* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Government Operations Committee on February 5, 2025.] [00:00:15] UM, AT THIS MOMENT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER IS PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO IS PRESENT. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER JACKSON'S OFFICE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ALCORN'S OFFICE ONLINE AND ALSO, UM, FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UM, TODAY'S MEETING, WE'LL HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS, UH, UK G KRONOS CONTRACT EXTENSION REPRESENTATIVE FROM HOUSTON'S INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. UM, WE'LL BE PRESENTING AND ALSO UTILITY DISTRICT CONSENT, DRAINAGE PLAN REVIEW. UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS WE'LL BE PRESENTING TODAY. SO FIRST, AT THIS MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD TO HITS FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND IF I COULD ASK FOR YOU TO PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KENT FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. SO, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, I'M LISA KENT. I AM THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AND DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR FOR HITS. AND JOINING ME IS MS. KANA PALAI. SHE IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR OUR ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING GROUP, WHICH YOU KNOW OF AS OUR PRODUCTS SAP. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU, UM, TO PRESENT AND WE'LL BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL FOR YOUR APPROVAL. THIS IS, UM, FOR A CONTRACT EXTENSION. I DO WANNA MAKE THAT CORRECTION FROM THE TITLE LINE. IT'S NOT A NEW CONTRACT, IT'S A CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH UKG. UM, THIS WILL INCORPORATE SOME ADDITIONAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS INTO THE EXTENDED CONTRACT. UM, AS WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO A NEW PRODUCT ON, ON THEIR COMMERCIAL CLOUD ENVIRONMENT, WE ARE ALSO RENEWING AND EXTENDING THAT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE VALUES AND THE TERM PERIOD. THIS IS INCREASING THE SPENDING AUTHORITY TO COVER THE FULL FIVE YEAR TERM THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE CONTRACT AMOUNT, THE CURRENT CONTRACT VALUE IS $15.6 MILLION. WE DO STILL HAVE $6.2 MILLION OF REMAINING SPENDING AUTHORITY, AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR ADDITIONAL 5.95 MILLION, WHICH WILL COVER THE FULL FIVE YEARS. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE CAN GET PART OF THE WAY THROUGH THE FIVE YEAR EXTENSION. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CARRY IT THE FULL TERM WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL SPENDING AUTHORITY. UM, THIS IS A 0% GOAL BECAUSE IT IS A SOFTWARE, UM, SOLUTION ONLY NON DIVISIBLE. AND EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT USES THIS. KRONOS IS THE CITYWIDE ELECTRONIC TIMEKEEPING SOLUTION THAT FEEDS INTO OUR PAYROLL SYSTEM. SO IT'S HOW WE PAY PEOPLE, UM, ACCORDING TO WHAT TIME THEY HAVE WORKED. AND SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND I'M GONNA TRANSITION TO MS. PALAI AND SHE'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH A BIT ABOUT UKG AND THIS SOLUTION. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KENT ON THIS SLIDE. UH, THIS IS A VENDOR OVERVIEW FOR ULTIMATE KRONOS GROUP. THEY WERE FOUNDED IN 1977 AND UM, THEY ARE THE LEADING WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE PROVIDER WITH OVER 80,000 CUSTOMERS WORLDWIDE AND CITY OF HOUSTON IMPLEMENTED, UH, THE UKG WORKFORCE CENTRAL, UH, SOFTWARE PRODUCT IN 2011. AND, UH, UKG IS USED C CITYWIDE AND IT IS INTEGRATED WITH SAP TO, UH, ENABLE US TO PAY PEOPLE. AND COH CURRENTLY USES THE UKG DESKTOP APPLICATION WHERE USERS GO IN AND PUT THEIR TIME IN, TIME OFF REQUESTS. UKG CLOCKS ARE PRESENT ALL OVER CITY LOCATIONS FOR PEOPLE TO CLOCK IN AND OUT. AND THE MOBILE APP IS AVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEES TO ENTER THEIR TIME INTO THAT SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE CURRENT CONTRACT CORE COMPONENTS INCLUDE SOFTWARE LICENSES FOR THE UKG PRO WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT. THE UPCOMING MY COH TIME PROJECT IS BASED ON THIS SOFTWARE, THE WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT AND TELESTAFF [00:05:01] IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE UKG PRODUCTS, WHICH IS USED FOR SHIFT SCHEDULING. AND, UM, HPD RECENTLY, UM, HAS DECIDED TO GO WITH THE TELESTAFF PRODUCT AND IMPLEMENT IT. UH, THE CONTRACT CORE COMPONENTS ALSO INCLUDE THE SOFTWARE SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE UKG PRODUCTS, HARDWARE AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE CLOCKS, THE TIME CLOCKS, AND ALSO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, TO HELP WITH THE HPD TELESTAFF DEPLOYMENT AND TECHNICAL RESOURCES NEEDED FOR THIS PRODUCT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE CONTRACT NEW COMPONENTS INCLUDE UKG TELESTAFF SOFTWARE THAT HPD, THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT PLANS TO IMPLEMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. THE BENEFITS OF UKG TELESTAFF SOFTWARE WOULD BE STREAMLINED SCHEDULING, WHICH REDUCES THE MANUAL WORK AND MINIMIZES THE ERRORS. CURRENTLY, HPD PAPER TIME TRACKING PROCESS PRODUCES AN ESTIMATED 5,300 HISTORICAL PAY EDITS PER PAY PERIOD. THIS TOOL WILL ALSO REDUCE PAPER PROCESSES, SO THE APPROVAL AND PAYROLL TIMELINES OR, UH, MORE EFFICIENT AND, UM, HELP THE USERS. THE PAPER TIME TRACKING FOR HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESS LEADS TO DELAYS IN OVERTIME PAYMENT FOR THE OFFICERS. THIS TOOL WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE UNIFIED SCHEDULING AND TIME TRACKING, THEREBY IMPROVING THE TRANSPARENCY AND SIMPLIFIES THE RECORD KEEPING. EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE USER FRIENDLY ACCESS FOR USING BOTH THE DESKTOP AND THE MOBILE APPLICATION FOR TELESTAFF AND REPORTING WOULD GET MORE SIMPLIFIED FOR STAFFING OVERTIME AND ATTENDANCE REPORTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE UKG CONTRACT PLANNED SPENDING AUTHORITY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS UNTIL 2030. SO AS DIRECTOR KENT MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CURRENT CONTRACT SPENDING AUTHORITY REMAINING IS $6.2 MILLION. AND ADDITIONAL CONTRACT SPENDING AUTHORITY REQUESTED IS 5.95 MILLION, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL SPENDING AUTHORITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 THROUGH 30 TO $12.1 MILLION. I THINK ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT ABOUT THIS SLIDE, UM, COUNCIL IS OFTEN INTERESTED IN THE FUNDING SOURCES, SO HITS AS A REVOLVING FUND. WE DO REVOLVE BACK THOSE CHARGES TO THE CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INCURRING THE COSTS, MEANING PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE TIMEKEEPING SOLUTION. HOWEVER, UM, HAS AND HPD WILL PAY SEPARATELY FOR THEIR USE OF TELESTAFF. UM, AND SO THAT COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF HA S'S ENTERPRISE FUND AND HPDS FUND, WHICH IS, UH, 1000 GENERAL FUND 1000. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAD FOR YOU YOU TODAY. SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE, UM, JOINED US. UM, VICE MAYOR PRO TEM PECK IS HERE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RAMIREZ IS HERE. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER H HUFFMAN IS ONLINE AND WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ'S OFFICE. SO, SO THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, JUST SO THAT I HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, SO THIS ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2011 FOR UGK KRONOS? YES, KRONOS WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2011. OKAY. AND SO Y'ALL ARE ASKING FOR A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION FOR THE ADDITIONAL 5.9 MILLION IN SPENDING AUTHORITY? CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT NUMBER OF EXTENSION IS THIS OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT? SO WE ISSUED A CONTRACT IN 2019. UM, WE DID AN APPROPRIATION IN 24, [00:10:01] SO THIS IS EXTENDING SINCE 2019. THAT WAS A NEW CONTRACT AT THAT TIME. GOT IT. OKAY. AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SERVICES AND AND WHATNOT, IS THERE EVER A POINT WHERE WE STOP AND SAY, OKAY, DO WE KEEP EXTENDING OR DO WE PAUSE AND DO A, YOU KNOW, SURVEY AND SEE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT SERVICE TO CONTINUE TO, TO GO WITH AND EXTEND? OR DO WE PIVOT TO A DIFFERENT SERVICE? LIKE HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? IT DEPENDS ON THE SOLUTION AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE USERS, BUT IN GENERAL, WE DO HAVE KEY STRATEGIC PLATFORMS THAT WE TEND TO EXTEND MICROSOFT 365 AS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T SEE THE CITY CHANGING, UM, TO OTHER EMAIL SYSTEMS AND, UM, COLLABORATION TYPE SUITES ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO, UM, THE ELECTRONIC TIMEKEEPING SOLUTION IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, THAT IT'S A TREMENDOUS, UH, HEAVY LIFT AND A LOT OF COST TO MOVE TO OTHER SOLUTIONS. MM-HMM . SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE WE TYPICALLY WILL STAY WITH A SOLUTION AS LONG AS IT'S MEETING OUR NEEDS. AND SO IF WE GET FEEDBACK OR COME TO THE REALIZATION, IT ISN'T THEN AT THAT POINT WE DO A SEARCH FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. SOMETIMES WE DO THAT. YES. YES, WE ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY LEADER IN THE MARKET. UM, WE COMPARE FEATURES AND BENEFITS AND WE ALSO COMPARE THE COST TO CHANGE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE INTEGRATION WITH SAP, UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THAT INTEGRATION IN TERMS OF, ARE, ARE WE SEEKING, I KNOW THERE'S PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND SUPPORT THAT IS A PART OF THIS MAINTENANCE FOR THE HARDWARE SOFTWARE SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE. SO DO WE NEED TO SEEK ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPORT OUTSIDE OF THIS FOR CONSULTING OR CONTRACT LABOR OR ANYTHING TO SUPPORT THIS PLATFORM'S INTEGRATION WITH SAP, I'M GONNA DEFER TO CALPANA ON THE ONGOING SUPPORT COSTS FOR INTEGRATION WITH SAP. THE INTEGRATION IS ALREADY SET UP BETWEEN KRONOS UKG SYSTEM AND SAP TODAY, AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT. THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LISTED ALSO INCLUDE FOR THE UKG TELESTAFF IMPLEMENTATION, THAT IS A NEW, UM, IMPLEMENTATION FOR THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WITH, WITH RESPECT TO SAP, THE INTEGRATION IS ALREADY THERE. AND, UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE WORKFORCE CENTRAL INTEGRATION SET UP AND WE HAVE, UM, COMPLETED SETTING UP THE NEW TOOL, WHICH IS THE WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT IN A SIMILAR WAY. SO I, SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM AS WELL. UM, THE CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION FOR KRONOS IS IN THEIR KRONOS PRIVATE CLOUD, UH, WHEREAS WE'RE MIGRATING TO WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE SOLUTION. SO IT'S A STANDARD IMPLEMENTATION, UM, THAT IS NOT CUSTOMIZED BY CUSTOMER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NO, THAT DOES THAT, THAT HELPS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU CHAIR. AND THEN, UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY ONLINE CHALLENGES ONCE IMPLEMENTATION HAPPENS? I WOULD SAY, UM, ANY PROJECT THAT IS AFFECTING EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON OR IS LIKELY TO HAVE SOME THINGS HAPPEN, UM, WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING TECHNICAL OR CLOUD RELATED PROBLEMS. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT, UH, EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT HAS TO BE SURE THAT THEY HAVE CONFIGURED EVERY EMPLOYEE'S SCHEDULES. OKAY. SO THERE'S SOME TASKS ASSOCIATED WITH EMPLOYEES GETTING TRAINED, UM, PUTTING THEIR SCHEDULES INTO THE TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM AND THEN GOING ONTO THAT NEW PLATFORM. SO I DO EXPECT THAT THERE MAY BE A FEW HICCUPS WITH THAT. OKAY. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WILL THERE BE ANY SUPPORT FOR THE MANAGERS THAT ARE DOING THAT PART OF THE PROCESS? YES. OKAY. AND IN FACT, UM, WE DO HAVE A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM CITY COUNCIL AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME FOLKS THAT NEED TO COME HELP A RA HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED ONE OF THEIR PEOPLE, UM, IN THE PAYROLL DEPARTMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE HELPING YOU. BUT WE CERTAINLY, HITZ IS ALSO SUPPORTING OUR PARTNERS IN A RA AND ALL OF THE CUSTOMERS OUT IN THE CITY. OKAY. AND I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCIL MEMBER LOOKER'S OFFICE IS HERE AND THEN COUNCILOR POLLARD'S OFFICE IS ONLINE. OKAY. AND MAYOR PROTIS STAFF IS ONLINE AS WELL. WONDERFUL. THIS IS KIND OF ONGOING AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCIL MEMBER RAMIREZ. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS PRESENTATION. UH, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT WILL IMPLEMENTATION OF TELESTAFF RESULT IN SOME COST SAVINGS? [00:15:01] WE CERTAINLY EXPECT IT TO. SO, UM, THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TODAY, UH, THE WAY THEY PROCESS THEIR TIME, UM, FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS BY EXCEPTION. AND SO MS. PALAI WAS REFERENCING THAT TODAY, THE WAY THAT PROCESS IS MANAGED BY PAPER AND THAT PAPER PROCESS TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THROUGH, UM, THE NECESSARY APPROVALS. AND IT ALSO IN MANY CASES HAPPENS IN ARREARS. SO IT CREATES A CUMBERSOME RETROACTIVE PAYROLL CORRECTION PROCESS. UM, IT ALSO IS VERY INTENSIVE FROM A DATA ENTRY STANDPOINT WITHIN THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO AS THEY MOVE TO AN ALL ELECTRONIC SOLUTION, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL HAVE SOME EFFICIENCIES. OKAY. AND UM, AS I LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET, WHICH IS ONE SLIDE BACK, I BELIEVE THE THIRD ROW IF YOU WILL, UM, DEALS WITH THE TELESTAFF, RIGHT? SO IT HAS COSTS FROM FY 25 THROUGH FY 30. UH, ARE THESE COSTS THAT, UH, WILL BE NEW COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING NOW ASSOCIATED WITH TELESTAFF? YES. FOR THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, YES. AND THE 3,400 USERS, AND AGAIN, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS, BUT WHO WILL THAT COVER? WHO WILL THOSE BE INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP? THAT IS THE FULL-TIME OFFICERS WHO WILL USE THE TELESTAFF FOR COMPLEX SCHEDULING. UM, I WILL ALSO ADD THEY'RE AT LEAST ANOTHER COUPLE OF THOUSAND WHO ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY USERS. AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS THAT THERE ARE OFTEN CASES, PARTICULARLY LIKE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, WHERE SOMEONE WHO WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE USING TELESTAFF WILL TEMPORARILY USE THAT FOR SCHEDULING PURPOSES FOR THEM FOR HPD TO COORDINATE STAFFING. SO THAT'S A BETWEEN 3.3 3,405,000 USERS, UH, ON THE SYSTEM. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL? 'CAUSE I SEE THIS, THIS SPREADSHEET THIRD COLUMN JUST DEALS WITH HPD. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. UM, THE MAJORITY OF CITY USERS DON'T NEED IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED HAVE COMPLEX SCHEDULING SOLUTIONS. YOU TYPICALLY WILL SEE IT USED WHEN YOU HAVE THREE SHIFTS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UM, WE DO ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO LEVERAGE THIS TOOL, BUT I WILL SAY ALSO HPD IS A VERY LARGE IMPLEMENTATION. WE NEED TO GET THAT ONE UNDER OUR BELT, GET THOSE, UM, EFFICIENCIES IN PLACE, AND THEN TRANSITION TO OTHERS AS NEEDED. UM, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ONE CANDIDATE AS AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. DO THEY, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY DO THEIR OVERTIME AND PAY EDITS BY THROUGH PAPER AS WELL? OR THEY DO NOT DO IT BY PAPER? UM, THEY DO USE A VERY OLD LEGACY APPLICATION THAT IS SLATED FOR REPLACEMENT. AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AT WHAT THAT NEW SOLUTION COULD BE. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE TYPICALLY LOOK FOR STRATEGIC PLATFORMS WHERE, UH, WE CAN DEPLOY THOSE SAME APPLICATIONS ACROSS THE CITY AND HAVE PEOPLE USING THE SAME TOOLS RATHER THAN EVERY DEPARTMENT USING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO JUST FOR A CLARIFICATION, SO HFD IS NOT USING THE SYSTEM. THEY USE KRONOS, THEY USE KRONOS, THEY DO NOT USE TELESTAFF. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHTYY, UM, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCILMAN DAVIS' OFFICE. UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANNA SAY LADIES, THANK YOU FOR A VERY THOROUGH ON BEHALF OF COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU FOR A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU THANK YOU. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE, UH, MEMBERS IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE APPRECIATE IT. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. AND ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE HOLD ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END OF THE MEET OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. WELCOME. HI, MY NAME'S CARLY STELZER. I'M WATER CONTRACTS MANAGER WITH, UH, HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS, HOUSTON WATER REGULATORY COMPLIANCE AND UTILITY DEVELOPMENT. KIM MICKELSON WITH THE, UH, CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT JOINING. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS AFTERNOON. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK [00:20:01] TO YOU ABOUT THE UTILITY DISTRICT CONSENT AND THE DRAINAGE PLAN REVIEWS THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE CONSENTS. OH, NEXT SLIDE. HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS REVIEWS APPROXIMATELY 50 DISTRICT APPLICATIONS PER YEAR AND SENDS THEM TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSENT APPROVAL. THESE ITEMS ARE EITHER TO CREATE A NEW UTILITY DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OR WITHIN THE ETJ OR TO APPROVE THE ADDITION OF LAND TO THE UTILITY DISTRICT IN NOVEMBER. THESE ITEMS WERE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLANTS. NEXT SLIDE. I WILL START BY DESCRIBING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSENT PROCESS AND WHY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS ARE IMPORTANT. UM, THEY DEVELOPED IN HOUSTON LARGELY BACK IN THE, UM, 1980S, UM, IN RESPONSE TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO CONTINUE IN THE ETJ AND SECURE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO IN SEEKING UTILITY DISTRICT CREATION, THE FIRST STEP IS REALLY FOR A DISTRICT TO COME TO THE CITY TO ASK US FOR THEIR CONSENT, UM, FOR, TO ASK US FOR THE CITY'S CONSENT TO, TO BE FORMED OR TO ADD TERRITORY TO THE DISTRICT. UM, IF THEY, IF THE CITY DOES NOT ACT ON THESE, UM, PETITIONS WITHIN A, WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS, 90 DAYS, THE DISTRICTS MAY GO TO TCEQ DIRECTLY TO SEEK FORMATION. UM, AND THEN THE CITY HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT, WITH THAT ENTITY. UM, BUT ONCE THE TYPICAL WAY WE HAVE TYPICALLY OPERATED IS A DISTRICT COMES TO THE CITY, THE CONSENT IS PLACED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, AND GENERALLY IT IS APPROVED, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT HAS, HAS BEEN DISAPPROVED. UM, AFTER THAT, THE, UH, DISTRICT CAN BEGIN WORK ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL SITE. SO THEY CAN SUBMIT A, A GENERAL PLAN OR PLAT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND AT THAT TIME, WE START TO SEE ITEMS LIKE GENERAL RUNOFF INFORMATION, FLOODPLAIN MITIGATION PLANS, AND WHERE THEY PLAN TO PUT DETENTION FACILITIES. UM, ONCE THOSE SUBDIVISION PLATS ARE THEN APPROVED AND LATER RECORDED OF RECORD, UM, THEN THEY REALLY BEGIN THE REAL WORK OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS WHERE THEY GET INTO DETAILED, UM, DRAINAGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND, AND THE ACTUAL WORK OF CONSTRUCTION ON SITE BEGINS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YEP, THAT ONE. SO, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS WHERE A DISTRICT WISHING TO BE CREATED OR ADDING TERRITORY COMES TO THE CITY FOR THEIR CONSENT. UM, AS I NOTED, THERE ARE REALLY TWO, TWO WAYS TO GET TO THE, UM, TO THAT CONSENT STATUS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OR THROUGH TCEQ. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE FACILITIES ARE ALL BEING CONSTRUCTED WITHIN OUR ETJ AND OFTEN HOOK UP TO HOUSTON, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER FACILITY THROUGH OUR REGIONAL PLANTS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR STANDARDS IN THE ETJ, UM, WHEN THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A TIMELY MANNER FROM THE CITY'S SIDE. UM, A MUD DISTRICT THAT IS WISHING TO FORM OR ADD TERRITORY CAN FILE A PETITION TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ETJ. AND THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO REALLY DO THAT. WE HAVE A STANDARD PROCESS WHERE THEY APPLY THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE APPLICATION IS REVIEWED, AND AN ORDINANCE, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT MAKES PLANNING SENSE TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE ETJ MAY COME TO COUNCIL TO RELEASE 'EM. THIS MAY HAPPEN IF THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ANOTHER AREA THAT CAN MORE EASILY PROVIDE THEM INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, WASTEWATER, UH, SERVICES. UM, THE SECOND, HOWEVER, THOUGH IS A IS RELATED TO A BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHICH ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS TO FILE A PETITION TO BE RELEASED FROM THE ETJ AND ABSENT ACTION BY THE CITY. UM, IF THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, THAT, THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE STATUTE, IT'S DEEMED APPROVED AND THEY ARE DEEMED RELEASED BY THE TERMS OF THAT STATUTE. THAT BILL IS CURRENTLY IN LITIGATION AND IS BEING CHALLENGED BY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 15 CITIES NOW AS AN UNCON AS BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND IN FACT, IMPORTANTLY TO HOUSTON, A VIOLATION OF THE EXISTING PROCESS TO MANAGE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE ETJ AND HOME RULE AUTHORITY. [00:25:01] NEXT SLIDE. TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE INTERNAL PROCESS FOR THE APPROVALS WITHIN THE CITY. AN APPLICATION IS FILED WITH THE HOUSTON WATER REGULATORY COMPLIANCE AND UTILITY DEVELOPMENT. THE WATER CONTRACTS GROUP REVIEWS IT FOR COMPLETENESS, AND THEN THAT APPLICATION IS SENT TO A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT CONSISTS OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT DRAINAGE, CITY OF HOUSTON, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AIRPORT SYSTEMS, LEGAL, THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ENGINEER, AND THEN OUR INTERNAL REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. AFTER WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ON APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE COMPLETE THE RCA AND LEGAL DOES THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN IT GOES OVER AND IS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT COLORED BOX ON THE BOTTOM MIDDLE OF THIS SLIDE, UH, DURING THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION, THE RESILIENCY OFFICER REVIEWED THESE CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLANS AND RELEASED THEM FOR COUNCIL. THIS REVIEW ONLY STARTED AFTER HURRICANE HARVEY, AND IT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ADDRESSING FLOOD FLOODING PROBLEMS AND DRAINAGE CONCERNS. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AS KIM MENTIONED, THIS UTILITY DISTRICT CONSENT APPLICATION IS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST STEPS IN THE DISTRICT CREATION PROCESS. AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT ALWAYS KNOW THE EXACT LAYOUT AND SCOPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE A DETAILED DRAINAGE PLAN. HOWEVER, AFTER HARVEY, THE PROCESS WAS ALTERED TO REQUIRE THESE PLANS TO BE SUBMITTED TO HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL PRIOR TO FILING THE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY. THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE PLANS IS THAT IT'S BASED ON THE IDEA OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ANY APPROVALS FROM THE CITY. AND IT NOT ONLY ADDS ADDITIONAL TIME TO THE PROCESS, BUT THESE PRELIMINARY PLANS TYPICALLY COST THOUSANDS OF EXTRA DOLLARS TO THE APPLICANT. NEXT SLIDE. IN ADDITION, THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS ARE ONLY REQUIRED FOR THE CONSENT APPLICATION AS MENTIONED AND INDICATIVE OF ITS TITLE, THESE PLANS ARE PRELIMINARY AND THEY TYPICALLY CHANGE GIVEN HOW THESE CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLANS ARE FREQUENTLY SET ASIDE. AND NEW DETAILED DRAINAGE PLANS ARE CREATED TO SHOW HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL ACTUALLY OCCUR AND REFLECT THE APPROVED PLATS AND PROPOSED PERMITS THAT KIM TALKED ABOUT. THE CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLANS RIGHT NOW ARE JUST A CURSORY REVIEW BY THE COUNTY AND DURING OUR REVIEW COMMITTEE STAGE, IN FACT, HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DURING THIS STAGE DOES NOT EVEN REVIEW THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS IN THESE CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLANS. NEXT SLIDE. SO AS WE MENTIONED AFTER HARVEY, IT WAS ALTERED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE CONCEPTUAL PLANS WERE GIVEN TO HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL BEFORE THE CONSENT PROCESS, AND THIS ADDED AN ADDITIONAL SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE. SO HISTORICALLY, THE CITY OF HOUSTON HAS HAD TWO CONSENT, TWO SETS OF CONSENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THESE PETITIONS AND APPLICATIONS THAT COME FORWARD TO, TO YOU. UM, AS CITY COUNCIL, UH, WITH THE CONSENT ORDINANCE, ONE IS FOR IN CITY MUDS, ONE IS FOR ETJ MUDS OR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION MUDS, UM, STANDARD SET OF CONSENT CONDITIONS ARE LIMITED CONDITIONS THAT, UM, CAN BE ATTACHED TO ALL APPLICATIONS. THEY DON'T CHANGE FROM MUD TO MUD. THEY ARE, THEY ARE JUST STANDARD AND AS ADOPTED, THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REUNITED BY COUNSEL SINCE 1984, UM, IN ONE CASE AND IN 2006 FOR ETJ MUDS. SO, UM, UH, ONE THING WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IS BRINGING FORWARD UPDATED VERSIONS OF THAT, OF THOSE CONSENT CONDITIONS TO YOU. UM, AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE, UM, THE FINAL DRAINAGE AND DETENTION PLANS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE APPROPRIATE REGULATORY AGENCY AND APPROVED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. THIS LANGUAGE WAS ADDED INTO THE TERMS OF THE CONSENT CONDI CONSENT ORDINANCES, UM, DURING THIS PERIOD, AS WE WERE STARTING TO REVIEW SOME DRAINAGE PLANS TO VERIFY AND, AND PUT THE DISTRICT ON NOTICE IF THEY WEREN'T ALREADY, THAT THEY MUST COMPLY WITH EITHER THE CITY REGULATIONS OR THE REGULATIONS OF THE COUNTY IN [00:30:01] WHICH THE MUD DISTRICT WAS LOCATED. UM, ALL OF THESE SOLUTIONS AND ALL OF THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE ADOPTED BY THOSE ENTITIES MUST INCLUDE SOLUTIONS TO MANAGE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE WITHIN IT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THIS SLIDE JUST LAYS OUT THE STEPS FOR THE PLANNING PROCESS. AS NOTED, A MUD DISTRICT FOLLOWING CONSENT WILL OFTEN COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND FIRST FILE A GENERAL PLAN. IT'S HUNDREDS OF ACRES. THEY DON'T KNOW, PERHAPS THEY MAY HAVE A IDEA OF HOW TO DEVELOP, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARAMETERS. UM, AND THOSE MAY CHANGE AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. UM, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THAT THEY CAN BEGIN THEIR DESIGN WORK, THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS. AND THIS USUALLY CONSISTS OF TWO STEPS, A PRELIMINARY AND A FINAL PLAT. ONCE ALL OF THOSE ARE ARE APPROVED, UM, SOME BASIC INFORMATION COMES IN AT THAT STAGE WITH THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS. AS FAR AS GENERAL FLAT GROUND DRAINAGE, UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW PERHAPS WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE EXACTLY GOING TO BE LOCATED, WHICH CAN THEN ALTER IT ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS. SO THEY DO THEIR FINAL PLANS. THEN AFTER THE PLAT IS RECORDED OF RECORD, THEY GET THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS APPROVED BY, UH, HPW, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION CAN BEGIN WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE. SO AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, BUT INSTEAD REQUIRE A STATEMENT ON THE APPLICATION OF HOW DRAINAGE AND DETENTION WILL BE ACHIEVED IF THE TRACT IS WITHIN THE 100 OR THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. THIS ENSURES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT IF THEY'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND RELY ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE FINAL PLANS MUST BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COMMENCE WITH THE UTILITY DISTRICT APPROVALS AS CITY COUNCIL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL TO TAKE THE LANGUAGE OF THE DRAINAGE PLANS AND REMOVE IT OUT OF THE ORDINANCE AND PUT IT INTO THE CONSENT LANGUAGES FOR BOTH THE ETJ AND THE IN-CITY CONSENTS. NEXT SLIDE. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL HELP THE APPLICANTS BY REDUCING THEIR COST AND DECREASING THE TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR THE CONSENT APPROVAL. THE CITY ALREADY HAS SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR THESE DRAINAGE PLANS WITHOUT REQUIRING THE INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSENT PROCESS. THIS WILL ALSO STREAMLINE EVERYTHING, WHICH WILL HELP REDUCE STAFF TIME WHILE STILL GUARANTEEING THAT THE FINAL PLANS GET A COMPLETE REVIEW. AND THEN FINALLY, AS KIM TALKED ABOUT, THIS WILL HELP THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ETJ STAY WITHIN THE ETJ AND ENSURING THAT OUR STEADY STANDARDS ARE STILL BEING MET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND IT MAKES A, JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UM, THIS IS GOOD. UM, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE VICE, MY VICE MAYOR PRO TIM PECK, . THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO IF SOMEONE APPLIES TO THE CITY, UM, FOR LIKE ADDITIONAL LAND INTO A MUD, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE DON'T PASS IT HERE AT COUNCIL, DO THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE TCEQ AT THAT POINT? OR IS THAT ONLY FROM THE BEGINNING BEFORE COMING TO COUNCIL? NO. UM, FOR AN IN CITY MUD, THE CITY MUST CONSENT. BUT FOR THAT E TJ, DO THEY, IF IT'S IN THE ETJ AND WE DENY IT HERE AT COUNCIL, CAN THEY STILL GO TO THE TCEQ? THEY CAN STILL GO TO TCEQ OR THE LEGISLATURE AND GET BILLS EVERY OTHER YEAR. UM, HOW DOES HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT FEEL ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE CHANGE? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT? HOW DOES HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT FEEL ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE CHANGE IF THEY'RE NOT SUBMITTING THAT? THE PLANS TO THEM FIRST? UH, THEY, IT WAS, THEY STARTED THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESS, AND SO THEY STARTED RECEIVING THOSE PLANS BECAUSE WE HAD ASKED THEM TO DO THAT. BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT IT, ABOUT REMOVING THIS, AND I I COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW KIND OF THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS RIGHT, SO IF WE APPROVE, UM, A MUD, UM, ONE'S IN THE ETJ, UM, AND THERE'S, SO WE DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE PLAN, WE'RE APPROVING IT ANYWAY, THEY GET FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS AND THEY, [00:35:01] LET'S SAY AT THAT POINT THEY DON'T MEET OUR STANDARDS FOR, UM, FLOODING MITIGATION, AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD NOT BE ISSUED A PERMIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS. THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S STILL A POSSIBILITY OF STOPPING SOMETHING THAT YES. OKAY. YES. YEAH. OKAY. AND, AND AS KIM MENTIONED THAT WE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AS WELL, WE HAVE NOT, UH, NOT DISAPPROVED ANYTHING THROUGH COUNCIL, BUT WE HAVE HAD DIFFERENT MUD DISTRICTS STOP THEIR PLANNING BECAUSE OF, UH, THEY COULDN'T GET THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR THEIR PLANS JUST FELL THROUGH. AND SO THAT DOES HAPPEN, UM, MORE OFTEN THAN CITY COUNCIL NOT APPROVING. OKAY. I'M GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS ONE MORE. I'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS LATER. I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS RELIED VERY HEAVILY ON LOOKING AT THOSE PRELIMINARY REPORTS, BUT, AND DISTRICT A PROBABLY HAS THE MOST IF, OR, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE MOST AS FAR AS THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE ETJ AROUND DISTRICT A. SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THOSE VERY HEAVILY WHEN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. AND I MEAN, CONCEPTUALLY IT MAKES SENSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT FLOODING MITIGATION. SO PROBABLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS LATER ON. THANK YOU. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. BUT FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE FLOOD MITIGATION RULES THAT THE CITY HAS? ABSOLUTELY, YES. OKAY. AND, AND THE COUNTY, WHICHEVER IN, IN THE COUNTY. ABSOLUTELY. SO I GUESS THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW IS NOT THERE, WHICH I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, VICE MAYOR, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES OR THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO IT. OKAY. YEAH. UM, OKAY. LET'S SEE. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS IS, OR RAMIREZ IS FIRST. OH, SO I'M SORRY. SORRY. CAN I ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCIL MEMBER RAMIREZ FIRST AND THEN I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR DAVIS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PLUMMER. AND THANK YOU, UH, KIM AND CARLY FOR THIS PRESENTATION. UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME TO REMOVE THIS, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN REQUIREMENT BECAUSE, UM, BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, UH, WE'LL HAVE OUR SAY ON WHETHER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, THE DRAINAGE PLANS, RIGHT. WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW, I'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT HOW TO BRING MORE HOUSE ROOFTOPS INTO, INTO THE CITY AND, UH, IT JUST, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE, THE MUD, UH, MODEL IS, IS ONE WAY TO DO THAT. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE HAD A COUPLE OF AGENDA ITEMS RELATED TO, UM, ANNEXING ADDITIONAL ACREAGE INTO, INTO AN EXISTING MUD THAT WILL RESULT IN HUNDREDS OF, OF, UH, ROOFTOPS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE. AND IT SEEMED LIKE A, A REALLY GOOD, UH, IDEA TO ME, AND HOPEFULLY IT GOES OFF AS PLANNED, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, UM, IF YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT HOW MANY MUDS WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY THAT, THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. MAKES SENSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, BUT WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. OKAY. AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME THERE ARE MORE IN THE, IN UNINCORPORATED, UH, HARRIS COUNTY OUTSIDE THE CITY? YES. UM, GREAT. AND YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME THERE WERE QUESTIONS RAISED WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MONTHS AGO ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY IN, IN THE MUDS ARE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. AND, AND THE ANSWER I HEARD AT THAT TIME WAS THAT, THAT, YES, UH, WE REQUIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME, UH, STANDARDS IN, IN A MUD, WHETHER IT'S IN, IN THE ETJ OR THE CITY, UH, WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF A MUD. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MCCARTER. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, ELIMINATING THAT CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SMART BECAUSE IT'S JUST CHECKING A BOX. I MEAN, NO ONE LOOKS AT IT, NO ONE, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A HAND DRAWN PIECE AND IT CAN, IT'S OKAY. IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL. SO I THINK IN, IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN FURTHER ALIGN WITH THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS AND, AND WORK CLOSELY IN STEP, IT MAKES SENSE. BUT THAT WHEN IT, HAVING DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT COMES TO CONCEPTUAL, IT CAN BE ANYTHING AND END UP, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL ON AN APPLE AND END UP IN ORANGE. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DAVIS'S OFFICE. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT DURING THE CONCEPTUAL, UM, UH, PHASE THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T, UM, REVIEW IT FOR SIX MONTHS OR SO. WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? OR AND DO YOU GUYS DO IT IN [00:40:01] STEAD? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT ADDED AN ADDITIONAL SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO CREATE THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN. SO IT'S NOT THE COUNTY THAT IS TAKING THAT LONG FOR THE REVIEW. IT'S, UH, IT'S ON THE FRONT END WHEN THE, UH, APPLICANT DECIDES TO CREATE THIS MUD OR ADD ADDITIONAL LAND, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND THEY HAVE TO SPEND THAT SIX TO NINE MONTHS CREATING THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT IT TO THE COUNTY. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, UH, THANK YOU FOR A QUITE IMPRESSIVE, UH, PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, PRO PECK. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND YOU KNOW, AFTER HEARING THE COMMENTS, I THINK I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT MY CONCERNS FOR, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS HERE THAT, I MEAN, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO IT THIS WAY. MY CONCERN IS, UM, WHEN STEVE CASTELLO WAS ALWAYS LOOKING AT THESE, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE INSTANCES IN THE PAST, UM, WITH ONES THAT WERE IN THE ETJ CLOSEST TO DISTRICT A, WHERE, UM, THEY SUBMITTED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND IT DIDN'T, IT'S NOT THAT IT NECESSARILY DIDN'T MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS, UM, BUT MORE FOR A GLOBAL KIND OF LOOKING AT DRAINAGE. HE'S WORKED WITH THE APPLICANTS ON CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, ASPECTS OF IT TO MAKE IT BETTER AND IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S JUST KINDA MY HESITATION THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FLOODING MITIGATION ON A BIGGER LEVEL, THAT WE'RE KIND OF MAYBE MISSING THAT PIECE OF IT. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT GOING FORWARD, UM, IF WE'RE TAKING OUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS HERE. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU. AND I THINK TO THAT POINT, WHAT PART OF THE PROCESS IS IT MORE PUBLICLY FACING WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S AN, DO WE, DO WE FIND OUT, OR FOR EXAMPLE, FOR YOUR SITUATION, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD WE FIND OUT THE MOMENT THE APPLICATION GOES IN AND WHAT PART OF, WHAT PART OF THE PROCESS? UM, IS IT PUBLIC? NOT PUBLIC, BUT I MEAN THE COUNCIL FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE FINAL DRAINAGE PLANS, LIKE THROUGH THE, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS? WELL, SOMEONE'S MAKING THE REQUEST TO, TO, TO HAVE A DISTRICT CREATED MM-HMM . AT WHAT POINT OF THAT PROCESS DO WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? THE VERY BEGINNING. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S THE VERY, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST STEPS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, UH, TO GET CONSENT. OKAY. OKAY. THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. Y'ALL DID AN AMAZING PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS LISTED, SO IT IS 2 45 AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.