[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on January 16, 2025. ]
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IT IS NOW 2:33 PM THURSDAY, JANUARY 16TH, 2025.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM OF AT LEAST SEVEN.
I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
UM, VICE CHAIR AUER JACKSON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER DUBOSE IS CURRENTLY NOT IN ATTENDANCE.
COMMISSIONER BLAKELY WILL BE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER VEDA IS CURRENTLY NOT HERE.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER YAP WILL BE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER STAAVA PRESENT, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT, AND OF COURSE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR OF VRAN PRESENT.
THE MEETING, UH, I'LL START MY CHAIR'S REPORT, BUT THIS MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
MEETINGS START ABOUT A MINUTE AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME TO ALLOW THE HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE.
SPEAKERS, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S FORM AT THE FRONT DESK, UM, BEFORE THE ITEM IS CALLED AND TURN IT INTO THE STAFF NEAREST THE FRONT DOOR.
UH, THE SPEAKER RULES ARE POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND ARE AT MY DISCRETION AT THIS MEETING.
APPLICANT'S MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES.
I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE FOR IN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER STAFF'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS, PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL, UM, OUR, OUR PUBLIC DELIBERATIONS HAVE OCCURRED AND THEN WE CAN BEGIN TO, UM, OPENLY DISCUSS THE PROJECTS.
UM, I WANNA WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MEETING.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A NEW YEAR, SO HAPPY NEW YEAR.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE CUTOFF DATE, BUT I, I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE, UH, SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I'M NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, BUT I LOOK FORWARD, UM, TO THE NEW YEAR AND SEE WHAT THIS BRINGS AND, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN DO HERE IN THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC WITH THESE PROJECTS.
UM, ALSO JUST A SHORT ANNOUNCEMENT I WANNA MAKE, UM, UPCOMING, UH, ON FEBRUARY 28TH, UM, NEXT MONTH, THE PRESERVATION HOUSTON CORNERSTONE DINNER WILL OCCUR TO CELEBRATE, UM, UH, THE SUCCESS THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN PRESERVATION ACROSS THE CITY AND IN OUR COUNTY.
AND, UM, UM, IF YOU'VE NEVER ATTENDED THAT, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IT'S AN INTERESTING, UH, EVENT AND, UM, AND THE CALIBER PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOWCASED ARE ALWAYS QUITE INTERESTING.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN, UH, THIS OVER TO THE DIRECTOR FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I AM VON TRAN, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO 2025, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE AND COMMITMENT, SHARING YOUR TIME AND EXPERTISE TO BENEFIT HOUSTON PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE CITY AT LARGE.
I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT IN OUR ROLE AS STEWARDS TO HOUSTON HISTORICAL HERITAGE, WE ARE NOT ONLY GUIDED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, BUT ALSO BY OUR DEEP DESIRE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FRIENDLY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS COMMISSION.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE 2025 SCHEDULE FOR THE HISTORIC COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM HOMEPAGE.
IN CLOSING, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE OFFICE A PRESERVATION AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A MAYOR MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
BUT, UM, WE WILL SKIP THE APPROVAL
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OF THE MINUTES THIS MONTH, UH, THAT WERE POSTED ON THE AGENDA.UM, THERE WAS A SLIGHT ERROR AND SO STAFF MEMBERS HAVE CORRECTED THAT ERROR AND WE'LL REPOST, UH, THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON, UH, TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
ROMAN, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, THE MANAGER OF THE HISTORIC DIVISION OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS IN SECTION A ON OUR AGENDA TODAY BE CONSIDERED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION EXCEPT FOR ITEM A FOUR, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF A CONTRIBUTING HOME IN THE NOR HILL DISTRICT.
SO, ITEMS A, THE ITEMS THEN FOR, UH, THE CONSENT REQUEST ARE ITEMS A 1 5 0 8 BRAND STREET NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING IN FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ITEM A 2 15 16 RUTLAND AND ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM A 3 7 0 7 EAST FIVE AND A HALF STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION, WHICH IS ALSO IN EFFECT AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN FREELAND.
AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS WITH REALLY ONE CONDITION AND ITEM A 5 2 0 0 7 CANE STREET.
THIS IS, UH, AN ALTERATION OF A WINDOW OR A PAIR OF WINDOWS IN OLD SIX WARD.
THE REQUEST, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION.
AND THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE ITEM A SIX.
THAT IS AT 24 0 7 A WEST GRAY IN THE RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER.
AS YOU KNOW, A LANDMARK, THIS IS AN ALTERATION OF THE ELEVATION FEATURES OF THAT END OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS WHERE LA MADELINE IS TODAY.
AND THAT'S FOR AN APPROVAL ITEM A SEVEN AT 1323 SOUTH BOULEVARD, WHICH IS AN ALTERATION EDITION IN BROAD ACRES FOR APPROVAL.
AND ALSO ITEM A EIGHT, WHICH GOES SORT OF WITH IT AT 1323 SOUTH BOULEVARD, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN BROAD ACRES HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
AND ITEM A 9 5 26 HIGHLAND STREET, AN ALTERATION ADDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS THE PREVIOUS ITEMS BE TAKEN UNDER ONE MOTION AND THAT ITEM A FOUR BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, OKAY, SO I HAVE ITEMS PROPOSED FOR ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, OF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO BE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY? A QUESTION, ARE THERE SPEAKERS, UH, UH, LISTED FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS? THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS LISTED FOR ITEMS 2, 3, 5, 7, AND EIGHT.
THE PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM ARE AGAINST, BUT I, I WILL ASK THE PUBLIC IN A MOMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS? TWO OR EIGHT? TWO NUMBER TWO AT 1516 RUTLAND.
SO NO OTHER PROJECTS PULLED BY BY COMMISSION AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST ASK, UM, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THESE ITEMS AND YOU DISAGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT WAS PUBLISHED, UM, YOU CAN REQUEST TO HAVE IT IN PULLED TO HAVE IT DISCUSSED, AND IF NOT, IT LIKELY WILL BE APPROVED UNDER CONSENT.
YOU'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER THREE FOR DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO PULL TO LIKE, TO HAVE ONE OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY? OKAY.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, UM, THE, THE SLATE OF CONSENT ITEMS WILL BE ITEMS 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THESE
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PROJECTS AND THE RECOMMENDED, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION GROVE MAKES A MOTION.OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? STYLE SECONDS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, THAT MOTION, THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS JUST PASSED THE, THE, THE COMMISSION.
AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO.
ITEM TWO IS A TWO IS 1516 RUTLAND STREET.
THIS IS A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO A HOUSE THAT IS IN THE HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
THE EXISTING LIVING AREA IS SEVEN 1,704 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS A LONG, VERY LONG NARROW HOUSE.
IT'S AROUND 65, 66, 67 FEET LONG.
AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INCREASE THE HOUSE BY 1,185.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT COUNTING A, UH, GARAGE AT THE FIRST LEVEL OF 504 SQUARE FEET.
THE SECOND LEVEL FLOOR EVE WILL BE AT 19 FEET, 10 AND A HALF INCHES.
THE EXISTING RIDGE, THE EXISTING HIGHEST RIDGE HEIGHT IS 15 FEET ON THE HOUSE.
THE PROPOSED RIDGE HEIGHT WILL BE 16 SEVEN.
THE EXISTING RIDGE HEIGHT IS 15 FEET, SEVEN AND A HALF INCHES.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED HIGHEST RIDGE FOR THE ADDITION IS 16 FEET AND SEVEN INCHES.
SO TWO FEET TALLER AND THE NEW ADDITION WOULD BE CLAD IN A SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING, A SIX INCH REVEAL, ALL WINDOWS WOULD BE INSET AND RECESSED.
UH, LET'S GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE ITEM.
THE, UH, THERE'S A SANDBORN MAP BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN SO WE KNOW IT'S AN OLD HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT.
I'LL MENTION THAT THE HOUSE HAS BEEN ALTERED.
IT ACTUALLY HAS TEXTURED CEMENT BOARD SIDING ON IT AND NEW WINDOWS.
UM, ONE DAY IT MIGHT BE RESTORED TO A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN AT THE, THE COUNTY REPORT, UM, THE CONTEXT AREA, WHICH IS ON PAGE NINE, IF YOU WILL, OF THE STAFF REPORT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT'D BE A LITTLE WHERE YOU ARE.
WHERE ARE YOU THERE JASON? LET'S SEE MY BACK, SIR.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THE CONTEXT AREA.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THIS IS AT THE EDGE OF THE HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE CONTEXT AREA BEING THE BLOCK FACE THAT IT'S ON AND THE BLOCK FACE ACROSS FROM IT IS PRETTY UNIQUE.
IT HAS TWO LARGE OR TWO MID-CENTURY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, AT DIAGONALS ACROSS FROM THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO TO THREE CONTRIBUTING OLD HOMES ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH HAVE SIDE ADDITIONS THAT PROBABLY PREDATE THE GUIDELINES, IF NOT THE DISTRICT.
SO THERE ARE SIDE ADDITIONS THAT COME RIGHT OFF THE SIDES OF THOSE CONTRIBUTING HOMES.
AND THEN ALSO ON THIS PAGE, ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE THAT THE NEIGHBOR IS A COMPLETELY NEW HOME.
I DON'T KNOW THIS HOW THAT CAME ABOUT VACANT LOT, UH, OR, OR MAYBE A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
AND SO, AND THAT NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT WHO HAS A LAP POOL, UH, THAT RUNS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT LOT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, TWO THINGS THAT WE, IN THE WAY WE NORMALLY INTERPRET THEM.
AND THAT IS THAT THE SIDEWALL LENGTH, IT YOU NORMALLY, WHEN WE'VE BEEN INTERPRETING THE SIDEWALL LENGTH AND THE DIAGRAMS THAT WE USE, WE CAN SEE THIS ON PAGE 16 OF IT, YOU KNOW, THE DIAGRAM THAT USUALLY SHOWS AN INSET.
AND I'VE STUDIED THIS WITH STAFF AND WITH THE CHAIR, AND INTERNALLY WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE REALLY WANNA REST ON THAT.
THIS APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT STATES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS MAY PRESENT A CASE FOR CONSIDERING DIFFERENT MEASURABLE STANDARDS.
AND IT WAS A PHRASE THAT FRANKLY I HAD NOT READ, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE MANY OF YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND IF THERE EVER WAS A CASE FOR SOME ADJUSTED MEASURABLES, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE CASE.
UH, GIVEN THAT YOU'VE GOT A REALLY LONG HOME OVER SIX, LIKE I SAID, IT'S 65, 66, 67 FEET LONG, AND THE, THE REC, THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS TO COME FORWARD FROM THAT REAR TAKING AWAY A PREVIOUS EDITION.
AND LET'S GO TO THE DRAWINGS NOW, JASON, LIKE ON PAGE, UM, WHERE ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD RULE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RENDERING, I'M THINKING OF LINE DRAWINGS ON PAGE 21 IF YOU COULD.
SO THE LOWER IMAGE, THE UPPER IMAGE, YOU SEE THIS REALLY LONG HOME,
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THE APPLICANT IS COMING FORWARD, TAKING AWAY THAT LITTLE PIECE, FLAGGING OUT TO THE LEFT ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, COMING FORWARD AND GOING OUT AT THE FIRST LEVEL.SO HE'S SHORTENING THE LENGTH OF THAT WALL, SLIGHTLY CORRECTING THE EXISTING CONDITION, BUT THEN GOING OUT INSTEAD OF IN.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, HE'S GOING IN BY ONE FOOT AND THEN BACK.
AND THE VERY BACK PORTION WHILE WE'RE ON THIS IS A REAR FACING OR ALLEY FACING GARAGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL, UH, WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES AND SEE THE ELEVATIONS.
THE OTHER PLACE THAT THE APPLICATION IS SLIGHTLY OVER IS, IT'S ABOUT 17% OR SO OVER THE FLORIDA RATIO LIMIT OF 29 0 3 2,903.
THE APPLICANT'S CASE FOR THIS IS THAT THE OWNERS WANT TO HUG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, KEEP AS MUCH OPEN SPACE AS THEY CAN ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND BY GOING OVER THIS ONE CAR GARAGE IN THE REAR AND SACRIFICING THE ADDITIONAL 528 SQUARE FEET THAT THEY COULD GET.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DETACH THE GARAGE, THEY CAN DO THAT GARAGE AND 528 SQUARE FEET, BUT TAKE UP MORE OF THEIR GROUND SPACE.
SO THEY'RE HUGGING THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND DOING THAT AND REALLY JUST SACRIFICING, AT LEAST FOR A LONG TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IDEA OF A SEPARATE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T, THE, THE GARAGE IS INCLUDED NOW IN THIS BUILDING.
AND WE THINK GIVEN THE CONTEXT AREA AND THE UNUSUALLY LONG NARROW HOUSE THAT ALREADY EXISTS, AND THEN GIVING UP THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE FACT THAT THE MOST, PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT, THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT ARE IN SUPPORT AND HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, WELL, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST, AND, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE, I, I HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UM, SO, UM, SAM, YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO I'D LIKE, LIKE TO HAVE YOU SPEAK FIRST AND THEN WE WILL, WELL THEN WE'LL HAVE DELIBERATIONS WITH THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
UH, SAM LUCAS WITH CREO DESIGN.
UH, THIS HOUSE WAS ADDED ON TO IN 2011.
UH, WE ALSO HAD A GARAGE APPROVAL ON, UH, SEPTEMBER OF 2023 TO DO A, JUST A DETACHED, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE BACK WITH AN APARTMENT ABOVE.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, LIKE I SAY ON 9 11 20 23.
THE PART THAT I'M ADDING IS 364 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND 335 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THE, THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, WE'LL SAY OUR ADDITION BEGIN.
OUR, OUR ADDITION BEGINS 17 FOOT SIX INCHES BACK FROM THE CORNER OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THE ORIGINAL, ON THE OLD, UH, ON THE NEW ADDITION.
SO THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHY I FELT LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO BUMP OUT TO THE FIVE FOOT LINE.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE ANY CLOSER THAN THAT.
UM, WE, WE ARE, UH, FIVE FOOT PROPERTY.
THE, THE BUMP OUT THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE IS 82 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT'S WAY BACK AT THE VERY BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE SECOND FLOOR, I BUMPED THE SECOND FLOOR.
I KEPT IT ONE STORY ON THE BUMP OUT IN ORDER TO NOT REALLY SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
AND I MOVED THE SECOND FLOOR IN ONE FOOT, SIX INCHES TO HIDE IT BEHIND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU'D WANT US TO DO IF WE WERE RIGHT AT THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS AT THE ADDITION.
UM, THE, UM, UH, I'M, I'M BUMPED IN ON THE LEFT SIDE, 23 FOOT 10 INCHES TO WHERE MY ADDITION BEGINS.
AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, I'M FIVE FEET, SO I'M 28 FOOT 10 INCHES OF SQUEEZING IT IN ON A 50 FOOT LOT TO GET IT, UH, TO WHERE IT MEETS THE 15 FOOT RULE ON, ON FIVE AND 10.
THE PART THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE IS YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA WHACK BEFORE THE GARAGE ON THE FIRST LEVEL, I THOUGHT I WAS REALLY DOING A GREAT JOB OF COMBINING THE HOUSE TO THE GARAGE AND REDUCING MY OVERALL MASS IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BY ATTACHING THE HOUSE TO THE GARAGE.
IF I DETACH THE GARAGE FROM THE HOUSE BY TWO FEET, LET'S SAY Y'ALL WOULD APPROVE THAT GARAGE, THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED, ACTUALLY, THEN I COULD GO IN AND DO A 2,904 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, A 1200 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THIS, UH, 1700 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
AND SO I'M ACTUALLY COULD ADD 543 SQUARE FEET
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MORE MASSING TO THIS PARTICULAR LOT THAN I HAVE CURRENTLY.I'VE LIVED IN HEIGHTS SINCE 76, AS Y'ALL ALL PROBABLY KNOW, AND PEOPLE WANT YARDS AND, BUT PEOPLE ALSO, WHEN THEY'RE SPENDING EIGHT, $900,000 FOR A HOUSE, THEY WANT SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THIS CLIENT HAPPENS TO BE HAPPY WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AT 28 89 AND NOT WANT TO EXCEED AND GO TO, TO, UH, ADD THAT OTHER 543 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE Y'ALL ASK FOR ALL THE TIME.
LET'S REDUCE THE MASSING, LET'S REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND LET'S HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR OR REP REPRESENTATIVE? THE REPRESENTATIVE? I DO, BECAUSE FOR THIS ONE I, IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR, FOR NUMBER TWO? 'CAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE.
YEAH, THIS SHOULD BE JUST YOURSELF.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF SAM BY ANY COMMISSION MEMBER? OKAY, THANK YOU SAM.
SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UH, IF ROMAN, YOU COULD COME BACK AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION, IS THERE A MOTION? WELL, I CAN TELL WHY I PULLED IT OFF.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEEDED AS A COMMISSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S ALMOST 500 SQUARE FEET OVER THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS, WHICH WE HAVE LONG HELD, YOU KNOW, IN HIGH REGARD IN THE HEIGHTS AND THE PRECEDENT IT SETS TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO CONNECT THE GARAGE TO THE MAIN HOUSE AND IGNORE WHAT THE ORDINANCE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT, THAT THAT NEEDS TO COUNT TOWARD THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.
AND THIS COMMISSION HAS WORKED HARD OVER THE LAST YEAR AT HAVING PEOPLE REVISE PLANS WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING OPEN PORCHES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE.
AND WE HAVE PUSHED BACK ON THAT.
AND TO ME, THIS IS LIKE THE NEXT STEP OF JUST ENCLOSING THAT SPACE COMPLETELY AND MAKING LIVING AREA.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROJECT IS UNIQUE AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT GIVEN THE CURRENT HOUSE ON IT.
BUT I FELT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION NEEDED TO DISCUSS THIS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS.
WELL, I CONCUR, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE TO THE, I I MEAN, WE'RE IN A, IN A SPOT HERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE FOR, UM, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LOT SIZES, UM, OR CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT THAT ALSO WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS CREATED AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE WRITTEN.
AND SO, UM, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, A A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, THE MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO VOTED AND APPROVED THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND SO I THINK, UM, THAT THE POINT AT WHICH TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT TAKING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS INTO CONSIDERATION HAPPENS AT THAT POINT, NOT HERE, UM, DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING.
SO ON THIS PROJECT, IF THEY DID GO WITH A DETACHED GARAGE AND ADDED THE 500 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S PREFERABLE TO HAVING A SMALLER MASSING THAT, THAT 'CAUSE 'CAUSE EACH PROJECT WE LOOK AT INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PRECEDENT FOR PROCEEDING PROJECTS.
I, I JUST WONDER, I'M JUST ASKING, I MEAN, MY GUT REACTION WOULD BE LIKE, NO, MEET THEIR MISERABLE STANDARDS.
BUT HERE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MAY BE MORE APPEALING IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE IT DOES REDUCE THE BULK OF THE HOUSE, EVEN IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THE REGULAR WAY.
I THINK MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WERE, WERE PART OF THOSE, UM, APPROVALS PROCESS AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THE GUIDELINES WHERE THERE WAS, UM, IN CREATING THE FAR, THERE WAS A PREFERENCE TO DETACH THE GARAGE FROM THE HOUSE TO BREAK UP THE MASSING.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD THAT MASS, IT DOES MAKE A LARGER MASS, UH, TO THE HOUSE.
AND OF COURSE THE GARAGE, UM, THE GARAGE IS EXEMPT OR A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE IS EXEMPT.
AND AS A CAVEAT TO THAT, THAT IS WHERE, UM, A CARROT WAS GIVEN TO ALLOW, IF YOU DID ATTACH THE GARAGE, YOU COULD GET A, YOU COULD GET ANOTHER 500 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, WHAT I DO ALSO WOULD SAY THAT EVERY PROJECT, UM, IS A CASE BY CASE SCENARIO.
I MEAN, AMASSING OF THE, THIS, THIS IS, UH, THE HOUSE WE HAVE IS ALSO NOT OUR, THE NORMAL HOUSE THAT HE WE'RE ADDING ONTO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION, UH, HAS, BASED ON THE UNIQUENESS OF A DIFFERENT A GIVEN PRO PROJECT OR PROPERTY IN OR MASSING, I THINK YOU ALL CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT, IT MAKES PRECEDENT.
AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, I'LL ASK MY, OUR LEGAL, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO, UH, GO WITH
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STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR, OR, OR, OR YOU CAN STICK WITH THE FAR, BUT IT'S, YOU, YOU HAVE BOTH, ARE BOTH OF YOUR OPTIONS.YOU KNOW, KIM, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YEAH.
KIM MICKELSON WITH THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
NO, YOU ARE CORRECT, UH, MR. CHAIR IN THAT THIS DOES NOT CREATE ANY KIND OF A, A PRECEDENT.
EVERY, EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND THE LANGUAGE THAT ROMAN READ YOU OUT OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES GIVES YOU THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, DISCRETION WITHIN THE GUIDELINES TO STILL CONSIDER UNIQUENESS OF EACH OF THE PROPERTIES.
SO I THINK YOU'RE WELL WITHIN TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THEY'VE LAID OUT THE RATIONALE FOR THEIR DECISION.
SO I GUESS WHAT IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I, IF ONE, UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION, YEAH, I, I'D BE INCLINED TO ACCEPT IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S A TRADE OFF HERE AND TO ME THE TRADEOFF IS NET POSITIVE EVEN THOUGH UNDERSTOOD.
IT DOESN'T MEET IT THE REGULAR WAY.
IT HAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BENEFICIAL.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE, IT'S BIGGER AND WORSE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
OKAY, ROMAN, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3, 7 0 7 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET EIGHT.
THE NEW IPAD DOESN'T LIKE MY SWIPE.
UM, THIS IS ITEM A 3 7 0 7 EAST FIVE AND A HALF STREET IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT WE HAVE IS A 1935 CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW.
AND THE REQUEST IS TO ADD, NOW THIS CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW HAD, AS HAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE APARTMENT DETACHED AT THE REAR OF THE LOT APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
SO THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING FOR AN ADDITION TO THE HOME.
AND I THINK THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS IS AT BASICALLY AN ALTERATION, OR I'M SORRY, A, UH, UH, A REVISION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED C OF A, IF YOU WILL.
YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AS A NEW APPLICATION.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION THAT AFFECTS THAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, C OF A, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A TWO STORY REAR EDITION ALMOST ENTIRELY BEHIND THE EXISTING ORIGINAL HOUSE CONNECTED TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED UNBUILT TWO STORY GARAGE.
THE PROPOSED EDITION ADDS 745 SQUARE FEET TO THE FIRST FLOOR, 1,726 FEET TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND IT BRINGS THE, WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE, UH, 4,664 SQUARE FEET, UM, OKAY, CONDITIONED, UH, ALL NEW WINDOWS TO BE INSET AND RECESSED PER THE DIAGRAM ON H WE'RE REC RECOMMENDING, AGAIN, APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GARAGE BE NARROWED BY TWO FEET.
SO THAT ON THE EAST SIDE IT IS IN LINE WITH THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED EDITION.
I'LL SEE WHERE MY COWORKER IS.
HE'S ON THE LINE DRAWING WITH THE, LET'S STAY RIGHT THERE.
WHERE THAT FRONT ELEVATION I'M, PARDON ME.
LET'S GET BACK TO THE CONTEXT AREA JUST A MINUTE.
THIS PART OF FREELAND, IF WE CAN PULL UP THE MAP OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE, THE COLORED ONE.
YOU, WE ALL KNOW FREELAND, IT'S THIS VERY INTACT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU SEE, WHEN IT WAS CREATED, ALL, ALL THE HOMES WERE CONTRIBUTING.
THERE WERE TWO VACANT LOTS HERE ON THIS PART OF FIVE AND A HALF STREET THAT IT'S NOT A CUL-DE-SAC, BUT IT TURNS AROUND ON STREET MAPS.
I THINK ONE OF THE OWNERS, THE NEXT DOOR OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY REMINDED ME THAT I, HE THINKS THE SIGN GUYS JUST PICKED THAT UP OFF A PLAT MAP BECAUSE THE PLAT GUY WROTE RESERVE.
BUT IT, IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE AN ALLEY BACK THERE AS SOON AS YOU IF, IF YOU'RE OFF FIVE AND A HALF IN THAT BEND ANYWHERE, IT FEELS NARROW AND AND CONSTRAINED.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHERE THIS, THIS OWNER IS THE SECOND FROM THE CORNER ON THE LEFT.
AND UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD PLEASE.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME HIS ORIGINAL INVENTORY PHOTOS AND THEN, UM, I, WE'VE GOT SOME PHOTOS HERE, LIKE THIS PHOTO.
THIS IS IN BETWEEN CONTRIBUTING THE HOME.
ON THE LEFT IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE HOME ON THE RIGHT IS A NEIGHBOR, THE HOME, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT HAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION
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TWO STORY REAR ADDITION THAT IS OFF OF THAT MAIN HOUSE.THESE PHOTOS, HERE'S A NICE PHOTO BY, BEHIND THAT PALM TREE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THE ADDITION THEN WOULD BE, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PALM COMING UP IN THE BACK THERE OFF OF THAT MAIN STRUCTURE.
SO LET'S ADVANCE TO THE DRAWINGS PLEASE AND UM, IF WE CAN, THIS IS A GOOD VIEW OF THE ROOF PLAN.
THERE'S THE EXISTING HOME ON THE RIGHT IN THE TOP IMAGE AND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE APARTMENT ON THE LEFT.
AND THE PROPOSAL DOWN BELOW, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, A CRICKET LARGE THAT CONNECTS THE, THE EXISTING HOUSE BACK TO THE, TO THE ADDITION.
AND THEN THE, UH, TWO STORY REAR ADDITION AND A LITTLE BIT OF A, AN SOMEWHAT OF A HYPHEN CONNECTING TO THE GARAGE.
UH, THIS APPLICANTS HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF THIS ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
THEY HAVE AGREED TO OPEN THAT UP, THAT SPACE UP FURTHER ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.
IF YOU'LL GO ONE MORE FORWARD, I THINK WE'LL SEE IT.
SO HERE'S THAT EAST ELEVATION AND YOU SEE ON THE SECOND LEVEL BEFORE THE GARAGE.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT FEET WIDE, I'M GONNA TAKE A GUESS.
THE, UH, THE OWNER IS HERE AS WELL AS THE DESIGNER SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT WE FEEL THAT THE MASSING IS APPROPRIATE, UM, GIVEN, GIVEN THE CONTEXT AREA.
AND WE DID ASK FOR SOME REVISIONS.
THIS IS WHERE I'M SAYING, SO WE'RE ASKING, WE'VE ALREADY, THE APPROVED GARAGE HAD A GABLE ROOF FACING EAST AND A GABLE ROOF FACING WEST AND THE EVE WAS A LITTLE HIGHER.
THEY'VE BROUGHT THAT EVE NOW DOWN TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND PUT A HIP ON EACH SIDE, WHICH WE FEEL IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE, TO THE DESIGN AND ITS IMPACT.
AND THERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS, UH, WORTH LOOK VERY MUCH WORTH LOOKING AT.
UM, THAT GIVE YOU A SENSE OF JUST HOW BACK ON THE PROPERTY.
IN FACT, LET ME LOOK REAL CLOSE HERE.
THESE, YES, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE LAST RENDERINGS, WHICH LOOK LIKE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, AND ZOOM IN, UH, ESPECIALLY ONE MORE PAGE THERE, JASON.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE, THESE ZOOM IN ON THE ONE PLEASE ON THE UPPER RIGHT AND BRING THAT OVER BECAUSE THIS IMAGE SHOWS, UH, A, I THINK A GOOD PHOTOSHOP RENDERING OF THE ADDITION BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT VISIBLE, IT'S BARELY, BARELY NOTICEABLE.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THEN THERE ARE I THINK AT FIVE OR SIX, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE MAY BE MORE, ACTUALLY THERE ARE ALL ATTACHED IN YOUR REPORT.
ALRIGHT, I'M SEEING 11 BACK HERE LETTERS, BUT I, SO I MAY NOT HAVE ATTACHED THEM ALL, BUT THAT'S THE REPORT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, ROMAN, BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT, JUST, CAN YOU REVIEW THE CONDITION YOU HAVE? YES.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EAST WALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE APARTMENT, WELL, LET ME BE MORE SPECIFIC.
WE ARE, WE'RE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GARAGE BE NARROWED EAST TO WEST, SUCH THAT THE EAST WALL ALIGNS AT THE FIVE FOOT LINE WITH THE PROPOSED TWO FOOT, TWO STORY REAR ADDITION.
SO WE ARE REALLY ASKING TO TRY TO BRING DOWN SOME OF THAT MASSING OF THAT PREVIOUSLY PROVED GARAGE BECAUSE WITH THIS APPLICATION REALLY TAKEN AS A WHOLE, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
OKAY, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, I'M MR. CONNOR NOD AND ALSO SAM NUKA.
AND UM, I'LL LET YOU DECIDE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, BUT I CAN BUT CONNOR, I THINK YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? YEAH.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE.
YES, CONNOR, NOW I'M THE HOMEOWNER.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR, UH, COMING UP ON FOUR YEARS IN MAY.
UM, ARE WE ABLE TO SHARE THIS PICTURE DOCUMENT, CAMERA PLEASE ON? OKAY, THIS, I'LL REFERENCE THIS, UH, PHOTO HERE IN JUST ONE SECOND, BUT JUST WANNA INTRODUCE MYSELF.
UH, I'M THE HOMEOWNER, LIKE I SAID, BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, UH, RECENTLY ENGAGED, MY FIANCE IS MOVING IN AND THIS IS WHAT PROMPTED THE ADDITION PIECE OF THE, UH, OF THE HOUSE.
PRIOR TO THE ENGAGEMENT, I WANTED A GARAGE AS MY MAN CAVE WORKSHOP HANGOUT SPOT.
UM, AND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN MARCH OF 20 24, 3 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE 11 PROPERTIES IN MY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S 37 PROPERTIES, 36 OF WHICH ARE DEVELOPED.
UH, 11 OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE WRITTEN
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IN SUPPORT OF, OF MY CURRENT, UM, PROPOSAL, THE ADDITION IN THE GARAGE.SO THAT WOULD BE THE CHECK MARKS ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT, ESSENTIALLY EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN MY SURROUNDING AREA HAS, UH, AGREED THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE PROJECT THAT I'M PROPOSING.
UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE'S ALL THE STARS, THOSE 26, THOSE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, HAVE STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT PROPERTY LINE, UH, OFFSET.
SO, UM, I'M NOT THE FIRST AND OR ONLY HOME THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THE LAST THING I JUST WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS ROMAN HAS POINTED OUT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS, UH, TWEAKING HOUSE, TWEAKING, UH, THE DESIGN, UM, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TRY AND MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF.
UH, THIS CURRENT CONDITION WASN'T PROPOSED TO US UNTIL EIGHT DAYS AGO.
UH, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
THE WHOLE PAST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER.
THERE WAS NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE FOOT OFFSET OF THE GARAGE UNTIL EIGHT DAYS AGO ASKING FOR THAT REQUEST.
SO, UM, I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH SAM IN THE GROUP AND LOVE THE HOUSE IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE SPEAKER, UH, FROM MR. MCNEIL.
SIR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT, HOW THAT TWO FEET IMPACTS YOUR GARAGE? UH, SO I CURRENTLY HAVE AN EIGHT 18 FOOT AND A NINE FOOT WIDE GARAGE IN THE BACK WITH A MAN DOOR.
SO IF I SHRINK THAT, IF I BRING IT IN TWO FEET, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH A COMPLETE REDESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE.
NOW SURE I COULD GO WITH A SMALLER GARAGE DOOR I GUESS, BUT THE CURRENT GARAGE DOOR SETUPS THAT I HAVE ARE WHAT I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR, TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE TWO CAR AND THEN A, A THIRD GARAGE AS MY WOOD SHOP.
UM, THAT CAN ALSO HOUSE A TRAILER IF NEED BE.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE WIDTH THAT I CURRENTLY HAVE.
THE, UH, JUST, SORRY, NOT TO RAMBLE TOO MUCH, BUT THE, THE ENGINEER DID LOOK AT THAT AND ESSENTIALLY ANY SHRINKING WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A, A PRETTY BIG DESIGN IMPACT ON WHAT I CURRENTLY HAVE.
THE WALK DOOR THAT IS ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE TWO OVERHEAD DOORS.
DO YOU KNOW THAT SIZE OF THAT DOOR? I BELIEVE IT'S A 32 INCH DOOR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS, OH, SORRY.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, SAM, YOU ARE ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THOUGH ON THIS ITEM.
SO, UH, SAM LUCAS CREO DESIGN, UH, WE'VE WORKED REAL HARD WITH STAFF TO TRY TO GET THIS HOUSE IN LINE.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE WERE TWO, UH, HOUSES, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS NEXT DOOR THAT ARE ACTUALLY BIGGER IN SCALE THAN WHAT WE DID.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, UH, UH, MET WITH MR. BUSICK ABOUT HOW TO SCALE THIS BACK AND, AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, UH, DIFFERENT STRUCTURES.
THIS, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE ACTUALLY HAD THE GARAGE APPROVED BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED AS WELL.
SO I HAD TWO THIS MONTH OF A WEIRD SITUATION.
BUT THE, THE PART THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR IS A PRETTY MINIMAL ATTACHMENT TO THAT GARAGE.
BUT IT, UH, THE OWNER FELT REAL STRONG ABOUT NEEDING TO, UH, ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE GARAGE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
AND THAT BECAME A STICKING POINT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH MOVING THAT SECOND FLOOR IN.
HE HAS 11 IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS 35 LOTS.
WE HAVE 11 LETTERS OF APPROVAL.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
AND AND TO ME THAT USED TO MEAN SOMETHING.
UH, THE GARAGE WAS APPROVED AT THREE FEET AND NOW THEY WANT US TO MOVE IT TO FIVE FEET.
AND I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR PORTION OF THE GARAGE, WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THE REAR OF THE GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIFFERENCE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND HAVING BEEN APPROVED AT THREE FEET, I MEAN IT'S, IT WAS APPROVED AT THREE FEET.
SO, UH, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I ACTUALLY TOLD CONNOR IF I NEED TO GO WALK ON MORE, KNOCK ON MORE DOORS, I WOULD.
BUT 11 OUT OF 35 I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
AND I'LL JUST MENTION TO THE COMMISSION IN, IN OUR PRE-MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT WITH STAFF, THE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE THAT HYPHEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO THAT IT WOULD MAKE THE REAR GARAGE APPEAR TO BE A SEPARATE MASS THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE VISUALLY, ALTHOUGH IT WAS STILL CONNECTED WITH A VERY NARROW PASSAGE ON THE LE LEVEL TWO.
UM, AND, AND IT'S STILL CONNECTED NONETHELESS, BUT, AND ROMAN'S IDEA TO HIT THE ROOFS ON THE GARAGE I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA ALSO, NOW THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GABLES ON THE END, SO IT ACTUALLY MADE THAT GARAGE FEEL LIKE IT WAS EVEN LOWER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT.
AND THEN WE ALIGNED THE, WE DROPPED THE RIDGE DOWN TO ALIGN THE EAVES.
SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TWEAKING ON THIS TO TRY TO GET IT, GET IT THROUGH.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WE CAN, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND WE WILL.
UM, WAS THERE ANY TALK OF JUST SLIDING THE GARAGE DOWN BY TWO FEET? 'CAUSE THERE'S EIGHT
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FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE.I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE OWNER AND I, I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD FROM, BECAUSE I LOOK ON THE FLOOR PLAN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
'CAUSE THAT WHERE THAT HALLWAY COMES IN, YOU COULD EASILY HAVE IT COME IN TWO FEET OVER, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER PROBABLY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE.
YOU SEE THAT OUTSIDE STAIRWAY ON THE LEFT AND I THINK HE MENTIONED TO ME SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONACO.
COULD YOU YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
LET, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK UP AND YEAH.
OH, SORRY, QUESTION FOR THE OWNER.
MR. MCNEIL, WHAT DOES THAT EFFECT DO TO YOUR GARAGE, SIR? IF WE SLIDE IT DOWN TWO FEET? YES SIR.
SO, UH, ON THE SIDE WITH THE THREE FOOT OFFSET, UH, THAT WILL BE, HAVE TO BE A FIRE RATED WALL.
ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS AN EIGHT FOOT OFFSET.
UM, THREE OF THAT FEET WAS GONNA BE THE STAIRWELL GOING UP TO THE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO IF I SHIFT THAT OVER ANY MORE THAN WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY AT, IT WOULD MAKE THAT ENTIRE STRUCTURE HAVE TO BE FIRE RATED.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT.
IF I MAKE A A STANDARD AT THAT, IF I'M GONNA DO A FIRE RATED, I MIGHT AS WELL DO A, A STANDARD FOUR FOOT WIDE STAIR THAT WOULD JUST REALLY JUST CREATE A, A TWO FOOT GAP ESSENTIALLY, OR A, A SMALL GAP IN BETWEEN.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE A TWO FOOT GAP BETWEEN THE FENCE LINE AND THE STAIRCASE.
SO YOU REALLY COULDN'T WALK THROUGH THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ANYMORE, JUST KIND OF KILL ANY SPACE THAT WAS OVER THERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF, UH, THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A MOTION MOTION OR IS THERE, I'D LIKE TO RAISE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR ANY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO, WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE STRATEGY, MAYBE IN PARTICULAR TO THIS PROJECT OF, UH, HIP PROOFS UP HIGH ON BOTH OF THESE, UH, NEW PIECES VERSUS GABLE THE TRADE OFF FOR LESS VOLUME, UM, I GUESS LESS APPARENT HEIGHT, ALTHOUGH IN FACT THE HEIGHT IS UNCHANGED, ADDING HIPS TO THE MIX VERSUS GABLES ISN'T, DOES ANYBODY, IS THERE CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S EFFECTIVE STRATEGY? I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY CHANGED EVERYTHING TO HIP 'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BRING THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS RATHER LARGE DOWN IF I HAVE A LARGE GABLE FACING WEST AND I THINK IT LOOKS LARGER AND, AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE.
I THINK THAT THE, THE CLIENT HAS REDRAWN THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.
SO I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ISSUE OF THE HIPS IS.
IT'S REALLY THE QUESTION OF DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE GUY REDUCE HIS GARAGE SIZE BY TWO FEET OR LEAVE IT AS PROPOSED, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL FINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOT YOU GOT 11 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
THE LAST THING THAT CAME BEFORE US FROM FREELAND HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT.
IT HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE AGAINST THAT LAST PROJECT.
SO I'M SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOR THIS PROJECT FROM THAT DISTRICT.
MR. JACKSON, DO YOU HAVE COMMENT? OH, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, SO, UM, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER JONES WILL SECOND.
UM, BEFORE I CALL IT VOTE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AND WE'LL TEST THAT VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO THAT'S THREE.
OKAY, THANK YOU ROMAN, CAN WE GET A CLARIFICATION ON WHO VOTED? NO HANDS? YEAH, HELPFUL.
ITEM NUMBER 4 1 1 2 0 EAST 14TH STREET.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS 1120 EAST 14TH STREET.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF THE HOME EXISTING AT THIS ADDRESS.
IT IS A 1926 BUNGALOW IN THE NORTH HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IN SUPPORT ITS ATTACHMENT A IN YOUR, UH, STAFF REPORT.
AND THE, I WILL NOTE FROM THE FRONT PAGE OF THE REPORT THAT THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, DOES NOT SUPPORT DEMOLITION NOR WOULD THEY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS SEEN AS ATTACHMENT N UH, GOING THROUGH THE CRITERIA.
UH, JUST TO NOTE THAT IN SECTION 33, 2 40, THE SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT, THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE CASE AS IT SAYS HERE IN 33 2 40 B OF
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THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THE APPLICATION SATISFIES THE CRITERIA ONTO PAGE THREE OF 39.THE, UH, ISSUANCE OF A DEMOLITION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL BE GRANTED ONLY AS IF ONLY IF A ONE THE BUILDING HAS SERIOUSLY DETERIORATED TO AN UNSTABLE STATE.
STAFF IS FINDS THAT THIS CRITERION IS NOT MET.
AND TWO, THAT THE, THIS COMMISSION FINDS BASED ON A PREPONDERANCE OF CREDIBLE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE EXISTENCE OF AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP UNDER SECTION C OR THE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND OF, OF UNUSUAL AND COMPELLING CIRCUMSTANCES, STAFF FINDS THIS CRITER IS NOT MET.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE CAN GO TO PAGE THREE OF 39 OF THE REPORT.
YOU SEE THIS 1 1 1 3 2 LANE STREET, WHICH WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IN JULY OF 2023 AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION WAS DENIED.
UM, I PRESENT THIS AS PROOF THAT SECTION 33 A ONE TWO AS WELL AS C 1 2 3 AND D THREE CANNOT BE PROVEN WITH THIS HOUSE.
THE HOME AT 1120 EAST 14TH WAS IN AS BAD CONDITION AS THE HOUSE, UH, IS NOT IN AS BAD.
I APOLOGIZE, THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU TODAY, 1120 EAST 14TH IS NOT AS IN AS BAD CONDITION AS 1 1 1 3 2 LANE WAS.
SO IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND SEE PROOF OF THAT, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE OF THE TWO LANE PROPERTY.
IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, I PUT THESE IN SO YOU COULD REMEMBER THE CONDITION OF THIS HOME.
THE UPPER TWO IMAGES ARE, UM, SIDE VIEWS.
AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS AN IN TURN, CAN WE ZOOM IN PLEASE ON THIS PAGE.
UH, REAL, REAL GOOD VIEW OF THIS PAGE, THE, IF YOU LOOK, CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE NICE, REAL BIG AND CLEAR.
THE, UM, THE LIGHT THAT YOU SEE AROUND THAT WINDOW, THE VERTICAL STRIPES OF WHITE THAT YOU SEE AROUND THE WINDOW IN THAT FIREPLACE, THAT'S THE OUTSIDE THIS HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED OF BOARD AND BATTEN CONSTRUCTION PREVIOUS TO, TO THE USAGE OF STUDS OF WALL STUDS AND FRAMING.
IT WAS HELD UP BY THE BOARD AND BATTENS AND THEN OF COURSE REVISED OVER THE YEARS.
SO STRUCTURALLY IT WAS A DIFFICULT HOME TO HAVE TO REHABILITATE.
AND THE NEXT IMAGE ON THE NEXT TWO PAGES ARE, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE HOME BEFORE YOU TODAY, BUT JUST AN EXAMPLE OVER ON TWO LANE OF THE CONDITION OF THE PERIMETER BEAM.
THE PERIMETER BEAM ON THIS HOME WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, AS IS A SEGMENT OR TWO SEGMENTS OR THREE SEGMENTS OF THE ONE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
SO THAT PROD THAT HOME HAS SOLD.
I CONTACTED THAT CONTRACTOR WANTING TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND IT IS, IT IS NOW SOLD.
SO THE REST OF THE CRITERIA, STARTING ON PAGE SEVEN, UM, WE JUST FEEL HAS NOT BEEN MET.
WE'VE WRITTEN THE C ONE STAFF FINDS THE CRITERIA IS NOT MET, THAT YOU CAN'T EARN A REASONABLE RETURN, AND, UH, TWO, THAT YOU CANNOT ADAPT THE PROPERTY.
AND THREE, ON PAGE EIGHT OF YOUR REPORT THAT THE OWNERS DEMONSTRATE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO FIND A PURCHASER, A LESSEE INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY AND PRESERVING IT, AND THAT THOSE EFFORTS HAVE FAILED.
NOTHING WAS SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT TO INDICATE SUCH AN EFFORT WAS MADE.
UH, FOUR IS NOT APPLICABLE IN THAT PART.
D ONE, THE CURRENT INFORMATION DOES NOT SUPPORT THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL STATE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS BUILDING AT THIS SITE IS THE HOUSE DESCRIBED IN THE INVENTORY ADOPTED DURING THE CREATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED STRUCK DURING THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BUILDING SIGNIFICANCE IS WARRANTED.
NUMBER TWO, UH, IS WHETHER THERE ARE DEFINITE PLANS FOR REUSE OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION IS CARRIED OUT AND WHAT EFFECT SUCH PLANS HAVE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL OR HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE AREA CONTEXT AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUPPLIED DRAWINGS FOR A PROPOSED BUILDING FOR THE SITE ATTACHMENT G IN YOUR REPORT, THE PROPOSED HOUSE MINIMALLY DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED ON ITS SCALE AND MASSING.
WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT IN YOUR REPORT ON PAGE 24.
AND IN YOUR REPORT ON PAGES 25 AND 26, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF REP, UH, MATERIAL, THREE TO FOUR REPORTS, ALL FROM THE SAME, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM AND OTHER REPORTS.
AND I HAVE TRIED TO ASSOCIATE THOSE REPORTS WITH WHAT BY ORDINANCE YOU MUST SUPPLY.
AND SO IT'S SORT OF AN INDEX ON PAGE 25 THROUGH 39 IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
AND THEN ATTACHMENTS A THROUGH N ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT.
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.UM, I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP FOR THIS ITEM.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UH, CURRENTLY I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS AND THAT IS VIRGINIA KELSEY.
IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND, UM, WELCOME.
GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M VIRGINIA KELSEY.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR NOR HILL AND THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
CAREFULLY LOOKED AT THE BUILDING.
UM, THE PRESIDENT MET, THE OWNER LOOKED AT IT ON SITE, OTHERS HAVE WALKED AROUND AND CAREFULLY CONSIDERED THE PROPERTY.
WHILE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY NEGLECT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE HOME COULD BE REPAIRED.
THE DAMAGE TO THE HOUSE WAS EVIDENT AT THE TIME OF THE BUYER.
AND IN FACT, THE PRICE PAID FOR THE HOUSE IS LESS BECAUSE OF THAT DAMAGE.
UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO APPRECIATE THAT THE MAJORITY OF HOMES IN NOR HILL THAT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL REMODELINGS ARE ALL TAKEN DOWN TO STUDS.
UM, THIS HAS A LITTLE MORE DAMAGE.
FIXING SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS ARE USUALLY THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PART OF BUILDING THE HOUSE, COMING IN WITH NEW UTILITIES, PLUMBING, UM, CABINETRY, AIR CONDITIONING, ALL OF THAT IS THE MAJOR BULK OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO IT IS, THIS IS THE COMMON PRACTICE AND NOR HILL'S PRICE POINT FOR NEW CONS FOR THE REMODELINGS REFLECT THE FACT THAT THIS AMOUNT OF WORK IS DONE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IF THE HOUSE WAS TORN DOWN, THE SIZE, SCALE AND CHARACTER IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN NOR HILL.
UH, A 39 73 SQUARE FOOT HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK WITH 11 FOOT TALL, UH, FIRST FLOOR CEILINGS AND 10 FOOT SECOND STORIES DOES NOT EXIST IN NOR HILL.
UM, MOTION CHAIR, ONE MORE TIME.
IS THERE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
UH, RATHER THAN ELABORATE ON ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT DO NOT MEET, UH, THE TYPICAL STRUCTURES OF THE HOUSE, OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE JUST WANT TO ASK THAT THE OWNER FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES, WHICH HAVE YET TO BE ADOPTED, WHICH WE HOPE WILL BE ADOPTED, UM, SINCE THEY OUTLINED THE CHARACTER OF WHAT NOR HILL IS ABOUT.
BUT YOU COULD REFER TO THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE 33 DASH 2 42, THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST NOT BE TALLER THAN THE TYPICAL HOUSE OF THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
THE CONTEXT AREA, WHICH IS THE FACE OF THE BLOCK AND THE OPPOSITE FACE OF THE H BLOCK.
THERE'S ONE TWO STORY ORIGINAL GARAGE AND ONE CAMELBACK THAT WAS ADDED IN 2021.
THE CAMELBACK NOT BEING ORIGINAL WOULD MEAN THAT NO TWO STORY HOME EXISTED IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? OKAY.
I I HAVE A QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.
IF I CAN, IT, THIS APPLICATION IS JUST FOR DEMOLITION, CORRECT? IT'S NOT FOR DEMOLITION AND APPROVAL OF A C OF A OR IS IT BOTH? IT'S POSTED FOR JUST DEMOLITION.
THE ONLY REASON THAT WE BRING THAT UP IS THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA USES SOME LANGUAGE, UH, LET ME GET TO THAT CRITERIA REAL QUICK, PLEASE.
YEAH, THERE'S CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION.
THAT'S IT'S D UNDER THAT SECTION.
AND IT'S, UM, ON PAGE EIGHT OF 39.
AND IT'S SAYING THAT THE, LET ME GET THE PRE PRELIMINARY LANGUAGE FOR THE PRELIMINARY LANGUAGE IS THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK.
A PROTECTED LANDMARK OR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FOR DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING OR FOR DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING OR OBJECT IN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE SHALL BE GRANTED ONLY IF
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D DETERMINATION OF THE EXISTENCE OF UNUSUAL OR COMPELLING CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL BE BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING.AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS WHETHER THERE ARE DEFINITE PLANS FOR THE REUSE OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION IS CARRIED OUT, AND WHAT EFFECT SUCH PLANS HAVE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL CUL, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, AND ARCHEOLOGICAL CHARACTER.
IT'S THAT THAT CRITERIA EXISTS AND THEN THAT AS PART OF HIS APPLICATION, HE MUST SUBMIT PROPOSED PLAN.
SO THE, THE DOCU PER 33 2 47 B, THE LONG LIST OF WHAT MUST BE SUPPLIED ARE THE PLANS FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT WILL GO THERE.
SO IT'S, I I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF IT, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING UP.
SO, SO I'M READING PLANS IN THE ORDINANCE TO NOT MEAN NECESSARILY DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, BUT I HAVE PLANS TO DO X AND I WILL SUBMIT A C OF A LATER MY INTERPRETATION, BUT, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
LET, LET ME GET IT FOR YOU HERE.
SORRY, BUT IT'S, BUT MS. LEGAL, MAY I JUST SAY IT'S ITEM EIGHT.
IT SAYS COMPLETE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND DRAWINGS OF THE INTENDED FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING NEW CONSTRUCT.
SO IT'S REAL SPECIFIC COMPLETE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
I I, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL PURSUANT TO DE THE QUESTION IS DEMOLITION.
DEMOLITION IS WHAT THIS IS WORKING CORRECT.
AND THIS IS NOT A C OF A APPLICATION AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT REALLY GREAT PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT THAT PART OF IT APPROVING THOSE IS NOT BEFORE YOU.
AND I DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL OPEN.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT I, IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ADDRESS, GO TO THE PODIUM IF YOU'D RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UH, THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS MATTER.
UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.
I GREW UP ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOUSTON AND, UH, UH, SAVED UP MOST OF MY LIFE.
YOU KNOW, HEARING ABOUT HEIGHTS IS A SPOT TO BE.
AND THEN I SAW THIS ARTICLE ABOUT HEIGHTS, THE HOTTEST TOWN, CITY TO LIVE IN.
SO I WAS LIKE, I GOTTA GET THERE.
SO I, I'M 30 YEARS OLD AND I STARTED LOOKING AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR AND I LOOKED AT TONS OF HOME, TONS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
I DON'T THINK I MISSED OUT ON ANYTHING.
UH, EVEN WHEN I WENT UNDER CONTRACT WITH THIS PROPERTY, I, UH, I TALKED TO ALMOST 500 PEOPLE AND MOST OF THEM SAID WHAT CIVIC CLUB.
BUT I STILL AM RESPECTFUL AND HAVE NOTIFIED THESE PEOPLE, UH, ABOUT ALL THIS, UH, UH, THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UH, AND IT'S, IT'S NORMAL FOR A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
YOU, UNTIL YOU GET INTO IT AND GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW.
UH, CITY OF HOUSTON HAS LIKE THIS THICK OF A PACKET JUST ON VIOLATIONS.
UM, SO WHILE I WAS GOING THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, I, I THOUGHT I CHECKED OFF EVERYTHING.
I CALLED THE PLANNER OF THE DAY AND IT'S HARD TO GET AHOLD OF THEM, YOU KNOW, UH, CALL PLANNER OF THE DAY, ANYTIME OF THE WEEK, RANDOMLY NO ANSWER.
UH, I LOOKED AT THE DEED THAT WAS REGISTERED, UH, WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND, UH, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE, WE CHECKED OUR BOXES WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
UM, MAYBE I, YOU KNOW, MISSED OUT ON SOMETHING.
A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE PASSED AWAY DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
UH, HE GOT DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER FOR STAGE FOUR CANCER, UH, PASSED AWAY DURING THE, UH, MY OPTION PERIOD.
AND SO MAYBE I WAS STRESSED OUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT FIRST SINCE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE MOTION TO EXTEND.
SO THE LAST OFF WE LEFT OFF AT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GAVE ME SOME HINTS ON HOW THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP COULD BE LOOKED AT.
AND SO, UH, I NEXT DOOR, UH, 1116, WHICH WAS A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WERE CAUSED BY THAT NEIGHBOR, UH, SOLD FOR 810,000.
SO THE, THE ESTIMATES WE HAVE HERE ARE LIKE A LITTLE OVER 500,000.
SO IF WE DO THAT CALCULATION, UH, PLUS I JUST PAID PROPERTY TAXES A LITTLE OVER 10 GRAND.
UH, IT, THE DEAL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
UH, SO I DON'T THINK THE THE PROPERTY WAS DISCOUNTED.
UH, THERE WERE JUST A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GET IN AND GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY.
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I APPLIED FOR THE, UH, UNREASONABLE OR, UH, UH, I THINK THE VERBIAGE IS, UM, JUST A UNREASONABLE CIRCUMSTANCE.AND SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, MY DRIVEWAY IS VERY NARROW AND, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WIDER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I, UH, NOT SAYING THAT I OFFICIALLY HAVE A DA, UH, REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, I WAS, UH, BORN WITH A, A RARE, UH, DEFORMITY ON MY LEFT FOOT AND I BROUGHT THE EXTRA HERE.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M WALKING AROUND WITH A CRANE.
I, I FELL DURING, RIGHT BEFORE THE NEW YEAR'S EVE AND COMPLETELY SOBER
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY IT'S LIKE A NORMAL FOOT IS LIKE THIS, UH, ONE OF THEM IS, UH, LET'S JUST SAY, UH, NOT AS STRONG, UH, NOT JUST FROM THE, UH, UH, BONE PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO THE MUSCLE PERSPECTIVE.
SO I HAVE THE X-RAY, I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT UP ON THE CAMERA.
I'LL GIVE IT TO LEGAL IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO.
UM, THERE'S A GOT THIS PICTURE TOO.
THERE'S A, A, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, PARKING A CAR THERE.
YOU KNOW, UH, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR NOW HAS PUT A FENCE, UH, RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY LINE NEXT DOOR.
AND SO IT, IT, THERE'S REALLY NO SPACE TO GET OUTTA THE CAR AND SAFELY, UH, MOVE AROUND.
UM, THAT'S WHY I WANTED A, A WIDER DRIVE WHEN I, YOU KNOW, DECIDED THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF UNUSUAL THINGS GOING ON, AND I, THAT'S WHY I APPLIED FOR THE DEMOLITION.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SUBMIT THE X-RAYS I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE NECESSARY.
BUT I'M RELYING ON YOU INDUSTRY LEADERS TO HELP ME WITH THIS, PLEASE.
AND, UH, UH, IF YOU GUYS DEAL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU WOULD BUY A HOUSE IN A VERY WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE DEMOLITIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED, WHERE LOTS ARE NARROW, DRIVEWAYS ARE NARROW, HOUSES ARE SMALL.
THERE ARE PLENTY PLACES IN THE HEIGHTS WHERE YOU COULD BUY A HOUSE THAT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING AND OR NON HISTORIC.
AND YOU COULD DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
SO I'M SUPER CONFUSED WHY YOU'RE PRESENTING ALL THIS INFORMATION TO US THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PURCHASED THIS HOME.
SO DID YOU BUY THIS HOUSE AND EXPECT THAT YOU COULD REMODEL IT AND LIVE THERE? OR DID YOU BUY THIS HOUSE EXPECTING TO DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE? NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AT THE GET GO, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THE, IN WITH THE PRO INTENTION TO MOVE HERE.
YOU KNOW, I'M 30 YEARS OLD, I'M SINGLE.
I WAS LIKE, LET ME MOVE OUT TO THE CITY.
IT'D BE A GOOD WAY FOR ME TO GROW.
IS THIS THE FIRST HOUSE YOU'VE EVER BOUGHT? I'M SORRY? IS THIS THE FIRST HOUSE YOU'VE EVER PURCHASED? YES.
AND, AND SO AS A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER, YOU THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA TO BUY A HOUSE THAT NEEDED SUCH SIGNIFICANT WORK THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE EXPERT OPINIONS THAT SAY IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
UM, SO I GUESS I, I'M CONFUSED WHY YOU WOULD BUY A HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BECAUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
OUR, OUR, OUR CHARGE AS COMMISSIONERS IS TO PRESERVE HISTORIC MATERIALS.
SO IT HAS TO BE AN EXTRAORDINARY CASE THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO DEMOLISH THIS HOUSE.
AND, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU, I REMODEL HOUSES FOR A LIVING.
I HAVE FIXED HOUSES WAY WORSE THAN THAT.
AND, AND, AND I CAN COME IN AND, AND FIX THAT HOUSE FOR YOU WITHOUT, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MUCH EFFORT AND FOR FAR LESS THAN, THAN THIS ESTIMATE THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDED HERE.
I I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CASE TO BE MADE THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
AND, AND, AND, AND PERHAPS AS THE, UM, AS THE DISTRICT SAYS IS, IS THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WILL, UM, RESTORE IT.
UH, AND TO YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS, AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CIRCLE BACK TO, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, UH, I, I LOOKED AT MANY HOUSES, MANY HOUSES, AND THE, WHEN I ASKED FOR THE ELECTRICITY BILL, THEY'RE RIDICULOUS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO INSULATION UNDERNEATH.
UH, AND I'M NOT GOING PAY, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I'M APPROVED FOR A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, I'M NOT GONNA PAY THAT MUCH MONEY AND THEN GO AHEAD AND PAY FIVE, $600, $700 FOR, WHY NOT GO BUY A BRAND NEW HOUSE FOR CRAZY ELECTRICITY? GO BUY A BRAND NEW HOUSE THEN, SIR.
I, I, SO I, THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALKS.
SO, UH, UM, A LOT OF MY, UH, STRENGTH TRAINING ON MY FEET, UH, HAS TO BE, UH, A LOT OF BAREFOOT.
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WALK BOUGHT WITH THE SIDEWALKS IS THAT WAY I CAN WALK ON THE NE YOU KNOW, JUST ON THAT STREET.YOU KNOW, I KNOW I DID THE UNUSUAL THING AND, YOU KNOW, GOING OUTTA THE BOX, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBOR, THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SIDEWALKS.
I HEAR THAT YOU TALKED TO 500 PEOPLE AND YOU DID AMAZING DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU LOOKED AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT HOUSES AND A PEER AND BEAM HOUSE OF THIS ERA.
AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA HAVE UNINSULATED WALLS, UNINSULATED FLOORING.
YOU CAN BLOW OUR 30 IN THE ATTIC, BUT NO, BUT REASONABLY, COMMISSIONER EK WOULD SAY THE SAME, I'M SURE PROBABLY WOULD BE TO NOT INSULATE THE WALLS.
'CAUSE YOU CREATE CONDENSATION, POSSIBLE BUILDUP IN THE WALL CAVITIES.
I, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WANT TO TAKE ON HISTORIC RENOVATIONS, BUT IT, A HISTORIC RENOVATIONS JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET YOUR GUIDELINES FOR WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF A HOUSE.
UH, WELL, THE COMMISSIONER MCNE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL IS OUR CONTRACTOR'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COMMISSION.
SO HE'S THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON ABOUT CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES, UM, FOR THESE HOMES.
AND THESE HOMES, AS HE MENTIONED, DO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, ASPECTS TO THEM THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN MORTGAGE CONTEMPORARY HOMES, LACKING INSULATION AND SO FORTH, AND THE WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE FRAMED BALLOON FRAMING AND OTHER KINDS OF THINGS.
I DON'T, BUT, BUT, BUT I, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, FOR YOUR, UM, SPEAKING WITH THE COMMISSION AND, UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE, WE REVIEWED THIS IN OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL, AND WE BROUGHT IT, I THINK WE DID A DEFERRAL IN OUR LAST MEETING IN ORDER TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
SO THAT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO BE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD COULD BE, COULD BE PUT INTO THE APPLICATION.
AND I'LL, AGAIN, I'LL CONFIRM WITH ROMAN IN JUST A MOMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE, BUT, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY.
AND SO, UM, UH, ROMAN, I JUST, MY ONLY LAST QUESTION IS JUST, UH, ENSURE THAT THE DOCUMENT, THE REASON WHY WE DEFERRED THE PROJECT FROM LAST, OUR LAST MEETING WAS ADDED, I BELIEVE.
MAY MAYBE SIMILAR TO A DOCUMENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE, THE APPLICATION, BUT YES.
BUT WHATEVER ELSE HAS BEEN PROVIDED HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED TO FOR THE RECORD.
THE DOCUMENT THAT HE BROUGHT LAST TIME, WHICH HAD NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO US BEFORE VIA EMAIL OR THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IS NOW ATTACHED.
IT IS ATTACHMENT M LIKE MARY, AND IT IS LABELED THE RENOVATION INSPECTION FOR CLIENT SING HARP PROPERTY ADDRESS 1120 EAST 14.
SO ITEM M LIKE MARY IS THE DOCUMENT HE THEN SUBMITTED AND EMAILED IT INTO STAFF.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOGNI RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM 5 2 0 0 7 CANE STREET.
WELL THEN WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM B, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME, PLEASE APPROACH THE BENCH.
UM, VIRGINIA, IF YOU CAN RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF NOR HILL, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THAT THE NOR HILL GUIDELINES BE MOVED FORWARD AS JUDICIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
EVERY MONTH I COME IN, I'M SAYING IT AGAIN,
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I THINK HAVING GUIDELINES IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY.
IT SPEEDS, UH, THIS PROCESS DOWN.
IT GIVES CLARITY TO THE, UM, WHAT, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMEOWNERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO.
ALL THE, THE, UH, CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS I'VE TALKED TO, UH, THEY ARE ALL FOR THAT.
I'M SURE THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT ARE NOT, BUT MOST OF 'EM ARE FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT PREDICTABILITY AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TO HAVE, UM, A CLARITY AND MORE ASSURANCE.
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A PLACE FOR YOU TO MAKE JUDGMENTS.THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE GRAY AREAS, BUT, UH, IT SHOULD LIMIT THE GRAY AREAS.
AND I, I, UM, MAYBE ROMAN CAN ADD SOME MORE IN HIS REPORT OR THE DIRECTOR.
I KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, FOR THE COMMISSION IS NOT PART OF THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW, BUT ONCE WE DO RECEIVE IT, THEN WE WILL REVIEW IT AND WE WILL, UM, WE WILL ACT ON THAT.
BUT, AND MAYBE ROMAN CAN ADDRESS THAT LATER IN HIS, HIS, UH, HIS UPCOMING REPORT.
SO, SO, UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON.
THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE WILL MOVE ON, UH, TO ITEM C, COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I WOULD JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, LIKE TO READ, REITERATE, UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING SINCE THIS PREVIOUS SUMMER, UM, COMING OUT OF OUR CAMP EXERCISE, UH, AND ENCOURAGE STAFF AND THE DIRECTOR TO HELP US, UH, COME TOGETHER AGAIN WITH THE APPEALS BOARD.
I THINK IT'S JUST ALMOST CRUCIAL THAT WE HAVE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS, UM, THAT WERE STARTED AT CAMP AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS A BOARD TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, NOT HEARING THEM.
WE'LL MOVE ON, UH, ROMAN TO ITEM D, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REPORT.
COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY WAS PREPARED TO SAY NO REPORT TODAY, BUT, UH, WITH THE QUESTION ON THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY OF COURSE HAS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME LEADERSHIP CHANGES AND, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DIRECTOR HAS SOME TIME TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT AND WHERE WE ARE.
AND WE ARE, UH, SHE'S GOT A LOT ON HER PLATE, SO WE'RE WORKING TO GET INTO HER, GET ON HER AGENDA, AND, AND SHE'S TOTALLY ON BOARD.
AND WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT CAREFULLY, MAKE SURE WE PUT A PENCIL TO IT, REVIEW THE CURRENT DRAFT, WHICH HAS PUT, HAS HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT, RECENT PUBLIC INPUT, AS WELL AS THE INPUT FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WE'RE REALLY CONFIDENT IN THE DOCUMENT.
WE THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD DOCUMENTS, SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER THAN EARLIER DRAFTS.
UH, I THINK WE'LL BE VERY PRODUCTIVE AS, UH, MS. KELSEY MENTIONED.
SO WE'RE THAT AS OUR PLAN AND WE THINK WE, WE COULD GET THAT THOROUGH REVIEW DONE IN APPROXIMATELY A MONTH OR SO.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL THE PUBLIC IS, AND EVERYONE WILL SEE IT HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD.
WITH THAT, UM, I'LL BRING THE MEETING TO ADJOURNMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE TIME IS 3 45.