* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on April 10, 2025.] [00:00:14] GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S NOW 2 33. THURSDAY, APRIL 10TH, 2025. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND CIRCLE COMMISSION. HAHC IS CALLED TO ORDER. I AM COMMISSIONED CHAIR DAVID EK TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. UM, VICE CHAIR AUER JACKSON PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JONES? NOT CURRENTLY HERE. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER IS NOT HERE CURRENTLY. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CURRY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YAP IS NOT CURRENTLY HERE. COMMISSIONER STAAVA. COMMISSIONER COUCH IS NOT HERE. AND PLANNING DIRECTOR TR TREND PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, FIRST I'M GOING TO, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THE CHAIR'S REPORT AND JUST REVIEW THE SPEAKER RULES FOR A MOMENT. UH, THE MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. MEETINGS START ABOUT A MINUTE OR TWO AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME TO ALLOW THE HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE. UM, AS FAR AS THE SPEAKER RULES, UM, THE SPEAKER RULES ARE FOUND ON THE TOP PORTION OF THE SPEAKER SIGN IN FORM ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, SPEAKING ON AN ITEM ARE NOT TIMED. APPLICANTS HAVE THEIR ALLOTTED TWO MINUTES TIME AS WELL AS REBUTTALS. NON APPLICANTS AND GENERAL SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES A TIME. THERE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR A REBUTTAL. EVEN IF YOU DID NOT USE YOUR FULL TWO MINUTES, YOU WILL NOT BE A, A ALLOWED TO SPEAK AGAIN AND TIME CANNOT BE ALLOCATED TO ANOTHER SPEAKER. UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS. I AM VON TRAN, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT. UH, THE ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT I HAVE TODAY IS THAT THE TEAM HAS BEGUN WORKING ON THE HISTORIC PLA, UH, OR HISTORIC TRACKER. AND, UM, I WILL REPORT BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT, UM, SESSION ON OUR FULL SCHEDULE AND WHEN THE LAUNCH DATE IS RIGHT NOW. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE BEGAN, UH, WORKING FULL-TIME ON THE HISTORIC TRACKER. UH, WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT, UM, OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON. UM, I, THERE'S NOT A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSIDERATION OF THE FEBRUARY 27TH, 2025 HAHC MEETING, MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER WEIDER JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT PASSES. MOVING ON. SO I GUESS ITEM A, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR, UH, COMMENTS FROM ANNETTE BASIL, PAST CHAIR, PERSON OF THE HAHC REGARDING THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. AND I HAVE BOTH ANNETTE SIGNED UP AND ALSO EMILY ARGU MAYOR IS, AND IF YOU PLEASE, THERE YOU GO. IF YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. MINETTE BASIL, FORMER CHAIR OF THE HAHC. MR. CHAIR AND DIRECTOR TRON, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. SOME OF US HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE LAST 40 YEARS OF PRESERVATION IN HOUSTON AND WE'RE HERE TODAY , UM, WANTED TO TALK AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF HOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UH, WAS PASSED AND ALL THE STEPS THAT LED UP TO THAT. WITH ME TODAY ARE THREE OTHERS. CARRIE WENTZ, WHO IS PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT TSU FOR MANY DECADES. ANNA MAUD, TAX CONSULTANT WITH RYAN TAX CONSULTANTS, WHO HAS CARVED AN AMAZING [00:05:01] NICHE AND CAREER IN HELPING PRESERVATION PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND EMILY WAN REPRESENTING GREATER HOUSTON PRESERVATION ALLIANCE, NOW PRESERVATION HOUSTON. TO SET THE STAGE, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE LATE SEVENTIES WHERE THE FIRST NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1978 IN THE OLD SIX WARD. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE. BY 1980, A SURVEY HAD BEEN DONE OF HISTORIC IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN HOUSTON BY STEPHEN FOX AND BARRY SCARDINA, WHICH ARE OVER AT THE, UH, H-R-M-R-R-C. WE HAD ALSO ESTABLISHED, UH, SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS BEYOND THE HERITAGE SOCIETY, WHICH REALLY WAS OR IS THE FIRST PRESERVATION ORGANIZATION IN OUR CITY. THE OLD SIX, UH, SORORITY ASSOCIATION WAS ESTABLISHED AND THE HOUSTON OLD TOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION SET UP SHOP TO HELP REVITALIZE THE MARKET SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, ELEANOR TINSLEY COUNCIL MEMBER, SOME OF YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN, SHE DID, REALIZED THE VALUE OF PRESERVATION AND PASSED AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING TAX INCENTIVES FOR PROPERTIES LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND THAT WERE BEING REMODELED. SHE WENT ON FURTHER IN 1984 AND ESTABLISHED THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND I REMEMBER SPEAKING WITH HER, UH, HER ASSISTANT MADELINE POWELL, SAYING, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. THERE'S NO POWER HERE. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? SHE SAID, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND CLEARLY I DIDN'T. SHE SAID, YOU GET IT ON THE BOOKS FIRST, AND YOU BUILD ON THAT FROM THERE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED. THE FIRST CHAIR WAS EUGENE HARRINGTON, WHO WAS A PROFESSOR OF LAW, THURGOOD MARSHALL SCHOOL OF LAW. MARGIE ELLIOTT, WHO WAS THE FIRST EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PRESERVATION HOUSTON, WAS CHAIR ON THE LATE EIGHTIES. AND ALTHOUGH ADVISORY IN NATURE ONLY, THIS COMMISSION DID MAKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE CITY OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT AWARE OF HOUSTON'S HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND ASSETS. IN 1993, HOUSTONIANS WENT TO THE POLLS TO VOTE ON AZO ZONING ORDINANCE. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? ANYBODY? THIS WAS THE THIRD TIME SUCH LEGISLATION HAD COME BEFORE VOTERS BILL AS QUOTE HOUSTON STYLE ZONING UNQUOTE, AND SUPPORTED BY THEN PLANNING DIRECTOR DONNA PONS. THIS LEGISLATION INCLUDED A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMPONENT. MEETINGS WERE HELD BY PRESERVATIONISTS AND CITIZENS TO DETERMINE AND RECOMMEND LANGUAGE MAPPING. EXERCISES WERE CONVENED TO ASCERTAIN HISTORIC AREAS WORTHY OF PRESERVATION, ANTI ZONING GROUPS SWARMED, INCLUDING THE HOUSTON PROPERTY RIGHTS ASSOCIATION, AND A GROUP CALLED HOUSTON RENAISSANCE. THAT WAS LED BY A DEVELOPER WHO CLAIMED REVITALIZATION COULD TAKE PLACE WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ZONING IN HISTORIC AREAS. AND HE WANTED TO HELP BY EXAMPLE, IN HELPING TO REVITALIZE FOURTH WARD. MORE ON THAT LATER, RED AND WHITE BILLBOARDS WENT UP, ZONING WILL KILL JOBS OR ZONING WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES. THE REFERENDUM FAILED BY A 51%, 1%. IT WAS DEVASTATING FOR THE PRESERVATION COMMUNITY THAT HAD WORKED SO HARD ON THIS COMPONENT. AS PART OF THAT ORDINANCE, MS. PONS WENT TO THEN MAYOR BOB LANIER, WHO AGREED TO A STANDALONE ORDINANCE. AND, UH, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PREPARED SUCH ORDINANCE, PRESENTED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THERE WAS STRONG OPPOSITION. ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WAS THE VERY MAN WHO HAD STARTED HOUSTON RENAISSANCE. WE WERE VERY ORGANIZED, AND FOR WEEKS WE APPEARED IN THIS VERY ROOM BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WERE RALLYING BEHIND THE IDEA OF A SEPARATE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. MAYOR LANIER ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR MARVIN KATZ TO ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE TO NEGOTIATE. WE WERE TOLD TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE, UH, WHICH IS, IT WAS PRESERVATION HOUSTON'S PRESIDENT AND LAWYER DAVID BE KERRY, MR. KERRY WENTZ, WHO'S HERE TODAY, AND ME. WE WERE IT THE FIRST MEETING, THERE WERE ABOUT 10 OTHERS, MOSTLY REPRESENTATIVE OF DEVELOPERS. SO WE WERE OUTNUMBERED. THEY WANTED AN OPT-OUT PROVISION WHERE YOU COULD WRITE AND SAY YOU DID NOT WANT TO BE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP THAT, UH, LANGUAGE FROM BEING ENACTED, WE COMPROMISED AND GAVE THE HAC THE POWER TO SAY THAT DEMOLITION OR INAPPROPRIATE RENOVATIONS BY OWNERS COULD VOTE FORWARD. AFTER 90 DAY DELAY, DESPITE NOT A VERY STRONG ORDINANCE IN THE BEGINNING, WE REALIZED THAT THIS WAS A WAY, A STEPPING STONE TO MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. FAST FORWARD TO BILL WHITE MAYOR, AND HE, SEVERAL CHANGES WERE MADE, AND INCLUDING THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION THAT WE NOW HAVE. AND HE HELPED CREATE A STANDALONE ORDINANCE FOR THE OLD SIXTH WARD WITH STRONGER LANGUAGE. IN 2010, MAYOR PARKER, WHO LIVES IN, AS WE KNOW IN A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC HOUSE, DETERMINED IN HER FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE, SHE WANTED TO HELP STRENGTHEN THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITY. AFTER A YEAR OF SOMETIMES VERY INTERESTING MEETINGS, THE ORDINANCE GOT PASSED, AND WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. IT HAS BEEN REVISED IN 2015 [00:10:01] AFTER A VERY LONG YEAR. SOME OF YOU PARTICIPATED IN THAT PROCESS. IT WAS VERY, UH, WELL, LOTS OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND DESIGN GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED UNDER THAT ORDINANCE. ALL OF THIS HAS TAKEN A GENERATION TO ACHIEVE, AND I AM GRATEFUL IN MY LIFETIME TO HAVE WITNESSED THIS INCREMENTAL AND IMPORTANT CHANGES DRIVEN BY CITIZENS OF OUR CITY WHO CARE ABOUT THEIR HISTORIC PATRIMONY. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND MY CO COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. THANK YOU, MONETTE. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN HICK, DIRECTOR TRON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ANNA MAUD. I'M A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSULTANT HERE IN HOUSTON, AND I'VE PRACTICED PROFESSIONALLY IN HOUSTON DOING EXACTLY THAT SINCE THE LATE NINETIES. I SERVED ON THIS BOARD ON THIS COMMISSION FROM 2015 TO 2017, AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE ORDINANCE REVISION PROCESS. THAT MAN MANNETTE ME, UH, MENTIONED. I GOT MY START HERE IN PRESERVATION BEFORE I LEFT TO GO TO GRAD SCHOOL WITH THE LOCAL NONPROFIT, UH, AT THE TIME WAS CALLED GREATER HOUSTON PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. AND, UM, I WAS VERY COMMITTED TO RETURNING TO HOUSTON TO PRACTICE HERE. I GREW UP HERE. I SAW A LOT OF BUILDINGS BE TORN DOWN AS WE'VE SEEN ON THE SCREEN, AND I THOUGHT, SURELY THIS CITY CAN DO BETTER. I DID SPEAK AT THE HEARINGS IN THE EARLY NINETIES IN SUPPORT OF THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE I MENTIONED. I GREW UP HERE. I LOVE HOUSTON. THERE'S ROOM IN HOUSTON TO SAVE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALL KNOW SO WELL. I'M HAPPY TO SAY IT ALL TURNED OUT VERY WELL. UM, I REMEMBER WHEN DOWNTOWN IN THE LATE EIGHTIES WAS RECREATIONAL SKATING AFTER HOURS FOR THE URBAN ANIMALS. IT'S NOW VIBRANT WORK, UH, LIVE, UM, ENTERTAINMENT. I DO LIVE DOWNTOWN NOW. AND THANKS TO HISTORIC TAX CREDITS, WHICH I'M, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SINCE THE LATE NINETIES, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, SUPPORT THE REHABILITATION OF BUILDINGS IN HOUSTON THAT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR DECADES, NAMELY THE OLD TEXACO BUILDING AND THE MELROSE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOW LA MERIDIAN HOTEL. SO HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS ALIVE AND WELL IN HOUSTON. AND THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF US WHO WORK TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M EMILY AWA WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, FORMERLY GREATER HOUSTON PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, UM, I'M NOT FROM HOUSTON AND I WASN'T IN HOUSTON WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS FIRST PASSED IN THE NINETIES. UM, BUT PRESERVATION IS WHAT BROUGHT ME TO HOUSTON. UM, A CITY THAT I'VE GROWN TO LOVE SO MUCH AND HAS BECOME MY HOME. UM, WE HAVE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL PROGRAMS TO RECOGNIZE HISTORIC PLACES, BUT LOCAL LEVEL PRESERVATION IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. IT PROVIDES THE STRONGEST PROTECTION, AND IT ALLOWS A COMMUNITY TO DEFINE WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ITSELF. WHEN HOUSTON PASSED THIS ORDINANCE IN 1995 AND THEN LATER STRENGTHENED IT, IT MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE CARE ABOUT OUR CITY. WE CARE ABOUT ITS HISTORY AND IDENTITY, AND WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP THOUGHTFULLY CARRYING SOME OF THAT HISTORY FORWARD AND PASSING IT ON TO FUTURE HIS, UH, GENERATIONS OF HOUSTONIANS PRESERVATION. HOUSTON IS PROUD TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ORDINANCE SINCE THE BEGINNING, AND WE'VE SUPPORTED STRENGTHENING IT OVER THE FOLLOWING DECADES. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IT'S MADE, GIVING STABILITY TO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROTECTING MEANINGFUL PLACES, SOME THAT ARE VERY WELL KNOWN AND OTHERS THAT MIGHT HAVE, UH, WHOSE HISTORY MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN LOST TO TIME. WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE VERY DEDICATED OFFICE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SUPPORT THIS VERY IMPORTANT TOOL FOR HOUSTON GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ONE MORE SPEAKER THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SIGNED UP. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE IN THIS ROOM AGAIN AFTER SUCH, SUCH A LONG TIME. UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WHEN I WAS FIRST APPROACHED WITH, UH, JO, YOU KNOW, ASKED EXCUSE TO JOIN ON THE EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR. COULD COULD WE, FOR THE RECORD, COULD WE HAVE HIS NAME AND, UH, YES. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME YES. FOR THE RECORDING? CARRIE WENTZ, W-I-N-T-Z. I'M A DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT TEXAS SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY, A NATIVE HOUSTONIAN, UH, SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE HERE EXCEPT FOR A FEW, [00:15:01] UH, YEARS IN, UH, UH, KANSAS, GETTING MY DOCTORATE DEGREE. UH, I LOVE HOUSTON. I AM WAS VERY, VERY HONORED TO BE INVITED TO JOIN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST BEGAN THE PRESERVATION MOVEMENT TO BE PUT ON THE PANEL AND, UH, TO WORK WITH, STARTING TO FIND A WAY TO SAVE THE BUILDINGS THAT I GREW UP WITH AND THAT I LOVE. I'M, UH, I, I STILL MOURN SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE LOST. I THINK ALMOST, UH, UH, I DRIVE EVERY DAY PAST THE OLD SHAMROCK SITE, AND I WISH THAT BUILDING WAS STILL THERE, BUT WE HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS PROGRESS AND I, UH, REALLY COMMEND THE COMMISSION FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE DOING IT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP YOU, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO IT. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UH, KISH MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE SPEAKERS ON THE SUBJECT? I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A MILESTONE. I, UM, UM, UM, THREE OF THE SPEAKERS WERE FORMALLY ON THIS COMMISSION, UM, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, AND AHAD, WHEN SHE WAS ON THE COMMISSION WAS ONE OF THE THREE PERSON DE DELEGATION THAT WAS NEGOTIATING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR HOW WE RECEIVED, HOW WE ACHIEVE THE CONSENSUS, AND ULTIMATELY WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, UPGRADE AND, AND UPDATE THE ORDINANCE FOR WHAT WE HAVE. AND THAT LED TO A LOT OF, UM, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH, UH, BETTER PROTECTION, BUT ALSO BETTER JUST UNDERSTANDING AND, AND AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL ON JUST, JUST HAVING RULES THAT EVERYONE COULD UNDERSTAND AND COULD AND COULD WORK WITH. AND THAT KIND OF HELPED STREAMLINE WHAT, WHAT WE DO TODAY. SO, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER COSGROVE CAN REMEMBER THOSE DAYS AS WELL. UM, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MINETTE AND ANNA, PROFESSOR WENTZ AND EMILY AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO, WHO HAS WORKED SO HARD TO BRING THE ORDINANCE AND STRENGTHEN IT FOR HOUSTON. SO WE'VE, YOU'VE SET A GREAT, UM, FOUNDATION FOR THE FUTURE OF PRESERVATION IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES. UM, IF I MAY ALSO, UM, MY HEARTFELT ALSO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, THAT AMAZING HISTORY LESSON OF HISTORY. UH, I DO REMEMBER THE TIME OF SHAMROCK. UM, I WAS IN COLLEGE AT THE TIME AND WE WERE ALL VERY HEARTBROKEN, UH, WHEN WE SAW THE, UH, WRECKING BALL GOING UP. I THINK THAT SOME OF MY CLASSMATES ALSO HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, OF THAT BUILDING. AND SO AS DIRECTOR OF, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM, UM, I AM VERY HONORED TO BE HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. AND, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN, UH, TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS, UH, TO HOUSTON, UH, HIS, UH, HOUSTON PRESERVATION AND, UM, MANNETTE, UH, YOUR EARLY START, UH, IN, UH, GETTING THIS ROLLING FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON IS SO VALUABLE. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND, UM, AND AS WAS POINTED OUT, I MEAN, SINCE THE LANIER ADMINISTRATION, UH, THE LANIER ADMINISTRATION AND ALL PRE, ALL THE, UM, OTHER MAYORS THAT FOLLOWED HAVE HELPED, UH, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HAVE HELPED TO, UH, STRENGTHEN THE ORDINANCE AND TO FIND WAYS. SO MAKING A HOUSTON SOLUTION FOR WHAT WE, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, UM, SO THANK YOU AGAIN. WITH THAT, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM B, WHICH IS THE, THE CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON REFERRAL TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES OF THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING, BUILDING OR PLANT AT 6 1 2 WAVERLY STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7 ROMAN. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I'M ROMAN MCALLEN. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON, AND YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BUILDING BEFORE. IT WAS MADE A PROTECTED LANDMARK LAST YEAR. UH, SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT, BUT I HAVE SENT YOU, EACH OF YOU INTO YOUR EMAILS. THE DRAFT, UH, THE DRAFT, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE REGISTRATION FORM OR THE NOMINATION FORM TO THE, UH, TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. UH, JUST A BRIEF REMINDER OF WHAT GOES ON WITH THAT. THE, THE STATE BOARD OF REVIEW AT THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION MEETS THREE TIMES ANNUALLY, AND, UH, THIS NEXT MEETING ON MAY 17TH WILL BE AT THE FAIR PARK VISITOR CENTER, UH, IN DALLAS. AND THIS BUILDING WILL BE IN GOOD COMPANY. IT WILL BE THERE ALONG WITH THE BETHEL, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR LISTING ALONG WITH THE BETHEL, BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH IN TENNESSEE, COLONY COLONY IN ANDERSON COUNTY. AND ALONG WITH [00:20:01] THE DOWNTOWN BRYAN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN BRYAN, TEXAS IN BRAZOS COUNTY. AND ALONG WITH THE CENTRAL NEW BROWNSVILLE'S HISTORIC DISTRICT IN KAMALA COUNTY AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN GALVESTON COUNTY. AND THEN OUR BUILDING OF COURSE, AND THEN THE FIRST INDEPENDENT BAPTIST CHURCH IN CORSA IN NAVARRO COUNTY, AND THE WESLEY CHAPEL COLORED METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN NAVARRO COUNTY AND THE SYCAMORE CREEK BRIDGE IN FORT WORTH AND TARRANT COUNTY. COMING TO WHAT, WHAT THIS, THIS BUILDING IS, IT'S THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLAN AT SIX 12 WAVERLY STREET HERE IN HOUSTON. IT'S APPROXIMATELY A THREE ACRE SITE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE HISTORIC HEIGHTS HOUSTON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS LOCATED WITH WITHIN THE EXTENTS OF A MUCH LARGER PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY SWIFT AND COMPANY. TODAY, THE SITE CONTAINS TWO EXTENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE PACKING PLANT, IAKA, THE MAIN BUILDING, WHICH INCORPORATES THE 1917 PACKING BUILDING AND THE 1917 REFINERY BUILDING, NOW CONNECTED BY A LARGE 1953 EDITION AND THE 1917 BOILER AND ENGINE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE REAR BUILDING AND STILL REMAINS SEPARATE. THE SITE WAS INITIALLY DEVELOPED AS A COTTON SEED OIL REFINERY CAMPUS, AND IN 1953, THE BOILER AND ENGINE HOUSE WAS RETAINED WHILE THE MAIN MILL WERE WAS RAISED. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF IT. UH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN THIS, THIS IS NOW A CITY HOUSTON PROTECTED LANDMARK, AND THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS ARE SEEKING TO HAVE IT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. AND SO, UH, AS SUCH, AND AS THE CITY OF HOUSTON IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, THAT MEANS THAT THIS BOARD, THIS HISTORIC COMMISSION, UH, FORMED UNDER AN ORDINANCE, UH, THAT ALLOWED THE CITY TO BECOME A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND THE, THE HIGHEST ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE CITY ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THEIR, UH, OPINION AS TO WHETHER THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE LISTED. SO WE COME TODAY FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AN INFORMAL, UH, REQUEST WE MAKE TO SEE, TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER. AND IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THEN WE WILL RELAY THAT UP TO THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, ROMAN. THESE OFTEN MEAN THAT SOME RE REVITALIZATION WILL BE COMING TO THESE IMAGES OF WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN, MAY IN THE FUTURE LOOK VERY DIFFERENT AND NICE AND, UM, STABLE AGAIN AND AND USABLE. UM, WITH THAT ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ROMAN? SORRY IF I MISSED IT. ROMAN, WHO'S THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. IT'LL BE IN THAT PACKET. THANK YOU. UH, IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPERS THAT DEVELOPED MKT, UH, NORTH SHEPHERD, IF YOU KNOW THAT LOCATION WAS A BIG INDUSTRIAL PARK. YES, IT'S BEEN CONVERTED RETAIL. YES, THE SAME PEOPLE WANT TO, UH, REUSE ANOTHER GREAT LOCAL BUILDING. SO THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH MKT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BY. AGREED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND OUR SUPPORT FOR THIS? I ENTHUSIASTICALLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS COMMISSION SUPPORT THE NATIONAL REGISTERED NOMINATION OF THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLANT. IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECOND. COSGROVE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT RECOMMENDATION AS CAN BE CONVEYED. THANK YOU, ROMAN. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM C, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE POLI, UH, BUILDING AT 1 1 3 8 WEST GRAY STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 1 9. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA WAKELEY. I SUBMIT ITEM C FOR THE PROPOSED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE PITO BUILDING LOCATED AT 1138 WEST GRAY STREET. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE PITO BUILDING CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A ONE STORY BRICK COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A FULL WIDTH DUAL STOREFRONT. CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1932. ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE BRICK BUILDING IS A ONE STORY STUCCO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. A COVERED PORCH CONNECTS THE STUCCO HOUSE TO THE REAR WALL OF THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. THE TWO BUILDINGS POSSESS EXCELLENT INTEGRITY AND ARE PRIME EXAMPLES OF EARLY 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT AND SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING CONSTRUCTION PRACTICE. ORIGINALLY, THE STUCCO HOUSE SAT WHERE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT FACING WEST GRAY STREET. THE HOUSE WAS LISTED AS 1136 WEST GRAY AND WAS THE ONLY BUILDING ON THE LOT. WHEN FRANK POLA ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN THE EARLY 1930S, HE DECIDED TO RELOCATE THE STUCCO [00:25:01] HOUSE TO THE REAR OF THE LOT. AFTER THIS MOVE WAS COMPLETE, HE CONSTRUCTED THE COMMERCIAL BRICK BUILDING IN ITS PLACE WITH PLANS TO UTILIZE THE SITE AS A RENTAL PROPERTY. OVER THE YEARS, 1138 WEST GRAY HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BY NUMEROUS LOCAL HOUSTON BUSINESSES FROM GROCERY STORES AND ANTIQUE OXYGEN HOUSES TO A PICTURE FRAMING SHOP. THE CURRENT OWNER, ANTHONY POLA, SON OF FRANK POLA, NAMED THE BUILDING IN HONOR OF HIS LATE FATHER, THE POLA BUILDING, LOCATED AT 1138 WEST GRAY STREET MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 5, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HAHC RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE POLA BUILDING LOCATED AT 1138 WEST GRAY STREET CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THE PROPERTY OWNER ANTHONY POLA, IS IN ATTENDANCE TODAY AND IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, UM, YOU MAY, YOU YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO. UM, SO, UM, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION? AND IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION, BUT WELL, UH, AS ALWAYS, JUST WONDERING, UM, IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR A PROTECTED LANDMARK OR WHY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS INTERESTED IN A LANDMARK OVER A PROTECTED LANDMARK, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, YES. UH, WITHIN THE FUTURE. YES. AS A PROTECTIVE LANDMARK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT. AND OF COURSE MY WIFE LYDIA TON IS THE CO-OWNER OF THE BUILDING. AND, UH, AND OF COURSE A LOT OF THIS, I MUST SAY NOT ONLY IS FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, BUT THE INTEGRITY OF MY PARENTS, BERNADINE AND FRANK POLA. SO, UH, YES, IT IS UNDER OUR CONSIDERATION TO DO THIS. AND COULD YOU ALSO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, UH, IN THE MICROPHONE? ANTHONY POLA. P-I-Z-Z-I-T-O-L-A. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION? I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT. AGENDA. UH, HELLO. AND ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS ROMAN MCALLEN AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON. AND ON THIS AGENDA ON APRIL THE 10TH, 2025, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGE, UH, CHANGES. SO LET ME JUST SEE IF I CAN MAKE 'EM CLEAR. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT ALL THE ITEMS IN SECTION D ON OUR AGENDA TODAY BE CONSIDERED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION EXCEPT FOR ITEM D SEVEN. OKAY. AND SO THEN THAT WOULD BE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU IN ONE MOTION, LOOK AT D 1 3 20 EAST 18TH STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL NUMBER 2 3 20 EAST 18TH STREET. NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE ON THE SAME SITE BY THE SAME ARCHITECT IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS. EATS FOR APPROVAL. UH, ITEM D 3 18 16 COURTLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL. ITEM D 4 14 46 RUTLAND STREET ALTERATION ROOF, HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST FOR APPROVAL. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT JUST CHANGING THE MATERIAL TYPE AND WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO YOU FOR THAT REASON. ITEM D 5 2 1 2 BAYLIN AVENUE ALTERATION EDITION IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL. ITEM D 6 6 0 9 HARVARD STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN WINDOWS HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN ITEM D EIGHT, IT WAS MISSING ON MY LIST. ITEM D EIGHT IS 4 35 OXFORD ALTERATION EDITION PLUS CHANGING A DOOR IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. ITEM D 9 7 1 9 WEST MAIN STREET, ALTERATION [00:30:01] SIDING. FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE CC OF A AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SMOOTH, THAT SMOOTH CEMENT SIDING BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH WEST MAIN SIDE ELEVATION. THE SIDING THAT THEY INSTALLED ON THE EAST REAR ELEVATION IS OKAY, AS AS IT'S BEEN DONE. ITEM D 10 11 38 FUGATE ALTERATION, ADDITION AND CLADDING CHANGE IN NOR HILL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AND ITEM D 11 5 0 2 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD, ALTERATION EDITION HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. ITEM D 12 10 50 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD, ALTERATION WINDOWS AND DOORS, HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH. DENIAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF AIF REMEDIATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE COLUMNS REMAIN. ITEM D 13 6 0 4 BAYLIN AVENUE, ALTERATION EDITION WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL. AND ITEM D 14 22 0 6 LUBBOCK STREET ALTERATION EDITION. FRONT PORCH, OLD SIXTH WARD. DENIAL OF ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION TO REPLACE THE TEXTURED SIDING WITH SMOOTH BEVELED SIDING WITH A FIVE INCH REVEAL ON THE FRONT, LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS. AND ADD A SILL, ADD SILL WIND ADD SILL TO THE WINDOW TRIM ON ALL WINDOWS, INSET AND RECESS ALREADY INSTALLED WINDOWS AND APPROVE AS SUBMITTED FOR ALL THE OTHER PROPOSED WORK. ITEM D 15 34 10 GARRETT ALTERATION GARAGE IN WESTMORELAND FOR APPROVAL. AND THAT GARAGE JUST HAS A, A FLOODING ISSUE AND THEY JUST WANT TO CAST A NEW FOUNDATION UNDER IT. AGAIN, WE REQUEST THAT ITEMS THAT ITEM D SEVEN BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS THE PREVIOUS ITEMS BE TAKEN UNDER ONE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ROMAN COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, PROJECTS ON THE CONSENT, RECOMMENDED CONSENT LIST THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS? D 14, UH, 2206 LUBBOCK. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS? OKAY, NOT HEARING THAT. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME IF I HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS 3 5 6 9 10. UM, THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A PROJECT. IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF HAS MADE YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEAK AND, AND WE'LL VOTE ON THE CONSENT. IF YOU, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF IS, THEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT PROJECT FOR INDIVIDUAL, INDIVIDUAL, UH, DISCUSSIONS. PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND WHICH PROJECT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY. 10. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE, FROM THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY? OKAY, THANK YOU. SO ROMAN, I HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS ITEM ONE. CHAIR. CHAIR. YES. I THINK IT'S A POINT OF ORDER MAYBE, BUT I THINK A COMMISSIONER, UH, BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE HEARD FROM THE AUDIENCE, SHOULD PULL THE ITEM. I JUST FOR CLARITY, I'M NOT SURE THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PULL, YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE RECOMMENDED THIS TO THIS COMMISSION. SO ONE OF THE COMMISSION MANAGERS I BELIEVE SHOULD ASK TO PULL ITEM D 10. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM B 10. OKAY, PLEASE. D AS IN DAVID. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M NOT, UH, IT GETS, THAT'S NEW FOR ME 'CAUSE I, I THINK IF SOMEONE IS HERE TO SPEAK, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND, OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST, IT MIGHT BE WRONG, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA MISS IT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. WELL, THAT'S FINE. UH, WE CAN DO IT DOUBLY. UM, SO THE LIST THAT I HAVE, UM, IS ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. SORRY, SORRY TO STOP YOU CHAIR. WHAT, WAS THERE A SPEAKER FOR ITEM THREE? WELL, THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP THAT MAY BE FOUR THAT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. OKAY. SO THEY DON'T NEED TO SPEAK UNLESS THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I HAVE ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY NOT SEVEN, BUT 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, AND 15. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE [00:35:01] STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS SLATE OF PROJECTS FOR CONSENT AND THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED URI? SO MOVES. IS THERE A SECOND? CO SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. THAT CONSENT AGENDA PASSES IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. YOUR PROJECT HAS PASSED AND WE'LL START WITH ITEM 7 8 2 5 COLUMBIA STREET. GOOD AFTERNOON, SHARON. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM D SEVEN AT 8 25 COLUMBIA IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADDING A 250 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SECOND FLOOR REAR PORTION OF THE 3,267 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING LIVING SPACE. THE PROPOSED EDITION IS TO BE CANTILEVERED OVER A NEW UNCONDITION REAR RECOVERED PATIO. A NON HISTORIC REAR ADDITION WAS ADDED TO THE BUILDING IN 2015. PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES AND MEASURABLE STANDARDS, THE PROPERTY RECEIVED AN APPROVED COA FOR THE ADDITION. AT THAT TIME, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS GRANDFATHERED INTO THE DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS PARTIAL APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF THE REAR PORCH AS SUBMITTED WITHOUT CONDITION, SPACE ABOVE IT CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE OWNER AND APPLICANT, MATT FISHER, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP WITH, UM, MATT FISHER. IF YOU COULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD FOR THE RECORDING. GOOD AFTERNOON, THIS IS MATTHEW FISHER, UH, APPLICANT FOR 8 25 COLUMBIA. THIS IS MY WIFE, NANCY FISHER. GOOD, PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME TO SPEAK TODAY. UM, AND, AND FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON PRESERVATION IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON. UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE, ARE BOTH FROM HOUSTON. MY FAMILY STILL LIVES UP NORTH AND SPRING. MY WIFE'S FAMILY LIVES DOWN SOUTH IN PASADENA. WE INTENTIONALLY PICKED THE HEIGHTS BECAUSE OF ITS CENTRAL LOCATION TO BOTH OF OUR FAMILIES AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE HISTORIC CHARM. AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. WE ALSO APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UM, AND HAVE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS HEARD ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OUR PROPOSED PROJECT WAS DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT AND MAXIMIZE THE USABLE LAYOUT FOR OUR GROWING FAMILY. THE PROJECT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND IS PURPOSEFULLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE ANY IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS. WE ITERATED AND DISCUSSED THE DESIGN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND IN FACT, EACH OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF NO OBJECTION TO THE DESIGN IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT ALSO DOES NOT TOUCH THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOME AND ONLY MINIMALLY MODIFIES THE NON HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE HOME TO OPTIMIZE THE UPSTAIRS LAYOUT FOR OUR FAMILY'S NEEDS. I WANNA SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THE CONTEXTUAL AREA. OUR PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT OBSTRUCT ANY NEIGHBOR'S VIEWS AND LINES UP THE BACK OF THE HOUSE CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH SIDE. ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE HOME IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO THE LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME CONSTRUCTED IN 2011. OUTSIDE OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS BASED ON PUBLIC RECORD, WE IDENTIFIED 16 HOMES ON THE BLOCKS BETWEEN 600 AND 800 COLUMBIA THAT EXCEED THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, FOR THE SAME EXACT LOT SIZE. AGAIN, WE DEEPLY VALUE THE CHARACTER, UM, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOME AND WOULD NOT WANNA PROPOSE A PROJECT THAT DIMINISHES THOSE CHARACTERISTICS. WE HOPE THE COMMISSION AGREES AND APPROVES THE PROJECT. MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER IN ONE MINUTE. ONE MINUTE MORE TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? COMPLETELY SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. WE KINDLY ASK THE COMMISSION AGREES, UH, WITH OUR PROPOSED PROJECT AND APPROVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, WE CAN MOVE. OF THE 16 HOUSES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE LARGER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, ARE THEY ALL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY'RE NOT ALL CONTRIBUTING, NO, BUT THEY ARE WITHIN THE ZONE. HOW MANY OF THEM ARE CONTRIBUTING? I I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. THANK YOU. CAN CAN STAFF, UM, ARE YOU DRAWING A TALLY ON THAT OR, [00:40:03] I WAS PULLING UP JUST THE DISTRICT MAP TO TRY AND COUNT. DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ONES YOU WERE? YEAH. LOOKING AT WHAT THE ADDRESSES WERE. YEAH, AND I CAN I HAVE IT? I'LL JUST CROSS REFERENCE TO WHAT HE WAS GONNA SAY. UH, I ONLY REFERENCED THE ONES IN THE COLUMBIA BLOCK, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFER TO THE ARLINGTON ONE. SO SEVERAL OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE, UH, UM, 600 BLOCK AND 6 33. THEY ARE ALL NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THEN 700 BLOCK NON-CONTRIBUTING 800 BLOCK. NON-CONTRIBUTING. YEAH, NON-CONTRIBUTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU. NOT, NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND SEEK QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OF STAFF. AND I GUESS MY FIRST, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, UM, AS YOU'VE CITED, UH, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE HOUSE IS O OVER FAR CURRENTLY, WHICH SOME HOMES ARE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY, IF IF, IF THEY CAME INTO THE SYSTEM BEFORE THE, THE FAR WAS DETERMINED AND THEY THEY PREDATE THE FAR, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? SO THE HOUSE IS GRANDFATHERED, BUT THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, UH, THAT, OR IF YOU COULD THE, IN THE GUIDELINES OR THERE, THERE'S, UM, IT'S IN THE GUIDELINES FOR THE FAR THAT ONE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE BEHIND A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UM, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT? SURE. YEAH. BUT THE QUESTION IN THIS CASE, THE, IT'S NOT THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BLOCKING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE REAR. IT'S ACTUALLY A NON-CONTRIBUTING ADDITION. AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW THIS IS WRITTEN. SO YES, CHAIR, THIS ROMAN MCALLEN, UM, THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ACTUALLY IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCE, CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. AND THIS, THIS COMES INTO PLAY. IT'S SOME, IT'S A KEY THING HERE AND IT IS THAT IT'S UNDER SECTION 33, 2 37. UH, A TWO A TWO SAYS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS NOT REQUIRED FOR ORDINARY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OR FOR ALTERATION OR FOR THE ALTERATION REHABILITATION OR RESTORATION OR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING. AND NUMBER TWO IS AN ALTERATION THAT IS OBSCURED FROM VIEW FROM THE STREET BY THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND NOT MERELY OBSCURED BY FENCING, LANDSCAPING, NON HISTORIC CONDITIONS OR OTHER IMPERMANENT OB IMPERMANENT OBSTRUCTION. SO, SO IF THIS WAS NOT VISIBLE, AS YOU SAY, BEHIND AN, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN THIS CASE, UM, AND WE'VE EVEN HAD THIS HAD COME UP WHERE IT WAS A NEW NON-ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, A NEW STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S THE ORIGINAL NEW STRUCTURE THERE, THEN UM, YOU COULD EXEMPT IT. BUT HERE, IF YOU REMOVE THE ADDITION VISUALLY OR IN YOUR MIND OR HAVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS THAT EXISTS, THEN YOU WOULD SEE THIS PROPOSED ADDITION CLEARLY FLOATING IN THE AIR AT A DIAGONAL FROM THE RIGHT OF THIS HOUSE. THEREFORE WE COME TO YOU. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION, YOU CAN ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE THE COMMISSION. AND SO WE BRING IT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ROME, IT'S THE SAME, LIKE A SIMILAR PROVISION TO, WE DON'T USE LANDSCAPING OR FENCING TO, UM, WE, WE, WE WILL MAKE THESE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE COULD SEE IF THE FENCES OR THE LANDSCAPING IS NOT THERE. BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS, THIS, THIS SCENARIO IS ADDRESSED IN THE COURT OF ORDINANCES AND THAT'S THE, THE BASIS OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF THE SECOND FLOOR CONDITION SPACE. UM, IF, IF, IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE A SECOND FLOOR PORCH ABOVE A ONE STORY PORCH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T ADD TO THE FAR EXACTLY RIGHT. SO YOU COULD, THEY COULD HAVE A A, A DOUBLE HEIGHT PORCH UNDER ROOF AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE AT AT ODDS WITH THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM . THAT WOULD NOT BE ADDING CONDITIONED SPACE. AND UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE CONFIRMED WITH LEGAL, UH, BEFORE, BUT IT, EVEN IF IT WAS ADDING TO THE FAR BUT NOT VISIBLE BECAUSE IT'S OBSCURED FROM VIEW BY THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND IT BUILD, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS OVER FAR AND YOU'RE ADDING FAR. YES. THEN IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE [00:45:01] IT'S LEGALLY EXEMPT FROM THE WHOLE C OF A PROCESS. THIS ONE NOT BEING EXEMPT FROM THE PROCESS BRINGS US TO APPLYING THE ORDINANCE AND APPLYING THE GUIDELINES AND WE, WE END UP PUSHING THE FAR HIGHER. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ANOTHER THING THAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, AS I MENTIONED, IS 3,267 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH IS 582 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT IS USUALLY THE MAX THAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE HEIGHTS OF A LOT THIS SIZE. UM, AND SINCE IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON TOP OF THE PROPOSED UNCONDITIONED PORCH, UM, IT HAS BEEN A POLICY FOR THE HEIGHTS THAT IF NEW CONDITION SPACE IS ADDED OVER UNCONDITIONED SPACE, WE ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT UNCONDITIONED PORCH INTO THAT FAR. SO IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE 250 MORE THAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY SHOWING. IT WOULD INCREASE THE VISUAL MASS OF YES, BY, BY DEFAULT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AT THE REAR. SO JUST GOING OFF OF THE NUMBERS, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? SO THE, THE LANGUAGE IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY IS, IS IS IT IT HAS TO BE AN ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT OBSCURES THE VIEW. SO THE FACT THAT IT'S AN, IT'S AN AN ADDITION DOESN'T GET CLASSIFIED AS AN EXEMPTION UNDER WHAT ROMAN READ. IS THAT ACCURATE? IF THE PROPOSED EDITION, SINCE THE, THE ORIGINAL HOME IS A ONE STORY HOME, IF THE, IF YOU REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL EDITION AND YOU PLACED THIS HYPOTHETICAL A ONE STORY EDITION ON THE GROUND, MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY BEHIND AND MAYBE NOT FULL WIDTH, AND YOU LOOK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND IF YOU COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL HOME STILL BLOCKS YOUR VIEW, THEN IT WOULD BE, THEN IT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE FAR, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S BEING BLOCKED BY THE ADDITION, WHICH IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS, UM, AN ISSUE FOR THIS APPLICATION. AND I SAID THIS HASN'T COME UP VERY OFTEN, SO IN MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT A LITTLE MORE. THE APPLICANT SEEM TO HAVE MADE A CASE FOR MAYBE THAT THEIR BLOCK FACE IS DIFFERENT AND, BUT I THINK WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT HERE THAT I WANNA SAY THAT WE WEREN'T NORMALLY, WE DON'T NORMALLY LOOK AT, WE WE DON'T BY BY ORDINANCE LOOK AT NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE LARGE. UM, I SAY I I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS SUPPORT A PROJECT. I THINK THAT'S A WEIGHTY STATEMENT. NOT, NOT, NOT SAYING IT'S DECISIVE, JUST POINTING THAT OUT. I I JUST, I MEAN, I'LL, AND I'LL SAY WHEN WE HAVE ALLOWED THE FAR TO INCREASE, THEY LARGELY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE SOMEONE NEED AN ELEVATOR, THEY COULDN'T PUT IT INSIDE THE HOME. AND THEN THERE, THERE WERE SOME, UM, AN ISSUE THAT WAS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THE HOME, OUR NEEDS THAT COULD NOT ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR. AND SO THE, THE, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING FOR SPECIAL NEEDS IN THAT REGARD. BUT THEY'VE ALSO BEEN LIMITED TO SIMPLY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO, TO PUT IN LIKE AN ELEVATOR SHAFT FOR INSTANCE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE ON MANY OCCASIONS. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. UM, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, I MOVE TO, I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? STOP. A SECOND. STA A SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION JUST TO CLARIFY, PLEASE? YES. UH, COULD WE REPEAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT IT AS SUBMITTED TO, TO ACCEPT THE PARTIAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR PORCH IS SUBMITTED WITHOUT THE CONDITION SPACE ABOVE. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM 10. GOOD [00:50:01] AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSONS AND MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION OR MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRENCE JACKSON, AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM D 10 AT 1138 WEST FUGATE, A CON CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN THE NORTH NORTH HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT BUILT CIRCA 1925. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,216 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT INTERIOR, I MEAN CORNER LOT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A REAR TWO STORY 1092 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, BRINGING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO 2,300, 308 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ADDING A DETACHED GARAGE, UH, AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IN A SEPARATE COA AT A LATER TIME. THE PROPOSED PROJECT SCOPE IS AS FOLLOWS, THE DEMOLISHED THE EXISTING GARAGE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW GARAGE IN A SEPARATE COA AS MENTIONED CONSTRUCT, A TWO STORY EDITION CONSISTING OF A REAR ONE FIRST FLOOR EDITION OF 364 SQUARE FEET. WITH THE SECOND STORY OVER THE TOP OF 728 SQUARE FEET, TOTALING THE 2,308 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE NON-ORIGINAL SECOND DOOR SECONDARY FRONT DOOR WITH A NEW WINDOW THAT MATCHES ADJACENT WINDOWS AND TO BE IN, TO BE INSET IN RECESS, THE PHOTOS AND THE SANDBAR MAP FOR PROOF. THIS HOUSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND NOT A DUPLEX. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING BRICK, WHICH HAS BECOME COMPROMISED OVER TIME AND REPLACED WITH ONE 17 SIDING. THE ADDITION IS TO HAVE A SEVEN OVER 12 ROOF SLOPE WITH A 26 FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT AND A 19 FOOT EVE HEIGHT. THEY PROPOSED TO REPLACE DAMAGED WINDOWS WITH INSET AND RECESSED WOOD WINDOWS AND REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT DO NOT CONTAIN WOOD RUT. THEY ALSO PROPOSE TO REMOVE THE INSET AT THE EXISTING WHERE THE EXISTING DOUBLE DOORS ARE AT THE WEST ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE ROOF RAPTOR TAILS ON, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE REMAIN CLOSED AND THE WINDOWS MUST BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN REPLACED CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC, THE OWNERS ARE ON STANDBY TO SPEAK AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, TERRANCE. ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU. I JUST, UM, YES SIR. THE, THE, THE, THE ONE STORY HOME, WHICH WAS A BRICK, A BRICK VENEER HOME THAT AS WE CAN SEE IN YOUR IMAGES, THE BRICK IS NO LONGER STANDING, UH, AT THIS, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IT'S ON THE GROUND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PART OF THAT WALL FELL OFF THE HOUSE AND, UM, I THINK WHILE MAYBE KIDS WERE PLAYING JUST OR YES, SIR, WHILE JUST, JUST OUTSIDE THE WALL. YES SIR. AND, AND ALSO, AND AS YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, IT, APPARENTLY THE BRICK TIES HAVE RU HAVE RUSTED AWAY OR WHATEVER WAS THERE ARE NO LONGER THERE, WHICH IS WHAT LED TO THIS, THIS, UM, THIS ISSUE. SO, UH, JUST WANNA STATE THAT BECAUSE IT PART I PART OF THE CONVERSATION HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BRICK AND, UM, AND ALSO THE, THE WHY, IT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON THE HOUSE CURRENTLY AS WELL. OKAY, SURE. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE PHOTOS, UM, STAFF HAS GONE, HAS MADE QUITE A FEW TRIPS TO THIS, UH, ACTUAL JOB SITE. UM, LOOK, THERE ARE PHOTOS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE DOWN CAVITIES OF THE WALL. UM, AND, AND WHEN WE STAFF WENT OUT THERE WHILE THEY WERE REMOVING THE BRICK, UM, STAFF NOTICED THAT I THINK I ONE WHOLE ELEVATION, THERE WERE THREE BRICK TIES THAT, THAT WERE THERE FROM ONE ELEVATION. UM, SO THE, ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE BRICK LEDGE, UM, I MEAN IT, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS COMPROMISED. IT WASN'T CONSTRUCTED. I MEAN NONE OF THIS, NONE OF THE BRICK WAS CONSTRUCTED PROPERLY. UM, THAT'S WHAT STAFF DETERMINED. AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE BRICK AND, UH, I'M GONNA SAY STAFF ON THIS, BUT PLEASE LOOK TO ME WHEN I SAY STAFF ON THIS ONE. UM, STAFF HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, OWNERS. UM, AND I WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET APPROVED FOR THIS, UM, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THE BRICK? AND A CONVERSATION WAS HAD ABOUT DONATING IT. UM, I ASKED ANOTHER MEMBER OF STAFF WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE PLACE TO UM, WHERE THE BRICK COULD BE DONATED. AND, [00:55:01] UM, IN THAT CONVERSATION, UH, SOME THINGS GOT MISUNDERSTOOD AND THE OWNER HAS ALREADY TAKEN THE BRICK FOR IT TO BE DONATED AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE IN OUR POWER TO TRY TO SEE IF HE CAN BE RECOVERED. UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE REPORT, YOU WILL SEE A LETTER FROM, UM, THE BRICK COMPANY, UM, STATING THAT BASICALLY IT'S TOO LATE, UNFORTUNATELY. AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, STAFF MYSELF WILL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT 'CAUSE MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HELD THAT CONVERSATION FOR A LATER DATE. OKAY. WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO ON THE CHIMNEY AND THE FRONT COLUMNS? UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO THE DRAWINGS, THE CHIMNEY AND THE FRONT COLUMN, THE BRICKS SHOULD STILL REMAIN THERE. AND THE PORCH PICTURE ON PAGE 25 SHOWS A CHIMNEY PARTIALLY DI DISMANTLED. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THAT PHOTO, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE OWNERS ARE AVAILABLE. UM, YES, I HAVE SEEN THAT UH, THERE WAS STILL BRICK THERE. UM, BECAUSE THOSE GUYS YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO WERE REMOVING A BRICK, UH, THE BRICK SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED FOR OR PLACED AWAY FOR STORAGE FOR THE CHIMNEY TO BE RE UH, REBUILT. BECAUSE AS YOU SEE IN THE DRAWINGS, THE CHIMNEY DOES CONTAIN THE BRICK. THAT WAS ALWAYS OUR UNDERSTANDING. OKAY, THANK YOU TERENCE. MM-HMM . AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE TWO, UH, TWO FOLKS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, TABITHA HENSLEY. WELL, I THINK THE OWNERS ARE JUST, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THE OWNERS ARE GONNA SPEAK. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL STANDBY. OKAY. AND WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, SO, OKAY. DO YOU WANNA ASK THE QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION STAFF FOR, FOR THE OWNERS. AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME IN THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS TABITHA HENSLEY. HERE HAVE TO REPLACE THE CHIMNEY. SO WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS, IS TO GET, UM, A DIFFERENT KIND OF HISTORIC BRICK FOR THE PLACES WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE THE BRICK. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, WE'RE KEEPING THE BRICK COLUMN AND THAT RAILING. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GO TO THE ANTIQUE BRICK PLACE AND, AND PICK OUT A, A RELEVANT HISTORIC BRICK. SO YOU DON'T WANT THE BRICK ON SITE? NO, I'M SORRY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE BRICK ON SITE FOR THE CHIMNEY? NO. OKAY. UM, WAS THAT ALL DISPOSED OF AT THE SAME TIME? YES. YES. OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF DAYS, IT TOOK SOME TIME FOR THE, THE OWNER OF THE BRICK PLACE TO HAUL OFF THE BRICK. OKAY. AND WHY? AND Y'ALL CALLED THE BRICK PLACE TO HAVE IT HAULED OFF TO DONATE UHHUH TO DONATE. WE DONATED IT, LIKE YOU CAN HAVE IT IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY. GOTCHA. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PLAN ON REUSING IT OR YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF STAFF. WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF STAFF. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON REUSING IT IN OUR PLANS AS YOU COULD SEE. SO MR. KIR, NOT THE, NOT THE BRICK PREMIER, THE HOUSE ITSELF, IT'S, IT'S PEER AND BEAM. IT'S NOT A SLAB LONG GRAY, IT'S PEER AND BEAM. SO THE BRICK HAS BEEN UNTIL RECENTLY ON SOME SORT OF A, A FOOTING, GR FOOTING, A GRADE BEAM, SOME, SOME CONCRETE, UH, SHELF ON THE GROUND, NOT NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. YES SIR. CORRECT. THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE ALL BUILT. PERIMETER GRADE BEAMS. THAT'S WHY THE BRICK FAILS SO EASILY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO A SLAB. IT ONLY TOOK 70 OR SO YEARS FOR THE BRICK TO FAIL. UM, 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING CONNECTION WAS, WAS AT WHATEVER TIES THERE WERE BACK IN THE DAY. SO, SO THE REPLACEMENT OF THE, THE RECREATION OF THE CHIMNEY WITH NEW OLD BRICK INCLUDES A NEW FOUNDATION PRESUMABLY FOR THAT REPLACEMENT BRICK? YOU KNOW, YOU NO. YEAH. MUST WELL, YES, WE WILL BUILD IT CORRECTLY. I MEAN, I, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT SO I, I MEAN, YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN, OUR MATERIAL PREFERENCE [01:00:01] WOULD'VE BEEN TO KEPT, KEEP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING SO MUCH ABOUT THE BRICK IS IT WOULD, ACCORDING TO THE PHOTOS WE'VE SEEN AT THAT TIME, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN MUCH BRICK OF THE MANY BRICK THAT'S SO SCATTERED ACROSS THE SITE TO REUSE, TO, UH, REBUILD THAT PORTION OF THE CHIMNEY THAT'S LOST. BUT I GUESS THAT'S ALL IN THE RECENT PAST NOW. BUT IT DOES GO TO JUST, YEAH, THE, THE TAKING ACTION WITHOUT A COA OR, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE, THE APPROVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THIS IS A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC MATERIAL. UM, AND NOT TO SAY THAT IT WASN'T, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD HAVE BEEN REUSED, UM, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE HASTY TO HAVE TAKEN THE ACTION TO, TO DO AWAY WITH THE MATERIAL, UM, WHICH IS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS, TO THE HOUSE. PART OF WHAT WE DO IS, IS TRY AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND NEW MATERIALS. AND SO MATCHING A HISTORIC BRICK OR GOING TO PURCHASE A HISTORIC BRICK TO APPLY BACK TO THIS HOUSE REALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO MATCH, WE'RE HERE TO PRESERVE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM IN, I GUESS TERRENCE, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO YES, UH, PLEASE. STAFF MEMBER TERRANCE JACKSON. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IF IN CASE THERE'S, UH, MISCONCEPTION OR A MISUNDERSTANDING LIKE THEY, THEY WERE GIVING PER GIVEN PERMISSION TO REMOVE THE BRICK ONCE IT FELL, UM, BY STAFF AND, AND INSPECTORS. UH, SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY WERE DOING IT WITHOUT A COA ONCE, ONCE THE WALL FELL, WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, WE THINK IT'S, I IMPORT IT'S UNSAFE AND WE THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD REMOVE IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FACT THAT RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EAST ELEVATION IS A METRO BUS STOP. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY GET THAT BRICK OFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SURE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY, THEY WERE PLAYING IT, KIDS WERE PLAYING OUTSIDE WHEN THE, WHEN THE FIRST WALL FELL. YES, SIR. JUST HAPPENED TO FALL. YES, SIR. AND SO, UM, IT WAS A SAFETY, A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE. UM, CERTAINLY I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER, BUT GO AHEAD. I JUST, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU LET THEM TAKE THE BRICK OFF. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY THEY'RE GETTING A FREE PASS ON NOT REINSTALLING THE BRICK ENVELOPE ON THE HOUSE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE, I MEAN, WE HAVE MADE PEOPLE WHO TAKE WOOD WINDOWS OUT FIND SALVAGE WINDOWS. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO FIND SALVAGE BRICK. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE GET TO JUST IGNORE THAT AND LET THEM BUILD A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S, WE KNOW WAS ON THE SITE. YES. UM, STAFF WAS ORIGINALLY OKAY WITH, UM, THE SIGHTING GOING UP BECAUSE I MEAN, ANYONE THAT'S DRIVEN BY THIS PLACE FOR THE PAST, I WANNA SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO SEE THAT IT'S JUST BEEN DETERIORATING AND DETERIORATING AND DETERIORATING. UM, STAFF ALSO DIDN'T FEEL THAT, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE GRAY BEAM THAT'S GOING AROUND, UM, THAT, I MEAN, ALL OF IT WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE. NOW I'M NOT TRYING TO, UM, CLAIM FINANCIAL HARDSHIP FOR, FOR THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, WE JUST FELT THAT IT WASN'T FEASIBLE, UM, FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GET THE BRICK, UH, CLEANED UP, GET THE MORTAR REMOVED, HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER GRADE BEAM, AND THEN PUT THE BRICK BACK UP. BECAUSE THE, THE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EVALUATION, IT'S YOUR GUYS' DECISION. SURE. BUT YOUR EVALUATION AND STAFF, AND I'M NOT SURE IF PETE LOOKED AT IT, WAS THAT THE GRADE BEAM THAT'S THERE IS NOT TIED TO THE FOUNDATION SYSTEM. IT APPEARS, AND ALSO IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO CORRECT ACTUALLY MEET THE DESIGN INTENTION OF THE HOME WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WHICH IS WHY IT FAILED. EXACTLY. ALONG WITH MAYBE NOT HAVING ENOUGH BRICK TIES AND WHATEVER BRICK TIES IT HAD AT THIS POINT MAY HAVE RUSTED IT OUT AND SIMPLY THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED THE WALL TO FALL. YES. UH, SO, UM, YES, UH, PETE AND I WENT OUT THERE THREE TIMES AND, AND HE HAD THE SAME SENTIMENT BASICALLY. BUT THERE'S STILL AN ISSUE OF THE HAVING BRICK ON THE HOUSE AND HAVING, NEEDING TO HAVE THAT BRICK MATCH THAT THE BRICK THAT WAS ON THE HOUSE. RIGHT. AND WHAT, HOW, HOW FUN WOULD IT BE TO GO AND FIND SIMILAR BRICK TO WHAT WAS JUST REMOVED FROM THE SITE? RIGHT. AND, AND I MEAN, STAFF FEELS, UH, [01:05:01] TERRIBLE ABOUT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BRICK IS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING TOOK PLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SAY I, I WILL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. BUT I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T TELL HIM TO GO DONATE THE BRICKS, DID YOU? I TOLD HIM WHERE TO DONATE THE BRICK, AND I TOLD THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GO THROUGH COMMISSION, BUT AGAIN, THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH HAMMERS, THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE. I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES, BUT I MEAN, THE MOMENT I FOUND OUT THAT THE BRICK HAD BEEN HAULED AWAY, I IMMEDIATELY GOT ON THE PHONE AND TRIED TO START. HE HAD ALREADY SOLVED THE BRICK. I KNOW. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE READING RULES AND DENYING THE PREVIOUS FAMILY'S DESIRE TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO THEIR HOUSE AND BEING VERY STICKLERS TO A RULE WRITTEN IN THE, IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINE. AND THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE COME UP TO THE DAY AND WE SAY, WELL, NO BIG DEAL. YOU CAN HAUL OFF ALL YOUR HISTORIC MATERIAL AND IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. I, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH OUR LACK OF CONSISTENCY WITH ADHERENCE TO THE RULES THAT ARE WRITTEN DOWN AND, AND WHICH MEANS LOSS OF HISTORIC MATERIAL IS WHY WE'RE HERE. I HAVE REMOVED A BRICK FROM AN ENTIRE HOUSE, SAVED ALL THAT BRICK, REPAIRED THE CONCRETE, AND LAID THE WHOLE, LAID A WHOLE, LAID ALL THE BRICK BACK. I JUST TOOK OFF ALL THE STUCCO OFF OF A HISTORIC HOUSE, PUT TYVEK ON IT, AND REDID ALL OF THE STUCCO. IT IS VERY POSSIBLE TO MAKE AN OLD HOUSE NEW AGAIN AND PRESERVE HISTORIC MATERIALS AND HISTORIC CHARACTER AND HISTORIC LOOKS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING AN OLD SCRATCH FACE, BRICK HOUSE AND MAKING IT INTO A WOOD SIDING HOUSE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME. AND I'M JUST FRUSTRATED WITH THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO 'CAUSE I, THE BRICK'S ALL GONE. BUT YES, WE COULD GO FIND SCRATCH FACE BRICK IN THIS TOWN, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TAN OR RED, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, WE, WE WE'RE STILL, WE'VE GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER TO SPEAK. SO, UM, UM, THE NEXT SPEAKER THAT SIGNED UP IS VIRGINIA KELSEY. AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE SAID, I'LL PROBABLY CONFUSE THE ISSUES, BUT I'LL TRY, IF NOT CONFUSE IT OR SHED LIGHT. I HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW. DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. I AM VIRGINIA KELSEY, UH, VP OF DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER. UM, WE WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE BRICK COULD NOT BE SALVAGED. I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION IT HAD TO BE REMOVED. UM, I WILL SAY I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT PARTICULAR BRICK BEFORE. IT'S NOT A QUITE A COMMON BRICK, SO BEING ABLE TO MATCH THAT BRICK WITH A TYPICAL YELLOW BRICK WOULD NOT BE VERY EASY TO DO. UM, THE NOR HILL, UH, BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY TO, UM, APPROVE THIS ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE, UM, SMALL PORCH ON THE FRONT, THE, I MEAN THE, THERE WAS A ROOM ON THE FRONT THAT YOU SEE THAT THE BRICK WENT INTO WAS ORIGINAL, BUT GIVEN THAT IT WAS OUTSIDE THE BODY OF THE HOUSE, IT WAS MOST LIKELY SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY ADDED ON DURING CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED WITH THE FRONT WALL GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS, IT JUST SEEMS VERY EVIDENT THAT IT WAS ORIGINAL, BUT IT WAS AN ALTERATION THAT THE TYPICAL DESIGNS THAT IT PROBABLY COPIED. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE? UM, WERE THESE SORTS OF HOUSES, WHICH THAT'S A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER, I HAVE FOUR IMAGES THAT ARE ALL VERY TYPICAL HOUSES WHERE YOU HAVE THE FRONT, THE, THE, THE PORCH GOING ACROSS THE FRONT WITH THE TWO COLUMNS. AND IT SEEMS THAT GIVEN HOW THE SITUATION IS, YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THAT THE FRONT WALL FOR IT TO MAKE SENSE. MOTION. GRANT THE SPEAKER MORE TIME A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. TO, UM, MAKE SENSE OF THE DESIGN AS IT IS WITHOUT THE BRICK, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY FUR OUT THE FRONT WALL. AND THAT SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A BRICK COLUMN DYING INTO SIDING IS NOT TYPICALLY SEEN IN NOR HILL. YOU WANNA GO THE NEXT TWO PICTURES AND THIS IS WHAT'S TYPICALLY DONE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE BRICK, UH, YOU'D HAVE COLUMNS IN FRONT OF THE SIDING PIECE. SO ALL OF IT'S CREATING SOME SORT OF FALSE HISTORY. WHAT IS THE BEST FALSE HISTORY ACKNOWLEDGING [01:10:01] THAT NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FELT LIKE CREATING? WHAT IS THE TYPICAL PLAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HAVING TWO BRICK COLUMNS? PUTTING BACK THE RAILING ACROSS THE FRONT AND PUTTING IN THE CHIMNEY WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, VIRGINIA. THE DESIGN, CAN YOU PUT THE DESIGN UP AGAIN THAT YOU YEP. SO IT, SO THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT EXISTS, THE DOOR EXISTS, THERE'S OPENINGS WHERE YOU WOULD PUT TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS AND IT WOULD BE REPLACING THE, UM, BRICK COLUMN ON THE RIGHT. AND NOR HILL DID THIS. MM-HMM . HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT? YES. THE APPLICANT LIKES THIS IDEA. UM, THEY DIDN'T WANNA CONFUSE THINGS 'CAUSE THINGS ARE ALREADY CONFUSED ENOUGH. UM, AND SO, BUT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT OF THIS. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT OF THIS? SORRY, THIS IS TABITHA HENSLEY AGAIN. UM, WE LIKE IT, BUT WE, WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT, WE WERE, WE WOULD BE TAKING SOMETHING OUT THAT WAS ORIGINAL AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS NOT USUALLY SUPPORTED. AND SO, UM, AS A RESULT, WE WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED KEEPING THE SUNROOM. UM, BUT NOR HILL AND VIRGINIA REALLY FELT STRONGLY ABOUT ASKING TO SEE IF MAYBE IT COULD BE REMOVED AND, AND THEY CAN DO THAT. BUT I, I LIKE IT EITHER WAY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, SO IT JUST, THANK YOU. YOU WANNA GET YOUR PROJECT DONE? I WOULD LIKE TO GET MY PROJECT DONE. YES. , THANK YOU. BUT HILL FELT VERY STRONGLY AND ASKED ME TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT IT. VIRGINIA, YOUR PLAN IS SHOWING A FRONT PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS WITH TWO COLUMNS AND THEN THE STEPS WOULD BE CONCRETE IN THE WITH BRICK SIDES. YES. WHICH THERE ARE BRICK SIDES NOW. OKAY. THEY'RE STILL THERE. MM-HMM . UM, I MEAN, I LIKE YOUR, YOUR RATIONALE, VIRGINIA. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, BUT ALSO IF THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, EVEN THOUGH THAT ALTERATION WAS MADE DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORY OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE. UH, I, I AM INTERESTED IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT HAS AN APPETITE FOR REPLACING THE BRICK ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH AN INKIND BRICK. ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO STATE IS, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF SORT OF PUTTING A, LIKE A FRONT FACADE, A BRICK OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU STOP THAT KIND OF THING CREATES A FALSE HISTORY AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF A DISNEYLAND EFFECT WHERE YOU HAVE THE STOREFRONT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT STRONGLY THAT IF YOU CAN'T MATCH THE BRICK AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS UNUSUAL SITUATION, WHY NOT CREATE WHAT WAS TYPICAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I THINK MY TIME'S UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THERE, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE RESOURCES IN TOWN FOR, FOR BRICK MATCHING AND BRICK ANTIQUE BRICK SUPPLY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE CLEAR TO COMMISSION MEMBERS. I MEAN THIS SCRATCH BRICK, AS YOU MENTIONED, MOST WHAT I'VE SEEN IS AN ACME BRICK FROM BACK IN THE DAY. ACME STILL MAKES THAT BRICK PRESENTATION MOLD. YOU FIND YOU CAN FIND THIS BRICK OLD AND SALVAGED IN A NUMBER OF PLACES. AND IT'S, I'VE WORKED ON MANY, MANY PROJECTS WHERE I NEEDED TO PATCH ACNE SCRATCH FACE. I KNOW FOR SURE. RIGHT. AND THEY MAKE THE, THEY MAKE AND THEY MAKE YELLOW NEW. BUT THEY ALSO, I'VE SOURCED A LOT OF EXISTING BRICK, JUST LIKE WAS DONATED FROM THIS SITE. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS A POURED HOLLOW CONCRETE PORCH ON THE LEFT, AND THERE'S, UM, ORIGINAL THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACE THAT THAT IS CLOSER TO THE STREET IS, IS ORIGINAL SHIPLAP ON ORIGINAL P AND BEAM. SO THIS PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS WOULD BE NOT AT ALL IN KEEPING WITH THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. UH, I MEAN, THAT PROPOSED PLAN WOULD BE IN ESSENCE TELLING THEM THEY CAN DEMOLISH THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY, IN MY OPINION, CLOSE TO THAT WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BRICK AND THE RIGHT KIND OF DEFERENCE TO REINSTALLING WHAT WE KNOW WAS THE HISTORICAL MATERIAL ON THIS HOUSE. SO, I MEAN, I'M CERTAINLY NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THAT THAT PLAN. I UNDERSTAND. AND SO THE ORIGINAL PORCH DIDN'T EXTEND ON UNDERNEATH THAT SUNROOM. IT WAS, IT WAS ALL JUST WOOD FRAMED? THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT. DEFER. I MEAN, IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO TO GO BACK WITH BRICK, THEN YEAH, I'D SAY DEFER AND, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, GRANT THE STAFF THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE THE DETAILS OF THAT'D LIKE TO. MAY I COMMENT CHAIR, PLEASE, ROBIN? I JUST TO, UH, COMMISSIONER CO COSGROVE'S [01:15:01] POINT, UM, THERE IS STILL SOMETHING THERE WHEN YOU'RE ON SITE AND I WAS ON THE SITE, UH, ONLY ONCE DURING THE TIME AT WHICH THE BRICK WAS, UH, 98% REMOVED. SO I SAW THE, THE FIRST THING YOU NOTICE IS THAT IT HAS A DOUBLE WALL OF SHIPLAP. IT HAS THE INTERIOR SHIPLAP AND THEN IT HAS THE EXTERIOR SHIPLAP. AND THE FIRST THING YOU NOTICE ARE THE BEAUTIFUL ONE BY 12 EXTERIOR SHIPLAP BOARDS RUNNING THAT WHOLE SIDE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BRICK, THE NEXT THING YOU THINK ABOUT ARE WHERE THE TIES AND AS FAR AS I COULD TELL YOU COULDN'T FIND THEM. AND THEN YOU SEE THAT LOW, UM, I CALL IT A PERIMETER BEAM COMMISSIONER MCNEIL LABELED IT BETTER. BUT THAT, THAT THE, THE BRICK WAS ON. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE WINDOWS ARE THERE, THE INTERIOR SHIPLAP IS THERE. IN FACT, THE HOUSE IS VERY LITTLE ALTERATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER HAD CENTRAL AIR. UM, AND, UH, JUST TO COMMENT THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT A LONG TIME, A REALLY LONG TIME, AND IN DETERIORATED STATE. AND, UH, THE MARKETING OF IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE O DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S ON STUA WOOD IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A METRO STOP THERE. UH, AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A, AS A, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO BRING IT TO USAGE AND THERE IS A STRUCTURE THERE, A BOX THERE THAT IS ALL TOGETHER IN GOOD SHAPE ACTUALLY WHAT'S LEFT. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ROMAN, IS THERE A FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO YOU WANT, IS THERE A MOTION? WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS A LITTLE FURTHER BETWEEN US, UM, MR. CURRY, IF WE'RE TO CONSIDER A MOTION TO DEFER, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS AND BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT OUR INTENT FOR THAT IS. IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE WANT TO SEE THAT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR ARE WE GONNA DEFER IT TO STAFF'S? UH, CONTINUED WORK WITH THE APPLICANT QUESTION. I DON'T SEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT IN, IN THE DESIGN THAT THEY'RE BRINGING TODAY. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF APPETITE FOR WHAT NOR HILL IS PROPOSING. UH, SINCE IT NEVER HAD A FRONT PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS, UM, UH, YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO DETERMINE WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT, I GUESS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA ASK THEM TO BRICK THE HOUSE? MAY, MAY. I, IT SOUNDS LIKE AS I'M LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION, IT REALLY SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE ISSUE HERE IS, UM, TO PUT THAT, TO USE BRICK OR NOT. SO EVERYTHING ELSE MINUS THE BRICK. SO IS IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? AND I I FIND THAT YOU'RE KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF, WHERE YOU ARE NEEDING TO MAKE A MOTION, WHICH IS SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONDITION OF PLEASE USE BRICK. IS IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE I, NEIL MAKES A MOTION THAT THE PRO I NEED CLARIFICATION. I NEED CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, PLEASE. ON YOU HAVE LANGUAGE IN YOUR CONDITIONS THAT SAID, ROOF RAFTER TAILS OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE REMAIN CLOSED AND THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE REPAIRED. RIGHT? SO WE'RE REPAIRING ALL THE WINDOWS. GREAT. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, ALUMINUM SIDING SALESMEN CAME AROUND IN THE 1950S RIGHT? AND CLOSED OFF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN OPEN TAIL STRUCTURE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR CLOSED TAIL COMMENT CLOSED FROM THE BEGINNING. FROM, FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FIND. I, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, BUT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON FILE FOR STAFF, UM, THE ROOF WRAPPER TAILS APPEAR TO BE CLOSED. AND I MEAN, GRANTED, DON'T GET ME WRONG, THE OWNER WOULD PREFER TO HAVE OPEN RAPTOR TAILS. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY STAY CLOSED IS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AS FAR AS AT WITH ALL THE PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE ON FILE, PAGE NINE OF ONE OR WHATEVER. IT'S RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE ONE 10, YOU HAVE ONE 10 PLYWOOD THAT WAS PUT UP AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A LOSING SIDING. THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE ONE BY 12 BOXES MIGHT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL, BUT I CAN'T, THEY IS THERE THERE'S BOX SOFFIT RIGHT HERE, TERRANCE. YES, SIR. AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S ORIGINAL? WHEN THERE'S ONE 10 SIDING, I'M, THIS HOUSE NEVER WOULD'VE HAD BOXED RAFTER, BUT IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY. IT'S A CRAFT LOCAL. YEAH. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IF THEY, THEY WANT TO KEEP OPEN RAFTER TAILS SO WE CAN REMOVE THAT CONDITION WITH NO PROBLEM. SO, BUT, [01:20:01] BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S A CONDITION. IF IT EXISTED AND WAS MODIFIED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN YOU TAKE THAT, YOU OPEN THAT BOTTOM UP, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY WERE ONCE EXPOSED YEAH. AND SAW THE LIVE DAY. RIGHT. AND, AND IF, AND SO YOU WOULD BE, UM, YOU COULD EASILY HAVE, HAVE THAT OCCUR AND BE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS. RIGHT. UM, CAN WE CLARIFY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PORK CHOPS? PORK CHOPS, , LIKE SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM PORK CHOPS. OH NO, THE, YEAH. OPEN RAPTORS. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTOR TAILS. I'M GOOD. GENERALLY, GENERALLY THE RAPTOR TAILS NOT JUST THE FRONT, BUT ALSO ALONG THE SIDE. AND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THE SIDING HAS BEEN CHANGED TO SOMETHING MUCH MORE RECENT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS EVIDENCE, WHICH IS EASY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF ONE WERE TO LOOK UNDERNEATH THAT SIDING OF THE SOFFIT AREA, MCNEIL'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, PLEASE. UM, SO I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE HOMEOWNER WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL OF THE SOFFIT REMAIN OPEN. THE RAFTER TAILS ARE OPEN FASCIA BOARD INSTALL, INSTALL FASCIA BOARD ON, BUT THE SOFFIT REMAINS OPEN. RIGHT. OKAY. AND, AND THAT, AND THAT A, A SUITABLE SCRATCH FACE, BRICK BE FOUND TO PUT ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. OKAY. THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS ARE TO BE REPAIRED, NOT REPLACED AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KAREN. OKAY. STAFF HAS A QUESTION. OKAY, GOOD. ARE WE RECOMMENDING BRICK FOR THE FRONT FACADE? I BELIEVE YOU SAID FROM, SORRY, EARLIER FOR THE WHOLE STRUCTURE. THREE SIDES. OKAY. THE REAR, THE, WELL THE REARS AN ADDITION AND THE, AND THE ADDITION IS NEW. SO THE REAR FACE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BRICK, BUT THE OTHER THREE SIDES WOULD OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, NOT THE ADDITION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY AGAINST, ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM 14 2 2 0 6 LUBBOCK STREET. I I'LL BEGIN MY PRESENTATION AS SOON AS WE GET TO THE SLIDE. CONTROL L . GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LEVENTHAL. TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM D 14 22 0 6 LUBBOCK STREET IN THE OLD SIX WARD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS A HOME THAT HAD DONE ON PERMITTED WORK AND WITHOUT A COA STAFF RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WENT OUT THERE TWO DAYS AFTER CHRISTMAS. WE FOUND THAT WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. THE BEVELED SIDING HAD MOSTLY BEEN REMOVED AND TEXTURE SIDING HAD BEEN PUT UP. NO HISTORIC WINDOWS HAD BEEN REMOVED AND NEW WINDOWS HAD BEEN PUT IN FLESH MOUNTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE NOT DONE IS PUT IN THE REAR EDITION, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. NOW, IN SPEAKING WITH THE OWNER, ALEXIS GARCIA, WHO IS NOT HERE TODAY, HE IS VERY MUCH, UM, IN COOPERATION TO RESTORE THIS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL. WE HAVE ON PAGE FOUR, A BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY BUILDING LAND ASSESSMENT SURVEY THAT DOES SHOW THE TWO PAIR OF WINDOWS AND SPINDLE COLUMNS. NOW THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. AND THEN SOMETIME THEY SAY IN THE EIGHTIES THAT THEY PUT IN ONE LARGE PICTURE FRAME. SO THE OWNER IS GONNA BRING THIS BACK AND RESTORE FAITHFULLY. SO IN ADDITION TO THE ONE STORY, AND I KEEP IN MIND, IT'S ONLY ONE STORY TOTALING 400 4431 SQUARE FEET. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA INSET AND RECESS THE ALREADY INSTALLED WINDOWS, MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT FLESH MOUNTED ANYMORE. AND WHEN THEY REMOVED ALL THE SMOOTH BEVEL SIDING, THERE IS STILL EVIDENCE THAT'S THERE. ONE SECTION WAS JUST TO THE RIGHT ELEVATION THAT YOU COULD SEE IT. SO HE'S COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THAT. SO WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS GONNA BE A DENIAL OF THE COA AND AN ISSUANCE OF COR TO REPLACE THE TEXTURED [01:25:01] SIDING WITH SMOOTH BEVELED SIDING WITH A FIVE INCH REVEAL ON THE FRONT, LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS ADD A SILL TO THE WINDOW TRIM AND ALL WINDOWS INSET AND RECESS. THE ALREADY INSTALLED WINDOWS AND APPROVED AS SUBMITTED FOR ALL OTHER PROPOSED WORK. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT THE WINDOW MATERIAL IS? LOOKS LIKE ALUMINUM. I DO BELIEVE THAT DID IS WOOD. IT MIGHT BE, UM, ALUMINUM CLAD. IT IS A PLY GYM. HAS ANYONE SEEN THE IN INTERIOR OR DO WE HAVE AN INTERIOR PHOTOGRAPH THAT MIGHT SHOW YES WOOD. GO TO PAGE 11. THIS IS A PICTURE TAKEN ON DECEMBER 27TH AND LOOKS BLACK ON THE INTERIOR. YEAH, IT DOES. COULD TELL ME IT'S AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. IT'S, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT MONEY THAT IT'S ALUMINUM. IS THERE SOME REASON WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING HIM TO PUT IN WOOD WINDOWS? WELL, JASON, MY QUESTION, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED WERE NOT ORIGINAL. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 12 OF THE STAFF REPORT, WE SAW THE WINDOWS ALREADY ON THE INSIDE. WE WERE INSIDE AND WE LOOKED AT THESE AND WE DETERMINED THAT THEY HAVE FINS. AND SO THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE TAKEN OUT SOMETIME IN THE PAST. THESE ARE NON HISTORIC WINDOWS THAT THEY'VE REMOVED AND PUT IN PLACE WITH PLIGHT JAM. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, IF YOU HAD A WINDOW THAT COULDN'T BE REPAIRED, YOU COULD REPLACE IT AS LONG AS IT LOOKED RIGHT, BUT YOU'D HAVE SOME OPTION ON MATERIALS TO CHOOSE FROM. SO I THINK IT'S A SIMILAR, THAT THAT ASPECT IS SIMILAR. HEY, COMMISSIONER ESVA, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT. THE REASON WHY I PULLED THIS, UH, FOR TWO REASONS. FIRST IS THERE'S NO WINDOW, UH, SCHEDULE FOR OR FOR WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THE FRONT. AND THIS SAID THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE THE PICTURE, UH, WINDOWS WITH TWO, UH, TWO BY TWO. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, WINDOW SCHEDULE WITHIN THE C OF A, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WINDOWS WOULD BE THERE OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND JASON, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUGGESTING THE WINDOWS THEY ALREADY PURCHASED AND INSTALLED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECESS THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO. ACTUALLY TWO, NO. COMMISSIONER AVA'S QUESTION. THE ALREADY INSTALLED WINDOWS AS COMMISSIONER MCNEIL BROUGHT UP, POINT OUT THAT THEY'RE ALUMINUM, THESE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT HAVE NOT BEEN PURCHASED. AND SO THEY CAN BE WOOD WINDOWS ONE OVER ONE AND SET RECESSED. SO THERE USED TO BE TWO OVER TWO. SO THE DISCUSSION SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TWO OVER TWO IN THE FRONT. YES. I'M SORRY THAT MATCHED THE PICTURE. I'M SORRY. I'M SO USED TO SO MANY WINDOWS BE ONE OVER ONE. BUT YEAH, THE PICTURE, COULD WE LOOK AT PAGE FOUR OF 21 PLEASE? AND ALSO TOO, I DO HAVE ON THE DRAWINGS OF THE FRONT ELEVATION, I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S WHERE WE, LEMME SEE. SO COULD WE ZOOM IN UP, STAY ON PAGE FOUR. SO JASON, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS ON THAT PORCH, CORRECT? YES. AND, AND IS THE, IS THE STATED CURRENT GOAL TO, UH, TO RECREATE THAT CONDITION, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND CAN WE, CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THOSE WINDOWS MORE PLEASE? AND I, UM, SO, SO IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR AND WHAT IS THAT? AND I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 25 YEARS. I USED TO LIVE BEHIND THAT HOUSE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND I REMEMBER HAVING THAT FOUR OVER FOUR WINDOWS, NOT TWO OVER TWO. AND THAT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE PROPOSED TWO OVER TWO, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE, THIS FOUR OVER FOUR THAT'S IN THE PICTURE. AND ALSO, UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE REPLACED, UH, ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. AND THEY WERE RE THEY'VE BEEN REDUCED TO A SMALLER, UH, AND, AND THERE WAS NO, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UH, AT THAT TIME. SO, UH, OUR HANDS WERE TIED AT THAT TIME. AND TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE CONDITION THAT THESE WINDOWS THAT WILL BE RESTORED ON THE FRONT, B FOUR OVER FOUR, AS IS SHOWN IN THIS BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AS I SAID, YES, THE OWNER IS VERY MUCH, UH, COOPERATIVE AND WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO FOUR OVER FOUR WOULD. AND ALSO, UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER, IF I MAY, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, I NOTICED IT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. WHY IS THAT? NO, ON PAGE ONE, I DO SAY IT'S A CONTRIBUTING QUEEN END STYLE RESIDENT. OH, LET ME LOOK. IT SAYS NON-CONTRIBUTING HERE. OUR MAP HAS CONTRIBUTING. TY, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE C FFA SAYS [01:30:01] CONTRIBUTING, BUT ON THE SCHEDULE IT READS NON-CONTRIBUTING. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT'S AN OLD, THAT'S AN OLD HOUSE BUILDING BACK IN 1906. THAT'S ALL. OKAY, JASON, FOR THE RECORD, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, NOT THAT ANYONE'S HERE, BUT IF ANYONE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SAY SOMETHING. UM, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WE'VE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. IS THERE MORE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. QUESTION. JASON AHEAD. WOULD THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING WOOD YES, IT WAS. AND THIS APPLICANT REMOVED ALL OF THE SIDING, NOT ALL OF IT. AND WE HAVE PROOF OF THAT ON ONE OF THE PAGES WHERE THERE'S STILL WOOD BEVELED SIDING AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT PUT BACK ON THE FRONT. IT'S ON THE LEFT. NO, BUT THE FRONT WAS WOOD AND HE REMOVED ALL THE WOOD. THAT IS CORRECT. AND ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE ELEVATIONS. OKAY. AND WHAT FOR CONSISTENCY? I BELIEVE THAT HE SHOULD REPLACE THAT SIDING WITH WOOD SIDING AND NOT CEMENTITIOUS BOARD? NO, WE ARE ASKING THAT HE, UM, PUT IN SMOOTH BEVELED SIDING. SO WOOD SIDING ON THE FRONT? YES. BEVELED? WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, BE SMOOTH BEVELED WOOD. RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T, A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE FIBER CEMENT PRODUCT GETS DESCRIBED AS EITHER SMOOTH OR TEXTURED. YES. RIGHT. SO, SO IT'S CONFUSING AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T THAT IT'S CONFUSING. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WOOD. OKAY. THEN I CAN MAKE SURE I CLARIFY THAT AND PUT SMOOTH WOOD BEVEL SIDING. NOT PROBLEM. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FRONT AND THE, WHEREVER IT'S BEEN REMOVED, FRONT, LEFT AND RIGHT. ELEVATIONS MAKE SURE MCNEIL, YOU HAD A QUESTION. THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? UH, NO. THEY'RE VISIBLE. YES. YOU TAKE AWAY THE FENCING, THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THE INSET RECESS IN AT A SILL SO IT MATCHES MORE OF THE WINDOW TRIM IN OLD SIX WALLS. OKAY. SO HE IS GONNA, HE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN SET 'EM, TRIM 'EM OUT WITH A SILL SO THAT THEY AT LEAST APPEARED OLD TO SOME DEGREE, BUT THEY'RE STILL BLACK MORE APPROPRIATE TO WHAT DOES THEY ALREADY EXIST IN THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE DISTRICT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER STAAVA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR NOT OKAY, BUT THOSE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED 20 YEARS AGO. THE, THE ONES THAT WILL BE MODIFIED WERE NOT PUT IN NO, THE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED 20 YEARS AGO ARE INSIDE THE HOUSE. OKAY. THEY'RE WOOD. OKAY. THE WINDOWS THAT ARE RECENTLY INSTALLED ARE THE BLACK ALUMINUM? YES. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THE ONES THAT ARE INSIDE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION? I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FRONT, UH, OF TWO OF FRONT TWO WINDOWS TWO, TWO OF FOUR, FOUR WINDOWS MATCHED WITH THE PICTURE, UH, WITH THE B WITH THE BLACK AND WHITE, BLACK BLA, UH, PICTURE, WHICH MEANS IT'S A LITTLE BIT TALLER AND THE LONGER THAN THE ONES ON THE SIDE WINDOWS. AND THEY WOULD BE WOOD. YES. AND THE FRONT, UH, AND THE FRONT SIDING OF THE PORCH AS WELL WOULD BE WOOD. WOULD BE WOOD. AND I THINK STAFF ALSO HAS WOOD SIDING ON THE SIDES QUESTION, CORRECT? AS I SAID, YEAH. WITH THE, THE PORCH AND THE, AND IT WAS SO THE PORCH WOULD BE VISIBLE. YES. AND TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER HICK, IT WOULD BE WOOD SMOOTH BEVEL SIDING ON THE FRONT, LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS? YES. SO PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THE SIDING WOULD YES. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU JASON. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM E COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC COMMISSIONERS. SORRY, I'M SORRY, I HAVE A GAP HERE. SO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, PLEASE COME FORTH. NOT HEARING THAT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. I WAS HESITATING ON THAT, ON THAT ONE PROJECT WITH THE REAR EDITION AND MOVING FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY JUST, THAT THEY GET TO BUILD THIS PORCH. BUT THE DRAWING WAS REALLY A PORCH WITH THE SECOND STORY EDITION. AND SO WE APPROVED SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO DRAWING OF AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND [01:35:01] I WAS HESITANT IN THE MOMENT TO SAY ANYTHING AND THE VOTE WENT THROUGH. BUT NOW I'M REGRETTING THAT I DIDN'T CALL THAT OUT. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE APPROVED. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DRAWING. 'CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS TWO STORY EDITION ON THE BACK. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION ABOUT THE EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE HISTORIC QUALITIES OF OUR, OF OUR FAIR CITY AND ALL OF THE, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THESE, UM, EFFORTS OVER THE YEAR. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME ARE NOW NO LONGER WITH US, BUT MANY, UH, HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING. AND I THINK, UM, I, I SO CELEBRATE THAT THOSE EFFORTS AND I KNOW THESE ARE ONGOING EFFORTS. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CHIME IN TOO. I, I RESISTED, UH, ADDING TO WHAT'S ALREADY SAID SO WELL. UM, BUT YES, MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED OVER MANY YEARS. BUT THE ONE SURVIVOR, I THINK, WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, I'M AFRAID SHE'S LEFT THE ROOM. BUT MINETTE BASIL HAS CONTINUED TO, UH, AMAZE ME ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. AND, UH, TODAY I'M AMAZED THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO SUM UP ALL THOSE DECADES OF BLOOD AND SWEAT AND TEARS, UH, PLENTY OF EACH IN, UH, IN JUST THOSE FEW MINUTES. SO, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, AND I'LL TELL HER MYSELF NEXT TIME I SEE HER, MAYBE EMILY WILL TELL HER FOR ME. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY AMAZEMENT OF THE DAY AND I'M REMINDED THAT NOT SO LONG AGO, UM, THERE WAS A MAYORAL PROCLAMATION CALLING A DAY IN APRIL, SAY IT WAS THE 10TH, BUT, UH, MINUTE BASAL DAY IN HOUSTON. I KNOW IT'S AN HONORIFIC AND IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, BUT, AND IT WAS PROBABLY MEANT TO BE FOR JUST THAT DAY IN APRIL. BUT IN MY MIND, APRIL, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S THE 10TH. SOMEBODY FACT CHECKED ME ON THAT. UH, EVERY APRIL 10TH SHOULD BE BEEN MET. BASAL DAY IN HOUSTON. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? OKAY, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT. ROMAN DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. UM, I, I WANNA BRING UP A PICTURE SINCE IT'S STAYING ON THE SAME SUB SUBJECT. CAN WE ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT? THIS LADY HERE, AND I, I COULD HAVE DONE THIS DURING THE EARLIER, UM, PRESENTATION ABOUT THE 30 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. UH, BUT I, I FRANKLY, I, I DIDN'T WANNA JUST GET THE MEETING GOING TOO LONG. YOU NEVER KNOW HOW FAR SINCE WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MS. BARRY ZIMAN. THERE SHE IS RIGHT THERE. UH, THIS IS A PICTURE I PICK UP PICTURES FROM THE HOUSTON, FROM THE EBAY, UH, HOUSTON POST ARCHIVES. AND THIS IS A HOUSTON POST STORY AND IT TELLS YOU ON THE BACK. BUT, SO SHE WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND SHE ACTUALLY HAD THAT JOB BACK IN 86 OR 84. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, BACK THEN YOU HAD THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM CREATED, WHICH, WHICH, UH, MINETTE ALSO WORKED ON. AND, AND THE 30 YEAR ANNIVERSARY IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE ORDINANCES CREATION, BUT NOT THIS COMMISSION'S CREATION BECAUSE, UH, BARRY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. AND I HAVEN'T FULLY GRASPED, SO I KNOW THOSE THINGS THAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU. AND THEN I KNOW WHAT WHAT IS LISTED IN SOME OTHER, AND THAT IS THAT SHE WAS AN URBAN PLANNER WHO HELPED ORGANIZE AND DIRECT SEVERAL INFLUENTIAL HOUSTON CONSERVATION GROUPS, INCLUDING CITIZENS WHO CARE, CITIZENS ENVIRONMENTAL COALITION, AND THE BUFFALO BAYOU COALITION. SHE WAS AN EARLY CITIZEN'S VOICE FOR DIRECTING MORE ATTENTION TO THE MAJOR STREAM DRAINING, UH, IN HOUSTON. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SO MUCH, UH, POLLUTION INTO OUR STREAM SYSTEM, UH, BACK THEN FOR ITS HISTORICAL AND ECOLOGICAL VALUE AS WELL. SHE WORKED TO GET DEVELOPERS AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT TO JOIN IN ON THE WORK TO CONSERVE THE OLDER AND WILDER PARTS OF HOUSTON. FINALLY, SHE LOBBIED FOR MANY YEARS TO URGE HOUSTON TO STUDY AND PLAN ITS GROWTH SO THAT IT MIGHT DEVELOP IN A MORE COMPACT WAY WITH LESS TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO I, I JUST, I'LL JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP. AND SINCE HER, I THINK WE'VE HAD THOMAS MCW. I UNDERSTAND. UH, I FEEL LIKE I'M, THERE'S ANOTHER GENTLEMAN AND THEN THERE'S DIANA DU CROW, RANDY PACE, RANDY PACE, THAT'S THE ONE I'M MISSING. AND SO YOU HAVE RANDY PACE, DIANA DU CROW, AND THEN IN THE INTERIM, MATT, UH, KRIEGEL. UH, AND THEN, THEN I CAME BACK TO HOUSTON. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BIG TO REPORT. WE, WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON THE RFQ FOR, UH, POTENTIAL, UM, DISTRICT ALLIANCE AVENUE THAT'S GOING FORWARD. WE'RE ALSO, UM, SOME, I THINK WE INVITED A COUPLE PEOPLE WE DIDN'T GET, BUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TRACKER TOOL IS, UH, MOVING ALONG REALLY, REALLY WELL. UH, STAFF IS PRESENTLY TESTING IT, AND THAT CAN COME INTO PLAY IN A FEW MONTHS AND IT HOPEFULLY [01:40:01] BE A LOT USER, MORE USER FRIENDLY, BUT FOR US AND STAFF, IT'LL BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT. AND THEN I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET ONTO SOME OF THE MORE OTHER SIGNIFICANT TASKS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, WHICH IS HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY IN HOUSTON AND OTHER MATTERS. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROMAN. UM, WITH THAT WE'LL CONCLUDE THE MEETING. THANK YOU ALL. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.