* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on September 12, 2024.] [00:00:14] WE HAVE A QUORUM OF AT LEAST SEVEN. I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. UM, VICE, VICE CHAIR JACKSON IS ANTICIPATED. COMMISSIONER JONES PRESENT. COMMISSIONER DUBOSE NOT HERE. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY PRESENT. MR. SUPOVE DOES NOT HEAR. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER NEIL'S NOT HERE. MR. CURRY IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER YAP. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STAAVA. COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT. AND TODAY WE HAVE OUR ACTING SECRETARY AND ASSISTANT, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR NICOLE ARD PRESENT. SO THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, AS PART OF THE CHAIR'S REPORT, THE MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON HTV, ALTHOUGH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS ARE, UM, NOT AVAILABLE. MEETINGS START ABOUT A MINUTE AFTER THE SCHEDULED TIME. SO I, I'M GONNA START THE MEETING ABOUT TWO MINUTES PAST THE HOUR, UH, ABOUT TWO 30 TO ALLOW TIME FOR THAT BROADCAST TO GO LIVE. SPEAKERS, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S FORM, UM, BEFORE THE ITEMS CALLED AND TURN IT INTO STAFF NEAR THE FRONT DOOR AND THEY WILL GET IT UP TO ME EVEN DURING THE MEETING. UH, THE SPEAKER'S RULES ARE POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND ARE AT MY DISCRETION. AT THIS MEETING. APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. YOU MAY ALSO BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES. I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. OTHERS, PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK UP, MAY MAY SPEAK ONE TIME UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK. PLEASE NOTE, UM, FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER STAFF'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL AFTER, UM, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED SO WE CAN DO OUR DE DE OUR DELIBERATIONS ONE TIME AND IF I NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO, UH, CONVERSE OR ASK QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC, WE WILL DO SO. UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THIS OVER FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS. MY NAME IS NICOLE BROUSSARD, ACTING SEC SECRETARY AND DEPUTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE HAHC. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING INTO CREATING NEW, NEW PROCEDURES TO EXPEDITE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED AS APPROPRIATE. IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. UM, WE WILL NOT HAVE A, UM, MARTY CORN IS NOT HERE TODAY, SO WE'LL NOT HAVE OUR MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE AUGUST 15TH, 2024 HAHC MEETING, MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? YEP. SECONDS. OKAY. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM A, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR JOHN S. STEWART HOUSE AT 1 0 9 STRATFORD STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 6. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE JOHN S. STEWART HOUSE, LOCATED 1 0 9 STRATFORD STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 6. THE STEWART HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE AVONDALE EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A TWO AND A HALF STORY WOOD CLAD, HIGH STYLE NEOCLASSICAL RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1910. THE SITE WAS PURCHASED BY HARRY S TROPIC IN 1910 TO CONSTRUCT THE PRIMARY DWELLING, WHICH IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT GEORGE H FREELING. THE STRATFORD STREET PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO JOHN S. STEWART SR IN SEPTEMBER, 1911, ALONG WITH LOT FOUR AND LOT SIX ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THE STEWART FAMILY OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY FOR 33 YEARS BEFORE CHANGING HANDS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES. THE BUILDING CONTINUES TO RETAIN EXCELLENT INTEGRITY OF DESIGN MATERIALS AND WORKMANSHIP [00:05:01] THROUGH THE INTACT NEOCLASSICAL FEATURES, INCLUDING THE SYMMETRICAL FACADE COMPOSITION, LARGE, FULL HEIGHT PORCH AND PORTICO SUPPORTED BY IONIC COLUMNS, DETAILED CORNES AND WOODWORK AND EXTERIOR WOOD CLADDING. THE RESIDENCE IS SIGNIFICANT AS ONE OF THE CITY'S EARLIEST HOMES BUILT FOR SPECULATIVE PURPOSES IS ONE OF THE FEW SURVIVING LOCAL EXAMPLES OF GH LING'S WORK ASSOCIATION WITH PROMINENT HOUSTON FAMILIES AND IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF STRUCTURES CONSTRUCTED IN THE AVONDALE EDITION IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY. THE STEWART HOUSE MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN CRITERIA ONE, TWO, AND THREE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE JOHN S. STEWART HOUSE LOCATED AT 1 0 9 STRATFORD STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0. THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF MEMBER KARA QUIGLEY AND IS SUPPLEMENTED BY INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT LILY BARFIELD, IS IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION AND IS ON STANDBY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? PLEASE? IF SO, PLEASE UM, APPROACH THE FRONT PODIUM AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS APPLICATION? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE UM, A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S REC RECOMMENDATION? COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STYLE OF SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES CARRYING ON TO ITEM B. UM, OH, SORRY. I'M GONNA RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THE CO-CHAIR IS HERE AND SHE ARRIVED AT 2 37. AND ALSO I'M GOING AS I HAVE, UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONGEN CONSENT AGENDA. AND AS I HAVE TWO ITEMS I'M ASSOCIATED WITH, I'M GONNA TURN THE, THE CHAIRMANSHIP OVER TO THE CO-CHAIR FOR CONSENT. SO GO AHEAD STAFF. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC. I'M STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON TODAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING NINE ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION ITEMS B 2 7 1 7 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET NEW CONSTRUCTION FREELAND, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM B 2 15 0 8 RUTLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM B 5 15 0 8 RUTLAND STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL B 7 11 31 AUSTIN STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL ITEM B 8 19 87 WEST GRAY STREET. ALTERATION OF A SIGN. I'M SORRY, THIS IS 19 ITEMS. I'M SORRY. UM, WHERE WAS I? ITEM B EIGHT, UH, 1987 WEST GRAY STREET ALTERATION OF A SIGN, LANDMARK RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM B NINE H-R-I-H-H-A, FREEMANS TOWN HOUSES ALTERATION, SIDING AND FREELAND. FREEMANS TOWN, HIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. SORRY. NO PROBLEM. OKAY, UH, WHERE WAS I? UH, RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 10 10 19 COLUMBIA STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL OF A-C-O-R-B 11 10 19 COLUMBIA STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL B12 10 11 WEST COTTAGE STREET, ALTERATION EDITION NOR HILL RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL. CORRECT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION HERE FOR ITEM B 10. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ITEM B 13 9 0 2 [00:10:01] COMMERCE STREET, ALTERATION OF A SIGN AND THE MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM B 14 9 0 8 CONGRESS STREET ALTERATION OF ASSIGNED MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM B 16 6 2 7 HIGHLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL ITEM B 17 9 27 WEST COTTAGE STREET ALTERATION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 18 37 11 AUDUBON PLACE, ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN THE AUDUBON PLACE. HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL OF A-C-O-R-B 19 3 7 8 AUTO BOND PLACE ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN THE AUTO BOND PLACE. HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL OF A-C-O-R-B 20 12 21 COLUMBIA STREET. NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 21 5 2 8 HARVARD STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 23 6 4 3 COURTLAND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 24 9 1 4 MAIN STREET ALTERATION. THIS IS A LANDMARK AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FOR THESE PROCEEDING ITEMS. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO OVER ANY OTHERS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE ITEMS TO BE, UH, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? 'CAUSE I DID MESS UP QUITE A BIT THERE. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT THE ENTIRE LIST PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. ITEM B 2 7 1 7 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET. NEW CONSTRUCTION IN FREELAND. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 4 15 0 8 RUTLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION, THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS B SEVEN. I'M SORRY, BB 5 15 0 8 RUTLAND STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 7 1 1 3 1 AUSTIN STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE, HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST. RECOMMENDATION DENIAL B 8 19 87 WEST GRAY STREET ALTERATION OF A SIGN IN WHICH IS A LANDMARK IN THE RIVER OAKS THEATER SHOPPING CENTER. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B NINE H-R-I-A-H-H-H-A FREEMAN'S TOWNHOUSE. ALTERATION OF THE SIDING IN FRIEDMANS TOWN. RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 10 10 19 COLUMBIA STREET ALTERATION OF AN ADDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 11 10 19 COLUMBIA STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B12 10 11 WEST COTTAGE ALTERATION EDITION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL B 13 9 0 2 COMMERCE ALTERATION OF ASSIGNED IN THE MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS B 14 9 0 8 CONGRESS STREET ALTERATION OF ASSIGNED INTO MAIN STREET MARKET SQUARE. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 16 6 2 7 HIGHLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 17 9 27 WEST COTTAGE ALTERATION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 18 37 11 AUTO BOND PLACE ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN THE AUTO BOND PLACE. HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL OF A-C-O-R-B 19 3 7 0 8 AUTO BOND PLACE ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN THE AUTO BOND PLACE. HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL OF A-C-O-R-B 20 12 21 COLUMBIA STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 21 5 28 HARVARD STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL B 23 6 4 3 COURTLAND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL 9 1 4 MAIN STREET ALTERATION OF A LANDMARK [00:15:01] AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THESE PROCEEDING ITEMS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM B 1 5 2 5 WOODLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS B 3 17 11 SHEN STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HIGH FIRST WARD. HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS 1131 AUSTIN STREET, ALTERATION OF ALTERATION EDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL B 15 34 23 WHITE OAK ALTERATION IN THE HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL B 22 11 10 JEROME NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, DENIAL. WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU. BUSY MONTH. THIS IS EXCITING TO SEE THIS MANY APPLICATIONS. THANK YOU TERRANCE. UM, YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. OKAY, WE'VE GOT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THE ONE THAT'S FOR 34 23 WHITE OAK? IF WE'RE GONNA DEFER IT, WHAT, WHAT SHOULDN'T THAT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, NUMBER 15. B 15? YES, THE APPLICANTS, UH, WISH TO BRING, WISH IT'S A COMMISSION. LOOK AT THE DESIGN. UH, RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD PREFER OF COURSE THAT IT'S JUST APPROVED FLAT OUT. SO THEY HAVE, UM, THEY WANNA SPEAK, UH, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PULL OFF? MADAM CHAIR? I'M SORRY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE TWO ITEMS. 18 AND 19. THE AUDUBON PLACE IS THIS DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A COR OR DENIAL AND WE'RE NOT GIVING A-C-C-O-R IT ISSUANCE. I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED THE WAY IT SURE SOUNDED IN MY EAR. IT WOULD BE DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF COR. OKAY, I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR. IT ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE DENIAL OF A COR. SO I WAS YEAH. MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONER ITEM 10 AND ITEM 21 PLEASE. OKAY, THAT'S ITEM 10, 10 19 COLUMBIA STREET ALTERATION FOR ADDITION AND ITEM 21 5 28 HARVARD STREET. YEAH, UH, 10 ACTUALLY IS FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT WAS DENIAL COR WHEN WE READ THE, UH, THE WRITEUP AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S BECAME AN APPROVAL. IS THAT SOMETHING STAFF CAN ADDRESS? RIGHT NOW? I HAD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT INITIALLY, UH, THERE WAS DENIAL ISSUANCE OF C OF R THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SIDING ON THE LOWER, UH, BELOW THE WATER TABLE LINE ON THIS BUNGALOW. BUT THE, UH, SO THE, THE APPLICANT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO OUR OFFICE, BUT AT THIS TIME THERE REMOVING THAT AND BRINGING THE HOME COMPLETELY, UH, TO AN NOT, NOT, NOT PUTTING THAT WOOD THERE OR THAT PLANK THERE AND, UH, WE'RE JUST FOR MOVED TO A STRAIGHT UP APPROVAL BECAUSE OF EFFICIENCY AND JUST MOVING IT FORWARD. NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY OTHER THAN, SO TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU REPLACE A COUPLE OF BOARDS, MAYBE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. UM, BUT WE DO THIS OFTEN WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES IMMEDIATELY FORWARD TO THE OFFICE, APPLIES FOR A C OF A ACCEPTS THAT THEY NEED TO REMOVE WHAT THEY DID AND GET BACK IN LINE, THEN THEY DO, WE JUST MOVE FORWARD JUST FOR EFFICIENCY IS HOW WE'VE PROCESSED AND WE HAD ONE LIKE THAT LAST COMMISSION, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. ARE YOU ANSWER SATISFACTORY? SO LET'S, LET'S, UH, NOT, NOT PULL 10. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UH, ITEM NUMBER 21 5 28 HARVARD STREET TO PULL FROM CONSENT. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, UH, SIGNED UP FOR THESE CONSENT ITEMS. AND JUST TO, UM, TO REITERATE IF YOUR ITEM IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS TO YOUR LIKING, UH, THEN THAT IS IN YOUR FAVOR. UH, IF YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO SPEAK THOUGH, YOU ARE WELCOME TO. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ON THE CONSENT, UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PROPOSED THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, I SEE A COUPLE. SO WHY DON'T WE, ONE, ONE OF THE HANDS HERE ON THE LEFT IS FOR ITEM 16, 6 27 HIGHLAND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, ON THIS ITEM. OKAY, SO HE'S ASKING FOR NOT TO BE ON CONSENT. LET, LET ME, LET ME RUN THROUGH THESE SPEAKERS AND UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WE'VE GOT SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR NUMBER FIVE, [00:20:01] A COUPLE FOR NUMBER 12, ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, ONE FOR ITEM NUMBER 16, ONE FOR 17 AND ONE FOR 21. SO IF YOU WANT TO APPROACH, UM, THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD AND THE ITEM THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING. YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND JUST, JUST TELL US WHICH ITEM YOU'RE ADDRESSING. UH, ON THE AGENDA PLEASE. NUMBER 12, CAN YOU PRESS THE BUTTON PLEASE? NUMBER 12 AND THEN 22, WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE, THE LIST SEPARATE. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 12 NOW? YES, IT'S ON THE CONSENT. YOU WANT PULL IT? OH, YOU WANT TO PULL IT? YOU WANNA TAKE IT OFF? OKAY. I CAN SPEAK NOW OR WE NO, THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANKS GUYS. OKAY. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? SORRY YOU WANTED THAT ITEM PULLED RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT INDIVIDUALLY? YES. YES. SO THEY GOT IT. SO YOUR ITEM IS NUMBER 16, CORRECT? YES. AND WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT THAT INDIVIDUALLY. DEFERRAL YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY, SO THAT'S NUMBER 12. THIS AND 16. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND WE WILL UM, I'M GONNA REPEAT THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, THAT'S ITEM B 2 70 17, EAST FIFTH AND HALF STREET. ITEM B 4 15 0 8 RUTLAND, ITEM B 5 15 0 8 RUTLAND B 7 11 31 ALSTON STREET B 8 19 87 WEST GRAY STREET B NINE H-R-I-H-H-A, FREEMAN TOWNHOUSE B 10 10 19, COLUMBIA B 11 10 19, COLUMBIA B 13 9 0 2 COMMERCE STREET B 14 9 0 8 CONGRESS STREET B 17 9 27 WEST COTTAGE STREET B 18 37 11 UDUB PLACE B 19 37 0 8 BU PLACE AND B 20 12 21 COLUMBIA STREET B 23 6 43 COURTLAND AND B 24 9 14 MAIN STREET COMMISSIONERS. IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION OR WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION? COMMISSIONERS? UH, WE JUST GOT WORD THEY WOULD LIKE, THE AGENT WOULD LIKE TO PULL B SEVEN. OKAY, WE'LL PULL B SEVEN. I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THE LIST. YES MA'AM. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE ITEMS. OKAY, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE MOVES. COMMISSIONER SAVA SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THAT CHAIR HICK, UH, IS ABSTAINING, UH, FOR A CONFLICT. OKAY, THERE HE IS. I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR. WE WILL START WITH ITEM ONE. WELCOME BACK, COMMISSIONER CHU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSONS AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRENCE JACKSON. AND TODAY I, I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM B ONE AT 5 25 WOODLAND STREET, A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING 1,866 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND AN EXISTING DETA EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE SITUATED ON A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN ADDITION TO A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE AT THE SECOND FLOOR. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION OF A OF 226 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND 1,198 SQUARE FEET ON THE UPPER FLOOR DEMOLISH THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE. CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED ON THE SECOND FLOOR GARAGE WITH AN AREA OF 528 SQUARE FEET. KEEP THE ORIGINAL ROOF SLOPE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE OF SEVEN OVER 12 AND PROPOSE A SIX OVER 12 ROOF SLOPE AT THE ADDITION. THE CURRENT EAVES HEIGHT AT THE EXISTING DORMERS ARE 18 FEET NINE INCHES AND 19 FEET 10 INCHES. AND THE PROPOSED EVE HEIGHT SHALL BE 19 FEET AT [00:25:01] THE GARAGE AND 22 8 AT THE ADDITION. UH, AT, I'M SORRY, AT THE ADDITION ON THE TOP OF THE RESIDENCE, THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE ROOF'S PEAK RIDGE IS 25 FEET AND THE PROPOSED PEAK RIDGE IS 25 6 AT THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND 28 10 AT THE PROPOSED ADDITION. THE CURRENT CEILING HEIGHT ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS 10 FOOT FOUR, 10 FEET FOUR INCHES. AND THE PLAN IS TO MAINTAIN THIS HEIGHT IN THE NEW ADDITION. THE CURRENT VOLTAGE CEILING HEIGHT ON THE UPPER FLOOR IS EIGHT FOOT 10 INCHES. WITH A FIVE 11 PLATE HEIGHT KEEP THE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO KEEP THE EIGHT FOOT CEILING HEIGHT FOR THE NEW ADDITION AND THE UPPER FLOOR, THE GARAGE'S CEILING HEIGHT SHALL BE NINE FOOT ZERO INCHES. THE EXISTING FIVE INCH REVEAL WOOD SIDING IS TO REMAIN. THE ADDITION WILL HAVE A FIVE FOOT REVEAL SMOOTH CYBER FIBER CEMENT SIDING WINDOWS ARE TO BE INSET IN RECESS. FROM THE FACE OF THE INTERIOR CASING TO THE FACE OF THE WINDOW UNIT SHALL BE ONE AND THREE QUARTER INCHES MINIMUM. THE HOME IS INDEED A UNIQUE RESIDENCE WITH THE VARI WITH VERY DEFINING QUALITIES. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 22 AND 23 3 TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. STAFF, ALONG WITH THE OWNER AND AGENT HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO COMPROMISE AND COLLABORATE ON THE CHANGES TO THE ADDITION. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT THE OWNER AND AGENT DEFERRED THE PROJECT FOR THE JULY AND AUGUST HAHC MEETINGS AND HAVE ADJUSTED, ADJUSTED THE DESIGN TO DECREASE THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. AND STAFF. FEELS LIKE THE FEELS THAT THE NEWLY PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE SECOND FLOOR NO LONGER CON CONFLICTS WITH THE EXISTING DORMERS BY MINI BY MINIMIZING THE SIGHT LINES, THE SCALE AND PROPORTIONS ARE IMPROVED BY THE INCREASED DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING DORMERS AND THE ADDITION HAS MOVED BACK ALLOWING FOR THE REVERSIBILITY OF THE ADDITION TO HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF THE COA, THE CONDITIONS ARE HISTORIC. WINDOWS TO BE RE RELOCATED SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE CON CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. ONLY THE HISTORIC WINDOW THAT IS PROPOSED AT THE REAR LEFT ELEVATION SHALL NOT BE INSTALLED IN THE NEW ADDITION INSTALLED A NEW INSET AND RECESS WINDOW IN THAT LOCATION CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC THE AGENT AND THE AGENT SAM UCCO, IS HERE TO SPEAK AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TERRANCE. AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UM, SAM SAM CUS AND I BELIEVE SAM, YOU MAY BE THE ONLY SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP. THANK YOU SIR. AND I APPRECIATE SAM JANUS CREO DESIGN. THANK YOU. UM, I WAS KIND OF PUZZLED BY THE CONDITION THAT WE CAN'T USE THE OLD WINDOW IN A NEW SPACE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NEVER, WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT ISSUE COME UP. UM, AND SO I, I GUESS I'M HERE TO SAY I HATE, I HATE TO JUST GET RID OF THE OLD WINDOW. I'D RATHER USE IT IN THE STRUCTURE EVEN IF IT IS GONNA GO INTO PART OF THE NEW STRUCTURE. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO REUSE THE HISTORIC MATERIAL AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WE DIDN'T JUST GO WITH THE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WAS GO WITH JUST THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT APPROVED. 'CAUSE I WANTED TO ASK WHY WE CAN'T USE AN OLD WINDOW IN THE ORIGINALS IN THE, IN THE NEW STRUCTURE. IT'S BETTER THAN THROWING IT AWAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, UM, IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION, I MEAN, UH, SURE. I KNOW THIS CAME UP IN A REVIEW. UM, COULD THE WINDOW BE MOVED SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT, UM, IN THE, IN THE DRAWING THAT IT'S ON CURRENTLY SO THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON AN OLDER FACADE? OR IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR YOUR INTERNAL LAYOUT? YEAH, IT'S REAL. IT JUST REAL, IT'S REAL AWKWARD IN THE ROOM IF YOU MOVE IT OVER BECAUSE IT'S NOT CENTERED ON ANYTHING AND IT'S JUST, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY AWKWARD IN THE ROOM. OKAY, SAM, THANK YOU. I'M GONNA YOU BET. THANK YOU. UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL JUST, IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME. NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS THERE WAS A QUESTION AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION, IF WE WANT TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS OR DELIBERATE, PLEASE PROCEED. CAN, CAN SOMEONE SHOW ME JUST WHERE THIS WINDOW IS ON THE PLAN? I'M SCROLLING THROUGH AND LOOKING. OKAY, SO IT'S THE WINDOW THAT'S FURTHEST TO THE LEFT. IT'S A LITTLE DARKER GREEN. OKAY. OH, SORRY. FOR REFERENCE, THERE'S A SMALL ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL CORNER, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT WINDOW IS BASICALLY ON THAT, JUST BEYOND THAT CORNER. AND AS WAS STATED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTION TO KEEPING IT ON THE OLDER PART. OKAY. [00:30:03] YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD BE FINE ALLOWING IT. I WENT OUT TO THE SITE FOR THIS PROPERTY. I MET THEM THERE. I MEAN THIS, THE, THE PLAN FROM THE LAST ONE WE SAW IS, IS MUCH IMPROVED. AND I'D ALSO JUST POINT OUT THAT WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LOSS OF HISTORIC MATERIAL AND THE HOUSE HAS A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE A LOT OF THE REAR STRUCTURE ANYWAY WITHOUT A C OF A JUST FOR MAINTENANCE. AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY TELL YOU THE FRONT PORCH IS CAVED IN AS WELL, THE FLOOR. AND IT WAS DAMAGED IN THE STORM ON THE EAST SIDE. SO, I MEAN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I'D RATHER THE WINDOW BE SAVED THAN THROWN IN THE DUMPSTER. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO JUST APPROVE. WELL, YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION. IT'S DONE SECOND. I SECOND HAVE A I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. DISCUSSION. YES. UH, THE FACT THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW IN WHERE IT'S THE ORIGINAL WINDOW I THINK SHOULD BE SAFE. HOWEVER, SINCE IT IS RIGHT NOW SET IN THE BACK AREA IN THE NEW ADDITION, WHAT HAPPENS IS IN THE FUTURE, THE NEW HOMEOWNER IS GONNA COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, NOW I WANT TO REPLACE THIS WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S IN THE REAR HALF OF THE HOUSE OR THE SIDE OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. TO ME THAT THAT IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE NOW THE THROW AWAY A GOOD WINDOW JUST BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, THAT, THAT WE CAN CONSIDER HYPOTHETICALS. YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN. I MEAN WE CAN, I MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT APPLICATION WAS IF IT EVER CAME IN FRONT OF US. YEAH. BUT, AND MY QUESTION I GUESS FOR STAFF WOULD BE, I MEAN THERE IS A RECORD, THIS RECORD OF THIS DECISION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WILL BE FOREVER. AND SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME BACK TO ALTER THIS APPLICATION, THIS IS GONNA BE REVIEWED AND PRESENTED. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE IDEA THAT THAT WHEN IS ORIGINAL WILL IN THEORY WILL TRACK WITH THIS PROJECT. SO, BUT I, I'LL ASK THAT OF STAFF. I MEAN, UM, I MEAN I THINK THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION IS FOR THAT WINDOW NOT TO DISAPPEAR IN SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON AN ORIGINAL WALL. IF, IF I MAY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER YAP. YES. BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD RATHER WHY NOT, UH, THE APPLICANT KEEP THE TWO ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND PUT THE THREE NEW WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THAT MAY BE AN ANSWER FOR MR. SAM JANKO IS THAT IF I LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, THE TWO EXISTING WINDOWS ARE THERE. SO WHY MOVE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND INSERT THE NEW ONES, THE THREE NEW WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND MOVE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, THE OLD ONES. IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON FOR THAT? YES. PART OF THE, UH, IN, IN NEGOTIATING THROUGH ALL THIS AND PULLING THE, THE SIDE IN AND DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE DID TO CORRECT THIS DRAWING TO GET APPROVAL, UH, WE, UH, HAVE THE KITCHEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. REMEMBER THAT STAIR WAS THERE MM-HMM . AND WE PUSHED THE KITCHEN ALL THE WAY AGAINST THAT WALL. ONCE WE HAD THE KITCHEN AGAINST THE WALL, WE, WE HAD THOSE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE TOO TALL FOR A KITCHEN 'CAUSE THEY WOULD BE BELOW THE COUNTERTOP. SO WE ASKED PERMISSION FROM THE STAFF TO MOVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T LOSE THEM AND THEN JUST PUT A KITCHEN WINDOW IN THAT SPACE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE MOVED THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE EXPLANATION FOR ME. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE COMPROMISE ON THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. COMMISSIONER, HAVE YOU, I MEAN, YOU COULD ASK TO HAVE A CONDITION PLACED ON THE MOTION THAT THAT WINDOW REMAIN PROTECTED THAT IS BEING MOVED ON TO THE NOT ORIGINAL WALL. YES. I WOULD LIKE THAT WINDOW TO BE PROTECTED. THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION IS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT IS MOVED TO THE NEW LOCATION TO BE PROTECTED FOR FUTURE PURPOSES. COMMISSIONER COSCO, YOU AGREE WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME AND I, IF I CAN, IF THAT'S A CONDITION IN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, YOU ALL ARE PROVING THE DESIGN THAT'S BEFORE YOU. SO THAT'S THE C OF A, SO THAT KEEPS THAT WINDOW THERE. UNLESS AND UNTIL IT COMES BACK TO YOU FOR A LATER CHANGE WITH SOME FUTURE OWNER OR REMODEL, UH, IT'S ALREADY PROTECTED BY THE FACT THAT THESE PLANS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE C OF A. OKAY. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE THIS WAY. YEAH. MM-HMM . YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH NO CONDITIONS. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, WE ARE JACKSON SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. IT'S ME AGAIN. UM, HELLO TERRANCE. ITEM NUMBER THREE. 1711 SHARON. ALRIGHT, [00:35:01] HERE WE GO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS TERRANCE JACKSON AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM B TWO. I'M SORRY, B THREE. I BET Y'ALL WERE READY TO PRE TO GO OVER THAT ONE, WEREN'T Y'ALL? OKAY, I'M SORRY, I SUBMIT, I JUST GOTTA SAY I, I'VE, MY SON TURNED 13 TODAY, SO I'M LIKE A, I'M NERVOUS WRECK . SO FORGIVE ME, I'M GETTING OLD. YOU'LL GRADUATE COLLEGE TOMORROW, JUST SO YOU KNOW. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. YEAH, I KNOW IT. OKAY. UM, THIS IS STAFF FOR PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON. AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM B THREE AT 1711 SHARON STREET A CONTI, A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN HIGH FIRST WARD, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1073 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED IN 19 ENCIRCA 1920. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ONE STORY REAR 567 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AND THE APPLICATION WILL CONSIST OF THE DEMOLITION OF AN 18 SQUARE FOOT NON-ORIGINAL EDITION AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOME, RAISING THE EXISTING RESIDENCE FROM ONE BLOCK TO TWO BLOCKS. RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, SIDING AND TRIM REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ASBESTOS SIDING AND REPAIR AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING BENEATH REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL DRIP EDGE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL DOOR AND REPLACED WITH AN EXISTING WINDOW FROM THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE, WHICH, UH, A WINDOW OPENING WAS ORIGINAL, WAS ORIGINAL TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE REMOVAL OF THE NON-ORIGINAL WOOD RAILS AT THE FRONT PORCH. THE APPLICANT AND OWNER WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE PORCH OPEN WITH NO RAILING ONCE REMOVED, RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING BRICK PORCH ELEMENTS AND THE STEPS WILL BE REBUILT. INSTALLATION OF NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW AT THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS AT THE FRONT 50% OF THE CONTRIBUTING HOME. ALL WINDOWS ARE TO BE INSET AND RECESSED. ONE AND THREE QUARTER INCHES INSET SHALL BE FROM THE FACE OF THE WINDOW UNIT TO THE FACE OF THE INTERIOR CASING. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THE CONDITION BEING THAT THE WINDOW AT THE, UH, THE BATHROOM WINDOW THAT IS PROPOSED, UM, THAT, THAT THE, UH, AGENT AND THE OWNER WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION. UM, CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE HHC, THE AGENT DAVID JEFFERS, IS AVAILABLE TO SPEAK AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TARYN. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS ITEM. I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP. UM, DAVID JEFFERS, PLEASE, UM, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AS WELL UNDER MICROPHONE. HOW YOU DOING? UH, HI. MY NAME IS DAVID JEFFERS. I'M THE AGENT FOR THE PROJECT AND THE ARCHITECT FOR IT. UM, I REALLY JUST WANNA MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UM, MYSELF AND THE OWNER ARE OPEN TO ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS FOR THE WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE AT THE BATHROOM. UM, THERE WAS NOT A WINDOW THERE ORIGINALLY. WE'RE USING THOSE, THAT SIDE FOR TWO BEDROOMS WITH A BATHROOM IN THE MIDDLE. I DO BELIEVE WE NEED LIGHT AND VENTILATION THERE. WE'D BE OPEN TO A SQUARE WINDOW, UH, VERTICAL PROPORTION. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE FRONT PORCH CLEAR. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THOSE RAILS ARE ORIGINAL AT THE FRONT. IT IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO REQUIRE A GUARDRAIL PER THE IRC. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS EVERYTHING. MOSTLY WANNA MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME. NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ITEM? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE MR. COUCH. THE SECOND FRONT DOOR. DID THEY VERIFY IF THAT WAS NOT ORIGINAL? YES SIR, WE DID. AND THERE'S A PHOTO, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE GHOSTING RIGHT OVER THE RIGHT OVER THE DOOR. BUT THE, UH, THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE THE SAME, UH, [00:40:02] THREE WINDOW PATTERN, LIKE BAY WINDOW PATTERN GOING ON. UM, AND NONE OF THEM HAVE A DOOR. UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, WE LOOKED CLOSELY ON THE PORCH AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE GHOSTING RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THE DOOR AND IT PERFECTLY ALIGNS WITH THE WINDOWS THAT ARE UH, INSTALLED NOW. HEY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER? YAP. UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE. UH, FOR THE ARCHITECT OR? SURE. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK UP. YEAH, THE, UM, UH, I HEARD THAT THE, UH, HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE RAISED AT LEAST ONE BLOCK HIGH FURTHER, ONE FURTHER, ONE BLOCK HIGH. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE, UH, TWO FRONT POSTS, UH, THAT ARE ATTACH AS WELL AS THE STEPS? AND THEN, UH, AS I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS HOUSE IS SITTING ON BRICKS OR SITTING ON CINDER BLOCKS, BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA ADDRESS RAISING THAT EIGHT INCHES TO ADDRESS THE FRONT PORCH FIRST? THAT IS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST ISSUE WHEN WE RAISE HOUSES THAT HAVE MASONRY AT THE FRONT. THE INTENTION HERE IS TO KEEP THE MASONRY PILLARS AND PEDESTALS AS IS DEMOLISH THE WOOD TRIM AT THE UPPER PORTION AND THEN REBUILD A NEW UPPER WOOD PORTION TO MATCH THE EXISTING DETAILS OF THIS ONE. SINCE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DRAWING DOCUMENTATION AND PHOTO DOCUMENTATION, IT SEEMS MUCH EASIER TO REPAIR THE WOOD THAN TO HAVE TO PATCH AND REPAIR THE MASONRY. UM, THE STEPS AT THE FRONT RIGHT NOW ARE BRICK, IT IS, IN MY MY OPINION, UNFORTUNATE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO DEMOLISH THOSE STEPS AND REBUILD THEM EITHER OUT OF MASONRY OR WOOD. UM, SO THAT IS OUR INTENTION FOR THE FRONT PORCH. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE BLOCKS. I BELIEVE THIS HOUSE IS ON CMU OR A COMBINATION OF CMU AND BRICK. IT'S ONLY ABOUT EIGHT INCHES ABOVE GRADE AT THE MOMENT. IT IS. THE OWNER HAD TO DO SOME REPAIR WORK WHEN HE PURCHASED IT. THEY HAD TO GO IN FROM THE FLOOR ABOVE JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET UNDER THE HOUSE PROPERLY. SO I THINK IT'S NECESSARY JUST FOR, TO AVOID MOISTURE AND FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND FUTURE MAINTENANCE TO GET THAT HOUSE UP AT LEAST 16 INCHES FROM THE RIM JOIST TO GRADE. SURE. AND I KNOW CITY CODE REQUIRES AT LEAST 18 INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE FLOOR JOIST TO THE GROUND. YEAH, UH, FOR THE SAME REASON. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO. UM, AND I BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS ACTUALLY REPLACE THE PIERS AT BOTH THE EXISTING AND THE NEW HOUSE. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAVE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE AT ALL, BUT THE EXIST, BUT THE CURRENT EXISTING ARE BRICKS OR ACTUALLY CMU. THE PHOTOS I HAVE, I BELIEVE SHOW CMU, UM, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME BRICK ONES UNDERNEATH. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED UNDER THAT HOUSE, SO I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY IF THERE'S A COMBO UNDER THERE. YEAH, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT ONES UNDER THE HOUSE. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONE ON THE FRONT FACADE. IF THERE WERE BRICKS THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE THAT AFTER ALL THE, THE, THE PORCH STEPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS BRICK AS WELL. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL CMU, THEY'RE CMU AT THE FRONT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THEY LOOK LIKE CMU, THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL CMU ON THE PERIMETER, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN ADD A NOTE OR A CONDITION THAT THE MASONRY AT THE FRONT THREE SIDES OF THE EXISTING, WHATEVER THE NEW MASONRY IS ON THE PIERS WILL JUST MATCH WHATEVER'S EXISTING. CURRENTLY, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I GUESS I'LL ASK A QUESTION. SO ON THE, ON THESE CMU BLOCKS, DO THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OLD ORIGINAL CMU BLOCKS OR LIKE THESE, LIKE THESE ORIGINAL MIGHT HAVE BEEN BRICK, THEY FELL APART AND GOT REPLACED ALONG THE WAY, WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS AND, AND I, IN THAT CASE, PEOPLE JUST USE BLOCK BACK IN THE DAY. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY ANY OLDER OR HISTORIC OR, OR ARCHIVE PHOTOS OF THIS HOUSE. UM, THEY LOOK NEWER, LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A TEXTURE ON THEM, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST THE GRAY CMUS. SO IF THEY WERE DONE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DONE, I DUNNO, 50 YEARS AGO, 40 30. UM, THE INTENTION WAS JUST TO USE NEW CMU. UM, IF WE CAN PROVE THAT THERE'S BRICK, I'M FINE WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE MATCH WHATEVER IS ORIGINAL. IF IT CAN BE SHOWN THAT ANOTHER MASONRY, MASONRY WAS ORIGINAL, BUT I, I CAN'T TELL THE HOUSE HAS BEEN HEAVILY, HEAVILY MODIFIED IN TERMS OF THE SIDING AND THE INTERIOR LAYOUT. SO IT'S HIGHLY POSSIBLE THAT THOSE CMUS ARE NOT ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? I HAVE A COMMENT PLEASE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMEND THE ARCHITECT FOR THE DESIGN FOR THE WAY THAT IT LEAVES THE BACK CORNER, UH, FREE. SO IT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN THEN SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE SORT OF CONTOURS WERE. SO I JUST POINTED OUT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I'M AM SURE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS THAT DON'T, UH, REVEAL THE CORNER. SO THANKS FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER [00:45:01] AUER JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECONDS? I HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER ITEM SIX AND SEVEN TOGETHER? I'LL ASK STAFF IF I THINK. OKAY. SO WE'LL NOW CONSIDER ITEM SIX AND SEVEN. YES, I THINK THEY'RE RELATED. I'M SORRY. I WAS DOUBLE CHECKING THE, DID THEY STAY ON CONSENT? DID THEY NOT? SO YEAH, DID YOU HAVE THEM VOTE? GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. STAFF MEMBER YASMINE ARSLAN HERE I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEMS V SIX AND SEVEN. KIM, IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY? OKAY. I I DO THINK THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE, IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDE YOU HAVE TO TAKE SEPARATE MOTIONS BECAUSE YOU LIKE ONE AND NOT THE OTHER, THEN PLEASE CONSIDER DOING THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM, UM, TO THE MOTION. THERE MAY BE TWO MOTIONS, BUT WE'LL HAVE ONE PRESENTATION. CORRECT? SHE COULD WORK THROUGH BOTH YOU, YOU CAN WORK THROUGH I THINK YASMINE BOTH, UM, PRESENTATIONS. OKAY, I'LL, I CAN MULTITASK. OKAY. UM, THE PROPERTY AT 1131 ALSTON STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,242 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY WOOD FAMILY SINGLE WOOD STORE, WHICH FRAME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A 613 SQUARE FOOT. TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE SITUATED ON A 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920. LOCATED IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT WEST. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE ORIG OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AND A TWO STORY GARAGE. THE PROPOSED ADDITION ON THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE, UM, A 335 SQUARE FOOT FIRST FLOOR FLOOR REAR EDITION. THAT IS, UM, INSIDE, ON BOTH SIDES. THERE WILL BE A 294 UM, SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO THAT CONNECTS TO THE TWO STORY GARAGE WITH CONDITIONED SPACE ON TOP OF A PART OF THE REAR PATIO. THE FIRST FLOOR SIDE ADDITION THAT IS, UM, IS TWO FEET OFFSET ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE 944 AND IT ENCROACHES ENCROACHES OVER, UM, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FOR 25%. THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE AT 28 FEET AND FOUR AND SEVEN EIGHTHS. ALL NEW WINDOWS WILL BESET AND RECESSED. THE ADDITION WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH SIX INCH EXPOSURE SIDING. AS FOR THE NEW GARAGE, THE TWO STORY GARAGE IS CONNECTED TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH A REAR PATIO, UM, ENCLO WITH A REAR PATIO THAT IS AN ENCLOSED PORCH AND WITH A ROOF ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING TO STORY GARAGE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 589 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE WITH A SECOND STORY THAT IS 691 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE APARTMENT. THE GARAGE WILL HAVE A FIVE OVER 12, UM, HIP GABLE ROOF. THE GARAGE WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH SIX, WITH SIX INCH EXPOSURE, AND WILL HAVE A RIDGE HEIGHT OF 25 25 FEET, EIGHTH, UM, EIGHT AND EIGHTH INCH. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS IT DOES NOT FOR THE ADDITION, IT DOES NOT SATISFY CRITERIA 10 AND HOUSTON HEIGHTS, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE EXPLANATION UNDER CRITERIA 10, CERTAINLY THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS MASSING IS INCOMPATIBLE AND MUCH LARGER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. IT IS INCOMPATIBLE TO THE SIZE, SCALE, AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. AS FOR THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE SECOND STORY CONDITION SPACE ABOVE PORCH SPACE, THAT IS NOT A TYPICAL HISTORIC PORCH DIMENSION AND IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE QUALITATIVE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AS FOR THE GARAGE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND IT DOES NOT SATISFY CRITERIA THREE AND DOESN'T MEET THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS. UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH A REAR PATIO THAT HAS SEVERAL WALLS AND IS CONNECTED ON [00:50:01] THE SECOND FLOOR VIA THE ROOF. THEREFORE, THE GARAGE SHOULDN'T BE EXEMPT FROM FAR AND LOT COVERAGE. THAT CONCLUDES, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU YAME. I'M, THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. UH, THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE, UM, IS, IS IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS JOSE CORDOVA. IF YOU COULD PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JOSE CORDOVA. I AM WITH, UH, BRICK MOON DESIGN AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING OUR CLIENTS AT 1131 ALSTON. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, STAFF'S TIME ALSO FOR REVIEWING THE PROJECT. I'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT. IN REGARDS TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, WE DON'T AGREE ON THE WAY THAT HISTORIC IS CALCULATING THE FAR CALCULATION PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE WOULD BE OVER THE ALLOWED, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE BY 214 SQUARE FEET. AND THERE ARE THREE MAIN REASONS WHY WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING CALCULATED. UM, FOR ONE, WE'VE BEEN DOING SEVERAL PROJECTS WITH HISTORIC, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT PATIO UNDER SECOND FLOOR AC SPACE HAS TO BE COUNTED INTO THE FAR WE'VE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS WHERE THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF CATCHING US OFF GUARD. NOWHERE IN THE GUIDELINES DOES IT STATE THAT SECOND FLOOR AC SPACE OVER PATIO WILL TRIGGER THAT ISSUE. NUMBER TWO, UH, IS THAT THIS HOUSE IS A HEIGHTS DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTY. AND THE REASON WHY THAT MATTERS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RESTRICTION, IF I CAN READ IT FOR Y'ALL, 2.0 5G, EACH RESIDENCE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH A PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION OR IF NOT A PIER AND BEAM, A FOUNDATION THAT OTHERWISE RAISES THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE RESIDENCE NO LESS THAN TWO FEET FROM GROUND ELEVATION. FOR THAT REASON, WE CANNOT BUILD THIS PATIO AS AC SPACE, WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE COUNTED IN THE FAR. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE PRECEDENTS ON PREVIOUS PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE DONE PATIOS, UH, AT GRADE LEVEL THAT WERE NOT COUNTED IN THE FOUR CALCULATIONS. WE HAVE 8 2 6 CORTLAND STREET THAT WE GOT A COA FOR 1524 ASHLAND STREET THAT WE GOT A COA FOR. AND THEN 1326 COURTLAND THAT WAS ALSO WE GOT A COA, UH, FOR AND, AND NONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE, WE ASKED TO PUT THE PATIO INTO THE FAR CALCULATIONS IN REGARDS TO MASSING AND SO ON. I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE IN REGARDS TO THAT. YES. OKAY. UM, I KNOW THAT IN THE GUIDELINES, UM, THAT DEFINE PORCHES, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, MOST OF THE PORCHES IN THE AREA ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THERE ARE VERY FEW PORCHES THAT ARE EITHER ON THE REAR OF THE HOMES OR THE SIDE OF THE HOMES. SO THEY ARE VERY MUCH AN OUTLIER ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE GUIDELINES THAT DEFINES WHAT IS A PORCH. AND THE COMMENT FROM STAFF, I THINK WAS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT OF THOSE RAREFIED PORCHES AT OUR REAR, LIKE A SIDE LIKE REAR OR SIDE PORCHES, UM, A PORCH WOULD BE SIMILAR PROPORTION IN SIZE TO THOSE. AND ALSO THERE IS A PROVISION THAT YOU CAN ADD A PORCH ONTO THE MASSING. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT SAYS THAT MASS PORCHES CAN BE CONSIDERED IN A REAR ADDITION, ESPECIALLY IF THEY BREAK DOWN MASSING, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS PUMPING UP THE MASSING. SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS PROVISION WAS MADE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE, THE FAR WITH THE FAR IS BASED ON AMASSING MODEL THAT THE PUBLIC LOOKED AT. 80, 80 PLUS PERCENT PEOPLE VOTED ON A MASSING OF A FAR AND AGREED TO TACK ON PORCHES TO, TO THOSE MASSES. AND IF THEY WERE NOT ENCLOSED IN GLASS OR SITING, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED NOT PART OF THE FAR. SO I THINK THAT THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT, AND THE, THE, THAT THAT CAVEAT IN THE GUIDELINES WAS TALK ABOUT ALLOWING PORCHES WITHIN REAR ADDITIONS. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY, YOU KNOW, BREAK DOWN THE MASSING. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THAT PORCH WERE MOVED TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE FIRST FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR MOVED TO THE FIRST FLOOR, THEN THE MASSING WOULD BE BROKEN DOWN. AND, AND THIS WOULDN'T BE, THIS WOULD BE A MUTE POINT. SO I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THAT'S, IT'S PART OF THE, THE GUIDELINES HAVE, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT REFERENCES TO PORCHES IN THE GUIDELINES AND UM, AND PART OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE MASSING. AND THAT'S ALSO WHY IF LIKE A FRONT PORCH WAS ENCLOSED WITH WINDOWS OR SIDING, [00:55:01] IT IS CONSIDERED A PART OF THE FAR BECAUSE IT ADDS TO THE OVERALL MASSING VISUALLY OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION I THINK THAT WE'RE AT HAND. AND SO WHEN PORCHES GET LARGER THAN A NORMAL PORCH, THEN THIS ISSUE HAS BECOME AN ISSUE, UM, WITH THIS COMMISSION. BUT I'LL OPEN IT TO OTHER QUESTIONS IF ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICANT. I DO. AND I, I AM A LITTLE HESITANT TO, TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I, WE HAVE TALKED IN RECENT MEETINGS ABOUT HOW EACH PROJECT STAND, ITS ON IT ITS OWN. UM, SO WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED PREVIOUSLY DOESN'T FACTOR INTO THE DECISION OF STAFF OR THE COMMISSION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. IT STANDS ON ITS OWN. UM, BUT I AM, WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK CHAIR EK'S POINT, UH, IT IS, WAS SO WELL MADE. I MEAN, IF YOU FLIP THAT AND IT BREAKS UP THE MASSING, UH, THEN I THINK THIS IS AN APPROVAL. UM, BUT I, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW IN ALL THE OTHER, UM, REAR COVERED PORCHES THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THIS SEEMS TREMENDOUSLY LARGER THAN ANYTHING THAT I CAN RECALL US MOVING FORWARD IN THE PAST. UM, AND, AND I DON'T NEED YOU TO READ THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR ARGUMENT. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT SPACE THAT'S COVERED BY CONDITIONS FACE ABOVE. THANK YOU. IF I COULD JUST RESPOND TO THAT. UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A MAYBE TO SOME AND THEN NO TO OTHERS IF IT'S, IF THERE IS A STRICT FAR, IT SHOULD BE A YES OR NO, NOT A YES. AND THEN MAYBE ON SOME, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR YOU'RE GOING OVER THE FAR, WELL, RESPECTFULLY, I MEAN I THINK WE AT LEAST I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I SEE THIS AS A, AS A WAY TO WORK AROUND THE ORDINANCE. SO CONGRATULATIONS, Y'ALL FOUND A WAY TO, TO WORK AROUND THAT ORDINANCE. I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, THIS IS WAY OVERSTEPPING WHAT IS PALATABLE AS A VOTING MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION. WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DIGESTIBLE. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? I DO HAVE THREE OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM. OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. UM, THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS, UM, I THINK IT'S, IS IT PIN ART OR MIGHT BE SOME DIFFICULTY JUST READING THE, UH, THE SIGNATURE ON THE FORM. SO APOLOGIES IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, UM, EVERYONE, UM, I'M TIM SIRI , SET ME ON THE PHONE. I'M THE, UH, APPLICANT. OKAY. YEAH, UM, JUST, UH, WANT TO, UM, BE HERE AND, UM, BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND, UM, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO UM, MENTION IS THAT THE INTENTION OF, UH, THE USE OF THE SPACE IS TO BE OUTDOOR AND NO CONDITION. UM, AS YOU SEE, I'M LIKE ASIAN, I'M FROM THAILAND, I LIKE HOT WEATHER. SO IT, IT WOULDN'T LIKE, UM, AND AS YOU SEE IN THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN, WE PLAN TO USE IT AS A OUTDOOR KITCHEN. WE LIKE TO COOK AND, UM, WE HAVE NO INTENTION TO USE IT AS A INDOOR SPACE. AND IT WOULD BE LOOKING VERY WEIRD IF WE USE IT AS AN INDOOR SPACE BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, WIN BIG WINDOWS THAT WE WANT THE LIGHT TO COME INTO THE HOUSE. AND, UM, SIMILARLY TO, UM, UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS YOU TALK ABOUT EARLIER, IF, UM, ANYONE WANT TO CLOSE IT OFF OR MAKE IT AN ENDORSE BASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER APPLICATION. SO YOU COULD HAVE A DENY THAT APPLICATION. BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO, UH, SPECULATED, UM, ON THE FUTURE USE OR OR FUTURE, UM, OWNER OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. BLAKELY? I, I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THAT THAT IS MAYBE A SECONDARY ISSUE TO THE OVERALL LARGE SCALE OF THE ADDITIONS. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MASSING, UH, I WOULD PERSONALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASSING OF THE PROJECT, SO HOW MUCH SPACE IT [01:00:01] TAKES UP, HOW MUCH LARGER THE ADDITION IS THAN THE ORIGINAL, EVEN IF NOT, EVEN IF THERE WERE NOT THIS ISSUE OF THE COVERED PORCH. YEAH. UM, AND ALSO LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU WOULD NOT LIKE SEE THAT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S, IF WE LOOK AT THE DRAWING, IT'S LIKE TWICE AS TALL AS THE ORIGINAL, THE ADDITIONS TWICE AS TALL. AND ALSO YOU WOULDN'T ONLY SEE IT FROM THE FRONT, YOU'D ALSO SEE IT FROM THE SIDE. I MEAN, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE HOUSES THAT LIKE HALF SECOND FLOOR, IT'S WOULD BE TWICE TALL. IT'S LIKE THE NATURE OF EXTENDING UPSTAIRS. IS THAT NOT THE CASE WITH OTHER PROJECTS? THE SPIRIT OF RESERVATION IS TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT ALSO MEANS RESPECTING THE DIMENSIONS AND PROPORTIONS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES. SO IF YOU PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT IS SHAPED VERY DIFFERENTLY AND MUCH LARGER AS AN ADDITION, IT SEEMS A BIT NOT, IT SEEMS, I I I WONDER IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT'S MORE RESPECTFUL OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE OR TO, TO PLAY OFF THAT AND, AND TO RESPECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE OUTDOOR SPACE. YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME COMPROMISE IN PULLING BACK ON SOME OF THE FIRST FLOOR CONDITION SPACE THAT YOU HAVE TRADING THAT FOR THE OUTDOOR SPACE? UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE OVERALL MASS IS REDUCED? UH, I'M NOT SURE. UM, LIKE TO, TO REDUCE, UH, THE CONDITIONS BASED OFF THE FIRST FLOOR. MM-HMM . I MEAN, I'M JUST OFFERING, YEAH, I'M ALTERNATIVES TO THINK ABOUT ONE THING IS THAT THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW COULD, SORRY, COULD YOU I'M WITH THERE AS WELL. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU ANNOUNCE YOURSELF? I'M ALSO ON THERE AS WELL. YES. COULD YOU, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YEAH, DEVIN ATH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND SO, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR, ONE THING THAT SORT OF, UH, MAYBE ISN'T EXPLAINED AS WELL IS THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW IS TWO STORIES. SO IT'S NOT AS IF THAT'S EXPANDING MASSING AT ALL. THE, THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS, WHAT IS IT? 1200, 12 50 SQUARE FEET. THE HOUSE ITSELF, UH, IT'S ONLY THE MAJORITY OF THE EXPANSION IS ON THAT SECOND FLOOR. AND SO YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE GROUND FLOOR SPACE OBVIOUSLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY. BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF IS ONLY 2,700 SQUARE FEET OR SO. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. IT'S 2,700 SQUARE FEET, IT'S A THREE, TWO, IT'S NOT SOME MASSIVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WHEN YOU SAY MASSING NEEDS TO COME DOWN, IT'S, IT'S A THREE, TWO, AND CANDIDLY A COUPLE OF THE ROOMS ARE 10 BY 10. WELL RESPECT, THEY'RE JUST SMALL, BUT IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, RIGHT? IF THE HOUSE NOW IS 1250 AND 27. SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE MORE THAN DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE, 27 THAT INCLUDES THE GARAGE, THE PART OF IT INCLUDES THE GARAGE. BUT THE, UH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET ITSELF IN TERMS OF THE MASSING ON THE STREET AND THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET, EVERY HOUSE ON THE STREET OUTSIDE OF TWO HAVE BEEN REHABBED THAT ARE QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN OURS. ALL OF THEM ARE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET, BOTH ACROSS THE STREET IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO HOUSES DOWN, UH, AND THEN ALL THE HOUSES GOING NORTH, THERE'S THREE HOUSES ALL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER ONES ARE ALL SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER. SO IN TERMS OF THE MASSING ON THE STREET, IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, I HEAR YOU IN TERMS OF EACH CASE ON ITS OWN, BUT TO JOSE'S EARLIER POINT, WHEN YOU DO IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND YOU HAVE SOVEREIGN INSTANCES WHERE YOU DO IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN TERMS OF HOW THAT FAR IS CALCULATED, AND THEN WE PICK OUT INSTANCES WHERE WE WANNA APPLY IT DIFFERENTLY, UM, THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, UH, DISINGENUOUS TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE COMING IN AFTER, UH, AND TRYING TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING. UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS HIS POINT IN TERMS OF THE FAR CALCULATION. IF YOU SEARCH, AND I DID SOME RESEARCH IN TERMS OF HOW FAR IS CALCULATED, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THERE'S NOWHERE, I, I RESEARCHED A HUNDRED CITIES CANDIDLY AND COULDN'T FIND ONE WHERE IT WAS CALCULATED CONSISTENT WITH HOW, UH, Y'ALL ARE APPLYING IT. AND CANDIDLY IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH HOW YOU'VE APPLIED IT BEFORE. IN TERMS OF THE MASSING, JUST GIVEN, HOW MANY HOUSES, UH, HAVE BEEN, HAVE PASSED IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN TERMS OF, TO YOUR POINT, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, BEING DOUBLE THE, THE SIZE? UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL CANDIDATES THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO CONSISTENCY TO ME IS ALSO IMPORTANT IN ADDITION TO ALL THESE OTHER PRINCIPLES THAT WE TEND TO ESPOUSE. AND UM, [01:05:01] ALSO, UM, IT'S NOT DOUBLE THE SIZE. IT WOULD BE LESS THAN DOUBLE THE SIZE IF WE INCLUDE THE GARAGE APARTMENT. THE EXISTING GARAGE APARTMENT, UM, IS 600 SQUARE FEET, SO THE TOTAL IS ABOUT 800, 1800 SQUARE FEET. IF WE DOUBLE THE SIZE, IT'LL BE 3,200 SQUARE FEET. YES, 3,600. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT IS LESS THAN DOUBLE IN TERMS OF YES. THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE THAT MR. DEPARTMENT EXISTS NOW. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. I GUESS YOU ARE ALSO PART, PART OF THE ARCHITECT, TIM, THAT'S DRAWING THIS? UH, NO, SHE'S THE, UH, APPLICANT, THE OWNER ON THE OWNERSHIP. THE A GO AHEAD. SORRY. I'M THE APPLICANT. NO, I'M ASKING ABOUT YOU, YOU THE APPLICANT AS WELL? NO, I'M JUST WITH HER. OH, OKAY. YEAH. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT, ACTUALLY. THAT'S OKAY. WELL, I HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC SPEAKER. LET ME, LET ME BRING UP ONE MORE SPEAKER AND THEN WE COULD CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS. WE COULD BRING BACK THE BRICK MOON. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA, I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGN UP WITH THIS JUSTIN PATTERSON. HELLO ALL. JUSTIN PATTERSON BRICK MOON DESIGN. CLEARLY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN PRESENTED AS IT DOES MEET THE FAR CALCULATIONS. IF, AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS, UM, IN THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS, IT DEFINES EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT. THERE'S NO GRAY AREA. IT IS A BLACK AND WHITE PROCESS. UNFORTUNATELY, YASMINE DID SAY THAT IT WAS AN ENCLOSED PORCH. IT IS NOT AN ENCLOSED PORCH. IT IS AN OPEN AIR PORCH THAT DOES HAVE A CEILING. UM, IN THE GUIDELINES, IT CL IT CLEARLY STATES YOU EXCLUDE THOSE. UM, IN OUR STAFF REPORT, IT SATISFIES EVERY CONDITION THAT IS THAT I, THAT I'M SEEING. UH, ONE THROUGH FIVE ARE BLANK OR ONE THROUGH SIX ARE BLANK. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ARE ALL SATISFIES. IT SATISFIES THE HEIGHTS MEASURABLE STANDARDS FOR MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE. AND THEN THE ONLY ONE THAT IS NOT MEETING ACCORDING TO THE STAFF IS THE FLOOR AIR RATIO. BUT THAT GOES BACK TO HOW IS IT CALCULATED. UM, I WAS ACTUALLY THE PROJECT MANAGER AND DESIGNER FOR THE TWO PROJECTS. TWO OF THE THREE PROJECTS THAT WERE USED AS EXAMPLES OF HOW BIG AND HOW A REAR PATIO ISN'T COUNTED. EVEN WITH AC ABOVE IT ON 1326, WE HAVE A 633 SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO WITH LIVING FOOTAGE ABOVE IT. HAD IT BEEN INCLUDED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN 96 SQUARE FEET OVER THE FAR. UM, AGAIN, MASSING AND ALL THIS IS 2,904 SQUARE FEET, 25% OF THE REAR CAN BE COVERED. TWO FOOT INSET, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 30 FEET. WE'RE BELOW THAT. UM, IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT BACK. IT'S A, IT'S THE OLD CAMEL PACK. UM, AND THE EXISTING GARAGE IS AN EYESORE. THE NEW ONE IS NOT. IT'S IN LINE AND IT GIVES THE, IT CONDENSES THE YARD. IT ORDER FOR THE CLIENTS TO ENJOY THE YARD AND THE HEIGHTS AND THE TREES AND THE ENVIRONMENT LIKE THEY'RE WANTING TO. UM, I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WELL, MR. PATTERSON, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION, IS IF THE CLIENT WOULD CONSIDER DETACHING THE GARAGE. I MEAN, I THINK IF, IF THAT IS OFFSET AGAIN, THEN THE MASSING, UM, SIGN, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS SIGNIFICANT. EVERYTHING'S A CONVERSATION , SO, YEAH. AND I THINK, I MEAN, AGAIN, BUT YOUR, YOUR POSITION IS HONESTLY THAT YOU CAN ADD ANY SIZE PORCH ON THE BACK AND PUT SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND WOULD YOU TELL THIS COMMISSION THAT THAT WOULD NOT ADD TO THE VISUAL MASS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE OVERALL STRUCTURE? SO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AGREE. AND, AND THAT'S REALLY, AND, AND SO WHEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE A PORCH, IT'S LARGER THAN A NORMAL PORCH. AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE IDEA HERE IS TO GET A LARGER PORCH BECAUSE OF RES AND, AND OTHER THINGS. BUT LIKE, LIKE THE SAME PROJECT, IF PART OF THE SECOND FLOOR WAS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, PART OF THAT FIRST FLOOR PORCH PUSHED OUT, THE VISUAL MASS WOULD GO DOWN THE PORCH SIDE SIZE COULD REMAIN. I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, CHANGING WITH THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF A STRUCTURE. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE'S A SITE AND THERE'S OTHER SITE CONDITIONS AND THAT'S WHY EVERY PROJECT IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT. AGREED. BUT, BUT IT'S THE VISUAL MASS THAT IS REALLY, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, DOESN'T GO LIKE THE FAR IS ONE ASPECT, BUT THE VISUAL MASS THAT'S CREATED IS STILL PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT. AND SO EVEN IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT PORCHES AND WE JUST FOCUS ON THE MASS, THAT'S PART OF WHY I THINK THERE'S A, CURRENTLY THERE'S A DENIAL, WHICH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD ASK FOR A DEFERRAL AND WE COULD TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THIS AGAIN. BUT, UM, IT'S A VISUAL MASS. I THINK THAT'S LARGELY THE, THE BIGGEST ELEMENT HERE IN THE WAY THAT THE GARAGES IS ATTACHED TO ALL OF THIS VISUAL MASS. IT DOESN'T [01:10:01] APPEAR TO BE SEPARATE STRUCTURES SO MUCH AS IF IT DID. LIKE IN OTHER CASES, FOLKS HAVE EITHER PUT A, MADE THE CONNECTOR TO THE REAR GARAGE, A ONE STORY MASS WITH THE ROOF, BUT AGAIN, SOME HAVE PUT THEIR PORCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE. AND SO THERE'S LIKE, APPEARS TO BE TWO MASSES ON THE SITE. AND THOSE, THOSE ARE TWO WAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT HERE TO GET TO KIND OF ASK FOR SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGES ON A SIMILAR SMALL STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT. SO IT'S JUST EVERY CASE IS ITS OWN CASE. SURE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY. SORRY, BUT SO CAN I, CAN I RESPOND PLEASE? YEAH, PLEASE. I ASKED A QUESTION. I AM, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT, NOT A GUARANTEED, UH, BUT IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION. LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING IS A DISCUSSION. CHANGING THE ROOF PITCH OF THAT PORCH TO GET IT A LITTLE LOWER IS DEFINITELY, I THINK WOULD BE ON THE TABLE. HOWEVER, THE WIDTH OF THAT PORCH IS NOT WIDER THAN THE EXISTING HOUSE. WE'VE HAD SOME PROJECTS IN THE PAST, AGAIN, SEPARATE CASE THAT DO GO OUT 15 FOOT THAT YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE. IT'S ONE STORY, AND I GET IT, BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE PORCH AND THE PORCH CONNECTION FROM THE STREET, I THINK DEVALUES THE IMPORTANCE OF HOW THAT MASS IS, IS SEEN. BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A 2D VERSION, WHICH WILL NEVER BE SEEN IN REAL LIFE. IT'S ONLY FOR ON PAPER. AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL SEE IT ARE DRONE OPERATORS, I GUESS, UM, . SO A ROOF PITCH CHANGE, MAYBE A PLATE HEIGHT CHANGE ON THE RIGHT, BUT KEEPING IT OPEN AND AIR AND ON GRADE TO THE FUTURE POTENTIAL POOL IS THE GOAL TO AN ACCESS AND ACTIVATE THE SPACE TO WHERE IT ALL IS THE SAME PLANE AND LIVES AS ONE. AND THE KIND OF, IN MY BRAIN, I'M HEARING IT'S MASSING, BUT IT STARTED AS FAR. SO IF I TAKE FAR AND SHOW THAT IT'S CALCULATED HOW IT, AND I HATE TO SOUND LIKE AN OLD PERSON, THIS IS JUST THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT BASED ON THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF YOU TAKE THE FAR, IT IS 29 0 4 PER THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT AND HAVE BEEN DOING IT PER THE GUIDELINES, THEN THE MASSING DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S NO FAR ISSUE AT ALL IN MY BRAIN. BUT, UM, IF I COULD POINT OUT CRITERION THREE, UH, THE SCALE AND PROPORTIONS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING THE RELATIONSHIP OF WIDTH AND ROOF LINE, OVERALL HEIGHT AND SO FORTH, THAT IS, IS WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY MASSING. UM, IT'S NOT SIMPLY, IT'S NOT A NON-ISSUE. IT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA. SO PART OF THAT CRITERIA GOES BACK TO THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS OF THE GUIDELINES, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE SET TO BEGIN WITH. WELL, SCALE HEIGHT OF PROPORTION ARE NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT LIKE QUANTI, QUANTIT QUANTITATIVE, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN WE SAY THE SCALES SHOULD BE CONSISTENT, WE'RE NOT OUT MEASURING, UH, ALL THE TIME. WE OFTEN SAY, WELL, IT'S SIMILAR, UM, OR DISSIMILAR AS IN THIS CASE. SO I JUST APPRECIATE, UM, HOW FRUSTRATING IT MUST BE IF YOU'VE CALCULATED FAR IN THE PAST BEFORE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE, THE OVERALL SIZE OF WHAT IS BEING ADDED WITH RESPECT TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS, UH, AN UNDERLYING CONCERN EVEN, UH, COMPARABLE TO THE FAR ISSUE. SO CAN I RESPOND? OKAY, PLEASE. AND THIS IS JUST FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES FOR US. ASSUME THE PORCH IS THE SAME WIDTH AS THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION. DOES THAT CHANGE THE MASSING FOR YOU? OR IS THE SECOND FLOOR MASSING ITSELF, EXCLUDING THE PORCH OVERSIZED? I AM CONCERNED THAT THE MASSING OF THAT CONNECTOR PIECE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL VOLUME HOUSE AND GARAGE IS, IT'S LIKE ANOTHER HOUSE ALMOST. UM, IN TERMS OF ITS SCALE, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THAT MIDDLE PIECE LOOKS TO ME ALMOST THE SAME SIZE AS THE ORIGINAL. SO, UM, THAT IS SORT OF WHERE ALARM BELLS START TO GO OFF FOR ME IN TERMS OF PROPORTION THAT YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN ONE SIZE AND YOU'RE ADDING SO MUCH THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE WHOLE THING STARTS TO BE DETERMINED PARTLY AND EVEN MAYBE EVEN MORE BY WHAT'S ADDED OR BY THIS, UM, SORT OF HYBRID OF THE TWO TOGETHER. OKAY. AND, AND I'LL JUST SAY, LOOK, WHEN THE FAR WAS CREATED, IT WAS BASED ON A MASSING MODEL THAT DID NOT INCLUDE PORCHES WITHIN THE MASS. IT WAS AC [01:15:01] SPACE. LET, LET'S TO, TO BE JUST TO, TO STICK TO THAT. SO THAT AC SPACE ON LEVELS ONE AND TWO AND HOW BIG THEY WERE VISUALLY IS WHAT THE PUBLIC VOTED ON. AND SO, AND THE UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU COULD TACK ON A PORCH ALL DAY LONG AND YOU STILL CAN. UM, BUT IT'S, WHEN YOU PUT UP ONE A, ESPECIALLY A SUPER LARGE ONE STORY PORCH ON LEVEL ONE, AND THEN PUT A MASS ON LEVEL TWO, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ON LEVEL ONE IF IT, IF THE PORCH WASN'T THERE. THAT'S CHANGING THE MASSING VISUALLY FROM THE STREET THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING. WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FAR SAYS, BUT THE FAR WASN'T BASED ON HOW YOU'RE USING THE MODEL. WELL, IT'S JUST HARD TO, AND SO AND SO, AND YOU HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE GUIDELINES TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT, WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUT A PORCH IN A REAR ADDITION, ESPECIALLY INTO THIS QUOTE QUOTE, ESPECIALLY IF IT BREAKS DOWN THE OVERALL MASSING. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE. THE REVERSE IS HAPPENING HERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS, THIS IMPASSE, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU, YOU KEEP SAYING YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE ONE PIECE OF THIS. THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES, THERE'S ALSO AN ORDINANCE AND ALL OF IT IS APPLIED. AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL COME UP WITH WHATEVER ITS POSITION WILL BE. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW ON THE COMMISSION. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THIS IS AS I SEE IT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING. OKAY. IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. 'CAUSE I HAVE READ THIS GUIDELINES, I MEAN, IT'S, THEY'RE PRINTED ON MY DESK AND I'M THE GO-TO GUY AT OUR OFFICE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BECOMING DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS WHEN IT FEELS LIKE THE GOAL LINE IS MOVING. AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING KIND OF GROWS AND THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE WORKS, BUT IF THE FA IF I HATE THAT WORD, UM, SHOULD THERE BE A REDESIGN TO WHERE FAR INCLUDING ANY AREA UNDERNEATH AN AIR CONDITION PORCH WAS INCLUDED AND IT'S STILL MET THE, THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS, WOULD WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS, MR. CHAIR? IT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE POINT WHERE I'M GONNA SAY THIS IS A LITTLE SPECULATIVE. SURE. THE, THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, WHAT IF, AND YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU AND LOTS GOING ON, UM, MADE SOME VERY GOOD ARGUMENTS. Y'ALL HAVE ASKED VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. BUT IF, IF WE CAN KEEP TO THE AGENDA AND THE ITEM BEFORE YOU, I THINK THAT'S MOST HELPFUL. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANKS Y'ALL. AND COULD WE TALK ABOUT DEFERRING THIS? WE CAN LET, JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE. UM, I MEAN, THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE HASN'T SPOKEN YET THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. SO I'M, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND THEN LET'S HAVE DELIBERATIONS. AND I HAVE, I PUT THAT OUT THERE EARLIER. I DIDN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO, IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS, UH, MR. CHAIR. I'M STILL WAITING TO ASK MY QUESTION. OKAY. WELL THE LAST SPEAKER WAS ALSO WITH BRICK MOON, SO, YEAH. SO CAN I ASK MY QUESTION NOW? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, UH, TO EITHER ONE OF THE BRICK MOON STAFF, UH, COME UP PLEASE. SO, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. SO, UH, IF I LOOK AT PAGE 15 OF 22, UH, THE, THE, YEAH, SO THE TYPICAL SECOND STORY, UH, BEING BUILT OVER THE ORIGINAL FIRST STORY TYPICALLY DOES NOT COVER THE CORNER POINTS OF THE FIRST STORY. SO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SLASH SIDING, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS, ON THIS, ON THIS ELEVATION. BUT NOW IF YOU GO TO PAGE 14 TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE, UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE SECTION THAT IS, UH, THAT IT SEEMS TO BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THE, UH, SECOND TO LAST WINDOW OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. SO BASICALLY I LOOK AT IT AS THOUGH THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT HAS ALL BEEN REMOVED. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT POINT PLEASE? CORRECT. YEAH. SO WHEN DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS WE'LL DISCUSS PUSH MICROPHONE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S MY FIRST TIME. UM, DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MEAT INTO THE KITCHEN. AND THERE IS A BLURB IN THERE ABOUT A ONE STORY BUMP OUT. UM, IF IT'S THE WIDTH OR THE DEPTH IS TOTAL LESS THAN I THINK 12.5% OF THE TOTAL DEPTH OF THE CONTRIBUTING. AND IT'S MORE THAN 75% IN THE BACK. I'M PARAPHRASING, I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. SO IF [01:20:01] YOU SEE ON THE KITCHEN WHERE THE SINK AND THE TWO, UH, REFRIGERATION TOWERS ARE, THAT IS WHAT THAT THE BUMP OUT IS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE REMOVING THE NON-CONTRIBUTING EDITION AND RE EXPOSING THE ORIGINAL CORNERS, ALL FOUR OF THEM. THAT'S THE ROOM WITH THE SMALL TABLE WITH LIKE EIGHT SHARES IN IT, I THINK. SAY AGAIN? THE, THE ROOM WITH A, THE, THE LONG TABLE WITH EIGHT CHAIRS IS THE ORIGINAL CORNER, CORRECT? THAT IS THE ORIGINAL CORNER. BUT IS THE OTHER CORNER EXPOSED BY THE COUNTER? I CAN'T SEE THAT. OR IS THAT ONE CON I APOLOGIZE. WE ARE DOING IT ON THE DINING ROOM CORNER, EXPOSING, RE RE EXPOSING THE ORIGINAL CORNER THERE. NOT ON THE PANTRY, KITCHEN SIDE NORTH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONTENTION HERE, THAT THE ORIGINAL HAS BEEN REMOVED. THEN YOU'RE PUTTING A BUMP OUT THERE THAT REMOVES SIDING IN THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO THAT ORIGINAL CORNER IS ALREADY COVERED UP BY AN ADDITION, A NON-CONTRIBUTING ADDITION. AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A TWO FOOT BUMP OUT IN FRONT OF THAT REAR CORNER WHERE IT STARTS RAKING DOWN. IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT, THE EXISTING RIGHT ELEVATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT IS, MAYBE TWO OR THREE DOWN. CAN I TAG OUT COMMISSIONER? YAP. WOULD YOU CARE IF I TAGGED OUT TO THE PROJECT MANAGER AND THE DESIGNER? SURE. ALL, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT BUMP OUT, WE, UH, WE'RE DOING THAT SO WE CAN GET MORE SPACE IN THE KITCHEN. THAT EXISTING WINDOW PER, UH, STAFF'S FEEDBACK, THEY DID NOT WANT THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW TO BE THROWN OUT. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO PUT THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT WAS IN THE KITCHEN IN THE NEW PANTRY. SO WE HAVE A BUMP OUT THAT MATCHES THE GUIDELINES PER UH, SIX DASH 21. AND IN OUR DRAWINGS WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE'RE MEETING THE DIMENSIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE GUIDELINES. ALRIGHT. I, I LIKE TO POINT THIS OUT, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT. SO YOU MOVED THE ORIGINAL WINDOW YEP. FROM HERE TO HERE, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND YOU PUT, THIS IS ALL NEW SIDING AND THIS IS A NEW WINDOW AND A NEW BUMP OUT. YES. A NEW BUMP OUT. SO IT LOOKS KIND OF STRANGE TO ME THAT YOU HAVE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL NICE ALL ONE LINE SET OF WINDOWS AND SUDDENLY THIS THING COMES IN RIGHT NOW NEW. IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE AND JUST YES, CLARIFICATION? YES. THANK YOU. BUT WE'RE OPEN TO, IF YOU WANT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THERE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT ALSO. I DON'T WANT THE SIDING TO BE REMOVED, ORIGINAL SIGNING TO BE REMOVED. THAT WILL BE MY WISH. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, SORRY, MORE QUESTIONS. I, UM, MY QUESTION AS I LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS AND REFLECT ON WHAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DESIGN, UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S NO LIKE, LIKE CIRCULATION BETWEEN THE FRONT, UH, PART AND THE BACK, LIKE IN THE GARAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THAT POSITIONING OF THAT OVERHANGING SECOND FLOOR PART IS REALLY DETERMINED BY THE LENGTH OF THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN OF THAT CENTRAL PIECE. SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE WAYS OF, UM, MOVING FORWARD, UH, IF IT GETS DEFERRED AND, UH, SOME DESIGN ALTERATIONS ARE, COULD BE CONSIDERED. ONE, UH, POTENTIAL ROUTE MIGHT BE TO SEE IF THE SECOND FLOOR CAN BE MADE SHORTER SO THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO, UM, CREATE THE APPEARANCE THAT IT'S CONTINUOUS. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT FUNCTIONALLY CONTINUOUS, BUT IT'S VISUALLY AS IT'S PRESENTED AND AS IT'S DRAWN, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SINGLE CONTINUOUS MASS. BUT, UM, IF THE PORCH NEEDS TO BE COVERED BUT NOT ENCLOSED, I, I FEEL THAT THE DRAWING MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE AN ENCLOSED PLACE THAN IT IS. AND PART OF IT IS THE PITCH OF THAT, UH, ROOF OVER THE PORCH AREA. UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MIGHT BE WORTH, UH, LOOKING AT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE OF WHETHER EVERYTHING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN A SHORTER PLAN. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION I'D LIKE TO [01:25:01] MAKE MY MOTION TO DEFER THAT I ALREADY SUGGESTED? OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? YEP. SECONDS. YEP, SECONDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT PLEASE. MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH IT REALLY IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PORCH AND THE GARAGE. AND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT IS REVISED THAT THAT GARAGE IS DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY FOR ME, CAUSING THE MASSING ISSUE TO BE SO PROMINENT. BUT THAT WAS JUST, OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. DO WE NEED TO DO BOTH SIX AND SEVEN? WAS THAT FOUR, SIX AND SEVEN? YEAH. AS THEY ARE RELATED, I JUST WANT BE CLEAR THAT THE MOTION WAS FOR BOTH ITEMS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IT'S FOR SIX AND SEVEN. SIX AND SEVEN. IF WE NEED TO REVO, WE CAN. YEAH, WE WERE. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. WE HAD THE OPTION OF VOTING SEPARATELY AND INDIVIDUALLY, BUT AS THEY ARE BOTH CONNECTED TO DISCUSSION, IT'S FOR SIX AND SEVEN. JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. SO WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 12 1 0 1 1 WEST COTTAGE STREET. GONNA WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION. ONE MOMENT. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM B12 AT 10 11 WEST COTTAGE STREET IN NOR HILL. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A 920 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1930. IN A CONTRIBUTING DETACHED GARAGE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 500 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. THE ADDITION IS TO HAVE A SECOND FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET, A MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF 23 6, A REAR SETBACK OF 15 ONE AND A HALF, AND IS TO BE CLAD IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A FIVE INCH REVEAL ON THE WEST LEFT ELEVATION OF THE MAIN HOUSE. A TWO PACK OF ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS IN SET AND RECESS WILL BE ADDED. THERE CURRENTLY IS ONLY ONE SET OF WINDOWS ON THIS ELEVATION, SO THIS WILL ADD SYMMETRY TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST RIGHT ELEVATION TOWARDS THE REAR 50% OF THE HOUSE. ONE NEW WINDOW WILL BE ADDED TO THE EXISTING TWO PACK OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS TO BECOME A THREE PACK OF ONE OVER ONES. THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR A THREE PACK OF WINDOWS IN THE CONTEXT AREA TO SUPPORT THIS DETAIL. ADDITIONALLY, THE EXISTING ROOF WILL BE REPLACED WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES TO MATCH THE ROOF OF THE NEW ADDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THE AGENT, EMILIANO ZDA, IS HERE ON STANDBY AND THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS WHO DID SIGN UP. UM, THE FIRST IS AMANDA REYNOLDS, FOLLOWED BY VIRGINIA KELSEY. AND PERHAPS IF THE APPLICANT DOES WANNA ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR SPEAK AFTER THAT, THEY CAN PLEASE ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES. UM, HI, I AM AMANDA REYNOLDS, PRESIDENT OF THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, VIRGINIA'S GONNA TALK, UM, ABOUT WHAT NOR HILL'S RECOMMENDATION IS. UM, MY QUESTION IS, UM, I'LL GIVE THE, I'LL GIVE THE, THE, LIKE THE, UH, SPOILER. SO WE ARE APPROVING WITH CONDITIONS. UM, THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS HOUSE IS THAT IT'S THE FIRST SECOND STORY EDITION ON THE BLOCK. UM, BECAUSE NOR HILL CONSIDERS HOUSES AS A CONTEXT AREA BEING THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE THINK THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT MY BIGGER QUESTION IS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY THE CITY DOES. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY IS WORKING ON A BLOCK FACE BY BLOCK FACE. UM, AND SO I WANT TO PRESENT THE DATA AROUND 10 11 WEST COTTAGE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT DOCUMENT. CAMERA PLEASE. SORRY IF THAT'S NOT VERY BIG. UM, SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ARE THE, UM, THE TWO BLOCKS THAT ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO JUST MAYBE THIS PART FOR NOW? SURE. SO THE RED.IS SHOWING 10 11 WEST COTTAGE, UM, AS I MENTIONED, BOTH ON THAT BLOCK AND ON THE BLOCK FACE ACROSS THE STREET ON WEST COTTAGE. UM, THIS IS THE ONLY TWO STORY ADDITION. UM, IF IT GETS APPROVED. UM, THE ONLY OTHER TWO STORIES ON THE TOP LEFT, UM, THERE'S AN ORIGINAL FOUR SQUARE. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SQUARE FOOTAGES ON THE BLOCK, UM, LISTED ON THE RIGHT, UM, THAT THE LARGEST, SO THIS HOUSE IS 912 SQUARE FEET. THE ADDITION WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE IT. UM, ALL OF THE OTHER SQUARE FOOTAGES ARE LISTED THERE, UM, WITH THE LARGEST BEING AT 1900 SOMETHING. UM, AND ON THE BOTTOM [01:30:01] THERE'S THREE HOUSES THAT WERE NOT AVAILABLE IN HCA, INCLUDING THE FOURSQUARE. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THE HOUSES THAT EXIST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, STARTING ON, THOSE ARE ALL THE HOUSES THAT EXIST ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH 10 11. IS THERE A MOTION? YOU HAVE THE SPEAKER? THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES. JONES SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SO THE YELLOW HOUSE ON THE TOP IS THE THIRD ONE IN. THAT'S THE EXIST, THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE ADDITION. UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE, IN THAT BLOCK AND ON THE OPPOSING BLOCK FACE ARE ALL SINGLE STORY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP. IS VIRGINIA PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE? I'M VIRGINIA KELSEY. I'M THE DEED RESTRICTIONS CHAIRMAN FOR NOR HILL. ALTHOUGH THERE IS THE ORIGINAL FOURSQUARE ON THE CORNER OF WEST COTTAGE NOR HILL. THE 1100 BLOCK OF WEST COTTAGE HAS NO TWO STORY ADDITIONS. THERE ARE NO CAMELBACKS CRITERIA. 10 STATES. THE PROPOSED ALTERATION OR ADDITION MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING SIZE, SCALE, MATERIAL AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CONTEXT AREA WITHOUT NOR HILL GUIDELINES IN PLACE. THIS ADDITION AND SIMILAR EDITIONS SHOULD BE DENIED AS THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING OF THE CONTEXT AREA. THAT SAID, NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS CHOSEN TO REVIEW HOMES ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES WHICH SERVE TO DEFINE HARMONY WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES EXCEPT FOR THE DISTANCE FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE REAR PROPERTY LINE SHOULD BE 20 FEET INSTEAD OF THE 15 FEET TO PROTECT THE PRECIOUS PRIVACY THAT EXISTS IN THE CONTEXT AREA. CONTEXT AREA, MEANING IT'S ALL ONE STORY, THERE'S PRIVACY IN THE BACK. BY GOING SO FAR BACK, YOU'RE VIOLATING THAT PRIVACY. THE ADDITION COULD MOVE FORWARD ONTO THE HOUSE, IT COULD EXTEND FURTHER TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO RECONFIGURE THE TWO STORY ADDITION AND MAINTAIN A 20 FEET FROM THE REAR SETBACK RE REAR PROPERTY LINE TO KEEP THE MASSING AND SCALE WITH ONE STORY MASSING OF THE CONTEXT AREA. WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE A REQUIREMENT. NOR HILL IS UNIQUE. IT IS PERHAPS THE ONLY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WHOSE SMALL ORIGINAL SCALE IS STILL INTACT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? I HAVE A QUESTION FROM MS. KELSEY. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO IF I LOOK AT THE ELEVATION ON PAGE 15 OF 21, UH, IN, IN, IN YOUR INDIAN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ACCORDING TO YOU, YOU WILL BE OKAY IF I ADD TO THE SIDE, MAKES IT FLARE OUT TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE IF I CAN PULL IN FROM THE BACK. IS THAT WHAT THEY PUT? WELL, IF IT'S, IF IT SHOULD BE ONE STORY AND NOT DOMINANT IN OVER THE HOUSE, BUT CURRENTLY HOW IT'S PROPOSED, THAT'S ONE PIECE. IF YOU LOOK IN THE BACK, IT'S PULLED IN FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON THERE. SEE, THAT'S PULLED IN THE PREVIOUS YES. SEE, IT'S PULLED IN FROM THE HOUSE. YOU COULD MOVE IT OVER A FOOT OR SO TO GAIN EXTRA STAIRS. BUT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR KEY POINT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK. REAR SETBACK, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO IF I WERE TO MAINTAIN THAT 20 FOOT SQUARE SETBACK AND I, IF I WERE TO BUMP OUT THE HOUSE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE FEET TO THE SIDE, IS THAT OKAY? NOT FOUR OR FIVE FEET JUST, IT SHOULDN'T GO PAST THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, BUT IT, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS THERE, BUT YOU COULD MOVE IT OVER A STAIR TREAD TO SHRINK THE STAIR. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, I MEAN IT'S SORT OF TRYING TO DESIGN IT, BUT THEY WERE, I TALKED TO THE DESIGNER AND HIS CONCERN WAS THE STAIRCASE IN ORDER TO GET THE, THE HOUSE IN THE BACK. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO PROPOSE SOME OPTIONS OF WAYS TO RECONFIGURE WITHIN THE SPACE TO GET THE 20 FEET FROM THE REAR AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. OUR JOB AS THE COMMISSION IS TO SURE, TO, TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, NOT REDESIGN IT. AND YOU KNOW, WE, THAT IS OUR CHARGE. SO WE, WE NEED TO [01:35:01] FOCUS ON THAT ASPECT OF THIS. I THINK THAT, SO I'LL JUST ASK, DOES IT MEET THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS WRITTEN IN NOR HILL AS DESIGNED? WELL, CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES, UH, A COURT FOR Y'ALL. BUT I'M ASKING IF IT MEETS YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS AS DESIGN AS PRESENTED FOR THE SETBACK, SPECIFICALLY HOW WE'RE DEFINING HARMONY. NO, BUT FOR THE SETBACK, FOR THE RARE SETBACK DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE, MY POINT THOUGH IS THERE ARE GUIDELINES BEING CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN EFFECT YET. THANK YOU. CORRECT. SO THE, THE ISSUE FOR THIS COMMISSION IS UNTIL THEY GO INTO EFFECT, THEY DON'T EXIST. AND THAT, THAT'D BE MY LEGAL QUESTION FOR KIM, BUT THEN IT SHOULD BE DENIED PERIOD BECAUSE IT, THE CONTEXT AREA HAS NO TWO STORY, SO THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED. SEE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ARRIVE AT, BUT I MAYBE ARRIVE AT IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE I WAS ASKING IS THE 20 FOOT SETBACK ACTUALLY THERE? SO AS FAR AS I'M KNOW, THERE IS NO 20 FOOT SETBACK ANYWHERE AS FAR AS THIS COMMISSION IS CONCERNED. THERE'S NOT A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND WE DON'T, THE COMMISSION DOESN'T OVERSEE, WELL, I'LL ASK LEGAL, BUT I I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK THAT WE, THAT THIS COMMISSION IS ENFORCING. OKAY, SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION 'CAUSE WE'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF USING THE TERMS DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH WE MIGHT BE CONCERNED WITH. WE DON'T WANT TO, IN FACT, YOU COULD NOT APPROVE ANYTHING THAT WENT INTO A DEED RESTRICTION SETBACK LINE. SO I THINK I JUST HEARD FROM MS. KELSEY THAT THERE ARE NO DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH THAT KIND OF SETBACK. CORRECT. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THE DRAFT GUIDELINES THAT WILL HOPEFULLY, EVENTUALLY MAKE ITS WAY UP TO COUNCIL SOON. BECAUSE WHAT, UM, MY POINT, OUR POINT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO BY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS GUIDELINE AS IT'S PROPOSED. IF YOU WENT BY WHAT IS ON CURRENTLY YOU, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE A TWO STORY BECAUSE THE CONTEXT AREA, MEANING THE BLOCK FACE ACROSS AND THE BLOCK FACE THERE HAS NO TWO STORY EXCEPT THE FOURSQUARE. OKAY. THERE IS, THAT QUESTION DOESN'T COUNT. IT'S ORIGINAL, IT'S ON A CORNER LOT. THERE ARE NO INTERIOR FOURSQUARES. BUT I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DISPUTE OVER HOW CONTEXT AREA IS DEFINED. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, WE HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS SEVERAL BLOCKS, NOT JUST THE OPPOSING BLOCK FACE AND SO FORTH. SO LET ME, THAT'S A QUESTION. IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT, AND UH, OFTEN STAFF WILL LOOK AT THE BLOCK FACE AND UM, SOMETIMES, AND SOMETIMES WE WILL LOOK BEYOND THAT SLIGHTLY, BUT WE CAN ASK MAY ROMAN MIGHT BE TO ADDRESS THE, THE BLOCK FACE, UM, INQUIRY. LEGALLY BLOCK FACE IS A, UH, SORRY, LEGALLY CONTEXT AREA IS DEFINED IN OUR ORDINANCE AS TO BE THE FACE OF THE BLOCK FOR THE PROJECT AND THE FACE OF THE OPPOSING BLOCK. LEGALLY THAT'S DEFINED IN OUR DEFINITIONS AS OUR LEGAL CONTEXT AREA. IT IS ALSO SAID IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WHEN DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ADOPTED, THEY MAY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF CONTEXT AREA. AND IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES FOR NOR HILL, THE CONTEXT AREA WOULD BE REDEFINED TO, TO MEAN THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY, NOT THANK YOU VIRGINIA. UM, I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGN UP TO SPEAK, BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS COMMISSION, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME. IF YOU COULD RESTATE, YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. UM, MY NAME IS EMILIANO SUZU. I'M THE DESIGNER FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, I MEAN I I, WE'VE DONE SO MANY HOUSES, UH, IN THE HISTORIC AREA, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, HOUSTON HEIGHTS, INCLUDING NORTH HILL. AND WE ALWAYS BEEN TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WE EVEN COLLABORATE WITH THE STAFF IN THIS PROJECT WITH ALL, ALL THE RECOMMENDATION THEY HAVE MADE SO FAR. UH, BUT, BUT MAKING THE HOUSE, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, PUSH IT FORWARD FIVE FEET FOR ME, IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE IT'S PUSHED BACK. SO IT WILL MAKE THAT MASS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UH, AND I ALSO SPEAK AS ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, HOMEOWNER. THEY, THEY WANTED TO HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE HOUSE AND I WAS LIKE, WE HAVE TO PRESERVE AND BE ON CONTEXT WITH THIS AREA. SO I MEAN, WE'RE FOR IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT WITH, UM, I MEAN THE WAY IT IS AND, UM, AND WE [01:40:01] COLLABORATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT I, I THINK THE WAY, UH, WE DESIGN IT SHOULD BE THE SA THE, I MEAN, WE MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES AND ALL THE CRITERIA ON BOTH WAYS. NORTH HILL AND, AND HISTORIC HEIGHTS. UH, AND IT, FOR ME IT SHOULD BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANKS. IS THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER IN THE ROOM TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE FURTHER DELIBERATION OR IS THERE A MOTION? UH, YEP. MOVES TO ACCEPT SOFT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. I HAVE, I GOT A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECOND COSCO SECONDS. UM, ANY NEED OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, TO ITEM 15 50, 34, 23 WHITE OAK. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DEION. I SUBMIT ITEM B 15 AT 34 23 WHITE OAK IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE 1,101 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN'S PROPERTY WAS BUILT CIRCA 1920 AND HAS BEEN CONVERTED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL USE. IN NOVEMBER, 2023, THE APPLICANT WAS APPROVED FOR A CHANGE OF DESIGNATION FOR THE GARAGE APARTMENT FROM CONTRIBUTING TO NON-CONTRIBUTING, WHICH HAS NOT YET GONE TO CITY COUNCIL. IN DECEMBER, 2023, THE APPLICANT WAS APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF REAR DECK AND COVERED WALKWAY TO CONNECT ALL STRUCTURES FOR CONTEMPORARY COMMERCIAL USE. ON JULY 22ND, 2024, THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A NEW COA FOR ALTERATION, FOR SIDING, DOORS, WINDOWS, AND AN AWNING. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES NEW WINDOWS, UH, DOORS AND AWNING AND SIDING TO THE PROPERTY FOR THE NEW TENANT. CHINESE MILKING COOKIES. THE PROJECT HAS ALSO RECEIVED 13 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDS DEFERRAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS THE AGENT, ARE ALSO HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE IS GREG THOMPSON, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHAIR. I CAN, I CAN'T READ THIS DOCUMENT. CAMERA PLEASE. WELL, LET'S JUST SAY FOLLOWED BY MATT STEWART AND HERE WE GO. OKAY. UH, MY NAME'S GREG THOMPSON. I AM, UM, UH, THE PROPOSED TENANT ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY ON WHITE OAK. WE OPERATE A BUSINESS CALLED TINY'S MILK AND COOKIES. WE'RE IN THE RESTAURANT LANDSCAPE, NURSERY BUSINESS, BUT WE HAVE A SMALL WALKUP BAKERY AND COFFEE SHOP THAT WE OPENED ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND WE'VE, UH, OPENED SEVERAL IN NEIGHBORHOODS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE. AND SOME STRUCTURES THAT ARE ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE AS WELL. PART OF OUR MODEL THAT, UH, IS REQUIRING THIS ALTERATION TO THE BUILDING IS A WALK UP WINDOW. UH, OUR, UH, OPERATION DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO WALK INTO THE BUILDING. YOU WALK UP ALMOST LIKE A CONCESSION WINDOW AND, AND PLACE YOUR ORDER. AND THAT WAY PEOPLE ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND IT'S A REAL SORT OF SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH THE, THE STREET AND, UM, THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE, UM, REQUESTING THIS ALTERATION TO THE SIDE OF THIS BUILDING. IT'S A LOVELY, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE. UM, THE, THE, THE CONCESSION WINDOW THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE REAR QUADRANT. UM, THE BUILDING IS ON A CORNER AND HAS A PRETTY AMPLE YARD ON THE WEST SIDE. THERE'S A REALLY LOVELY MAGNOLIA TREE TOO THAT KIND OF BLOCKS THAT, THAT QUADRANT AS WELL. I DON'T THINK ANY PATRONS THAT OR GUESTS ARE THERE THAT WOULD COME BY, WOULD THINK THIS CONCESSION WINDOW REALLY DEFACE THE BUILDING OR ALTERS IT IN ANY, YOU KNOW, DETRIMENTAL WAY. UH, I DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS THAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU OF SOME OF OUR OTHER OPERATIONS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT 10 BUILDINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE CONSIDERED HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. SOME ARE IN AUSTIN, SOME ARE HERE IN HOUSTON. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, BUT WE HAVE, UM, WE'VE ACQUIRED THESE OVER THE YEARS AND WE'VE, UM, PRESERVED THEM ALL. WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, IT PROBABLY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO SAVE A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS, BUT WE DID. THIS IS ONE OF 'EM IN THE AUSTIN, RIGHT HERE IN THE LITTLE [01:45:01] SHOPPING VILLAGE THAT WE OWN CALLED KIRBY LANE VILLAGE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN THE HEIGHTS. ALL THE BUILDINGS. THERE ARE SIX BUILDINGS ON AN ACRE, AND, UM, THEY COMPRISE ABOUT 6,400 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE ALL FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. AND, UM, UH, ONE OF 'EM I THINK WAS ON THE UT CAMPUS AS A REGISTRAR'S OFFICE, BUT WE SAVED ALL THE BUILDINGS AND WE'VE REPURPOSED THEM. WE BREATHED NEW LIFE INTO 'EM. THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES THEM. WE HAD TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THESE AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE LARGELY INTACT. AND, AND MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDINGS. ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, IT'S NOT A GREAT PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WALKUP WINDOW. UM, WE WERE HAVING, WE HAVE A LITTLE, UM, FARMER'S MARKET THERE ON, ON WEEKENDS AND IT REALLY DRAWS THE PUBLIC OUT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES IT. AND, UM, MOTION TO GRANT SPEAKER MORE TIME. OKAY, JOAN SECONDS. UM, YOU CAN JUST ALL IN FAVOR THUMB THROUGH A FEW OF THESE. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE BUILDING ON THAT SAME LITTLE SHOPPING VILLAGE AGAIN FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. UH, WE'VE RENOVATED IT AND REPURPOSED IT. WE USE THE SAME ARCHITECT ON THAT THAT'S HERE AND GONNA PRESENT SHORTLY. THIS IS A, A NURSERY AND GARDEN THAT WE ALSO OPERATE. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND YOU CAN JUST THUMB THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE, HOW WE KIND OF OPERATE OUR BUSINESS AND, AND, UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO OPERATE THE SAME WAY ON, ON THIS BUILDING IN THE HEIGHTS. UM, WE ALSO PURCHASED AN OLD GROCERY STORE HERE IN WEST UNIVERSITY THAT WE REPURPOSED AND, AND WE, WE HAVE A WALKUP WINDOW AS WELL. WE KIND OF SAVED THAT BUILDING. AND, UM, UH, THE, THE WALKUP WINDOW IS JUST A REAL IMPORTANT PART OF OUR OPERATIONS. THESE ARE SOME MORE OF THE BUILDINGS. THIS IS AN OLD BUILDING TOO THAT WE WAS ABOUT TO FALL DOWN. UH, IT'S AN OLD GARAGE APARTMENT IN THE SAME LITTLE SHOPPING VILLAGE THAT, THAT WE SALVAGE. SO WE LOVE OLD BUILDINGS. WE THINK THESE SPACES ARE WONDERFUL. THEY PEOPLE SHOW UP AND, AND THEY INTERACT AND, UH, THEY SEE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY COME OUT AND THEY REALLY ENJOY THESE PROPERTIES. SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, AS THE COMMISSION AND HOPEFULLY, UM, OUR, OUR ALTERATION DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DETRACT FROM THE BUILDING AND ALL. AND, UM, LET'S SEE. YEAH, YOU CAN KEEP GOING. THIS WAS AN ARTICLE, THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN ON THE HISTORY OF WEST UNIVERSITY THAT WAS JUST PUBLISHED ABOUT A WEEK AGO. AND THEY ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE, THE, THE OLD GROCERY STORE THAT WE PURCHASED AND HOW THE NEW, UH, WALKUP WINDOW HAS REALLY SORT OF RETAINED THE, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND HAS BECOME A COMMUNITY ASSET. SO SEAN GUESS IS THE ARCHITECT AND CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WILL BE MATT STEWART, OR DO SEAN, DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? ARE YOU NEXT? OR IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. SO SEAN, GUESS COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YES. UH, MY NAME IS SEAN, GUESS, UH, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE, ON THIS PROJECT. UH, THANKS, UH, EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. BACK TO PRESIDENT, PLEASE. I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, UM, SORT OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, I GUESS AS WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THE IDEAS FOR THIS RENOVATION. UM, SO, UH, WE WERE PROACTIVE EARLY ON IN THE DESIGN PROCESS TO REACH OUT TO THE HISTORIC REVIEW DEPARTMENT. 'CAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO GET THEIR, THEIR INPUT FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, IN AN EFFORT TO SORT OF WORK TOGETHER WITH, WITH THEM. AND THE STAFF WAS GENEROUS WITH THEIR COMMENTS EARLY ON TO SAY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING WERE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED. UM, SO, UH, ONCE WE GOT THAT FEEDBACK, WE, WE, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE, OF COURSE, UH, WHAT WHAT THE SENSITIVITIES WERE, UH, OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION. AND SO, UH, WE ALL, UM, KIND OF, SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS MET ON SITE AND WE SORT OF REVIEWED, UH, THE, THE PROJECT IN DETAIL, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OBVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL AND, AND KIND OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR SERVICE MODEL, UH, AND THE REASONING BEHIND WE WHY WE WERE, WE WERE MAKING SOME OF THESE, UH, PROPOSALS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAME AWAY FROM THAT MEETING. UM, AND I, I DON'T WANNA BE TOO PRESUMPTIVE, BUT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS KIND OF THE, THE MODIFICATION OF THE BAY WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION IS, IS, IS MAYBE ONE OF THE LARGEST CONCERNS, UM, BASED ON, ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, SORT OF ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FOR OUR EXPOSURE AND BUSINESS AND, AND SORT OF THE, THE, THE ATMOSPHERE AND ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU SAW IN SOME OF THOSE, THOSE PICTURES. AND SO, UH, IT, IT JUST MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TO KIND OF HAVE OUR, OUR SERVICE COMPONENT, UM, IN, IN THAT AREA, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE [01:50:01] SILL HEIGHT OF THOSE EXISTING WINDOWS IS QUITE LOW RIGHT NOW. UH, TO HAVE IT BE A SERVICE SERVICEABLE WINDOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE 34 INCH A DA SERVICE COUNTER HEIGHT. UM, SO THAT, THAT TO US. MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES. JONES MOTIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANKS. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN, UH, AS I SAID IS JUST KIND OF IMPORTANT TO OUR, TO OUR BUSINESS MODEL. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OR, OR MAYBE NOT YET APPROVED, BUT PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND IS UNDER, UH, REVIEW, UH, WHICH IS KIND OF THIS LARGER SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, ELEMENT THAT WE ARE SORT OF NOW KIND OF ANSWERING AND ADHERING TO IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT IS PROPOSED. UH, SO THERE ARE SOME, SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT THAT ARE ALSO PUSHING US TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO ANYWAY, THE IMPORTANT THING I THINK TO SAY TOO IS THAT WE, UH, WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO, UH, HISTORICAL RENOVATION. AND, UH, WE, WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE BUILDING BACK TO SOME OF ITS EARLIER CONDITIONS. IT'S BEEN MODIFIED OVER TIME. UH, ALL THE CASING HAS BEEN REMOVED AND, AND CHANGED. UH, THE FRONT DOOR IS A HOME DEPOT DOOR. UH, THINGS OF THAT THAT WERE PRESUMABLY REPLACED AND RENOVATED WITHOUT ANYONE'S PERMISSION. CERTAINLY NOT THIS COMMISSION'S, UH, PERMISSION. SO WE HAVE KIND OF AGREED AT, AT, AT OUR COST TO BRING THE BUILDING BACK, UH, AND, AND REINTEGRATE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, UH, AS, AS SORT OF A CONCESSION, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TRYING TO, UM, MAKE THIS BUILDING MORE SERVICEABLE. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO, AND THERE'S KIND OF A GRAPHIC, UH, DIAGRAM OF THAT IN THE DRAWINGS THAT WE PROVIDED. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT CREATING COMMUNITY. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN, UH, REALLY NEGLECTED FOR A, A VERY LONG TIME. IT IS IN SIGNIFICANT DISREPAIR. UH, WE, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO REFURBISH THIS BUILDING AS WE RENOVATE THE BUILDING TO BRING IT, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THAT THAT, THAT I THINK ALL OF YOU WOULD WANT, WANT TO SEE IN A BUILDING THAT'S BEING PRESERVED. AND ON AGGREGATE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE REALLY ARE PRESERVING OR, OR PUTTING BACK WHAT WAS THERE, UH, A A LARGE MAJORITY OF THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THE BAY WINDOW NOTWITHSTANDING. AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A, A MAJOR CONSIDERATION. UM, BUT, BUT ON, ON AGGREGATE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY RETAINING ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS BUILDING PLUS PUTTING BACK ELEMENTS THAT, THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN, UH, MODIFIED OVER TIME. UM, I BELIEVE I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. AND LET, THERE MAY BE THERE. I HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS. THERE MAY BE MORE QUESTIONS. I WILL SAY. UM, I MET ON SITE WITH STAFF ROMAN AND SAM. UM, THERE, THE, ALL THE SKIRT SKIRTING ON THE HOUSE HAD BEEN CHANGED WITH HARDY. THE, THE MAIN TRANSITION ELEMENT BETWEEN THE UPPER SIDING AND THE LOWER SKIRT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND IT NO LONGER SLOPES AWAY FROM THE SIDING. AND IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A, A TREATED A PIECE OF PLY, LIKE NOT A TWO BY THAT'S JUST BEEN PUT IN THERE. AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY YANKED OUT THE S SEALS FOR THE, THE LARGER WINDOWS, THE TALLER WINDOWS, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS INTEGRAL WITH THAT. UM, SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL, THE SASHES AND SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UH, ARE, UM, THERE'S SOME ISSUES BETWEEN THE MEETING RAIL AND THE UPPER SASHES. SO AS I UNDERSTAND A PART OF THIS, THE SOLUTION IS TO REFURBISH OR REPLACE THOSE UNITS, UH, WITH TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOWS FROM IN, IN YOUR APPLICATION FROM PLUM ALLEY. UM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE PAINT, SOMEONE PAINTED THE, THE CHIM THE BRICK CHIMNEY YEARS AGO, BUT YOU'RE OFFERING TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM IT AND TO REPAIR ELEMENTS OF THIS PUT APPROPRIATE DOOR IN THE FRONT. UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FROM FROM MY, FROM THERE, THE, THE, THE ISSUES ARE WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED LIGHT PATTERN, LIKE A OLD WINDOWS OPENING PROPORTION ON THAT BAY. THERE ARE, UM, A, A CERTAIN LIGHT PATTERN THERE. WE DID DISCUSS IF YOU WERE, UM, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THAT. THE TRIM IS NOT ORIGINAL AROUND IT. YOU'RE OFFERING TO PUT THE ORIGINAL TRIM BACK. YOU CAN TELL WHAT IT WAS FROM THE GHOSTING ON THE SIDING, RIGHT? UM, OR IN OUR CONVERSATIONS ON SITE WERE, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A WINDOW THAT LOOKED LIKE THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, BUT WAS ARTICULATED WITH HINGES. SO IT RAISED UP LIKE SOME KIND OF A BUS, LIKE A BUS DOOR, UH, TYPE HARDWARE. UM, WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO HAVE THAT SORT OF RISE UP AND THEN HAVE SOME KIND OF COUNTER PUSH OUT TO GET TO 43 INCHES? AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A QUESTION OF THE WINDOW IN THE FAR RIGHT. SO IN THE, ON THE, THERE IS A SMALL WINDOW IN THE FAR, UH, FAR RIGHT, UH, WHICH IS THE REAR THIRD OF THE HOME. THAT WINDOW'S NOT ORIGINAL, BUT [01:55:01] THE OPENING SIZE IS ORIGINAL. THEY'RE PROPOSING A CASEMENT BELOW. AND THEN THE OTHER, FOR ME, PROBLEMATIC ISSUE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE WERE, UM, SOME EXISTING WINDOWS, UM, THE REAR WINDOW PAIR OF WINDOWS WHERE THE DOOR AND SMALL WINDOW ARE BEING PROPOSED. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY VINYL WINDOWS, SO NOT ORIGINAL. UM, YOU'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO REMOVE WITH THE FRONT, FRONT MOST PAIR OF WINDOWS IN THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH ARE ORIGINAL STILL INTACT. I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LEAVE THEM AND SIMPLY THAT YOUR KITCHEN'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. BUT YOU, YOU, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD A COVER ON THE INSIDE OF THE WALL SO THAT THEY DON'T EXIST FROM THE INSIDE, BUT THEY STILL ARE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO JUST BE VERY, FOR ME, THOSE ARE MY ISSUES FROM MY VISIT. AND, BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S STILL TWO MORE SPEAKERS WHO ARE IN SUPPORT, BUT YOU'RE, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE, THE ARCHITECT AND YOU'RE THE ONE PROPOSING THE DESIGN. SO WE, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YEAH, THAT AND THAT'S FINE. AND I, I DID WANT, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT IN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE IMPORTANCE OF, 'CAUSE BEFORE I THINK WE, WE WERE PROPOSING ALL NEW WINDOWS, I MEAN ALL NEW WOOD WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, VERY NICE WINDOWS. BUT UNDER UNDERSTAND NOW KIND OF THE IMPORTANCE OF REFURBISHING WHAT'S THERE, WHICH WE'VE AGREED TO DO ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE RETAINED ALSO USING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD VIEW AS A PREFERRED VENDOR IN TOWN TO DO THAT, WHO HAS, UH, KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HISTORICAL WINDOW CONSTRUCTION. SO ANY NEW WINDOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE SERVICE WINDOW AT THE BAY WOULD ALSO BE CONSTRUCTED BY THAT CRAFTS PERSON, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE STANDARDS OF HISTORICAL DETAILING, ET CETERA, SO THAT THEY CAN MATCH, UH, THE EXISTING WINDOWS. UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS, SO ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE TO THE FRONT WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE A FUNCTION OF, OF, OF KIND OF UNDERSTANDING EARLY ON THAT MAYBE THOSE, THE, THE SOUTH AND THE EAST ELEVATION WERE LESS IMPORTANT RELATIVE TO HISTORIC. UH, BUT HAVING JUST HEARD THAT COMMENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER IN TERMS OF RETAINING THOSE FRONT, MOST ORIGINAL, UH, EASTERN WINDOWS. AS YOU SAY, THE ONES THAT ARE BACK FROM THERE ARE NOT ORIGINAL. WELL I GUESS THE BATHROOM, THE SMALLER BATHROOM WINDOW IS ORIGINAL, BUT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT AT ADDRESSING THOSE TWO PARTICULAR, UH, UNITS. OKAY. OKAY. I WILL LET SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW THERE ARE TWO MORE SPEAKERS. LET'S, LET'S HEAR FROM THEM AND THEN WE CAN DELIBERATE WITH COMMISSION. UM, NEXUS, MATT STEWART. HEY EVERYBODY. UH, THANKS TO THE COMMISSION HERE FOR ALLOWING US THE TIME TO MAKE A STATEMENT. UH, MY NAME'S MATT STEWART. I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION HERE AS I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT ALSO THE CLOSEST AND MOST DIRECT NEIGHBOR. UM, OUR RESIDENCE IS IN AN UPDATED BUNGALOW DIRECTLY BEHIND THE LOCATION OF THESE HOUSES. UH, LOOK, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE FIVE YEARS NOW. UM, I'M AN OWNER BECAUSE I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY ALONG WHITE OAK IN THE HEIGHTS, BUT AS THE NEIGHBORS, WE ALSO HAVE THIS STRONG DESIRE, EVEN A CALLING, MAYBE EVEN TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE LIVE. UH, MY WIFE CHRISTIE IS HERE. WE HAVE TWO YOUNG BOYS, ELLIOT AND OLIVER. WE'VE LIVED IN THE HEIGHTS FOR LIKE OVER 20 YEARS NOW. AND THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE GREG AND LIKE SEAN SAID, HAS BEEN THE HOME OF A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER SEEDY BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS. AND, AND THE OTHER BUNGALOWS ON THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN VACANT AND ALL OF THEM, ALL OF THEM HAVE, HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. THEY'VE ATTRACTED CRIME, YOU KNOW, DRUGS, GRAFFITI, VANDALISM, SQUATTERS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE WE LIVE. IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR, THIS IS A CENTRAL PART OF THE HEIGHTS RIGHT ALONG WHITE OAK. AND, YOU KNOW, KIDS ON OUR BLOCK, INCLUDING OUR OWN KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEY WALK BY THESE PROPERTIES TO WALK TO SCHOOL, TO HARVARD, TO HOG MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH TINIES HERE IS, IS IS JUST KIND OF THE IDEAL SCENARIO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COOKIES AND ICE CREAM AND COFFEE AND A FAMILY FRIENDLY BUSINESS THAT WOULD JUST DO WONDERS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND ALL SUPER IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMITTEE WHILE PRESERVING AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, RESTORING THE HISTORIC BUNGALOWS AND THE LOOK AND THE FEEL AND THE VIBE OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, TINIES LIKE THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT, THEY JUST, THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD HERE. I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES. JONES' MOTIONS. UH, SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. BLAKE, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANKS. I'M ALMOST DONE. BUT LOOK, THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF JUST REVITALIZING, YOU KNOW, OLDER HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, CREATING, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF TOWN SQUARE TYPE OF FEEL. UM, YOU [02:00:01] KNOW, IMPROVEMENT HERE IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFIDENT THERE COULD BE A, A LIKE A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A WIN WIN WIN, YOU KNOW, A WIN FOR TINIES, A WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND A WIN FOR HISTORIC. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, A STACK HERE OF, I THINK IT'S 15 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. AND LOOK, THESE AREN'T, THESE ARE THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS. THESE ARE ALL WITHIN A BLOCK OF THIS BUILDING THAT ARE OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTIVE OF REVITALIZING THIS CORNER AND, AND BRINGING IN TINIES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE BUSINESS. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, THERE'S EVEN SOMEBODY HERE THAT'S, THAT'S A NEIGHBOR THAT'S, THAT'S WILLING TO MAKE A STATEMENT. SO IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S THIS OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, UH, TO REVITALIZE THAT. SO I'M CONFIDENT WE COULD FIND, UH, A WIN-WIN HERE. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD. OKAY. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGN UP, WHICH IS ROB MESS MESSER MESSER. I'M SORRY FOR MY BAD HANDWRITING. IT'S ROB MEISTER. OKAY, SORRY. SO I DON'T LIVE QUITE AS CLOSE AS MATT STEWART DOES TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU WALK OUTSIDE OF MATT'S GARAGE THROUGH THE ALLEY, YOU GO INTO RUN INTO MY HOUSE. SO I'M, I'M PRETTY DARN CLOSE AND I'M ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO PROVIDED ONE OF THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE KNOWN MATT AND CHRISTIE FOR EIGHT YEARS SINCE WE FIRST BOUGHT OUR, OUR BUNGALOW. IT'S ANOTHER HISTORIC PROPERTY. I TAKE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION VERY SERIOUSLY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PLAN TO FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND WHEN MATT AND CHRISTIE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY HAPPY BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THE HEIGHTS IS HEIGHTS IS THAT IT DOES HAVE THAT LOCAL FEEL THAT CANDIDLY IS REALLY HARD TO FIND IN A LOT OF HOUSTON. AND, YOU KNOW, MATT AND CHRISTIE BUYING THAT PROPERTY, CANDIDLY, BEING THE PEOPLE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH IT, GAVE ME A LOT OF COMFORT. AND THEN WHEN I HAD HEARD THAT THE, THE CHINESE GROUP WAS, WAS CONSIDERING A, A LEASE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T THINK OF MANY HU AGAIN, HOUSTON, LOCAL BASED COMPANIES THAT I WOULD BE MORE EXCITED TO HAVE AROUND, UM, AROUND MY PROPERTY AND AROUND MY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING TALKED TO OTHER NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET, I THINK EVERYBODY'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. UH, IT'S NOT A, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. IT'S NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY TODAY. THERE IS AN EXCEPTION THAT I KNOW MATT AND TINIES ARE ASKING FOR, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN SERIOUSLY MAKE THE EXCEPTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT ALSO OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG WHITE OAK THAT CAN BE IMPROVED IN THE YEARS TO COME. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS ITEM, AS YOU KNOW, IS A DEFERRAL. UM, BUT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, THAT SPOKE BEFORE US WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE ALTERATIONS. UM, AS I SAID, I THINK THE ARCHITECT HAS SAID HE'S WILLING TO LEAD, MAINTAIN THE, THE BATHROOM WINDOW AND THE PAIR WINDOWS TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE OTHER SIDE, AND THEY COULD ENCLOSE THE WALL ON THE INTERIOR. I THINK THE, FOR ME, THE ONLY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS WERE CHANGING THE BAY WINDOW AND THE, THE ADDITION OF THE CASEMENT WINDOW AND THE REAR MR CHAIR REAR SECTION. MR. UH, CAN, CAN YOU HELP ME BY, UH, BY ELABORATING WHEN THE PICTURE IS UP THERE, SO THEN I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE? BECAUSE YOU WERE ON SITE, SITE SITE ELEVATIONS. YES. AND AS, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION, WHICH IS PART OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UM MM-HMM FOR SOME LANDSCAPING AND SITE WORK THAT IS, UM, LANDSCAPING IS EXEMPT, ALTHOUGH TINIES IS BRINGING IN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR LANDSCAPING, UM, EXPERTISE TO THIS AS WELL. BUT THERE, THERE'S A SEPARATE AA THAT'S SORT OF WORKING DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE, AROUND THE STRUCTURE. SO ON THE FAR RIGHT IS THE EXISTING ELEVATION AND IN SIM IN SIMPLEST TERMS, UM, ON THE FRONT BAY THERE'S A FIREPLACE, UH, CHIMNEY WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE BRICK BY TAKING THE PAINT OFF THAT FROM, FROM PREVIOUS PAINTING. UH, THEY'RE GONNA RESTORE THE TWO SINGLE WINDOWS LEFT AND RIGHT. THEY'RE ASKING TO MODIFY THE BAY WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE AND THEY'RE ASKING TO MODIFY THE REAR WINDOW OPENING. THAT OPENING SIZE IS ORIGINAL, BUT THE WINDOW IS VINYL IN THE REAR. SO, AND THIS IS ON A CORNER LOT. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS SIDE IN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE FROM FROM THE SIDE STREET. OH, I'M SORRY. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO. THEY'D LIKE TO MAXIMIZE THE WINDOWS ON THE BAY. THEY'D LIKE TO RAISE THE HISTORIC SILL HEIGHT UP TO 43 INCHES. WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BAY WINDOW, BUT PLEASE LET'S, LET'S DO IT ELEVATION BY ELEVATION, SO THAT AT LEAST WE [02:05:01] KNOW WHY I'M PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS. UH, MR. CHAIR IS THAT VERY, VERY RARELY WE GET A HOUSE TURNED INTO A BUSINESS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE, I WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE THE BUSINESS AS WELL. SURE. THE NEIGHBORS LIKE TO PROMOTE THE BUSINESS, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DEPART TOO FAR AND MAKE TOO MANY CONCESSIONS, THEN IT'S OPENING A CAN OF WORMS FOR FUTURE FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, WELL, IF YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THIS OFF, TAKE THAT OFF AND CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE THAT, WHERE IS IT GOING TO STOP? SO THAT'S WHY I'M VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT, LET'S GO TO THE ELEVATIONS AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE ARCHITECT TO SEE WHAT ARE THE CHANGES. AND HOPEFULLY IT'S LIKE A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND NOT TOO EXTREME. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY CERTAINLY, AND I THINK, LIKE I'LL ASK KIM. I MEAN, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS COMMISSION. SO WE, WE DON'T REGULATE USE. IT IS, IT HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL. UM, ALTHOUGH IN THE, IN THE PAST, RECENT PAST, IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN MANY THINGS AND OF, OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE, I, I BELIEVE, UH, ONE COULD STATE SO, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY, NOT THE QUESTION. I, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE BUILDING, BUT, BUT THE BE, I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT'S I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IS THAT THIS BUSINESS MODEL IS THAT THEY WILL SERVE THE PUBLIC THROUGH AN OUTSIDE WINDOW AND NOT THE INSIDE AND NOT FROM WITHIN THE STRUCTURE. SO, YES. UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VERY BELOVED, THIS, THIS POTENTIAL TENANT IS A VERY BELOVED TENANT IN MANY THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY'RE IN. YES. AND I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS TO, TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A DEFERRAL AT THIS MOMENT, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS COMMISSION. UM, SO THEY CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH, UH, APPROVAL. AND COMMISSIONER YAPP, I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT ON THE SITE PLAN. UM, IT DOES, IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT, UH, AS COMM UH, AS CHAIR PUCHEK HAS SAID, THE BUSINESS MODEL IS THAT NO ONE REALLY GOES INSIDE. LIKE EVERYONE GOES UP TO THE WINDOW. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, THE WEST ELEVATION, THE BAY WINDOWS FOR TINIES AND THE OWNER FOR THEM, THEY WANTED TO MEET THE CODE FOR THE SERVING WINDOW AND THE, UM, COUNTER, BUT IN ORDER FOR THE BUSINESS PLAN TO WORK IS THAT THEY NEED A WINDOW TO USE AS KIND OF LIKE A ORDER SPOTS. YEAH. SO THIS IS NOT MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIR HICK WENT THROUGH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. CORRECT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT BEING POINTED OUT. GOTCHA. SO I'M NOT CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IS WHAT, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS FRONT AND LEFT AND RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT IT TO BE SPECIFIC. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION. CORRECT. SO WE CAN GO TO THE FRONT ELEVATION RIGHT OVER HERE. SO, OKAY. IS THERE GONNA BE ANY CHANGES TO THIS THING AT ALL? FROM, FROM, I'M, I'M GONNA LET SAM EXPLAIN. UM, YEAH. SO I HAVE THIS COLOR CODED. SO THE RED IS WHAT WILL BE REMOVED, AND THEN THE GREEN IS WHAT TO BE ADDED. SO THEY WANNA GO AHEAD AND CHANGE TO A METAL ROOF. POINT TO YOU. I'M, UH, RED AND GREEN, PARTIALLY COLORED LINE. OH, I UNDERSTAND. SO THE ROOF WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW. I'LL MAKE SURE I CHANGE THE COLORS NEXT TIME. UH, BUT THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE CHANGED TO A METAL ROOF. UH, SO THEY'RE REPLACING THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS, UM, THIS ELEVATION WILL BE RESTORED. THE TRIM WILL BE UPDATED TO A MORE AGE APPROPRIATE TRIM. AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO REMOVING THE, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE, UM, RAILINGS FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ALSO ON THE SIDE WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE NOT ORIGINAL. CORRECT. UH, THEY MIGHT GO AHEAD AND, UM, POSSIBLY RESTORE THE, UH, RAILINGS ON THE FRONT, BUT THE SIDES WILL BE REMOVED FOR CIRCULATION. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO PLANNING ON REMOVING THIS, THE DECK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP ELEVATION ON THE LEFT. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO, UH, REPLACE THE LATTICE AT THE BOTTOM WITH A MORE, UH, PERIOD APPROPRIATE LATTICE. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO CHANGING THE PIERS TO BRICK, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE. SO THAT'S JUST FOR THAT ELEVATION. AND I CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. YES, PLEASE. MM-HMM . HAVE THESE LIKE COLOR BACKGROUND? NO, NO. IT'S, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THIS ONE LAST 'CAUSE IT'S THE MOST, LIKE IF WE CAN DO THE OTHER TWO ELEVATIONS FIRST, THE OTHER TWO. SO THE SIZE OR THE REAR? EITHER OR? JUST IF YOU DO THIS ONE LAST. OH, THIS ONE LAST. OKAY. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. SO THIS ONE IS, UH, NOT THE MAIN VISIBLE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, BUT IT IS STILL KIND OF VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ALL SHOWN AT THE TOP ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED. THE ONES ON THE FAR RIGHT, UH, THAT HAVE A DASH AROUND THEM ARE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, AND THE OTHER TWO PAIRS ARE NOT. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE, UH, ALL OF THE WINDOWS AND THEN FILLING IN, UH, WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE WITH SIDING. AND THEN ALSO ADDING A DOOR WHERE THE [02:10:01] WINDOWS ARE ON THE LEFT. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT DECK AND ALSO TO REPLACE THE, UH, ROOF AS WELL. THEY'RE ALSO PLANNING ON REMOVING THE REAR, UH, KIND OF LIKE STAIR DECK AREA, AND THAT'S IT FOR THAT ELEVATION. BUT THEY ARE, I BE OPEN TO LEAVING THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT. NONE AS PER THE ARCHITECT IN THIS DISCUSSION. CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE ARCHITECT DID SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, UM, OR THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OF KEEPING THESE WINDOWS AND POSSIBLY COVERING THEM ON THE INSIDE. THAT WOULD BE THE HOT BURN FOR ME RIGHT NOW TO, OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT SIDE. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE ELEVATION FOR YOU. OKAY. SO ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA KEEP THE SMALL, THE SMALL WINDOW IS NOT ORIGINAL, BUT THE OPENING IS ORIGINAL. CORRECT. AND IT COULD BE KEPT AND IT COULD BE OPEN FABRIC ON THE INTERIOR. WE'RE OPEN OF DISCUSSIONS FOR KEEPING THESE WINDOWS. SO IS YEAH. WHERE THE CONFUSION IS BECAUSE THE PICTURE THAT BELOW IN THE PROPOSED DOESN'T MATCH THE DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING ON. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN THERE'S ONE LAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS, OR NOT THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE, YES. OH, THAT ONE. YES. SO THAT IS THE MAIN ONE THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO THEY ARE PLANNING ON, YOU SEE THE TWO CASEMENT WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, UH, CHIMNEY. THEY'RE PLANNING ON RESTORING THOSE. THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND RESTORE THE CHIMNEY TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY. SO IT WAS UNPAINTED AS IT IS AT THE TOP. AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO PLANNING ON CHANGING THE ORIGINAL OPENING OF THOSE BAY WINDOWS AGAIN, TO MEET CODE AND THEN ALSO CHANGING THE RIGHT WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT OPENING IS HISTORIC, BUT THE WINDOW ITSELF IS NOT. SO THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT THEY PROPOSED FOR THIS ONE. THIS IS ALSO THE MAIN, UH, STREET THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON COURTLAND. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, IS THERE A CANOPY THEY'RE ADDING TO THE SIDE? YES. AND THEN IF YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU GO TO, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT THEY HAVE THAT AWNING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL. SO THEN FOR THE WEST SIDE, AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING A, LIKE A DECK THAT'S NOT COVERED ON THAT SIDE. ON WHICH SIDE? THE WEST SIDE, THEY'RE PLANNING ON ADDING ON. IT WAS AN APPROVED C UH, AA FROM DECEMBER. AND IT'S FOR, UH, PRETTY MUCH LIKE A UNCOVERED DECK FOR THE ENTIRE LOT. SO IT WOULD BE ON EITHER ON BOTH SIDES. SO WHY IS THAT SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT? 'CAUSE DOESN'T THAT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE TO PUT A BIG OLD DECK AROUND THE SIDE OF IT? BUT I MEAN, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. I, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT PART OF ROMAN CAN ADDRESS THAT. THERE, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION BY A DIFFERENT APPLICANT MM-HMM . UM, WHO'S JUST DOING EXTERIOR WORK, WHICH HE'S NOT DOING THE WORK FOR THIS BUILD OUT, BUT THIS DECK IS LIKE AS BIG AS PORCH. PORCH. IT'S LIKE, LIKE SIX OR SEVEN FEET WIDE, AT LEAST IT LOOKS, AND IT RUNS THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S THE, WE REVIEWED LIKE, LIKE 80 DA RAMPS AND STUFF BEFORE. SO THIS SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT. I KNOW THAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS A, A LARGER, IT WAS EVEN A, A BIG RAMP IN THE FRONT, AND THEY, THEY AGREED TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT. AND SO, UM, THIS IS A, I GUESS A MUCH DIMINISHED, UH, SIZE. AND IT GOES BACK TO THIS NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS MODEL OF SERVING FROM THE OUTSIDE. WE'VE NEVER, THIS ISN'T, WE DON'T HAVE A PRECEDENT FOR THIS. I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE ADDING A DECK THAT'S BIGGER THAN THE FRONT PORCH ONTO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S ALREADY APPROVED. IT'S NOT BEFORE YOU I CAN SPEAK. WELL, WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY DIDN'T WE LOOK AT THAT? BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S A CHARACTER DEFINING THING THAT CHANGES THE WAY THE HOUSE IS GONNA APPEAR. TO HAVE THIS BIG DECK ON THE SIDE OF IT LIKE THAT, THAT'S A BIG VISUAL IMPACT TO THE HOUSE. ROMAN, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? WELL, JUST BRIEFLY, UH, WELL JUST, SURE. I DO. UM, WE SAW THIS WHEN IT CAME THROUGH AND, AND IT'S DETACHED FROM THE STRUCTURE AND IT'S IN THE LANDSCAPE. WE INITIALLY JUST SAW IT AS A LANDSCAPING REQUEST. UM, YOU KNOW, OR YOU CAN CALL IT THE CANOPY, ET CETERA. AND SO ALL THAT, A LOT OF THAT GOES INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL LA AREA OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. UH, WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE TOGETHER LOOKING AT IT, AND WE REALIZED THAT THE RAMPS COME INTO THE FRONT THAT WE THOUGHT, AGAIN, MORE WHERE YOU'RE GOING, WHERE WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THIS COULD HAVE GONE TO POSSIBLY TO COMMISSION. BUT FORTUNATELY, THE, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DRAWN IT UP HAVE AGREED TO, UH, REDUCE, TAKE THE RAMP OFF THE FRONT, AND THEY JUST WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT IT STILL IS PREDOMINANTLY IN THE CATEGORY, IN MY MIND, OF LANDSCAPING WORK AND A, AND A, AND A CARPORT IN THE BACK. THE OTHER THING THAT INFLUENCED US IS [02:15:01] I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THIS SITE, THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE ALLEY. UH, THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS HANDLED BY THE, DOWN THE HALL IN ON IN PLANNING WHERE, UH, THE, THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED AS TO WHETHER THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AT NIGHT, AT, AT THE TIME, A MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UH, THE THING PASSED. AND SO THAT CAUSED ME TO BE OUT THERE A LOT. AND I THINK WHAT INFLUENCED US LOOKING AT THIS PLAN WAS JUST HOW DEGRADED THE SITE WAS. UH, AND SO THERE WAS A SENSE THAT, OKAY, THAT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE GONNA CONNECT THIS THING, CLEAN IT UP, AND WE SAW IT AS A GOOD THING WITHOUT, UH, PUTTING A REAL HARD, UH, REAL HARD NOSE TO IT. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, AND IT DOES INTEGRATE INTO THE SITE. AND SO TO THAT, TO THAT END, TO THE EXTENT YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THIS BIG THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT YOU DID WHAT YOU DID. SO THERE IT IS. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES PROPOSING TO THE SIDE WITH THE, THE DECK THAT'S AS BIG AS THE FRONT PORCH. THAT'S THE SAME LEVEL AS THE FRONT PORCH, THIS CANOPY THING, THESE WINDOWS. THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF CHANGES HERE TO A, A VERY VISIBLE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. , UH, THE LARGEST, IS THERE A POSS SAL ARE IN THE REAR? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, UH, TO, TO MATCH THE OPENING OF THE NEW WINDOWS TO THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS? ALTHOUGH THEY MAY HAVE TO BE, UH, SHORTENED OR RAISED BECAUSE TO MEET THE, UH, COUNTER DEPTH HEIGHT, BUT CAN, WHY DO WE NEED TO OPEN IT SO MUCH WIDER THAT MAKES IT LOOK NOW DEF DEFINITELY OUT OF PROPORTION IS IS MY, MY QUESTION TO THE, MAYBE THE ARCHITECT, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BAY WINDOW, IS THAT RIGHT? THE BAY WINDOW, YES. ARE YOU ABLE TO GO TO THAT ELEVATION? AND IF YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT, I I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO I'LL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING BACK UP. SO WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF OPTIONS. SO, SO O ONE CHALLENGE WE HAVE FUNDAMENTALLY, I GUESS WITH OUR SERVICE MODEL IS, IS A, IS A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, RIGHT? SO THE, THE BOTTOM SASH BEING OPENING AND THE TOP SASH PRESUMABLY BEING FIXED, THAT DOESN'T REALLY, IT DOESN'T WORK AT FOR A TRANSACTIONAL, UH, SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SERVICE EMPLOYEE TO A CUSTOMER. UH, SO OUR, OUR GENERAL MODEL IS TO HAVE A FRENCH CASEMENT THAT OPENS INWARD, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CUSTOMER. SO WHEN LOOKING AT, AT, AT, AT MATCHING THE EXISTING, UM, OPENINGS, BAY WINDOW WIDTHS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE SILL HEIGHT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 20 INCHES. UH, I PERSONALLY, I MEAN WE DID, WE DID GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS INTERNALLY TO, TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON. UH, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I FELT LIKE THIS HAD A BETTER PROPORTIONAL SENSE TO WHAT'S EXISTING THAN THOSE TYPES OF ITERATIONS. YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THINKING ABOUT KIND OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MORE, UH, OF, OF KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SORT OF THESE OTHER OPERATIONAL WINDOWS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE STILL HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO CONSIDER AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AND, AND REGULATIONS RELATIVE TO AIR CURTAINS AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SERVICE WINDOW IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FOOD SAFETY RE, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS. SO SOMETHING THAT IS SORT OF MORE, UH, I GUESS PRESENT ON THE INTERIOR, UH, IS NOT, IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE FOR, FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE REASONS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND AS WHAT WE MOVE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR, FOR THIS BUSINESS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE LANDED ON, ON, ON, ON THIS SOLUTION THAT, THAT WE DID. THANK YOU. YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO FOR THE ARCHITECT. OKAY. MR. BLAKELEY, IS THE BAY GETTING WIDER? I CAN'T TELL FROM THE DRY THE BAY, THE BAY ITSELF IS NOT GETTING ANY WIDER NO, WE ARE, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN REPLACING THE WINDOWS, UM, IT, IT MAY APPEAR AS IF IT'S GETTING WIDER BECAUSE THE SILL OF THE WINDOWS IS COMING UP, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THE, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF THE BAY, UH, IN, IN ANY WAY. OKAY. THE BAY IS NOT GETTING ANY WIDER, BUT THE WINDOWS ARE NOW BAY TO BAY END TO END, AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK BEFORE THAT IS LIKE LEAST 18 INCH SIDING ON BOTH SIDES. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT THERE'S WALL SPACE NOW BETWEEN, SO THE RIGHT AND LEFT FLANKING WINDOWS TO THE CORNERS. UM, AGAIN, WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIZING THESE WINDOWS. UH, BUT I BELIEVE IT, IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE IT FELT EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE AWKWARD BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WAS NOW LEFT, [02:20:01] UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO SIX INCHES OF SIDING AND A CORNER BOARD AND CASING. UM, SO WE FELT LIKE IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT FEEL, YOU KNOW, MORE PROPORTIONAL, UH, TO, TO KIND OF THE BAY STRUCTURE ITSELF, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY MORE APPEALING THAN, THAN TRYING TO, TO SHRINK THE WIDTH OF, OF THE, OF THE SERVICE WINDOWS. SO IF I COULD SUMMARIZE, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAIN ISSUES WE, UH, THAT NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON INCLUDE THE DECISION NOT TO, OR TO BLOCK CONSIDERING BLOCKING THE WINDOWS ON THAT OTHER SIDE, UM, AND THEN WORKING OUT THE WINDOW SELECTION FOR THIS SIDE. I, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKELY THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED, SOME APPROPRIATE WINDOWS CAN BE FOUND. UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE STILL IS ABOUT THAT WINDOW NEAREST THE BACK. UM, DOES IT, IS IT ALSO A SERVICE WINDOW? IT IS, IT'S RATIONALE FOR, OKAY. IT IS YOU BASICALLY, THE, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU ORDER AT THE BAY WINDOW AND YOU MOVE OVER AND YOU, AND YOU PICK UP TO THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, THE ONE THAT WE'RE REPLACING, UM, WHERE THERE'S NOW JUST A SMALLER NON-EXISTING WINDOW. OKAY. UH, MAY I MAKE A MOTION OR ARE WE NOT THERE YET? YOU CAN DRAW IT. YEAH. I MEAN THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, WAS DEFERRAL, BUT YOU CAN MAKE ANY MOTION YOU LIKE, OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. WHAT, WHICH WOULD BE A DEFERRAL. AND SO I GUESS, SEAN, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH FEEDBACK IN ORDER TO, TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME BACK TO US? UM, I MEAN, I, I, I, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. I MEAN, AG AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF AT A TIPPING POINT HERE WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS BUILDING CAN WORK FOR OUR, OUR BUSINESS OR, OR, OR IT CAN'T. UM, AND SO I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, CERTAINLY I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REINVIGORATE THIS BUILDING NOT ONLY JUST BY BRINGING IT, YOU KNOW, INTO THE 21ST CENTURY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK TO SOME OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTERISTICS. UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING SORT OF MAYBE WORKING WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT I THINK THE, I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE BAY CAN YEAH, I THINK CAN CHANGE THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION THAT WE, THEY'VE DEFERRED IT, BUT THEY LIKED FEEDBACK FROM US IS THAT, UH, I THINK THE QUESTION ON THE CANOPY WAS LIKE, LIKE A, WE, WE ALLOW CANOPIES AND CARDBOARD CANOPIES ALL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO THAT. NOT QUITE LIKE THIS, BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT AND IS REVERSIBLE. SO, UM, I THINK THE, THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE CONVERSATION WAS, WILL THIS COMMISSION ALLOW THE WINDOW OPENING TO CHANGE? YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED HAVING, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THE WINDOW OPENING CHANGE. I SEE THIS AS A REUSE OF THE PROPERTY. AND FROM THE COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING THAT CAN'T BE REVERSED ON IT AND THAT WE'RE BREATHING SOME LIFE INTO SOMETHING THAT'S OTHERWISE NOT SO USABLE. SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE RETAINED, I MEAN, I GUESS THE REAR ONES, IF THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL, THE DOOR AND THE CAN CAN BE DONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FRONT ONES VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY BE OPEN TO IT. I DON'T LOVE THE, THE HAVING TO PUT THE TWO WINDOWS AT THE BACK, BUT I UNDERSTAND FOR THE USE OF THE, THE BUILDING. UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, THE OTHER OPTION WAS JUST LINKING THAT WINDOW TO BE A VERTICAL WINDOW. ONE, ONE CASE MAN THAT OPENS, UM, IT APPEARS THEIR MODEL IS BASED ON THIS DOUBLE CASE MAN, AND THEY OPEN IN, I THINK IS CORRECT, WHAT I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND I MEAN, ANY CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A DIFFERENT WINDOW IN, I, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHETHER IT IT'S THE DOUBLE WINDOW OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE TROUBLE TO CHANGE IT. SO, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. OKAY. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE IF THIS WAS SOMEONE'S HOUSE REMODELING, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD LET THEM CHANGE THE WINDOWS IN THE BAY, SINCE THAT'S A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE HOUSE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN THIS PROJECT WE, WE, WE SHOULD BE BOUND BY THAT NECESSARILY, BUT THAT JUST SEEMS TO GO AGAINST WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SAY AND CHANGING THEM TO BE FOUR WINDOWS INSTEAD OF THREE. LIKE THE, THE PATTERN IS DIFFERENT AND [02:25:01] THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE ON A, I THINK THIS FACES THE STREET OR SOMETHING. SO I JUST CORRECT. 'CAUSE WE TALK ABOUT TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT AND OUR DECISIONS. YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, I GUESS I, I LOOK AT IT MORE AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND WE HAVE HAD MORE LATITUDE WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY ON WHITE OAK. UM, IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE LONG TIME AGO, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW THE CULT OF VARE BUILDING, WE ALLOWED SOME CHANGES IN THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT TO YOU, AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME. SO YEAH. SO THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE INTERIOR LAYOUT. BUT I MEAN, I GUESS I LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. I MEAN, LOOKING AT MY PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD SAY THEY NEED TO RETAIN THE ORIGINAL THREE WINDOWS SO THAT IF IT WAS CONVERTED BACK INTO A RESIDENCE, THAT IT WOULD BE PUT BACK TO, TO WHAT ITS ORIGINAL FUNCTION WAS IN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE USED AS A COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR THEIR NEED. BUT WE ARE STILL RETAINING BECAUSE IT, THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE BACK, MAYBE THE, THE ONE IN THE BACK MAYBE NOT SO MUCH OF A PROBLEM. 'CAUSE WE SEEM TO LET PEOPLE DO MORE FOR THE BACK HALF OR THIRD OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT I, I JUST STUCK ON THOSE BAY WINDOWS. UM, I'M, AND MAYBE SOME, SOME 3D RENDERINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF SEE WE, WE, WE PROVIDED SOME IN OUR APPLICATION. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M HAVING TROUBLE PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THE PARTS. SURE, YEAH. YOU KNOW, WITH THE CANOPY AND THE, THE DECK AND THE YEP, THAT'S FINE. LET ME ADD TO THE CONCERN AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS A CORNER LOT IF I UNDERSTOOD THIS, IT IS A CORN LOT, SO TO ME IT IS VISIBLE. YEAH. SO THE ONLY THING WINDOW, THE ONLY THING GOING FORWARD, THIS IS THAT THE REAR WINDOW IS NOW VINYL DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. SO THE REAR WINDOW, THE LITTLE SQUARE ISH WINDOW IS VINYL, CURRENTLY NOT ORIGINAL. HERE'S SOME, AND THE BAY WINDOW SILL IS MISSING AND IS REPLACED WITH A PIECE OF TWO BY THE TRIM IS MISSING AND THERE'S SOME DAMAGE THERE. THERE'S SOME WEAR AND TEAR IN, IN TERMS OF THE SASHES. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD REFURBISH THESE WINDOWS OR REPLACE THEM. THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS SEAN, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU MAKE THIS WORK WITHIN THE SAME WINDOW OPENING, EVEN IF THERE'S A FIXED PANEL BELOW? UM, IT'S JUST, AS I SAID, WHEN WE MET, WE, WE, WE GENERALLY DON'T ALLOW CHANGES TO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THIRD OR HALF OF A, OF A, A STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY JUST FACE A STREET. AND WHEN THEY FACE A SIDE STREET, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ALL FOUR SIDES OF THIS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A GREATER REVIEW AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR POSITION IS THIS MAY NOT WORK OUT FOR THEM. AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HOPE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS DOES WORK OUT. SO, I MEAN, JUST, I MEAN THIS, THAT'S THE, I THINK, I THINK NO ONE'S AGAINST THIS USE OF THIS BUILDING AND IN FACT THEY'RE VERY, VERY MUCH FOR IT. SURE. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S FAIR. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, AGAIN, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS. WE THOUGHT ABOUT KIND OF KEEPING THE, YOU KNOW, PANELING DOWN. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, I I I THINK YOU CAN ALMOST TAKE THOSE IDEAS TOO FAR WHERE IT LOOKS, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THIS BUILDING THAT WOULD REFLECT THAT SAME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. WHEREAS WE'RE PROVIDING WINDOWS THAT ARE VERY MUCH ALREADY ON THE BUILDING. AND I WOULD ARGUE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE BAY IS HISTORIC, BUT THOSE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY OUT OF PROPORTION FROM THE REST OF THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE, WHERE I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE OTHER WINDOWS, UH, NOW, UH, NOW WHICH WE'RE RETAINING MORE. SO AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT'S, THAT THE, THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE THE SIZE THAT THEY ARE. BUT I GUESS MY POINT BEING THAT WHEN WE'VE TRIED TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS BUT SOLVE FOR THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, THEY LOOK VASTLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE NEW PROPORTIONS BY BRINGING THE SILL UP AND NOW KEEPING, YOU KNOW, THESE VERY NARROW WIDTHS. UM, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY JUST DON'T REALLY SERVE OUR, OUR NEEDS, UH, FROM, FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE WANNA PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND WE WANT TO BE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE CAN'T SACRIFICE THE SUCCESS OF, OF OUR OPERATION, YOU KNOW, F TO TO, TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE, WE'LL HAVE TO JUST LET SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, A LAW OFFICE OR SOMETHING MOVE IN AND, AND RESTORE AND, AND KEEP THE BUILDING AS IT IS. UM, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE EITHER OR. UM, I MEAN IF, IF, IF, IF THE WINDOW'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH, THAT'S ONE THING. UM, IF THE EXISTING BIG WINDOW ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH, BUT AS FAR AS FINDING A SOLUTION OF LIKE ACCORDION OPENING WINDOWS THAT MIGHT BE ASYMMETRIC, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE SHOULD BE A WINDOW OPTION OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE UNCONVENTIONAL, BUT THAT COULD PRESERVE THE OPENING. AND AGAIN, I THINK FROM THE COMMISSION'S POINT OF VIEW, IT'S A QUESTION OF BEING CONSISTENT [02:30:01] IN HOW WE DEFEND HISTORIC BUILDINGS SO THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T COME ALONG AND SAY, WELL, WHY WAS TINY ABLE TO DO THIS? RIGHT. SO, UH, AND I THINK AS FOR THE SILL HEIGHT EVEN, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE AN INNER PIECE BEHIND THE WINDOWS THAT IS THE RIGHT HEIGHT SO THAT WHEN THE WINDOWS OPEN THE COUNTER IS AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT, MAYBE JUST INSIDE. UM, I MEAN, I JUST THINK ARCHITECTURALLY THERE MIGHT BE SOME WAYS OF STUDYING HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. WELL, ONE, ONE ISSUE WE FACE THERE IS THAT WE NEED A SERVICE COUNTER ON THE EXTERIOR. SO THE, THE COUNTER REALLY HAS TO PASS THROUGH THE OPENING, UH, AND REALLY IS THE SILL OF THE WINDOW AT THAT POINT. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A SCENARIO IN WHICH THE WINDOWS ARE IN FRONT OF THE, THE SERVICE COUNTER THAT, THAT BECOMES EXPOSED WHEN THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN. UM, SO IS, SO HOW DOES SERVICE, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS IT LIKE YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER AT ONE WINDOW AND YOU PICK IT UP AT THE OTHER ONE? CORRECT. OR HOW DO THESE TWO DIFFERENT SERVICE WINDOWS WORK TOGETHER? WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE LEARNED OVER TIME OF, THIS IS OUR FIFTH INSTALLMENT OF, OF THIS CONCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EARLIER ONES JUST HAVE ONE SERVICE WINDOW, ONE WINDOW TOTAL. UH, AND IT'S JUST VERY CHAOTIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE STANDING ORDERING, OTHER PEOPLE ARE REACHING OVER AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A BUNCH OF CONFLICT HAPPENING. SO WE MOVED TO THIS TWO WINDOW SYSTEM MM-HMM. WHERE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU ORDER HERE AND THEN YOU MOVE OVER, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. INTO A DIFFERENT LANE OF TRAFFIC, I SUPPOSE, TO, TO PICK UP. AND IT, IT'S JUST MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE SERVICE COUNTER AT THE ONE WINDOW AND HAVE ORDERS PLACED AT THE BAY WINDOW, OR IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK ORDERS, I MEAN, ORDERS ARE BEING PLACED, BUT I GUESS, UH, AT THE BAY WINDOW AND THEY'RE BEING PICKED UP AT THE OTHER WINDOW. RIGHT. IT IS JUST, I GUESS JOHN, THE, THE MAIN THING FROM THE COMMISSION IS, UM, IS MAKING SURE THE OPENING, LIKE IF THE OPENING STILL READS AT THE OPENING, EVEN IF THERE'S A SOLID PANEL BELOW AND THERE'S A COUNTER, BUT THERE'S A RECESS UNDER THE COUNTER, SO YOU CAN STILL VISUALLY READ THAT IT WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. AND COULD YOU, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THESE WINDOWS, COULD YOU USE THOSE WINDOWS IN THE INSIDE SOMEWHERE SO THEY DIDN'T LEAVE THE PROPERTY AND COULD BE PUT BACK IN THE, IN THE OPENING? THAT WAS ONE FROM ONE COMMISSIONER. SO, YOU KNOW, MY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT AS A DEFERRAL FROM STAFF AND WE CAN VOTE ON THAT NEXT. UM, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT STILL, THERE STILL SEEMED LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO DO WHAT YOU ALL WANT AND WHAT THE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO DO. IF, IF WE CAN TRY TO PROJECT THAT RE A RECESS OF WHAT THE OPENING IS, EVEN IF THE WINDOW SLIDE BACK SLIGHTLY SO THAT, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A COUNTER COMING FORWARD. I'M JUST WANT, I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE THERE'S STILL A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK. I THINK THERE'S GREATER, GREATER ABILITY TO CHANGE THE WINDOW ON THE, ON THE REAR BAY. IT'S JUST, IT'S A VERY PROMINENT CORNER, WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL FOR YOUR BUSINESS, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY PROMINENT CORNER. AND THAT'S, SO THE COMMISSION LOOKS AT THAT WITH GREAT INTENT. UH, CAN I ASK FOR ONE CLARIFICATION? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPENING, SO THE ORIGINAL BAY HAS THREE OPENINGS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ONE OPENING. UM, THERE'S FRAMING IN BETWEEN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CENTER WINDOW AND THE TWO FLANKING WINDOWS. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU ARE SAYING MAINTAIN THE OPENING, SO, SO FAR I'VE READ THAT TO ME AND MAINTAIN THREE DISTINCT OPENINGS, WHICH IS WELL, HAS PROVED CHALLENGING. YEAH. I THINK THE OPENING IS THE OVERALL FROM SIDING TO SIDING. OKAY. TRIM BOARD TO TRIM BOARD, OUTER OUTER TRIM BOARD TO OUTER TRIM BOARD. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT IS, THERE'S A CASE BEING TO BE MADE THAT THE WINDS NEED TO BE REPLACED. AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THE WIND IS THAT GO BACK IN MIGHT BE CONFIGURED, BUT IT'S THE OVERALL OPENING, THE, THE OUTER OPENING THAT IS, THAT RAINS, THAT THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT. OKAY. SO, OKAY. AND THAT'S OKAY. YEP. UNDERSTOOD. SO LET'S, IF, IF YOU WANT TO STILL MAKE THE MOTION, THANK YOU MR. BLAKELY. YOU MAY, SO WE'D BE OKAY WITH LETTING HIM DO THE TWO WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S UP. I MEAN THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION, BUT WELL JUST TO GIVE HIM SOME FEEDBACK. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE WINDOWS ARE, I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY. I THINK IF YOU ALL CAN GIVE FEEDBACK, THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY THE OPENING, LIKE THE, THE THING THAT'S WORSE IS CHANGING THE OP, THE WIDTH OF THAT BAY OPENING, TAKING SIDING AWAY. SINCE THE REAR WORD WINDOW IS ALREADY BEING REPLACED, IT SEEMS LESS OF A KIND OF LESS INVASIVE, I GUESS, TO MAKE IT SLIGHTLY LARGER. UM, WHEREAS THE BAY IS LIKE ALMOST STARTING TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE OR THE, [02:35:01] THE FRAMING OF IT. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT VERY WELL, BUT I WOULD SAY THEY ARE, I WOULD AGREE THEY ARE DIFFERENT FOR FEEDBACK, WE WOULD SAY, WELL, LIKE MS. SCRATCH, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE, THE REAR, THE REAR CHANGES TO THE, THE REAR, THE REAR BAY? I, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY THOSE ARE OKAY. I THINK THE BAY WINDOW IS THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE BESIDES THE FIREPLACE HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE I GET CONFLICTED TO SEE THE FOUR WINDOW PATTERN, WHICH WAS NEVER USED IN THESE KIND OF HOUSES. THEY ONLY EVER HAD TWO AND SOMETIMES THREE WINDOWS TOGETHER. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING. I MEAN, I, IF IT WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, I'D SAY, SURE, IT'S FINE. IT LOOKS GOOD. BUT FOR THIS HOUSE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT FOUR WINDOW PATTERN THAT GOES FROM EACH END OF THE LITTLE BAY PROJECTION WORKS. IF THERE WERE THREE WINDOWS AND THEY WERE ALL EQUALLY SIZED AND TWO OF THEM OPEN, WOULD THAT BE, I, I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER, I GUESS ON THIS, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THE CONFIGURATION OF THOSE THREE WINDOWS IS THE WAY IT WAS WITH THE BIG ONE AND THE TWO LITTLE ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. BUT IF THEY COULD WORK WITH THAT OPENING, DO TWO WINDOWS OR SOMETHING IN THE CENTER OPENING, IN THE CENTER OPENING MM-HMM . YES. YES. WITH A LITTLE SECTION OF WALL TO THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT, UH, I'M ALSO, UH, I'M WILLING TO MAKE DESIGNING COMPROMISE AND WE NEED TO LET THEM DESIGN IT AND THEN REVIEW IT. WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS TO JUST WORK WITH THE OPENING THAT'S THERE, WORK WITH THE OPENING THAT'S THERE. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN AMPLE FEEDBACK AND I THINK IT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION IF YOU WANNA GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT OR NOT. SURE. I, I, I, BUT I, I, NOW, NOW YOU'RE KIND OF RAISING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE DISTINCT OPENINGS OR, OR ONE OPENING. ARE YOU ON THE SAME? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S MY PROBLEM. OKAY. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PATTERN IS ORIGINAL, BUT THE, THESE HOUSES I KNOW FOR A FACT NEVER HAD FOUR WINDOWS TOGETHER. LIKE THAT NEVER HAPPENED ON THESE BUNGALOWS. SO THAT, THAT TO ME DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE. BUT THREE OR TWO WOULD BE BETTER. AND OKAY, MAYBE THEY'RE THREE THE SAME SIZE, MAYBE IT'S TWO THE SAME SIZE, I DON'T KNOW. AND I'LL JUST SAY IT'S THE OVERALL, OVERALL TO OVERALL THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONE TO THE RIGHT THOUGH IS MAYBE STILL THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE SUPPORT FOR THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE MORE OKAY WITH THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO REALLY DOWN TO JUST NOT COVERING, COVERING UP THE ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE, THE, THE, THE DOUBLE IN THE SINGLE FOR THE BATHROOM, ALLOWING THE DOOR AND THE SMALL WINDOW TO OCCUR IN THE REAR OF THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. AND, AND SO AND SO, OKAY. YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION TO DEFER MR. BLAKELY? I MOVE TO DEFER. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. I NOTE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBO ARRIVED AT 4 44 AND, UM, AND, UH, DOCUMENT CAMERA COMMISSIONER DEBO AND I ARE ON A PANEL PRESENTATION MODE, PLEASE. AND WE START SPEAKING AT SIX O'CLOCK. AND WE ARE, FORTUNATELY, FORTUNATELY, WE ARE ONLY ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION. SO, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO REALLY MOVE THIS ALONG. SO, JASON, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW THE CLOSER, AS I UNDERSTAND FIRE FROM IT . SO, SO DOES THAT MEAN THE MEETING'S OVER AT SIX ? WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO A FORUM IF TWO OF YOU LEAVE. OKAY, HANG ON. HE SHOULD GONNA THE BATHROOM. YOU GOT SEVEN RIGHT THIS SECOND? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT ONLY, I THINK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, AT THE MOMENT, ONLY ONE OF US CAN LEAVE IS WHAT MY COUNT. SO TURNS THE BATHROOM. SO WE, WE NEED, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE IT ALONG. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON COMMISSION MEMBERS. THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LILIENTHAL. TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM B 16 6 27 HIGHLAND STREET IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICANT PROPOSES TO BUILD A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION. THIS REAR ADDITION WILL HAVE A MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF 27 FEET WITH A FIVE OVER 12 ROOF PITCH COMPOSITION SHINGLES, A DOUBLE HUNK INSET, AND RECESS WOOD WINDOWS. APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO REPLACE, REPLACE A SINGLE SMALL WINDOW ON THE RIGHT EAST ELEVATION AND REPLACE IT WITH A PAIR OF WOOD WINDOWS INSET AND RECESSED STAFF RECOMMENDS DEFERRAL CHAIRPERSON COMMISSION MEMBERS, THE AGENT MICHAEL GONZALEZ AND THE OWNER CHAD HAMMOND, HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO, AS YOU SAID, I DO HAVE A SPEAKER. UM, UH, WOULD MICHAEL GONZALEZ PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND, AND COULD YOU RE PLEASE RESTATE [02:40:01] YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? SO IT'S GREEN. ALRIGHT. MY NAME'S MICHAEL GONZALEZ. I'M THE AGENT FOR THE PROJECT. AND YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, INSIGHT REGARDING THE DESIGN INTENT FOR THE PROJECT AND ALSO GET SOME GUIDANCE, UM, REGARDING THE MASSIVE OF THE MASSING OF THE PROJECT. THE BASIC DESIGN INTENT WAS TO PRODUCE A A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION. WE WANTED TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AS POSSIBLE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE WEST ELEVATION, THE EXISTING HOUSE REMAINS FULLY INTACT FROM THE FIRST STORY. THE SECOND STORY IS, IT'S NOT DETACHED, BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO THE REAR EDGE OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT WAY WE REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT OVER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH FACADE. WE CAN GO THERE. YEP. SOUTH FACADE, THIS IS WHERE WE SEE THE KIND OF FULL MASS OF THE PROJECT. I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE MASS IS IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, SO THAT'S MAYBE 70 PLUS FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MASSIVENESS IS, IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF MEMBER JASON. UM, IN THE TOP RIGHT YOU CAN SEE A SECOND STORY PORCH. ONE OF THE, UH, IDEAS TO REDUCE THE MASS WAS TO INSET A REAR PORCH OUR SECOND STORY PORCH. SO THAT WAY WE WEREN'T FACED WITH A FLAT FACADE. WE COULD REDUCE SOME OF THAT MASSIVE, THAT MASS THROUGH THAT SECOND STORY VOLUME. UM, I DO HAVE ANOTHER ITERATION OF THAT, UH, SECOND STORY THAT WE, WE SENT TO STAFF MEMBER JASON, UM, THAT I WANT TO PRESENT AS WELL AS JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK REGARDING THAT, THAT IDEA THAT IS THIS ONE HERE. DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. THIS SECTION HERE. SO IN THAT SECTION WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS WE'RE KEEPING, WE'RE RETAINING THAT SECOND STORY PORCH, UM, SETTING IT BACK, LOWERING THE RIDGE, THE ROOF HEIGHT, SO THAT WAY THE REAR ADDITION JUST SEEMS A LITTLE VISUALLY SMALLER, UM, FROM THE FRONT FACADE. THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? UH, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE ADDITION? I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE AND STAFF. JASON CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AT OR UNDER THE FAR. THERE'S NO FAR FOR THIS DISTRICT. WELL, SORRY FOR THE 29 0 4 FOR ADJACENT DISTRICTS, NOT FOR THIS DISTRICT. AND I DO HAVE THE PLANS HERE IF WE NEED TO PULL THE PLANS UP. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THOSE IN THE DOCUMENT. WELL, MAYBE JASON, DO YOU HAVE A I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I SEE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS 1300 SQUARE FEET, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE ADDITION SQUARE FOOTAGE WRITTEN ON THE APPLICATION. UH, COMMISSIONER K HAS CORRECT. I HAVE EMAILED THE AGENT MICHAEL GONZALEZ ASKING FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BREAKING UP BY FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. MM-HMM . AND I NEVER DID GET THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BACK. OKAY. BECAUSE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST AS BIG OR BIGGER THAN THE HOUSE. IT'S BIGGER. IS IT BIGGER THAN THE HOUSE? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S A GARAGE HERE. YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE SECOND STORY EDITION IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE CURRENT HOUSE IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS THE, THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN PAGE NORTHWEST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NORTHWEST. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S A TWO STORY OR A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT IS UNCONDITIONED SPACE. SO THE SMALL QUADRANT ON THE TOP RIGHT IS CONDITION SPACE, WHICH IS A PRIMARY SUITE. AND THEN ON THE SECOND STORY WE HAVE TWO BEDROOMS AS WELL AS A FAMILY ROOM ON THE SECOND STORY. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE. SO YOU HAVE THE TWO BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE A STAIR GOING UP AND A FAMILY ROOM AS LONG AS WELL AS A PORCH THAT OVERLOOKS THE PROPOSED POOL, THEY CAN GO THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. I THINK, I THINK MY ONE THING I JUST NOTICED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS, IS IN THE INTERIOR CORNER, IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO, TO MAKE AN INSET TO PRESERVE THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, LIKE A LOW HYPHEN OR SOME SORT OF LITTLE NOTCH THERE TO TRY TO SEPARATE THE ADDITION FROM THE HOUSE SO IT LOOKS DISTINCT FROM IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL CORNER OF THE HOUSE WAS. 'CAUSE I, I SEE YOU'VE, YOU'VE KEPT THE CORNER ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN, BUT THE RIGHT SIDE THAT, THAT PART IT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S GLOMMED ONTO IT AND NOT, NOT ARTICULATED IN ANY WAY THAT SHOWS WHERE THE CORNER WOULD BE FOR THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, IF THAT IS WHAT COMMISSION AGREES TO. YES. BUT GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND. WHEN MICHAEL AND I WERE DISCUSSING THIS COUPLE WEEKS AGO MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT PRESERVING THREE ORIGINAL CORNERS. THAT CORNER THAT IS PRESERVED WHERE THE GARAGE IS. UH, THAT ONE WAS TO BE PRESERVED SINCE THAT IS UH, REAGAN STREET, THIS IS A CORNER LOT. SO WE FELT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER CORNER TO PRESERVE. SURE. I ALSO STATED [02:45:01] TO MICHAEL THAT BELIEVE WHERE THAT COMES THE OFFSET AND YOU PUT IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING, THEN THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE MATERIALS WILL SHOW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE NEW, UH, ADDITION BEGINS AND WHERE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT AN INSET AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF LIKE, LIKE INFLECTION OR SOMETHING THERE. 'CAUSE IT KIND OF GOES IN ON THIS, THIS, THIS PORCH PART, BUT SOMETHING THAT DEFERS TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE OR ACKNOWLEDGES I WAS THERE. LIKE IF THERE WAS JUST LIKE A NOTCH OR I, MAYBE NOT A NOTCH, MAYBE LIKE A CORNER OR SOMETHING. 'CAUSE JUST THIS FLAT PLANE THAT EXTENDS FIVE OR SIX FEET PAST THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND, AND THERE'S THAT, THAT INDENTATION, MAYBE HE COULD PULL THAT OVER TO WHERE IT LINES UP TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE JUST TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE HOUSE IS THERE AND IT MIGHT HELP PUT THE MASKING A LITTLE BIT TO, SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE THAT FOURTH CORNER TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENTIATION TOWARDS IT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. YEAH. MAYBE NOT EVEN GONNA BE EXPOSED, BUT JUST SOMETHING WHERE THE, THE ADDITION, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IT WAS THERE SOMEHOW. UNDERSTOOD. YEP. MICHAEL AND I WILL WORK ON THAT. I SPEAK TO THAT. YEP. IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT, THAT FOURTH CORNER IS THERE. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY ATTACHING TO IT IF I MAY DRAW. OH, SURE. HERE, THAT'S THE FOURTH CORNER. SO WE ARE NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT. UM, THAT FOURTH CORNER WE ARE MEETING AT THAT CORNER, WE ARE NOT PROUD OF THAT CORNER. UM, SO THIS REAR WALL HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING REAR WALL. SO ON THAT LEFT SIDE YOU CAN SEE WE'RE IN SETTING WITH THOSE DOORS INTO THAT KIND OF BUTLER'S PANTRY ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE ARE JOINING WITH THAT EXISTING CORNER. WE'RE NOT IN FRONT OF THAT EXISTING CORNER. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S DOING IN PLAN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING VISUALLY, LIKE THERE'S THIS STUDY NOOK ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THERE'S A PORCH AND IF THE CORNER OF THE PORCH SOMEHOW COULD BE PULLED, EVEN IF IT WASN'T ALL LIKE TWO FEET OR ONE FOOT OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE IS, TO ME THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE MASSING TO MAKE IT LOOK LESS BULKY. OH YEAH. THAT STUDY, JUST PUSHING THAT IN, IN SETTING THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK LESS BLOCKY AND MAKE IT SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGE THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, I THINK WITH THAT, WITH THE STUDY THAT WE CAN RECESS THAT AFOOT, UM, JUST TO REDUCE THAT, THAT MASS, THE SECOND STORY PORCH WAS ANOTHER WAY OF TRYING TO REDUCE THAT AS WELL. SURE. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO PULL THAT CORNER JUST TO GO TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE ON THE SECOND STORY, NOT THE FIRST STORY. CORRECT. ON THE SECOND STORY. YES. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND CHRIS, YOUR COUCH, I MEAN THE, FOR ME THE ISSUE IS JUST THE SECOND FLOOR JUST, JUST KIND OF JUST GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A RECESS THERE OR IF THE MASSING ON THE FAR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PORCH IS LIKE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRAWING CAME FORWARD SLIGHTLY AND THERE WAS A RECESS WHERE YOU'RE CALLING FOR A RECESS, YOU'D KIND OF READ IT AS TWO DIFFERENT MASSES. I I IS THAT I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. CORRECT. I'M JUST, WHERE THESE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR DO LIKE PULL THAT WALL SO IT LINES UP TO THE CORNER OF THE OLD HOUSE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MIKE, WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE THE LAST FEW MONTHS IS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO GET A, GET LIKE A ONE STORY ROOF BETWEEN TWO BIG SECOND FLOOR, TWO STORY MASSES TO KIND OF LIKE BREAK IT SO THAT IT APPEARS THAT IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE WHEN THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED INTO THE MAIN HOUSE IS A, IS A BIG CHALLENGE. SO IF YOU CAN, IF WHERE THOSE TWO DOUBLE WINDS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS CAN BE MORE OF A RECESS OR IT'S SOMETHING THERE SO THAT YOU READ ONE MASS BEHIND THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, YOU READ ANOTHER MASS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A ROOF CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO. IT ALSO YEAH, THAT THAT'S, I I WOULDN'T MIND THAT WAS PASSED BUT GO AHEAD. SEEING THE GARAGE PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR PUSHED BACK, I MEAN THAT SIDE OF THE DRAWING, LIKE TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF THE GARAGE IS MORE DETACHED. I DON'T MIND THAT YOU'VE ATTACHED ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT IT'S THIS TWO STORY ELEMENT TO THE GARAGE PORTION AND I THINK IF YOU HAD IT LOOK MORE LIKE A DETACHED GARAGE, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST FROM THE SECOND FLOOR THAT YOU WOULD BREAK UP THAT VERY LINEAR PLANE ACROSS THE FRONT. SO IS IT ON THE REAGAN SIDE OR THE, THE REAGAN SIDE? CAN WE PULL THAT UP? JUST COULD WE GO BACK TO PRESENT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE FRONT. LIKE OH, FROM THE FRONT OVER YOU'RE TALKING. YEAH. SO SO REMOVING WHERE YOUR BUTLER'S PANTRY IS TAKING THE SECOND FLOOR OFF OF THAT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO THAT THE GARAGE WOULD, WOULD READ ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE SAYING THIS LINE HERE YES. PUSHING THAT, PUSHING THAT BACK SO THAT THE GARAGE, THE, THE PORTION ABOVE THE GR THE SECOND FLOOR ABOVE THE GARAGE APPEARED DE SOMEWHAT DETACHED FROM THE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING. THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE, THAT THAT ARTICULATION. THANK [02:50:01] YOU . THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM APPROVAL? YEAH, THE OWNER CHAD HAMMOND, GO AHEAD. IF YOU COULD RESTATE, RESTATE YOUR NAME. HI, UH, CHAD HAMMOND. UH, OWNER, UM, NO, JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MICHAEL WAS SAYING, JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A POINT. WE'VE LIVED IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR EIGHT YEARS. I'VE OWNED FOUR HOUSES IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS. WE'VE RESTORED A HOME ON, ON BAYLAND WAS CLOSE TO TEAR DOWN. UM, YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED IT, A DESIGN OF OURS TO, TO EXTEND ON, ON BAYLAND. UM, THE PROBLEM THERE, IT WAS GONNA LEAVE US WITH, WITH NO YARD, UM, WHILE WALKING OUR, OUR DOG. UH, AND A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES OF THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR, WE STUMBLED UPON THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, IT'S WONDERFUL SIZE LOT AND UM, I I DIDN'T QUITE THINK WE WOULD HAVE THIS TYPE OF FEEDBACK BECAUSE ON THAT SAME WALK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE WATCHED TWO HOMES RECEIVE APPROVAL AND BE BUILT WITH ESSENTIALLY THIS DESIRED FOOTPRINT AND FLOOR PLAN. SO, UM, IT IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOCK TO SEE OTHERS BASICALLY GO IN WITH, WITH THE EXACT, UH, FOOTPRINT THAT WE STARTED WITH AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY RUN INTO TO THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, STATES EARLIER PRESENTATION MODE PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, KEEP YOUR HOOD OH OKAY. THAT, YOU KNOW, RULES CHANGE AND, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, JUST AS IS. AND I, I THINK EVEN IN CONTRAST TO THE, TO TO THE TWO WITHIN, YOU KNOW, TWO BLOCKS OF, OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE PORCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING A, A BREAK IN THE MASSING. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT JASON'S MADE ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MADE IT, MADE IT BETTER. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT UM, DO WANT, DO WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE'RE IN A 900 SQUARE FOOT BUNGALOW ON BAYLAND. WE'RE JUST WELCOME TO A THREE WEEK OLD BABY. TIME IS SORT OF, OF THE ESSENCE HERE, SO, UM, WAS A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING TO SEE IT SLATED FOR DEFERRAL AS OPPOSED TO UM, APPROVAL WITH EXCEPTION. SO IF THERE CAN BE SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL TAKE THAT EXCEPTION AND TRY TO DO AN OFFSET AND BREAK UP THAT MASSING IT, IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT MY FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE WITH EXCEPTIONS WITH A PROMISE THAT WE GET THOSE TO YOU WITHIN A WEEK. SO YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE FOR US IS THAT WE ARE MAKING SUGGESTIONS BUT WE CAN ONLY APPROVE DRAWINGS. LIKE TYPICALLY WE HAVE A CONDITION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SIMPLE, THAT'S VERY ABSTRACT AND WE CAN MAKE SURE STAFF CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT IN THIS CASE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SORT OF DRAWN AND SO WE CAN SEE IT AND REVIEW IT AND UM, BUT I THINK YOU COULD GET BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, IN DOING, IN DOING THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK IT'S WHY STAFF MADE A DEFERRAL AS OPPOSED TO A DENIAL, UM, FOR THE SUBMISSION. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I I AND WE WERE TRYING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAFF WAS ON HOLIDAY, WHICH UH, WASN'T VERY BENEFICIAL TO US, WHICH IS WHY AGAIN WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR THIS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OUTTA OUR CONTROL. IF THAT HAD BEEN CLEAR TO US, I THINK WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT, YOU KNOW, SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UM, HEARING ON THIS. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? I WOULD MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. I'VE GOT APPROACH FROM COSCO YAP. SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT PASSES. MOVING ON ITEM 21. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LEVENTHAL TODAY SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ITEM B 21 5 28 HARBOR STREET. IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHT SOUTH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ONE STORY REAR EDITION WITH THE EXPANSION OF CONDITION SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE NORTHEAST HALF, THIS WILL BE 740 TALL SQUARE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 654 SQUARE FEET WILL BE ADDED ON THE ONE STORY REAR EDITION. 86 SQUARE FEET WILL BE ADDED OFF THE BACK WALL OF AN EXISTING SECOND FLOOR NORTHEAST HALF OF THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC REAR ADDITION. IT WILL HAVE A SIX OVER 12 ROOF PITCH WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES. THERE'LL BE A 27 FOOT MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION, EXCUSE ME, SMOOTH IAN SIDING WITH A FIVE AND A HALF INCH REVEAL JELLED WIND WOOD WINDOWS WITH A ONE OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERN. THERE WILL BE A MIX OF SINGLE HUNG AND FIXED INSET AND RECESS WINDOWS. [02:55:01] ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE WILL BE AN ALTERATION. THEY PROPOSED TO RAISE THE EXISTING FOUNDATION FROM TWO FEET TO THREE FEET. THIS WILL THEN CHANGE THE EXISTING MAX RIDGE HEIGHT FROM 30 FEET TWO INCHES TO 31 FEET AND TWO INCHES. THEY ALSO PROPOSED TO ENCLOSING EXISTING REAR PORCH AND ADD A SIDE PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE RIGHT ELEVATION. ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO REMAIN THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE AGENT SAM KOS, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU JASON. UM, YEAH, I GUESS I DON'T EVEN SIGN UP, BUT SAME, IF YOU'LL SPEAK, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM AND PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. UM, OKAY, SO WE MAINLY FOR, FOR QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE IN THIS CASE WE HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE IN THE FRONT HIDING MOST OF THIS WORK IN THE BACK. SO IT'S REALLY IN NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THIS WE HAVE THE APP, THE OPPOSITE OF OUR NORMAL, UM, CON CONDITION. I GUESS SO, BUT IF YOU, WELL ADDRESS COMMISSION ANYHOW AND, AND THERE MAY BE A QUESTION OR TWO. UH, SAM NUAS, WE UM, UH, MR. YAP PULLED THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND UH, WAS KIND OF JUST CURIOUS WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. YEAH. UH, FOR ME IT WAS QUITE STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, I RAISED THE SAME ISSUE AGAIN HERE. UH, YOU ARE IN THE ALTERATION, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I READ IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. YOU ARE PLANNING TO RAISE THE FOUNDATION TWO FEET TO THREE FEET IF I'M, IF I'M READING IT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEN WHEN I SEE THE FRONT FACADE AGAIN THAT I RAISED SOME CONCERNS EARLIER IN ANOTHER PROJECT, IS THAT ALL YOUR, UH, POLES ARE SITTING ON EXISTING BRICKS. I THINK IN THIS HOUSE, UH, I'M NOT VERY CLEAR, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO ORIGINAL BRICKS AS P UH, NO SIR. IT'S NOT, NO, IT IT, YOU THE PORCH IS, THE PORCH THAT'S THERE IS IS IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. LET ME SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE. ACTUALLY THERE'S A PICTURE I GOT THIS PHOTOS. YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE HISTORIC PHOTOS HERE AND I HAVE A PHOTO ALBUM ACTUALLY OF WHEN THEY DID THE REMODEL IN 95 THAT HAS SO MUCH INFORMATION IN IT, BUT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE LOOKED LIKE THAT. OH, GO BACK RIGHT THERE. THAT'S IT. YES. SO IT WAS A DUPLEX. SO IN THIS CASE YOU ARE GOING TO REMOVE ALL THE, UH, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WE'RE JUST GONNA RAISE, THE HOUSE IS LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE GROUND AND IT'S GOT WATER UNDERNEATH IT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE HOUSE UP SO IT'LL BREATHE. IT HAS A, A CONTINUOUS GRADE BEAM ALL THE WAY AROUND, WHICH IS KIND OF SURPRISING ON THESE HOUSES, A CONCRETE GRADE BEAM AND, UH, THE, UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT UP SO IT CAN BREATHE BASICALLY. AND SO WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WERE GONNA EXTEND THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS UP AND DO KIND OF WHAT THEY DID EARLIER IN THE OTHER HOUSE AND MAKE THOSE COL THE, THE TAPERED COLUMN ABOVE THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE ORIGINAL HOU OR THE HOUSE. NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE THOSE LONGER. YEAH, SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE COLUMNS LONGER AND NOT THE BRICKS HIGHER. RIGHT? I MEAN, I COULD DO EITHER OR IF YOU, IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE THE BRICK HIGHER, I COULD DO THAT TOO. RIGHT NOW THE BRICKS ABOUT 48 INCHES AND SO I THINK GETTING THE BRICK ANY HIGHER THAN THAT MIGHT LOOK AT A SCALE. I'D RATHER MAKE THE TAPERED COLUMN ABOVE. YEAH, ACTUALLY I PREFER YOU NOT TO MAKE THE BRICKS HIGHER. YEAH. YEAH, ME TOO. OKAY. YEAH, THAT WAS I HAD. OKAY. THANK YOU SAM. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING? I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? IS THERE A SECOND? BLAKELY SECONDS. LET SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOVING ON. ITEM 22. OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE STILL OKAY WITH TIME? WE GOT EVERY CHAIR. YOU UH, WE'RE WILTING, BUT, OKAY. UH, ITEM B 22. THIS IS A, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE NOR HILL. I'M, I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, A STAFF MEMBER AT THE CITY. THE, UH, THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION IN JEROME ON JEROME STREET. AND, AND YOU SEE HERE THE FRONT PAGE, IT'S ON AN EMPTY LOT. WE, WE SEE, WE'VE SEEN A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL HERE, UH, AT LEAST AT THE STAFF LEVEL. AND, UH, LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH TO THE NEXT, THE PAGES HERE. ACTUALLY, LEMME ASK THAT YOU GO TO THE DRAWINGS. THANK YOU, CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN PLEASE? IT'S GONNA BE ON THE LAST PAGE THERE. CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT PLEASE? SO THIS IS A UNIQUE LOT AND I HAVE A LOT OF CONTEXT PHOTOS TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FULL CONTEXT PHOTOS. THIS IS AT [03:00:01] NORTH MAINE AND JEROME IN THE VERY NORTHERN PART OF NOR HILL. AND THERE'S AN EXISTING CINDER BLOCK BUILDING THAT WAS LIKE A TIRE STORE THAT FACES NORTH MAINE. AND THEN, UH, WHERE JASON'S MOVING HIS MOUSE. THERE'S A A LOT THAT CAN BE MADE THERE, APPROXIMATELY 50 BY A HUNDRED, UH, FEET. AND UH, THAT'S NOT BEEN RE PLATTED YET. SO, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU END UP WITH AN APPROVAL HERE, WE COULD BE CONDITIONED UPON A REPL. THEY'LL NEED TO REPL THAT TO A 50 BY 100. SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROPOSAL IS. SO NOW IF WE CAN GO, UM, JASON, COULD YOU PLEASE OPEN THE SITE, VISIT THE SITE, UM, THE SITE PHOTO, THE NEXT, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT CONTEXT AREA, CONTEXT AREA. THANK YOU. AND YOU JUST PASSED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO THIS IS AN ODD ONE. THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE ITEM WE HAD BEFORE US EARLIER TODAY. THE NOR HILL ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED. OKAY, NOW THERE'S A PICTURE, UH, JASON, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH 'EM. THERE'S THE TIRE STORE THAT FACES NORTH MAINE. NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S THE CROSS THE STREET FROM THE TIRE STORE. AND THAT WHITE TRUCK IS THE CITY TRUCK I'M IN AND I'M DRIVING DOWN THAT STREET OR I'M PARKED ON THAT STREET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I WANT YOU TO SEE THE CONTEXT HERE. 'CAUSE I THINK THE CONTEXT HERE COULD COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA. SO THAT IS A PICTURE OF THE LOT. UH, NEXT SLIDE AND ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE LOT. AND THE NEXT SLIDE, THE LOT FACES. I'M SORRY, NEXT ONE MORE. THAT'S ANOTHER THERE WE'RE, THIS HOUSE IS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET. THIS IS THE ONLY NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, I BELIEVE, ON THE BLOCK. NEXT SLIDE. AND THAT'S THE REALLY FACING THE LOT. SO IT'S THEIR SIDE YARD. THEY HAVE A REALLY BIG LOT. NOW LET'S JUST STEP THROUGH THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, PLEASE, JASON. THAT'LL BE THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA GO DOWN THE STREET. IT'S A, A STREET FULL OF VERY INTACT ORIGINAL BUNGALOWS. THERE'S ONE TWO STORY REAR EDITION ON ONE OF THEM. THERE'S A TWO STORY GARAGE ON THAT ONE. UH, SO YOUR VERY TYPICAL NOR HILL, UH, SUBDUED DEVELOPMENT OR MODEST DEVELOPMENT OF THE DAY. LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION. NOW WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT BLOCK A LITTLE FURTHER AND A LITTLE FURTHER. SO WE HAVE ALL OF THESE BUNGALOWS. NOW, PLEASE, JASON, ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THESE, LET'S GO BACK, IF YOU WILL, TO THE DRAWING SET AND THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, UH, THE DRAWING SET. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE FRONT ELEVATION OF A TWO STORY, OF A PROPOSED TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A FRONT FACING DORMER. UPPER LEFT. IF WE'LL ZOOM IN. WE DID ASK THE, THE DESIGNER, THE AGENT WHO'S HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON THE PROJECT. UH, AND, AND I MENTIONED TO HIM THAT THE BRICK COLUMNS OR THE COLUMNS, THE DETAILING OF THE COLUMNS IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED, THE DETAILING OF THE COLUMNS, UH, WAS A CONCERN. AND, AND IF THEY COULD BE SIMPLIFIED. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED LEFT ELEVATION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THE TWO STORY. AND THEN THE, THE DORMER ON THE SECOND FLOOR. NOW LET'S JUST, UH, LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS. JASON, I GUESS, UH, YOU CAN GO DOWN, UH, THERE'S YOUR REAR ELEVATION ON THE LEFT, THERE'S THE LEFT ELEVATION. SO YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE AGAIN. NOW THESE DRAWINGS, THE COLUMNS WOULDN'T BE THAT DOUBLE COLUMN, IT WOULD JUST BE A SINGLE COLUMN. BUT YOU DO GET A SENSE OF THE SECOND FLOOR DORMER FACING THE STREET. SO THIS IS A VERY COMPACT DESIGN. IT, IT, IT PRESERVES THE YARD AND THEN, THEN THERE'S A DETACHED ONE STORY GARAGE. LET ME THINK OF WHAT ELSE I CAN TELL YOU GUYS. THAT'S, UH, CAN YOU GO TO THE FRONT PAGE PLEASE, JASON, OF THE REPORT? AND LET'S JUST CONFIRM THAT THE NUMBERS THERE AT THE TOP. WHAT DO WE HAVE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE? I CAN'T QUITE READ IT FROM HERE. 2,379. 2,339 SQUARE FEET. NOW STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. AND THIS IS THIS DENIAL WHERE OUR HANDS ARE TIED WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTEXT AREA, CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. YOU DON'T SEE TWO STORY. WE HAVE THAT ONE TWO STORY REAR EDITION AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SECOND FLOOR FRONT FACING, UM, GABLES. AND I ACTUALLY FORGOT TO TELL YOU ONE MORE THING, HOWEVER, IN THIS, IN CASE NOR HILL DOESN'T HAVE 'EM READY. JASON, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE CONTEXT PHOTOS AND THE LAST PAGES OF THAT? THERE ARE TWO STORY DORMERS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THE NOR HILL NEIGHBOR. SO THERE IS A CONTRIBUTING SECOND FLOOR WITH, IT'S REALLY A SECOND FLOOR EDITION, NON-ORIGINAL, BUT AN INSTANCE IN THE DISTRICT. OKAY, JUST SHARING THE NEXT PAGE, THERE IS A NEW HOUSE WITH A SECOND FLOOR DORMER FACING. AND THERE'S TWO MORE TO SHOW OF THESE, PLEASE. WHAT THEY LOOK, THEY'RE GONNA BE NEW IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE. AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE THERE AND I JUST WANNA SHARE THOSE WITH YOU BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND [03:05:01] THAT THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHEN LOOK, WHEN LOOKING AT THE OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION FELT THAT THOSE DON'T, THOSE AREN'T BAD WITH THEIR OVERALL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, UH, WE, WE WERE CONSTRAINED WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE. NOW YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON YOUR SECOND PAGE UNDER THE CRITERIA, JASON, WE GO TO THAT SECOND PAGE OF THE CRITERIA THAT I NOTE THAT IT, THIS PROPOSAL DOESN'T MEET ON THE FACE OF, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION UNLESS YOU CONSIDER IT AN ATYPICAL LOT. THERE'S A PHRASE THERE, IF WE COULD ZOOM IN, UM, ON, UH, THE SECOND, THE FOURTH NUMBER THERE. SO IF, IF YOU CONSIDER THAT THE, UH, WHERE IS IT, THE LANGUAGE THERE CONCLUSION, YOU, YOU WANT ME TO READ, YOU WANT ME TO, UNLESS CONSIDERATION IS GETTING DUE THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE THING. SO YOU DO THAT GIVES YOU AN OUT TO SAY, WELL, THIS COULD FIT. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S NEXT TO THE TIRE STORE, RIGHT NEXT NORTH MAINE. SO, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND WE THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. SO ROMAN, UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, UM, RECENTLY WE HAD A, A HOUSE THAT WAS A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSE FROM THE STREET UNDER, BASICALLY UNDER ROOF. AND THE ISSUE WAS IT WAS, UM, LARGER IN SCALE THAN ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE. SO, UM, THIS IS MY QUESTION IS ON THIS, THIS ROOF IS VERY TALL ROOF THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THESE DORMER WINDOWS ARE ON. I MEAN, PERHAPS THE DORMER WINDOWS COULD BE MADE SMALLER, BUT WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PROPORTION OF THIS, THE MASSING OF THIS IS OUT OF PROPORTION WITH EVEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION? LIKE HOW, HOW DOES THIS RATE WITH, YOU'VE SHOWED THREE, A COUPLE EXAMPLES. UM, IT'S, IS THIS, I MEAN THE, WELL IF WE, IF WE COULD ZOOM IN JASON ON THE UPPER LEFT DRAWING ONTO THE LEFT SIDE, IT GIVES US THE HEIGHTS. AND SO WE SEE WE HAVE A 9 7, 9 5. IT'S, IT'S TWO FEET AND SIX INCHES OFF THE GROUND, TWO AND A HALF FEET TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN NINE FEET, UH, FOR THE PLATE HEIGHT. SO YOU'RE AT 9, 10, 11 AND A HALF. AND THEN, UH, LOOKS LIKE APPROXIMATELY A FOOT AND A HALF FOR THE, UH, FOR THE UH, TRUSS. AND THEN THE SECOND LEVEL IS AN EIGHT FOOT. SO YOUR TOTAL, YOUR TOTAL ON THAT SIDE, WHAT DOES THAT GET YOU TO? 11, 12 AND EIGHT 20 FEET, 20 FEET? NO, BUT IN THE THEN, THEN YOUR, THAT FIRST ROOF PIT, THE FIRST LINE THE OTHER ROOF KIND OF JUMPS UP THERE IS AT 23 FEET, 27 FEET IT 20 FEET. THE DRAWINGS. YEAH. AND THEN THE 27 9 AT THE TOP. RIGHT. BUT I WAS JUST STEPPING THROUGH AS HE WAS ASKING ABOUT, I'M JUST ASKING THE, IS A PROPORTION OF THIS MASSING SIMILAR TO THE OTHER NEW HOMES? NO. AND SO THE OTHER NEW HOMES? YEAH. WELL I MEAN IT'S LARGER THAN THE EXISTING HOMES 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL ONE STORY. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT YOU DID SHOW EXAMPLES OF SOME NEW HOMES THAT HAVE SIMILAR FEATURES, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THIS LARGER IN PROPORTION TO THOSE OR IS IT SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT YOU SHOWED? I DON'T HAVE, I'M REFERRING TO THE ROOF. LIKE IT'S BASED ON THE, NOT NOT THE PORCH OR THE RAISED OFF, THE OFF THE GROUND, BUT JUST THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF IS A, IS A PRODUCT OF HOW DEEP THE SIDE ELEVATION IS AND IT'S GOING UP AND THEN BACK DOWN AGAIN. IF IT WENT OUT, IF IT DIDN'T GO BACK AS FAR AND HAD A GABLE A ROOF ON IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AS TALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A MATTER OF PROPORTION AND SCALE. WE HAD A PROJECT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER DISTRICT WHERE WE, THE, THE STRUCTURE WAS LARGER IN PROPORTION TO WHAT WAS AROUND IT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA HOW CLOSE IS THIS TO OTHER STRUCTURES? RIGHT. EVEN, EVEN NEW, EVEN IF YOU JUST COMPARE TO NEW STRUCTURES. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THOSE NEW ONES WITHOUT, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T, UH, CHECK FOR THOSE CS AND DO THAT WORK. BUT I WILL POINT THAT THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORS ASSOCIATION IS HERE AND THEY'RE EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THEIR OKAY. OF THE HEIGHTS AND HOPEFULLY, AND WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. SO WELL LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I DO HAVE A SPEAKER. UH, FIRST SPEAKER WAS JD BARTEL. JD IF YOU COULD RE REANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ANSWER MY QUESTION ANYHOW. I'M JD BARTEL. UM, I'M THE DESIGNER OF THE HOUSE. UM, YOUR QUESTION WITH THAT, I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS VIRGINIA AS FAR AS ANSWERING YOUR SPECIFICS OF YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING. THAT'S FINE. UM, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS INTENT WITH THE GABLE ON THE SIDES IS TO REDUCE THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATION, IF WE DID THE, CAN YOU SHOW THE SIDE ELEVATION? IF WE DID THE TRADITIONAL GABLE [03:10:01] FRONT, THE BUILDING WOULD ACTUALLY BE QUITE LARGER ON THE FACADE TOWARDS THE STREET. SO YOU SEE THE DORMERS ACTUALLY BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE LINE OF THE FRONT PORCH. SO IT'S ACTUALLY MASS. I'VE PUSHED ALL THE MASS AS FAR BACK AS I CAN. AND WHILE HE DID MENTION THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THE PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT EVERYONE THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH WAS HAPPY WITH WAS DROPPED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO ACTUALLY DO WHAT Y'ALL, EVERYBODY HERE WAS HAPPY WITH. THEY COULDN'T DO IT. IT WASN'T FEASIBLE. SO THIS IS A SECOND, IT'S THE SAME OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN THE SAME APPLICANT 'CAUSE THEY WERE SELLING THE LOT TO THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE. SO THIS IS A SECOND TRY TO FIND A FEASIBLE OPTION FOR A DISADVANTAGED PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO IT. SO THIS IS THE SECOND TRY TO GET THIS THROUGH. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO WAS THERE A ONE THAT WE APPROVED FOR THIS PROPERTY? UM, ROMAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, THIS, I DON'T REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, BUT I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP. BUT IT'S FROM NOR HILL. IT WAS WITHDRAWN. IT, WE DIDN'T GET AN APPROVAL ON THIS SIDE, I DON'T BELIEVE. DIDN'T MAKE IT. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK, BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT THEIR NAME ON THIS FORM. SO IS THERE, IF, IF SOMEONE FROM NOEL WANTS TO APPROACH AND JUST LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU, YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION. I THINK WE BOTH SIGNED UP THEORETICALLY. CAN WE BOTH SPEAK OR DO ONE OF, DOES ONE OF US HAVE TO SPEAK? IF YOU'RE HERE IN PERSON, YOU CAN SPEAK. OKAY. YEAH, AMANDA REYNOLDS. UM, NEIGHBORHOOD NOR A NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT. UM, AS, AS ROMAN MENTIONED, THE THE OWNERS HAVE BEEN REALLY, UM, WORKING A LOT WITH US AS A NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING IN SCALE WITH THE PROPERTY AND WITH THE BLOCK, WITH THE CONTEXT AREA. UM, I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED THAT THERE ARE FOUR, UM, HOUSES WITH SECOND STORY ADDITIONS IN THAT CONTEXT AREA AND THEY WERE SHOWN IN THE PICTURES ROMAN. UM, SO THIS SCALE OF THIS BUILDING IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN THE SMACK DAB MIDDLE OF THE SQUARE FOOT AREA FOR THIS CONTEXT AREA. AND TO BE HONEST, I'M A LITTLE BIT AT A LOSS. LIKE YOU GUYS JUST VOTED ON A HOW A BLOCK THAT HAD A CONTEXT AREA. YOU VOTED ABOVE THE CONTEXT AREA, YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE THE CONTEXT AREA AND VOTE ABOVE THAT. AND NOW YOU'RE DENYING SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. SO I FIND THAT TO BE IT, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, IT'S YOUR LEGAL DEFINITION OF CONTEXT AREA. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS VIRGINIA KELSEY. I HAVE SURGERY, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO BE CAREFUL. THERE'S THE FOUR SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY APPLY. THERE ARE FOUR OTHERS ON THAT BLOCK THAT ARE CAMELBACKS THAT ARE LARGE. YOU JUST IGNORED A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD TO STREET IN A CONTEXT AREA AND PUT A TWO STORY HOUSE. AND THEN THIS, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN SYMPATHY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE DENYING IT IF THEY WANT A TWO STORY HOUSE. WHAT IS THE OTHER OPTION TO PUT A FAUX CAMEL BACK HERE? THEY FIRST CAME TO US WITH A TWO STORY, FOUR SQUARE APART, UH, HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE OR ALLOWED ON A MID MIDBLOCK. SO WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT OPTIONS AND THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A FALSE HISTORY, A FALSE HISTORY BEING SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE A ONE STORY WITH A FALSE CAMELBACK THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ADDITION, THAT'S A NEW HOUSE THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A DORMER, THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL RESPONSE TO BUILDING A TWO STORY HOUSE IN A BUNGALOW NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY THERE'S AT LEAST THREE OTHERS. THAT WAS A RESPONSE THAT PREVIOUS HISTORIC COMMISSIONS HAVE VOTED ON AS A MEANS OF NOT CREATING A FALSE HISTORY. SO PLEASE BE CONSISTENT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY CONTEXT AREA HERE, BUT YOU'RE APPLYING A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. THAT'S, I MEAN, IT IT'S JUST SO FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CONSISTENT. PLEASE BE CONSISTENT. ARE THERE ANY [03:15:01] QUESTIONS? MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE COMMISSION HASN'T ACTED YET, SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO A, A, A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. BUT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. THAT'S MY QUESTION. WOULD WE, ARE, I MEAN, WOULD WE RATHER HAVE A ONE STORY HOUSE, NEW HOUSE? ABSOLUTELY. WOULD WE RATHER HAVE THE HOUSE A LITTLE SMALLER SCALE? OF COURSE WE WOULD, BUT THIS IS A COMPROMISE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDER WOULD DO. THEY CAME BACK AND ADJUSTED THE DORMERS. THEY CAME BACK AND LOWERED THE HEIGHT. THEY CAME BACK AND MADE IT SMALLER. THEY ADJUSTED THE PORCH IN THE BACK. THEY'VE ADJUSTED COLUMNS. THEY'VE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF EFFORT TO WORK WITH US TO SHRINK THE HOUSE DOWN AND STILL MAKE IT VIABLE AS A SALE FOR THEIR, THEIR THINGS. SO NOR HILL IS SUPPORTING IT. WOULD WE HAVE PREFERRED A, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER SCALE HOUSE? OF COURSE, BUT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT GOES WITH, THERE ARE VERY FEW NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. IT GOES WITH EVERY ONE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. THERE ARE LARGER HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK. AND SO IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE OF THE BLOCK, WHICH IS YOUR DEFINITION. MM-HMM . BUT IT ALSO HAS A DEFINITION THAT YOU GUYS CHOSE TO IGNORE IN THIS TODAY'S SESSION, WHICH IS, I'M, YOU KNOW, SHAME ON YOU GUYS FOR GOING WITH A BIGGER HOUSE THAN THAT ENTIRE CONTEXT AREA. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT DEFENSIBLE. AND YOU SPENT ALL THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT LITTLE WINDOWS AND IGNORE IN YOUR SAYING, WELL WE'RE DESIGNING, Y'ALL ARE DESIGNING FOR THESE OTHER PROJECTS. AND THEN I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION ON 10 11 HOW IT WAS EASILY ACHIEVED TO HAVE MADE IT SMALLER AND IT'S IGNORED. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I, I'M CONFUSED NOW BECAUSE WE DID GO OVER THE CONTEXT AREA ON THAT OTHER ONE. AND I KNOW OUR POLICY IS TO LET PEOPLE HAVE ADDITIONS AND MAKE THE HOUSE BIG ENOUGH FOR MODERN DAY LIFE AND NOT MAKE THEM HAVE A ONE STORY ADDITION ON THAT STREET. BUT THIS, THIS ONE I DON'T UNDERSTAND. LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO DO? WHAT, LIKE WHY, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS HOUSE? ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT THE, THE CHIEF THING REALLY WAS THE, THE FRONT FACING DORMER, UH, NOT BEING IN THE CONTEXT AREA. AND WE REALLY FELT CONSTRAINED, UH, BY THAT. I RECOGNIZE THAT NOT IN THE CONTEXT AREA ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. YES, BUT IT IS. BUT YOU DID, AS YOU SAID, YOU DID FIND IT ON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT WE'VE LET PEOPLE DO DORMERS. THERE WAS SOME HOUSE ON THE HEIGHTS WHERE THEY DID DORMERS ON IT AND WE SAID IT WAS OKAY, SO A COUPLE OF THE MEETING BEFORE THIS OR THE ONE BEFORE THAT ONE. IT'S DEFINITELY A PRODUCT OF ITS OWN TIME, BUT IT WAS IN CONSTRUCTION. SO I, I JUST, I FEEL FRUSTRATED ALSO WITH THE NOR HILL PEOPLE. 'CAUSE WE ARE MAKING CONTRADICTORY THAT THEY APPEAR TO BE CONTRADICTORY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO LIKE THAT ONE HOUSE WAS A TWO STORY DISH ON A, A STREET WITH ONLY ONE STORY HOUSES. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING HERE WHERE THEY'VE SHOWN THAT THERE'S TWO STORY HOUSES. THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT EVEN AN ADDITION. AND WE'RE STILL SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T WORK. SO IT'S LIKE, BUT WE, WE HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT. I'M SAYING, SORRY, I'M, I'M I'M SAYING SAYING STAFF IS SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK. SO WE'RE BEING, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS. YEAH, I MEAN WITH OF DENIAL. WELL, STAFF HAS MADE A DENIAL BASED ON THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE CONTEXT AREA. THEY, WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO WIDEN THAT CONTEXT AS WE ALWAYS HAVE. UM, WE'VE NEVER REF, LIKE IN OTHER AREAS, WE HAD A ONE STORY HOUSE. WE'VE NEVER REFUSED AN ADDITION. THAT WAS TWO STORIES. JUST BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS ONE STORY. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT ANYWHERE IN A DISTRICT. SO I, NO, I'M AGREEING. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SAID THE TWO STORY HOUSE ON THAT OTHER STREET WAS FINE BECAUSE THEY, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. EVERYONE DOES A TWO STORY EDITION THAT THAT'D BE UNFAIR TO MAKE SOMEONE DO ONE STORY EDITION. BUT, BUT THIS ONE, IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. SURE. AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK ROMAN HAS SIGNALED IN HIS PRESENTATION THAT THEY, THEY MADE THIS BASED ON HOW THEY READ THE LETTER OF THE LAW. BUT THIS COMMISSION, AND I CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, LEGAL, THIS COMMISSION HAS THE DEFERENCE THAT WE HAVE EXAMPLES ON OTHER NEW CONTRIBUTE, OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVE THESE DORMER WINDOWS. MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, WAS THIS IN PROPORTION TO THE OTHER NEW HOMES? [03:20:01] BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A PROJECT WHERE IT LOOKED GREAT IN THE DRAWING, BUT IT WAS SO MUCH BIGGER IN PROPORTION TO WHAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DRAWING SIDE BY SIDE. THAT WAS MY ONLY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, APPROVE THIS SUBMISSION. CAN I ASK A QUICK STAFF QUESTION? WHAT, WHAT HOUSE IS NEXT DOOR TO IT? ON THE OTHER SIDE? YOU FLASHED UP A BUNCH OF HOUSES, BUT SURE, I THINK THERE'S A FOUR SQUARE. HOW MUCH TALLER WILL IT BE? THE, THAT HOUSE? I DON'T HAVE A, UH, THE DIMENSIONS ON IT, BUT ANYONE WANNA TAKE A SHOT? I CAN DO IT MYSELF. DO WE KNOW IF THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGN AT THE SITE AND I SPOKE WITH THEM AND I, AND, AND GAVE 'EM ACTUALLY THE DRAWINGS AND I DIDN'T HEAR BACK THAT THEY WERE AGAINST THEM, BUT I ACTUALLY EMAILED THEM DIRECTLY THE DRAWING SET. COULD I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITH THAT FIRST CASE, THE EARLIER ONE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CONTEXT AREA WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, RIGHT? WAS IT NOT PROBABLY BECAUSE NOT BY STAFF. YEAH. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES DON'T EXIST YET. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT A KIM. YOU, YOU MIGHT HELP ME OUT, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED. IT SOUNDED TO ME, STEPH DID NOT SAY THIS, BUT IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE PERHAPS STAFF GAVE SOME DEFERENCE TO THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE WORKS. THAT'S ME PUTTING WORDS INTO STEPH'S MOUTH, BUT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. I WE DIDN'T, WE GOT, WE OKAY. AS A GROUP, I'VE BEEN CORRECTED AS A GROUP AS BAD AS WE WANT THEM, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING THAT. HOW IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME TOO. WELL I THINK IF, IF I'M NOT JUST, UH, HIGHLIGHTING JUST NOR HILL, BUT IN MOST OF OUR CASES, 80% OF THE ADDITIONS, NEW ADDITIONS THAT COME TOWARDS THIS COMMISSION IS ALL TWO STORY BACK ADDITIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IS THERE SUCH A BIG FUSS ABOUT WHEN IT'S SUDDENLY NO HILL COMING WITH A TWO STORY EDITION BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT ALL THE TIME. SO I CLOSED THAT SUBJECT, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECALL THERE WAS THIS CHARLIE ANGELS CASES WITH THE ROOT BUILDER. OKAY? AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE TURNED HIM DOWN LIKE THREE TIMES OR FOUR TIMES. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED? WAS IT A ONE STORY ORIGINAL HOUSE? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THIS. WAS THIS A ONE STORY AND THEN ORIGINAL WITH A BIG GIANT TWO STORY ADDITION? OR WAS HE COMING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WAS TOO FAR FORWARD? COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I TWO STORY WENT, I THINK IT'S BACKWARDS. I, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT, DIFFERENT APPLICATION. I MEAN, THE QUESTION BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER THIS COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT OR THE POSITION OF STAFF. YEAH. BUT IT HAS A CONTEXT OF CONSISTENCY. YOU SEE, WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN STAMPED DOWN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES BECAUSE OF CONSISTENCY. SO RIGHT NOW I'M BEGGING THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE COME ACROSS THESE CASES BEFORE WHETHER THIS PERSON WAS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE THE BUILDER CAME BACK AND BUILT A TWO STORY THAT WAS RIGHT FORWARD AND THEN EVENTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE THE SECOND STORY A LOT FURTHER BACK TO NOT MAKE IT LOOK SO IMPOSING, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE OF THE CONSISTENCY OF WHAT WE APPLY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENED TO THOSE, UH, CASES. JUST LIKE YOU ARE ASKING WHETHER THIS HOUSE IS, FITS THE SIZE OF WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BEFORE. SO YOU ARE ALSO SEEKING CONSISTENCY HERE, MR. CHAIR? WELL, I'M, I'M SEEKING TO KNOW THE PROPORTION OF WHAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THIS, THIS APPLICATION AND I MEAN, UM, THE APPLICANT COULD DO A SHALL APPROVE AND MAKE A A TWO STORY EDITION AND IT DOESN'T EVEN COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. SO, UM, WE'VE NEVER NOT ALLOWED A TWO STORY EDITION ON A ONE STORY HOUSE JUST BECAUSE, SO I DON'T, I THINK THE WORK CONSISTENCY IS THROWN AROUND FROM DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND I I DON'T FIND IT CONSISTENT HOW IT'S BEING APPLIED, YOU KNOW, IN MANY CASES. SO, UM, STAFF'S MADE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON A NARROW THEIR INTERPRETATION OF, OF THEIR, THEIR CONTEXT AREA. YOU, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO WIDEN THAT. AND I'M JUST ASKING THE COMMISSION, DO YOU SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE? DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION? WELL, I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, [03:25:02] ROMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE WANTED THEM TO SHOW YOU INSTEAD OF THIS DESIGN? LIKE JUST MASSING WISE? UH, I'M NOT SURE. I THINK I LIKE THE WORDING OF THAT COMMISSIONER CASH. WHAT WOULD I WANT THEM TO DO? I, I ACTUALLY THINK THIS, UM, I KIND OF HINTED AT IT AND, AND, AND THE FACT THAT I THINK THIS IS AN UNUSUAL END OF THE BLOCK WITHOUT EVEN TAKING INTO, I MEAN, NOR I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE THREE, TWO STORY CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. I JUST FLIPPED THROUGH THOSE SLIDES AND WE HAD THAT ON THE SCREEN AND WE FOUND TWO OF THEM. UH, SO THERE'S THE TWO STORY IN THE CONTEXT AREA RESOLVED, BUT THAT REALLY WASN'T IT, IT WAS THE FRONT FACING DORMER. BUT I ACTUALLY FOUND THE FRONT FACING DORMER ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND YOU ASKED ME WHAT I WOULD DO, WHAT I THINK. I DON'T, I DON'T FIND IT INAPPROPRIATE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN EXTRACTED ELEMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM THE CONTEXT AREA I'LL BE, IT'S BEEN PLACED ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND SO THE, THE DESIGN, THE CRITERIA IS SUBJECTIVE. BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING I I I FIND THAT THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS THEY'VE DONE A VERY CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF IT AND THEY FEEL THAT IT FITS IN THE CONTEXT AREA. I WOULDN'T, UM, I, THIS IS, I I I THINK THE CHAIR IS POINTING OUT, BUT WE FEEL A LITTLE CONSTRAINED BY THE ORDINANCE AS IT SITS. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO GET THROUGH. AND THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AND NEITHER WOULD'VE THE PREVIOUS ONE EITHER BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE DRAFTED IT, IT WOULD REALLY HELP CLARIFY THIS THANK YOU ROOM TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M MOTION. OH, GO FOR IT. THAT WE, THAT WE ACCEPT THE DESIGN AS IT IS. AND DO WE NEED TO DO THAT SUBJECT TO THE REPL? YES. SUBJECT TO THE REPL. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED ME? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I'M GONNA TURN THE MEETING ON COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, AND WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM BY BARELY . ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECLASSIFICATION OF 31 0 9 MORRISON IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, WE'RE STILL HOLDING. YEAH, I'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK. WE'RE STILL HOLDING A QUORUM, RIGHT? YEP. OKAY, SO THIS IS AN ITEM, UH, B IT'S SEPARATE ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS IS AN ITEM FOR A RECLASSIFICATION. AS YOU KNOW, THESE ONLY CAN COME BEFORE YOU IF THE DIRECTOR FEELS THAT RECLASSIFICATION IS APPROPRIATE. UM, IF WE, THIS IS AT 31 0 9 MORRISON STREET, 31 0 9. MORRISON IS, UH, PRESENTLY A FOURPLEX WITH AN AUXILIARY UNIT. UH, IF WE CAN GO TO THE MAIN PAGE, THE FRONT PAGE OF THAT REPORT. UM, IN SUMMARY, IN JUNE OF 2011, WHEN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE DISTRICT INVENTORY LABELED 31 0 9 MORRISON AS A 1920 AMERICAN FOURSQUARE APARTMENT CONTRIBUTING. THEN IN FEBRUARY OF 2014, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN CORRECTING THE BOUNDARY OF THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT. BUT THEY ALSO, AT THAT TIME CORRECTED A LOT OF THE INVENTORY INFORMATION AND LABELED THIS PROPERTY IN 1930 AMERICAN FOUR SQUARE APARTMENT CONTRIBUTING. WELL, IN FACT, AS THE, UH, OWNERS POINTED OUT TO ME OR US IT, THE HARRIS COUNTY BUILDING ASSESSMENT RECORDS INDICATE CLEARLY THAT THE BUILDING WAS, UM, PERMITTED, UH, AROUND AUGUST OF, UH, 1939. SO REALLY BUILT A LITTLE LATER. SO WE FELT THAT THE QUESTION HERE IS WARRANTED. UH, ALSO, WHILE WE'RE ON THE FRONT PAGE, INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT ARE 17 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR RECLASSIFICATION FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. AND IF WE GO TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT, UH, THE QUESTION IS UNDER SECTION 33 2 27 C IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE CLASSIFIED. SO WE FEEL THIS HOME APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN INCORRECTLY CLASSIFIED IN THAT THE STYLE OF THE HOME AND FORM OF CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE IN KEEPING WITH HOMES IN THE DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE PERIOD OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE QUESTION OF ITS CLASSIFICATION AGAINST SEEMS WARRANTED. AND IF WE GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE, THE CITY OF HOUSTON'S DESIGNATION REPORT, AND THIS IS TRUE FOR ALMOST [03:30:01] ALL OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY A QUOTE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, UH, THAT SAYS PERIOD OF DESIGNATION AS A TYPO PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IS NOT ACTUALLY WRITTEN ON MOST OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I THINK THE LATEST ONE IN BRUNER HARMONIA, AND WE WERE SURE TO DO THAT. SO A PERIOD IS IMPLIED IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON'S PRESERVATION MANUAL. AND THERE IT SAYS THAT THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS BECAME A, UH, A DISTRICT 2011. AND IT IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT ILLUSTRATES DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN 1907 AND 1925. NOW, AS TO THE INVENTORY TODAY, NO BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED AFTER 1938 AND IS LABELED CONTRIBUTING. AND ONLY THREE HOMES CONSTRUCTED AFTER 1930 ARE FOUR 30 WOODLAND, 5 26 WOODLAND, I MEAN FOUR 30 OMAR, 5 26 WOODLAND, AND SEVEN 11 WOODLAND. UM, SO IN EFFECT 31 0 9 MORRISON APPEARS TO BE ROMAN. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I REMODELED A HOUSE AT 6 3 6 PIE AND I FOUND OUT IT WAS BUILT IN 1936. SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE HOUSES FROM THE 1930S THAN YOU REALIZE. OKAY. WHAT ADDRESS WAS THAT? 6 3 6 PIE. 3 3 6 PIE. OKAY, SO THERE COULD BE ANOTHER ONE. THE, SO THE COMBINATION OF THE YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE STYLE APPEAR TO MAKE A CASE THAT THE ORIGINAL CLASSIFICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN NON-CONTRIBUTING. SO THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, WE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE STRUCTURE. THERE'S A INVENTORY PHOTO FROM 2010 AND 20 20TH, 13 IS ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE INVENTORY, AND THEN THE A SITE VISIT PHOTO OF RECENT, AND THEN SOME DETAILS, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE YOU TO POINT OUT ABOUT THE BUILDINGS. IT DOES HAVE EIGHT FOOT, TWO INCH CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEN THERE'S SOME IMAGES HERE THAT SHOW AN UNUSUAL CASE WHERE THE SIDING IS THAT ASBESTOS STYLE WAVY SIDING. BUT NORMALLY WHEN WE SEE THAT, WE FIND WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH. THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, JUST ON THE SHEATHING, SO THERE WASN'T ANOTHER, UH, SIDING BENEATH IT. THEN THERE'S A REAR ELEVATION PHOTO ON THE NEXT PAGE. WHAT'S UNUSUAL ON THE BLOCK? NOT THAT IT'S, UM, FOR THE RECORD, IS THAT IT'S A MULTIFAMILY THAT'S UN UNUSUAL. THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS SOME PORCH DETAILING. SO I DON'T THINK THE ORIGINAL PORCH ROOF IS ORIGINAL NOR THE COLUMNS, UH, JUST DUE TO THE, THE, THE LUMBER AND THE STYLE OF CONSTRUCTION. SO NOW WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA, THERE ARE FOUR CONTRIBUTING HOUSES ON THE 3,100 BLOCK OF MORRISON. AND ON PAGE 10, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF IMAGES OF THOSE. UH, YOU, YOU KIND OF SEE A MORE TYPICAL HIGH STYLE, UH, OR HIGHLY DESIGNED STRUCTURES ALSO ON PAGE 11 OF 12. AND SO WHILE THIS HOUSE DOES LOOK LIKE A FOUR SQUARE CRAFTSMAN, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO MEET, UH, TO FIT WITHIN THE OVERALL HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF YOU TOOK AT ALL THE PICTURES SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH ONE LOOKS DIFFERENT NOW AS ATTACHMENTS, LET'S JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IMPORTANT. APPLICANT PROVIDED, UH, THE COUNTY PAGE. AND SO ATTACHMENT, LET ME SEE IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT ANY OF THESE. ATTACHMENT A IS THE PROOF OF WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. ATTACHMENT B IS THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES A LOT MORE, UH, MANY MORE PHOTOS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OF COURSE THE ORIGINAL DESIGNATIONS, UH, AND THE NOTIFICATION MAP. SO THOSE ITEMS, THOSE ARE ALL IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET. AND I KNOW IT'S A LONG, UM, PROB A HUNDRED PAGE REPORT, BUT IN ESSENCE, FOR US AT THE STAFF LEVEL, THE REASON THIS COMES TO YOU AND AND THE DIRECTOR AGREED THAT IT SHOULD COME TO YOU IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A STRONG CASE THAT THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE RECLASSIFIED. AND THAT WAS INCORRECTLY CLASSIFIED WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS CREATED, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY 1920, THEN IT WAS 1930. UH, AND THEN THE REALITY IS WAS IT WAS A WHOLE NOTHER DECADE LATER. AND THEN JUST THE STYLE OF THE HOME. SO WE, WE WERE RECOMMENDING, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU RECLASSIFY THE STRUCTURE AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND DIDN'T DO THE WE DO, THEY WANNA DO DEMOLISH IT. THEY DO THAT. THE OWNERS WANT TO BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE, OF COURSE, WHICH WOULD COME BEFORE YOU. AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS HERE, UH, AND, UH, HE'S ABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU. HE WAS, HE AND HIS WIFE WERE, UH, VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE CREATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT UNFAMILIAR WITH IT. THEY KNOW IT, AND THEY'VE RESTORED ONE OR TWO HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PACKET, THE APPLICANT, THE ATTACHMENT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW, JASON, IF YOU CAN GET TO IT QUICKER WITH A PC THAN ME, WHAT PAGE THAT BEGINS ON. IT LOOKS LIKE IT PIGS ON PAGE 14 OF THE PDF IS WHERE THE, UH, UH, IS WHERE THAT REPORT COMES FROM, THE APPLICANT. AND I'LL [03:35:01] LET HIM SPEAK TO, TO THE CHAIR. , YOUR HONOR. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING AT THIS POINT. UM, I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, NAT SMITH. HELLO. NEXT TIME I COME, I'M GONNA BRING SOME WARM CLOTHES. IT'S FREEZING IN HERE, . IT'S, UH, THANK YOU FOR STAYING ALL THE WAY TO THE END. UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE HOME THAT YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE I, I RETRACT THAT , I THOUGHT THIS WAS NOR HILL. YES, YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A VERY, UM, UM, WELL, THERE'S A, AN INVENTORY IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS, UH, HISTORIC AREA, AND IT INCLUDES, UM, 322 HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING HOMES. AND AS, AS ROLAND SAID, UM, ONLY THREE OF THOSE WERE CONSTRUCTED AFTER 1930. AND SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE END MEMBER OF THE MOST MODERN STRUCTURE IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS CIVIC, UH, UH, AREA TO INCLUDE SOMETHING BUILT IN THE FORTIES? AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE CRITERIA FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH ARE LOVELY AND GRACIOUS AND HAVE BIG PORCHES TO A, AN INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY THAT WAS VERY CHEAPLY BUILT WITH EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS, WITH ASBESTOS SIDING, AND PRACTICALLY NO, UH, ATTRACTIVE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. UM, SO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY BLOCK. UM, I LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS. MY WIFE AND I WERE MARRIED ON THAT BLOCK IN THE EPISCOPALIAN CHURCH AT THE OTHER END OF OUR BLOCK. UH, WE'VE RAISED OUR SONS, UH, ON THAT BLOCK. UH, MY GRANDCHILDREN LIVE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY. WE LOVE THIS BLOCK. WE ARE NOT GOING TO MESS IT UP. UH, SO IF I'M GIVEN PERMISSION TO MOTION TO GRANT ADDITIONAL, ANY QUESTIONS SECONDED BY JONES? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CONTINUE. WELL, I, I, I'M, I'M DONE. UH, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I LOVE THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS. UM, HISTORY IS, IS MY PASSION. I MINORED IN ARCHEOLOGY AT UT. UM, I JUST REALLY AM PASSIONATE ABOUT FIXING UP OLD THINGS. AND, UH, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO HAVE FIXED THIS PROPERTY UP, BUT IT IS BEYOND REPAIR. AND SO, UM, I, I NEED TO START OVER AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PERMISSION TO BUILD SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I MEAN, I'M SURE THIS THING COULD BE VERY POPULAR, BUT I'M TORN ABOUT TAKING THIS OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S STILL LIKE 80 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING. AND THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE. WE CAN'T EVER GET IT BACK. BUT I AGREE, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST BUILDING EITHER. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IN NOT A GREAT STATE OF REPAIR, BUT WHO KNOWS? YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE TO LOOK AT IT. I I ALSO HAVE A DILEMMA BECAUSE, UH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT VERY FAR, BUT JUST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE IN, WE HAVE HOUSES THAT GOES FROM 1870S TO 1920S. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF THE GUY IN THE 1920 A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE DECIDES, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DEMOLISH THAT HOUSE. MOST OF THE HOUSES THERE ARE 18, UH, PRE 19 HUNDREDS. SO JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO, THREE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE 1920S, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY ARE, UH, RIPE FOR THEIR LANDFILL? RIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY DILEMMA AS WELL. RIGHT. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL MERIT, IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING TO BE WORKING IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE IS SPECULATIVE BUILDING. I THOUGHT THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS BUILDING AS AN INCOME PRODUCING STRUCTURE THAT WAS NEVER BUILT WITH NICE MATERIALS, IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE, UM, SOMETHING VALUED FOR ABOVE AND BEYOND ITS FUNCTION. SO, UM, AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK WHEN DISTRICTS ARE DEFINED, USUALLY THERE'S SOME WAY OF DECIDING [03:40:01] ON WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER IS. SO IF THIS IS LIKE A EXCEPTION AND IT WAS A SORT OF SPECULATIVE, UM, ENTERPRISE AND NOT, AND BUILDING WITH THAT WAS INTENDED AS AN ARCHITECTURAL LIKE AMENITY, I THINK I, I FEEL THAT IT, IT'S OKAY TO LET IT GO, UH, TO BE BRIEF, TO PUT IT BRIEFLY CHAIR, IF IT WOULD HELP ANYONE, I COULD START READING THE 15 LETTERS OF SUPPORT, BECAUSE REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY WEREN'T, I HAVE NEVER SEEN, NATE MUST HAVE A, A REALLY GREAT CIRCLE OVER THERE. EACH OF THESE LETTERS, THEY'RE NOT DUPLICATIVE. EACH ONE HAS A THOROUGH EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY SUPPORT RECLASSIFICATION. IF YOU, YOU, ARE THEY PRIMARILY FROM NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET? YES, THERE'S, THEY'RE ALL RIGHT AROUND THE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET IS THE NOTIFICATION MAP, 200 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY, SEVERAL, QUITE A FEW OF 'EM ARE IN THAT CIRCLE. AND NOBODY'S, UH, THEY'RE JUST RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF IT. AND I MEAN, I COULD JUST PICK ANY ONE OF THEM. THEY'RE ALL EXTREMELY OR WELL THOUGHTFULLY LAID OUT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T MIND READING 'EM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO TO. THEY DIDN'T INVITE . I'M SURE THEY'RE ALL, I'M SURE THEY'RE ALL, LIKE YOU SAID, VERY WELL WRITTEN AND, AND WOULD BE IMPRESSED TO READ THEM. MOTION. ANYONE? , DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES. , I CAN'T HELP YOU OUT ON THIS ONE. NOW YOU'VE REMOVED ME. I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE OF THAT. IT'S 80 YEARS OLD. I MEAN, I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. I ALSO SEE WHERE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IN A ATYPICAL NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT, IT DOES APPEAR TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I DO KNOW WE LEAN ON FROM TIME TO TIME AS A GAUGE FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR TOUGHER DECISIONS. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM. DO WE HAVE A, A ODD NUMBER? QUORUM? YES. TO BREAK THE TIE. SO THERE'S SEVEN OF US HERE. THERE'S ONLY FIVE. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. YEAH. SEVEN, ONE. BUT NOT THE VOTE. BUT NOT THE VOTE. SO YOU, THERE ARE ONLY FIVE VOTING MEMBERS OR FIVE VOTING MEMBERS NOW, INCLUDING YOU. I DON'T GET TO VOTE UNLESS THERE'S A TIE, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA . I'LL ADD TO THE, UH, MIX THAT THE OWNER DOES KNOW LYNN ED EDMONDSON FROM HISTORIC HOUSTON. AND, AND HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THE DISASSEMBLING THE STRUCTURE AND, AND GIVING A SECOND LIFE TO THE MATERIAL THAT'S THERE. THERE ARE HARDWOOD FLOORS AND THERE'S SHIP LAP. THE WINDOWS ARE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE, FRANKLY, THE WOOD WINDOWS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA TEST THE WATERS. UH, I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, DENIED A MOTION TO RECLASSIFY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. A SO THREE AYES. THE MOTION CARRIES OR ALL OPPOSED? JONES OPPOSES BLAKELY OPPOSES. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM D COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. I DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP. HARP SINGH. OKAY, JUST MAKING SURE. UH, AND GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME UP HERE AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS. UH, I SUBMITTED SOME APPLICATIONS, TWO OF THEM. ONE WAS FOR CHANGE OF DESIGNATION FOR A HOUSE IN THE NOR HILL DISTRICT. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE UNDER, UH, SECTION 33, 2, 2 7 UNDER THE C AMENDMENT. AND, UH, FOR SOME REASON IT DID NOT MAKE THE AGENDA. UH, SO I'M WAITING FOR THE DIRECTOR TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN RESPONSE ON, UH, WHY IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED, UH, AND PRESENTED HERE TODAY. UH, NO ONE FROM THE STAFF TOLD ME EITHER, UH, THAT THE APPLICATION [03:45:01] WAS NOT GOING TO BE MOVED FORWARD, UH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS JUST NOT COOL. UH, I THINK THAT IF WE WERE PAYING A APPLICATION FEE, UH, IT SHOULD AT LEAST BE, UH, COMMUNICATED TO THE PERSON THAT, HEY, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THIS AND GOODBYE . UH, THE SECOND APPLICATION IS FOR DEMOLITION, UM, WHICH IS, UH, ALSO APPLYING FOR SECTION, UH, C. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO COME INTRODUCE MYSELF. , THAT'S ALL IT WAS. UH, I WAS HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE. I COME, UH, BEEN HERE A HANDFUL OF TIMES. UH, I SIT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT EARLIER, JOKINGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M SNEAKY, SO . I'M LIKE, HEY, I'M GONNA COME FACE FORWARD AND INTRODUCE MYSELF. AND, UH, UH, THE, THE NOR HILL ASSOCIATION, UH, UH, I'M SURE THEY'RE, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER THESE, UH, GUIDELINES WITH THE GREATEST INTENTIONS. UH, BUT, UH, THIS, UH, GINGERBREAD HOUSE THAT I HAVE ON 14TH STREET IS, UH, HAS BEEN NEGLECTED. UH, AND IT, IT GOES TO SHOW WHERE ABUSE OF POWER COMES INTO PLAY. AND MR. HAR, I JUST WANNA, I'M NICOLE BRUSARD. I SPOKE TO YOU TWO DAYS AGO. OH, HEY. ON THE PHONE. HELLO. AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT. IT WASN'T ON TODAY'S AGENDA. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. NO, I KNEW THAT. I JUST WANTED TO COME INTRODUCE MYSELF. UH, UHHUH. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR, AND WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING YOUR RESPONSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE US SOME TIME, LIKE I SAID. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND, UH, OH, ONE MORE THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT, UH, IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR, UH, BUT I THINK GUTTERS SHOULD BE ADDED, UH, ON THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND ON THE NEW ADDITION PART AS WELL. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON SIGNED UP. A MOLLY HARDING. OH, THAT'S IT. HI. I AM SO SORRY. I'M MOLLY HARDING. I JUST, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. AND MY ITEM, WE HAVE TO ADJOURN. IT'S B 19 3 7 0 8 AUTO BOND. UM, I BELIEVE WAS PART OF THE, THE MOTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WHERE I WASN'T HERE TO APPROVE THE, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND IT WAS FOR A DENIAL. AND I WAS HOPING JUST THAT I COULD BE HEARD SINCE I, I KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME AND WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD IF I COULD. I HAVE TO. WE WE'RE LOSING A QUORUM, SO THE MEETING IS GONNA HAVE TO ADJOURN, BUT, UM, I THINK FOR PUBLIC SPEAK, SPEAKING, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION. I DON'T, IT'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON AT THIS POINT. WE'RE NOT, YEAH, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REOPEN ANYTHING. I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK, BUT THAT IS ALL . I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE AND DOES WHAT I SAY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE OR LIKE, UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA NOT SAY SOMETHING AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS B 19 PASSED ON CONSENT? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU TALK TO STAFF FIRST ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE FOR THE PROJECT. UM, THERE IS AN APPEALS PROCESS AVAILABLE AS WELL. SO, BUT, UM, I WOULD START WITH STAFF AND, AND GO WITH THEM AND, AND SEE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, BECAUSE YOU'RE SPEAKING ON ITEM B 19, CORRECT? THE COR ON WINDOW REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. SO WAS IT, SO I WOULD GET WITH THEM ABOUT HOW TO COMPLY WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. WHAT? NO, YOU STILL HAVE COMMENTS FROM HIS PRESERVATION MEETING? THERE'S NO AMENS FROM THE HHAC . ALRIGHT. MEETING ADJOURNED OR DO YOU HAVE ADJOURNED? ALRIGHT, BYE GUYS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.