIGNATURES OF SUPPORT TO KEEP THE SCALE OF RENOVATIONS MODEST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING US THAT FOR 10 YEARS NOW, UM, OVER 10 YEARS ACTUALLY. AND WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO, UM, IN PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OTHER NEIGHBORS. UM, WE ASK IF POSSIBLE TODAY THAT WE DEFER THESE RENOVATIONS AT 7 31 AND 1101 UNTIL WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER ON A COMPROMISE SOLUTION. AND IT'S THERE BECAUSE I HAVE ONE. AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER THAT'S SIGNED UP IS VIRGINIA KELSEY. THANK YOU. I'M VIRGINIA KELSEY. I'M THE VP OF DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR NOR HILL. WHEN SAM BEGAN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, HE ASKED ME TO HIS OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE PRELIMINARY TO CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. HE EXPRESSED THAT HE WANTED TO WORK WITH NOR HILL SO THAT HE COULD COME TO HOP WITH OUR SUPPORT. AT THAT TIME, I NOTED THAT WHILE THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION WAS NOT A PARTICULAR ISSUE, ITS PLACEMENT OVER THE NON-CONFORMING ATTACHED GARAGE EXTENDING BACK TO THE REAR SETBACK WOULD MOST LIKELY RECEIVE, RAISE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS FOR THE BOARD AND WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. I SUGGESTED SEVERAL ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION AND RECOMMENDED FOR HIM TO REVIEW THE DRAFT GUIDELINES FOR FURTHER CONTEXT. WHILE THE DRAFT GUIDELINES HAVE NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY, THEY SERVE AS THE CLEAREST DEFINITION OF HARMONY OF WHAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS BASED ON NINE YEARS OF DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY WAY OF WORKSHOPS, MEETINGS, AND POLLING OF THE RESIDENTS. WHEN NOR HILL RECEIVED THE FINAL DRAWINGS, THEY DENIED IT. FIRST RESIDENTS VOTED TO HAVE, UH, ACCORDING TO ALL OF OUR RESEARCH, TO HAVE TWO STORY ADDITIONS, A MINIMUM OF 18.8 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. IN THE CONTEXT AREA FOR THIS PROPERTY, THERE IS ONE TWO STORY HOUSE AND IT IS LOCATED THE SECOND FLOOR, 16 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY. THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING ATTACHED GARAGE IS ONLY 13 FEET, THREE INCHES BEHIND THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED 20 FEET, IT IS FORWARD OF THE ORIGINAL FACE OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE BY TWO FEET. SECOND, THE DORMER AND GARAGE ELEMENT AS DESIGNED ARE NOT IN THE SCALE WITH GARAGES IN NOR HILL. THE SCALE IS SIMPLY TOO LARGE. ORIGINAL TWO STORY GARAGES. MOTION TO GRANT SPEAKER, UH, TWO MORE MINUTES OF TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. CURRY SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. THANK YOU. PROCEED. SECOND, THE, THE, THE DORMER AND GARAGE ELEMENT AS DESIGNED ARE NOT IN SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SCALE IS TWO LARGE, ORIGINAL TWO STORY GARAGES IN NOR HILL USUALLY HAD A SEVEN FOOT FIRST FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT, TWO BY SIX JO, [01:25:01] AND WERE NARROW. SO THEY WERE LIMITED IN HEIGHT. THE FEW DORMERS EXISTING IN NOR HILL ARE SIMPLY SMALL SECONDARY ELEMENTS. THIRD, AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MATTER. IF YOU ALLOW THIS PROJECT OF EXTENDING BACK OVER THE GARAGE, THERE WILL BE A FLOOD OF THESE PROJECTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEXT PROJECT THAT YOU'LL REVIEW TODAY IS SIMILAR IN SIZE. AND WELL, IT'S SIMILAR IN, IN ITS CONCEPT, AND THERE WILL BE MANY MORE THAT FOLLOW THE SCALE OF NOR HILL WILL FOREVER BE CHANGED. YOU MAY THINK, WELL, IT'S ON THE CORNER LOT, BUT THE MASSING ON CORNER LOTS IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S ACTUALLY, IN MANY RESPECTS, MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR LOTS BECAUSE IT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SEES WHEN THEY DRIVE BY. AND SO IT'S HAS A GREATER IMPACT ON SETTING THE TONE FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HEAR ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION, BUT WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. UH, WE DO HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS SIGN UP. AND THEN SAM, UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARY SCHULTZ. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MARY SCHULTZ. I AM ON THE BOARD OF NOR HILL ASSOCIATION. AND, UH, I HAVE JUST A FEW QUICK COMMENTS. I DROVE BY THIS, UH, HOUSE AT, UH, 7 31 KEY TO SEE WHAT THE DIMENSIONS WERE. AND I NOTED THAT THE GARAGE BEING ON THE SI THE FRONT, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ON ONE STREET, AND THE GARAGE, AS YOU SAW, IS ON THE SIDE STREET. AND THE PROPOSED, THE DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION ON TOP OF THE GARAGE MAKES THE WHOLE THING LOOK LIKE A TWO STORY GARAGE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. IT'S ALL ON TOP OF THE GARAGE. AND TWO STORY GARAGES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN NOR HILL. AND AGAIN, THAT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE SECOND THING THAT BOTHERED ME WHEN I SAW IT IS THAT WHEN THIS ADDITION IS PUT ON, THERE'S ONLY LIKE EIGHT TO 10 FEET BETWEEN IT AND THE STRUCTURE RIGHT BEHIND IT. AND IT'S NOT A TINY STRUCTURE BEHIND IT, IT'S A FULL SECOND STORY ON A GARAGE NEXT TO IT. SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE A BUTTING EACH OTHER WITH THE WINDOWS LOOKING AT EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S A KIND OF A PRIVACY ISSUE AND A ENCROACHMENT ISSUE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT MAKE THIS, UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRANGE, THE THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING OFFERED. AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAS TRIED TO WORK OR MEDIATE SOME OTHER OPTIONS WHERE THEY CAN STILL OBTAIN THE SPACE THEY WANT, BUT IN A MORE, UM, UH, UH, CONSISTENT WAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. NOT YET. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS KAREN STOKES. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM KAREN STOKES AND I'M A NEW MEMBER ON THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD. I'VE LIVED IN THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2001, SO I'M AN OLD MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ONLY STARTED SERVING ON THIS IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION RECENTLY. SO I'M REALLY LEARNING A LOT ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND WHAT THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DO DOES. AND I REALLY WANNA FIRST SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS HARD AND IMPORTANT WORK. UM, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME IN HISTORIC NOR HILL HEIGHTS, I KNEW THAT I WAS BUYING PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS ALL OWNERS WHO BUY PROPERTIES THERE DO, BECAUSE WE'RE TOLD WHEN WE BUY OUR PURCHASE OUR LAND, IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE STREET SIGNS ALL ARE PROPERLY LAID LABELED WITH THE STAR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE ALL KNOW WHEN WE BUY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. UM, INDEED NOR HILL HEIGHTS HAS BECOME ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING NEIGHBORHOODS OF ITS KIND IN THE SENSE THAT THE BUNGALOWS ARE REALLY BECOMING MORE AND MORE RARE IN THE SURROUNDING GREATER HEIGHTS AREA. SO, UM, IT HAS POTENTIALLY BECOME UNIQUE IN ITS CONSISTENT RETENTION OF THE BUNGALOW AESTHETIC. SO I WANNA JUST, UM, STATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PRESENT PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE HISTORIC CHARM AND SCALE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WHILE CHANGE IS INEVITABLE, THE CHANGE MUST BE BALANCED TO RETAIN THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER THAT MAKES THIS WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL. AFTER ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS ARE THE HEART OF WHY PEOPLE BUY HOUSES THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. [01:30:01] WHY WE CHOOSE TO HAVE A HOUSE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE OPEN FRONT PORCH, BUNGALOW PORCH WHERE NEIGHBORS CONGREGATE THE CASUAL VISITS THAT OCCUR WHEN PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS ON THE ESPLANADES. THE SENSE OF OPEN SPACE, THE SPIRIT OF GARDENING, THE FRIENDLY COTTAGE LIKE HOMES, ALL OF THESE CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELCOMING SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I GRAB THE SPEAKER ONE MORE MINUTE AT A TIME. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? UM, IN OTHER WORDS, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RISES DIRECTLY FROM THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY THIS HISTORIC TEMPLATE, AND IT SHAPES OUR COMMUNITY IDENTITY. AND I REALLY, UM, THINK THAT HISTORY IS CLEARLY REPRESENTED IN ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITIES THAT HELP US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMES BEFORE. AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE AS A CITY WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP OUR UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS UNIQUE AND NOT BECOME VERY GENERIC LARGE SCALE NEIGHBORHOODS IN EVERY PLACE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY, UM, PASSION AND MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FIRST SPEAKER, PLEASE. OKAY. THE FIRST SPEAKER OR YES, SIR. LAWRENCE FIBO. LAUREN? YES. LAST NAME. FIBO. FIBO. FIBO. UM, YOU SAID YOU HAD, YOU HAD OVER A HUNDRED SIGNATURES. ARE THOSE IN 97 FROM NOR HILL? ARE THOSE SPECIFICALLY, UH, OPPOSING THIS ONE PARTICULAR PROJECT, OR ARE THEY IN SUPPORT OF DESIGN GUIDELINES OR, I I MISSED THE CLARITY ON THAT PIECE. YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. UM, SO WE KEPT THIS KIND OF, UM, VAGUE. WE DID, WHEN WE SPOKE TO PEOPLE, WE DID SHOW EXAMPLES, UH, WHICH INCLUDE THESE, UH, STRUCTURES OF WHAT IS INCREASINGLY COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T LIKE TO GIVE ADDRESSES OR NAMES. WHAT THIS MAINLY WAS ABOUT IS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO COME IN HERE AND WANNA BUILD LARGE STRUCTURES. ARE WE CRAZY OR DO YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORT US? AND CAN I, WHAT DOES IT SAY? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT THESE PEOPLE RESPONDED TO? UM, THE QUESTION WAS, DO YOU SUPPORT THE BOARD IN, UM, UH, MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY SCALE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD USING THE GUIDELINES THAT AREN'T YET APPROVED, BUT WHAT WE ARE BASICALLY, UH, ENDEAVORING TO USE, UM, WHEN WE EVALUATE PROPERTIES? SO KEEP IT, AND THE, AND THE NEW GUIDELINES YOU'RE CONSIDERING IS, DOES NOT ALLOW SECOND STORY. DOES IT NOT ALLOW TWO STORY GARAGES, BUT DOES ALLOW TWO STORY ADDITIONS TO A HOUSE? IS THAT ACCURATE? THERE ARE WAYS TO DO TWO STORY ADDITIONS ON HOUSES. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE ONE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, WHICH IS SAM GENUS. SAM, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLAKELEY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU AFTER YOUR SPEAKING TIME. SAM GENUS IS CREOLE DESIGN. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE. UH, WE FOLLOW ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN NOR HILL CURRENTLY. UH, WE FO FOLLOW ALL CITY CODE, ALL SETBACKS, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, EVERYTHING. SO WE, WE ARE, UH, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. MATTER OF FACT, I ACTUALLY SENT AN EMAIL TO NOR HILL AND ASKED HIM WHERE DO I, WHERE DO I NOT FOLLOW THE, THE DI DEED RESTRICTIONS? AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE. UM, THE, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY NOR HILL, AND MR. FIBO WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME. LET ME SHOW YOU THOSE. THESE TWO PROJECTS WERE, ARE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET MORE DOCUMENT CAMERA IN FRAME FOOTAGE. AND SO AT AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE 7 31, UH, THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY. THE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE WE'RE ON THE HOUSE AT EIGHT, I THINK THIS ONE WAS 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE. WE'RE AT 4,227 SQUARE FEET. IT, THIS HOUSE WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AGENDA AND IT HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT AND WE, IT, IT DID NOT HAVE SUPPORT FROM NOR HILL. I WENT BACK AFTER GETTING APPROVED. AND THE SECOND ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE WAS STILL 42 27. I JUST CHANGED THE ELEVATION UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THEM, BUT IT'S STILL 4,227 SQUARE FEET. THE CON, UH, CONDITION SPACE WAS 3,129. THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS 26 24 CONDITIONED AREA, AND FRAME FOOTAGE IS 38 0 8. SO IT'S LESS LIKE 400 SQUARE FEET LESS THAN, UH, THAN WHAT'S [01:35:01] UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD. PAM ARE THE TOP TWO EXAMPLES. CORNER LOTS? YES, SIR. ALL OF THESE ARE CORNER LOTS. DO YOU HAVE THE LOT SIZES FOR THOSE? UH, THEY WERE ALL 50 BY HUNDREDS. AND SO THIS IS THE OTHER ONE HERE. THIS WAS AT, UH, 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE AND I DID A STREET VIEW AND I DID A NEIGHBOR VIEW BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THE IMPACT THAT WE MAKE ON THE NEIGHBOR. SO I DID, UH, BOTH VIEWS. THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED AT SEVEN AT, UH, 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE WAS 4,056. FRAMED AREA. WE'RE AT 38 0 8, SO WE'RE SMALLER. UM, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MASSING, HOW THEY LOOK, THE, UM, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE. LET'S SEE HERE, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU, THAT'S THE VIEW. THE ONE, LIKE I SAY, THE ONE UP TOP WAS APPROVED BY NOR HILL AND, AND, UH, WITHOUT ANY PUSHBACK. UM, SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT LAR MUCH LARGER THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, I FOLLOW THE DESIGN GUIDE. I MEAN, NOT DESIGN GUIDE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. I FOLLOW ALL CITY CODE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO. AND I'VE ACTUALLY DESIGNED A HOUSE THAT'S SMALLER AS FAR AS BUILDING OVER THE GARAGE. THE GARAGE IS A, A NON-ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. WHAT NOR HILL WANTED ME TO DO WAS BUILD OVER THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, WHICH I TOLD VIRGINIA AT THE TIME. I SAID, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHY WOULD I DESTROY THAT PERFECTLY GOOD BUNGALOW THAT LOOKS FANTASTIC AND, AND NOT GO OVER THE TOP OF A GARAGE THAT'S NON-ORIGINAL. AND LIKE THE LADY JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, THE GARAGE NEXT DOOR TO THAT FOR THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND US IS A HUGE STRUCTURE. SO IT, IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO, TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UM, WE HAVE, UH, 23, WHAT IS IT, 23 LETTERS OF SUPPORT NOW 24 LETTERS OF SUPPORT ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. AND, UH, ALL IN ALL WITH THE OTHER HOUSE, I THINK WE HAVE CLOSE TO 75 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS. AND THESE ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT, SHOWED THEM THE DRAWINGS, AND MET WITH THE CLIENTS AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE, LIKED OR DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT IT. SO THESE ARE REAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT, NOT A GENERIC THING ABOUT PROPOSED DESIGN GUIDELINES. THANK YOU SAM. YEP. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? YOU DO MR. BLAKELY? I HAVE LIKE A STATEMENT SLASH QUESTION. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF I LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT ARE GIVEN FOR THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMS THAT ONLY ABOUT 400 SQUARE FEET ARE ADDED TO THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE. LET'S SEE. IT'S MAINLY THE REAR ADDITION TO THE SIDE WITH THE, THE SIDE EDITION. I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS PAGE. HO DO ONE SITE PLANS, LET SEE, WE ADDED 400 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THAT'S THE, THE ONE STORY BA MASTER BATHROOM LEVEL. AND THEN ABOVE THE, UH, ABOVE THE GARAGE WE'RE FIVE 50. SO A TOTAL OF NINE 50. DID YOU INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE OR DOES THAT REMAIN THE SAME? THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE AREA ABOVE THE GARAGE AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE? NO, NO, NO. WE DID NOT INCREASE FOOTPRINT IN THE GARAGE. OKAY. THANK, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR. THANK, THANK YOU. I MEAN, I NEED, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS. I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF HORRIFIED THAT, UM, THE OTHERS WERE APPROVED SO THEY'RE BIGGER. UM, ESPECIALLY IF THE LOT SIZE WAS THE SAME BECAUSE THIS ONE ACTUALLY A A AFTER, IT'S, ON THE ONE HAND, I FEEL THAT BY ADDING JUST 400 SQUARE FEET YOU ARE, IT'S A REALLY CONSERVATIVE ENLARGEMENT OF WHAT'S THERE. LIKE I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AT THE SAME TIME, I FIND IT WORRISOME THAT IT TAKES UP HALF THE SITE. UM, IT WILL THEN COVER HALF OF THE LOT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE WHOLE LOT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND WHAT, 62 AND THE HOUSE AND GARAGE COMES TO 36 0 9. SO IT'S JUST OVER HALF THE LOT AREA. WELL ACTUALLY WE'RE AT 51.16% OF PERVIOUS AREA. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WITH THE DRIVEWAY, SIDEWALKS, EVERYTHING. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY PROBABLY, YOU TAKE THE SIDEWALKS AND THE DRIVEWAY OUT, WE'RE PROBABLY LESS THAN 50%. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS WHERE I COME DOWN IS I THINK THAT THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE PROPOSAL FOR THE BIG ENLARGEMENTS THAT ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY COMMON. SO WHILE I WANNA EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT TREND, SO I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. PBO, [01:40:01] UM, I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS LESS EGREGIOUS THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED. AND I THINK IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE AREN'T DOING OURSELVES ANY SORT OF FAVOR BY RE LIKE NOT APPROVING, NOT SUPPORTING THE APPROVAL OF THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SAM. WHILE I, UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN THIS ITEM BUT HAS NOT SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY? APOLOGIZE, I WAS GETTING A, A CLARIFICATION POINT OF ORDER MADE ON SOMETHING AND THERE'S, UH, PEOPLE WHO SPOKE BEFORE THAT WERE ASKING IF THEY CAN SPEAK AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, THEY NORMALLY DO NOT, THEY GET THAT I THINK THE CHAIR IS, I I KNOW WHAT THE SPEAKER RULES. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSION. UM, BUT I WILL SAY, UM, JUST TWO OTHER THINGS JUST FOR DISCUSSION IS ONE IS THAT THE, THE ZAI GUIDELINES, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, STATED BY THE OTHER SPEAKERS, HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED OR APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. UM, CONVERSELY, SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, APPROVALS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN SHOWN HERE ARE LIKELY FROM A PREVIOUS BOARD OF FOLKS FROM NOR HILL. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE NOW REPRESENTING NOAL, UM, I DON'T THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL, ALL WAS ON THE BOARD IN IN THOSE YEARS, BUT NONETHELESS THESE THINGS CHANGE JUST LIKE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION DO AS WELL. BUT ROMAN IS, YOU NEED ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ABOUT THIS? WELL, I JUST WANTED THIS APPLICATION. I WANT TO SAY THAT THE, THAT THE, THE PROJECTS THAT, UM, SAM HAS SHOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMPARING 'EM TO THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY DID GO THROUGH AN EVOLUTION TO GET THERE AND GET THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IS THERE A DISCUSSION OR A MOTION, MR. BLAKELY? I THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER IT SO THAT THEY CAN TALK MORE WITH THE NOR HILL ASSOCIATION TO SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE SO, UH, CONTROVERSIAL. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? MOTION STYLE SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. SO IF THREE AND ANY, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OPPOSED AND LIKELY OPPOSED. SO THAT'S, UM, THREE TO TWO TO, UH, DEFER. SO THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR LAST ITEM 14. THANK YOU CHAIR. WE'VE GOT THE NEW IPADS. I HAVEN'T FIGURED 'EM OUT YET. UM, SO ITEM C 14 IS FOR, UH, AS I SAID EARLIER, A SIMILAR ADDITION. AN ADDITION, UH, THAT'S CONSTRUCTED A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION OVER THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ATTACHED GARAGE AND PARTIALLY OVER THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. ORIGINAL ONE 17 SIDING THAT EXISTS UNDERNEATH THE SYNTHETIC STYLE ASBESTOS STYLE SIDING IS TO BE RESTORED ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. AND, UM, WE'VE RECEIVED ALSO EXTENSIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN THIS ONE AS WELL. THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR REPORT AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NEW RUNNING TOTAL IS ON THOSE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S THE LARGE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS IT, IS IT 30 NOW OR IT'S OVER 50. OH, OKAY. OVER 50 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. YOU HAVE SOME OF THEM IN YOUR REPORT. THE, UH, ITEM IS HERE AT 1101 WEST MELWOOD. THERE'S AN INVENTORY PHOTO ON PAGE FOUR, AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH ON PAGE FIVE, NEXT PAGE. AND THEN HERE, UH, THERE'S YOUR FRONT ELEVATION AS IT IS TODAY. THE OWNERS ARE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY. AND THE, UH, NEXT PAGE PLEASE. THERE'S THE LEFT ELEVATION THAT FACES THE NEIGHBOR. AND THE NEXT PAGE IS THE STREET ELEVATION TO, TO THE, TO THE WEST OR I'M SORRY, IS THAT THE EAST? I GET THIS ONE MIXED UP. IT'S THE EAST, EAST, EAST, THANK YOU . THERE'S THE EAST ELEVATION. OH, YOU'LL NOTE IN THAT EAST ELEVATION TO THE RIGHT, UH, ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE IS A LARGE TWO STORY ADDITION IN GARAGE THERE THAT, UM, VIRGINIA FORMED ME THAT, THAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR A C OF A BACK WHEN THERE WAS A 90 DAY WAIVER. SO THE C OF A WAS DENIED, BUT THEN THE APPLICANTS WERE ABLE TO BUILD THAT AFTERWARDS. SO THERE'S A SATELLITE IMAGE ON PAGE EIGHT THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY LOOKING [01:45:01] DOWN ON THE SITE AT MELWOOD AND NOR HILL BOULEVARD. AND THEN WE HAVE JUST SOME CONTACT OR SOME MORE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF STREET VIEW ON THE NEXT PAGE. UH, KINDA GIVING YOU MORE CONTEXT WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT. AND THEN, UH, WE CAN JUMP DOWN TO THE SANBORN, IF YOU WILL. THAT'S ON PAGE 11, SHOWING AN OLD IMAGE. THAT'S A 1924 TO 51 SANBORN MAP. SO THE, THE BUNGALOW IS THERE LIKE MANY IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM. NEXT PAGE IS BEGINS THE IMAGES OF THE LINE DRAWINGS AND THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION AND THEN THE PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION. ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND THERE WERE SOME CHANGES EARLIER. RE RENDITIONS OF THIS HAD A SECOND FLOOR WALL THAT WAS IN LINE WITH THE WALL BELOW IT. UH, AND UH, SAM WAS SUGGESTED TO BRING THAT WALL IN A LITTLE TO GIVE SOME ARTICULATION TO THAT SIDE ELEVATION AND PULL IT A LITTLE BIT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THEN THE WEST, THE EAST ELEVATION IS ON THE NEXT PAGE. AND INITIALLY AS STAFF, WHEN WE SAW THE LINE DRAWING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PAGE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION, WE HAD SOME RESERVATION, BUT IT WHAT GOT US ON THE FENCE. AND ONCE WE'RE ON THE FENCE THEN WE'RE FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, IS THE WAY WE, WE WE MOVE IS THAT THAT 3D RENDERING SHOWS THAT THE MASSING OF THAT GARAGE IS SEPARATED FROM THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S EASIER TO READ IN THE 3D RENDERING. CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE SO THAT'S CLEAR AND ZOOM IN A LITTLE THERE PLEASE. AND SO YOU GET A SENSE OF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW YOU WOULD READ THAT LINE ELEVATION DRAWING AND THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE. AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE THERE'S A STUDY OF OF OF SHADOW STRUCTURE. THEY'RE SHOWING HOW MUCH LARGER IN ELEVATION, UH, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 3D RENDERING RIGHT BELOW THAT OF THE EAST ELEVATION. AND THEN ONE MORE ELEVATION, UH, STRAIGHT ON OF THE, THE EAST SIDE, UH, IN THE 3D RENDERING. FOLLOWING THAT IN YOUR REPORT, ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOLLOWED BY A LETTER? UH, NOT IN SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND I BELIEVE AFTER THAT THE LINE DRAWINGS AND UM, WELL THEY'RE SIMILAR AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ROMAN. I KNOW WE HAVE AGAIN, A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGN UP TO SPEAK. I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, I'M OPEN UP THE PUBLIC. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING TO GET THEIR INPUT SO WE CAN DELIBERATE ONE TIME. UM, WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE FIRST SPEAKER, WHO IS THE APPLICANT? ALLISON ALEXANDER. OKAY. IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. UH, MARY ALLISON ALEXANDER. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M HERE TODAY AS A 10 YEAR HISTORIC HEIGHTS OWNER. I'M NOT NEW AND I DEEPLY LOVE OUR HOME ON MELWOOD, OUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE ESPLANADE IN A VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD OF NOR HILL. WE'RE NOT PASSING THROUGH. WE'RE HERE TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY TO GROW AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO RAISE OUR FOUR CHILDREN. WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME, WE DIDN'T SEE IT AS A STEPPING ZONE. WE SAW IT AS A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT. WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE CHARACTER. ITS STORY IN THE FEEL OF WALKING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PORCHES ARE STILL USED. FAMILIES GATHER IN THE ESPLANADE ACROSS FROM CHU'S EVENING AND NEIGHBORS WAVE. HELLO. BUT AS OUR FAMILY HAS GROWN, OUR NEEDS HAVE TOO. WITH FOUR CHILDREN, WE'VE SIMPLY RUN OUT OF SPACE. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ISN'T ABOUT FLIPPING A HOUSE FOR PROFIT OR IGNORING ITS HISTORY. IT'S ABOUT ADAPTING A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOME FOR MODERN FAMILY LIFE WHILE PRESERVING WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL. WE PLAN TO RESTORE ALL THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS, INCLUDING THE ONE 17 WOOD SIDING CURRENTLY HIDDEN BENEATH 1960S ASBESTOS. AND WE WANT TO RESTORE ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AT ITS CORE. OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE THIS HOME CONTINUES TO TELL ITS STORY FOR DECADES TO COME WITH JUST ENOUGH ROOM FOR EACH OF OUR KIDS TO HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE OF THEIR OWN. THIS WONDERFUL CORNER OF NOR HILL IS WHERE WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO GROW UP, RIDE THEIR BIKES ALONG WHITE OAK BAYOU AND KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND MAYBE ONE DAY, IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE'LL BRING OUR GRANDCHILDREN HOME TO MELWOOD TOO. IN CLOSING, WE BELIEVE THAT PRESERVING HISTORY AND MAKING SPACE FOR FAMILIES AREN'T OPPOSING GOALS. THEY GO HAND IN HAND. A TRULY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T FROZEN IN TIME. IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING PLACE THAT GROWS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CARE FOR IT, MUCH LIKE A GARDEN. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO CARE FOR THIS HOME, WATER IT SO IT CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE AND GROW FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU. THANK [01:50:01] YOU. HEARING NO QUESTIONS. UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM IS VIRGINIA KELSEY. I'M BACK. UM, I'M VIRGINIA KELSEY, THE VP OF DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR NOR HILL. UM, FOR THE CONTEXT AREA, THERE ARE NO TWO STORY HOUSES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. THERE ARE NO TWO STORY GARAGES. THIS RESIDENCE HAD ALREADY HAD A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION, WHICH MEANS THAT A SHALL APPROVE CANNOT BE GRANTED. SO FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, A TWO STORY ISSUE ADDITION, YOU COULD SAY IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER, IT'S ALREADY HAD OTHER ADDITIONS IN THE CONTEXT AREA. THE LARGEST RESIDENCE IS JUST UNDER 2000 SQUARE FEET. THIS PROPERTY, THE NEXT LARGEST IS LISTED ON HCA AS 1707. THAT SAID, I AGREE AS DRAWN, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS 1523. THE ADDITION IS LISTED AT 10 82 FOR A TOTAL OF 26 0 5 OR A 0.52 FAR FLOOR AREA RATIO. BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE 156 SQUARE FOOT SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR LABELED STORAGE, THE DRAWINGS SUBMITTED TO US SHOWED A PAIR OF DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS IN THE ROOM. I NOTE ONLINE FOR THE SUBMITTAL THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THE SPACE CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL MASSING AS IT DOES, ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE A SLOPE CEILING. IT IS INCLUDED IN THE MASS AND THAT WOULD BRING IT TO A FAR A 0.55. THE NOR HILL GUIDELINES HAVE A FAR A 0.45. THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS GUIDELINES HAVE A FAR A 0.46 OR 2300 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE A DATABASE OF ALL PROPERTIES IN NOR HILL. OF THE 940 RESIDENCES THAT ARE LISTED 29 PROPERTIES OR 3% HAVE A FAR OVER 0.45. OF THOSE ONLY 14 PROPERTIES ARE 1.5%. MOTION GRANT SPEAKER, ONE MORE MINUTE AT A TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. HAVE A FAR OVER 0.49 AND I KNOW A FEW OF THOSE ARE MIGHT BE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING GARAGE IS 14 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED 20 FEET. IT IS FORWARD OF THE MAIN BODY OF THE HOUSE BY FOUR FEET. SO THE LARGE ONE AND A HALF STORY GARAGE ELEMENT IS PERHAPS THE MOST DOMINANT FEATURE ON THE HOUSE. IT HAS ALSO HAS A 10 AND 12 PITCH, WHICH IS NOT AT ALL FOUND IN NOR HILL. NO SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED, BUT IT APPEARS FROM THE NOTATION ON THE DRAWING THAT THE GARAGE OF WHICH THE SECOND STORY IS BEING ATTACHED IS ONLY 13 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. AS STATED IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION, THE RESIDENTS HAVE NOR HILL HAS SPOKEN AND THE PROJECT THAT THAT'S THANK YOU. MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER ANOTHER MINUTE. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION A SECOND FOR THAT? I'LL SECOND. SECOND CURRY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, PLEASE PROCEED. OKAY, I'LL MAKE A QUICK, UM, THANK YOU THAT THE, UM, THE PEOPLE OF NOR HILL HAS VOTED FOR THIS 18.8 FEET, BUT THE TWO RESIDENCES ARE OPPOSITE DIAGONAL CORNERS. AND THE ONE THAT SAM REFERENCED IS WHY THE CURRENT GUIDELINES MOTION THE OUTROAR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS COME INTO BEING. IT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT HOUSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM IS LAWRENCE FIBO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS LAWRENCE FIBO NOR HILL. UH, IT IS BENEATH THE, UM, COMMISSION AND EVERYONE HERE TO TURN THIS INTO A PEOPLE'S COURT. AND I WILL NOT DO THAT. BUT I FEEL THAT I MUST DEFEND DECISIONS BY PREVIOUS BOARDS. VIRGINIA IS CORRECT. WE ARE HERE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNED THAT SURVEY BECAUSE OF THESE HOUSES. I WAS PRESIDENT FOR TWO YEARS AND BOTH OF THE TIMES WHEN THESE WERE SUBMITTED, UH, WE DID NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH. AND IF YOU THINK THEY ARE LARGE AND YOU THINK IT'S A SHAME, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN [01:55:01] THEM BEFORE WE NEGOTIATED. NOTHING GETS APPROVED WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE WHEN WE REQUEST A DEFERRAL. WE HAVE NOT BEEN AFFORDED THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, FINALLY, UM, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THIS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE NEW HOMEOWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ON REDFIN IT SAYS THAT THIS WAS PURCHASED BACK IN MAY 20TH, 2024. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THE AIR A BIT ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARY SCHULTZ. OH, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. MARY SCHULTZ, UH, NOR HILL ASSOCIATION BOARD. UM, I AM SPEAKING TO THE, I HAVE SOME POINTS TO MAKE ABOUT THESE COLLECTION OF SURVEYS. UM, AND, UH, WHAT I'M GOING TO, UH, COMMUNICATE TO YOU OR COMMENTS FROM ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER WHO COULD NOT BE HERE. VIOLA TORGERSON. AND SHE WROTE DOWN HER OBSERVATION. SHE SAID THAT ON SATURDAY, APRIL 26TH, I WAS WALKING WESTBOUND ON TEMPLE STREET WHEN I WAS APPROACHED BY A MAN AND HIS DAUGHTER WITH A CLIPBOARD. THE MAN ASKED IF I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN I INDICATED I DID. HE, THE MAN WHO DIDN'T GIVE HIS NAME SAID HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO COLLECT 40 SIGNATURES ON A PETITION ABOUT HIS HOME RENOVATION. HE SAID THE NOR HILL BOARD ASKED ME TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR MY PROJECT. HE WAS VERY SURPRISED AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED. AND CONSIDERING I'M A, UH, CONSIDER, I SAID I WAS SURPRISED CONSIDERING I'M A CURRENT AND PAST BOARD MEMBER, I IDENTIFIED MYSELF THAT WAY AND, UM, TOLD HIM THAT I WAS NOT, UH, THAT I WAS A MEMBER OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS COMMITTEE. THAT I WAS NOT AN MEMBER OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS COMMITTEE. I TOLD HIM I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE SIGNING WHEN I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE LETTER HE ASKED ME TO SIGN DID NOT HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE LETTER SAID THAT SIGNERS REVIEWED, SUBMITTED MATERIALS, END QUOTE, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MATERIALS WITH HIM AS HE WAS COLLECTING SIGNATURES. HE TOLD ME HE COULD SEND ME INFORMATION, BUT I ASSURED HIM THAT I SURE I COULD GET TO IT THROUGH, UH, THE BOARD. I ASKED HIM HOW MANY SQUARE FEET HIS HOUSE CURRENTLY WAS AND HOW MANY SQUARE FEET HE WAS GOING TO ADD. HE TOLD ME IT WAS CURRENTLY 1500 SQUARE FEET AND HE WAS ADDING LESS THAN 1000 SQUARE FEET TO GIVE OR TAKE, AND THAT THEY WERE BUILDING OVER AT THE ATTACHED GARAGE AND IT WOULD BE AROUND 2,400 SQUARE FEET. WHEN COMPLETED, I TOLD HIM I'D BE HAPPY TO KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AND SIGN WHATEVER HE HAD AFTER I HAD CHECKED WITH THE DOCUMENTS, UH, HE THEN INTRODUCED HIMSELF AND GAVE HIS NAME AS PATRICK MOTION AGAINST SPEAKER. ONE MORE MINUTE OF TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? JURY SECONDS. JURY SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. ONE MORE PARAGRAPH. AFTER MY CONVERSATION WITH PATRICK, I FOUND OUT NO ONE ON THE BOARD OR THE DEED RESTRICTION COMMITTEE HAD ASKED HIM TO GET THESE SIGNATURES AND THAT HIS PROJECT SIZE AND SCOPE AS HE DESCRIBED IT WAS MISLEADING. UH, I HAVE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE REPORT THESE MISLEADING CONVERSATIONS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS. AND THAT CONCLUDES HER COMMENTS. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KAREN STOKES. HELLO. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, AS A NEW BOARD MEMBER, I AM ASTONISHED AT THIS, UM, PETITION PROCESS THAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. WE ARE ACTUALLY A VERY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN BEING ENEMIES WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THE BOARD IS WORKING IN GOOD FAITH ON GUIDELINES THAT WE ALL CONTRIBUTED TO OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. AND THAT MASS AND PROPORTION, JUST LIKE THE CORTLAND STREET HOUSE WAS DISCUSSED ACTUALLY MATTER IN THE SCALE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO REALLY THE TWO HOUSES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY THAT ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BEING DISCUSSED BECAUSE OF THE MASS AND PROPORTION. AND AS VIRGINIA MENTIONED, THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE GIVEN BY SAM ARE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THERE'S STRONG WILL AMONGST A LOT OF NEIGHBORS. WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED SIGNATURES IN 24 HOURS AFTER SEEING THAT THERE WAS 40 SIGNATURES IN ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS. WE JUST SAID, OKAY, WELL LET'S SEE IF PEOPLE SUPPORT US AS THE BOARD TO REPRESENT [02:00:01] WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US THEY WANT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WE JUST WENT OUT AND GOT A HUNDRED, I THINK SIGNATURES SAY, HEY, DO YOU SUPPORT THE GUIDELINES AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED? THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTED YET, BUT DO YOU SUPPORT THAT? AND DO YOU SUPPORT OUR AUTHORITY AS AN ELECTED BOARD TO TRY TO DO, NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH WHAT WE CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT IS VALUABLE TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THE PETITIONS, I THINK IN SOME SENSE DON'T REALLY REPRESENT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A SAMPLING THAT WE CAN ALL GO OUT AND GET SOME PETITIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA DO THAT. BUT REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS? WHAT IS THE SCALE AND MASS AND PROPORTION THAT IS BEING REQUESTED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD STARTED AS 1100 SQUARE FOOT OR UNDER BUNGALOWS? SO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE EXPANDED THAT AND WE THINK TO THE DETRIMENT OF THEIR HISTORIC NATURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SAM NUIS. OKAY. SAM GENIS CREO DESIGN, UM, NOR NOR HILL HAS SHOWN NO, UH, UH, EFFORT WHATSOEVER TO NEGOTIATE WITH US ON THIS HOUSE. AND NONE. NONE. AND AND SO FOR THEM TO STAND UP HERE AND ACT LIKE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT IS JUST CRAZY. UH, WE, WE FOLLOW ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE, THE CITY GUY, UH, ALL THE CITY CODE SETBACKS, EVERYTHING WE FOLLOW, WE FOLLOW ALL THE RULES. AND, AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, THE PRO HERE'S THE PROJECT UP HERE NOW THAT WE HAD APPROVED, IT WAS 4,056 SQUARE FEET THAT WE GOT APPROVED ON, ON 1 22. AND NOW WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LESS THAT WE, THAT WE'RE FIGHTING TO GET APPROVED. AND SO THE HOUSE IS NOT OVERLY LARGE AT ALL. IT'S 2,677 SQUARE FEET. AND I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THE OTHER HOUSES ARE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET. UM, IF, IF A CLIENT WANTS TO ADD ONTO THEIR HOUSE AND THEY DO IT PER THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THEY DO IT PER CITY CODE, THAT THAT SHOULD ALL WE, THAT SHOULD BE BE ALL WE HAVE TO DO. AND, AND WE HAVE OVER 53 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS HOUSE. AND THOSE LETTERS ARE, WERE DONE BY THE OWNER ON LAST, NOT LAST WEEKEND, BUT WEEKEND BEFORE LAST WITH, WITH THE DRAWINGS TO EACH NEIGHBOR AND GOING THROUGH THE, GOING THROUGH THE DRAWINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS HAVE 54 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. AND, AND I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU CAN THAT'S WITHIN A FIVE BLOCK RADIUS OF HER HOUSE. I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. WE FOLLOWED ALL THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE. WE FOLLOWED ALL THE CITY CODE. I MEAN, I, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SAM. THERE'S A QUESTION. UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, UH, UH, SAM, I'M LOOKING AT A LETTER FROM THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DATED MAY THE SECOND THAT SAID THAT YOU SUBMITTED THE PLANS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEY RESPONDED IN A LETTER. DO YOU, DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT LETTER? YES, I DID. AND, AND SO WHEN YOU SAY THEY MADE NO EFFORT TO NEGOTIATE, I, I'M TRYING TO COMPREHEND THE TWO SIDES OF THE STORY THAT I'M SEEING RIGHT HERE. I EMAILED BACK AND SAID, WHERE, TELL ME WHERE IN THE DEED, IN THE DEED, CURRENT DEED RESTRICTIONS WE VIOLATE OR WHERE WE VIOLATE ANYTHING IN CITY CODE NEVER HEARD BACK. AND, AND THE IDEA THAT, AND AND ON THE OTHER HOUSE, 7 31, THAT WAS, YOU JUST DEFERRED. I DROPPED THE PITCH OF THAT ROOF A FOOT AND I MADE THE DORMER LIKE SIX FOUR FOOT SMALLER BECAUSE VIRGINIA SAID THAT'S WHAT SHE, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE WANTED ME TO DO, WHICH I DID. AND ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS, WHEN Y'ALL SIT AND DISCUSS HOUSING, I MOVE THE WALL IN. WE, WE, WE MADE EVERY SINGLE ADJUSTMENT THAT THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ASK US TO MAKE ON THESE PARTICULAR HOUSES. AND THERE'S, THERE'S, I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S NO, WE MEET ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE DENIED. AND, AND, AND THE, THE RESPONSE FROM, UH, MS. KELSEY STATING THAT THE 10 ON 12 ROOF PITCH OVER THE GARAGE BEING SUBSTANTIALLY STEEPER THAN THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON? IT'S TOUGH TO NEGOTIATE ON THAT. 'CAUSE WE, UH, WHAT MAKES THAT ROOF PITCH, SO PETE TALL IS WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT PONY WALL. WE'RE NOT DOING A FULL, FULL HEIGHT WALL ON THE GARAGE 'CAUSE WE WANT THE GARAGE TO NOT BE SO DOMINANT. SO WE REDUCE THE WALL HEIGHT AND IT'S ONLY FIVE FEET AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ROOF PITCH. MATTER OF FACT, UH, NOR HILL TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE WORKING ON, UH, HAVING, UH, STORY AND A HALF GARAGES, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON BOTH THESE DRAWINGS IS A STORY AND A HALF GARAGE. AND THESE HOUSES ALREADY HAD THE GARAGES ATTACHED. SO THEY WERE ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT CASE, [02:05:01] IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN A DETACHED GARAGE AND AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, I'D NEVER BE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THAT. I WOULD'VE TOLD MY CLIENT RIGHT THERE, WE CAN'T DO IT. BUT THESE WERE ALREADY ATTACHED. IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BUILD OVER THE TOP OF THE, UH, NON-ORIGINAL GARAGE THAN TO TEAR UP THE HOUSE. TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS NOT LOGICAL AND WE FOLLOW ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND WE FOLLOW ALL CITY CODE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DENY US ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. I DON'T WANNA BE DEFERRED. I I I DON'T WANNA APPEAL IT. SO IF Y'ALL WANT, I DON'T WANNA BE DEFERRED. PLEASE DON'T DEFER ME. I MEAN, I, I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS THAT I FOLLOW ALL CITY CODE AND, AND I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GO MOVE FORWARD. THANKS SAM. THANK YOU SAM. ALRIGHT, ANY, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER, ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT HAS NOT CURRENTLY SIGNED UP THAT HEARING? I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I WOULD ASK, WE BRING THE PICTURES BACK UP OF THE, UM, OF THE HOME. JUST LIKE I THINK THE DRAWINGS OF THE HOME AND IN THE RENDERINGS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. AND I GUESS, UH, ROMAN, IF JUST, UM, HAVE MANY SPEAKERS, COULD YOU JUST RESTATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM? STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM AND IT AT THE, YOU KNOW, IT, I CAN ALMOST HEAR SOMEONE ASKING WHY. AND THE ANSWER IS CONTEXT. AND I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT, THIS IS REALLY IN A MISSING INGREDIENT TO, TO THINGS HERE. IT, I IT IS CONTEXT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND OF THIS HOUSE AND, AND THE, AND THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT, OR SPECIFICALLY THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH THAT WAS CREATED AFTER THE 90 DAY WAIVER PERIOD. UM, AND THEN THERE'S A TWO STORY EDITION ACROSS THE SIDE STREET AS WELL. AND, UM, JUST WANNA SAY THAT, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, THE IDEA THAT PASSAGE OF THIS IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM WOULD SOMEHOW CREATE A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. IT'S NOT COMMON THAT THERE'S THE ATTACHED ONE CAR GARAGE, NON-ORIGINAL ON THE HOUSE. AND AS, UM, SAM POINTED OUT, HE WOULDN'T BE, HE WOULDN'T HAVE DESIGNED IT IN THIS WAY. UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT AGAIN, WE, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT TO A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON THESE ITEM, ON THESE TWO ITEMS. ROMAN, MY QUESTION FOR YOU, I'D LIKE RIGHT NOW WHAT'S UP IS THE ELEVATION WITH THE GARAGE, UH, FACING DOOR AND THE PERSPECTIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WHICH THE, THE KEY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS ELEVATION IS JUST THAT THE CONNECTING PIECE BETWEEN WHAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE THE, THE TWO STORY ADDITION OVER THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE REAR, UM, GARAGE FORM IS RECESSED QUITE, QUITE A BIT. SO THAT IT, AS YOU SAID WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER, IT'S, IT APPEARS TO BE A DETACHED GARAGE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF, UM, AT LEAST THERE'S A PRETTY GENEROUS RECESSED AREA ON THAT SIDE. NOW THAT CANNOT BE SAID OF THE OTHER ELEVATION, WHICH MAY NOT BE AS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I MEAN, WAS THERE ANY APPETITE TO, ON THE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, IF WE GO TO THAT, I GUESS MORE, I'LL SAY THIS MORE SLIGHTLY RECESSED THE OTHER SIDE TO HAVE A SIMILAR, UM, RELATIONSHIP OF FORM FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. YES. HERE WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT ELEVATION BELOW AND UH, SAM DID WORK WITH US AND CHANGE THAT ELEVATION AND BRING THAT SECOND FLOOR IN. I DUNNO IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN THERE OR THE LINE DRAWING TOO, BUT, UH, BELOW, BUT GO DOWN. THERE YOU GO. UM, THAT IMAGE. BUT, UM, THERE IS A, UH, INSET PORTION. IS IT 12 OR SEVEN? IT'S ACTUALLY SEVEN FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT INSET. AND THAT INSET PORTION THOUGH IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY A FOOT INSET OR IT'S A, IT'S A FOOT INSET ABOUT A FOOT INSET, INSET ON THAT SECOND FLOOR, CREATING THAT, WHICH BRINGS THAT G THE ROOF OF THAT GABLE ALL THE WAY DOWN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL ON IT. UM, SO SO THAT'S THE, THE, THE ELEMENT THAT'S INSET ONE FOOT IS THE ELEMENT BEHIND THE SECOND STORY MASS THAT HAS THE DOUBLE DOUBLE WINDOW IN IT, RIGHT? YES, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEHIND THAT MASS. YES. CAN YOU GO TO THE LINE DRAWING PLEASE ON THAT? IT WOULD BE A, JUST EITHER A PAGE FORWARD OR BACK. UH, YOU ZOOM OUT AND MAYBE YOU CAN FIND THE LINE DRAWING FOR THE, UH, OTHER ELEVATION. THERE IT IS. AND I'M SORRY, DID THAT ONE BELOW, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN THERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT HAPPENS. I, I HAVE A QUESTION. ROMAN, YOUR COUCH. SO FOR THE GARAGE IT'S GOT A REALLY HIGH PLATE HEIGHT. IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THE PLATE HEIGHT LIKE [02:10:01] MORE LIKE A REGULAR HEIGHT SO THAT THE BACK ADDITION, THE ROOM OVER THE GARAGE CAN BE LOWER? 'CAUSE THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW THE PLATE HEIGHT IS LIKE 10 FOOT EIGHT ABOVE THE GROUND. IT'S, IT'S LIKE REALLY HIGH 'CAUSE IT MATCHES THE HOUSE. BUT COULD, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REFRAME THE WHOLE ROOF OF THE GARAGE 'CAUSE THEY CUT THE STUDS AND JUST HAVE A EIGHT FOOT HIGH GARAGE AND THEY GET IT DOWN TWO MORE FEET. COULD YOU GET, COULD YOU DO THAT? NO. YOU, IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION. WELL I, I HAVE TO HAVE THE ARCHITECT HERE. I, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RIP THE ROOF OFF THE GARAGE AND RECONSTRUCT IT. SO THEY'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF FRAMING IN THAT GARAGE. COULDN'T, I MEAN WE COULD REDUCE IT TO WHATEVER YOU WANTED, BUT EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT CEILING IS NOT, YOU CAN BARELY GET A SUBURBAN IN THERE. SO WE'D HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOOR TYPICALLY. AND SO WE COULD REDUCE THAT TO NINE FOOT AND GET THE PITCH DOWN AND I CAN WORK TO TRY TO GET THE PITCH DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ROOF. UH, IF, IF, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A STIPULATION. BUT IT'S PRETTY TIGHT WHEN YOU GO UP THERE. IT'S GOT A FIVE FOOT WALL AND THEN IT PITCHES UP THAT WAY. I, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS EXISTING GARAGE DOOR AND JUST ON THE DRAWING IT LOOKS LIKE A SEVEN FOOT HIGH DOOR TO ME. I CAN'T TELL. IT DOESN'T HAVE A DIMENSION. SO IT'S NOT AN EIGHT FOOT, IS IT EIGHT FOOT DOOR NOW? NO, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A SEVEN FOOT DOOR NOW. SO DO THEY WANNA RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR? YEAH, MOST FOLKS DO BECAUSE IT SAYS EXISTING GARAGE DOOR. YEAH. MOST FOLKS WANT AN EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOOR THESE DAYS FOR SUBURBAN. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE, I JUST HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOOR, SO, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN PARK IN THE GARAGE. BUT ANYWAYS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA HEIGHT IN THAT GARAGE THAT'S JUST EXTRA SPACE THAT COULD BE SHRUNK DOWN. I, I'LL WORK HARD TO GET IT DOWN. UH, I JUST NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO HAVE LIVING SPACE, YOU KNOW, MOVEABLE RIGHT. MOVE AROUND. PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET THAT THIS IS A ONE STORY GARAGE BUILT CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN ALLOWED, THAN IS ALLOWED. SO IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S A NINE FOOT PLATE HEIGHT ON THE GARAGE, IT'S HOW CLOSE TO THE STREET IT IS. I DON'T IF, IF THAT WORKS FOR THE COMMISSION, THAT TO ME REDUCING THE BULK OF THE GARAGE WOULD MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO ME. 'CAUSE IT JUST LOOKS, THE PROPORTIONS ARE AWKWARD THE WAY IT'S SO TALL WITH THAT LITTLE PIECE OF ROOF GOING THERE SO HIGH ABOVE THE DOOR. I, LIKE I SAY, I, I WORK TO GET THE, THE RIDGE OF THAT GARAGE DOWN. IT MAY ENTAIL RAISING THE PONY WALL FROM FIVE TO SIX FEET TO GIVE MYSELF HEADROOM TO DROP THE OVERALL PITCH. AND, AND I'M HAPPY, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT. UH, AND IT'S JUST, WELL I GUESS WHAT I KEEP SAYING IS TO MAKE THE GARAGE JUST HAVE A EIGHT FOOT PLATE HEIGHT, LIKE A REGULAR GARAGE RATHER THAN THIS 10 FOOT EIGHT PLATE HEIGHT THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS. THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE GARAGE. YES. I, I THINK YEAH. YEAH. NOT THE SECOND FLOOR. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PART WHERE THE CARS GO FIRST. OKAY. EIGHT FOOT'S TOUGH. NINE. UH, YES, I COULD DO NINE VERSUS WHAT THE 10 THAT'S SHOWN HERE. IT'S LIKE, YES SIR. 10 FOOT EIGHT RIGHT NOW. YES SIR. SO THAT'D BE ALMOST TWO FEET LOWER. COULD BE. I'D PROBABLY GET A FOOT OUT OF THAT AND I COULD PROBABLY GET A, A NINE, MAYBE, MAYBE MORE OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF BY RAISING MY, MY SIDEWALL A LITTLE BIT. I AGREE. IT'D BE A LOT MORE PALABLE TO LOWER THE, TO TO LOWER THE RIDGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THE PLATE, THE FIVE OR SIX FOOT ON THE PONY WALLS. YEAH. NOT THE MOST EGREGIOUS. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. ONE, ONE THING THOUGH THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS THE MECHANICALS, RIGHT? WE'RE GETTING THESE ROOF PITCHES SO LOW ON THESE 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE RIDGE HEIGHT DOWN AND IT REALLY MAKES IT TOUGH ON THE MECHANICALS BETWEEN THE CONNECTING PIECE BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE GARAGE IS A FOUR AND 12 PITCH. BOY, ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT IS TOUGH. AND, AND SO, UH, I ANTICIPATED THAT WE'D PUT MOST OF THE MECHANICALS ABOVE THE MAIN HOUSE AND, AND THEN RUN JUST DUCT WORK BACK THROUGH THAT. AND SO I COULD DROP THAT PITCH TO PROBABLY THREE AND 12 AND THEN DROP THE OVERALL RIDGE HEIGHT OF THAT GARAGE A LITTLE BIT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY CLIENTS A FANTASTIC CLIENT. THEY'RE, THEY, THEY JUST WANT TO GET, THEY JUST WANNA GET THEIR HOUSE. YEAH, I'M STILL JUST SAYING MAKE THE PART WHERE THE CARS ARE LOWER AND THEN THE WHOLE GARAGE GETS SHORTER. CORRECT. YOUR SECOND FLOOR CAN BE THE SAME HEIGHT AND IT'LL BE TWO FEET LOWER THAN IT IS NOW. MR. CASH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE, IN WHAT'S ABOVE THE GARAGE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE ADDITION? YES. YES. THERE WOULD BE TWO STEPS OR WHATEVER TO GO DOWN THERE. AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY FROM SAM THE RIDGE, UM, OVER THE SECOND FLOOR HOME ADDITION AS IT CONNECTS INTO THE GARAGE PROTECTED ROOF, WOULD THAT WOULD ALSO, UH, YOU WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN YES, SIR. AND SLOPE SLIGHTLY SO IT COULD RIDE DOWN WITH THE RIGHT I NEED TO THE RIDGE IN ORDER FOR IT TO HIT PROPERLY ON THE GARAGE. RIGHT. UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TRY TO PASS NOW [02:15:01] INSTEAD OF HAVING HIM APPEAL IT. WELL, I CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, WELL THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRY TO LOWER THE PLATE OF THE GARAGE. I, I I NEED CAN, CAN I CLARIFY THAT? UH, I MOVE THAT WE, THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL BASED ON LOWERING THE EXISTING GARAGE PLATE HEIGHT TO NINE FEET AND THE PONY WALL OF THE GARAGE ROOM UPSTAIRS UP TO SIX FEET. BUT ONLY IF THAT MAKES THE BULK OF THE GARAGE SHORTER. IT WILL, IT WILL, I'LL CHANGE THE PITCH ON THE ROOF THEN. COULD WE JUST SAY AS A CONDITION THAT THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE PORTION NEEDS TO BE LOWERED BY WHATEVER MEANS, WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE LOWERING THE FLOOR PLATE, LOWERING THE RIDGE HEIGHT, QUANTIFY IT, SAY, SAY TWO FEET MINIMUM IF WE THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE AND ACCEPTABLE. TWO, I THINK TWO FEET'S GONNA BE TOUGH, BUT I MEAN I'LL GIVE YOU MY BEST SHOT, BUT JUST SAY TWO FEET. ONE FOOT NINE. CAN YOU DO ONE FOOT NINE, ONE FOOT SIX, ONE FOOT NINE? I THINK IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT IN THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A NUMBER. I WANT TWO FEET. I DO TWO. I THINK YOU CAN DO TWO FEET. I THINK YOU CAN DO TWO FEET. IF I CAN, I WILL. WELL I WILL MEAN IT'S A CONDITION OF THE VOTE THEN THAT'LL BE A CONDITION. ALRIGHT, SO I'M JUST GOING TO, I JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO I'M DOING THE MATH. IF, IF WE CAN LOWER THE RIDGE HEIGHT BY TWO FEET AND, AND THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THE GARAGE TO NINE FEET, THAT'S ONE FOOT YOU WOULD, UM, YOU, YOU AND THEY'RE OFFERING YOU A SIX FOOT PONY, HALL WIDE. SO THE, THE PONY, THE THE PLATE FOR THE PONY WALL WOULD NOT CHANGE FROM WHERE IT IS IN THESE DRAWINGS. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. IF, IF ONE DROPS TO NINE AND BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RAISE TO SIX, THE PLATE HEIGHT DOESN'T CHANGE. BUT THEY'RE ASKING COULD WITH, WITH THAT CHANGE, COULD YOU LOWER THE RIDGE HEIGHT BY TWO FEET THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING OFFERED? I IF I CHANGE THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THE GARAGE, THAT'S ONE FOOT. I HAVE ONE MORE FOOT TO, TO MAKE UP SOMEWHERE. BUT, BUT YOU PICK UP IF YOU, IF YOU LOWER THAT PLATE, YOU'VE JUST, YOU'VE JUST, AND YOU DON'T CHANGE THE PLATE HEIGHT ABOVE YOU, BUT BUT RIGHT NOW THE GARAGE PLATE HEIGHT IS 10 FOOT EIGHT ABOVE THE GROUND. OKAY. HE SAID RIGHT. HE'S, IT'S, HE'S ADDING THE ONE FOOT EIGHT OF THE HOUSE PLUS NINE FEET SO HE CAN LOWER IT. IF HE LOWERS IT TO NINE FEET ABOVE THE ACTUAL CONCRETE OF THE GARAGE, IT'LL BE LOWER THAN THAT. OKAY. I MEAN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE FLOOR SYSTEM BETWEEN THE, UH, GARAGE AND THE, AND THE SECOND FLOOR TO A TWO BY 12 GONNA MORE YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 18 INCHES MORE. I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN DO TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE TWO FOOT AS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING TWO FOOT'S A LOT. UH, I THINK, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET THERE. I HAVE FAITH IN YOU . WELL, THANK YOU. WELL MY AMENDMENT, MY MY MOTION READS THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS LOWERED BY TWO FEET. YES. MINIMUM YES. BLAKELY SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, SO, UH, SAVA OPPOSES AND THE REST ARE AFFIRMATIVE AND THERE ARE NO ABSTENTIONS. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. SO I'M USE RESTROOM. UM, WE, WE COULD TAKE A SMALL FIVE MINUTE BREAK IF YOU LIKE. WE CAN TAKE A SMALL FIVE MINUTE BREAK. NEED THAT LONG? I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE I'M GONNA BREAK QUORUM RIGHT NOW. THAT'S FINE. SO FOR COMMENTS, IT DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO. I'LL DEFER THE DEPUTY CHAIR, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMENTS WILL NEED, NEED TO HAVE QUORUM. WE'LL LIVE WITH THAT PLEASE. OKAY. SO, UM, ROMAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO STATE OR YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL YOUR PRESENTATION OR YOUR YOUR NO, I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE AGENDA. WHATEVER'S NEXT. UH, SO NEXT IS ITEM D COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. YEAH. MEMBERS THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION PLEASE. COMM VIRGINIA. AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR, FOR THE RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE. I'M, I'M VIRGINIA KELSEY, UM, NOR HILL. UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT, I'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT, WELL, FIRST QUESTION IS I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S TWO ISSUES. ONE ISSUE ABOUT CONTEXT AREA. I THOUGHT THAT THE COMMISSION WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING ALL PLANS WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA. THE CONTEXT AREA DEFINED AS THE STREET THAT IT'S ON AND THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE TODAY IGNORES THE CONTEXT AREA. THAT'S [02:20:01] POINT NUMBER ONE. THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE. SECOND, THIS, UM, WE APPROVED AND THE BOARD APPROVED 10 11 WEST COTTAGE AND WE APPROVED IT WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND RETAINING THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE. THE OWNER WHO'S A DEVELOPER REMOVED ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND THREW THEM AWAY AND PUT IN CLAD WINDOWS. AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR THEY PUT IN VINYL WINDOWS. I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE ATTENTION OF THE UM, HOP AND I WAS TOLD THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND APPROVE IT. AND HOW, WHY IS THIS, WHY ARE WE NOW APPROVING VINYL WINDOWS IN A HISTORIC HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SLANTED BUSINESS THAT ARE TRUE CHEAP VINYL WINDOWS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OR, OR, OR JUST ME MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. SORRY, WE WE'RE, OKAY, I'LL CLOSE, CLOSE THAT AND OPEN UP COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC. DO, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NOR HILL? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED THEM SECOND. CAN YOU ANSWER THAT TERRANCE OR, OR, OR ROMAN, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE, THE, THE QUESTION WAS WHEN, WHEN DO WE THINK THE GUIDELINES FOR NOEL WILL COME BEFORE THIS BODY? UH, FOR, FOR COMMENT AND POSSIBLE REFERRAL TO CITY COUNCIL? OKAY, SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO PLACE A DATE ON THAT, BUT THE, THERE WILL BE A SURVEY. THE, THE NOR HILL RESIDENTS WILL BE RESURVEYED. RIGHT NOW THE PLAN, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES GO OUT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK TO WEEK AND A HALF. AND THEN NORMALLY WHEN WE SURVEY, WE LET THE RES, WE TAKE ABOUT, WE LET IT, THE SURVEY SIT FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS. AND THEN ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO EDIT THE GUIDELINES IF NECESSARY AND THEN THEY WILL COME TO YOU AFTER THAT. SO, AND, BUT THESE, BUT THE SURVEY HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, HAS IT NOT? RIGHT. WE'VE SURVEYED TWICE AND WE ARE GOING TO RESURVEY BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT'S COME IN SINCE THAT LAST SURVEY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IS OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S JUST, I MEAN, DUE PROCESS, WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING OUT BEFORE THEY APPROVE SOMETHING. THE SURVEY THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS SURVEY, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, THAT THAT WILL BE ADDED. SO, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YES, IT WILL BE THE SAME WITH PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT RADICALLY. NO SIR. NO SIR. NOT AT ALL. AND THE SURVEY WILL INCLUDE THE EXPLANATION ADMINISTRATION, MICROPHONE, MICROPHONE. OH, THANK YOU. I WAS ASKING THAT, UM, THIS, THIS LATEST SURVEY WILL INCLUDE THE EXPLANATION THAT IT'S A NEW ADMINISTRATION YES SIR. AND THEREFORE, UH, A NEW SURVEY WITH WITH ABSOLUTELY. WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. PERHAPS THAT'S CORRECT. SO I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH THE WHOLE TIMELINE, IS IT? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE'RE PLANNING TO, UM, WITHIN A WEEK TO A WEEK AND A HALF ISSUE OUT THE NEW SURVEY. AND THEN ONCE THE SURVEY GOES OUT 30 DAYS FROM THAT DATE THAT IT GOES OUT, UM, WE WILL SHUT THE SURVEY DOWN AND REVIEW THE RESULTS. ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO, TO EDIT THE DE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IF NECESSARY. AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU GUYS. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO SAY 45 DAYS, 50 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE TIMELINE. IT'S A MOVING TARGET. UM, BUT WE ARE PLANNING ONCE THE, ONCE THIS COMMISSION IS OVER, UM, I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO GET THE NEW SURVEY OUT AND THEN ONCE WE GET IT, LIKE SAY TWO MONTHS AND WE APPROVE IT, THEN IT'LL, IT WILL GO TO, UH, IT WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE UH, CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN CITY COUNCIL WILL PUT IT ON. SO I MEAN THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO GET A TIMELINE ON IT BECAUSE WE COULD GIVE IT TO CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW AND THEY MIGHT NOT PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA UNTIL NEXT MONTH. SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO REVIEW. SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD AND THAT'S WHY WE SAY IT'S A MOVING TARGET. MR. STAVES QUESTION, SO, UH, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE OLD SIX WARDS? UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES RIGHT NOW, THE OLD SIX WARD DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE IN DRAFT MODE. [02:25:01] UM, STAFF MEMBER LILLIAN THAW WAS WORKING ON THOSE, BUT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A FEW YEARS. THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. BUT UM, WE HAD A MEETING WITH UH, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER BECAUSE I WAS, THIS IS NOT, I'M NOT THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS. BEEN THE PROJECT MANAGER'S NOT HERE. UM, BUT MR. STAFF MEMBER LILIENTHAL HAD A MEETING WITH THE NOR WITH, I'M SORRY, THE NOR HILL WITH THE OLD SIX WARD, UH, BOARD AND THE RESIDENTS AND HE IS MAKING CHANGES BASED ON THAT MEETING. AND THEN FROM THERE IT WILL, UM, GO INTO SURVEY MODE FOR THEM AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM F. UM, HISTORIC PRESENTATION OFFICERS REPORT ROMAN. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE ONE NOTE FROM LEGAL. UH, FIRST SHE APOL KIM UH, APOLOGIZES FOR NOT BEING HERE TODAY. SHE'S WORKING ON SOME LEGISLATION ANALYSIS AND SOME GOVERNMENT RELATIONS NEEDS AT THIS TIME, BUT SHE WANTED ME TO NOTE THAT ITEM ONE 10 COURTLAND, IT WAS JUST DEFERRED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST MOVED FOR A DEFERRAL WITH NO SPECIFIC DATE. SO THAT WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA OF THIS COMMISSION UNLESS YOU WISH TO RECONSIDER IT FOR A DIFFERENT DATE AND THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. WE WILL SEE AND THAT PRESERVES THE NOTICE ON THAT WE WILL RECONSIDER OR ITEM UM, ONE COURT, 10 COURTLAND PLACE WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT MEETING, HOPEFULLY AT A DECISION AT THAT POINT. THEN I JUST WANNA ALSO JUST SAY THAT MAY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH AND THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT JOINS THE NATIONAL TRUST OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN CELEBRATING NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. AND WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO REFLECT ON THE POWER OF PLACE AND HISTORIC PLACES IN HOUSTON THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO YOU. AND IF YOU FEEL MOVED TO DO SO, EMAIL YOUR REFLECTION TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION@HOUSTONTX.GOV. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ROMAN. AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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