[Public Safety Committee on April 8, 2025.]
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COMMITTEE MEETING.WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START.
WE ARE JOINED TODAY BY COUNCIL MEMBER RAMIREZ AND STAFF FROM THE OFFICES OF COUNCIL MEMBER JACKSON CAYMAN, EVAN SHABAZZ, FLICKINGER, CASTILLO, MARTINEZ, CASTEX, TATUM, PLUMMER, AND ELKHORN.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, THE FIRST IS FROM HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS, AND THE SECOND IS FROM THE HOUSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT, BOTH ABOUT AFTER HOURS AND BYOB CLUBS.
SO, UM, RUDY, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND START GOOD MORNING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE AFTER HOURS OR THE, OR, THE BYOB OCCUPANCY AND INVESTIGATIONS PROCESS WITH, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE HPC SERVICE LINE.
UH, TODAY I'LL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT OCCUPANCY INSPECTIONS, THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR OCCUPANTS FOR COS THE INSPECTION PROCESS, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS.
THE MISSION OF THIS OCCUPANCY INSPECTION SECTION IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY, ENSURING THAT THE PROPERTIES COMPLY WITH BUILDING CODES IN PLACE WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED AND ARE SAFE FOR THEIR INHABITANTS.
THIS IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.
OKAY, THINK NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
THIS IS OUR, THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
UM, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS FOR GETTING, RECEIVING YOUR CO.
UH, IT WOULD EITHER BE THROUGH A, UH, FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, AN APPLICATION, AND THEN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CHANGE OF USE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION INFORMATION THAT YOU'LL TYPICALLY SEE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS INFORMATION, NAME OF THE BUSINESS ADDRESS, OWNER CONTACT INFORMATION, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF FLOORS.
SITE MAP IF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE REQUIRED.
UM, BUSINESS TYPES, UH, ARE CURRENT PROPOSED AND PREVIOUS, IF KNOWN, WE, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
AND OF COURSE, PAYMENT METHODS FOR THIS IS CASH CHECK, MONEY ORDER, AND CREDIT CARD.
UM, UNDER THE INSPECTION PROCESS, AN APPLICANT, UH, WELL, WHAT'S LIKE, UH, APPLY FOR IT AND THEN HAVE AN, AN INSPECTION THAT'S PERFORMED.
UM, THE INSPECTION IS DONE BY A SITE VISIT BEING PERFORMED BY THE INSPECTOR WHO WILL GO OUT THERE AND THEY WILL INSPECT IT BASED ON THE CODE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, BASED ON THE CODE THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, UM, IN MANY CASES, IF IT'S JUST A, A NAME CHANGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD NOT BE UNDER THE NEW CODE.
UH, A REPORT IS GENERATED AND IS TYPICALLY AVAILABLE TO, TO THE CUSTOMER, CUSTOMER IN TWO BUSINESS DAYS.
UH, IF ANY CORRECTIONS OR DEFICIENCIES ARE, ARE IDENTIFIED, THERE ARE, YOU HAVE 180 DAYS TO OBTAIN THE PERMITS AND COMPLETE THE REPAIRS FROM THE OCCUPANCY INSPECTION DATE.
AND CORRECTION PERMITS WILL NEED TO BE OBTAINED WITHIN 100 DAYS OR THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT WILL EXPIRE.
STRUCTURAL PERMITS, UH, UM, MAY ACTUALLY BE SECURED BY THE OWNER AGENT, HOWEVER, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING MUST BE SECURED BY A LICENSED CONTRACTOR.
A PERMIT HOLDER MAY REQUEST INSPECTIONS FOR STRUCTURAL, BUT ALL TRADES MUST BE SCHEDULED BY THE SAME, SIMILAR BY THE LICENSED CONTRACTOR.
THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF, UH, CAN BE REQUESTED BY EMAIL AND OCCUPANCY INSPECTIONS ONCE ALL TRADES SHOW APPROVED.
AND A FINAL, UH, AT, AT THAT WEBSITE THERE, BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS.
BUILDING CODE INVESTIGATIONS SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE REPORTED TO 3 1 1 WITH DETAILED INFORMATION.
3 1 1 COMPLAINTS ARE ROUTED TO THE BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS TEAM.
AN INVESTIGATOR WILL VISIT THE SITE AND DETERMINE IF CODE VIOLATIONS ARE PRESENT.
THE SERVICE LINE AGREEMENT FOR THE SLA FOR BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION, EXCUSE ME, IS SEVEN DAYS THE INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.
IF NO BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS ARE OBSERVED AND THE COMPLAINANT IS CONTACTED THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS.
THIS IS TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO
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IDENTIFY DEFICIENCIES, A RED TAG WILL BE ISSUED WITH INFORMATION TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.FOLLOW UP INVESTIGATIONS WILL OCCUR EVERY TWO WEEKS TO DETERMINE IF THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, VERIFY THE PROPERTY IS CONTINUING TO OPERATE OR VERIFY IF THE BUSINESS IS VIOLATING CODE.
ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP MAY BE CONDUCTED BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE VIOLATION.
IF A PROPERTY OWNER FAILS TO COMPLY OR TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE, MUNICIPAL CITATIONS MAY BE ISSUED FOR THE RESPECTIVE CODE VIOLATIONS.
THEY'RE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, A FINE OF NO LESS THAN A HUNDRED, AND NOT MORE THAN 2000 EACH DAY THAT ANY VIOLATION CONTINUES, SHALL CONSTITUTE AND IS PUNISHABLE AS SEPARATE OFFENSE.
THE ISSUES ISSUANCE OF CITATIONS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE CODE COMPLIANCE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED OR THE NOTED VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, WE WERE ALSO JOINED, UM, BY STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS' OFFICE, AND VIRTUALLY FROM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER POLLARD'S OFFICE AS WELL.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN THE QUEUE.
UM, FIRST IS STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EVAN SHABAZZ'S OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN YES, SIR.
ONE, UM, THE PROCESS AFTER YOU FIND OUT A BUSINESS DOES NOT HAVE OCCUPANCY OR OTHER PERMITS, HOW MANY CITATIONS DO YOU ISSUE TO THAT, THAT COMPANY? 'CAUSE I'M AWARE OF SEVERAL WHO'VE BEEN OPERATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND SECOND, WHO DETERMINES THE AMOUNT OF THE DAILY CITATION UP TO $2,000? SO THE, THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT CITATIONS CAN BE ISSUED, THAT IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY IT'S UNLIMITED.
I MEAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO ISSUE CITATIONS.
YOU GET INTO A COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE SCHEDULE OF THE AMOUNT OF THAT CITATION, AS I STATED, IT CANNOT BE LESS THAN TWO 500, BUT IT CAN BE MORE THAN 2000.
I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S SOME SORT OF SCHEDULE AS TO IF IT'S YOUR FIRST, SECOND, THIRD OF THE JUDGE WILL DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE.
BUT I'M NO ATTORNEY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I BELIEVE THE JUDGE WOULD DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE FINE.
SO THESE UNPERMITTED CLUBS, AS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS, CAN CONTINUE TO PAY THESE SMALL CITATIONS WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER A WEEKEND AND THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR, YOUR OFFICE? NO, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT HPC IS A COMPLIANCE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND HPC IS A COMPLIANCE, UH, DEPARTMENT AND SERVICE LINE, MEANING WE, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BRING THE, UH, CLUBS OR BARS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE INTO COMPLIANCE.
UH, BUT WE CAN'T SHUT SOMEBODY DOWN UNLESS THERE'S A LIFE SAFETY COMPONENT THAT'S ISSU THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE OPERATING WITHOUT A CO AND, AND TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, BUT FROM A LIFE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO ENFORCEMENT OF THAT IS WITH YOU OR WHO ENFORCEMENT COULD BE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UH, OR IT COULD BE WITH US IN THE EVENT WE SEE SOMETHING OR WE GO OUT THERE AND WE HAVE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, WE DETERMINE THAT THERE'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, EXPOSED WIRING.
IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEN WE THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
BUT 'CAUSE THEY, THEY DIDN'T GET A CO FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR PATIO.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INTERIOR CLUB.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COME THROUGH US FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND WHEN IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, WHO IS ACTUALLY CLOSING IT DOWN? IS IT YOUR OFFICE OR ARE YOU GOING TO THE FIRE MARSHAL OR HPD? WHO IS ACTUALLY MAKING THAT DECISION TO CLOSE IT DOWN IN THAT SCENARIO? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE VIOLATION IS.
IF IT'S RELATED TO CODE, IT WOULD BE US.
IF IT'S RELATED TO SOME SORT OF FIRE MARSHAL OR SOMETHING RELATED TO A FIRE OR POTENTIAL FIRE, THEN IT WOULD BE THE FIRE MARSHAL.
AND THANK YOU DIRECTOR FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT A COUPLE CLUBS ON WASHINGTON, ALLEGEDLY NOT HAVING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, BUT BEING ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN OPERATION, ONE OF WHICH IS, IS NAMED 53 0 6.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ALLEGATION THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE? I'M SURE I'VE SEEN THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR ADDRESS.
IF IN FACT, IT WAS INVESTIGATED AND FOUND NOT TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOUR DEPARTMENT DO ABOUT THAT? WE WOULD ISSUE A RED TAG AND THEN IF THEY DON'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WE'D START ISSUING CITATIONS.
UH, I BELIEVE MY OFFICE HAS REQUESTED THAT, THAT BE LOOKED INTO.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RESPONSE.
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LOOKING INTO THAT PARTICULAR CLUB? THERE'S ANOTHER CLUB WE GET COMPLAINTS ON CALLED FUEGOS.UM, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT ONE? NOT ON THAT ONE TODAY, SIR.
BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
AND, UM, SO, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, REGARDING THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS, AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS ARE INITIATED BY 3 1 1 CALLS, UH, THAT AN ESTABLISHMENT, I GUESS IS IN VIOLATION OF SOME CODE OR OR OTHER, AND THAT WILL SEND YOU ALL OUT.
UM, I HAVE HEARD ABOUT A FEW INSTANCES FOR BUSINESSES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY WHERE SOMEONE WILL CALL AND ALLEGE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME VIOLATIONS THERE.
AND THEN, UH, INSPECTORS WILL GO OUT AND, UM, AND, AND WRITE 'EM UP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET THAT SITUATION.
UM, AND, AND SOMETIMES THOSE 3, 1 1 CALLS ARE INITIATED BY INVESTORS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUY THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY'LL REPORT THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE HOPES OF GETTING THEM SHUT DOWN, WHICH WILL PUT THEM IN A MORE ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN ON A FEW OCCASIONS.
AND THEN I CONTRAST THAT WITH SITUATIONS LIKE THE CLUBS ON WASHINGTON WHERE RESIDENTS WILL COMPLAIN.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY YET.
THEY'RE CONTINUED TO, THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS THAT THAT FRUSTRATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING CAN BE, CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANT BUSINESSES TO, TO, UH, REMAIN SAFE AND, AND UP TO CODE.
BUT YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT I'M THINKING OF ON THE EAST SIDE HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR DECADES, NOT DOING ANYBODY AT ANY HARM.
THEY ARE, THEY DON'T POSE A HEALTH RISK, BUT YOU KNOW, NOW THEY HAVE TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE UPGRADES, YOU KNOW, AND GET SHUT DOWN AND SO FORTH.
SO IT'S JUST, JUST FRUSTRATING.
UM, SAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ALCORN'S OFFICE.
AND, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE SUCCESS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SHUTTING DOWN IS HAVING THE FIRE MARSHAL BE CALLED IN ADVANCE OF AN SCHEDULED EVENT, COME EMPTY OUT THE BUILDING TO THE EXISTING CO IF THEY HAVE ONE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO AWARE OF BOTH, UM, 53 0 6 WASHINGTON AND WAGO, AND I'M WORKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CAYMAN'S OFFICE AND YOUR TEAM AND HPDI THINK WHAT'S LACKING IS ALSO, UM, COLLABORATION WITH HPD, WHO I KNOW IS NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA, BUT WE WORK REALLY, UM, GREAT WITH THEIR LOUD NOISE UNIT.
THEY DON'T HAVE INFORMATION WHEN THEY'RE ISSUING CITATIONS FOR LACK OF A NOISE PERMIT AND OTHER HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN ALSO CITE FOR AN INVALID CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE LIEUTENANT OVER THE LOUD NOISE UNIT AT CENTRAL HAS ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION IF IT COULD BE ALL SENT TO ONE PLACE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO CAPTURE WITHOUT DOING A WHOLE INVESTIGATION.
UM, AND THEN I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK THE HOURS THAT YOUR INSPECTORS WORK.
SO TYPICALLY EIGHT TO FIVE, WE DO HAVE AN INSPECTION TEAM THAT WILL WORK, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS IF THEY'RE PERFORMING INSPECTIONS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR, FOR BUSINESS NIGHT CLUBS AT MIDNIGHT NIGHTCLUB.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THESE VIOLATIONS OR WHEN YOU'RE HAVING NOISE COMPLAINTS, IT, IT'S NOT AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, IT'S AT MIDNIGHT OR TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE TO RELY.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS POLICE IN THE FIRE MARSHAL TO RESPOND.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.
DIRECTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND WE'LL SWITCH OVER NOW TO THE HOUSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION.
AND AS WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION, UM, WE WERE JOINED BY STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER'S OFFICE.
HOW YOU LET IT OUT? DO YOU WANNA SIT OR STAND? WE CAN PHRASE IT UP.
I'M CHIEF MARIAN SPAN WITH THE HOUSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, AND TODAY I'LL BE GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S POSITION ON THE REGULATION OF BARS AND CLUBS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S AUTHORITY.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S AUTHORITY FOR REGULATION COMES FROM THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE SECTIONS 1 0 5 0.3 0.30 9.41,
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10.1, AND ONE 12.1.WE ALSO GO BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON BUILDING CODE, THE LIFE SAFETY BUREAU STANDARDS, WHICH IS BASICALLY, SORRY, CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? YEAH.
WHAT PART DIDN'T YOU HEAR,
SO WE REGULATE, UH, BASED ON THE, THE CITY OF HOUSTON BUILDING CODE, THE LIFE SAFETY BUREAU STANDARDS, WHICH IS BASICALLY A CHEAT SHEET THAT'S PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE FIRE CODE.
SO A BAR IS TYPICALLY DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEIR OCCUPANT LOAD.
THEY'RE USUALLY LABELED A BUSINESS WITH AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF 49 OR LESS AND REQUIRES AT LEAST ONE EXIT THAT MAY SWING INWARD.
CLUBS ON THE OTHER HAND, NORMALLY HAVE AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF 50 OR MORE.
THEY'LL REQUIRE TWO OR MORE EXITS THAT SWING OUTWARD, AND IT'S ALSO BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS BUILDING, THE CLUB IS LABELED A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PERMIT FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE NEXT.
SO CAN WE SHUT THEM DOWN? UNFORTUNATELY, NO.
OUR ENFORCEMENT OF THESE FACILITIES ARE LIMITED BY STATE LAW AS WE CAN ONLY REGULATE FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS.
SO WHEN FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS ARE FOUND, THE INSPECTORS ABATE THE HAZARD AND THEY MAY ISSUE A CITATION.
AND WHEN I SAY ABATE THE HAZARD, IF IT'S OVERCROWDED, WE WILL EMPTY THE CLUB ONCE WE CONTACT PD, AND THEN WE WILL COUNT THEM BACK IN UP TO THE OCCUPANCY THAT IT SAYS THEY CAN HAVE.
IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A C OF O, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE 49 PEOPLE IN THERE.
UH, WE'LL TREAT THEM AS A BUSINESS AT THAT POINT AND NOT A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
SO WE ARE REGULATED BY 1 1 2 0.4 AND 1 1 2 0.1.
IF YOU SEE THE BOLD SECTION, THE CITATION WE ISSUE THEM HAS A FINE OF LESS, NOT LESS THAN 500, BUT NOT MORE THAN 2000.
AND FOR EVERY DAY THAT THEY OPERATE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, WE CAN ISSUE A CITATION.
CAN WE SHUT THEM DOWN? NO, WE, WE DON'T SHUT DOWN THE BUSINESS.
WE DON'T ISSUE C OF O THAT SHE HEARD FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PREVIOUSLY.
WHAT WE DO IS ABATE THE HAZARD.
WE WILL EVACUATE IF THEY HAVE IMMEDIATELY LIFE THREATENING FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS.
EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE EXPOSED WIRING, THEN WE WILL NOT LET THEM OPEN BACK UP.
BUT ONCE THEY CORRECT THE VIOLATION, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO OPEN BACK UP.
WE INSPECT THE BUSINESS AND WE RESPOND TO SEVERAL COMPLAINTS OF OUR CODE VIOLATIONS.
IE OVERCROWDING, LOCKED EXIT DOORS, AND WE ALSO DO OCCUPANT LOAD CHECKS NOW ON THE OVERCROWDING AND LOCKED EXIT DOORS.
IN ADDITION TO ABATING THE HAZARD, WE WILL ISSUE THEM A CITATION THAT DAY.
OH, I DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT THE, WE ALSO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH HPDS DIFFERENTIAL RESPONSE TEAM.
UH, THAT'S MOSTLY ON THE WEEKENDS AND MOSTLY FOR AFTER OUR CLUBS.
THEY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, UM, AND FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A FEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS NOW ABOUT THIS SUBJECT THAT ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE REALLY CONCERNED WITH, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CAYMAN AND I HAVE TALKED, UM, SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT HOW WE CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE, ABOUT THE 49 PEOPLE, THAT IF THERE'S NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO OPERATE JUST AT 49 PEOPLE.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE LOOKING INTO THAT AS WELL.
UM, STAFFING COUNCIL MEMBER ALCORN'S OFFICE.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PERMIT.
IS THAT A CLASSIFICATION OF A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY? YES, THAT'S A CLASSIFICATION OF, OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CO PROCESS.
AND THIS MIGHT BE A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY BUILDING? YEAH, YEAH.
IF IT'S, UM, I WONDER IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE OVER 50 PEOPLE IN HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S ISSUED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
THE OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY GET THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PERMIT FROM HFD.
SO WHEN WE GET A CALL ABOUT A NIGHTCLUB THAT'S EGREGIOUS, WE SHOULD ALSO BE REPORTING NOT JUST MAYBE A UNPERMITTED PATIO, BUT ALSO A PUB, A LACK OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PERMIT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, MOST OF THE TIME
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THEY HAVE IT.AND THEN I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I GUESS SLIDE FIVE, ABATING THE HAZARD.
I KNOW THIS IS QUITE EXTREME, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ALQUAN HAS BROUGHT IT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT IN OTHER CITIES THEY WORK TO SHUT OFF WATER OR WORK WITH CENTERPOINT IN OUR CASE TO CUT OFF ELECTRICITY WHEN THEY CONTINUE TO BREAK THE LAW.
SO THAT'S LIKE A DAY-TO-DAY THING.
ANYTIME THERE'S A WORKING FIRE SOMEWHERE AND WE GO OUT AND THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE THREAT TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS SAFETY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS FIRE OUT BECAUSE THERE'S LIVE WIRES, ARKING OR THERE'S, UH, EXPOSED GAS OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHEN WE EMPLOY THAT THE MOST OFTEN FOR, FOR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY THAT WE WOULD DO IT.
IT, AND IT BRINGS UP OTHER CONCERNS.
IF WE SHUT THE WATER OFF TO ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS, AND THEN THAT BUSINESS HAS A FIRE AND WE DON'T HAVE A WATER SUPPLY, THAT, THAT PRESENTS QUITE A PROBLEM.
I DO LIKE YOUR LINE OF THINKING THOUGH.
MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS BESIDES WATER THAT WE CAN SHUT OFF LIKE THE ELECTRICITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, IF WE SHUT OFF THE ELECTRICITY AND THEY HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT,
UM, WE ARE ALSO JOINED BY COUNCILOR HUFFMAN.
AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST, UH, FOLLOWING UP ABOUT THOSE TWO ESTABLISHMENTS THAT I MENTIONED ON WASHINGTON, UM, 53 0 6 AND FUEGOS.
DO, DO Y'ALL KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, THEIR STATUS AS FAR AS HAVING A, BRENT HAS SOME INFORMATION ON THERE? YEP.
SO, UM, WE PULLED A REPORT GOING BACK TO 2022, JANUARY 1ST, 2022 AND 53 0 6 WASHINGTON.
WE'VE HAD A TOTAL OF FIVE REPORTS, UM, OVER THAT, BUT FOR THREE, THREE YEAR PERIOD, UM, BASICALLY, AND THEY WERE, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, UH, ONE WAS FOR A TRAILER THAT WAS IMPROPERLY STORING PROPANE.
UH, ONE DOES NOT HAVE NOTES IN THE CALL.
ONE WAS FOR, IT WAS THEIR, UH, BEAR WITH ME EXCEEDED THE OCCUPANCY.
UM, DURING THAT TIME THAT, UH, WE WERE CALLED OUT, ONE WAS FOR A TENT WITHOUT A PERMIT, UM, AND ONE WAS FOR OVERCROWDING AGAIN.
SO, UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE? SO, OVERCROWDING, OVERCROWDING, OVERCROWDING.
SO FIVE CALLS, UH, OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN FOR FUEGOS, UH, WE ONLY HAD ONE CALL THERE.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IT WASN'T A CALL FOR RESPONSE, IT WAS A, UH, IT WAS THEIR, UH, RECERTIFICATION.
SO WE WENT OUT AND DID AN INSPECTION, UM, IN 2023, IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE HAVE NOT, I LOOKED UP BOTH FUEGOS BY THE NAME AND BY THE ADDRESS, UH, USING OUR, UH, IMAGE TREND, UM, OUR, OUR RESPONSE, UH, SOFTWARE.
SO, SO FOR 53 0 6, THE TWO TIMES THERE WERE CROWDING ISSUES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN, UH, INSPECTORS WENT OUT? SO, WELL GO AHEAD, CHIEF.
WELL, THE NORMAL THING TO DO IS WE WILL NOTIFY PD ONCE PD GETS THERE.
WE HAVE THE CLUB OWNER ADVISE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO EVACUATE THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE, IF THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEN WE WILL COUNT THEM BACK IN TO THEIR OCCUPANT LOAD.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY'LL BE, THEY CAN BE COUNTED BACK IN AT 49.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS.
BUT IS THAT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON THOSE TWO OCCASIONS? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW WHAT AC YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE DATA THAT I HAVE.
I CAN SEE ABOUT FINDING THAT OUT FOR YOU.
AND, AND SO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, BOTH OF THEM HAVE CURRENT VALID CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY OR DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW.
AND AGAIN, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE NOT THE ONES WHO ISSUE THE C OF O, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THROUGH THE, UM, THE HPC, THE PERMITTING CENTER, UM, MS. WHO MAINTAINS THAT DOCUMENT, BUT WE COULD FIND OUT.
ALRIGHT, WELL I, I CAN TELL YOU MULTIPLE COUNSEL DISTRICTS HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE TWO ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO LOOK INTO THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
UM, S FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EVAN SHABBAT'S OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, I'M LOOKING, I DON'T SEE A SLIDE NUMBER, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE EXIT DOOR OF PERMITS, RIGHT.
YOU ALLOW A DOOR TO SWING INWARD IF IT'S A BIG, IF IT'S A BUSINESS, IT CAN SWING INWARD.
IT MEANS IT HAS LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE THERE.
SO IN CASE OF AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT LIKE GUNFIRE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THESE ARE NOT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS, THESE ARE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE, UH, INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
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DETERMINED BY CITY OF HOUSTON ORDINANCES WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, HAVE AN INWARD SWINGING DOOR IN CASE OF EVACUATION NEEDED? YES.SO, UH, YEAH, EV WHENEVER WE ADOPT THE, UH, IBC UH, STANDARDS THAT WE FOLLOW, UH, WE CAN INCLUDE CERTAIN AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT MAKE IT MORE HOUSTON SPECIFIC.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING, UM, OUTSIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL LIKE, LIKE COUNTY FIRE MARSHALS, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSISTING, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS.
BUT ALL THIS TO SAY, UM, THAT WE, WE START FROM THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THEN WE, WE BRING THAT ALL IN AND THEN WE TAILOR IT USING SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY THAT ARE APPROVED, UH, THROUGH CITY COUNCIL ORDINANCE.
SO IN WHICH WINGING DOOR COULD POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED AS AMENDMENT BY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WHEN THE, THEY'RE THE AUTHORITY WITH THEIR JURISDICTION WHEN THE BUILDING IS FIRST CONSTRUCTED.
STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO'S OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS I HAD.
UH, HOW MANY FIRE MARSHALS DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 102 DOING VARIOUS, UH, DOING VARIOUS JOBS.
SO ON THE WEEKEND WE HAVE THREE, UH, ON NIGHTS WE HAVE ABOUT SIX, I BELIEVE.
UM, CAN YOU REPEAT, YOU SAID THREE.
AND SO, SO WOULD WE LIKE MORE? YES, WE WOULD LIKE MORE.
UH, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL RESPONSE TIME WHEN A REQUEST IS MADE BY A CONSTITUENT REGARDING THE SAFETY CONCERNS OR EMERGENCY PROTOCOLS THAT THEY COULD BE SEEN AT A VENUE? IS THIS BEFORE OR DURING, IS THIS BEFORE YOU? DURING, DURING.
SO IF THERE WAS AN EVENT ON GOING ON AT THE MOMENT AND A REQUEST WAS MADE FOR FIRE ME TO BE PRESENT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE RESPONSE TIME LOOK LIKE FOR THEM TO BE THERE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT RESPONSE TIME, UH, BUT WE CAN GET TO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IN LESS THAN AN HOUR.
SO SPEAKING OF GETTING ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, LESS THAN AN HOUR, TRAVELING IN SITUATIONS WHERE STREETS ARE CROWDED AND THE FACILITY SEEMS TO BE LIKE OVERFILLING WITH PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY CONGREGATING ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, LIKE IF WE TALK, UH, ABOUT MAIN STREET LEADING UP TO WHITE OAK, UH, MUSIC HALL, UH, THAT STREET IS NARROW, VERY NARROW, ONE STREET GOING EACH DIRECTION.
UM, CARS PARTICULARLY LIKE TO PARK ON THE SIDES OF IT, THEREFORE GOING THROUGH THAT STREET SEEMS TO BE TOUGH.
UM, I KNOW YOUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE PRETTY BIG.
UH, WOULD THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, BE CONSIDERED A HAZARD AS WELL AS IF YOU CAN'T EVEN RESPOND TO THE PLACE FAST ENOUGH OR EVEN GET YOUR TRUCK THROUGH THERE? WOULD THAT ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO? WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY, I WOULD SAY A FIRE CODE VIOLATION.
THAT, THAT GETS INTO, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS AND, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS AT FACILITIES, UH, UM, THROUGH THE, THE, UM, PLANNING, PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN REALLY FROM THE TOP DOWN, FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO HIS PLANNING DEPARTMENT, TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS ALL GETTING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE FACILITIES THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO, UH, THE CITY IN THE WAY OF STREETS ARE, ARE FUNCTIONAL FOR US AS WELL AS FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOYING THE, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE AROUND.
GREAT QUESTIONS, UM, STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER KINGMAN'S OFFICE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
I KNOW YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER CAYMAN HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE VERY CLOSELY AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE LOCATIONS COUNCIL MEMBER RAMIREZ, UM, BROUGHT UP IN DISTRICT C.
UM, WE'VE CONTINUED TO FOLLOW UP WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT WITH A MEETING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CAMAN.
I DON'T HAVE THE MOST RECENT UPDATE, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT FROM PUBLIC WORKS OR FIRE MARSHALS.
BUT AS OF MARCH, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT BAR 53 0 6 DID NOT HAVE A BALANCE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
I KNOW THAT ONE WAS ISSUED IN 2019, BUT THEN THERE WAS UN PERMITTED CONSTRUCTION CITATIONS HAVE BEEN CONTINUED TO BE ISSUED AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE, UM, ONGOING COURT PROCEEDINGS RELATED TO THOSE CITATIONS.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE ALSO REPORTING TO Y'ALL 'CAUSE I THINK THEY MAY JUST BE REPORTING THROUGH 3 1 1.
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THE BEST WAY FOR THEM TO REPORT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY VIOLATION IN REAL TIME? 3 1 1.WE, YEAH, WE GET COMPLAINTS FROM 3 1 1 EVERY DAY.
SO IN THE, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, IF THE, IF A LOCATION DOESN'T HAVE A VALID CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE 3 1 1 OPERATOR SHOULD BE ROUTING IT TO FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE? YES.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THAT HASN'T SIGNED UP, PLEASE UM, GO SIGN UP OVER THERE WITH SARAH.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IN LISTENING TO THIS, THE WHOLE PROCESS SEEMS REALLY WEAK.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THREE FIRE MARSHALS, ONLY THREE ON STAFF DURING THE WEEKENDS.
AND THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THIS HAPPENS.
AND THE HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS ONLY WORKS DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND THAT'S NOT WHEN THESE PROBLEMS OCCUR.
UH, SO THAT REALLY IS A CONCERN OF MINE, UH, RELATIVE TO THE CITATIONS I HAVE FOUND IN DEALING WITH DEPARTMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS CITATIONS.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THESE CITATIONS PROBABLY ARE THE SAME WAY CITATIONS GET, UH, ISSUED OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND NOTHING GETS DONE AND, UH, THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM.
AND REGARDING THE FINES, I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE FINES, I WAS NOT CLEAR IT'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN 102,000.
IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THOSE FINES SHOULD INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY IF THE VIOLATIONS CONTINUE.
AND, UH, WHAT IS THE COLLECTION PROCESS FOR THOSE FINES AND CAN LIENS BE, UH, PUT AGAINST THE PROPERTY TO, UH, COLLECT THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED? I JUST THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT LEAD TO THE FACT THAT THIS PROCESS DOESN'T WORK.
AND IN ADDITION, IN LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, IT SAID AFTER HOURS CLUBS, IS THAT ALL WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NIGHTCLUBS THAT OPERATE DURING REGULAR NIGHTTIME HOURS CLOSING AT 2:00 PM THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ADDRESSING THOSE RATHER THAN THE, RATHER THAN THE AFTER HOURS.
AND, UH, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AFTER HOURS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS AND THE MURDERS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER NEGATIVE THINGS HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A FEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS NOW ABOUT THESE TOPICS AND UM, A LOT OF MEETINGS BEHIND THE SCENES TOO TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT, UM, ALL OF THE CONCERNS AND HOW WE ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT CAME TO LIGHT IS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT, A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES ARE PRETTY WEAK ON IT AND WE HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND HPD AND PERMITTING ALL WORKING SO HARD AND ULTIMATELY A LOT OF TIMES THEIR HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE OF EITHER OUR ORDINANCES OR STATE LAW.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES I THINK THAT NEED TO BE MADE, UM, IN REGARDS TO EITHER AFTER HOURS CLUBS OR JUST THE REGULAR CLUBS THAT ARE OPERATING IN REGULAR HOURS THAT HAVE ISSUES WITH OCCUPANCY OR NO CERTIFICATE, YOU KNOW, NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AT ALL.
SO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER REVEREND SHABAZZ'S OFFICE.
AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GIVE US A REPORT ON CLUBS AND DISTRICT D THAT REMAIN OUT OF, UH, COMPLIANCE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WE'LL CERTAINLY ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I YOU'RE REQUESTING A REPORT ON CLUBS THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMITTING AND FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, UH, UH, ORDINANCES SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER THIS ISSUE IN DISTRICT D.
I HAVE TO COMMENT ON YOUR QUESTION.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING SO HARD ON THIS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING SO HARD.
UH, WHEN, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ONLY HAS THREE MARSHALS ON STAFF ON THE WEEKENDS, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE WORKING THAT HARD.
AND WHEN HPC ONLY WORKS DURING BUSINESS HOURS, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE WORKING THAT HARD EITHER.
YEAH, WELL, I MEAN THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUT THERE ON THE STREETS ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO ADDRESS THESE
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ISSUES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS ADDRESSING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FOR SURE.UM, UP NEXT, VIRTUALLY WE HAVE BRITTANY, IS SHE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHE IS ON, BUT I'LL CALL ON HER JUST IN CASE.
UM, IF SHE'S LISTENING IN, PLEASE SEND US YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DISTRIBUTE THAT.
UM, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? I CAN'T SEE OVER THE
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY, OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, IT WILL BE ON A THURSDAY, IT'LL BE THURSDAY, MAY 18TH.
UM, SO PLEASE JOIN US FOR THAT AND, UM, WE STAND ADJOURNED.