[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on October 10, 2024.]
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5:00 PM THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, 2024.
UH, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION, HAHC, IS CALLED TO ORDER.
I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, I'LL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
VICE CHAIR, UH, JACKSON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER DUBOSE? NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA IS NOT HERE.
MR. COUCH? PRESENT AND PLANNING DIRECTOR TRAN.
I'M GONNA GIVE A, A CHAIR REPORT ON STARTING WITH THE SPEAKER RULES.
UM, THIS MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
MEETINGS START ABOUT A MINUTE OR TWO AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME TO ALLOW THE HTV BROADCAST TO GO LIVE.
SPEAKERS, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S FORM BEFORE THE ITEM IS CALLED AND THEN TURN IT INTO STAFF, UH, NEAR THE FRONT DOOR.
THE SPEAKER RULES ARE POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND ARE AT MY DISCRETION AT THIS MEETING.
APPLICANTS OP MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES.
I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER STAFF'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL OUR DELIBERATIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OCCURS.
AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME WE, WE HAVE A NEW EX-OFFICIAL MEMBER, UM, GINGER, BERNIE WITH THE HOUSTON HISTORY RESEARCH CENTER.
AND, UM, WE WE'LL BE JOINING OUR MEETINGS AND, AND WE WELCOME HER.
AND I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE WORKING WITH GINGER AT THE HERITAGE SOCIETY IN SAMUELSON PARK IN THE PAST LIFE.
AND SO, UM, I HOPE, HOPE THAT THINGS ARE GOING WELL WHERE SHE'S AT NOW.
SO WE WILL START, UM, FIRST WITH THE CON CONSIDERATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2024 HAHC MEETING MINUTES.
WE, THE, I, I IT'S THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I AM VON TRAN, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CITY IS EMBARKING ON A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE SIDEWALK ORDINANCE.
THESE MEETINGS, BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUAL, WILL BE AVAILABLE ALMOST EVERY WEEK, E UH, WEEKDAY EVENINGS FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF THIS MONTH.
PLEASE MONITOR OUR WEBSITE PAGE FOR FURTHER DETAILS.
IN CLOSING, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 6, OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT HOUSTON PLANNING COM.
THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSIDERATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2024 HAHC MEETING, MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MOVES TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? MUST A SECONDS.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MCNEIL ABSTAINS MCNEIL ABSTAINS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH A MOTION TO MOVE, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR ITEM A, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR BATTLE STEAMS AT 8 0 6 MAIN STREET.
UM, TO BE CONSIDERED JUST AFTER THE PRESENTATION
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FOR ITEM D FOUR, UH, FOR THE SAME BUILDING CHAIR HICK, I'M SORRY, MAY I INTERRUPT? UM, THE, THE TEAM OF, UM, UM, 8 0 2.8 0 6 MAIN STREET BATTLE TEAM JUST APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITIONS.
SO THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS, SO I DON'T NEED TO PRESENT IT UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO.
THEY'RE, IT, IT'S, UM, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE LANDMARK LATER, BUT WE WILL STILL PRESENT THE LANDMARK.
SO, BUT D FOUR COULD STAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS SOMEONE PULLS IT.
AND I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, BUT THEY, THEY ARE, IT, WE DON'T WANNA PULL IT WITH, BECAUSE OF THEM TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION.
THEY ARE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS.
I WILL PULL BACK MY MOTION AND THEN WE WILL START WITH ITEM A, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR BATTLE STEAMS AT 8 0 6 MAIN STREET, FORMERLY EIGHT 12 MAIN STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 2.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF BATTLE STAINS.
LOCATED AT 8 0 6 MAIN STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS, 7 7 0 0 2.
BATTLE STAINS IS A 10 STORY TENT.
HIGH RISE BUILDING COMPLETED IN ITS CURRENT FORM IN 1950, AND WAS ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED AS EIGHT 12 MAIN STREET.
IT FUNCTIONED AS A HIGH-END DEPARTMENT STORE UNTIL THE 1980S.
THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AMIDST A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD IN HOUSTON, ARCHITECTURE REPRESENTS A MELTING OF NATURAL AND MANMADE MATERIALS SUCH AS LIMESTONE AND ALUMINUM THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF HOUSTON'S MID-CENTURY MODERN PERIOD.
BATTLE STEAMS WAS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2020 UNDER CRITERION A, IN THE AREA OF COMMERCE AS A ONE OF TOP HIGH END DEPARTMENT STORES THAT UNDERWENT EXTENSIVE MODIFICATIONS TO COMPETE IN AND SERVE DOWNTOWN HOUSTON IN THE MID 20TH CENTURY.
IT IS ALSO LISTED UNDER CRITERION C IN THE AREA OF ARCHITECTURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE OF ITS DISTINCTIVE REPRESENTATION OF ARCHITECTURAL PHILOSOPHY OCCURRING BETWEEN TWO WAVES OF THE MODERN MOVEMENT IN HOUSTON, THE FIRST SPANNING BETWEEN THE 1920S AND 1940S, AND THE SECOND SPANNING FROM WORLD WAR II TO THE 1970S.
THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IS FROM 1950 TO 1967, STARTING FROM THE COMPLETION DATE OF THE CURRENT FORM TO WHEN THE LOCATION STOPPED OPERATING AS A FAMILY BUSINESS.
BALLIN LOCATED AT 8 0 6 MAIN STREET MEETS CRITERIA 1, 4, 6, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF BATTLE STEAMS LOCATED AT 8 0 6 MAIN STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 2.
THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF MEMBER KARA QUIGLEY, AND WAS ADAPTED FROM THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES NOMINATION WRITTEN BY AMANDA BERRY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM ANNA MA.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYONE, UH, HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE.
UH, MY NAME IS AMANDA COLEMAN.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, I AM THE AGENT ON BEHALF OF THE CLIENT, AND WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS, OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS SAT ABANDONED FOR SO LONG.
THIS NOMINATION WILL HELP REACTIVATE THE BUILDING AND HONESTLY BRING IT BACK TO LIFE.
SO WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THIS NOMINATION.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS MATTER MAY BE GOING ON CONSENT, BUT THE, MY, THE BASIC UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PART OF THE JASON HOTEL WILL BE MOVING PROGRAMMING INTO THIS SPACE TO JOIN WITH THAT STRUCTURE.
AND THE, UM, THE JW MARRIOTT STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT IS ALSO A, A CITY OF HOUSTON LANDMARK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF THIS ITEM? OKAY.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS NOMINATION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, WHY ARE THEY NOT GETTING IT LISTED AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK? WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR THAT? THE AGENT? I THINK THE AGENT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
HELLO? SO WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW AND THEY EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE DESIGNATION TO
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MATCH WHAT JW MARIO HAS, WHICH IS A LANDMARK, AND THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY.THAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT WE GOT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, STAFF? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? YEP.
MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? STAAVA SECONDS.
AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM B.
THIS IS A PUBLIC REHEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SAME APPLICATION FOR 37 0 8 AUDUBON PLACE, ALTERATION WINDOWS IN AUDUBON PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LEVENTHAL.
TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM B 37 0 8 AUDUBON PLACE AND AUDUBON PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS A PUBLIC, UH, REHEARING ON THE SAME APPLICATION.
THE REASON BEING IS AT THE SEPTEMBER 12TH COMMISSION MEETING, THE APPLICANT OWNERS DID SHOW UP.
THEY SHOWED UP RIGHT AT THE VERY END, AND THEY'RE GONNA ASK A PUBLIC COMMENT TO HAVE IT RECONSIDERED, BUT AT THAT TIME, IT WAS LATE AND WE HAD LOST QUORUM, SO THEN WE COULD NOT REOPEN IT UP.
SO WITH THE CONSULTATION OF LEGAL COUNSEL OR BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU TO HAVE IT RECONSIDERED AND THE OWNER, MOLLY HARDING, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL BRIEFLY GO OVER WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, IS THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ALREADY BEEN REPLACED.
THIS OCCURRED ON MAY 7TH, 2024.
AND THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A COA.
SO THEY HAVE APPLIED TO GET THIS RECTIFIED.
AND SO THEY HAVE REPLACED IN, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY IN KIND, BUT THEY HAVE TRIED TO MATCH THE LIGHT PATTERN OF THE STYLE AS BEST AS THEY COULD.
AND THESE ARE WINDOWS THAT ARE DONE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
AND SO HERE WHAT WE HAVE IS THEY'RE REPLACED WITH WOOD CLAD WINDOWS.
LIGHT PATTERNS ARE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL ISSUANCE OF COR TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE MATERIAL STYLE AND LIGHT PATTERN OF WHAT WAS REPLACED.
AGAIN, MOLLY HARDING, THE OWNER, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP AS MENTIONED, UM, WITH MOLLY HARDING, PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND, AND COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AND, AND FOR THE RECORDING, HI.
I'M THE CO-OWNER OF 37 0 8 AUTO BOND.
UM, I JUST, WHEN I WANNA APOLOGIZE THAT WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION, I NEVER MEANT TO, WE NEVER MEANT TO RUN A FOUL OR DISRESPECT THE PROCESS.
THEY TOLD US THEY WOULD HANDLE EVERYTHING I THOUGHT THEY WOULD, THEY DIDN'T.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE TRULY WERE TRYING TO HONOR THE HISTORIC STYLE OF OUR HOME.
WE DID REPLACE IT WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
UH, WE DID ADD LIGHTS ON OUR TOP FLOOR TO MATCH THE STYLE OF WHAT WE THINK THE HOME ORIGINALLY WAS.
UM, THOSE WINDOWS WEREN'T ORIGINAL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING YOU ALL TO RECONSIDER AS FOR US, IT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY VERY DIFFICULT TO REPLACE THEM.
UM, THEY WERE COMPLETELY PAINTED SHUT AND A FIRE HAZARD.
AND AGAIN, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TO DISRESPECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE THOUGHT THE WINDOW COMPANY TOOK CARE OF IT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE WINDOW COMPANY, PLEASE MA'AM? HOUSTON WINDOW EXPERTS.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOWS MAY, THE UPPER WINDOWS, I THINK YOU SAID, UH, MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONDITION OF THESE WINDOWS PRIOR TO BEING REMOVED? UM, I, AND, AND, AND ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT, WHY YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE NOT ORIGINAL? SOME OF THEM, UM, JUST PERSONALLY, IF YOU COULD BY LOOKING AT THEM, YOU COULD TELL THEY WEREN'T THE ORIGINAL WINDOW.
BUT ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT PHOTOS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ALMOST ALL THE HOUSES ON THE UPPER LEVEL HOMES HAVE LIKE MULTIDI DIVIDED LIGHT AND BOTH NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF US.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO MATCH.
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WINDOWS IN THE PHOTO WHERE IT SAYS ORIGINAL MATERIALS REMOVED, DO YOU STILL HAVE THE WINDOWS? SO, AND ACTUALLY THE COMMISSION, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS JASON INSTRUCTED THE WINDOW COMPANY TO KEEP THEM, UM, DURING, AND THEY, THIS WAS DONE DURING INSTALL AND THE WINDOW COMPANY DID NOT KEEP THEM.SO WE NO, WE NO LONGER HAVE THEM, WHICH IS WHY I SAY I'M ASKING, PLEASE, CAN WE RECONSIDER 'CAUSE WE CAN'T PUT THEM BACK.
AND AT THIS POINT IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF PULLING OUT WHAT I THINK ARE PERFECTLY GOOD WINDOWS TO REPLACE WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
SO, SO TO COMMISSIONER BLAKELY'S QUESTION, THESE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS ARE OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE MOST RECENTLY REMOVED THAT WERE AND AND ARE NO LONGER ON SITE, THEY'RE NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN ANY CASE, THEY'RE, IT SAYS ORIGINAL.
AND I DON'T MEAN TO NITPICK, BUT THEY, THEY WERE WHAT WERE REMOVED.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? OH, THE, THE LOWER LEVEL, I BELIEVE WERE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
THE UPPER LEVEL, I DON'T BELIEVE WERE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
BUT AGAIN, I, I HAVE NO WAY TO TO PROVE THAT.
I HAVE SOMETHING, I ADMIT I AM THE ONE THAT RE THAT I HAD CALLED THE CITY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I SAW THEM CHANGING THE WINDOWS.
I WAS CONCERNED, I SAW THE WINDOWS THERE AT THE FENCE AND THE UPPER WINDOWS WERE ORIGINAL.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT RACHEL PAXTON, OH, WHAT COMPANY NAME OF PLUM ALLY.
ALLY HAS, OH, ALLY HAS THE WINDOWS NOW THAT'S, I, SHE TOOK THEM IS MY UNDERSTANDING TO KEEP, TO HOLD ONTO THEM HOPING THAT THEY COULD BE PUT BACK.
BUT, UM, I'M JUST GOING BASED OFF WHAT THE WINDOW COMPANY TOLD ME OVER THE PHONE, WHICH WAS THAT THEY WERE DISPOSED OF.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, THERE'S QUESTION IF JUST ELABORATE ON THAT.
AND IS A, JUST SORT TO BACK UP, THERE'S A QUESTION I HEARD, BUT PLUM ALLEY IS A COMPANY, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT RE REHAB TRADITIONAL WINDOWS AND HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF CLASSES, SEMINARS ON HOW TO DO IT, UM, AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF, UM, THEIR SHOP IS JUST, UH, AROUND THE CORNER FROM TSU UNIVERSITY.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A HOUSE NEARBY AND WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.
AND I, I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY COULD COME AND GET THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD'VE BEEN PUT IN THE TRASH.
JASON, YOU HAD MORE TO ADD? YES.
AND TO ADD TO THAT, I BELIEVE PLUM ALLEY MAY HAVE COME BEFORE I TOOK PICTURES OF THESE WINDOWS THAT I FOUND ON THAT DAY.
SO IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO FOLLOW UP TO SEE IF SHE STILL HAS 'EM.
BUT THESE PICTURES HERE IS WHAT I SAW WHEN I WAS THERE.
AND I GOT THERE LATE THAT DAY, MAYBE AROUND THREE 30 OR FOUR O'CLOCK.
JASON, YOU SAID THAT WAS AFTER PLUM ALLEY HAD BEEN, I BELIEVE I ARRIVED AFTER PLUM ALLEY AND THEY MAY HAVE COME BACK AND GOT THESE, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE WHAT THEY'VE GOT, WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE.
MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE UNSURE IF THEY CAME BACK OR NOT.
BUT AGAIN, I WAS THERE ABOUT FOUR, UH, 3 30, 4 O'CLOCK AND I STAYED ON SITE TILL ABOUT 4 30, 4 40.
SO THEY MAY HAVE THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THE PHOTOS AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, IF THEY CAME BACK, YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY KEPT.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
WE JUST NEED TO ASK, WE NEED TO CHECK WITH PLUM ALLEY.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES ARE THERE? I MEAN, ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AUDUBON PLACES A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES ARE THERE THROUGH WHICH YOU COULD FIND OUT INFORMATION SUCH AS RESTRICTIONS ON WINDOWS AND SO FORTH? IS THERE, SORRY, HERE WE GO.
THE I THE WINDOW COMPANY, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS ANY RESTRICTION ON OUR WINDOWS.
UM, THEY DIDN'T EXPRESS THAT TO US.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED IN THE HOUSE ABOUT A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF PRIOR TO THAT.
AND I KNEW WE WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS ANY SORT OF PROHIBITION ON REPLACING OUR WINDOWS, PARTICULARLY GIVEN, LIKE I SAID, THAT I JUST FELT LIKE THEY WERE A FIRE HAZARD AND DANGEROUS.
AND I JUST, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER AND I THOUGHT THE WINDOW COMPANY DID EVERYTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO, BUT THEN DID YOU THINK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAD TO DO WITH PRESERVING OTHER CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE? AND WHAT WERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE RESTRICTED IN YOUR MIND? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST, UH, CHANGES TO LIKE, IF YOU ADDED AN ADDITION OR YOU DID A BUILD, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGED THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE LOOKED.
UM, I SAID WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO MATCH THE EXISTING STYLE OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS AND DO TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND, BUT AGAIN, IT WASN'T BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH, IF WE DO THAT, WE
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DON'T HAVE TO DO A PERMIT.DID YOU, IT SAYS IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE PROJECT WAS RED TAGGED MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE TRIED WHEN, WHEN YOU CALLED THE CITY ABOUT THE RED TAG.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO INVOLVE THE WINDOW COMPANY AND UNSUCCESSFULLY, I THOUGHT, AGAIN, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HANDLE ANY ISSUES WITH THE GETTING A PERMIT AND UM, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED AND ARE NO LONGER INVOLVED.
YEAH, THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
WAS THERE SOMETHING IN THE WINDOW COMPANY'S CONTRACT THAT SAID WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS COMPLIANCE? I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU THOUGHT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT, WAS THAT BECAUSE THEY EXPLICITLY SAID, WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS? THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
AND I, AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW WE NEEDED A PERMIT, SO I DIDN'T ASK, YOU KNOW, DID YOU GO GET A PERMIT? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS IF IT MENTIONS PERMIT LANGUAGE.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE, MR. SURE.
UH, ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR, UH, JASON, PLEASE.
YES, UH, UH, I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION HERE.
IT SAYS DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF COR TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS IN, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, YOU ARE ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE NEW WOOD WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO FINDING THE ORIGINALS AND REHABBING THEM.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JASON? ALSO? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAW THE WINDOWS PAINTED SHUT, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER CALLING A WINDOW RESTORATION COMPANY INSTEAD OF UH, JUST REPLACING THEM ALL? LIKE DID THAT EVER SO WE, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I, WE, THAT'S WHEN WE CALLED, WE ACTUALLY WERE CALLING 'CAUSE THEY, WE HAD HAD THE LOWER EXTERIOR WINDOWS REPAIRED TWICE.
AND SO THE SECOND TIME THAT THEY CAME OUT, UM, THEY JUST RECOMMENDED THAT WE REPLACED BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE CONTINUE, WE'RE HAVING CONTINUED TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH LEAKS.
SO YES, I, I MEAN WE ABSOLUTELY CONSIDERED FIXING THEM OR WANTING TO FIX THEM.
UM, BUT JUST AGAIN, IT WAS HIGHLY, THEY WERE LEAKING AND ENERGY EFFICIENT AND WE JUST HAD A BABY.
AND LIKE I SAID, HAD I KNOWN THAT THIS WAS A THING, WE WOULD'VE NEVER DONE IT.
AND I'M VERY SORRY, BUT JUST FINANCIALLY THIS WILL BE SO DIFFICULT IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
UM, SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU RECONSIDER I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I THINK MR. COSGROVE MAY, MAY HAVE A QUESTION.
OH, YOU WERE FIRST, IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.
DO WE NOT HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS HOUSE BEFORE 2022? IF WE GO TO THE PHOTOS, I HAVE HAR PHOTOS.
I KNOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, THERE'S NO TAX PHOTO.
WE HAVE THE INVENTORY PHOTO AND I HAVE A BLA, BUT THERE IS NO BLACK AND WHITE BLA PHOTO AND NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION OF THE HOUSE PRIOR, LIKE TO SHOW US WHAT THE LIGHT PATTERN WAS OR ANYTHING.
I COULD HAVE CHECKED WITH GOOGLE STREET FEE AND GONE BACK IN TIME.
THAT'S SOMETHING I DID NOT DO.
BUT I WOULD ADD THOUGH, DURING THE CONTEXT, I DID WALK UP AND DOWN AUDUBON PLACE.
I TOOK PICTURES OF ALL THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND IT DOES SHOW EVIDENCE THAT ON THE UPPER SASH THAT THERE IS DIVIDED LIGHTS.
SO I, I KIND OF DO FEEL THAT THOSE UPPER WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONES WERE NON-ORIGINAL AND WHAT THEY GOT REPLACED WAS ACTUALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DO SEE THAT EVIDENCE THROUGHOUT AUDUBON PLACE ON THAT STREET.
BUT IT WOULD BE JUST THE UPPER SASH.
UM, GOOGLE STREET VIEW GOES BACK TO NOVEMBER OF OH SEVEN AND IT'S THE ONE OVER ONES.
SO IT GOES BACK, EVEN BACK THEN.
SO THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED THAT FOR A WHILE.
THEN BA BASED ON COMMISSIONER STAVES, UM, NOTICING OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT WERE PULLED OUT ALL HAVE ROPES ON 'EM.
UH, YEAH, THERE'S WEIGHTS ON THE GROUND I WOULD SUGGEST.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, IT'S UNLIKELY.
AND I MEAN IT SEEMS ODD AND AUDUBON PLACE THAT THEY WOULD BE ONE OVER ONE THAT THEIR ORIGINAL ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PUT IN NEW WEIGHT AND PULLEY WINDOWS IN 1940 AND THEN KEEP 'EM FOR 70 YEARS.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED RECENTLY AT ALL.
I THINK THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
MR. BLAKELEY, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, HOW DO PEOPLE FIND OUT THAT THEIR HOME IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ONCE THEY DO FIND OUT WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
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I KNOW SINCE I KNOW THAT THIS CAN VARY FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT, LET'S SAY AN AUDUBON PLACE.LIKE WHERE WOULD ONE HAVE GONE TO FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY? I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I, I'D SUGGEST THAT THIS BE RESERVED FOR DISCUSSION TO THE END OF THE AGENDA FROM COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE ON AN AGENDA ITEM, YOU'RE ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION AND, AND YES, THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT, BUT I SUGGEST THAT IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION DIRECTLY, BUT PROBABLY TO BROADER.
AND SO BRINGING IT UP AT COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
I ALSO, SORRY, THINK THAT IF THERE'S NO WAY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THE LIMITS ARE, THEN WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IF THEY HAVE CROSSED A LINE.
IF, IF ANSWERS AGREE, IT'S A VALID, VALID POINT.
AND, AND I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT TOO AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WORTHY OF DISCUSSION.
ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE HEARD NEW INFORMATION.
SORRY, I, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS.
I I WOULD MOVE THAT THE, UM, WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION EXCEPT THAT THE TWO, UH, THAT THE LOWER WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED REMAIN IN PLACE 'CAUSE THEY MATCH THE ORIGINAL LIGHT DETAIL, BUT THAT THE UPPER WINDOWS, THE TWO UPPER WINDOWS GET REPLACED WITH ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND THEN IT ALSO APPEARS THAT A WINDOW WAS PUT IN PLACE OF A DOOR OF THAT FRONT BALCONY AND THAT IT COULD BE REPLACED WITH A LIKE DOOR, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A, UH, EIGHT LIGHT WOOD DOOR.
AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE COR DETAIL REPLACEMENT OF TWO WINDOWS AND ONE DOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE STILL IN EXISTENCE BEFORE WE DECIDE ANYTHING.
HONESTLY, I WOULD RATHER DEFER THIS AND, AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
JAMS AND BULLIES AND I MEAN LOT OF, A LOT OF PARTS THAT ALWAYS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE MOTIVATED, UH, UH, UH, PEOPLE.
UH, IF, IF THAT'S A MOTION COMMISSIONER COUCH, I'LL SECOND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND, AND, UH, ALLOW COMMISSIONER COUCH TO MOVE FORWARD.
I I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO FIND OUT IF THE WINDOWS ARE STILL IN EXISTENCE BEFORE WE DECIDE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND CURRY SECONDS.
JONES OPPOSES ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM C, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SORRY.
A PUBLIC REHEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SAME APPLICATION FOR 3 7 1 1 AUDUBON PLACE, ALTERATION WINDOWS AND AUDUBON PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LEVENTHAL ENTAL.
TODAY, TODAY SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM C 37 11 AUDUBON PLACE AND AUDUBON PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS ADDRESS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ONE WE HEARD ON THE SAME DAY.
I WENT OUT TO MAY 7TH ABOUT THIS REPORT.
I WENT ACROSS THE STREET TO START CONSULTING WITH STAFF AND I WAS STANDING IN THE SHADE OF THE TREE 'CAUSE IT WAS A BLOODY HOT DAY.
TURNED AROUND AND SAW JAILED WIND WINDOWS ON THIS LOCATION.
SO THEN THAT'S WHEN I REPORTED THIS TO 3 1 1.
AS THEY GOT THEIR WINDOWS CHANGED OUT.
FIRSTLY, CHRISTIE CHANG, THE OWNER COULD NOT BE HERE.
SHE INFORMED ME THAT SHE IS ILL AND SHE WILL NOT BE HERE IN ATTENDANCE TO ASK, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT WE COULD SAY THAT THE SAME THING OCCURRED.
BUT IN THIS, UM, PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE THERE IN THE FRONT.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DOOR, YOU HAD CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH DIVIDED LIGHT PATTERNS.
THOSE ORIGINAL ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DOOR, YOU HAD TO DIVIDE LIGHTS ON THE UPPER SASH.
AND THEN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON THE UP ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION TOWARDS THE FRONT, THOSE WERE REPLACED AS WELL.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
AN ISSUANCE OF COR REINSTALL AND ORIGINAL WINDOW ON THE ELEVATION FOR WHEN IF A WINDOW ON THE REAR ELEVATION FITS THAT MAY BE USED OR A NEW ALL WOOD WINDOW MATCHING THE WINDOW LIGHT PATTERN THAT WAS REMOVED.
REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OR RIGHT SIDE WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCHED THE LIGHT PATTERN AND STYLE OF THE WINDOWS REMOVED.
AND THAT STYLE IS REFERENCING THAT THOSE WERE CASEMENT WINDOWS.
AND I WILL ADD THAT I DID GO OUT THERE, SPEAK WITH CHRISTY CHANG TWO WEEKS AGO.
WE WENT OVER THAT SHE COULD REMOVE A WINDOW
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ON THE REAR ELEVATION, REPLACE IT TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DOOR.I DID ASK HER TO GET IN CONTACT WITH GROGAN, SEE IF THEY CAN GET THAT WITH CASEMENT, OR CONTACT RACHEL PAXTON AT PLUM ALLEY, SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE LIFE PATTERN AND CASEMENT.
I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK IF SHE HAS HAD ANY SUCCESS WITH THAT ENDEAVOR.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, YOU MENTIONED APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WILL TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF SO, PLEASE UH, ASK YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ABOUT THIS ITEM? I JUST WANNA SAY I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT GROGAN WOULD DO THIS OF ALL PEOPLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE HEIGHTS AND THEY TALK ABOUT WORKING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT ALL THE TIME.
SO IF THEY'RE DOING IT
IF NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION COMMISSIONER OR ANOTHER, OR ANOTHER MOTION MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? MR. UH, HAVE SECONDS? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS AND MOTION PASSES.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO HAVE COMMISSIONER COUCH BRING THIS TOPIC UP AGAIN AT THE END WHEN WE DISCUSS ABOUT, UH, WINDOW, UH, WINDOW PRODUCERS OR WINDOW INSTALLERS AS WELL, PLEASE.
UH, I THINK THAT, UH, I HAVE SOME POINTS TO ADD TO THAT, UH, AS WELL.
AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DID WE, WHY DID WE HAVE A PUBLIC REHEARING FOR THIS CASE? UM, DID, DID THEY, DID YOU SAY I, I I'M NOT SURE THE ANSWER FOR THE SECOND APPLICATION.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA LAST MONTH AND THAT THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT AND IT DIDN'T GET PULLED OFF, WOULD BE MY GUESS.
YOU, YOU COULD TAKE NO ACTION ON IT AT THIS POINT, SINCE IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA LAST MONTH.
IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO CONSIDER SINCE THE APPLICANT CAN'T BE HERE, I THINK WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION TO THE FIRST ONE WHERE THEY, THEY WANTED TO SPEAK.
THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND, AND GET FORWARDED AND PASSED BY COMM BY THE COMMISSION.
SO THEREFORE THEY ASKED THAT IT BE PUT BACK ON.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, FOR THE FIRST PROJECT WE SAW, ITEM B WAS THEY WERE IN THE ROOM AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT THE QUORUM WAS NOT HERE.
THAT, SO THIS WAS A COURTESY TO, UM, TO, TO OPEN, OPEN THAT UP AND LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT JUST COULDN'T, COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.
ACTUALLY, TO ELABORATE, THAT HOMEOWNER AT 37 11 WAS IN THE ROOM IN SEPTEMBER 12TH WITH THE OWNER.
YOU JUST, UM, HEARD FROM, THEY BOTH SHOWED UP AND THEY'RE BOTH HERE WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO HAVE EVERY RECONSIDERED WHEN QUORUM WAS NO LONGER, UM, MET.
BUT, BUT HERE, BUT NOT HERE TODAY.
SHE GOT LATE, SHE ARRIVED LATE AT THE VERY END OF COMMISSION.
SO WE GONNA START LETTING ALL THESE PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GIVING SPECIAL TREATMENT TO PEOPLE.
I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION SEVEN YEARS NOW AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE LET SOMEONE WHO CAME LATE GET SPECIAL TREATMENT.
YEAH, BUT DIDN'T IT ALSO HAVE TO DO WITH TURN ON THE MIC? SORRY.
WELL, WE EXPLAIN WHAT AGENDA MEANS.
I THINK THIS IS, AND AND I'M GONNA TRY AND SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY.
I I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.
SO THIS WAS AN, WE EXTENDED A COURTESY AND I THINK FAIRLY TO GIVE THESE HOMEOWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE WANNA DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT I THINK GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO EASILY IN THIS MEETING.
WELL, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE TWO IN QUESTION THOUGH, THEY SHOWED UP LATE TO THE MEETING.
THEY WERE NOT HERE DURING THE CONSENT OR THE DISCUSSION OF INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
THEY SHOWED UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING AFTER I HAD LEFT.
AND, UM, BUT, BUT I MEAN, THEY, I THINK THEY GET NOTICED THAT THE MEETING'S HAPPENING.
AND EVERYONE THAT APPLIES GETS THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THE MEETING'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHAT TIME IT IS.
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OKAY.UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT.
I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS CLEANER THAN THE LAST ONE.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC.
I AM STAFF MEMBER TERRANCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY'S STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING THREE ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION ITEM D 1 34 23 WHITE OAK, AN ALTERATION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM D 4 8 0 6 MAIN STREET AND ALTERATION.
ADDITION LANDMARK, THE BATTLES APPROVAL WITH CONDITION CONDITIONS AND ITEM D 8 6 2 7 HIGHLAND STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE THREE PROCEEDING ITEMS. WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE IN THE ROOM IS HERE FOR ITEMS ONE, FOUR, OR EIGHT.
AND IF YOU ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF AND WOULD LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THESE ITEMS FOR AN INDIVID INDIVIDUAL CON DISCUSSION, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF IN THE PROJECT.
I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THESE THREE ITEMS CURRENTLY.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS OF THESE THREE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSENT? COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THE CONSENT PASSES AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM D TWO.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE ITEMS B TWO AND THREE TOGETHER? GOOD AFTERNOON? YES.
I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN DO THE SAME AS WE DID LAST.
SO IF, IF WE CAN AT LEAST, UH, PRESENT ITEMS B TWO AND B THREE, WE MAY HAVE TO VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY, BUT, OKAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF MEMBER YASMIN ALAN SUBMITTING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM D TWO AT 1131 TON STREET HOUSTON HEIGHTS, UM, SUBDIVISION, THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,242 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND A 613 TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE SITUATED ON A 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920 IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT WEST.
THIS ITEM, UM, APPEARED IN FRONT OF COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER AND WAS, UM, DEFERRED BY HAHC.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN ON A SITE VISIT AND, UH, DID A DESIGN REVIEW.
UH, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WAS THERE TO, UM, HELP AND WE APPRECIATE HIS TIME.
THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THE DETACHED TWO STORY GARAGE CONNECTED TO THE ADDITION WITH A PATIO AND A COVERED BREEZEWAY.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL BE, UM, 400, UH, 50 SQUARE FEET ON, UH, SQUARE FOOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND IT'S INSET ON BOTH SIDES.
THE REAR PATIO IS 146, UM, QUA, UH, A SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO THAT CONNECTS TO THE TWO STORY GARAGE WITH CONDITION SPACE ON TOP OF A PART OF IT.
THE PART THAT HAS CONDITION SPACE ON TOP IS 119, UM, SQUARE FOOT.
THE FIRST FLOOR SIDE ADDITION, UM, THAT IS TWO FEET OFFSET ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
SECOND FLOOR IS 874, UM, SQUARE FOOT THAT ENCROACHES OVER THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FOR 25%.
THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE AT 27 FEET AND 11 AND 30, UM, EIGHTH, UH, THREE EIGHTHS, UM, INCHES.
ALL NEW WINDOWS TO BESET AND RECESSED ADDITION WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH, UM, FOUR INCH EXPOSURE.
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STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITION THAT THE SIDE ADDITION BUMP IS TO BE REMOVED AND THE SECOND FRONT DOOR IS TO REMAIN.AMEEN, AT THIS TIME, YOU'RE, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AND THERE MAY BE MORE.
DO I, DO I, DO I MENTION THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GARAGE OR NOT YET? OH, I'M SORRY.
BUT PLEASE, I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M ASKING.
AND SO I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANNA VOTE SEPARATELY OR, OKAY.
AND I, AND I CAN, UM, EXPLAIN THE GARAGE IF, IF NEEDED.
UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GARAGE IS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, THE PORCH, THE COVERED PORCH ON THE SECOND STORY ON THE SOUTH, UM, SIDE BE REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, AND SO IT WILL APPEAR TWO STORY ON ONE SIDE AND ONE STORY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT'S NOT OFFSET ON BOTH SIDES.
SO I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGN UP FOR THIS ITEM.
UM, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE FIRST IS JUSTIN PATTERSON.
COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THE RECORDING? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN MY WIFE, ER COULDN'T BE HERE, IF YOU REMEMBER.
WELL, SHE'S NO LONGER PREGNANT NOW WE HAVE THE, THE BABY.
AND SO APPRECIATE, UH, THE TIME.
UH, WE WERE HERE, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY, BUT IT WAS A FEW, FEW WEEKS AGO AND WE HAD A BUSY, UH, A BUSY FEW WEEKS, OBVIOUSLY, UM, HAD THE HEARING AND THERE WERE TWO CONCERNS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UH, QUITE A BIT.
ONE, UH, AS FAR AS MASSING AND THE OTHER IN TERMS OF PATIO SIZE.
AND THEY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TOGETHER, UH, WERE THE FOUNDATION FOR A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT WE DISCUSSED.
UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, WE WENT BACK AND SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH THE DESIGNERS TO, UH, TO LAY OUT SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS IS, I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS WHO SPOKE, BUT TRUTH IS, IT WAS ALL IN SORT OF UNISON ON THE SAME, ON THE SAME POINTS FROM DIFFERENT, UH, FROM DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS.
AND THEN SUBJECT TO THAT IS YASMINE MENTIONED, AND I APPRECIATE HER AND, AND, AND MR. CO COSGROVE COMING OUT TO THE, UH, PROPERTY TO WALK IT WITH US, AS THAT DOES PROVIDE A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINT AS WELL.
IF WE COULD, COULD YOU PICK UP THE PICTURE OF, IS THERE A WAY TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME, LIKE WHAT WE SUBMITTED THE, THE FIRST TIME AROUND? DO YOU WANT THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING OR THE, WHAT WAS THERE? UH, NO, THE, UH, SORRY.
THE DESIGN, UH, THAT WE SUBMITTED AT THE LAST HEARING.
THE ELEVATION OR, YEAH, THE ELEVATION AND THE BACK PATIO.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE SIDE BY SIDE WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
OH, IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE THERE? YEAH, APOLOGIES.
UM, I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT TOO, I GUESS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MASSING ITSELF CAME DOWN QUITE A BIT.
UH, THE PATIO CANDIDLY FELL IN HALF.
UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, THANK YOU, UM, FROM, FROM STAFF, UH, AND FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, WE TOOK THEM TO HEART.
SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON 'EM.
THEN AS I SAID, WITH COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WALKING IN, IT WAS A PARTICULARLY HOT DAY.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THEM COMING, UH, BEHIND OUR HOUSE.
CAN YOU SHIFT TO THE PICTURES? WHAT'S BEHIND OUR HOUSE? SO BEHIND OUR HOUSE IS REGIONS BANK, WHAT USED TO BE THE HEB, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT AN HEB SMALL STORE, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
UM, AND THEN NEXT DOOR THERE'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURE AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT THE BACK PARKING LOT AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND THE REGENTS BANK.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY BESIDE US IS A TWO STORY GARAGE.
AND SO WE MOVED THE GARAGE, OBVIOUSLY ON THAT SIDE, HAD WORKED WITH OUR NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING AS WELL.
UM, POINT BEING THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT BOTH PRIOR TO THAT LAST MEETING AS WELL AS CANDIDLY, UH, WHEN I SAY MEETING, I MEAN WITH COMMISSIONER COSGROVE AND, UH, AND YASMINE, IN ADDITION TO THIS MEETING HERE, MADE SOME SUBSEQUENT CHANGES AS WELL.
AND THEN, AND THEN RESUBMITTED, UH, I SAY ALL OF THAT TO SAY THAT WE DID SPEND NOT JUST THE TIME, BUT THE EFFORT, UH, TO MEET ALL OF THE CONCERNS.
AND SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, THE, THE GARAGE BEING A NON, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, IS THAT RIGHT? AND SO THAT BEING A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, I THINK IT WAS, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MAKING A MISTAKE, BUT, UH, MS. UCKS TATTOO WHO MENTIONED, HEY, TAKING THE, THE, THE, UH, THE GROUND LEVEL LEVEL, THERE'S A MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL MINUTE MORE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF I GET SIX MINUTES.
I THINK THAT WAS THREE MINUTES.
JUST 'CAUSE THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT CASES.
UH, AND SO WE DID MOVE IT FROM THE, THE GROUND FLOOR.
I THINK YOU MADE MENTION, HEY,
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THE PATIO WAS PRETTY, UH, I FORGET THE WORD YOU USED, BUT JUST LARGE.UM, AND SO WE MOVED THAT PART OF IT TO ABOVE THE GARAGE AND SORT OF PICKED UP A LITTLE BIT THERE.
UH, REALLY JUST HAVING AN ENTRANCE THAT WAS INDEPENDENT OF THAT.
I THINK THE OTHER TWO FEATURES ARE THE DOOR AND THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ARE THE DOOR AND THE BUMP OUT, UH, THE DOOR WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GET THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL FACADE WHEN YOU COME IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT I CAN, I CAN SEE YOUR POINT.
WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I GET, I GET STAFF'S POINT, I GET THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, ISSUE.
ON THE, ON THE BUMP OUT THOUGH, UH, CANDIDLY, IF YOU ARE AT THE HOUSE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE SEEING FROM THE FRONT.
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
AND I, I IMPLORE YOU TO KIND OF STUDY THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF WE CAN AND DISCUSS IT.
'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? I HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UM, AND THAT IS JUSTIN PATTERSON.
AND JUST, WE DID NOTICE THE, THE ADDITIONAL OFFSETS CREATED AND, AND THE RE RECONFIGURATION OF THE PORCH.
AND, AND SO THO THOSE ARE DULY NOTED.
THE, THE THANK YOU, THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP MR. F WITH A COUPLE QUOTES FROM THE GUIDELINES.
AGAIN, I, I FEEL LIKE WE, WE'VE STARTED DOING THIS A LOT AND I DON'T REALLY ENJOY IT AS MUCH, BUT WHEN A DU FORMER DUPLEX IS BEING RENOVATED, THE GUIDELINES DO ALLOW FOR A FRONT DOOR TO BE REPLACED WITH A WINDOW AND LEAVE THE OTHER DOOR AS IS.
UM, I THAT I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT IF IT'S ALLOWED, IT HAS BEEN ALLOWED IN THE PAST FOR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE ALLOWED AGAIN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SIDE FACING DOOR, FRONT DOOR, CLEARLY LEAVE IT ALONE, REFINISHED, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE BUMP OUT GOES, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE PRESENTED ORIGINALLY WITH THE DESIGN TO STAFF AND WAS TOLD, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT, UM, WAS THE QUOTE OF WHETHER THIS IS DOABLE IN THIS SITUATION.
AND SO ONCE THE FLOOR PLAN KIND OF COMES TOGETHER AND THAT PIECE IS IN THERE, IT, IT REALLY MAKES A WORLD, WORLD OF DIFFERENCE THAT THAT TWO FEET FOR THE 25% REAR 40% OF THE EXISTING HOME, UM, ALL WORKS.
AS FAR AS THE PATIO ON THE GARAGE, I WOULD SAY THE LIVING SPACE ON EXTERIOR OF A PATIO, I MEAN IN THE HEIGHTS, IS SOMETHING TO BE LONG FOR PEOPLE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR JUST TO ENJOY.
BECAUSE I THINK 2020 TAUGHT US A LOT ABOUT HANGING OUT AT THE HOUSE AND HAVING THOSE SPACES AT HOME.
AND WITH THESE CHANGES TO MAKE THE MASSING MORE APPEALING AND MORE APPROPRIATE, THE SCALE OF THE PATIO WAS DOWNGRADED.
AND SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS KIND OF BRING IT UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR AS RECOMMENDED, BUT NOT ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE DID IT ON THE NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE.
UM, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND HOW WE LANDED HERE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY, SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
AND IT'S, UM, GUESS FROM MY, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE'S REALLY, I GUESS THERE ARE THREE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
THE COVERING THE, THE PORCH ON THE GARAGE, THE BUMP OUT, WHICH WAS COMMISSIONER YAPS, UH, QUESTION, UH, TO, UH, EXPOSE THE ORIGINAL CORNER OF THE HOME AND THE, UM, THE ADDITIONAL DOOR FOR THE DUPLEX.
SO IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS ON THESE ITEMS, COULD, UM, COULD SOMEONE POINT OUT WHERE THE PLAN OF THE PORCH ON THE GARAGE PATIO ON THE GARAGE IS? WHICH PAGE? IT, IT'S SHOWN IN PLAN.
IT'S ON, SO IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THE LITTLE HAND IS HOVERING.
AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS, BUT WHAT'S OBJECTIONABLE ABOUT THE BUMP OUT AND THE PORCH? TO ME, THE BUMP OUT WAS, UM, I THINK AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE IT OBSCURES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE ORIGINAL CORNER OF THE HOUSE? IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO INCREASE OR THE DESIRE, EXCUSE ME, TO INCREASE THEIR DINING ROOM OR THE KITCHEN, UH, A LITTLE BIT.
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ME, THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY OBSCURING THAT CORNER AND REMOVING THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM CREATING THE BUMP OUT.BUT IF THE GUIDELINES 6.13 ALLOW A BUMP OUT, HOW DO WE, WELL, I, I THINK HOW DO WE SUBJECTIVELY SAY THEY CAN'T HAVE A BUMP OUT WHEN THE GUIDELINES SAY THEY CAN HAVE A BUMP OUT? BECAUSE SUBJECTIVELY THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN SINK THAT THEY'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SO MANY OF THE OPTIONS TO EXPAND THIS HOUSE.
THAT FOR ME, FOR THIS COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A STEP TOO FAR.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, THE GUIDELINES ONLY SHOW IF YOU'RE DOING A SITE ADDITION, IF THEN THEY SHOW DIFFERENT KINDS OF ADDITIONS THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED OR NOT RECOMMENDED.
THEY DON'T SHOW A REAR EDITION AND A SIDE EDITION IN A, IN A, IN A TWO STORY.
UM, SO IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE COMMISSION.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING DISCUSSED AND IT'LL BE, THE CONSENSUS WILL DETERMINE THAT THIS ISSUE.
I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT THE DOOR QUESTION FOR THE DUPLEX.
UM, AS WAS MENTIONED WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, WHAT IS THE POSITION OF STAFF IN TERMS OF THE, UM, ALLOWING THAT SECOND DOOR TO BECOME A WINDOW? WE FELT THAT THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO TONE IT DOWN WITH NOT ALLOWING THE SIDE ADDITION AND THE DOOR AND JUST FOCUSING ON THAT REAR ADDITION AND THE GARAGE, BECAUSE ALL OF THEM TOGETHER WERE A LOT OF ALTERATION, A LOT OF BIG MASSING.
SO THAT THAT'S WHAT, UM, STAFF AFTER DISCUSSING FELT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT'S, UM, BEFORE YOU NOW AND, AND YOU ARE, UM, YOUR, YOUR WISDOM IS REQUIRED.
AND I DO DULY NOTE THAT OTHER CHANGES TO THE MASSING AND THE PORCH, UH, ON THE MAIN HOME, UM, WERE MUCH, UH, IMPROVED.
UM, YES, THE REAR, THE REAR PATIO IS MUCH SMALLER.
THE CONDITION SPACE ON TOP OF THE REAR PATIO IS SMALLER.
I THINK IF WE ADD THE REAR, UM, PATIO WITH CONDITION SPACE ON TOP, THEY WILL ONLY BE OVER, UH, SIX, SIX, UH, 65 FEET OVER FAR.
NOT, NOT THAT WE ARE, BECAUSE IT'S EXEMPT, BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH A HISTORIC PORCH, BUT IF WE DO, THEY ARE ONLY, UH, 65 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND, UM, OVER, AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE, THE, UM, THE OWNER JUST SAID THAT IF HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THE SIDE EDITION, HE WILL USE THAT WINDOW AND PUT IT ON TOP OF THE SIDE DECISION.
SO HE WANTS TO USE THE SAME MATERIAL THAT'S THERE, BUT HE WANTS THAT EXTRA, UM, SPACE.
I'M INCLINED TO SAY THAT THE LITTLE POP OUT THING DOESN'T BOTHER ME THAT MUCH, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE FRONT DOOR TO STAY TO SHOW THAT IT WAS A DUPLEX AT ONE TIME.
SINCE THEY HAVE REVISED THE DESIGN SUBSTANTIALLY TO GET RID OF THIS VERY LARGE.
IS THAT A MOTION COVERED AREA?
I, HAVING MADE A SITE VISIT, THE, THE SIGN ADDITION'S PRETTY FAR BACK.
IT'S PRETTY OBSCURED FROM THE STREET.
I MEAN, THE LITTLE BUMP OUT, I, I DIDN'T, BEING AT THE SITE, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, THE BALCONY ON THE GARAGE, TO ME, GARAGES OR APARTMENTS OR QUARTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SECONDARY STRUCTURES.
AND HISTORICALLY THEY WERE VERY PLAIN AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE BALCONIES ON THEM.
SO I'M LESS INCLINED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
AND I, I FEEL THAT MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE'VE DONE DUPLEXES, WE'VE RETAINED YEAH, BOTH DOORS.
I MEAN, I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THERE IS ONE WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE NOT, BUT YEAH.
BUT AT LEAST WHEN I THINK OF IT, I THINK MOST OF THE TIME, I MEAN, THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS ON STU WOOD AND WE HAD THEM RETAIN BOTH DOORS AND BOTH FRONT PORCHES.
WELL, WELL THEN I, I'D, I'LL LET THAT STAND AS A MOTION.
I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE GARAGE SEPARATELY.
'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT SEPARATELY, DON'T WE? WE DON'T HAVE TO.
BUT AREN'T THEY TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS? I I THINK YOUR MOTION COULD BE TO APPROVE BOTH APPLICATIONS WITH ONE MOTION IF YOU ARE ALL, IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT, IN FAVOR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF YOU WANNA ADD CONDITIONS OR CHANGE ANYTHING, I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING THEM SEPARATELY JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHICH IT APPLIES TO.
AND YOU COULD CHOOSE TO TAKE THEM BOTH SEPARATELY.
AND I WOULD PREFER TO DO 'EM SEPARATELY.
SO BEFORE THE MOTION, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A SUBJECT BEFORE, BEFORE THE MOTION IS ENTED
UH, THE, THE IDEA ABOUT THE, UM, ADDITION TO AT THE GARAGE, UM, IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, TO NOT HAVE THE SECOND FLOOR, THE PORT, THE PORCH, THE COVER AND THE POSTS.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN INSTEAD THAT, THAT THAT PIECE ON THE FIRST
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FLOOR WOULD HAVE A WHAT? JUST A HIP, UH, OR GABLE OVER IT INSTEAD.BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT SEPARATELY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MY ONLY QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION IS, IS I'M AGREEING WITH WHAT THE POSITION OF THE DUPLEX DOOR IS.
I'M JUST REFERRING BACK TO THE GUIDELINES.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SQUARE THOSE TWO THINGS.
UM, WELL, I THINK SINCE THEY HAVE KIND OF PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE THINK IS ACCEPTABLE, WE'RE JUSTIFIED IN SAYING WE WANT THEM TO KEEP THE DOOR AND LET THEM HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
I JUST WANNA STATE THAT SO HE, THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD.
WHAT, WHAT DID THE GUIDELINES SAY ABOUT THE DOOR ON FRONT ROMAN? I, I, I GUESS THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE EXACTLY WHAT THE CHAIR, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHERE DOORS ON A DUPLEX WORDING FROM THE GUIDELINES WHEN CONVERTING A DUPLEX WITH TWO FRONT DOORS TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE THE TREATMENT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY A DUPLEX OR NOT.
AND THEN FURTHER PRESERVE BOTH DOORS ON A DUPLEX WHEN THEY'RE ORIGINAL, RETAIN BOTH FRONT DOORS.
ONE MAY BE MADE INOPERABLE FOR SOME REASON.
THERE'S ANOTHER POINT RIGHT AFTER THAT THAT SAYS, ALTERNATIVELY REPLACE ONE OF THE DOORS WITH A WINDOW AND LEAVE THE OTHER DOOR AS IS.
UH, IT GOES ONE MORE STEP THERE.
LET ME READ THAT WITH ONE STEP SO I DON'T MISS ANY OF IT.
A PREVIOUSLY ALTERED FRONT ENTRY MAY BE RESTORED, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO I WANT TO COMMENT ON ONE THING, JUST AS A FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
SOMETIMES WE CALL A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND HOUSES OR A LOT OF HOUSES IN THIS GENERAL GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF THE CITY DUPLEXES.
AND IN MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, SOMETIMES THEY WERE NOT EVER DUPLEXES.
THEY HAD TWO FRONT DOORS AND TWO BACK DOORS, BUT THEY SHARED A BATHROOM AND KITCHEN IN THAT RESIDENCE.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE REASON THAT WAS DONE IN THE EARLY PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS DUE TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION WHEN THE FEDERAL HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, WROTE IN DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT IF DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE A ROOM THAT WAS RENTABLE IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY BUILT, THEY WERE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THE LOANS GUARANTEED.
AND SO YOU SEE THEM ALL OVER, ALL OVER.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT A SANDBORN AND WE SEE A TRUE DUPLEX, LIKE THE ONE ON STUA WOOD AND OTHERS, OR A RECENT APPLICATION WHERE IT WAS A BRICK DUPLEX AND IT HAD TWO SIDE SIDE WALL DOORS.
TRUE DUPLEX WITH THE DIVIDING WALL.
I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE HERE SAYS WHEN CONVERTING A DUPLEX WITH TWO FRONT DOORS.
AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN THEY WROTE THIS, THEY WERE THINKING OF THAT.
AND I'M NOT OFFERING A SOLUTION.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
I WOULD STATE THAT THE CURRENT USE HAS BEEN SINGLE FAMILY.
IT'S NOT BEING CONVERTED FROM A DUPLEX TO A SINGLE FAMILY.
I MEAN, THE DOOR IS JUST A DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC TO ME.
AND THERE'S NO PROOF BEEN PRESENTED THAT THIS WAS MULTIFAMILY AT SOME POINT WHEN IT WAS BUILT, NOT CONVERTED TO AND THEN CONVERT IT BACK.
BUT IS THE PROPOSAL TO, TO CHANGE THE DOOR TO A WINDOW THAT IS LIKE THE SILL IS WAIST TIGHT OR CAN THE DOOR HAVE BE CHANGED TO A WINDOW THAT IS THE FULL HEIGHT, LIKE A DOOR? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE THAT LEAVES THE FRONT DOOR AS IS.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW RIGHT NOW.
MY, MY PROPOSAL WAS TO KEEP THE TWO FRONT DOORS AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE BUMP OUT.
I THINK COMMISSIONER BLAKE WAS JUST ASKING WHAT THEIR, THEIR PROPOSAL HAD BEEN THOUGH.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOUR COURT QUESTION WAS.
ON PAGE 15, THERE'S A DRAWING OF WHAT'S PROPOSED, WHICH SHOWS THE WINDOW APPARENTLY AT THE SAME SILL HEIGHT AS THE, UH, ADJACENT ONES ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S, I DUNNO, I I THINK THAT BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST HEARD IT YES.
THE, THE LINE THAT WAS CITED, UM, AS A HISTORIAN, I GET LIKE MY EARS PICK UP WHEN SOMEONE CITES LIKE A TEXT, RIGHT? THE LINE THAT WAS CITED SAID IT'S ACCEPTABLE IF I AM PARAPHRASING TO HAVE A WINDOW REPLACE THE DOOR.
BUT I THINK THAT DOES NOT MEAN A WINDOW WITH A SILL HEIGHT, A WAIST HEIGHT SILL.
IT COULD BE A FIXED PANEL THAT IS SERVES FUNCTIONALLY AS A WINDOW BUT RESEMBLES VISUALLY THE DOOR, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD STILL RECALL THE OLD DOOR WITHOUT HAVING TO ACTUALLY BE A DOOR LIKE A DIGITAL CAMERA WITH AN ADVANCED LEVER.
SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY, PERHAPS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S PROPOSED AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE IF THEY WANTED TO DO A, A FRENCH THROW, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT'D BE A
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DIFFERENT PROJECT.ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER YAPP? NO.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO KEEP BOTH DOORS? YES.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
THERE'S BEEN A LONG DISCUSSION SINCE THE, SINCE THE SECOND.
OPPOSED? ALL ANYONE? ABS AVA ALSO OPPOSES.
AND ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, THE NEXT, UM, MOTION FOR THE GARAGE.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM D THREE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE, WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM D FIVE.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRS AND CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY.
I SUBMIT ITEM D FIVE AT 76 15 MONT GLEN IN GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A NON-CONTRIBUTING AMERICAN RANCH STYLE RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1963.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION ONLY, AND REPLACED WITH NUDE DOUBLE PANE VINYL WINDOWS.
THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE CAUSING MOISTURE TO OCCUR AND ARE NOT ENERGY EFFICIENT.
THE POSITION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FACES WEST AND RECEIVES DIRECT HARSH SUNLIGHT IN THE AFTERNOON.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE WINDOW SOLUTION, BUT SHE FEELS SHE HAS EXHAUSTED ALL OPTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN HER FINANCIAL PARAMETERS.
THE APPLICANT, MS. POPE, IS A SINGLE RETIRED WOMAN WITH LIMITED INCOME.
THE ESTIMATE FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENTS FROM WINDOW WORLD IS WITHIN THE APPLICANT'S ECONOMICAL BOUNDARIES AND FEELS THE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE ARE NOT WITHIN HER BUDGET OR WOULD NOT MEET HER NEEDS.
SO SHE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT I CAN READ ON HER BEHALF.
THIS LETTER CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON PAGE 16 OF THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, I CAN PROCEED AND READ THE LETTER NOW, OR SHOULD I WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO OPENS HER WORDS I'LL THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, SO YOU MAY READ OKAY.
DEAR MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, I HOPE THIS LETTER FINDS YOU WELL.
I'M WRITING TO FORMALLY REQUEST THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT WINDOWS IN MY HOME, LOCATED AT 76 15 MON GLEN HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 6 1.
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, I HAVE OBSERVED SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT WINDOWS THAT HAVE COMPROMISED THE COMFORT AND SAFETY OF MY LIVING SITUATION.
FIRSTLY, THE WINDOWS ARE QUITE OLD AND HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY INEFFECTIVE AT INSULATING MY HOME.
IN THE SUMMERTIME, THE FRONT OF MY HOME RECEIVES DIRECT HEAT FROM THE SUN.
THIS ALSO INCREASES MY ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION AND MY BILL FOR RUNNING MY ELECTRICITY TO KEEP MY HOME COOL.
DURING THE COLDER MONTHS, I HAVE NOTICED A SUBSTANTIAL DROP IN INDOOR TEMPERATURE LEADING TO INCREASED HEATING COSTS AND GENERAL DISCOMFORT.
THE POOR INSULATION IS EVIDENT THROUGH THE DRAFTS THAT CAN BE FELT IN MY HOME FROM THE SINGLE PANE WINDOWS IN THE WINTERTIME.
ADDITIONALLY, DUE TO THE WINDOWS, MOISTURE ACCUMULATING AND LEAKING DURING THESE PERIODS CAUSED ME TO BE CONCERNED AS TO THE POSSIBLE DAMAGE TO THE INTERIOR WALLS AND WINDOW SILLS.
I HAVE PLACED TOWELS IN MY WINDOW SILLS TO CATCH THE MOISTURE, WHICH FORMS ON THE WINDOWS DUE TO DIFFERENCE IN OUTSIDE VERSUS INSIDE TEMPERATURES.
THIS RAISES MY CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL MOLD GROWTH AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OVER TIME.
DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THESE ISSUES WITH TEMPORARY MEASURES, THE PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS AND HAS BECOME A SIGNIFICANT INCONVENIENCE.
CONSIDERING THESE POINTS, I KINDLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS TO ENSURE A WARM, SAFE AND ENERGY EFFICIENT LIVING SPACE.
I BELIEVE THAT UPGRADING TO NEWER, MORE EFFICIENT WINDOWS WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE COST SAVINGS, AND PROPERTY VALUE.
I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FAVORABLE RESPONSE.
YOURS SINCERELY, FLORIAN POPE.
AND WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN, I'LL JUST ASK IF ANYONE ELSE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
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PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.I JUST WONDERED, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, CLIENT, THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT THEY HAD GONE THROUGH ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS WAS THE ENDO WINDOW PLEXIGLASS INSERT DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? IT WAS DISCUSSED AND, UM, COMMISSIONER CURRY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH THAT AS WELL.
UH, COLLECTING ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND SHE FELT THAT IT WAS STILL NOT GONNA MEET THE NEEDS THAT SHE'S TRYING TO, AS FAR AS THE MOISTURE AND SUCH AT HALF THE COST.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF, IF THE ISSUE IS CONDENSATION AND IF THEY DO LET AIR BEHIND IT, THEN MOVING THE, THE THERMAL BARRIER INSIDE WOULD OFF WOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE THE MOISTURE ISSUE BY BY EVERY CONSIDERATION.
I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE ONE.
IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PRODUCT AT HALF THE COST OF REPLACEMENT OF THE HIS CHARACTER DEFINING HISTORIC MATERIAL.
SO WHAT DO WE DO IN THIS SITUATION? I MEAN, THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I I DON'T THINK IT'S HARD.
I I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT PRODUCT THAT DO JUST THAT WITH SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS.
UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IF WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND SHE CHOOSES NOT TO, TO TRUST THAT INFORMATION OR BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION, THEN WE JUST DENY IT'S COME UP.
SHE JUST HEARD EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST HEARD, UH, A LITTLE WHILE AGO TODAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S RUSHED AND I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN PREFERABLE TO, UH, FOR HER TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS.
ALL OUR OPTIONS, INCLUDING THAT ONE A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY.
BUT I MEAN, THERE IS NOT, THIS WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA AND THIS WAS HER CHOICE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT BEFORE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAD BEEN TRYING TO DO A GREAT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL WINDOW DISTRIBUTORS, UM, TRYING TO GET QUOTES, BUT SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS UNTIL EARLIER TODAY, AND SINCE IT WAS ALREADY COMING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION, UM, SHE FELT THAT SHE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND TRY.
UM, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER COMPANY.
UM, AND YES, THE OTHER I THINK WE SHOULD INSERT OPTION.
SHE WAS JUST GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS TODAY.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT OPTION TO CONSIDER IS DEFERRAL.
DEFERRAL SO THAT IT CAN BE CONSIDERED A LITTLE MORE FULLY.
FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE PRICING, UM, FOR THIS, UM, INSERT OPTION JUST CAME IN THIS MORNING.
SO SHE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO, IF THE APPLICANT IS LISTENING OR SO IT'S ON THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHAIR HICK AND I HAD A CHANGE.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN INTERESTING, THIS IS ANOTHER
BUT THIS IS, THIS ONE'S DIFFERENT JUST FOR ALL THOSE WHO'VE MAY WEARY THE ISSUE.
UM, IN THAT COULD SHE ASK, SHE ASKED FOR PERMISSION IN THAT? YEAH.
AND THAT SHE KNEW SHE NEEDED TO, UM, YEAH.
FIND OUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE.
AND SHE DID FIND OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THAT LETTER THAT SHE'S, THAT IS OSTENSIBLY FROM HER, BUT I, I THINK SHE'S COMPLETELY CLEAR ON THE ISSUES.
AND I, AND SHE REPRESENTED TO US THAT SHE RECOGNIZES THIS IS THESE WINDOWS AS HISTORIC, THAT SHE DIDN'T USE THE TERM CHARACTER TO DEFINE 'EM, BUT SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE.
AND THE BRICK AND THE MORTAR, UM, IN, IN CONCERT WITH THE STONE PAIRS OF STONE COLUMNS, THIS IS, THIS IS CLASSIC GLENBROOK VALLEY.
SO, AND IT'S EXTREMELY ORIGINAL CONDITION ON THE EXTERIOR, PROBABLY THE INTERIOR TOO.
AND IT'S EXTREMELY WELL MAINTAINED.
SO, SO SHE SAYS YES TO ALL THOSE THINGS.
SHE'S ALSO CONFIRMED WHAT, WHAT WE THOUGHT WE SAW ON SITE, WHICH IS THAT IT'S NOT A MOISTURE INFILTRATION ISSUE.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY CRUDELY COCKED ON THE PERIMETERS.
BUT EVEN AT THAT, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY SIGNS OF RAIN COMING THROUGH THE WINDOWS.
IT, IT'S, SHE SAID THAT IT'S CONDENSATION, UM, SWEATING ISSUE AND THAT APPEARS TO BE THE ISSUE.
WELL THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION WAS HAVE IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL, UH, OPINIONS OR IF PETE STOCKTON HAS BEEN OUT THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THAT THAT COULD NOT BE THE DAMAGE REPAIRED? THE DAMAGE, THE DAMAGE THAT'S MOST LIKELY OF THE CONDENSATION OVER TIME? THE DAMAGE THAT'S MOST LIKELY TO BE DONE IS YANKING OUT THESE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
WHICH WERE NOT MADE TO BE YANKED OUT OF THEIR, UH, MASONRY SURROUND.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT DAMAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE RISK IS.
I I, I JUST, AGAIN, ON THE RECORD, WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE MRS. POPE TO ORDER ONE OF THESE ENDO INSERTS AND TRY IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS,
'CAUSE THEY ARE RE REMARKABLE IN, IN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THIS UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAS CAN, CAN EVALUATE.
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THIS, THESE NEW OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY, I'D SECOND WITH A QUESTION TO SOMEONE, WHICH IS WHAT ARE HER OPTIONS IF, IF WE VOTE TO DEFER THIS TODAY? UM, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON.UH, I'VE BEEN HELPING KARA WITH THIS, UH, APPLICATION AND, UM, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HER, SHE WOULD NOT LIKE TO DEFER, UM, OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE ARE EXHAUSTING.
JUST SO YOU GUYS HAVE A CLARIFICATION, IS THAT KARA HAS REACHED OUT TO A COMPANY TO TRY TO GET A, A ALUMINUM WINDOW OPTION.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND I WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I HATE DOING THIS, BUT, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S FINANCING THESE WINDOWS, SO THAT'S WHY THE, UM, RIGHT.
SO, UM, WOULDN'T SAY, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY WON'T WORK.
MAYBE SHE, SO AT A TIME, AND I THINK, AND I BELIEVE KARA HAS REACHED OUT TO COMMISSIONER CURRY TO VERIFY IF THE WINDOW INSERTS WILL OFFER A FINANCING OPTION.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS STAFF THAT WE TRY TO GIVE SOMEONE A COMPARABLE, UM, OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HER, UM, THAT SHE AT LEAST TRY TO SEE IF SHE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND SKIP A DEFERRAL.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THAT OUT THERE.
NOW, CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT? WHAT ARE HER OPTIONS IF WE DEFER TODAY? I MEAN, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HER.
UM, WE ARE REALLY HOPING, I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME.
WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT, UM, ONCE WE GET THE ILLUMINA WINDOW SOLUTION, UH, OR SUGGESTION THAT THAT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT SHE'LL CONSIDER.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR A, UH, DIAMOND PATTERN ALUMINUM WINDOW.
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE NEED TO SEE, BECAUSE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I MAKE THIS CLEAR.
WE DID, THERE WAS AN APPLICANT THAT DID USE THE, UH, WINDOW INSERTS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF SAMANTHA'S PROJECTS.
WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT BACK TO THEM TO SEE HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT BEFORE WE GO AND TELL HER, HEY, LISTEN, WE WANT TO SUGGEST THIS, UH, INSERT TO YOU.
WE HAVE A RESIDENT IN GLEN GLIMMER VALLEY WHO SPEAKS HIGHLY OF IT.
SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOMEONE THAT'S ACTUALLY USED IT SO THAT WE CAN GO TO HER AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, IT COMES HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FROM ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
AND I'LL, I'LL ASK HIM A QUESTION IF I MAY, BECAUSE IF WE DEFER A PROJECT, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY ACTION OTHER THAN IT'S DEFERRED TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I MEAN, YOU CAN DEFER THINGS, YOU CAN REFER SOMETHING TWO TIMES, BUT IF YOU DEFER SOMETHING, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S AN ACTION THE APPLICANT CAN TAKE, UH, UNTIL A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HAS BEEN MADE BY THE COMMISSION.
BUT I I I'LL JUST ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ACT ON OTHER THAN, UH, THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE COURSE.
IT'S, IT JUST SITS HERE FOR A WHILE.
NOW, COULD THE COMMISSION, UM, UM, CALL A SPECIAL MEETING? COULD WE HANDLE IT MORE QUICKLY THAN WAITING A MONTH? THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION ADMINISTRATIVELY.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS WHY SHE WASN'T WANTING TO DEFER, UM, WAS BECAUSE SHE'S TRYING TO GET IT DONE BEFORE BEFORE IT GETS COLD.
WELL, I MEAN, COULD WE ADD A CONDITION IF THE ALTERNATIVE IS DENIAL, AND THEN IF THERE IS A SOLUTION TO BE FOUND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW COAA NEW FEE, A NEW APPLICATION.
I'D LIKE TO TRY AND AVOID THAT.
IF SHE WAS TO DO THESE INSERTS, SHE WOULD NEED A C OF A, CORRECT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, SO ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF SHE, IF IT IS DENIED AND, AND THE ALUMINUM WINDOW IS AVAILABLE AND SHE'S INTERESTED IN GOING THAT ROUTE, SHE WOULD HAVE TO STILL APPLY AGAIN, AGAIN TO DO THAT, TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
JUST TRYING TO AVOID DOING THAT.
COULD WE PUT A CONDITION ON IT THAT IT'S TWO WEEKS AND STUFF A MONTH? THE DEFERRAL.
IF WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND MEET AND HAVE THE, THE ROOM.
I, I, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT IF YOU WANNA DO A DEFERRAL THAT YOU DEFER TO YOUR NEXT MEETING,
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UM, AND WE'LL NOTE ON THE RECORD THAT THAT MIGHT BE BEFORE YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING.CAN YOU GIVE STAFF, STAFF APPROVAL TO THE IN INSERTS ALONG WITH DON'T THE DEFER FOR YEAH, WE DON'T NEED IT FOR THE, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD NEED TO SEE THE, THEN SHE DOESN'T NEED IT.
AND THEN WE JUST DOESN'T MATTER.
VOTE KARA, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IF SHE, I MEAN, KNOW IF SHE HAD, DOES SHE KNOW THAT INFORMATION THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES TO THE INSERT IS, UH, PRODUCT IS THAT SHE, UH, UH, BYPASS THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE KNOWS THAT'S QUESTION IF THAT WAS NOT THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED SINCE IT WAS KIND OF LAST MINUTE.
UM, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY MOVE, MOVE THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT AND THE, UH, OTHER INFORMATION, UM, HOPEFULLY POSITIVE, UH, UH, UH, UH, REPORT FROM, UH, REVIEW FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBOR IN GLENBROOK VALLEY WOULD BE HELPFUL HERE.
AND, AND GOING FORWARD, I THINK IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL.
THIS COMPANY IS NOT BASED IN HOUSTON, BUT THEY DO WORK IN HOUSTON.
IN FACT, THEY TOLD ME THEY'RE DOING WORK IN HOUSTON THIS WEEK.
SO MAYBE WE CAN SEE SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL.
WELL, I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE QUESTION THOUGH.
I WANT, I WANT KICK THIS SIDEWAYS A LITTLE BIT, UH, TERRANCE.
SO THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE HOUSE WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS MADE.
IT'S GOT A REALLY NICE PORCH STRUCTURE USING, UH, FLAGSTONE.
THE BRICK IS VERY, AN INTERESTING SORT OF MODELED BRICK.
IT'S ON IT'S ATYPICAL OF JUST NORMAL BRICK.
UH, AND IT'S BEEN, THE HOME HAS BEEN VERY WELL MAINTAINED.
WE COULD, WE COULD TELL IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME.
AND UNDER THAT ASPECT, UM, LIKE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF TO GET A DECISION MOVING FORWARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING, CAN THE APPLICANT ASK TO CHANGE OUT THE WINDOWS? THE ISSUE IS THEY'RE ALUMINUM AND IN ORDER TO APPEAR TO BE ALUMINUM, IN MY HUMBLE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'D HAVE TO BE ALUMINUM TO APPEAR TO BE SUCH.
SO TO MEET THE ORDINANCE, IF, IF, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS OUT.
THEY'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE WINDOWS OUT IN THE SIDES AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN, UH, AND THOSE ARE VINYL WHITE.
BUT THE, IF THEY WERE TO FIND ONE OF THESE ALUMINUM SOLUTIONS, I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER, ANOTHER OPTION AS WELL IN ALUMINUM.
BUT IF THEY WERE, UM, COULD MATCH THE LIGHT PATTERNS IN TERMS OF THE OPENINGS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE DIAMOND.
UH, PUTTING THAT ASIDE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD RECOMMEND ALLOWING REPLACEMENT FOR ALUMINUM BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING AND BECAUSE THE SOLUTION WOULD BE ALUMINUM AND THE LIGHT PATTERNS WOULDN'T, THE FRAMES WOULDN'T CHANGE.
AND, UM, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THE, UH, WINDOW SUPPLIER THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, WE ASKED FOR TWO DIFFERENT QUOTES FOR THE BAY WINDOW.
WE ASKED FOR THE, UH, PICTURE WINDOWS WITH THE OPERA OPERABLE, THREE PICTURE WINDOWS WITH THE OPERABLE WINDOW ON OUTSIDE OF EACH.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO ASK FOR, UM, DIAMOND PATTERNS IN, IN POSITIONS WHERE THE, IN LOCATIONS WHERE THEY ALREADY ARE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE DIAMOND PATTERN WILL NOT MATCH WHAT'S THE HARLEQUIN THAT THAT IS THERE, BUT IT WILL BE, UM, A DIAMOND PATTERN.
SO SHE'S GONNA PROVIDE US TWO DIFFERENT QUOTES OF THAT.
UM, OUR INITIAL PLAN IN SUGGESTING THAT WAS TO SEE WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE WAS AND TO SEE IF MS. POPE WAS WILLING TO LOOK TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THE DIAMOND PATTERN.
BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD, THAT THE COMMISSION IS WILLING FOR US TO LOOK AT, THEN WE DEFINITELY DO.
WELL, I'M JUST RAISING THIS ISSUE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S ALUMINUM, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE THAT HOURS PREPARED, BUT IT'S STILL, BECAUSE IT'S A DENIAL.
TODAY FROM YOU, YOUR POSITION, IT'S A DENIAL BECAUSE THE APPLICATION IS FOR VITAL REPLACEMENT AND, UM, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL AND DOESN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, ANY, IN ANY WINDOW REPLACEMENT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN HER ENERGY BILL IS, BUT SHE'S LIKELY TO TAKE HER 20 YEARS TO PAY OFF THESE WINDOWS.
IN TERMS OF HER ENERGY CONSUMPTION, THE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE ENDO WINDOW WAS.
WHICH IS A FRACTION OF WHAT THE OTHER COST IS.
AND 6,000 THAT HAS A RE REFLECTIVE, THAT HAS THE SAME REFLECTIVE COATING ON THAT SYSTEM AS DOES A, A, A INSULATED GLASS WINDOW.
SO WITH THE ENDO WINDOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA REFLECT THAT HEAT YES.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA SWEAT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WELL SEALED ENVIRONMENT IN THAT REGARD, WHICH I THINK WHAT, THAT'S MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS THE THING SHE WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND PERCEPTIONS OF SECURITY WITH THE, WITH, WITH THE WINDOWS, BUT RIGHT.
BUT ANOTHER THING THAT, UM, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE
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GREAT PEOPLE OF GLENBROOK VALLEY, THEY'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF THEIR HOUSE.SO THAT'S ONE THING SHE'S ALSO CONSIDERING WITH THAT.
I MEAN, GRANTED, THE MAIN EXCUSE OR THE MAIN REASON, I'M SORRY, THE MAIN REASON SHE'S PROVIDING IS THE CONDENSATION OF THE WINDOWS.
SHE'S ALSO CONSIDERING THE APPEARANCE OF HER HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH AT SOME POINT WERE CAULKED ABSOLUTELY.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE APPEARANCE OF THESE WINDOWS.
I'M SAYING THAT WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE HAS THEIR MIND SET ON, YOU KNOW, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES OF GETTING THE WINDOW QUOTES, THEY OBVIOUSLY PICTURE WHAT THESE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE.
AND NOW WE'RE COMING TO SAY, WELL, HOLD ON A MINUTE.
YOU ARE GONNA KEEP THESE WINDOWS THAT HAVE THIS CAULKING ON THEM, BUT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND A INSERT FOR YOU.
SO THAT'S A HARD FEEL TO SWALLOW.
AND SHE'S ONLY HAD FOUR OR FIVE HOURS TO CHEW ON THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT.
BUT I THINK SHE COULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THEM CLEANED AND ANYTHING TO BENEFIT FROM BEING CLEANED.
BUT I MEAN, LIKE, YEAH, SO WE ALSO, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CURRY HAS REACHED OUT TO DAWSON'S WINDOW SUPPLY TO GET A QUOTE FOR, SO WE'RE WAITING ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE EXHAUSTING AS MANY OPTIONS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO HELP THIS LADY OUT.
SHE'S GONE EVERY, SHE'S GONE ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, SHE HASN'T TRIED TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME BACK AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER, LIKE, LIKE IT'S BEEN STATED.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS FOR HER.
CAN, CAN WE, SO I STILL HEAR THAT THERE IS A MOTION AND THERE IS ALREADY A SECOND.
I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT HHAC MAKE UP SIGNS OF.
AND THANK YOU FOR ANY HOMEOWNER THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T HIRE A WINDOW WORLD FIRST.
SO IF ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL THE VOTE ON THE MOTION.
ALL OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS? SO THE MOTION TO DEFER PASSES.
LET, LET ME ASK MR. CHAIR YES FOR A CLARIFICATION.
DO YOU ALL WANT US TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER MEETING DATE BEFORE YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING? OR JUST DEFER TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING? I, I THINK I WOULD DEFER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK THERE'S, I I'M AWARE OF AT LEAST THREE MOVING TARGETS THAT, THAT HAVE NOT YET SURFACED WITH A, A NUMBER AND I THINK, UM, CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TEST CASE THAT WE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT THE, THE FULL BREADTH OF OUR OPTIONS HERE.
AND, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD, THAT'S YEAH.
AND CAN I ASK THEN THAT YOU LEAVE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN THAT THE MOTION TO DEFER INCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAINING OPEN.
DID YOU CLOSE IT? OH, I CAN CLOSE IT.
YEAH, THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT MEETING.
I THOUGHT I COULD REOPEN THE NEXT, NEXT, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
PEOPLE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO IF WE OPEN THESE AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU DEFER AN ITEM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN, THAT IT HASN'T BEEN CLOSED.
AND THEN DURING DISCUSSION SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, WAIT, LET ME DEFER IT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT COULD BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION EVEN IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH? I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING YOU.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S BEEN RESOLVED, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO IT'S OPEN UNTIL IT'S CLOSED AND IT'S NOT CLOSED.
SO IT'S OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
I FOCUSED JUST, I, I THINK THE, THE MAIN QUESTION IS, IS TODAY YOU'VE MADE A MOTION TO DEFER, THIS ASSUMES IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD REMAIN OPEN SO THAT PEOPLE MAY STILL TALK IF EVERYTHING HASN'T BEEN SORTED THROUGH.
SO DO WE NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DEFERRED? WELL, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION, IS WHERE THAT HAPPENED IN THE YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL.
WE HAVE EITHER, BUT I THINK WITH GENERAL CONSENSUS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN AGREE THAT A MOTION TO DEFER THE MOTION TO DEFER ON THAT EARLIER ITEM INCLUDED THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAINING OPEN.
IF IT WAS CLOSED, WAS IT CLOSED? YES.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, I MEAN, WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO THAT I'M AWARE OF.
BUT YEAH, I THINK GENERALLY WHAT I'M RECALLING IS THAT YOU HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AFTER THE MOTION.
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I, I, OKAY.LET'S LET, LET'S, WELL, LET'S AGREE.
WE'VE, WE'VE DEFERRED THIS APPLICATION TILL NEXT MONTH.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL, UM, OPTIONS THAT ARE GONNA SURFACE.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE, WE WILL RESOLVE THIS NEXT MONTH.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM, UH, D SIX.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DEION.
I SUBMIT ITEM D SIX AT 3 1 5 WEST 13TH STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE 1,426 SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING GABLE FRONT COTTAGE PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1915.
ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2024, THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A COA FOR DEMOLITION OF EXISTING DETACHED, NON-CONTRIBUTING 336 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE FOR A PROPOSED 509 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO STORY ALLEY LOADING GARAGE WITH AN ABOVE 537 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE.
APARTMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MOVE THE GARAGE BUMP OUT TO THE OTHER SIDE CHAIRS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YES.
SO IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PLEASE LOOK AT, I GUESS THE BEST VERSION TO SEE IT AS IS ON PAGE 10 OR 11.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GARAGE IS NOT PERFECT.
UM, SO I HAD SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY TO THE AGENT WHO, UH, TOLD ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS, UH, THE APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE'S HERE.
BUT I DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS.
THEN HE'S, OKAY, WELL, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FIND OUT.
UM, BUT I DO, I HAVE, UM, FOR ROD FRIGO ASSIGNED WRONG ITEM, THAT'S D SEVEN.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S LABELED D SIX.
YOU WANTED TO NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T MIND.
IT'S JUST WRITTEN DOWN THE WRONG NUMBERS ON MY SHEET, THAT'S WHY.
WELL I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOW UNTIL I, IF THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
SO THE ISSUE I THINK FROM STAFF WAS THAT THIS BUMP OUT IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS TWO STORIES, WHICH IS ALSO REALLY NARROW.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S A PROPORTION OF THAT, OF THAT PROPORTION IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. JACKSON AND WHAT THE, SO THE, WAS THE APPLICANT AMENABLE TO THAT OR NOT? SO I WAS NOT SPEAKING TO THE AGENT.
THE AGENT WOULD REALLY LIKE TO NOT AMEND IT BECAUSE HE SAID THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THAT IT WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH THE BATHROOM.
SO STAFF SUGGESTED THAT THE BUMP UP BE MOVED ONTO THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, HE JUST WAS REALLY SET ON THE DESIGN.
UM, SO HE WAS SAID THAT HE WOULD COME HERE TODAY TO, I GUESS, EXPLAIN HIS REASONING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT HERE.
BUT FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT TERRANCE AND I HAD WITH THE AGENT, IT WAS THAT HE WANTED TO KEEP THIS BECAUSE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
SO THIS IS WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TODAY BECAUSE, UH, THEY WERE UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THE DESIGN.
COMMISSIONER, HAVE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
IF, IF WE GO BACK TO PAGE, UH, 12 OF 19.
SO YOU, YOU WANT THE BUMP OUT TO BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE JUST TO HIDE IT, CORRECT? YEAH, CORRECT.
AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING ACTUALLY ELONGATED NOW BECOMES MORE RECTANGULAR OR NOW STILL THE BUMP OUT EXISTS.
I'M GONNA DEFER THIS TO TERRANCE.
SO, SO STAFF'S SUGGESTION WAS FOR HIM TO, IF WE JUST, IF HE MOVED THE BUMP OUT TO PLAN NORTH, WE NECESSARILY DIDN'T CARE HOW HE DID IT.
UM, BUT IT'S, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE.
UM, THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER SITE IN THE, IN THE
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HEIGHTS THAN MOST OTHERS.I BELIEVE THIS SITE IS 4,400 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY HE DESIGNED IT AS SUCH.
UM, SO YES, IF WE, WE JUST REQUESTED THAT HE MOVE THE BATHROOM TO PLAN NORTH FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
AND HE FELT THAT THE WAY IT IS JUST WORKED BETTER FOR HIS DESIGN.
AND SOMETHING TO CLARIFY IS THAT THIS BUILDING IS TECHNICALLY AN INTERIOR LOT, BUT IT IS ON THE CORNER OF THE ALLEY.
SO IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A CORNER LOT, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY AN INTERIOR LOT.
IT'S JUST RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE ALLEY.
SO THAT STREET THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS AN ALLEYWAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST VERY VISIBLE.
WHEN YOU SAY VISIBLE, CAN YOU ELABORATE FROM THE STREET? IS IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? YEAH, IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
THE ALLEYWAY'S PRETTY LARGE, I WOULD SAY, COMPARED TO OTHER ONES THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE HEIGHTS.
UM, 'CAUSE I, I HAD EVEN HAD TO ASK YASMINE TO WHETHER OR NOT TO TECHNICALLY COUNT IT AS A CORNER LOT OR AN INTERIOR LOT, BUT IT IS AN INTERIOR LOT THAT'S JUST SITTING ON THE CORNER OF AN ALLEYWAY.
UM, SO, UH, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO, SO, SO SORRY.
THERE IS A HOUSE THAT IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, UM, IN ONE OF THE PICTURES, I THINK TOWARDS THE, YEAH, THE ONE, THE RED ONE IS LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEYWAY.
SO IT IS JUST QUITE A BIG ALLEYWAY.
I DRIVE AN SUV AND MY CAR COULD FIT REALLY EASILY THROUGH THERE
BUT IF, IF I COULD RESTATE THAT, YOUR OBJECTION IS THAT THE FORM OF THIS VERY NARROW TWO STORY ELEMENT IS FROM A SCALES PERSPECTIVE, NOT TYPICAL OF ANY OTHER BUMP OUT IN THE AREA OF CONTEXT.
IF THAT BUMP OUT INSTEAD OF BEING PERPENDICULAR TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE, WERE TURNED AND FOLDED UP AGAINST IT SO THAT IT WOULD LAY MORE FLAT, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IF YOU MOVED IT TO THE BACK WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IF HE, IF THEY JUST MADE THE RECTANGLE SLIGHTLY BIGGER AND, AND PUT IT IN THE RECTANGLE, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT'S JUST THE ABNORMAL PROPORTIONS OF TRYING TO FIT THIS IN INTO THAT SLOT BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE PORCH IS WHAT I APPEARS TO HAVE CREATED THIS.
UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR VERIFYING THAT BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE THE BUMP OUT, WHEREAS I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT AS AN OPTION WHETHER THE GUY WANTS TO MAKE A BIGGER RECTANGLE OUT OF IT SO IT BECOMES, YOU ACTUALLY GAIN MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIKE THAT, OR JUST MAKE THE GUY MOVE THE, MOVE THE TAIL, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREES.
SO I THINK THAT OPTION SHOULD BE MADE OPEN FOR THEM ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
UNDERSTAND, I, I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE TURNED BASED ON THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE PORCH IN THE ALLEY LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY HE, IT, IT'S, IT'S A WAY THAT HE'S BEING PROPOSED IS HE'S IS, UNLESS IT'S MOVED TO THE REAR IN SOME WAY.
UM, YEAH, IT THAT, BUT I, I THINK YOU ALL CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT JUST DESCRIBES WHAT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER AP YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
THE ONLY REASON IT WAS IN FRONT OF US WAS BECAUSE OF THE BUMP OUT.
SO IF THEY MADE IT A BIGGER RECTANGLE, IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT AS PART OF YEAH, I THINK AT THAT POINT IT WOULD FLOW BACK TO BE AN AA.
IS THE QUESTION IS, I MEAN, HOW THEY RESOLVE IT IS THAT THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS, THE APPLICATION IS BEFORE US THE WAY THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND WE NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER WE ACCEPT IT OR WE DON'T ACCEPT IT OR WE DEFER IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE AND THERE'S CONSENSUS, THAT'S THAT'S ONE DECISION.
IF IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TEST THE WATERS, I BELIEVE HERE.
AND I GUESS FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, THE BIG THING WITH STAFF WAS THAT THERE WAS JUST NOTHING IN THE CONTEXT AREA THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THIS.
SO A QUESTION FOR THIS PROPERTY, THE, THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GARAGE IS FOUR FOOT EIGHT AND A HALF INCHES OFF THE ALLEY PROPERTY LINE.
COULD THEY MOVE THAT CLOSER TO THE ALLEY? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN BUILD RIGHT UP TO AN ALLEY.
UH, I CAN AND UNLESS THERE'S LIKE A CLEARANCE FOR GETTING IN AND OUTTA THE GARAGE OR NOTHING, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A UNUSUAL DISTANCE TO BE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DO WITH IF THERE'S A GARAGE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ALLEY.
SO THEY'VE CHECKED THAT TO FIND OUT THAT'S THE RIGHT CLEARANCE THAT THEY NEED.
'CAUSE THE BUMP OUT COULD TOUCH THE ALLEY.
I THINK THE BUMP OUT COULD TOUCH IT.
I THINK IT, YOU CAN BUILD UP, IT COULD BE CLOSER.
I THINK IT WAS IT FOR ONE THAT HAD THE SAME ISSUE AND IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE GARAGE AT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY GARAGE DOOR.
THEY, THE GARAGE DOORS WERE ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER AND THEY HAD TO BE SET FARTHER
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BACK FROM NOT BEING BUILT ON THE ALLEY TO IT IS, BUT THE RED HOUSE ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY IS ABOUT PAGE EIGHT.THEY HAVE A BIG FENCE WITH A ROLLING GATE.
I MEAN I CERTAINLY WORTH EXPLORING, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME MEASUREMENT STANDARDS THERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW IN SOUTHGATE OR SOUTH HAMPTON, THEY LET THEM BUILD UP TO THE ALLEY IF THEY DO.
'CAUSE THEY GOT THOSE LITTLE NARROW EIGHT FOOT ALLEYS AND SOMEHOW THEY ALL GET TO BUILD UP TO THE ALLEY AS LONG AS THEY DO LIKE A, A DIAGONAL ENTRANCE GARAGE OR SOMETHING.
SO MAYBE HE COULD LOOK INTO SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, I ALWAYS SORT OF UNDERSTOOD THAT CITY HAD SOME REGULATIONS ON ALLEYS BECAUSE ONES I'VE DONE, I'VE HAD, THERE'S A MINIMUM SETBACK AND IT DOES DEPEND ON WHETHER THERE'S SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING LEGAL, YOU KNOW, CAN LOOK AT IN TERMS OF IF THERE'S A CODE ISSUE THEY TORE DOWN.
I MEAN THIS, THIS IS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WELL, IN TERMS OF LIKE IF, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S AN OVERLAY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY FOR ALLEYS, THAT'D BE MY QUESTION.
BECAUSE WHOEVER, WHEN I'VE WORKED ON THE, THE HOW CLOSE THE GARAGE DOOR TO THE ALLEY CAN BE WAS REGULATED.
BUT I'VE HEARD IT'S LIKE EITHER 20 OR 24 FEET TO THE OTHER SIDE THAT THAT'S IT'S, AND I DON'T, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 25 FEET, BUT IT'S SEEMS LIKE FROM GARAGE DOOR TO GARAGE DOOR ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY, IT NEEDS TO 2020.
THEY ALWAYS GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT AMOUNT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 24, BUT THEN THEY SAY, OH, 20 IS OKAY TOO.
WELL, I THINK THIS, YEAH, 24 IS BASED ON THE NONDEGREE PARKING, I BELIEVE ORDINANCE.
BUT THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE IN TERMS OF SIDING AND PLANNING BOTH FLOORS, IT'S SOMEWHAT UNRESOLVED AND, AND SOMEWHAT UNACCEPTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING DENYING IT AND HAVING IT COME BACK IN A MORE RESOLVED MANNER INSTEAD OF, BUT IF IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THEN IT, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD JUST LET 'EM WORK IT OUT.
AND THEN I GUESS THAT'S OKAY TOO IF THAT'S CONSENSUS.
IF WE DON'T LIKE THIS BUMP OUT THING AND THEN JUST GIVE THEM THE MANDATE TO SAY NO MORE BUMP OUT.
THE MANDATE TO SAY WHAT, NO MORE, NO MORE BUMP OUT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED YET.
WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS RELOCATING THE BUMP AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THAT COULD MEAN IN THE BACKYARD BEHIND THE BEDROOM.
THAT WOULD BE OKAY, I SUPPOSE.
CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION? I SECOND IT.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SORRY.
I FEEL THAT THAT IS TOO RESTRICTIVE.
UH, JUST TELLING SOMEBODY TO MOVE IT AND I THINK AS OPPOSED TO GIVING THE PERSON THE OPTION TO BILL OUT THE RECTANGULAR SECTION BIGGER, SO MY, MY SUGGESTION WILL BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT NO, NO BUMP OUT EXISTS NOW.
AND THEN LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.
WHY ARE WE FORCING THE BUMP OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE? WELL, IN FAIRNESS, LIKE IF, IF, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A MOTION, UM, WELL, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE? MAY, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? PLEASE, YES.
IF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS UNDER 600 SQUARE FOOT, THIS CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
SO THEY NEED, THEY WORK WITH US FOR A DESIGN THAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE HERE WHERE WE FELT THAT THE BUMP OUT DID NOT, DID NOT FIT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE ASKED THEM TO REDESIGN, THEY SAID NO.
SO WE SAID WE'LL GO TO COMMISSION.
AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE TO DEFEND THEIR CASE, BUT THIS DOES MEET CRITERIA FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
IF THEY, UH, WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, CAN I SUGGEST TO ATE THE MOTION, AMEND TO INCLUDE THE WORDS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL? WELL, I, SO I'M, I'M, I'M ACCEPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND, AND I, NO, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE CARES IF THEY MOVE THE BUMP OUT OR MAKE IT A RECTANGULAR OR WHATEVER.
SO LONG AS IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, STAFF WILL APPROVE IT.
I MEAN THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION.
BUT IF IT WERE TO EXCEED THE SI, IF THEY MADE IT BIGGER AND IT EXCEEDS, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT, IT THEN WOULD COME BACK TO US.
THAT'S SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THE WORDS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IN THE MOTION.
THEN IT STANDS AS IT'S, WE HAVE A SECOND E EON.
THE PRIMARY REASON OF THE OBJECTION WAS THE WEIRD SHAPE.
RIGHT? THE BUMP OUT SHAPE FROM THE WEIRD SHAPE FROM THE VIEWING IT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF IT'S BEHIND THE STRUCTURE OR IF IT'S DONE SOME OTHER WAY, THEN IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IT'S NOT NO LONGER REGULATED.
I, I MEAN I I'M WITH YOU COMMISSIONER Y IT ISN'T LIKE, I THINK IT'S TOO
THEY, THEY COULD MAKE IT, UH, I I WOULD JUST LIKE THEM TO MAKE IT MEET AN AA REQUIREMENT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT.
AND SO I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST
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SAY TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO, UM, THAT YOU APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER YOU LEAVE, YOU LEAVE, UM, HOW, HOW THE APPROVAL IS MADE FOR THE, THAT PROPORTION TO STAFF TO MAKE, HOWEVER, SO THAT IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO TAKING THIS BLOCK AND PUTTING IT IN THIS SPOT THAT, BUT AS LONG AS IT CAN BE, UM, IF THAT CAN BE, IF THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED OR MOVED PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN BE THE JUDGE AND JURY OF THAT.BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE AN AA ALL AROUND IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO US.
BE AA AND, AND, AND, AND SO MY, WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU HEARD ME SAY WAS INCORRECT.
WHAT I REALLY SAID WAS MY MOTION IS FOR AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITION THAT THE OWNER WORKED WITH STAFF FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF THIS STRUCTURE.
SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT HAVE A BUMP OUT ON THE STREET FACING SIDE, VISIBLE FROM VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR THE ALLEYWAY.
ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION PASSES.
SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7 9 2 7 WEST COTTAGE STREET.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE CONSULTING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
JUST ASK THE CHAIR TO TAKE THAT OUT OF ORDER.
CHAIR, WE REQUEST THAT WE RATHER CONSIDER, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. THAT'S THE 1145 HARVARD BEFORE 9 27.
IF WE CAN GO AND CONSIDER ITEMS D NINE AND D 10 PLEASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NEXT CONSIDER ITEMS NINE AND 10 AT 1 1 4 5 HARBOR STREET.
IS THERE A MOTION? OH, IS THERE A SECOND? I'M NOT.
CAN I MAKE A, I CAN MAKE A MOTION, I THINK.
PARDON? NO, I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK FOR A WELL, OKAY.
WELL, I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, I THINK I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE AN AGENDA.
I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T, I I THINK TECHNICALLY THE CHAIR MAY MOVE AN ITEM WITHOUT THE COMMISSION'S ACTION.
HOWEVER, YOU MAY ALSO ASK FOR A MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER COSGROVE IS GONNA RECUSE HIMSELF FOR THESE ITEMS NINE AND 10.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON AL.
TODAY I CONS I PRESENT TO YOU TO CONSIDER ITEM D 9 11 45 HARVARD STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS 1 1 2 EAST 12TH STREET IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING CONTEMPORARY STYLE HOUSE BUILT IN 1997.
THERE IS A PROPOSED EXTENSIVE ALTERATIONS TO THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING AS PLUS A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION.
WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES IS TO REMOVE TWO FRONT ENTRANCE DOORS AND REPLACE WITH ONE FRONT ENTRANCE STORE AND A SIDELIGHT.
REMOVE THE SQUARE VENTS IN THE FRONT AND REAR FACING GABLES AND REPLACE WITH A MATCHING SIDING, WHICH IS FISH SCALE SCALLOPED IN THOSE FRONT GABLES AND REAR REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.
REPLACE THE SKIRTING BETWEEN THE PIERS WITH, UH, SQUARE, REMOVE THE EXISTING SIDING.
REPLACE WITH COVE DUTCH TRUE EXTERIOR SIDING.
THE REAR ADDITION IS ONE STORY.
THE OTHER WILL TO HAVE VERTICAL SMOOTH SIDING WITH A V GROOVE PROFILE AND A SEVEN INCH REVEAL.
ALSO ON THE NON CONSTRUING STRUCTURE.
REMOVE THE CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT ELEVATION, EXTEND THE ATTIC SPACE TOWARDS THE REAR.
PLEASE SEE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS CREATE NEW WIN WINDOW OPENINGS ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS.
REMOVE AND REPLACE THE EXISTING EXISTING WINDOWS.
ALL WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED WILL BE A MIX OF CASEMENT AND FIXED WITH A MIX OF SINGLE AND ONE OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERNS STAFF IN THE COMMISSION, I MEAN, COMMISSION MEMBERS AND CHAIRPERSON STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL PROPOSED CASEMENT AND PICTURE WINDOWS BE EITHER SINGLE HUNG OR DOUBLE HUNG THAT MATCHED THE LIGHT PATTERN AND STYLE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR THAT OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
THE OWNER, ANDERS HYDE, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL AS WE HAVE JESSE HUNT, WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ARCHITECT TEAM THAT IS LOCATED IN AUSTIN.
AS WELL, WE HAVE DAVID EDGAR, WHO IS THE CONTRACTOR BUILDER FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AS MENTIONED.
AND THE FIRST SPEAKER IS ANDREAS HYDE.
YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
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MY NAME IS ANDRES HYDE AND I'M THE OWNER OF 1145 HARVARD, ALSO KNOWN AS 1 1 12 EAST 12TH STREET.UM, TO BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. ENTAL AND THE STAFF FOR THEIR SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE MADE NUMEROUS, UH, CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WITH THEIR GUIDANCE.
AND DESPITE SOME OF THE PAIN, IT'S, UH, YIELDED WHAT WE THINK IS A BETTER END PRODUCT.
UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, WE ARE PURSUING WITH THREE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES.
FIRST IS TO ENABLE OUR, UH, GROWING FAMILY TO HAVE SPACE.
UM, ONE OF WHOM IS HERE TODAY WITH MY WIFE.
UH, THE SECOND IS OBVIOUSLY TO HONOR THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE'RE IN WITH THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE.
AND THE THIRD IS TO MEET, UM, A PASSIVE HOUSE OR FIAS CERTIFICATION, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD BE THE FIRST HOUSE IN THE HEIGHTS TO DO THIS.
UM, SO, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE LEARNED A LOT.
ONE OF THE KEY THINGS FOR US IS, UM, ENSURING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, HIGH PERFORMANCE, UM, INSULATION, UH, CONTINUOUS INSULATION THAT WE HAVE AN AIRTIGHT BUILDING, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE HIGH PERFORMANCE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
SO THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE KEY OBJECTIVES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE FIA CERTIFICATION.
UH, THAT HAS LED TO THE DECISION TO HAVE THE CASE MANAGER FIXED WINDOWS GIVEN THE PERFORMANCE.
WITH THAT SAID, AGAIN, WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, UM, WE ABSOLUTELY DO WANT TO REFLECT THE STYLE OF, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THEREFORE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AESTHETICALLY MIRRORING, UH, THAT STYLE WHILE STILL, UH, MAINTAINING THE FUNCTIONALITY, UH, OF, OF THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE HIGHER PERFORMANCE OF THESE CASEMENT WINDOWS.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, AT THE END OF THIS.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, JUST WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU STATED.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS OR WHAT APPEAR TO BE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT MEET YOUR CRITERIA? PRECISELY.
IT WOULD BE CASEMENT WINDOWS, BUT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A MUNTON, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CORRECT ARCHITECTURAL TERM, UM, THAT WOULD, WOULD MIRROR, UM, A, A DOUBLE HUNG, UH, WINDOW.
AND I BELIEVE IN THE PRESENTATION DECK.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, UH, AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
OUR ARCHITECTURE FIRM HAS DONE EXACTLY THIS IN OTHER, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH CONTRIBUTING HOUSES.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY WON SUSTAINABILITY AWARDS, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO THIS WOULD ROUGHLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THIS WOULD BE ROUGHLY WHAT, WHAT THE AESTHETIC WOULD BE WITH OUR WINDOWS.
UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AS MENTIONED IS JESSE HUNT.
UM, I THINK HONORS SAID A LOT OF IT PRETTY WELL, BUT, UM, WE BUILT THE FIRST OF ITS KIND PASSIVE HOUSE PROJECT HERE IN HOUSTON LAST YEAR.
UH, DAVID AND I, YOU'LL HEAR HIM FROM HIM AS WELL.
UH, PERFORMANCE, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS LIKE ONE OF THE LARGEST GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AIR TIGHTNESS IS HOW THAT IS ACHIEVED.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, INSTALLATION COMES THEREAFTER.
SO WE NEED HIGH PERFORMANCE WINDOWS IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, AIR TIGHTNESS CODE HERE IS FIVE AACH 50.
THAT'S FIVE AIR CHANGES PER HOUR AT 50 PASCALS OF PRESSURE.
THE PASSIVE HOUSE STANDARD IS 0.6, SO WE CAN'T REACH A NUMBER LIKE THAT.
AND PERFORMANCE GOALS THAT WE HAVE WITHOUT VERY AIRTIGHT WINDOWS.
UH, THE, THE HOME THAT WE BUILT LAST YEAR TESTED AT 0.36, SO WE'RE VERY CAPABLE AS BUILDERS.
I'M ALSO REPRESENTING THE ARCHITECT, DAVID'S BUILDER.
UM, BUT WE JUST ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, SORT OF LIKE A TEAM EFFORT HERE.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST, UH, AESTHETICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAY PERSON FROM THE STREET IS GONNA SEE THAT THESE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THEY DID OR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORING ARCHITECTURE.
BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE THESE HIGH PERFORMANCE GOALS.
I I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MENTION THAT WE ARE SENDING SOME PRECEDENT HERE, UM, BECAUSE THIS WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME CODE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR HOUSTON TO ADOPT A CODE LIKE THIS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE AREAS ON THE EAST COAST, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE PASSIVE HOUSE IS BECOMING CODE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, MEETING AIR TIGHTNESS GOALS WHILE ALSO MEETING AESTHETIC GOALS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT EFFORT.
I'LL JUST MISS STATE, UM, MANY PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING HERE WITH ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE ADDING INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS MM-HMM
UH, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE SWEATING.
I MEAN, IT'S A BENEFIT, BUT THE AIR TIGHTNESS IS BEING ACHIEVED WITH INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS.
UM, I'M AWARE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS ALMOST DESTROYED BY IKE AND WAS PUT PUT, YOU KNOW, PICKED BACK OUTTA THE GROUND, TRUCKED ACROSS TOWN, KEPT ALL THE WINDOWS, BUT ADDED INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS.
IT WAS A LEAD GOLD PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO.
DIFFERENT STANDARD, BUT, BUT I DO KNOW OF
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MANY PROJECTS RIGHT NOW GOING ON WITH ADDING INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS IN ADDITION TO A, A WINDOW TO ACHIEVE THAT AIR TIGHTNESS.BUT DO YOU KNOW IF AIR TIGHTNESS TESTING DONE ON THOSE PROJECTS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE PROJECTS WERE BEING TESTED AGAINST THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WERE STATING, BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE, UM, UH, FOR, AT LEAST FOR STORE HOMES, THERE ARE, UM, PROVISIONS IN THE ENERGY CODE THAT ALLOW FOR THE STORE HOMES TO EXIST NONETHELESS.
BUT I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT'S ONE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER AVENUE TO GET ADDITIONAL AIR TIGHTNESS IS INTERIOR STORM WINDOW.
AND JUST IT'S, UH, IN THE PASSIVE HOUSE WORLD, UM, WE JUST KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT SLIDES IS GOING TO WEAR OUT AND GOING TO HAVE AIR LEAKAGE.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR GASKETS TO BE COMPRESSED, WHICH IS WHY WE CHOOSE WINDOWS OF THIS TYPE GENERALLY AS A HIGH PERFORMANCE WINDOW.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT, RIGHT.
UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO ACHIEVE, THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE CHOOSING A MUNTON.
UM, IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE THINKS THAT THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE OR FAR ENOUGH, MAYBE WE COULD EXPLORE ANOTHER OPTION.
BUT, UM, FOR NOW WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THERE'S PRECEDENT IN THIS OTHER PROJECT THAT'S IN YOUR SLIDE DECK.
UM, IT WAS GIVEN PRESERVATION AWARDS AND, UM, I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE STREET PERSONALLY ON THAT PROJECT, SO SURE.
I'M ALSO FAMILIAR WITH FIXED WINDOWS THAT APPEAR TO BE A DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOW BECAUSE THE LOWER SASH IS INSET AND RESET OR RE RECESSED, BUT IT DOESN'T OPEN.
AND SO THERE, THERE IS NO AIR MOVEMENT PERIOD.
THEY'RE MORE IN A COMMERCIAL DOMAIN, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S TYPICALLY, IT'S THE COMMISSION DOES TRY TO GET THE LOWER SASH TO BE RECESSED APPEARING, EVEN IF IT'S A FIXED WINDOW AND IT WON'T OPEN SO THAT IT APPEARS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A A SIMILAR WINDOW TO THE DISTRICT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR DETAILS, OUR WINDOW DETAILS, YOU'LL SEE RECESS IS THAT ARE THE SAME? SURE.
AND MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
SINCE, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE FOCUSED ON IT AND YOU'RE CLAIMING RELEVANCE TO THIS PROJECT, PAGE 17 OF 21, IT'S THAT, UH, PHOTO OF AN EXISTING HOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S IN AUSTIN, TEXAS WITH THE DOG ON THE PORCH.
SO THAT'S A, YOU'RE SHOWING THE MONTON THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED ON THE TRIPLE PANE FIXED WINDOW.
WHO, WHOSE PRODUCT IS THAT, BY THE WAY? WHAT COMPANY? UH, THOSE ARE MARVIN WINDOWS, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND, AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE? IT'S A GOOD PICTURE, BUT IT'S, BUT I CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT OUT.
I MEAN, IS THE FIRST THING I SEE A PANE OF GLASS, IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT MONTON BEHIND GLASS OR IS THAT MONTON AT GLASS? UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROTRUDING.
IT'S, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE GLASS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO, SO WHAT I, WHAT I SHOULD BE SEEING IS A BARE MONTON WITH A PIECE OF GLASS ABOVE IT, AND THEN MAYBE LOWER THAT PIECE OF GLASS, SEPARATE PIECE OF GLASS IS SET BACK.
UH, I BELIEVE THE GLASS IS IN ONE PANE ON BOTH SIDES.
SO YOU, BUT YOU THINK IT'S BEHIND THE MOUNTAIN.
SAY AGAIN? IT'S BEHIND THE MOUNTAIN.
THE, THE MU BELIEVE IS IN FRONT OF THE GLASS.
I'M JUST TRYING IN FRONT OF THE GLASS.
IT'S, THERE'S ATON ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GLASS SENSE THE OUTSIDE, I BELIEVE ON THE OUTSIDE FACING THE STREET.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND YOU SEE THESE FALSE MOUNTAINS THAT ARE EITHER, WELL, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS.
BUT I THINK THAT THE LOWER GLASS IS NOT RECESSED.
THE UPPER GLASS, IT'S THE GLASS IS GONNA BE IN THE SAME PAN OR THE SAME PLANE I SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MIX THOSE TWO WORDS UP.
UH, BUT YEAH, THE GLASS IS IN ONE PANE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRIPLE PANE GLASS, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM FRAME TO FRAME THE SAME, THE SAME UNIT.
SO THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE BILL IN 1997.
WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE 1920 THAT VIOLATES WHATEVER THE THING IS I ALWAYS BRING UP THAT SAYS, TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S FROM A DIFFERENT TIME.
LIKE THEY COULD PUT A SINGLE PANE GLASS IN THERE.
AND TO ME IT WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDS NEEDS BE PAIN KEEPING WITH THE CONTEXT AREA.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THESE TWO PARAMETERS WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE AN EXACT MATCH, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE, I MEAN, IT ALSO IS, BUT THIS DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A VICTORIAN HOUSE.
THE PROPORTIONS ARE ALL WRONG.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A MCMANSION VERSION OF VICTORIAN HOUSE.
SO I, I SAY LET HIM DO WHATEVER WINDOWS HE WANTS TO GET HIS, HIS, HIS ENERGY RATINGS OR WHATEVER HE IS TRYING TO DO.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR THIS HOUSE.
IF IT WAS A REAL HISTORIC HOUSE, THAT'D BE DIFFERENT.
BUT THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE BUILT IN 1997.
BUT EVEN NON CONTRIBUTING HOUSES HAVE RULES FOR WINDOWS.
PROPORTIONS AND APPEARANCE, WHICH, WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME AS FOR CONTRIBUTING.
BUT THERE ARE, I MEAN WE, AND JASON, YOU MIGHT STATE
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THO THOSE CRITERIA.IT SAYS, WHAT ARE THE RULES AND THE CRITERIA FOR NOT CONTRIBUTING, IF IT'S MORE THAN 67%, IT'LL BE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION WITH ALL THE ACCUMULATED ALTERATIONS THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS MORE THAN 67% ROOF, WINDOWS, DOORS, SIDINGS, NEW OPENINGS, EXTENDING REAR ADDITION.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU TODAY.
BUT SPECIFICALLY THE WINDOW RULES IS, THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
THAT'S ONLY THING STAFF OBJECTING TO IS THE WINDOWS.
IF YOU BUILD LIKE A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE, LIKE THERE WAS SOME MODERN ONES IN THE HEIGHTS AND THEY HAD SINGLE PANE WINDOWS THAT THEY HAD DIDN'T HAVE HISTORIC LOOKING, THIS AND THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE ON ALSTON.
I THINK THAT WHAT AN ARCHITECTURAL AWARD.
AND SO THIS HOUSE IS NOT HISTORIC.
IT, IT DOESN'T, TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT MATTERS.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD ARGUE ISN'T A NEW CONS.
THE DESIGN IS A, A MORE CLASSIC DESIGN.
IT'S NOT A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
AND SO, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING THE MONTHS IN TO MAKE IT LOOK DIVIDED.
I, I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S ENOUGH OF A GESTURE.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING.
EVEN, EVEN IN A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN, WHETHER IT'S IN THE HEIGHTS OR, UH, WOODLAND HEIGHTS THAT WE NORMALLY STIPULATE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE ONE OVER ONE, UH, RECESS AND, UH, INSIDE AND RECESS WINDOWS.
WE, SO WE DO STATE THAT IT NEEDS TO AT LEAST LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE ORIGINAL, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE ALL GEL ONE KIND OF THING.
IT IS NEW, BUT IT HAS TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT OLD IN THAT THAT ONE ON, ON ALSTON DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC HOUSE.
I MEAN, IT HAD LIKE MASSING THAT WAS SYMPATHETIC WITH THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT IT WAS CLEARLY A MODERN HOUSE.
IT WON AN A I A AWARD IN HOUSTON.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LIKE, WELL, I THINK IF THIS WERE, FOR ME, IF THIS WERE A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, THEN I THINK OTHER WINDOWS WOULD BE, WELL, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT CONTEMPORARY.
THIS ISN'T A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
LIKE THEY HAVE THE VERTICAL SIDING ON THE ADDITION.
I, I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO, NOW IT'S SOME SORT OF HYBRID HOUSE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGN UP, BUT I DO, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I DO QUESTION FOR THE LAST SPEAKER.
YOU CAN ASK REPRESENTATIVE COMING UP.
CAN I, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION JUST FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE IN LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT AREA'S, A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT.
THE, UM, THE SIDELIGHT NEXT TO THE DOOR.
IS THERE A REASON WHY IT'S ONLY, WHY, WHY IT'S FLOATING NEXT TO THE DOOR, UH, PRECEDENT.
AND THEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOKED AT GOOGLE MAP VIEWS OF, OF EVERYTHING AROUND US THAT ORIGINALLY, THAT WINDOW WENT TO THE FLOOR AND WE PREFERRED THAT.
BUT FROM JASON'S RECOMMENDATIONS, WE BROUGHT THAT UP TO THE SIDELIGHT, NEXT TO THE DOOR, NOT THE WINDOW.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? CORRECT.
SO THAT SIDELIGHT DID GO FROM THE TOP OF THE DOOR ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR PREVIOUSLY, AND NOW IT HAS SPACE BELOW IT.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OTHER FRONT DOORS.
WHY? WELL, THERE WASN'T A SIDELIGHT FIRST.
BUT JASON, WHY IS THE SIDELIGHT, OH, SO THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE PAIR OF DOORS HAS TO DO WITH DOUBLE DOORS ARE EXTREMELY AIR LEAKY.
RIGHT? I THAT'S WHAT, OKAY, SORRY.
SO THE SIDELIGHT THAT'S PROPOSED NEXT TO THE NEW FRONT DOOR ON THE LEFT.
JASON, WHY IS THAT? WHY IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT WHEN WE DID THIS, UH, REVIEW LAST WEEK, ONLY THREE QUARTERS OF THE WINDOW, IT DID NOT LOOK, UM, APPROPRIATE THAT IT WOULD BE A FULL LENGTH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FLOOR.
AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE SIDELIGHT HAD SOME SIDING BENEATH IT.
AND THAT WAS DURING OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK.
BUT I THINK, JASON, WHAT THE QUESTION IS, USUALLY THERE'S A FIXED PANEL BELOW THAT WINDOW IN THIS CASE IT'S SIDING IS SLID INTO THAT SPACE.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I'VE EVER SEEN THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION.
THAT, THAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION ARE SAYING LIKE, IT JUST LOOKS AWKWARD TO ME RATHER SEE PANELING THAN SIDING UNDERNEATH IT.
WELL, I DOOR, I WOULD EVEN GO ONE FURTHER.
UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHETHER IT'S COMMON TO HAVE ONLY ONE SIDE OF SIGHT LIGHT? IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE A ONE EYE JACK HERE, KIND OF, KIND OF A THING.
SO I'M, I MEAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOVE AND BELOW, BUT I'M EVEN THINKING ABOUT WHY ONLY ONE SIDE AND NOT MOVE THE DOOR OR SOMEHOW AND THEN HAVE DOUBLE SIDELIGHTS WHERE IT WILL BE COMPARABLE TO OTHER HEIGHTS HOUSES OR NO SIDE LIGHT.
NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSES SHOULDN'T BE COMPARABLE TO OTHER HEIGHTS HOUSES.
WELL, I DO WANT ROMAN TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
SO IF WE COULD LET, UH, I DO HAVE DAVID
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EDGAR SIGNED UP AND IF WE COULD AT LEAST ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO, TO DELIBERATE.MY NAME IS DAVID EDGAR, I'M THE BUILDER.
UM, THESE GUYS PRETTY MUCH STATED ALL THE THINGS, SO I WAS JUST MAKING MYSELF AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION AND TECHNIQUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO ACHIEVE THE PASSIVE HOUSE.
SO ROMAN, I THINK, UH, UM, UH, I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS CAN YOU STATE THE PARAMETERS ARE IN FOR A NOT CONTRIBUTING HOUSE FOR, IN THIS CASE WINDOWS HAS BEEN THE BIG, UH, TOUCH POINT IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE RE REGARDING, WELL THE PROPORTION AND SORT OF HOW THEY FIT INTO THE CONTEXT AREA, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE WELL SO DIFFERENT.
UM, I WANNA STATE THAT THE NUMBER 67 WAS MENTIONED.
UH, BUT I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU IS NOT THAT PHRASE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REFERS TO THE FACT IT SAYS THAT IF, UM, ALTERATIONS TO A, A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE EXCEEDS 67% OF THE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS OF THAT BUILDING, THEN IT COMES TO, UH, COMMISSION UNDER THE NORMAL THINGS.
UM, BUT SO THAT THIS IS IN THIS CASE, IT, THERE MAY BE CHANGES IN THIS BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT THE STRUCTURAL.
SO IT'S NOT HERE, IT'S HERE BECAUSE WE DID HAVE, WE'VE, THE CRITERIA FOR UM, AN ALTERATION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE SAYS THAT THE DETAILING AND THE FEATURES OF THAT BUILDING SHOULD EITHER MATCH THAT EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING OR BUILDINGS IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
SO FOR US, UH, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST A SINGLE OR THE APPEARANCE OF A SINGLE HUNG OR DUG HUNG WINDOW WHERE THE LOWER SASH IS SET IN.
WE, WE WERE LIMITED IN THAT WAY, BUT WE BRING IT TO YOU RIGHT? THANKFULLY BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESSES THAT WORK WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND MAKE THE CASE FOR WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.
THAT'S THE FIRST, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE.
THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT, UH, THE THE KIND OF ENERGY EFFICIENT HOUSE IT IS, BUT PROPOSED TO BE.
SO IT COMES TO YOU NOW, UM, FOR THAT REASON AND, AND YOU CAN REVIEW IT AND YOU CAN SET A STANDARD THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I, UM, I THINK I'VE COVERED IT ALL.
IT IT FOR US WITH WHAT IT KIND OF JUST READING THE ORDINANCE AS IT STATES IT NEED.
AND SO IT'S GOING FROM WHAT LOOKS LIKE A TYPICAL WINDOW IN THE CONTEXT AREA TO A DIFFERENT WINDOW BECAUSE IT HAS THE SASHES ONE ABOVE THE OTHER DIRECTLY WITHOUT THE INSET THAT WE NORMALLY EXPECT.
UM, NO BRINGING IT TO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION AFTER THAT.
BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY YOU DIDN'T RECOMMEND A JUST STRAIGHT ON CASEMENTS SINGLE LIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT.
BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO I MEAN, I WANT, I GUESS COMMISSIONER TCH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT THAT'S STILL THE, THE, THAT'S ONE ASPECT THAT'S STILL HOLDING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S STILL AFFECTING THIS REVIEW.
NOW WE CAN STILL APPROVE ADDING THAT MUTTON BAR TO SAY IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE US NOW, RIGHT? BUT ALSO THINK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A HOUSE THAT'S MEETING A VERY SPECIFIC ENERGY CODE, WHICH IS OUR FUTURE.
AND, AND THAT TO SAY THAT ANY HOUSE BUILT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MUST HAVE A TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOW WHERE THE BACK PAIN IS RECESSED.
YOU'LL NEVER ACHIEVE THAT ENERGY.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET THERE UNLESS, UNLESS YOU PUT THE WIND WOOD WINDOW DOUBLE HUNG IN FRONT AND THEN PUT THE TRIPLE PANE WINDOW BEHIND IT, I GUESS, OR, OR, OR FIXED GLASS BEHIND IT.
IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS, SEEMS THAT ON A NON NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, WE HAVE THE APPEARANCE.
I, WITH A, I'VE DONE IT WITH A CASEMENT WINDOW, PUT A MUTTON BAR IN 'CAUSE IT APPEARS FROM THE STREET TO BE A DOUBLE HUNG.
AND IT LOOKS FROM THE STREET LIKE THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE, UH, APPLAUDING THESE GENTLEMEN FOR TRYING TO ACHIEVE THIS KIND NEW WAY OF BUILDING RATHER THAN TRYING TO PREVENT THEM AND MAY FORCE THEM INTO A JEIN WOOD DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOW.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS NEW WAY OF BUILDING CALLS BACK TO HISTORIC BUILDING TRADITIONS AND METHODS WHERE WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SIDING AND LANDSCAPE AND OVERHANGS AND DESIGN TO PASSIVELY HEAT AND COOL HOUSES.
THERE'S THE PRESERVATIONIST, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
ROMAN NINE SEVEN BUILT, I'M SORRY CHAIR.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT.
I NEEDED A, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE,
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THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION AND THE SIDELIGHT AS YES.UM, I THINK WHAT THERE WAS A LITTLE GAP IN COMMUNICATION WHEN WE SUGGESTED THAT THERE BE, UH, THAT THAT SIDE LIGHT NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UH, I THINK WE WERE ENVISIONING A PANEL BENEATH THAT SIDELIGHT AND UM, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THE PANEL.
BUT, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, AND WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IS IT JUST REGARD OVERALL, UH, IS AN, IT SEEMS TO US AS AN ABSTRACTION OF ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA.
SO IT JUST, IT DIDN'T SEEM SO FOREIGN TO US THAT IT DIDN'T BALANCE TO ONE SIDE.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY ON.
AND I THINK ABSTRACTION IS STILL THE KEY THAT THROUGH ABSTRACTION AS A WAY TO GET BOTH SIDES TO HAVE SOME CURRENCY.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, SOME OF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE HAPPY NOT TO HAVE THE SIDE LIGHT AND JUST HAVE THE DOOR IN THE TRANSOM, BUT IT'S, UM, BUT MR. COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU COULD MAKE A, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION.
AND IT MAY CARRY SO WELL I ALSO, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT DOES THIS HOW SUBJECT TO THE FAR REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE CALCULATIONS ANYWHERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS 'EM.
THESE ARE STILL, UM, SUBJECT TO THE FAR CALCULATIONS.
THEY DO MEET IT, THEY ZEROED IT OUT.
IT'S THERE ON PAGE, IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT.
I WAS EXPECTING IT TO BE IN THE BEGINNING LIKE IT NORMALLY IS, BUT I'LL LOOK BACK THERE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE, ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE HOMEOWNER.
AND IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ALL NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
SO IS IT JUST ONE AND THEN ALL ABSTAINING
WELL, THE MOTION PASSED, I BELIEVE, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHO VOTED FOR.
I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THE, THE MOTION WAS TO ACCEPT IT, NOT ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT TO ACCEPT THE, AS PRESENTED, SUBMITTED THE PLANS.
IS IT WOULD THE HOMEOWNER MM-HMM
WITH, WITH THE HORIZONTAL BUTTON BAR? YES.
THAT'S HOW HIS WINDOWS ARE SUBMITTED, IS WITH THE HORIZONTAL MUT BAR.
IT'S A TRIPLE PANE WINDOW WITH A HORIZONTAL MUTING BAR FOR THE APPEARANCE OF A JUST REVIEWED ONE OVER ONE.
COULD I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, DOES THAT INCLUDE TO HAVE A PANELING BELOW THE SIDE LIGHT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL? YES.
OR, OR, OR IT JUST LOOKS ALRIGHT.
I AM VOTING NO ON THE FACT THAT I'M SEEING THE PICTURE I'M SEEING, WHICH IS SIDING.
NO, I MEAN, ARE WE CHANGING THE PARAMETERS NOW? WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FRONT DOOR ONLY IN THE SIDE SIDELIGHT ON THE FRONT, THE SIDELIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR AND, AND THE CONFUSION BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PANEL, LIKE A TRADITIONAL WOOD PANEL BELOW THE SIDELIGHT.
SO IT WASN'T SOLID GLASS DOWN TO THE GROUND OR NO, OR, OR NO SIDE LIGHT AT ALL, OR NO SIDE LIGHT AT ALL.
SO I GUESS MR. HUNT, THE QUESTION IS REGARDING THE SIDE LIGHT IN TERMS OF ADDING A PANEL BELOW THE WINDOW OR SIMPLY REMOVING THE SIDE LIGHT AND JUST HAVING A DOOR AND HAVING A TRANSOM.
ARE YOU, WHAT ABOUT A SIDE LIGHT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR PARK ATTACKS? THAT'LL PUSH IT OVER BEHIND THE COLUMN.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT DO THAT, BUT THE GLASS ON THE SIDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A PANEL BELOW, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A PANEL BELOW.
BUT, UM, THE, OUR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL INTENT WAS TO HAVE A SIDELIGHT TO THE FLOOR.
SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THE SIDELIGHT TO THE FLOOR, I THINK WE'VE DONE SO MUCH TO MAKE THIS THING LIKE REALLY, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT SIDELIGHT REALLY NEGATES THAT.
SINCE, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, DID YOU CONSIDER A SIDELIGHT TO THE FLOOR AND THE TRANSOM EXTENDING OVER BOTH THE DOOR AND SIDE? YES, SIR.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL.
YES, THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN.
AND, AND IS THAT WHAT, AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER WOULD BE A SINGLE, A SINGLE, UM, TRANSOM OVER BOTH THE SIDELIGHT TO THE FLOOR? THAT'S CORRECT.
I PERSONALLY, I FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL ASK MR. MCNEIL IF HE'S CAN, CAN HE MAKE A NEW MOTION TO OVERRIDE HIS MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED, I THINK, YES.
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OR ANOTHER MOTION? WELL THIS, THIS, THIS MOTION IS, UM, IS AN ADD-ON TO WHAT WAS JUST APPROVED IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS APPROVED.THE, THE MOTION THAT YOU, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA, I GUESS VOTE ON IS, IS TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE OWNERS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE TRIPLE PANE WINDOWS AND THE HORIZONTAL MUTTON BARS WITH A, THE ONLY CHANGE ON THE PLAN THAT I SEE IS THAT THE FRONT DOOR SHALL INCLUDE A SIDE LIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, SIX FOOT EIGHT, THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE DOOR.
IS THAT OR IS A DOOR? I DON'T REMEMBER THE DIMENSION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE SIDELIGHT WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE DOOR CORRECT.
AND THE TRANSOM ABOVE WILL EXTEND FROM THE WIDTH OF THE SIDELIGHT TO THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR.
ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES.
AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIND COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
DON'T WE STILL HAVE ITEM 10? WHAT'S THE GARAGE? WE STILL HAVE THE GARAGE.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LIAL.
OH, IT'S THE SAME TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM D 10.
THIS IS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY GARAGE AND GARAGE APARTMENT.
THIS TOO, LIKE THE UH, D NINE WILL HAVE COVE DUTCH TRUE EXTERIOR FOR HORIZONTAL SIDING, A V GROOVE PROFILE AND A SEVEN INCH REVEAL FOR VERTICAL SIDING.
A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A FIVE R 12 ROOF PITCH WINDOWS TO BE A MIX OF CASE MEN FIXED AND A MIX OF SINGLE PANE AND ONE OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERNS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED CASEMENT WINDOWS ONLY FACING 12TH STREET BE EITHER SINGLE HUNG OR DOUBLE HUNG THAT MATCHED THE LIGHT PATTERN STYLE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
ANDERS HYDE, THE OWNER IS HERE AS WELL AS JESSE HUNT AND, UM, DAVID EDGAR TO SPEAK ON THIS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
JASON, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ONE OF THE THREE WANT TO JUST REPRESENT THE PROJECT FOR THIS GARAGE? UM, THIS IS ABOUT THE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE.
AND JASON, I GUESS JASON, LEMME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION IF I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE WINDOWS WAS TO MATCH THE APPEARANCE OF THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW WITH THE LOWER SASH INSET? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT ONLY THOSE WINDOWS FACING 12TH STREET.
THE OTHER PROPOSED WINDOWS REMAIN AS SUBMITTED.
SO, UM, GIVEN THE VOTE WE JUST HAD IN THE MAIN HOUSE THOUGH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA COLOR HOW THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO I'LL JUST ASK, UH, MR. HUNT IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS MATTER.
I DON'T THINK I NEED THREE SPEAKERS TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT IF YOU CAN JUST JESSE HUNT AGAIN.
UH, THE SAME ARGUMENT AS MADE FOR THE, THE FRONT HOUSE.
UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET WILL BE THE SAME AS THE OTHER HOUSE THAT WAS JUST VOTED ON.
QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
ARE ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE SAME ENERGY STANDARD ON THE GARAGE? THE EXACT, THE EXACT SAME STANDARD TO THE APARTMENT IN THE BACK? YES, SIR.
I'M GONNA CL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER MCNEILL? MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE WIN THE WINDOWS ON FACING 12TH STREET ON THIS PROJECT TO BE LEFT AS CASEMENT WINDOWS, UM, AS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITH THE BUTTON WITH THE HORIZONTAL MU.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? A MOTION PASSES.
NOW WE DO NEED TO FIND MR COSGROVE THREE 15 NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SHALL WE CALL FOR COMMISSIONER COSGROVE TO REJOIN THE GROUP PLEASE? AND NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7 9 2 7 WEST COTTAGE STREET.
THERE IS, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LEVENTHAL.
TODAY I PRESENT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM D 7 9 27 WEST KADA STREET IN THE NORTH HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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THE A APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DO AN ALTERATION OF THE FRONT PORCH IN THE FRONT GABLE ON THE FRONT GABLE TO INSTALL A STAINED GLASS WINDOW TO, UH, THERE IS ONE 17 SITING THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED IN, IN THE FRONT GABLE, BUT HAS NOT BEEN REPLACED WITH PROPOSED CEDAR SHAKE.SHINGLES PROPOSES TO REORIENT THE PORCH STEPS THAT CURRENTLY LEAD TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY AND REPOSITION TOWARDS WEST COTTAGE STREET AND INSTALL A NEW WOOD GUARDRAIL AND PORCH STEPS AND INSTALL A NEW PORCH DECK WITH A THREE AND A HALF INCH TONGAN GROOVE.
UH, IN YOUR PACKET, I HANDED OUT HARD COPIES BEFORE THE COMMISSION STARTED.
THIS IS DATED OCTOBER 9TH FROM THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT, UH, CIVIC COMMENT THAN WHAT I INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENTIATION WHAT THEY ARE NOW APPROVING.
THIS ONE THAT WAS CAME IN LAST NIGHT IS THEY STILL ARE OPPOSED TO THE, UM, STAINED GLASS WINDOW, BUT THEY DO APPROVE THE, UH, THE SIDING, THE CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES TO GO AHEAD AND REOR THE FRONT STEPS, BUT ALSO KEEP THE SIDE STEPS.
AND THEY ALSO SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FRONT STEPS EXTEND TO THE ADJACENT COMMS FOR A STEP TO CON RELATIONSHIP THAT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL WITH AND CONDITION OF APPROVE ALL PROPOSED ALTERATIONS EXCEPT FOR INSTALLING THE STAIN GLASS WINDOW.
THE OWNER, LAWRENCE FIBO, IS HERE AND INTENDS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS HIS, AS HIS AGENT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, BUT JASON, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THE EXISTING SIDE STAIRS? OKAY, UH, STAFF WENT OUT THERE.
THIS GONNA BE, THERE WAS THE FOUR OF US.
WE SAW THAT THIS WAS A LATER ADDITION BASED AFTER THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
THE PORCH WAS ALTERED AND THE SIDE STEPS WERE NOW PUT IN TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY.
THE FRONT STEPS WERE TAKEN OUT.
PLUS ALSO TOO, IF YOU GO TO THE PORCH COLUMNS, I PUT RED LINES WHERE YOU COULD SEE THAT WHEN ALTERED, THEY EXTEND PAST THE SIDE ELEVATION.
AND THE BRICK COLUMNS ARE ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT HEIGHT.
SO WE THINK ACTUALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CONTEXT AREA, THERE'S CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT A MAJORITY HAVE STEPS FACING THE STREET.
THOSE THAT HAVE FACING THE SIDE ARE ALTERED 'CAUSE THEY HAVE CONCRETE PORCHES AND NOT DECK.
SO WE ARE IN STAFF OF JUST RE THE STEPS TO THE FRONT, NO SIDE STEPS.
SO ALLOWING THEM TO FILL IT IN WITH A RAIL.
I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE, UH, SIGN SPEAK ON THE SIDE.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE FRONT IS, UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS LAWRENCE FIBO.
YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THOSE TWO ARE ORIGINALLY THANK YOU.
MR. CHAIR AND HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? LAWRENCE FIBO.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 17 YEARS.
AND, UM, SO THE MODIFICATION I GUESS THAT REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW.
AND, UH, IN CONTRAST TO THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE FOR ITEM D 10, I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO PUT A 100-YEAR-OLD WINDOW BACK INTO A HOME.
UM, IT WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY, BUT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE TWO, UM, IN THE CONTEXT AREA THAT DO HAVE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS.
UM, AND THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT I'M SHOWING HERE, I TOOK THAT THIS MORNING.
UM, THERE IS A STAINED GLASS WINDOW IN THE GABLE OF THE CARPORT.
SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ONE IN THE FRONT GABLE WOULD BE SORT OF PARALLEL AND COMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IF IN FUTURE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, IT IS REVERSIBLE.
SO THAT COULD BE REMOVED AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL, UH, OR ANY MATERIALS COULD BE REPLACED THERE.
UH, NEXT ONE I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU.
THIS IS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME.
IT HAS A, A WINDOW, UM, IN THE FRONT GABLE.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, BUT THE ONE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WAS THERE TO BE BEGIN WITH.
AND, UH, GABLE ORNAMENTATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE NEXT IMAGE IS ANOTHER.
SO THIS IS THE HOUSE DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, FOR THE CONTEXT AREA.
AND THEN THE FINAL IMAGE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IS, UH, THIS ONE DOWN ON THE END OF THE STREET.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CALL THAT ON THE LEFT A, UM, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
BUT YOU SEE HOW DIFFERENT IT IS FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE ON THE RIGHT AND THAT THAT WAS FROM GOOGLE EARTH IN 2007.
AND SO MY ARGUMENT IS, UM, WHAT
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WE THINK ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED A LOT, UM, FROM THEIR ORIGINAL, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FRONT ELEVATION VIEW.AND UM, I THINK WE DO, IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAPPY ON THE FRONT PORCH, WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER THE PRESERVING THE SIDE ENTRANCE.
UM, I DO NEED TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
OH, WE BROUGHT THE OFFENDING WINDOW AS WELL IF YOU WANNA SEE IT
I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
ROD FRAGO, WHO'S HANDING, WHO'S, WHO'S HOLDING THE WINDOW PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE? STATE YOUR NAME.
WHAT DO YOU GOT? 30 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND THIS LITTLE GUY'S BOTHERING YOU IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE'S 65 OF THESE IN NOR HILL.
SOME HOUSES HAVE THREE OR FOUR.
SO HOW CAN THIS BOTHER YOU? AND WE DIDN'T TAKE THE, THE GABLE VENT OUT.
NOW I AM GONNA BLOCK IT ON THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE YOU KNOW DAVE AS WELL AS I DO, IF YOU HAVE RIDGE VENTS, YOU DON'T WANT GABLE VENTS.
YOU WANT YOUR AIR COMING UP AND PUSHED OUT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT 'CAUSE OF THE HISTORIC VALUE.
I PUT THE OTHER ONE IN SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO.
SO HOW CAN THIS ACTUALLY BOTHER? IT ONLY BOTHERS TWO PEOPLE, BY THE WAY, A MAN IN VIRGINIA.
BUT THEY GOT SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
SO I MEAN REALLY, IS THERE ANYBODY AT THIS TABLE WOULD BE OFFENDED BY LOOKING AT THIS? WELL, IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
IS WAS THERE, I FOUND THIS IN A HOUSE THAT WE MOVED IN THE HEIGHTS OVER TO PARKVIEW ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS FOUR OF THESE IN AN ATTIC AND I STILL HAVE TWO OF THEM.
WHY YOU NEED ONE? NO, I DON'T NEED ONE.
UM, BUT I, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THE POINT.
UM, THAT IF YOU WERE PUTTING IT IN AN EXISTING OPENING, I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY EASY APP, YOU KNOW, NO, NO ISSUE.
IT'S JUST CREATING A NEW OPENING TO PUT A WINDOW THAT WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY.
OH, A WHOLE LOT OF OPENINGS PUT IN OLD HOUSES THAT WERE NEVER THERE.
THERE WERE, I MEAN, JUST GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT ALL THOSE OTHER 65 OF 'EM ARE LIKE THAT.
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING THESE SIDE ENTRANCES AND UH, AMANDA REYNOLDS STOOD HERE AND TOLD YOU 50% OF THE NOR HILL HAD 'EM.
WE COUNTED, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA COVER EVERYTHING.
WELL, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THIS WINDOW POSSIBLY BOTHER YOU GROWING UP? THAT THIS IS GONNA BOTHER YOU? DRIVING BY THE WINDOW DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.
I LOVE IT ON A MONTROSE BUNGALOW.
I OWNED, I PUT A STAINLESS WINDOW THERE, BUT GUESS WHAT, THERE'S NO HISTORIC DISTRICT IN MONTROSE AND, AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THIS COMMISSION EXISTED, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT GOT REMOVED.
BUT AGAIN, FRAMING A NEW OPENING, WHICH IS CLEAR FROM THE GATEWAY PICTURE.
WELL THIS VERY, AND PUTTING THAT IN THERE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AUTHORIZE OR RECOMMEND.
SO, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T STOP US FROM DOING IT.
YOU MEAN YOU WON'T AUTHORIZE OR YOU WON'T RECOMMEND IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT'S OPEN.
I CAN'T APPROVE IT SITTING HERE WITH THE CHARGE THAT I'M GIVEN AS A COMMISSIONER, I CAN'T APPROVE IT.
AND WHY NOT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OR.
IT IS NOT, DOES NOT BELONG TO THAT HOUSE.
AND THERE WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL OPENING IN THAT GAVE LINE.
BUT YOU'VE GOT COMPRESSORS ALL OVER PEOPLE'S HOUSES, EITHER WAS DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE ALL OVER PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
NO ONE'S CLAIMING THAT IT BOTHERS THEM HERE.
AND MY SUGGESTION IS, IF YOU LIKE IT AND THE HOMEOWNER ESPECIALLY LIKES IT SO MUCH, IT'S FINE TO DISPLAY IT.
JUST MAKE A NICE FRAME FOR IT INSIDE ONE OF THE WINDOWS FACING THE STREET AND EVERYBODY CAN DRIVE BY AND SEE IT.
AND, AND NO ONE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
OH, SO NOW WE CAN PUT IT IN, SIR.
IF IT'S INSTALLED WITHIN THE HOUSE, NOT ON THE HOUSE, WITHIN THE HOUSE, THEN EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND EVERYONE WILL BENEFIT.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A LIGHT BEHIND IT SO IT LIT IT UP AT NIGHT.
PART OF THE PROBLEM IS CUTTING THE NEW HOLE TO PUT THE WINDOW IN, CUTTING THE WELL THEN WE COULD TAKE THE OLD BENT OUT, PUT IT IN WHERE THE BENT WAS.
THE OTHER THING I WANNA KNOW IS HOW, HOW DOES WE JUSTIFY TAKING THE OLD SIDING OFF AND PUTTING THE SCALLOP? OH, I'M GLAD YOU ANSWERED THAT BECAUSE I'LL CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU.
BACK WHEN IKE HIT, UH, HIS HOUSE, IT TORE THE OLD SIDING UP.
SO HE TOOK, IT WAS CEDAR SHAKES BLEW HIM OFF.
SO HE REPLACED THEM WITH ONE 17 SIDING.
NOW HE WANTS TO PUT THE CEDAR SHAKES BACK
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ON.THAT SIDING TAKEN OFF IS NO MORE THAN HOW OLD IKE IS.
YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAD SOME SIDING.
IT HAD CEDAR SHAKES BEHIND IT.
SO THEY RECITED IT WITH ONE 17.
NOW WE REMOVED IT AND WE'RE PUTTING UH, CEDAR SINKS BACK IN.
ALRIGHT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO JASON, COULD YOU RESTATE, UM, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING, UH, THIS THIS WINDOW, WHICH NEVER EXISTED ON THE HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED ON THE HOUSE AND IT'S ON THE FRONT FACADE.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT, CAN YOU JUST RESTATE YOUR, YOU'RE YOU'RE FINE WITH THE PORCH MOVING THE STEPS TO THE FRONT.
UM, I KNOW THE DISTRICT WANTED WIDER STEPS THAN WHAT WERE PROPOSED.
UM, THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE SIDE STEPS.
YOU ALL ARE FINE WITH REMOVING THE SIDE STEPS THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL AND TO HAVE THE RAIL.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST THIS WINDOW STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT ADDING THE WINDOW BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED.
AND TO CLARIFY, AS MCNEIL MENTIONED, THERE'S NO OPENING THERE AT THE FRONT GATE WILL BEGIN WITH JUST A TRIANGULAR VENT.
BUT IT IS TRUE THAT IN THE CONTEXT HERE, THERE'S TWO STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, BUT THE MAJORITY ARE THERE'S VENTS, RIGHT? NOT STAINED GLASS WINDOWS.
BUT, BUT THE ISSUE IS TO PUT A WINDOW WHERE THERE NEVER WAS A WINDOW OR ESPECIALLY AN ORNAMENTAL WINDOWS A FALSE PAST THAT NEVER EXISTED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE ROOT OF THIS, THIS, THIS ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SAY APPROVE ALL PROPOSED ALTERATIONS EXCEPT INSTALLING THIS STAINED GLASS WINDOW MOTION.
SECOND, BUT THE MO BUT YOU STATE YOUR MOTION.
WELL, UH, UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND THE SECOND SECOND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
I GUESS, UH, I JUST WANNA BE A BIT MORE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WIDENING THIS FRONT STEPS.
SO BASED ON THE PROPOSED DRAWINGS THAT I SEE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GUARD RAIL BEFORE THE PAGE NINE OF 17.
AM I LOOKING AT IT RIGHT? NINE OF 17.
SO THERE WAS MORE GUARDRAIL AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE HANDRAIL COMING DOWN.
SO I GUESS THE, UH, NOR HILL IS OBJECTING TO THAT.
AND THEY WANT THE, THE STEPS TO BE FROM BRICK TO BRICK, FROM POST TO POST.
YOU KNOW, READING THEIR LETTER, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THEY MEAN BY IT BEING WIDER.
HOWEVER, THOUGH, AS I SAID, WE FOUND EVIDENCE AND I HAVE THE PICTURES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A BRICK PEDESTAL AND YOU COULD SEE AN OUTLINE OF A DIFFERENT PORE OF CONCRETE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN IS TO PUT THAT BRICK PEDESTAL WHERE WE FOUND EVIDENCE OF IT BEFORE.
AND THAT'S THE WIDTH OF AS IN THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION.
SO THE STAIRCASE NOW IS IN THE ORIGINAL WIDTH OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, POST.
THERE IS NO MORE IN EXISTENCE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IS WITH THE PROPOSING, PUT IT BACK IN THAT ORIGINAL WIDTH THAT WE HAVE FOUND EVIDENCE OF THAT HAS CONFIRMATION WITH THE OWNER.
LET THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANNA KEEP IT THE WAY THE DRAWING SHOWS OR MAKE THE STEPS WIDER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE PREFERENCE HAVE TO GO FROM BRICK COLUMN AND BRICK COLUMN, OTHERWISE YOU HAVE A GAP BETWEEN THE COLUMN AND THE STEPS.
PUT MORE GUARD RAIL IN THE DRAWINGS.
YEAH, THEY HAVE WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE LINES THEN STEPHANIE? BRING UP PAGE NINE OR 17, PLEASE.
CAN I ASK THE, THE HOMEOWNER A QUESTION? OH YES, SURE.
WHAT ARE, DO THE STEPS EXTEND TO THE BRICK COLUMNS OR WHAT ARE THESE, WHAT DO THESE LINES REPRESENT IN BETWEEN THE BRICK COLUMN AND THE RAILING? I DREW THIS
THEY CAN GO BETWEEN THE BRICK COLUMN FROM BRICK COLUMN TO BRICK COLUMN.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
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UM, SEC IS IT THAT SECONDED? RE SECONDED? YES.ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE I CAN'T HEAR YOU ROD.
YOU DON'T WANT THIS WINDOW IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE YEAH, ROD, THIS THE, THE MOTION IS, I MEAN THAT THE, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA IN, IN THE ORDINANCE AND BECAUSE WE'RE A HOLE GATE, A HOLE WALL, WHILE WE'RE NOT THE G WILL IT UP THREE FOOT ON THIS THING FIT RIGHT IN BETWEEN.
BUT THE PERFECT, OKAY, SIR, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH ARE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I DO LIKE THE WINDOW AND I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, WELL OBVIOUSLY ONE MEMBER FOR THE PUBLIC CURRENTLY IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO, UM, NOT HEARING ANYONE ELSE SPEAK.
UM, LET'S HAVE OUR COMMENTS FROM THE HAC MEMBERS BEFORE WE DELVE INTO OTHER H HA HC TOPICS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION THAT IT'S ARCHEOLOGY MONTH IN TEXAS.
UM, SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ARCHEOLOGY, THERE'S EVENTS HAPPENING FOR THE PUBLIC ACROSS THE STATE, JUST GO TO THE THCS WEBSITE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THE THINGS GOING ON NEAR YOU.
I THINK WE HEARD ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I'D LIKE TO, UH, JUST, UM, FOR THE RECORDS MENTION AGAIN, I SUPPOSE THAT THERE WAS A, UH, RICE ARCHITECTURE CIVIC FORUM LAST MONTH ON THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER ON A SATURDAY.
AND IT, UH, THE TITLE OF IT PLEASE, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, SO I GET IT RIGHT.
THE TITLE WAS GLENBROOK VALLEY PRESERVATION FOR WHOM? AND IT WAS, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, IT'S AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT, UH, THE RICE ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT DOES FOR, UH, ESSENTIALLY COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT WAS, UH, AT COMMISSIONER BLAKELY'S, UM, INSTIGATION AND PLANNING, UH, ALONG WITH RICE ARCHITECTURE STAFF.
THAT WAS, UM, WHAT WAS PRESENTED ON SATURDAY.
IT WAS AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY NEAR GLENBROOK VALLEY.
UH, IT WAS ATTENDED BY HELP ME, 45 OR SO PEOPLE, A COUPLE OF US HERE WERE THERE.
AND, UM, IT WAS, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
PROBABLY AT LEAST HALF OR TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WERE FROM GLENBROOK VALLEY.
AND THEY MAY HAVE APPRECIATED THE BRIEF PRESENTATIONS BY THE PANELISTS, INCLUDING, UH, ROMAN, UH, MYSELF AND THREE OTHERS.
BUT I THINK WHAT WAS REALLY RESONATED WAS THE PUBLIC FORUM AND THE CHANCE TO, UH, RESPOND TO THAT INFORMATION.
AND ALSO Q AND A WITH OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.
YES, WE TALKED ABOUT WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE PROCESS TO BECOME A DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, VENTING HERE AND THERE, BUT GENERALLY PEOPLE, UH, APPRECIATED THE DIALOGUE, I THINK, AND THE OPPORTUNITY.
THERE WAS A NICE RECEPTION AFTERWARD.
AND, UM, I MEAN, ALL OF MY EXPECTATIONS WERE EXCEEDED.
ALL I CAN SAY IS I WISH THAT THERE COULD BE A, I WISH THAT COULD BE, UM, SOME SORT OF A MODEL FOR MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND DIALOGUE.
I MEAN, IN A FANTASY WORLD, THERE'D BE, UH, TIME AND BUDGET AVAILABLE TO DO THAT PROBABLY IN ALMOST EVERY DISTRICT WHERE, UH, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO HAVE A FORUM WHERE THEY COULD, UM, DISCUSS THINGS TOGETHER INSTEAD OF SORT OF ONE-OFFS, UH, FIRING AWAY AT, UH, ROMAN AND STAFF, UH, WHO DO, WHO DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF KEEPING UP WITH IT ALL.
BUT THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A REAL VALUE TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC MEETING ON THAT SATURDAY.
SO I WANTED TO THANK COMMISSIONER BLAKELY FOR THAT AND TO SAY THAT, UM, THERE'S A, A SUMMARY VERSION OF THAT, UH, THAT'S BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO, TO US FROM, FROM TARA STAFF AT RICE.
AND I'LL FORWARD THAT TO ALL OF US SO THAT ANYONE CAN HAVE A LOOK AT IT.
THERE'S ALSO, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, COMMISSIONER CURRY FOR SAYING THESE THINGS AND ALSO HUGE THANKS TO YOU AND TO ROMAN, UH, FOR COMING OUT AND PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE IS A SUMMARY ON OUR WEBSITE ON THE RICE WEBSITE.
IT'S LIKE A HANDHELD AUDIO RECORDING.
IS IT AUDIO? I SAW SOMEONE FILMING.
ANYWAY, APPARENTLY IT'S ON YOUTUBE.
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ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO, AND AS AN OUTCOME, WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS, IS SUPPLYING, LET'S SAY THE GLEN BROOK VALLEY FACEBOOK GROUP AND OTHER COMMUNITY, UH, KIND OF ENTITIES LIKE WHERE PEOPLE GET INFORMATION WITH INFORMATION ABOUT INDO, WITH INFORMATION ABOUT CONTRACTORS SO THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP A KIND OF SHARED RESOURCES TO HELP EACH OTHER THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.AND IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST THOUGH THEY, SOME, SOME MADE WAS TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THE PRESERVATION, THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
NOT TO RECOMMEND SOMEONE, BUT TO LET AT LEAST SAY THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT DO THESE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES AND, UH, HAVE A WORK SUCCESSFULLY IN THE DISTRICT.
SO I, I KNOW THAT THE TEXAS OREGON COMMISSION HAS IN THE PAST, AT VARIOUS TIMES, HAD LISTS OF PRODUCTS AND CONTRACTORS WITHOUT MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANYONE, BUT JUST MAKING THAT AVAILABLE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM ONE OF THE, THE SPOKES PEOPLE.
I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHICH DIRECTION, UH, KIM MICKELSON IS NODDING ABOUT.
THAT IS, IS IT, IS THERE A, UH, NO, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PROPER WAY, YOU KNOW, DISC GOVERNMENT.
IS THERE A DISCLAIMER, CLAIMER THAT YOU RECOMMEND SOMETHING ABOUT? THESE ARE NOT RECOMMENDATIONS OR ENDORSEMENTS BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
FOR OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS HERE'S PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW DO HAVE THE RIGHT MA RIGHT PRODUCTS, RIGHT MATERIALS THAT, THAT WORK.
BUT WITHOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT, THAT WOULD PUT US IN A, IN THE POSITION ALMOST OF WARRANTY OR, OR, AND THE, THE DANGER THERE IS, I SEE IT IS, IS MISUNDERSTANDING ON TWO FRONTS.
ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY PRESCRIPTIVE SOLUTION TO ANY PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT GUY OR THE RIGHT SERIES OF PRODUCTS DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
MEANING APPROPRIATE SELECTION.
SO THERE'S STILL JUDICIOUSNESS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, NUMBER ONE, AND THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS, BUT SOMEHOW IT'S NOT SOMETIMES.
AND, AND SECONDLY, IT'LL REQUIRE MAINTENANCE.
ANY KIND OF, UH, A LIST OF ANYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME AND GO AND PRODUCTS COME AND GO OUT OF PRODUCTION.
AND THE, THIS WINDOWS SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, RECOMMENDATION LIST IS ALREADY JUST A FEW MONTHS OLD AND IN AND IN NEED OF, UH, EDITING FOR THOSE REASONS.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, IT'LL JUST REQUIRE SOME UPKEEP.
BUT I'M WELL WORTH IT, I THINK.
I'M, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANY OF THIS EXISTS, IF THERE'S MONIES AVAILABLE.
UM, I'M SURE THERE'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY HOUSTON, BUT, AND IT'S, AND I, AND I KNOW THIS FULL AND WELL, THAT IT'S A BUYER BEWARE SITUATION, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COME BEFORE US AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW.
AND LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A MAILER WOULD DO ANY GOOD IF YOU MAILED OUT THE AUDUBON PLACE, OR IF YOU MAILED OUT THE HOUSTON COMMONS OR GLENBROOK VALLEY.
IT, IT PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA MAKE AN IMPACT, BUT ARE THERE ANY RESOURCES AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD TRY TO REACH OUT TO OUR HISTORIC COMMUNITIES AND SAY, YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YOU HAVE TO GET PERMITS AND YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION? I DON'T KNOW.
I TALKED TO, UM, A, A, A REALTOR WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE HOUSTON AREA REALTORS ASSOCIATION, AND THEY DO, UH, REQUIRE REALTORS TO HAVE X NUMBER OF COMM, UH, CONTINUING EDUCATION HOURS MM-HMM
AND CERTIFICATION HOURS EACH YEAR.
AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD WELCOME, THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CONTENT AND THEY WOULD WELCOME A PRESENTATION ABOUT BUYING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR HOW TO LET YOUR CLIENTS KNOW THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD EDUCATE THE REALTORS ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND GIVE THEM THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS YOUR RESOURCE, UM, THAT YOU CAN PASS ON TO YOUR BUYERS.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THOSE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR STEP FORWARD IF WE CAN ALIGN WITH THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS.
SO LET GUYS STRAIGHT INTO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY WAS, WAS, UH, UH, MAKING REMARKS ABOUT AND WAS DEFERRED, UH, WISELY TO THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO COMES TO FOR AND SAYS THEY WERE IN A DISTRICT AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT, THANK YOU.
OR, OR THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE IN A DISTRICT EITHER ONE.
FIRST OF ALL, A LAW'S BEEN BROKEN, I THINK.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY WERE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY MOVED THERE RECENTLY, THERE WERE, SINCE IT BECAME A DISTRICT, THEY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE NOTIFIED THAT JUST LIKE IF THERE WAS PREVIOUS DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE NOTIFIED THAT IF THEY'RE IN A FLOOD DISTRICT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE NOTIFIED WHERE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, IT'S BURIED AND YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO CLOSE A HOUSE, A PROPERTY.
BUT WHO, WHO BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT TURNING TO THAT PAGE? WHERE THOSE, THOSE, UH, DEFINITELY A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IT'S ALSO, IT'S DISCUSSED WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SIGN, IT'S, IT'S MENTIONED, IT'S A TRADITION.
BUT HEY, WE SAW PHOTOGRAPHS TODAY, LIKE OUR PROJECT AT
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GLENBROOK VALLEY, AND WHEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT DOES COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT GOES ON EVERY PROPERTY OUT THE STREET.SO WHEN YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU SEE THESE NOTIF NOTIFICATIONS POP UP SAYING IMPENDING, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS ON THIS, AND YOU, IT, IT, IT'S A WAY TO INFORM THE PUBLIC IF THEY, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF WORK TO HAPPEN ON A PROPERTY AND THEY CAN COME HERE AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO A NOTIFICATION YOU'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT IF YOU CAN'T SEE THOSE SIGNS, WHICH ARE RIGHT AT THE CURB, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REGULATED BY SIZE AND THEY'RE IN ALL OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE WORK IS HAPPENING.
SO IT LIKE YOU, I MEAN, YEAH, IT WAS THERE.
WELL, I I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, ESPECIALLY FOR COMMISSIONER BLAKELY AS WELL, ESPECIALLY THAT HOME BUYER THAT SAID THAT THEY BOUGHT IT LIKE UNDER TWO YEARS AND NOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY'RE RAISING THE, THE KIT IN THE ORDER BOND PLACE.
UH, IT IS, IT IS IN EVERY TITLE COMMITMENT WHILE YOU GET ON CONTRACT, EVEN BEFORE YOU SIGN ON THE CLOSING STATEMENT ON EVERY TITLE DOCUMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE CITY ORDINANCES THAT INCLUDES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT INCLUDES MINIMUM LOT SIZES, MINIMUM SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT.
THEY ARE IN THE TITLE COMMITMENT.
UH, AND YOU NEED TO READ THOSE THINGS BEFORE.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT ABOUT LIKE, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE APPRAISAL, I, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE GREAT IS SOMETHING LIKE YOU NEED TO, YOU MAY NEED TO FILE FOR A COA IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO YOUR WINDOWS, TO YOUR SIDING, TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, JUST A BULLET LIST OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TOUCH POINTS.
AND I KNOW THE CITY HAS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT GLENBROOK VALLEY, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE A CHARACTERIZATION OF DEFINING, UH, TRAITS OF THE HOMES.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS EXPLICIT AS YOU NEED TO FILE.
IF LIKE A FLOW CHART I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
I, IT MAY BE WORTH TALKING, AND THIS WAS JUST, UM, A CONVERSATION IN PASSING, BUT I THINK WHEN I WAS TALKING TO, UM, THE REALTOR AT HHAR, UM, THERE ARE THE HAR DESIGNS ITS OWN CONTRACT OR, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN PERSONALIZE THAT, UM, BY CITY OR BY ASSOCIATION.
AND IT MAY BE THAT WE COULD INCLUDE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, A CLAUSE IN THAT, THAT IS FRONT AND CENTER THAT JUST SAYS SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS YOU ARE PURCHASING A HOME IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS HAS, WELL, AND I THINK WE IMPACT, THEY HAVE, THEY WERE ASKED, AND THEY DID, I THINK THEY DID ADD ON THEIR LISTINGS.
IT'S, IT WILL SAY HISTORIC, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEARCH BY HISTORIC, WHICH HAPPENED A FEW, TWO ADMINISTRATIONS AGO, I THINK, OR MORE.
WELL, THAT IS, THE CONTRACT FORMS ARE PROMULGATED BY THE STATES.
SO THEY, YOU CAN'T ALTER THE SALES CONTRACT, CAN'T YOU ADD CLAUSES TO IT? I MEAN, YOU CAN MAYBE PUT IT IN THE SPECIAL PROVISIONS, BUT IT'S A BIT FROWNED UPON.
BUT I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT LIKE A, LIKE GO THROUGH A FORMAL PROCESS AND HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NON RESY ITEMS AGENDA THAT YOU ATTACH.
IF, IF YOU WANTED AN ATTACHMENT THAT IDENTIFIED IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
UM, BUT EVERY HARRIS COUNTY TAX RECORD SAYS THAT AT THE VERY TOP THAT YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE SO DIFFICULT TO, TO SEE IT ON SEVERAL LEVELS.
AND WE DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GENUINELY, OOPS, I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T READ MY TITLE.
I DIDN'T READ THE CONTRACT, I DIDN'T READ THE TAX ASSESSOR.
OR IF THAT'S AN EXCUSE, UM, OR I DIDN'T MAKES, WHICH MAKES IT HARD TO BE COMPASSIONATE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A DI A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, I LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOUSE AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WELL, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DISTURBING ABOUT THE KIND OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE PEOPLE PERCEIVE A KIND OF PRIVATIZATION OF LIKE GETTING OF COMPLIANCE.
SO LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MY WINDOWS COMPANY, IT KNEW IT.
LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD JUST, YOU HIRED A WINDOW COMPANY.
WHY ARE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A SALE? WHY, WHAT THEY TELL YOU? I MEAN, COMMISSIONER BLAKE, TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, I I I DON'T SEE WHY THE CITY ONE CAN'T CREATE SOME KIND OF MAIL OUT THAT GOES OUT ON SOME FREQUENCY THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S A CHECKLIST SO THAT THERE'S SOME, I GET AN EMAIL LIKE THAT FOR MY RESTRICTIONS.
I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN NEED TO BE SENT OUT MORE.
I THINK JUST SOMETHING, I THINK PEOPLE TODAY WILL GO ONLINE AND LOOK FOR THAT INFORMATION.
LIKE THAT WAS WHAT I WAS PERCEIVING IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE LIKE, WOULD, WOULD LOOK FOR THAT, BUT COULDN'T FIND IT IN THAT DISTILLED FORMAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M TAKING UP WITH SOME VOLUNTEERS AT RICE TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN CREATE, UH, AS A MODEL FOR THAT.
WELL, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, AS AN OFFENSE, IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AS WELL.
NOT JUST FROM THE BUYER, BUT ALSO FOR THE SELLER.
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BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SELLER'S DISCLOSURE.AND IN THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE IS VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN OVER THREE, FOUR PAGES HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION OR NOT, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND THOSE HAVE TO BE LIKE, EVEN BEFORE THEY GET ON CONTRACT, BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT.
SO THAT'S SO MANY SAFE SAFEGUARDS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, SO WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS ME, I DON'T KNOW, I TAKE IT WITH A BIG GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE THEY KNOW EVERYTHING THAT IS TO DO WITH THE HOUSE.
BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT THAT'S, UH, THAT BROUGHT IT UP FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER COUCH AS WELL.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE IS A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN SOMEBODY LIKE GEL ONE, BECAUSE GEL ONE ARE THE WINDOW MAKERS, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE INSTALLERS.
THEY DON'T INSTALL WINDOW BECAUSE WE, WE MENTIONED ABOUT ORDER BOND PLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT OH WOW.
WHY DID THEY EVEN, YOU KNOW, GEL ONE PUT WINDOWS THERE, GEL ONE DOESN'T, UH, GEL.
YEAH, GEL ONE DOESN'T PUT WIN.
UH, THEY ARE THE MAKERS, BUT, UH, GROGAN, TYPICALLY GROGAN DOESN'T PUT WINDOWS AS WELL.
IT IS THOSE WINDOW INSTALLERS THAT THEY WILL JUST REPLACE WINDOWS LIKE WINDOW WORLD, YOU KNOW, WHAT ADDRESS THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUYING FOR AND WHERE THEY'RE DELIVERING TO.
BUT THEY ARE NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO SAY WHETHER THE HOUSE IS HISTORIC OR NOT.
THEY, THEY, YOU, YOU ORDER A WINDOW AND THEY DELIVER IT.
SO THAT'S GROGAN WHERE WHO WE SHOULD BE TARGETING ARE THOSE THAT PROMISED THE WORLD TO, TO THE POOR PEOPLE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY RENEGADE ON EVERY PROMISE.
SO, BUT YOU BUY FROM GROGAN, YOU TALK TO GROGAN, WE CAN CALL DAVID TO GROGAN AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THESE AREAS EXIST AND WHEN YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE YOUR SALESPEOPLE SELLING WINDOWS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, WOULD YOU PLEASE JUST DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE YOU SOLD THAT WINDOW THAT YOU MIGHT BE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT? IF I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH DAVID.
I MEAN, THOSE WERE ALUMINUM, PLAID, WOOD WINDOWS, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, GROGAN MAY THINK THAT THESE ARE WOOD WINDOWS, RIGHT? REPLACING SAME SIZE, SAME OPENING ME JUST MEAN YOU CALL DAVID AT GROGAN AND YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
AND WHAT'S HE GONNA SAY TO YOU WHEN YOU ASK HIM ABOUT DOUBLE CHECKING? I MEAN, HE'S GONNA SAY, WELL, HOW DO I DO THAT? UH, STEVE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA GO TO THE HSA WEB, GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE WHERE THE DISTRICTS ARE? IT'S A BIG STEP FOR A WINDOW SALES PERSON.
I THINK WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL ASK, INFORM HIM, THEY'LL ASK THEIR CUSTOMER ALL THEY CAN DO, RIGHT? YOU ALL YOU CAN DO IS YOU GET AS MANY TOUCH POINTS AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME AWARENESS THAT SURE.
THEY'RE SELLING PRODUCTS IN A HISTORIC, BY THE WAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE GLASS IN THEM.
THAT GUY CAN GET SOME A HUNDRED YEAR OLD GLASS FOR HER TO PUT IN THE WINDOWS.
JUST SAYING YOU NEED TO, SHE HAS THE WINDOWS.
HERE'S YASMINE, SHE HAS THE WINDOWS.
YEAH, COUNTERWEIGHTS THE ROPE.
BUT, BUT I, BUT I NEW ROPES, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT I, BUT I AGREE.
I MEAN, IF, IF A HOMEOWNER IS BUYING WINDOW AND THE SALESMAN SAYS, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, YOU NEED APPROVAL TO DO THAT, DID YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL? AND IF YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY'RE HONEST AND THEY SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED THAT, THEN MAYBE THEY'LL, THEY'LL FIND A WAY.
SO MAYBE WE'LL SEE ONE OR FEW LESS PROJECTS COME BEFORE US.
BUT IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T HURT TO REACH OUT BECAUSE I THINK, UM, EXACTLY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I OPEN TO ROMAN? MIKE? CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? UM, THIS IS TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER BLAKELY.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, WHILE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY LIVE IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT IT ALL ENTAILS.
AND I WILL GO BACK WITH OUR TEAM TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST SOME MORE EDUCATION.
SO WHILE PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING ON THE INTERNET AS TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE, PERHAPS THAT'S WHERE WE CAN ADD SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I DO AGREE THAT WHILE THEY MIGHT KNOW THEY LIVE IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THEY SEE SIGNS UP THERE.
BUT AGAIN, UH, PERHAPS A LIST, SOME EDUCATION COULD HELP.
SO WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND PROVIDE THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, SINCE THIS IS AN ITEM I WAS GONNA SUGGEST TOO, WE KEEP THIS UP ON THE, MAYBE AS AN ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA TO KEEP, KEEP IT GOING.
UM, I'LL POINT OUT THAT IF YOU ALL WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE STAFF HAS ON ITS LIST, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE THEM SOME IDEAS,
WELL, I DO THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT,
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UM, WE'VE, I'VE TALKED WITH ROMAN AND STAFF AND SOME COMMISSIONERS JUST, UM, WE HAD OUR CAMP, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS REALLY FOLKS TALKING TO US.AND I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON SOME BASIS, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, UH, A SATURDAY MEETING, NOT MAYBE THREE HOURS, NOT ALL DAY, BUT WHERE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THINGS, HAVE AN OPEN MEETING, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE MOVE IT AROUND TO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
SO IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ESPECIALLY, BUT ALSO JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TRY TO FIND SYNERGY AND, AND SEE, SEE WHERE THERE'S CONSENSUS ON SOME THINGS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO OFTEN THE ORDINANCE GETS REVISED AND SO THESE MIGHT LEAD TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS WELL, BUT IT'S JUST AN, AN EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS.
HAVING YEAH, PERIODIC WORKSHOPS MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
AND I THINK WE STILL NEED AN ETHICS WORKSHOP STILL, STILL, WE STILL NEED A LOT OF WORKSHOPS.
SO MY APOLOGIES EARLIER, I THINK I THOUGHT I WAS IN PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO MY APOLOGIES.
WHAT MEETING AM I IN THIS THURSDAY?
ACTUALLY BROUGHT SOME SHOW AND TELL TODAY THANKS TO, UM, STAFF.
UH, WE WANNA FIRST TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS.
UH, THERE WERE SIX LANDMARKS THAT WERE, UH, THAT WOULD'VE GONE PAST CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE NAP BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THERE, 1230 HOUSTON AVENUE IS NOW PROTECTED LANDMARK.
AND AFTER THAT, THE, UH, ALEXANDER Z AND JULIUS C HESTER HOUSE AT 1703 WEST STREET, HOW EXCITING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND I, THEY ACTUALLY ALSO JUST HAD A REVEAL OR A REV, UH, REVEALING OF A STATE MARKER AT THAT SITE OVER THE WEEKEND.
IS THAT RIGHT? SOMEBODY WENT DEDICATION.
AND THEN THE MENIL HOUSE AT 33 63 SAN FELIPE IS A LANDMARK.
AND THE CONCORD MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH OWNED BY A CITY OF HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE, IS NOW A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
THE FRANK A. WATTS HOUSE AT 25 29 STANMORE IS A LANDMARK.
AND, UH, IN SEPTEMBER ALSO, THE BRASWELL UH, BUILDING IS NOW A PROTECTED LANDMARK AT 56 13 ALAMEDA.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT STAFF HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY WORKING WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE.
UH, WE'VE DONE, WE DID SEVEN DESIGN REVIEWS IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT WE'RE WORKING CONSTANTLY WITH MARY FONTANO AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE HAROLD V DUTTON JR.
DISTRICT 1 42 ON, ON THAT WORK IN PLEASANTVILLE.
UM, THE, THE, THERE WERE FIVE ALSO.
ADDITIONALLY, FIVE ADDITIONAL REVIEWS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH OUR OFFICE IS.
UH, AND WE HAVE TO DO SECTION, WE HAVE TO, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ASSIST THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION WITH REVIEW OF SECTION 1 0 6 PROJECTS, THAT'S FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPACTING HISTORIC RESOURCES.
WE, UM, WE'RE STILL, WE'VE GOT THE DRAFT READY TO DO A NATIONAL, UH, TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO WORK ON A, UH, NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT IN THE LIONS AVENUE FIFTH WARD AREA.
WE HAVE FORMED A SUBCOMMITTEE OF, UM, STAFF, IF YOU WILL, A COMMITTEE OF STAFF THAT IS EXPEDITING ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
THEY, WE WERE UP TO A FEW WEEKS AGO, IT, WE OR AVERAGE WAS, UH, WELL FROM THE SUBMITTAL DATE TO, TO OUTPUT WAS TWO WEEKS.
BUT TODAY, IF WE HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION, WE'RE DOING 'EM IN ABOUT TWO DAYS.
UH, SO THOSE ARE GETTING OUT THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
UH, NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ABOUT 85% COMPLETE.
WE'LL BE PUTTING A DRAFT PUBLIC, I THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THAT'LL GO BACK ONTO THE SITE FOR THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES.
OLD SIX WARD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, WE JUST FINISHED A PUBLIC INPUT PHASE ON THE CURRENT DRAFT AND THE, UM, THE NEXT MEETING IS GONNA GONNA BE, SO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, DON'T WE? MONDAY, OCTOBER 28TH.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 28TH, THERE WILL BE A, A MEETING, AN OLD SIXTH WARD TO GO OVER THE CURRENT DRAFT.
AND WE'RE SPEAKING OF TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW, BUT PRESERVATION HOUSTON RECEIVED A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE GRANT TO CREATE A REAL ESTATE COURSE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION SIMILAR TO THE CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND THEY'VE, OF COURSE, REACHED RIGHT OUT TO US, AND WE HAD ALREADY HAD DRAFT VERSIONS OF WHAT THAT COURSE COULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, BUT
AND WE CAN MAYBE TEACH A LITTLE AND HELP A LITTLE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA DO A CERTIFICATION PROGRAM FOR REALTORS.
SO REALTORS CAN BE CERTIFIED AS PRESERVATION, KNOWLEDGEABLE E EITHER FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON OR FROM US.
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THEN ALSO WE HAVE DRAFTED, UH, LETTERS TO SEND TO WINDOW COMPANIES, UM, OR A LETTER THAT'S TO, TO SEND TO WINDOW COMPANIES.AND I KNOW LEGAL, I BELIEVE, HAS LOOKED AT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOT FINAL BLESSING YET.
NOT YET, BUT IT IS OUT, IT IS A DRAFT AND IT, IT IS COMPLETE.
UM, THE WINDOW SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WE HAVE A DIAGRAM THAT JUST ACTUALLY THIS IS GREAT, SIMPLE, SIMPLE TOOL.
UH, PETE STOCKTON WORKS IN, IN INSPECTIONS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND HE, UH, REALIZED, LOOK, WE'VE JUST GOT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ON HOW WINDOWS, WHAT WE MEAN BY INSET AND RESET RECESS.
SO THIS DOCUMENT NOW IS PART OF EVERY, UH, C OF A THAT GOES OUT WHERE YOU HAVE NEW WINDOWS GOING IN, AND IT, IT JUST SPECIFIES EXACTLY HOW SET IN AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND IT'S JUST A SIMPLE DIAGRAM.
WE WORKED ON THAT ALSO WITH A, UH, INTERN THAT CAME TO US FROM SCAD, SAVANNAH COLLEGE OF ART AND DESIGN OVER THE SUMMER.
AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE IS AN, UH, IT IS A REOPENING ON OCTOBER THE 12TH OF THIS TERRIFIC LOOKING HOUSTON FIRE MUSEUM, WHICH HAS RECENTLY COMPLETED A $5.7 MILLION BUILDING PRESERVATION PROJECT, AND WE'LL HOST A REOPENING FROM 10 30 TO THREE 30, UH, ON THE 12TH, WHICH IS THIS WEEKEND, RIGHT? IS IT? SATURDAY? SATURDAY.
UH, OUR TEAM WORKED WITH THE MUSEUM OWNERS AND THIS COMMISSION TO GET AN APPROVED C OF A FOR THE PROJECT.
IT IS A ROMANESQUE BUILDING DESIGNED BY THE ARCHITECT.
I GOT THAT ONE RIGHT, BEN? I DON'T KNOW.
OLEY J LAUREN OPENED IN 1899 AND REMAINED AN ACTIVE FIRE STATION UNTIL ITS REPLACEMENT WAS BUILT IN 1969.
OLD SEVENS, AS IT WAS FONDLY, FONDLY CALLED, IS THE OLDEST FIREHOUSE IN HOUSTON, STILL STANDING? THE FIREHOUSE IS THE HOME OF THE HOUSTON FIRE MUSEUM AND IS A CITY OF HOUSTON PROTECTED LANDMARK, A TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK AND LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND THAT'S MY REPORT FOR TODAY.
UH, WELL, I HAVE A, I HAVE A, A QUESTION.
UH, I HAVE A REQUEST IN THAT CAN, CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENCY BETWEEN WHAT WE READ IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, UH, STUFF FOR, FOR THE, THE MEETING VERSUS THE LIST OF THINGS THAT COME TO US IN THE AGENDA WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THREE OR FOUR OF THEM THAT HAD NO RECOMMENDATION AND THEN, THEN THE RECOMMENDATION COMES WITH CONDITIONS.
BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE BECAUSE THE WRITEUP DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING IN THE ONE THAT'S IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, CITY, UH, WEBSITE PRESERVATION.
IN THE PRESERVATION, PRESERVATION TRACKER.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THEN WHAT, WHAT BECOMES A PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR GENERAL CONSENT UPFRONT, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT'S APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE, THEN HOW DO, HOW CAN WE BRIDGE THIS, UH, SLIGHT MALFUNCTION? I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN VERY MUCH, AND I'LL TALK WITH STAFF AND LEGAL AND, AND WE'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE GETTING THAT INFORMATION AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
ROMAN, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY, I KNOW SAM PASSED OUT A DOCUMENT TODAY, FIRST TIME THAT LISTED WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE.
MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO JUST HAVE A SENTENCE WHAT THE CONDITION IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SPREADSHEET.
JUST, JUST A PARAGRAPH THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN AT THAT POINT.
AND IT, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT LIST GOES OUT, I THINK IF WE JUST READ THE TEXT.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SELF-EVIDENT.