* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on July 18, 2024.] [00:00:16] IT'S NOW TWO. IT'S NOW 2 36, UH, THURSDAY, JULY 18TH, 2024. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION. HAHC IS CALLED TO ORDER. I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. VICE-CHAIR, UH, WI JACKSON. PRESENT. UH, COMMISSIONER JONES. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER DUBOSE. COMMISSIONER BLAKELY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER VEDA PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CURRY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YAP. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STAAVA. COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT. AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OLAND. PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A, ALMOST HAVE A FULL, FULL, UM, ALMOST EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE. UM, WE WILL START WITH THE, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT FOR, UH, JENNIFER OLAND. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'M JENNIFER OLAND, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, AT LEAST TILL TOMORROW. UM, , MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, UM, WELCOMING A NEW DIRECTOR ON BOARD MONDAY, AND YOU WILL PROBABLY, UH, BE MEETING HER, UM, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING FOR SURE. UM, WE TRIED TO GET HER TO COME TOMORROW TO THE TRAINING, BUT SHE, UM, SHE, HER SCHEDULE IS FILLED UP WITH OTHER MEETINGS, SO, UM, BUT, UH, YES, I'M RETIRING AFTER A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME HERE AT THE CITY, SO KIND OF BITTERSWEET. BUT, UM, I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH, WITH Y'ALL AND LEARNING ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PART OF ME, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LIKE, JUST AS I WAS GETTING TO KNOW IT, , UM, I'M LEAVING. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. UM, MOST APPRECIATED. UM, UH, THANK YOU . UM, JUST A, A REMINDER TO YOU AND INFORMATION, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, THE CAMP WORKSHOP IS TOMORROW JULY 19TH. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME AND SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO ACTUALLY GET IT GOING. UM, AND THAT'S CAMP STANDS FOR COMMISSION ASSISTANCE AND MENTORING PROGRAM. AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEING FUNDED, UM, PARTIALLY BY A GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS AND THEN PARTIALLY BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT AT THE EL DORADO BALLROOM. I HEAR THEY GOT ELECTRICITY YESTERDAY, BUT WE NEEDED TO FOR CATERING AND OTHER PURPOSES, WE NEEDED TO GET GOING SO WE ANOTHER TIME. BUT YOU CAN BE IN THE HISTORIC SIX 11 WALKER BUILDING, UM, TOMORROW, UH, THE, UM, AND HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF SOME PRESERVATION WORK, UM, THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, UH, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO TODAY'S AGENDA. STAFF RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 32 APPLICATIONS SINCE YOUR LAST UPDATE IN JUNE. THERE WERE FOUR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND EIGHT PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS. CITY COUNCIL HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 26TH ON SEVEN PROPOSED LANDMARKS AND PROTECTED LANDMARKS. THEY'RE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED, UM, FOR NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL AGENDA. UH, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SURE. WE'LL SHOOT YOU AN EMAIL WHEN WE KNOW FOR SURE WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE COMING, YOU KNOW, NEW MAYOR, NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, BUT THOSE WE EXPECT TO GO FORWARD SOON. UM, AND IN CLOSING, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, UH, PLEASE CALL US, UH, THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. UM, WE WILL NOT HAVE A MAYOR'S LEE AS ON REPORT TODAY, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS CON THE CONSIDERATION OF THE JUNE 20TH, 2024 HAHC MEETING. MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR REVISIONS? AND IF NOT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA FILES A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. OKAY. I HAVE A FIRST, IS THERE A SECOND? STAAVA SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM A, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLAN AT 6 1 2 [00:05:02] WAVERLY STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS INTERN JARIUS JONES. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLANT. LOCATED AT SIX 12 WAVERLY STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. THE HU THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLANT IS LOCATED AT THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS COMMUNITY. IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A FOUR STORY BUILDING MADE OF CONCRETE AND BROWN FIREPROOF BRICK. WITHIN THE MID 20TH CENTURY ERA. THE BUILDING IS IRREGULARLY SHAPED AND CONSISTS OF FOUR REGULAR RECTANGULAR COMPONENTS PLUS A LOADING DOCK. THE FRONT SECTION OF THE TOWER IS THE TALLEST COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING AND THE OCCUPIES THE SMALLEST FOOTPRINT. IT IS THREE BAYS WIDE ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION, AND THE FOUR BAYS WIDE AND FOUR BAYS WIDE ON THE EAST FRONT ELEVATION. SWIFT AND COMPANY WAS ONE OF THE BIG FIVE MEAT PACKING COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES DURING THE 20TH, THE 19TH AND 20TH CENTURIES. IN 1917. WHILE VISITING HOUSTON SWIFT AND COMPANY ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, GL NOBLE MADE THE REMARK THAT HOUSTON WOULD MAKE AN IDEAL SPOT FOR THE PACKING PLANT DUE TO SHIPPING FACILITIES AND LARGE NUMBERS OF CATTLE IN THE VICINITY. IN LATE 1954, SWIFT AND COMPANY ANNOUNCED THE OPENING OF A NEW PACKING PLANT IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, BECOMING THE LARGEST IN THE SOUTH UP UNTIL THE 1970S. IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST AND INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES NATIONWIDE AND KNOWN AS THE LEADER OF INNOVATION IN THIS INDUSTRY. THE SWIFT PLANT MEETS CRITERIA 1, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA, ONE FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PROTECTED LA LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE SWIFT AND COMPANY PACKING PLANT LOCATED ON SIX 12 WAVERLY STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY AMANDA COLEMAN AND SUPPLEMENTED BY INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT, STEVE RAHAM, IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGNATION. I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS APPLICATION? OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP IN ON PAPER TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, BUT IF ANYONE IS HERE IN THE ROOM AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME AND APPROACH THE PODIUM. IF YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS OR ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? COSGROVE MOVES TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY, WE'D OUR JACKSON SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM B, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR SHADOW LAWN. DR. AND MRS. ROBERT A. JOHNSTON HOUSE AT SEVEN SHADOW LAWN STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ITEM B FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE DOCTOR DOCTRINE. MRS. ROBERT A. JOHNSTON HOUSE LOCATED AT SEVEN SHADOW LAWN, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5. THE JOHNSTON HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SHADOW LAWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A TWO STORY RED BRICK GEORGIAN STYLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING CONSTRUCTED IN 1928 BY ARCHITECT VANCE PHOENIX. SEVEN. SHADOW LAWN WAS ONE OF EIGHT HOUSES COMPLETED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN 1925 AND 1929 AND CONTINUES TO RETAIN EXCELLENT INTEGRITY. AS IS TYPICAL OF GEORGIAN HOUSES. THE FRONT FACADE IS SYMMETRICALLY ARRANGED. IT CONSISTS OF THREE MAIN BAYS. A LARGE CENTRAL RECTANGULAR BAY IS BALANCED ON EACH SIDE WITH BAYS OF EQUAL SIZE AND COORDINATING DESIGN. DR. AND MRS. JOHNSON LIVED IN THE HOME FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS UNTIL THE EARLY 1970S. MRS. MARIE LOUISE HOG JOHNSTON WAS THE GREAT NIECE OF GOVERNOR JAMES S HOG. HER HUSBAND, DR. ROBERT JOHNSTON WAS A PROMINENT PHYSICIAN IN THE HOUSTON MEDICAL COMMUNITY SPECIALIZING IN OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY AND WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE OB GYN DEPARTMENT AT THE HOUSTON CLINIC IN 1920S. THE JOHNSTON HOUSE MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN CRITERIA ONE AND THREE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE DOCTOR AND MRS. ROBERT A. JOHNSTON [00:10:02] HOUSE LOCATED AT SEVEN SHADOW ON HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5. THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF MEMBER KARA QUIGLEY AND SUPPLEMENTED BY INFORMATION PROVIDED BY PRESERVATION HOUSTON, THE APPLICANT. ALEX WEBB IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGNATION AND IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. EMILY ARWIN FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I AM ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. COUCH, IS THIS ALREADY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE SHUTTLE ON HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT LISTED SEPARATELY? I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT COULD SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE FOR PRIDE AND RECOGNITION OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND AS MENTIONED, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS ALEX WEBB. HI THERE. I'M ALEX WEBB. UM, I STARTED THIS, BASICALLY WANTED TO EDUCATE MY PARENTS ABOUT THEIR HOME, UH, THAT THEY BOUGHT TWO YEARS AGO. THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF IT, WANTED TO KNOW THE HISTORY AND WE JUST WANTED TO HONOR THE HOME AS ITS CUSTODIANS, UH, AS IT GOES THROUGH TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UM, IS EMILY ARGAN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. UM, I'M EMILY ARAND WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND I WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT OF THE NOMINATION. UM, OUR STAFF MEMBER, KATHLEEN NUNO, CONTRIBUTED TO IT AND EVEN THOUGH IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE SHADOW ON HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT ALSO STANDS ON ITS OWN AS A PROPERTY WORTHY OF PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. SO, UH, WE SUPPORT THE NOMINATION AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF SO, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF, IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MAKES MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE DOMINATION FOR PRO PROTECTED LANDMARK. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? YEP. SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT. AGENDA. TERRANCE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION, UH, GUEST TODAY, THE HAC CONSENT ITEMS FOR JULY 18TH, 2024. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC. I AM TERRENCE JACKSON. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING NINE ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION ITEM C 2 7 1 3 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET REVISION WINDOWS FREELAND, HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDATION DEFERRAL ITEM C 4 1 0 2 8 ARLINGTON STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM C 5 1 9 6 6 WEST GRAY STREET, ALTERATION OF AWNINGS, WINDOWS AND A SIGN. UH, LANDMARK RIVER OAKS. THE, I MEAN, YES. UH, RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM C 7 83 27 GLEN LOCK DRIVE, ALTERATION WINDOWS IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT. RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL ITEM C 8 83 31 GLEN CREST STREET ALTERATION WINDOW WINDOWS IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL ITEM C 9 5 2 5 WOODLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT. UH, THIS WAS DEFERRED BY APPLICANT ITEM C 10 18 36 COURTLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM C 11 18 36 COURTLAND, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AND ITEM C 12 915 COLUMBIA STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL THAT WOULD MAKE FOR ITEM C TWO, C FOUR, C FIVE, C SEVEN, C EIGHT, C NINE, [00:15:01] C 10, C 11, AND C 12 STEP RECOMMENDS ONE, THREE, AND SIX FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD, UH, LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL, UM, PRESENTATIONS? MR. COUCH? CAN WE PULL NUMBER 10? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? WOULD THAT INCLUDE 11 AS WELL? UH, SURE. OKAY. SO WE'LL PULL OUT 10 AND 11. ANY OTHER PROJECTS? AND I'M GONNA JUST ASK AND FOR THE PUBLIC, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP ON THE PUBLIC ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, BUT IF THERE IS ANY, UH, ANYONE THAT'S HERE FOR THESE ITEMS AND YOU, UH, IF YOU ARE AGAINST THE, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, WE CAN PULL IT AND DISCUSS IT. BUT IF YOU ARE FOR THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING OR SPEAK. OKAY. SO NOT HEARING THAT. UM, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE, UH, ACTIONS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR, FOR ITEM 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 8, 9, AND 12 CURRY. SO MOVES. OKAY, BUT FIRST, IS THERE A SECOND? YEP. SECONDS. YEP. SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE 14. SHADOW ON GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY. I SUBMIT ITEM C ONE AT 14 SHADOW LAWN IN SHADOW LAWN HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING FRENCH MEMORIAL STYLE 2,665 SQUARE FOOT, THREE STORY MASONRY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND NON-CONTRIBUTING DETACHED GARAGE, SITUATED ON A 34,782 SQUARE FOOT, SEMI-CIRCULAR LOT WITH THREE VIEWPOINTS ON ALL SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. 14 SHADOW LAWN WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1923 BY ARCHITECT JW NORTHROP, AND WAS THE FIRST RESIDENCE TO BE BUILT IN THE SHADOW LAWN NEIGHBORHOOD IN 1931. NORTHROP MADE A SUBSTANTIAL ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY FOR RESIN JH HOOK COOKER, EXCUSE ME, AND HIS WIFE. BY 1944, THE BUILDING INCLUDED A TWO STORY SIDE WING, REAR ADDITION AND DETACHED GARAGE. IN 1989, THE HOME WAS REMODELED TO ITS EXISTING CONDITION. AFTER A DEFERRAL AT THE JUNE HHC MEETING, MUCH COLLABORATION HAS TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT NEIGHBORS AND HOP STAFF TO REVISE THE DESIGN AND ENSURE COMMENTS OF CONCERN ARE ADDRESSED. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CIRCA 1930S TWO STORY REAR EDITION AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW 1077 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THE NEW PORTION OF THE BUILDING WILL CONNECT THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE NEW 732 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY ATTACHED GARAGE, AS WELL AS A REAR COVERED PORCH. THE DESIGN IS MEANT TO INCORPORATE THE ORIGINAL 1923 BUILDING FOOTPRINT PER THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION FOUND ON PAGE 12 THROUGH 20 OF THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS RETAIN THE EXISTING TWO STORY SIDE WING, WHICH WAS ADDED IN 1931 AS PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN FRONT FACADE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. JAY HURT A RESIDENT OF SHADOW LAWN HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. KEYS OF 4G OF DYLAN. KYLE ARCHITECTS IS ALSO HERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REVISED DESIGN. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THE ITEM? UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, PLEASE. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST KNOW WHY WAS THIS NOT PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF IT WAS APPROVAL? UH, BECAUSE THERE WERE RESIDENTS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT, AND SINCE IT HAD BEEN DEFERRED FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SHOW THE COMMISSION THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING. I I HAVE THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM AND I'LL START WITH, UM, THE FIRST PERSON WHO SIGNED UP IS JAY HURT. MY NAME IS JAY HURT. I LIVE AT FOUR SHALON STREET, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM 14 SHALON. [00:20:01] UM, I HAVE LONG BEEN A PROPONENT AND ADVOCATE FOR HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION. UM, MY PERSONAL VIEW AS HOUSTON MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEST REPUTATION OVER THE DECADES AROUND THAT. SO I'M PLEASED WITH WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS DOING AND WHAT STAFF IS DOING AND, AND TALENTED ARCHITECTURE DOING AS WELL. MY PERSONAL VIEW AS HISTORIC BUILDINGS OUGHT TO BE EMBRACED, MAINTAINED, AND MADE FUNCTIONAL FOR MODERN LIVING. OTHERWISE, THEY CEASE TO EXIST AS TIME GOES ON. UM, I'M HERE, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO. I I CAME AND SPOKE, UH, FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY, PERHAPS, UH, AGAINST THE PROJECT. UM, BUT I WANNA SAY IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS OR SO, THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN STAFF, THE, THE ARCHITECT, THE NEIGHBORS, PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND REALLY I JUST COME HERE TO THANK YOU FOR THAT EFFORT. UM, SPECIFICALLY KARA QUIGLEY IS A, A CREDIT, UH, TO THE CITY AND TO THIS COMMISSION. UH, I THANK THE COMMISSION. I THANK DYLAN AND HIS TEAM WHO LISTENED AND THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDERED THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNED AND INCORPORATED THOSE INTO THE NEW NEW DESIGN. ALSO, THANK PRESERVATION HOUSTON FOR PROVIDING SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE TO US, UH, THREE WEEKS AGO. AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS NEW STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED WILL BE A, UM, IS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, AND WILL HELP MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF SHADOW ON HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WAS OUR NEIGHBOR'S OBJECTION, OUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. SO I CAME DOWN SIMPLY TO SAY THANK YOU. SO I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS AND I THANK EACH OF YOU AND THE STAFF AS I SAID, THANK YOU. SUPPORT. OKAY, THE NEXT PERSON WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, AS MENTIONED WAS ISA FERGE. UH, HI, MY NAME IS KEA FORGE. I'M, UH, WITH THE DESIGN TEAM AT DILLON COLLEGE ARCHITECTS. UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD HERE TODAY, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE HERE AND YOUR TIME AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD WITH OUR CLIENTS. SO THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS DYLAN KYLE. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BACK. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I KNOW, UH, A LOT, A LOT OF REVISIONS WERE MADE AND, AND THOUGHTFUL, UH, BACK AND FORTH, UM, CONVERSATIONS TOOK PLACE. AND SO, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS COMING BACK TO US AND WITH EVERYONE SMILING AND, UM, IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S REALLY A, A, A SUCCESS. SO, UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER WEAU JACKSON MAKES MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. OKAY, COSGROVE COSGROVE. SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM 3 17 17 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON, AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM C3 AT 7 1 7 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET, A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME TO BE LOCATED IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY PROPERTY WILL INCLUDE A NON-CONTRIBUTING 3,598 SQUARE FOOT. TWO STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITUATED ON A 7,180 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE. THE TOTAL DESIGNED AREA IS 4,906 SQUARE FEET. SEA BREAKDOWN OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON PAGE 22 OF 34, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TOTAL CONDITION SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3,598 SQUARE FEET CONSISTING OF 2048 SQUARE FEET ON LEVEL ONE AND 1,550 SQUARE FEET. ON LEVEL TWO, THE MAXIMUM WIDTH IS 41 FEET BY 10, I MEAN 41 FEET, 10 INCHES, AND THE MAXIMUM DEATH IS 88 FEET, SIX INCHES. A FRONT SETBACK OF 13 FEET, ONE AND A HALF INCHES TO THE PORCH, AND 18 FEET, FOUR INCHES TO THE FRONT WALL. THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT OF 28 FEET AND THE MAXIMUM EVE HEIGHT IS AT 19 FEET. 11. THE ROOF PITCHES ARE THREE AND A HALF OVER 12, FOUR OVER 12, SIX OVER 12, 10 OVER 12 AND 13 OVER 12. THE SIDE SETBACKS ARE THREE FOOT, ONE INCH AND FIVE FOOT. UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME, A REAR SETBACK OF 17 FEET AT THE GARAGE ON THE [00:25:01] NORTH AS PER REQUIRED BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON. THE PROPOSED CLADDING IS SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A FOUR INCH REVEAL AT THE FRONT AND WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL AT THE REMAINDER OF THE STRUCTURE. ALL WINDOWS ARE TO BE INSET AND RECESS ONE AND THREE QUARTER INCH. THE IN INSET SHALL BE FROM THE FACE OF THE WINDOW UN WINDOW UNIT TO THE FACE OF THE INTERIOR CASING. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 12 OF 37 TO REVIEW THE REPL AND THE SURVEY. THE SITE IS, THE SITE IS INDEED A UNIQUE CORNER LOT LAYOUT, WHICH COULD CAUSE FOR A VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE AT THREE OF THE FOUR ELEVATIONS. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT THE OWNER AND THE AGENT DEFERRED THE PROJECT FOR THE JUNE 20TH HAHC MEETING AND HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO SLIGHTLY DECREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, STAFF FEELS THAT THE STRUCTURE IS MASSIVE IN COMPARISON TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF HAS RECEIVED 13 LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FROM THE RESIDENTS OF FREELAND 11, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. AND TWO, WHICH STAFF REQUEST TO BE SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD. SORRY, I GOT A LOT OF LETTERS OF STAFF. HAS ALSO RECEIVED, UH, SIX LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME, THREE BEING DATED JUNE 6TH, WHICH IS BEFORE THE DATE OF RECEIVING THE REDESIGN, AND THREE BEING DATED, UH, JULY 18TH. THESE LETTERS INCLUDE SUPPORT FROM THE FUTURE RESIDENT AND FIVE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES, KARA'S COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. DID THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DO YOU KNOW? UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE AGENT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE I CAN. I DO KNOW THAT ONE LETTER IS FROM THE OWNER OF 7 13 5 AND A HALF. AND, UM, GEEZ, ONE IS FROM A FUTURE RESIDENT, THE REMAINING FOUR ARE FROM COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. STAFF WOULD ASK THAT THE MEMBER MEMBERS OF THE HAC, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME. THREE READ THROUGH THE LETTERS PROVIDED AS ATTACHMENT A AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR RECORD STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A COA CHAIR AND COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THE AGENT JUSTIN PATTERSON, IS HERE TO SPEAK ALONG WITH JEAN TAYLOR AND CECILIA TWEER ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TERRANCE. UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? HERE WE GO. UH, TERRANCE, WE SAW THIS BEFORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MONTHS AGO. NO, NOT THIS ONE. WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WAS IT? BECAUSE WE SAW AN IMPROVEMENT TO THIS LOT AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST. I 7 1 3. YEAH, THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS A SIM THERE IS A PROJECT AT 7 1 3 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF. THAT'S VERY SIMILAR IN THE FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT. OKAY. BUT THIS IS NEXT DOOR. OKAY. SO I'M GETTING CONFUSED. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE. UH, TERRANCE, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ON PAGE 12 OF 37 THAT THERE WAS A REPL, SO THEY MADE THE LOT EVEN BIGGER THAN THE TWO PREVIOUS LOTS. NO SIR. UM, THE REASON THAT THE LOTS WAS LOT WAS RE THE REASON THAT THE LOTS WERE REPLANTED IS BECAUSE THOSE TWO AREAS THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE IN THAT HAVE BOLD LINES, THEY WERE ALL ONE LOT. AND IT WAS RELA REPLANTED TO MAKE IT TWO. TO MAKE IT TWO. YES SIR. AND SO THIS HOUSE NOW IS ON THE INSIDE LOT? NO, THIS HOUSE IS ON THE OUTSIDE THE CORNER LOT GREEN LOT. YEAH. YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? UH, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, PLEASE. YES, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, HOW DOES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS HOUSE COMPARE TO CONTRIBUTING HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IS THERE SORT OF AVERAGE? AND THEN THE OTHER IS, UH, WHAT'S THE SORT OF RATIO OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT? UM, I HAVE TO BE HONEST, WE ARE, I AM NOT AWARE OF THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO KNOW THAT THIS, SO THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING HOMES WERE TYPICAL ONE STORY BUNGALOWS THAT WERE ALLOWED TO PUT CAMELBACKS ON THE BACK OF THEM WHEN THEY DID THEIR ADDITIONS. RIGHT. SO THIS ONE IS A TWO STORY HOME THAT IS BEING BUILT. IT IS MADE OF, OF COURSE IT'S MADE TO LOOK LIKE A ONE STORY HOME AT THE, UH, VERY FRONT, BUT IT DOES ELEVATE MUCH FURTHER UP TO THE, UH, FRONT OF THE HOME THAN, THAN THE OTHERS. AND THE, THE OTHER QUESTION, DOES IT COVER PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE LOT OR IS THERE YARD AROUND IT? [00:30:01] I JUST, UH, THERE IS ROOM I, I, AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT PAGE THAT IS. SORRY, BACK THIS DASH LINE HERE. UH, WITH THE SITE, IS IT PAGE 22? MUCH OF THE, THAT'S OPEN IF YOU, YOU GO YEAH, LIKE HERE YOU CAN SEE. SO ON PAGE 13 OF 37, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A SITE PLAN. THERE IS AREA FOR, UH, DESIGNATED FOR A FUTURE POOL. UM, BUT IT, IT DOES COVER UP A LOT OF THE LOT. SO WHERE'S THE STREET? OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF? TERRENCE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE, UM, SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT A LITTLE TO REVISE THIS? YES, MA'AM. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SLAB VERSUS PIER VERSUS NO, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MASSING, BUT THAT WAS NOT OKAY. UH, THAT WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. OKAY, THANKS. AND TERRENCE, YOU DID, YOU HAD A MEETING ON SITE? YES, SIR. WITH, AND SOME COMMISSIONERS JOIN YOU IN THAT MEETING? YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SABA AND I WERE THERE. IS THIS HOUSE IN THE FLOODPLAIN HUNDRED YEAR? I AM NOT AWARE SIR. I'M SORRY. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BAYOU, RIGHT? I, YES SIR. YES, IT CERTAINLY IS, BUT UM, THERE'S QUITE AN ELEVATION DIFFERENCE THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION EITHER. DOESN'T IT APPEAR TO BE AN ISSUE? UM, THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? MR. YEAH, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO VISITED THAT SITE? CAN CAN WE ASK THE QUESTIONS HERE? UH, I THINK WE CAN. I'D ASK LEGAL CERTAINLY. YEAH. DO WE HAVE TO ANSWER THEM? YEAH, THEY THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY SHARE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR INFORMATION AND, AND YEAH. UH, IF, IF IT IS, IF IT IS ALLOWED, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU WENT TO THE, THE SITE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER HOUSES ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF IT OR ALONGSIDE IT, IS THIS HOUSE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED VERY MUCH LARGER IS MY QUESTION? YES. AS PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF OUR VISIT, I WOULD SAY IT WAS VERY MUCH LARGER. UH, THAT SAID, IT'S BEEN REDUCED SOMEWHAT FOR THIS APPLICATION, SO IT'S MAYBE A MATTER OF DEGREE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE MIGHT DETERMINE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONTEXT. UM, AND MAYBE, UH, TERRENCE WOULD SPEAK TO THE ISSUES OF, UH, UH, RELATIVE SETBACK ON THE BLOCK, UH, OF THE PROPOSED POST, UH, BUILDING. AND, AND ALSO THERE WAS, I WOULD ADD, UH, INITIALLY THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT THE PLATTING OF THE LOT ITSELF AND WHAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED AS RELATES TO THE BUILDING SITING. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW SO FAR IF THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED HERE SINCE OUR MEETING. ARE ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO EITHER OF THOSE? SO AS FAR AS THE PLAT IS CONCERNED, WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO, UH, SPEAK ON THAT. WE ARE LOOKING INTO, UM, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN RELATION TO THE HOME NEXT DOOR, COMMISSIONER CURRY, UM, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO BE SEVEN SQUARE FEET SMALLER THAN THE HOUSE THAT WE KIND OF SOUGHT REFUGE FROM THE SUN. I, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL PLEASE. MR. MCNEIL, WHAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE PLATTING OF THE LOT? SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE PLATTING AND THE DEDICATION OF THAT AREA THAT CURVED WHAT APPEARS TO BE A ROAD, MAYBE A ROAD MAY JUST BE SOMETHING THAT PREVIOUS RESIDENTS HAD KIND OF PAVED OVER. WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WE'VE GOT A GAP IN THE PLATTING RECORDS. THE ORIGINAL AREA WAS PLATTED IN 1920, THEN THERE WAS A LATER PLAT THAT WE FOUND IN 24, BUT WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. UM, THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY GIVE US MORE INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY. UM, WHICH COULD BE IMPORTANT PERHAPS TO THE, TO THE SCALE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING. UM, LET ME MAKE ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT WITH REGARD TO THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. REMEMBER THAT EACH PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNIQUE. SO WHAT HAPPENED ON SEVEN 13 IS NOT PRECEDENT SETTING. AND AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS IS CERTAINLY A UNIQUE PIECE OF [00:35:01] PROPERTY WITH THAT CURVATURE AND EXISTENCE OF POSSIBLY A ROAD. SO CERTAINLY COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO KIM AND TERRANCE, IF THERE ARE UNKNOWNS AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THIS, WOULD THIS NOT BE A CANDIDATE FOR DEFERRAL INSTEAD OF THE RECOMMENDATION? WELL, OKAY. I THINK YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO THE AGENT FIRST BE BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SOLELY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I KNOW IN, IN SPEAKING AND WORKING WITH, UH, JUSTIN, UM, AND I'VE WORKED WITH JUSTIN ON MANY PROJECTS, I THINK WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD JUST BRING THIS BECAUSE THEY FELT IT. I MEAN, AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT THEY FELT THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING THEIR CLIENT A DISSERVICE IF THEY KEPT DEFERRING AND NOT AT LEAST TRYING TO COME TO COMMISSION AND GET, UH, EITHER A DENIAL OR APPROVAL OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT IT DEFINITELY IS ON THE TABLE FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE. AND I BELIEVE KIM, WE CAN ONLY DEFER IT ONE MORE TIME OR CAN DEFER JUST AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT. THIS IS NOT GOVERNED OH, UNDER THE CODE. YES, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. SORRY. WITHOUT MAKING, I WAS THINKING 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK FOR SUBDIVISION PLANTS. THAT, THAT'S FINE. BUT THE BASIC ISSUE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S, IT'S A MUCH, THE LOT IS MUCH NARROW AT THE REAR OF THE LOT AND WHETHER THE, THE ROAD HAS EXISTED THERE OR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING IT AS A ROAD. UM, BUT WHETHER IT'S THERE OR NOT DETERMINES WHETHER THE HOUSE IS VISIBLE FROM THREE SIDES OR TWO SIDES, BASICALLY IS, BUT THE BIG INFERENCE, I GUESS I TAKE FROM THAT. BUT, UM, BUT THERE IS STILL AN APPLICATION BEFORE US AND WE CAN REVIEW IT. SO, SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKERS. AND I'M GONNA GO IN ORDER OF WHO SIGNED UP. AND THE FIRST SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS CECILIA OTTEN WILLER. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CECILIA OTTEN WELLER AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE FREELAND DISTRICT. I LIVE AT 5 31 FRAZIER STREET. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2000. MY HUSBAND AND I ALTERED OUR HOUSE FOR ONE OF THE FIRST ALTERATIONS JUST BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WAS CREATED. AND WE WERE VERY MINDFUL IN THE ALTERATION OF OUR HOME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ADHERED TO WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS THE HISTORIC PRECEDENCE THAT HAD BEEN SET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE LONG BEEN ADVOCATES FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND MAKING SURE IT MAINTAINED ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY. UNFORTUNATELY, A FEW YEARS AGO WE LOST ONE OF OUR STRUCTURES, SO WE DID HAVE TO HAVE A STRUCTURE, UM, BUILT UNTIL THAT POINT. WE WERE THE LAST INTACT HISTORIC DISTRICT IN HOUSTON. WHEN THAT STRUCTURE WAS CREATED IN OUR DISTRICT, YOU ALL MADE SURE THAT IT ADHERED TO THE ESTABLISHED STANDARD THAT WAS IN OUR DISTRICT AND TO THE LAWS OR THE RULES THAT YOU ESTABLISHED. FOR SOME REASON, YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGED THE WAY YOU DO THINGS. YOU ALLOWED A HOUSE ON 7 1 3 AND FIVE AND A HALF. THAT DOES NOT ADHERE TO THE WAY THAT THIS DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED. AND YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS STRUCTURE, WHICH JUST TOTALLY BLOWS ME OUTTA THE WATER. MY HUSBAND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ELOQUENT THAN I AM AND HE WROTE A BEAUTIFUL LETTER, SO I'M GONNA READ IT TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK PRESERVING OUR SHARED HISTORY. I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE CITY'S AND YOUR PERSONAL EFFORTS IN ADJUDICATING ALL OF THE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. AND THAT WAS TO TERRENCE. THANK YOU SIR. THREE PRIMARY REASONS WHY WE OPPOSE THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 7 1 7 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET. FIRST IS LACK OF MATERIAL COMPLIANCE. THE COA SHOULD BE DENIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. THE PLANS ARE NOT AT ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY DISTRICT GUIDELINES OR COMMON PRACTICES THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS ENFORCED ON OTHER HOMES IN THE DISTRICT. NO ONE HAS MADE A FACTUAL REPRESENTATION OR ARGUMENT OF HOW THEY COMPLY. THE ONLY ARGUMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD ARE HOW THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. TWO STORIES NEAR THE FRONT BLOCK, FACE INCOMPATIBLE, MASSING, INCOMPLETE, INCOMPATIBLE MATERIALS OR COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE MATERIALS AND MUCH MORE LACK OF CONSISTENCY THAT COULD LEAD TO MORE CONFUSING DISPUTES. LET GRAB THE SPEAKER MORE TIME. A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CAN I PROCEED? KEEP GOING. OKAY, GREAT. TECHNICALLY YOU'RE THE SECOND YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING FOR YOUR HUSBAND I THINK. THANK YOU. SO IT'S A SECOND SPEAKER ACTUALLY, YOU GET TWO OF ME. I LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO LACK OF CONSISTENCY THAT COULD LEAD TO MORE CONFUSION, DISPUTES, AND FURTHER EROSION IN THE DISTRICT. PREVIOUS UPGRADES BY PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING MY WIFE AND I, HAVE BEEN HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD AT A REAL AND DEMONSTRABLE FINANCIAL BURDEN. WE HAD TO ADJUST OUR DESIGNS TO GAIN APPROVAL. IT IS NOT REASONABLE TO LOWER THE STANDARDS NOW AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION AFTER ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE COMPLIED FOR DECADES. MISSTATEMENTS POSSIBLY IN BAD FAITH BY THE BUILDER ABOUT THEIR NEXTDOOR PROJECT IN THE DISTRICT LAST YEAR. AND AS HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THAT COMMISSION BY MY NEIGHBORS, THE BUILDER SAID LAST YEAR THAT THE NEXTDOOR PROJECT HAD SUPPORT FROM SOME NEIGHBORS THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE WRITTEN TO THE COMMISSION TO CORRECT THIS. THEY REPRESENTED LAST YEAR THAT THIS PREVIOUS PROJECT WAS SIMILAR TO OTHER SETBACKS AND STRUCTURES, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY, AND OBVIOUSLY [00:40:01] UNTRUE. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITH THE CURRENT PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT THERE ARE STRUCTURES THAT YOU HAVE FORCED TO REMOVE SIDING ON BECAUSE YOU CHANGED YOUR RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUILDING PROJECT THAT A COUPLE OF OUR PROJECTS, THE WINDOWS HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE SOMEBODY ON THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL SENT PICTURES TO YOU ALL AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ADHERED TO WHAT THIS COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THIS OR THAT YOU ALLOWED 7 1 3. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF THE SPEAKER IF I MAY. YEAH. WHO'S GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, PLEASE. YEAH. UH, MAYBE TWO. UH, HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN? UM, WHAT'S NOW THE DISTRICT SINCE 2000. IS IS THAT, SO PRIOR TO IT BECOMING A DISTRICT, UH, YEAH IT WAS ACTUALLY WE WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN SIGNING THE PETITION AND GETTING THE PETITION SIGNED FOR IT TO BECOME A DISTRICT. SO YOU'RE GLAD TO BE IN A DISTRICT AND MM-HMM . UM, SO WHAT'S BEFORE UH, IS RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION FROM FROM STAFF. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? UH, REGARDS WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. IT'S YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. I'M JUST ASKING FOR, WELL, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU THIS, MY STRUCTURE IS 1400 SQUARE FEET ON A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND WE HAVE A SMALL ONE ONE CAR GARAGE ON OUR PROPERTY AS WELL. THERE ARE MANY OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE AROUND THE SAME SIZE. SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HAD CAMELBACKS ON 'EM ARE UPWARDS AS MUCH AS 3000 SQUARE FEET. THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS PUT INTO THIS STRUCTURE IS WAY AND WAY MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS MASSIVELY BIGGER. IT IS DISTINCTLY BITTER BIGGER. IT'S STRANGELY ALIEN, LIKE BIGGER LIKE BEAM ME UP SCOTTY, WHO PUT THAT THERE WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. COMMISSIONER DEBO, IT'S VERY NICE TO SEE YOU. WELL THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR QUESTIONS. OH AND STEVEN, MR. MCNEIL, YOU MADE A COMMENT AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR NOT, WE ARE PERCHED ON HOUSTON'S CLIFF. WE'RE A GOOD 56 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. WE'VE WATCHED THAT BY YOU RISE MANY TIMES. IT'S NEVER COME CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE NOT IN THE FLOODLINE AS FAR AS THE ROAD IS CONCERNED. THAT ROAD RESERVE THAT GOES AROUND THAT PROPERTY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO ALLOWING FIRE TRUCKS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES 'CAUSE PEOPLE SET FIRE TO THE BRIDGE. IT'S AN INTERESTING PLACE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S IT. LOVELY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK, WHICH IS JEAN TAYLOR. IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JEAN TAYLOR AND I LIVE AT 5 46 GRANBERRY STREET IN FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I'VE RESIDED THERE SINCE 1980. AND I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF SEVEN 13 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF. THAT WAS DOCUMENT CAMERA. AND I ALSO CAN SPEAK ABOUT RESERVE STREET AND WHY THAT LOT ON SEVEN 17 IS CURVED LIKE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO THAT LOT RECEIPT. SURE. THAT ORIGINALLY WAS TWO LOTS AND WHEN I MOVED THERE IN 1980, THERE WERE TWO HOMES ON THOSE TWO LOTS AND ONE WAS LOST TO A FIRE AND THE OTHER ONE I THINK WAS TORN DOWN AFTER SOMEONE ELSE BOUGHT IT. IT LATER WAS REPLANTED INTO ONE LOT BY THE LUMBER YARD THAT HAD BOUGHT IT THAT LOT. BOTH LOT LOTS WERE THE SAME DIMENSION, 50 BY 125 AND BOTH WERE PERFECT RECTANGULAR, BUT THE RESERVE STREET WAS DIRT. AND THE CITY FROM TIME TO TIME AT THE NEIGHBORS URGING WOULD COME OUT WITH TRACTORS AND GRADE AROUND RESERVE STREET AND DEPENDING ON WHO WAS DOING IT AND HOW FAST THEY WORKED, THE EDGES KIND OF GOT CURVED A LITTLE BIT AND THE CORNERS GOT CUT OFF. IF YOU SEE A PLAT OF THAT LOT, IT IS A RECTANGULAR LOT. BUT THE ROAD HAS CUT OFF EACH CORNER ON THE EAST SIDE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH CORNERS. THAT IS WHY, WHY THAT LOT IS AN ODD SIZE. IT REALLY ISN'T, BUT IT TAKES IN THE ROAD. SO IT ORIGINALLY WAS A RECTANGULAR LOT. NOW I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CECILIA TOLD YOU. UH, UNTIL DECEMBER OF 2023, FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS MADE UP OF ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ALL WERE ORIGINAL EXCEPT THE ONE THAT CEIA MENTIONED THAT WAS REBUILT AND IT WAS REBUILT AS [00:45:01] A ONE STORY AND IT WAS REBUILT IN THE CHARACTER AND THE LOOK OF AND FEEL OF THE REST OF THE HOMES IN THE DISTRICT, UNFORTUNATELY. MOTION, IF I SECOND ONE MORE TIME. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU. I TOOK A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH THE ROBE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER, THE SEVEN 13, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE, THE COMMISSION WAS TOSOME INCORRECT AND WRONG INFORMATION BY THE APPLICANT TO GET IT APPROVED. AND ON THIS SEVEN 17, UH, THE MINOR CHANGES THE APPLICANTS MADE TO THE BUILDING PLANS FROM THE ONES THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED LAST MONTH ARE SO MINOR THEY DO NOTHING TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A TWO STORY HOUSE IN A SMALL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAD CONTAINED ALL ONE STORY FAMILY HOMES IS COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH FREE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE LOOK IN THE FEELER DRASTICALLY CHANGED BY ALLOWING SUCH STRUCTURES. AND THERE'S A COUPLE MORE PICTURES THAT IS SEVEN 13 NEXT TO A ONE STORY. THAT'S WHEN SEVEN 13 WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED NEXT TO A ONE STORY. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. BLAKELY. MS. TAYLOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I'M HERE . OKAY. UM, JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW IF YOU RECALLED HOUSES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF RESERVE STREET EVER IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? THERE WERE NEVER ANY HOMES ON RESERVE STREET. OKAY, THANK YOU. IT WAS WOODED WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE. OKAY. IT'S A, IT'S A EDGE CONDITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF THE DISTRICT. IT'S, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION THEN ABOUT, I GUESS MAYBE FOR TERRANCE. UM, ON PAGE 12, IT SHOWS A SERIES OF LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RESERVE STREET AS THOUGH THERE MIGHT SOMEDAY BE HOUSES THERE OR AS THOUGH THERE WERE HOUSES THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE NEVER, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS SURVEY? WHAT IS IT? HOW SHOULD I INTERPRET THIS? OH, SO, UM, ACCORDING TO MS. TAYLOR, THE, THERE'S A LUMBER YARD THAT'S, UH, ON EAST FIFTH AND A HALF. AND, UM, THAT LUMBER YARD OWNS THAT PROPERTY. KIM AND I HAD A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE LOOKING LIKE THERE WERE FUTURE LOTS PLANNED. UM, BUT I, I ASSUME THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SHOWN INCOMPLETE BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 13 FEET LONG. THE 19 PRESENTATION, 1924 REPL SHOWS CLEARLY THOSE LITTLE LOTS. SO THEY DO LEGALLY EXIST. THEY MAY ALL BE OWNED BY THE PROPERTY, BY THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THEY DO LEGALLY EXIST ON THE PLAT. SO ACCESS TO OTHER LOTS WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. WAS RESERVE STREET JUST SIMPLY A STREET THAT WAS NAMED RESERVE OR DOES IT INTEND TO BE RESERVED FOR PRIVATE ACCESS? WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT DEDICATORY LANGUAGE. UM, SO WOULD THESE BE PART OF THE FREELAND DISTRICT? NO. NO. OKAY. I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY CONCERN IN OUR APPROVING A HOUSE THAT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT'S DESIGNED AS THOUGH IT'S JUST, THERE'S WILDERNESS OVER THERE WHEN IN FACT THE SURVEY IS SHOWING US THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR MORE HOUSES TO BE BUILT OVER THERE. AND I THINK WE MIGHT BE DOING A DISSERVICE IF WE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO US. THANK YOU. UH, MS. TAYLOR. MS. ONE MORE QUESTION. CHAIR MAY GO AHEAD AND ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE. YES. HI, MS. TAYLOR. COULD I, MAY I ASK YOU, UM, YOU'VE BEEN THERE A VERY LONG TIME SINCE LONG BEFORE IT WAS A DISTRICT. UM, MAY I ASK WHY YOU CHOSE THAT LOCATION AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE SO LONG? THAT'S REMARKABLE. I ORIGINALLY RENTED THE HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT. I, I HAD MOVED FROM TYLER, TEXAS AND I WAS LOOKING FOR, AND I MOVED IN 1980 AND IF YOU RECALL 1980 THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY PLACES FOR RENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY WAS MOVING HERE. IT WAS, THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY. AND SO MY SISTER HAD TOLD ME ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FOUND A RENT HOUSE THERE AND I LOVED IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE LIKE A LITTLE HORSESHOE AND WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER AND WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME EMAIL LIST. AND IT WAS JUST SO NEIGHBORLY THAT WHEN MY LANDLORD DECIDED TO SELL THE HOUSE, I JUST BOUGHT IT FROM HIM AND I'VE STAYED. WELL, I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR YOUR COMMENTS AS, AS MENTIONED, I I'M, I'M JEALOUS OF YOU . I THINK IT'S A REAL SLEEPER OF A, OF A GEM OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IN HOUSTON AND NOW A DISTRICT AND I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE PLEASED TO BE IN A DISTRICT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK EVEN THE LUMBER YARD, IN MY OPINION, IS AN HISTORIC, UM, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCE FOR THE CITY. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE GREAT CLARKS IS [00:50:01] ABSOLUTELY A IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME, YOU THINK YOU'RE BACK IN 1940, WE'LL GO FIND A PIECE OF WOOD AND IT'S JUST, OH, AND BY THE WAY, MY HOUSE IS 1100 SQUARE FEET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP. I HAVE YOUR COUCH QUESTION. UM, ON THE SAND BOARD MAP ON PAGE SEVEN, IT SHOWS SOME SMALL HOUSES ON THE EAST SIDE, I GUESS OF RESERVE STREET. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOUSES? YEAH, I, I'LL JUST ADD THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN WE HAD ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS BECAUSE THAT SANBORN MAP SHOWS PRE, PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE HOUSES. WE WONDER IF THERE'S NOT UTILITIES IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT'S DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT. RIGHT. 'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T, THE SANDBORN WOULDN'T SHOW SOMETHING DIDN'T EXIST 'CAUSE THEY ONLY, IT WAS FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE DRAWN APPARENTLY EXISTED MAYBE AT THAT TIME. BUT YES. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THESE HOUSES. UM, THIS SANDBORN MAP WAS PROBABLY, I DON'T SEE A DATE ON IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY THE 1924 SAN MAP SANBORN. DON'T YOU THINK IT'S THE 1951? UM, BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY BUILT OUT. I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR WORD FOR COMMISSIONER COUCH. I THINK THE 19 25 1 WOULD'VE SHOWED EMPTY LOTS STILL VACANT. 1925. OKAY. YEAH. SO MY COLLEAGUE JASON SAYS, YES, IT IS THE 1950 BECAUSE IN THE 1920 UH, FOUR THERE ARE VACANT LOTS. OKAY. YEAH. AND THE ONLY INFORMATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY IS GOING TO BE INFORMATION ON HOUSES IN THE ACTUAL DISTRICT. SO, UM, THESE HOUSES ON RESERVE STREET, WE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION JUST WOULDN'T HAVE A RECORD OF THEM. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS NOT BEING QUITE RIGHT WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. YES, SIR. DO, DO YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS SHE TALKING ABOUT? UM, I'VE, I'VE, SO I'VE BEEN TO THE HOME. UM, DOES THE HOME SEE, IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY PROPOSED TO DO? NO, I'M NOT, NO, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL. I, I, UM, STAFF, I'M SORRY, STA ALMOST OUR ENTIRE STAFF HAS BEEN OUT TO LOOK AT THE, THE HOME SINCE THIS, SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED. UM, AND IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORTS, I THINK WHEN, WHEN, WHEN AN AGENT OR AN ARCHITECT OR A DESIGNER PROVIDES A RENDERING AND THEN PROVIDES A VIEW FROM THE STREET, UM, THAT COULD BE A BIT DECEIVING. AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE RENDERINGS OR A FEW OF THE RENDERINGS, OR I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT SPEAKING FOR STAFF, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, A FEW OF THE RENDERINGS MAY HAVE BEEN MISLEADING BECAUSE THE CAMERA VIEW MAY HAVE BEEN LOWERED A BIT AND IT KIND OF GAVE A FUNNY LOOK OR IT IS JUST DECEPTIVE. UM, EVERYTHING THAT WAS DRAWN IN THE FLOOR PLANS AND IN THE ELEVATIONS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW. AND UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY MS. TAYLOR, UM, WHEN YOU SEE IT IN PERSON, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE DECEIVED. IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT STRUCTURE IS THERE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE VERSUS A 3D MODEL. SO DOES THIS ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW HAVE SIMILAR PLATE HEIGHTS TO THE ONE NEXT DOOR? THE, THE PLATE HEIGHTS HAVE BEEN SH UH, REDUCED. UM, HOWEVER, BUT THE MASS IS, IS IT'S STILL A PRETTY MASSIVE STRUCTURE. UM, I BELIEVE THEY ARE THREE FEET LOWER THAN, UH, SEVEN 13. UM, BUT I MEAN, BEING TOTALLY HONEST, COMMISSIONER COUCH, WE AS STAFF WERE PREPARED TO LOOK AT THIS AS A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROJECT AND NOT EVEN CONSIDER SEVEN 13. SURE. BUT I JUST SAW THOSE PHOTOS AND I WAS STRUCK BY HOW MUCH TALLER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A ONE STORY HOUSE ON THE ONE NEXT DOOR, WE ARE TOO. FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T AT THE MEETING, IT'S THAT, THAT PHOTO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE AGAIN OR NOT. THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY ACCURATE IN TERMS OF RELATIVE SCALE IS IS ACTUALLY A, A, A VERY RELEVANT, RELEVANT PHOTO FOR US TO SEE. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, SIR. YES SIR. SO I'D LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CONTINUE YES SIR. AND [00:55:01] GATHER SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UH, AND AS MENTIONED, UH, JUSTIN PATTERSON IS HERE AND IF YOU COULD RE RESTATE YOUR NAME AND PERHAPS YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT, THE CONVERSATION TALKING THE CAMERA. MY NAME IS JUSTIN PATTERSON. THANKS FOR HEARING MY ME OUT COMMISSIONERS. I'M THE AGENT FOR JEFF STONE. UH, IT'S SEVEN 17 EAST, FIVE AND A HALF. I WANTED TO BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MOTOR 'CAUSE I'VE ONLY GOT THREE MINUTES, SO BEAR WITH ME AND WE WILL FEEL FREE TO HOP IN AN ANSWER. ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA BUZZ THROUGH THESE FOUR UH, ITEMS THAT THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER SO GRACIOUSLY FOR US. UH, NUMBER ONE, CLEARLY WE AGREE IT DOES SATISFY THE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED ON SITE WITH UH, COMMISSIONER CURRY AND COMMISSIONER STAAVA PREVIOUSLY. UM, NUMBER TWO, FOR SOME REASON THE DOES NOT SATISFY IS MARKED, BUT THE VERBIAGE SAYS EXTERIOR FEATURES ARE PROPOSED DESIGN ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. GOES ON TO SAY THAT RIDGE HEIGHT AT THE FRONT IS 25 8. WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT IT DOWN TO 24 6 IN THEIR THAN REDO. UM, ON NUMBER THREE, THE SCALE PROPORTIONS AND SOME OTHER DIMENSIONS ARE NOT AT ALL COMPATIBLE. UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT OFFER A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAT ARE TALLER AND ARE LARGER IN BOTH FLOOR PLAN STORIES ACTUALLY IN RICH HEIGHT. UM, AND THEN THAT LEADS INTO NUMBER FOUR, THE HEIGHT. UM, FREELAND DOES NOT HAVE GUIDELINES AND SO I KNOW SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WERE MENTIONING GUIDELINES AND FOLLOWING THESE THINGS, BUT ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME UNKNOWNS TO DEAL WITH AND WHEN DEALING WITH AND LOOKING AT THE BLOCK FACE AND WE TOOK VERY EDUCATED ARCHITECTURAL APPROACH TO CREATING A ONE STORY STRUCTURE UPFRONT. DIFFERENT, UH, EXTERIOR MATERIALS FENESTRATION ALL BENEFITING AND MIMICKING THE BLOCK FACE. THEN AT THE BACK WHEN WE CONNECTED VIA THE HYPHEN CONNECTION, WHICH IS THE STAFF SOMETHING, THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION HAS LOVED OUR WORK FOR YEARS. UM, SAME HEIGHT, NO ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ON THAT. AND THEN THE TWO STORY ADDITION IN THE BACK. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION. I WANT EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT BRICK MOON DESIGN DID NOT DO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SEVEN 13 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIRM. AND I DO HAVE A SHOT HERE THAT WE AGREE AS THE COMPANY AND AS THE AGENT AND AS THE OWNER. SEVEN SEVEN OR SEVEN 13 IS A BIG HOUSE. I WOULD'VE NEVER PRESENTED IT TO Y'ALL. THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE REDUCED MASSIVELY COMPARED COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE AND WHICH PUTS IT MORE IN LINE WITH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. WE ARE 16 AND 16 FOOT FIVE INCHES LESS DEEP THAN SEVEN 13. WE ARE 18 INCH SHORTER RIDGE HEIGHT, THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT, WHICH OUR DESIGN IS ACTUALLY AT THE REAR PORTION. UM, WE HAVE A TWO FOOT ONE INCH LOWER EVE HEIGHT ON THE MAX. AGAIN, OURS IS IN THE BACK. THEIRS IS IN THE FRONT. WE ARE A SMALLER LIVING AREA. IT IS A FEW SQUARE FEET SMALLER BUT IT IS SMALLER. WE HAVE A FOUR FOOT, TWO INCH LOWER FRONT RIDGE MOTION GRANT SPEAKER. MORE IS THERE A SECOND? SO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PLEASE PROCEED. WE ARE FOUR FOOT TWO LOWER AT THE FRONT RIDGE. SO OUR ONE STORY HOUSE AT THE FRONT IS, IT'S GONNA APPEAR FROM THE STREET, FOUR FOOT TWO LOWER AND WE HAVE A 10 INCH LOWER EAVE. UM, 7 1 3 ALSO HAS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ROOF PITCHES. WE DO HAVE FIVE, BUT ONE OF THEM IS A PLUS OR MINUS THREE AND A HALF AND 12. IT'S ACTUALLY THREE AND 11 SIXTEENTHS AND THAT'S JUST FOUR TO KEEP THE RIDGES ALIGNED. UM, IN REGARDS TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE LARGER, 5 39 GRANDBERRY. UM, IT ACTUALLY HAS A RIDGE HEIGHT OF 20 FOOT OR 28 FOOT 11 INCH AND A 21 FOOT EVE, WHICH IS 3,736 SQUARE FEET. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE BRICK MOON DESIGN DREW IT AND IT WAS APPROVED AND IT'S A LOVELY HOUSE. UM, 5 27 GRANBERRY HAS A 26 FOOT FOUR INCH RIDGE HEIGHT AND WE DID BOTH OF THOSE. SO WE ARE IN BETWEEN TWO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. THE ONLY REASON I BRING THOSE UP 'CAUSE I HAVE ACCESS TO 'EM, IT'S EASY TO MEASURE AND LOOK, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CHANGE THE CURRENT SIX AND 12 PITCH AT THE ADDITION. I'M GONNA KEEP CALLING IT DOWN TO A FIVE AND 12. THAT WOULD BRING OUR MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT TO 26 FOOT 11. HOWEVER, DOING THAT WOULD ALSO BRING THE GARAGE EAVES AND PLATE HEIGHT UP SLIGHTLY. EAVES WILL GO UP TO 17 FOOT. ONE PLATE HEIGHT GOES UP SEVEN INCHES AND THE RIDGE HEIGHT DOES COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO 22 FOOT NINE. SO OVERALL WE FEEL THAT THIS MASSING AND PROPORTION IS GREATLY SMALLER THAN SEVEN 13 MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT IS EXPECTED AND WHAT SHOULD BE IN FREELAND. WE'VE TAKEN, WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN DRAWING AND [01:00:01] DESIGNING HOMES THAT ARE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UM, APPROPRIATE AND STILL FIT WITH MODERN TIMES AND THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE MODERNLY. SO AGAIN, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE EVE HEIGHT IS OF THE HOUSE? THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SEVEN 13. I DO NOT. IT, IT APPEARED WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH STAFF AND, UH, CURRY AND STAVOS. IT APPEARED TO BE ABOUT A FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF FOOT DIFFERENCE. AGAIN, SEVEN 13 IS, HAS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE 10 FOOT LINE AND OUR BUILDING IS AT 18 FOUR. AND SO WE'RE FOUR FOOT, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE FOUR FOOT. WELL, I MEAN IT LOOKS SHORTER COMPARED TO THAT ONE, BUT THAT ONE'S SO BIG. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS. IF THERE'S ANY DATA TO COMPARE THE RIDGE HEIGHTS AND THE EVE HEIGHTS AND THINGS BECAUSE WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO A MCMANSION IT CAN'T HELP BUT LOOK SMALLER. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. COMPARED TO THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAN, IT'S ENORMOUS. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T WANNA DO IS GET BACK INTO THE SHOWING RENDERINGS OF A HOUSE BECAUSE IT IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW. WELL I CAN SHOW YOU THIS ONE, WHICH AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGN OWNERSHIP OF IT. I WAS ABLE TO GET THE MODEL, PUT IT NEXT TO OUR MODEL AND ASSUMING THAT IS CORRECT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT A FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF, MAYBE FOUR FOOT EIGHT HIGHER THAN THE MAYBE WHAT IS THAT? 7 0 9 EAST FIVE AND A HALF I GUESS TO, YOU'RE TALKING TO JUST TO THE LEFT OF SEVEN 13. YEAH, 7 0 9 IS WHAT I WOULD GUESS. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, OKAY. I KNOW JUDGE, I KNOW MR. JACKSON HAS, WAS WAS, WAS WAITING FOR A QUESTION FIRST, BUT, BUT NO PROBLEM. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. UM, WHY, AS YOU'RE THE AGENT FOR, FOR THE OWNER, IS THERE ANY APPETITE FOR DECREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE STEPS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THUS FAR, BUT THIS IS STILL A MASSIVE HOUSE. SURE. FOR THIS AREA, UH, I WOULD SAY FROM THE ARCHITECTURE SIDE OF THINGS, SQUARE FOOTAGE PLAYS LESS OF AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN MASSING AND SCALE THAN ROOFING AND DIVISION OF STRUCTURED. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHY IT IT, THIS IS JUST PER PERSONAL PREFERENCE FROM THE CLIENT. AND SO, AND IT'S THE CLIENT GOING TO OCCUPY THE HOUSE? NO, NO MA'AM. OKAY. AND SO, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING UP SEVEN OR 5 39 GRANBURY, WHICH IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS 200 SQUARE FEET BIGGER, 140. COMMISSIONER YAPP, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES. UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING YOU BACK TO THE, UH, WRITE UP THAT IS ON PAGE 16 OF 37. PLEASE, IF YOU CAN PUT IT UP BACK TO PRESENTATION? UH, YES PLEASE. 16 OF 37. IT'S ACTUALLY THE, UH, ROOF PLAN. OKAY. UH, LOOKING AT THAT, UH, LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE, UH, I THINK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, OF THE HOUSE, THE CORRECT. AND THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR, CORRECT? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE LIVING AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FIRST FLOOR? THE FIRST, THE, THE AREA WITH THE ONLY, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE? UH, JUST THE FIRST FLOOR. THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR OR JUST THAT BUILDING? THAT FRONT BUILDING HOUSES THE FIRST FLOOR. OKAY. WELL, I, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT SECTION THAT I'M CALLING THE ONE STORY HOUSE PORTION? OKAY. GIMME A SECOND AND I CAN MAYBE FIND THE SITE PLAN AND DO SOME QUICK MATH. GOT IT BLOWN UP. MY EYES ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THEY USED TO BE. I GOT IT BLOWN UP. OH YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST 20, 20 FOOT SEVEN BY, WELL, NO, HE'S LOOKING FOR, OH, THAT, THIS RECTANGLE HERE. YOUR EYES 20. YEAH. I CAN'T, I HAVE MY MAG. I LEFT MY MAGNIFYING GLASS AT THE OFFICE. SO WE'RE 32, 35, 40 800,000 SQUARE FEET. BALLPARK, ABOUT 40 BY 20 IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO I'D SAY 8,800 TO A THOUSAND, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 800 TO A THOUSAND. OKAY. YES, SIR. THAT, THAT HELPS ME FRAME THE SIZE BECAUSE THE SPEAKER BEFORE YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY 1100 SQUARE FEET, CORRECT? RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND YOUR ONE STORY BUILDING IN THE FRONT ONLY IS ALREADY ALMOST 1,008 TO 1000 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. [01:05:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. BLAKELY. HI. I, MY QUESTION IS, I I, I APPRECIATE THE SORT OF STICKY SITUATION THAT YOU FIND YOURSELF IN, UM, AND I AND THE EFFORT YOU'VE PUT IN TO TRY TO, TO, UH, FIT THIS HOUSE INTO THE PROFILE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY QUESTION IS, UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE'S BEEN A VERY GOOD, UH, CARE HAS BEEN TAKEN TO SCALE DOWN THOSE PARTS OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE NEAREST TO THE STREET. AND I THINK, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS, WE CARE A LOT ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET. YOU SEE HOUSE, HOUSE, HOUSE, AND YOU WANT A CERTAIN CONSISTENCY. UH, BUT THIS BEING A, A, A LOT AT THE END OF A BLOCK ACTUALLY HAS THREE STREET FACING FACADES. MM-HMM . AND WHILE I THINK THAT, UH, THE ATTENTION THAT WAS PAID TO THE DESIGN IS SHOWING A KIND OF EFFORT TO BE CONTEXTUAL IN THE SOUTH ELEVATION, I DON'T SEE THE NORTH ELEVATION OR THE, ESPECIALLY THE VERY LONG EAST ELEVATION WEST, EAST, THE WEST, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE FACING ANOTHER BUILDING. MM-HMM . THE EAST, HOWEVER, WILL BE FACING A STREET AND POTENTIALLY A WHOLE, WHOLE OTHER ROW OF HOUSES. WHO KNOWS? UH, BUT IT IS STILL, THERE'S A STREET THERE. SO I, I THINK ONE APPROACH TO, UH, HAVING THIS HOUSE FIT IN MIGHT BE TO HAVE IT, UH, OBEY THE SAME KIND OF RESPECT, RESPECT FOR THE STREETSCAPE ON ALL THREE STREET FACING SIDES. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALMOST VERBATIM WAS, WAS MENTIONED AT OUR MEETING ON SITE. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I MEAN, THE POINT IS MADE. I, I CAN'T HELP BUT SEE THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THE ONE IN SHADOW LAWN THAT HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY OPPOSITION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GO BACK AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE SOME COLLABORATIVE DESIGN WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT EVERYONE'S HAPPY WITH, AND THEN WE COULD IMPROVE IT. SO I THINK PART OF OUR CONCERN IS THAT DUE TO THE APPROVAL OF SEVEN 13 BY STAFF AND COMMISSION, IT HAS NOW PUT A SOUR TASTE IN THE RESIDENT'S MOUTH. AND THEY'RE AFRAID OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON SEVEN 17, WHICH I GET, BECAUSE AGAIN, I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE SEVEN 13, HOWEVER, THAT'S TOO LATE. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY, THIS IS WRONG. THIS IS CONTRIBUTING, THIS IS HOW MUCH SMALLER WE ARE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SEE AND HATE AND SHOULD GIVE YOU REFERENCE TO HOW THAT'S GONNA FIT WITH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. WELL, EXACTLY. SO THEN I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY GO TALK TO THEM AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY AGREE WITH YOU. AND RATHER THAN JUST IMPOSE IT ON THEM, IF THEY'RE SO UNHAPPY BECAUSE OF THIS OTHER PROJECT, ONCE BITTEN TWICE SHY, I, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE NERVOUS ABOUT SEEING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE BE PUT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS SPEAKER? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANKS Y'ALL. AND I'M GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT HAS NOT SIGNED UP, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. UH, THIS, THIS ITEM, PLEASE, UM, STAND UP AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND NOT HEARING. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. I THINK WE'VE ALL SAID IT. UM, AND TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO THE, THE AGENT, I MEAN, WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS SITUATION. UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS DECEIT OR SOME MONKEYING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH PERSPECTIVE BEF AND WHAT CAME BEFORE US WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THAT DOESN'T, SHOULDN'T PERTAIN TO THIS APPLICATION AS IT STANDS ON ITS OWN. UM, BUT WE, WE CAN'T TAKE THAT BACK NOW. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FOLLOW, AS MR. COUCH, COMMISSIONER COUCH HAS SAID, TO TRY AND, AND HAVE AN OPEN MIND. AND IF, IF BRICK, MOON AND THE, AND THE OWNER WANT TO WORK AND ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND TRY AND WORK WITH THEM AS WELL. I KNOW IT'S HARD AND I'M, I'M SORRY FOR, WHAT IS IT? SEVEN 13. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK ONLY THE APPLICANT [01:10:01] CAN I HAVE TO ASK LEGAL, UM, WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU HAVE PUBLIC COM PUBLIC COMMENT ADDRESSED ONCE, AND THEN THE APPLICANT MAY REBUT AT THE END. IF YOU'VE HEARD FROM THEM AT THE BEGINNING, WE'VE HEARD FROM HIM. AFTER ALL OF THOSE, UM, YOU, YOU COULD MOVE TO WA TO, UH, WAIVE THE RULES AND, AND TAKE AP TAKE FURTHER COMMENTS IF YOU LIKE. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. YEP. SO MOVES TO ACCEPT, TO CHANGE THAT RULE TO ALLOW THE SPEAKER, THE SPEAKER WAIVE THE RULE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? WOULD BE THE MOTION. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THIS? IF WE VOTE APPARENTLY OPEN TO WAIVING RULES. WHY AREN'T WE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE TO TALK BEFORE WE DON'T VOTE ON I CALL THE VOTE. WHAT'S THAT? I SAID I WOULD CALL THE VOTE. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION. YEAH, I WOULD MAKE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO, I I I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THE APPETITE IS, IS WHETHER IT'S A DEFERRAL OR TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE TWO, AND I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE SAYS AT THIS POINT FORWARD IS GONNA CHANGE THAT. CAN I CLARIFY WHAT THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL IS BASED ON THE MASSING OF THE DESIGN? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK FOR THE PLATTING QUESTION TO BE ADDRESSED, OR IS THAT ALREADY PART OF THE COMMENTS IN CONNECTION TO THE DENIAL? I, I THINK THE MASSING QUESTION IS SEPARATE FROM THE PLA QUESTION. IT IS JUST AN ISSUE THAT'S COME UP BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS. AND, AND DOES THAT AFFECT THE SCALE AND COVERAGE OF THE BUILDING? UM, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED TO ANSWER WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE MASS BASED ON BEING, BUT YES, IF YOU WANT THAT ANSWERED, WE NEED TIME TO DO THAT. BUT, BUT I MEAN, CAN WE ASK FOR THAT TO BE CLARIFIED BEFORE WE SEE A NEW PROPOSAL FOR THIS? YES. I'LL JUST ADD, HAVING BEEN ON SITE, I AGREE WITH MS. MICKELSON. I DON'T, I THINK, I DON'T THINK ONE IS GONNA DIRECTLY AFFECT THE OTHER. WHEN WE WERE THERE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, HEARD TODAY, I DON'T THINK SO. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK UP. MR. MCNE, DO YOU WANT AN UP OR DOWN DECISION TODAY OR ARE YOU OPEN TO A DEFERRAL TO WORK WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD? I WOULD DEFER TO THE COMMISSION'S CHOICE , WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANNA DO. SO IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO, TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION? TO DENY NO MOTION. THERE'S, THERE'S NO MOTION. DID YOU JUST MAKE ONE? I JUST MADE ONE. OKAY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MOTION? ACCEPT DENIAL. MOTION IS TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. YOU FOR DISCUSSION. CAN I SAY THIS OUT LOUD? YEAH. FOR YOUR DISCUSS. I, I, I, THAT LAST COMMENT WOULD LEAD ME TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO APPEALS MM-HMM . AND INSTEAD OF SEND THIS TO APPEALS, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR BOTH PARTIES. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD AT APPEALS. AND IF IT GOES, THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS STUCK WITH, WITH WHAT THEY DECIDE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WANTS. I HAVE, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION OF LEGAL. IS THERE STILL THE QUESTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? IT'S A CURIOUS QUESTION THAT NOW HAS IGNITED MY CURIOSITY. UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S CRITICAL TO THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL THAT THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THIS, WHETHER OR NOT THIS STRUCTURE IS HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK STILL? CAN I SPEAK? SO, SO I HAVE A, YEAH, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UNLESS THAT MOTION IS PULLED BACK. UM, WITH THE SUGGESTION TO DEFER, YOU SHOULD CALL, VOTE TO THE MOTION. CALL THE VOTE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. HANG ON. THE, THE MOTION, THE MOTION IS RIGHT NOW TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RIGHT. OF OF DENIAL. WHICH HAS BEEN, WHICH HAS BEEN SEC SECONDED, WHICH IS IN DENIAL TO DENY. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT I AGREE WITH MS WITH OUR JACKSON, SO DON'T MOVE FOR IT. SO I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO ALL THOSE, EVERYTHING IS GOING ON TOO LONG HERE. ALL UNDERSTAND ALL. BUT WE, WE ARE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA DISCUSS THIS AND IT, IT, NO ONE CAN SAY WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS. SO, UM, [01:15:01] ALL WHO OPPOSE THAT MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. IS THIS OPPOSING THE MOTION TO ACCEPT ANY ABSTENTIONS? I, I, I OPPOSE. OKAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? COULD WE CLARIFY WHO VOTED AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION ROLL CALL. VOTE. YOU COULD DO A ROLL CALL IF YOU WANT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, HANDS IS FINE. YEAH, JUST SHOW HANDS. WE, WE JUST NEED TO GET IT FOR THE MINUTES. I MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING ALONG. HANDS IS VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION. YEAH, CORRECT. COSGROVE JONES. AUER JACKSON BLAKELY COUCH. OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE DEFER IT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MOTION PASSES. WE ARE NOW MOVING ON. ARE YOU GUYS SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT ONE? I BRING ME A BLANK. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION OF THE HHC. THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON, AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM C SIX AT 82 0 2 GLEN CREST, A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT BUILT CIRCA 1955. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING TRADITIONAL RANCH, 2,504 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE ON A 14,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT, 1 35 BY 90, UM, 1 35 BY 95 CORNER LOT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT AN INTERIOR REMODEL, WHICH THE APPLICANT WAS ISSUED A, A RED TAG FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING BRICK AT THE FRONT FACADE AND REPLACE IT WITH CONTRIBUTING BRICK AND MORTAR TO MATCH. THE PURPOSE IS TO CORRECT A PREVIOUS RENOVATION OF THE FRONT FACADE TO BRING THE HOME BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING CONDITION. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PURCHASED VINYL WINDOWS, WHICH HE WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL IN REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING OPENINGS AND THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS. THE OWNER HAS RECEIVED A CON, HAS RECEIVED THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR A LOCAL ALUMINUM WINDOW DISTRIBUTOR PRIOR TO THE DAMAGE TO HIS HOME FROM THE REC RECENT HURRICANE. PLEASE SEE THE PHOTOS AND THEREFORE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE VINYL WINDOW. OPTION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THE CONDI WITH THE CONDITION BEING THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW SOLUTION CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC. THE OWNER IS NOT AVAILABLE TODAY, BUT I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, TERRANCE. OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSION MEMBERS? TERRANCE, ON SLIDE, UH, PAGE 11 OF 11. IS THAT THE VINYL WINDOW? THEY WANT TO YES, THAT'S ONE OF THEM. BUT TO IT, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR THAT'S, IS THAT AN EXAMPLE OR DOES THAT ACTUALLY FIT IN ONE OF THESE OPENINGS? SO, UM, THE, THE WINDOWS ACCORDING TO THE OWNER DO FIT IN, INTO THE OPENINGS. UM, I ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO FINALLY GET PICTURES OF THE WINDOWS. THEY WERE ALL STACKED OFF TO THE SIDE. SO I JUST PULLED THE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS AND TOOK PICTURES OF THEM AS I COULD WITHOUT, UM, DAMAGING THESE WINDOWS OR TRYING OR BREAKING ANYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE SIZES OF ALL THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE. SO THE, HE'S ALREADY PURCHASED THESE FINAL WINDOWS? THAT IS CORRECT. THEY'RE ON SITE. YES MA'AM. BUT THE MA'AM CONDITION OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT HE FIND A DIFFERENT WINDOW WORK WITH YOU TO FIND A DIFFERENT, MORE COMPATIBLE YES, MA'AM. MORE ACCEPTABLE WINDOW. YES MA'AM. HE DOES. HE'S NOT HERE. HE DOES, HE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THE VINYL WINDOWS. WE WERE IN COMMUNICATION PRIOR TO THE HURRICANE. UM, I HAD GIVEN HIM A, UM, A CONTACT FOR A ALUMINUM WINDOW DISTRIBUTOR AND THEN THE HURRICANE HAPPENED. SO I THINK HE'S LEANING MORE TOWARDS, OKAY, NOW I HAVE TO GET THIS TREE OFF OF MY HOUSE AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE VINYL WINDOWS. SO WHAT ARE YOU LEANING TOWARDS? YOU STILL NEED TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN VINYL? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. CAN WE GO, SORRY, MAY WE GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PHOTO? I HAD A WANTED TO NO, THE LAST KEEP GOING. THAT ONE OH OH, WITH THE GREEN THING IN FRONT? NOPE. YEP, YEP, YEP, YEP, YEP. YEP. [01:20:01] THANK YOU. UH, TERRENCE, WHAT MAY I ASK? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN THIS PICTURE? TO THE RIGHT. TO THE RIGHT? YES. THAT IS, UH, I THINK IT, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT, YEAH. YEAH, I THINK MIGHT, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE GREEN MIGHT, SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW UNDER THE WHATEVER COLOR THAT THING IS. THE SOFFIT. YEAH. SO THERE ARE TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS. SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT AN EXISTING, ORIGINAL WINDOW? YES, SIR. IN THE SAME PLACE IT'S BEEN SINCE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT? YES, SIR. THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO REPLACE? YES, SIR. FOR SOME REASON I HAVEN'T HEARD YET. NO, SIR. NO, YES, SIR. FOR THERE. SO HE PURCHASED THE HOME. UM, HE WAS NOT AWARE THE HOME WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. HE WAS, HE WAS DOING, HE WAS DOING AN INTERIOR REMODEL AND HE GOT A RED TAG. SO, UM, HE HAS NO REASON FOR WANTING TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE'S JUST WANTING TO REPLACE WINDOWS. UM, THE WINDOWS ACCORDING TO STAFF, UM, COULD BE REPAIRED. UM, HOWEVER, UH, HE WAS, HIS MIND WAS MADE UP THAT HE WANTED NEW WINDOWS. SO MY SOLUTION FOR THAT WAS, OKAY, WELL LET'S AT LEAST LOOK AT AN ALUMINUM WINDOW VENDOR AND, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GO FROM THERE. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. ARE ANY OF THE WINDOWS, THANK YOU. ORIGINAL WINDOWS STILL THERE? ARE THEY ALL GONE? ALL THE ORIGINAL WIN? WELL, NOT ALL. THE MAJORITY OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE IN, ARE STILL WITHIN THE OPENING. UM, THERE IS A PHOTO, I THINK ON THE FRONT WHERE THERE'S PLYWOOD. THERE'S PLYWOOD THERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, UH, VANDALISM DONE BEFORE HE PURCHASED THE HOUSE. SO HE WANTS TO TAKE THE EXISTING WINDOWS OUT AND YES, SIR. WHY ARE WE SAYING IT'S OKAY FOR HIM TO DO THAT? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION THAT HE, HE WAS WILLING TO GO WITH. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S EITHER, OKAY, WE GO WITH THE FULL DENIAL OR WE CAN GO WITH AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND YOU WORK WITH US TO FIND A DIFFERENT OPTION. UM, NOW WHO'S TO SAY THAT DIFFERENT OPTION? THAT'S WHY THE REPORT IS WRITTEN, HOW IT'S WRITTEN FOR HIM TO WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND A, A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, WINDOW. AND, AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PUT AN APPROPRIATE OPTION. SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT GETTING THE WINDOW, RE GET, GETTING THE WINDOWS REPAIRED. IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, I STAFF IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION. MR. OBJECTION. I, I MEANT WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO DID THE BRICKS? THAT I DO NOT KNOW. I, I DON'T EVEN THAT KNOWS THAT THAT WAS WAS IT THIS GUY OR WAS IT SOMEONE ELSE? NO, THAT WAS DONE BEFORE. OKAY. SO HE JUST WANTS TO TAKE THE WINDOW OUT. HE WANTS, YES. HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THE BRICKS WERE ALREADY MESSED UP. YES. AND HE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, UH, STATE EVEN, I MEAN, EVEN THE AREA THERE ON THE BOTTOM PHOTO. WELL, IT'S ORIGINAL MORTAR WITHOUT THE WINDOWS. RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. IT'S NOT REALLY THE ORIGINAL STATE. 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO TAKE THE WINDOWS OUT. WELL, I WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE BRICK AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL STATE. TERRENCE. YES, MA'AM. CAN I, UH, ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER CURRY, BEAT MY HEAD AGAINST THE DEEZ HERE, CAN ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BE TO MAINTAIN THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE WITH THE ADDITION OF AN, UH, THERMAL INSERT? SURE. I MEAN, YES. YOU, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO MAKE THAT AND I'M MORE THAN WE, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO TAKE THAT TO HIM. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS THAT HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE OPENINGS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING EVEN THE WINDOW THAT WAS WAS HAD PLYWOOD OVER IT WAS THERE. NO, NO, NO, MA'AM. IT'S NOT, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT THERE. SO HE, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK MY, MY, UM, OPINION WOULD BE THAT WE PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN OKAY. AND SUPPLEMENT THAT IF, IF HIS ARGUMENT FOR NEW WINDOWS IS EFFICIENCY OR NOISE OR THAT, THAT WE ENCOURAGE HIM, UH, TO LOOK AT THE INSERTS AS AN OPTION AND THEN REPLACE THE MISSING WINDOWS WITH SOMETHING MORE IN KEEPING THE, AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PERIOD OF THE HOUSE MATERIALS, THE MOTION. CAN I, I WANT YES, THAT WAS A MOTION. I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT IT. THAT HURTS. COMM COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, WILL YOU MAKE A SECOND WITH A COMMENT? SECOND. I HAVE A COMMENT. . SO THIS COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED GLENBROOK VALLEY HOMEOWNERS TO REPLACE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT WERE IN DECENT CONDITION WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS. SO I WOULD URGE CONSISTENCY ON THIS MATTER. AND [01:25:01] MS. MICKELSON HAS CONSTANTLY TOLD ME THAT WHATEVER WE VOTED ON BEFORE DOESN'T MATTER. I'M VOTING ON THIS PROJECT ALONE. AND WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS WINDOW WORLD IS SUPER ACTIVE AND WE HAVE A LEGAL REPLACEMENTS GOING ON ALL THE TIME. AND IF WE CAN EN ENCOURAGE LEGAL REPLACEMENT WITH LIKE AND KIND, WHICH IS WHAT, ACCORDING TO ROMAN, I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD ROMAN CORRECTLY, IS THE STATE STANDARD, IS THAT THEY, THEY ARE ALLOWING REPLACEMENT OF LIKE AND KIND WINDOWS IN THE SAME HOLE. IT'S NOT THIS RADICAL, CRAZY THING. YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERY WINDOW THAT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE GLENBROOK VALLEY HOMEOWNERS THE ABILITY TO REPLACE WINDOWS WHEN NECESSARY WITH LIKE, AND KIND, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE'S GOTTA REPLACE 'EM. ANYWAY, I THINK THE ISSUE, AND I I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE QUOTE THAT ROMAN STATED. HE, HE STATED A DIFFERENT SCENARIO, UH, OH, I I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE IN A TEXT MESSAGE. , I WOULD LOVE YOU TO READ IT OUT THEN. BUT, UM, AS I RECALL ROMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR NATIONAL REGISTRY. WHEN THOSE ARE, UM, CONSIDERED THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS, AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL OPENING SIZE IS STILL IN IN PLACE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE STILL IN THE NATIONAL REGISTRY. BUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE THAT, THAT OVERSEES THAT, THAT THAT PROGRAM, THE SAME NATIONAL PARK SERVICE INDICATE THAT WINDOWS ARE IMPORTANT CHARACTER FINDING FEATURES, AND IF THEY ARE REPAIRABLE, THEY SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND NOT REPLACED. UM, IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRED AND NEED TO BE REPLACED, THEN THEY SUGGEST TRYING TO MATCH AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THAT. BUT THE, BUT THE SAME FOLKS THAT, THAT HAVE THE OTHER STANDARD, UM, STILL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN THAT UNLESS THE WINDOW IS UNREPAIRABLE OR, OR LET'S JUST SAY THAT THERE'S SO MUCH REPAIR NEEDED THAT IT, IT OUTWEIGHS, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED THROUGHOUT MANY DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REPLACE WINDOWS. AND IN LYNBROOK VALLEY THERE'S BEEN A ONGOING CONVERSATION OF, ARE THE WINDOWS AVAILABLE? ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS THAT WAS USED A FEW YEARS AGO IS NO LONGER, UH, MAKING WINDOWS OF THIS TYPE. BUT STAFF HAS FOUND, UH, UM, WELL THE, THE WINDOW, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE THROUGH CHAIR CURRY HAS FOUND, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS, UM, WHICH IS STILL AVAILABLE AND, AND VERY AFFORDABLE, UM, OPTION. AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAD TODAY IS PUTTING THOSE WINDOWS IN IS AND IT GOT APPROVED, UM, WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UH, I MEAN A MILL FINISH ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH A THERMAL BREAK IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN THESE ORIGINAL MILL FINISH WINDOWS. AND SURE, ABSOLUTELY. I CANNOT TELL YOU WHICH YEAR AND WHICH PROJECT WE HAVE ALLOWED GLENBROOK VALLEY HOMEOWNERS TO REPLACE WINDOWS AND, AND, AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE STILL IN THE HOLE. SO I'M JUST SAYING CONSISTENCY. AGREED. BUT WE ALSO APPROVE SEVEN 13. SO WE, WE CAN MAKE, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE MISTAKES AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND DO HOW WE INTERPRET THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T JUDGE THIS COMMISSION THINKS THAT REPLACING WINDOWS IN GLIMMER VALLEY IS A MISTAKE. I THINK THAT WE CONSCIOUSLY ALLOWED PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS, SO TO SOME DEGREE TO GET WINDOW WORLD OUT AND TO LET THOSE PEOPLE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE HOUSES, PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY JUST WANNA PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE MORE EFFICIENT. I THINK IN THIS CASE, FOR ME, THEY'VE OFFERED NO, NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE WINDOWS. THEREFORE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY, OH, REPLACE THE WINDOWS. I MEAN, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE US AND THERE HAVE BEEN REAL ISSUES WITH THE WINDOWS ABOUT SAFETY OR FUNCTIONALITY, THEN I CAN SEE THAT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'VE BEEN OFFERED NOTHING AS TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE EXISTING WINDOWS. YEAH. STORM DAMAGE TO UNKNOWN QUANTITY INSIDE. BELIEVE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ROMAN. I THINK YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO OUR CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WOULD, I, I WANNA SAY I WANT TO, BECAUSE IT WAS ON CONSENT, BUT THE, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL'S RIGHT, THAT THERE WAS, UH, ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY WHERE THE APPLICANT IS USING A, UH, I THINK IT'S A MILL FINISHED, UH, A NEW WINDOW IN, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, MATCHING IT. SO WE HAVE, AND I DO FEEL, UM, HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS PROBABLY TOMORROW. TOMORROW, YEAH. BUT THE, THE MANY OF THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, 1200 HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS, 1100, 1300 HOMES, THEY ALL PROBABLY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR AMOUNT OF OXIDATION ON 'EM. THEY'RE ALL PROBABLY SIMILARLY DIFFICULT TO OPEN BECAUSE OF THAT OXIDATION IN THE TRACKS. A FEW MIGHT HAVE A BROKEN LATCH HERE AND THERE. IF IT WAS THROUGH THE EIGHTIES, THE LATCH WAS BROKEN WHEN THEY PUT A CROWBAR UNDER IT AND FORCED IT UP. UM, BUT THE, THAT'S THE THING. AND SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON TO FIND SOMEONE [01:30:01] TO REPAIR THEM. YOU KNOW, WE STAFFED AT A WORKSHOP WHERE WE BUFFED AND LU BUFFED THE ALUMINUM AND IT'LL BUFF UP TO CHROME IF YOU WANT IT TO. AND WE PUT LUBRICANT IN 'EM AND GOT 'EM WORKING GOOD. AND THAT OWNER, THAT PROPERTY OWNER WAS VERY THANKFUL. THEY WORKED REAL WELL. AND EVEN WE REGLAZED THE WINDOWS TO SHOW THAT THEY WORK REAL WELL AND THEY'RE REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT. BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A A MOST PEOPLE FIND THAT DIFFICULT THING TO GET DONE. AND SO THE REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW MILL FINISHED, UH, WINDOW, IT'LL ALSO BE HAVE A, A, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE PANE. AS WE KNOW. WE DON'T LOSE MOST OF OUR ENERGY OUT THE WINDOWS ANYWAY, BUT, SO, AND WE DO, WE'RE GONNA, I WAS GONNA REPORT TO YOU LATER THAT WE HAVE NOW FOUND TWO, NOW A TOTAL OF THREE VENDORS. UH, I THINK ONE IS MILL FINISH AND OR TWO ARE MILL FINISH. AND ONE IS A CLEAR ANODIZED AVAILABLE IN OUR MARKET THAT WE CAN GET TO OUR MARKET. ONE OF 'EM A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, THE OTHER TWO VERY REASONABLE. SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE ALL THAT TO THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. BUT YOU STILL STAND AS A SECOND. OKAY. AND WE WILL VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION. THAT'S FINE. AND WE WILL DISCUSS MORE TOMORROW. UH, IT CAN FOR THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM 10 18 36 CORTLAND STREET. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR PEARSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS STAFF MEMBER YASMIN ARSLAN. TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM C 10. IT IS AT, UM, 1836 COURTLAND STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST. THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,628 SQUARE FOOT. ONE STORY WOULD, UH, FRAME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A ONE STORY NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE SITUATED ON A 19 9,900 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED IN CIRCA 1920. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, UH, AN ADDITION AND PROPOSING DEMOLISHING AN EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE AND BUILDING A TWO STORY NEW GARAGE AND A TWO STORY ADDITION TOWARDS THE REAR END SIDE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. SECOND STORY SITS, THE PROPOSED SECOND STORY SITS OVER A LATER EDITION, WHICH WAS VERIFIED BY STAFF DURING A SITE VISIT AND THROUGH THE SANBORN NBLA. THE ORIGINAL ROOF PITCH OF THE HOUSE IS SEVEN 12. THE NEW EDITION FOR THE FIRST LEVEL WILL REMAIN THE SAME AND WILL CHANGE TO A SIX 12 PITCH FOR THE SECOND LEVEL EXISTING. UM, SIDING WILL BE REMOVED AND ORIGINAL WOOD SIGNING UNDERNEATH WILL BE EXPOSED AND REPAIRED AS NEEDED. ALL NEW WINDOWS WILL BE INSET AND RECESSED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION BE AT 30 FEET AND THE EVE HEIGHT BE AT 22 FEET ON THE SEVEN FOOT SIDE SETBACK SIDE. AND THEN 20 FEET ON THE FIVE, UH, FOOT SIDE SETBACK SIDE. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, STAFF STAFF'S PRESENTATION. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE THEY ADDING? SO ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR THEY'RE ADDING 1,125. AND THE SECOND FLOOR THEY ARE ADDING 967. THE, IT'S 75 FEET WIDE AND 1 32 FEET. THE DEEP AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF FOR REVISED, UH, RIDGE HEIGHTS ARE, UH, YEAH, JUST TRYING TO DO THAT QUICK MATH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY MINIMAL, RIGHT? YOU, YOU'RE AT RIGHT. A LITTLE LOWER, BUT, BUT REALLY NOT A LOT. RIGHT NOW HIS RIDGE HEIGHT IS AT, UM, 30 FEET AND SIX INCHES. SO THAT'S WHY THE CONDITION IS AT 30. AND HIS UM, E HEIGHT IS UM, I BELIEVE 22 FEET AND ALSO SIX INCHES. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STOPPING AT 22, WHICH IS WHAT THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS ALLOW. AND A VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. YES, THAT'S THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES, PLEASE. UH, THIS, THIS IS, THIS PROJECT IS PART OF HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST. RIGHT? THERE SHOULD BE MEASURABLE STANDARDS, BUT I DON'T SEE THE MEASURABLES OF STANDARDS HERE. IT, IT SHOULD BE THERE, SIR, IF, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE ONES IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT HE DOESN'T MEET. AND THAT IS WHY THERE'S A CONDITION. ARE YOU, IS IT MISSING ON YOUR, OKAY. SORRY. MY FAULT. IT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? MY, MY, MY, [01:35:01] UM, I PULLED THIS IN MY, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT PORCH, IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE BRICK PIERS AND DIS DIS TAPERED COLUMNS AND STUFF? 'CAUSE WHEN THEY RECONSTRUCT STUFF, I ALWAYS THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE SIMPLE UNLESS THERE IS ACTUAL PROOF THAT IT LOOKED THAT WAY. 'CAUSE IT'S DECEPTIVE AND IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. I, WE, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER TRYING SAMMY, I HAVE A, THERE IS ONE SPEAKER, BUT YEAH, SO, UM, UM, THE CONTEXT AREA DOES HAVE, UH, THAT TYPE OF PORCH AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. BUT, UM, THE BLA DID NOT HAVE A HISTORIC PHOTO. UM, AND SO WE WE'RE JUST, 'CAUSE THIS PORCH LOOKS LIKE IT GOT CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL SANBORN MAP TO THE OTHER. SO IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL TO HAVE THE THREE COLUMNS I THINK SO I, I JUST THINK THAT IF THERE'S NO REAL EVIDENCE OF, OF HOW IT LOOKED WHEN THEY, AFTER THEY REMODELED INTO THIS CONFIGURATION NOW, THEN WE SHOULD BE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN WHAT WE LET THEM BUILD BACK. YEAH. I DO HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER, UH, WHO SIGNED UP OF THIS ITEM. SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. SAM GENUS AND MAYBE BETWEEN, I JUST WANNA COMMENT THIS ROMAN MAY, UH, THE PORCH, WE WERE THERE YESTERDAY. I FORGOT TO LOOK UNDER THE FRONT PORCH IT ACROSS MY MIND. BUT WHAT'S THERE TODAY IS CLEARLY A CAST CONCRETE WITH THE, UH, KIND OF THAT WASHED PEBBLE STONE LOOK OF THE, OF THE LIKE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES THERE. YOU COULD TELL IT'S ALL NEW THAT WHAT'S THERE TODAY, BUT I FORGOT TO KIND OF LOOK AROUND ANYWAY. SAM CAN PICK IT UP. THANK YOU. SAM, IF YOU CAN RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. HELLO SAM WITH CREATIVE DESIGN. UM, THE FRONT PORCH RIGHT NOW IS JUST TWO AND A HALF INCH STEEL COLUMNS THAT GO DOWN TO A, A, UH, A CONCRETE PORCH. IT HAS A BRICK FACING ON THE FRONT AND SO THERE'S REALLY NO, AND I COULD NOT FIND ANY PHOTOS OF IT, SO I JUST FELT LIKE THAT THAT BRICK COLUMN COMING UP WOULD LOOK NICE IF IT, IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT, WE WILL CERTAINLY DO IT THAT WAY. I JUST FELT LIKE THAT LOOKED NICE WITH THE HOUSE. AND THE REASON I DID THREE LIKE THAT IS I DID TWO TO TWO CENTER ON THE DOOR AND THEN ONE SO THAT THE WINDOW IS CENTERED. 'CAUSE IT HAS A REALLY NICE BIG WINDOW ON THE FRONT. AND, UH, I WANT, I JUST WANT IT TO BE SYMMETRICAL WITH THE OPENINGS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER METHOD YOU THINK WILL BE BETTER, IF IT'S JUST A SQUARE COLUMN WE COULD DO, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I WOULD SUGGEST. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE LOCATION COLUMNS. I JUST THINK THEY SHOULD BE MORE SIMPLY DETAILED. OKAY. SAM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ELSE TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION? JUST LET ME KNOW. ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION? NO, WE, WE MEET ALL THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS. WE'RE ACTUALLY 200 SQUARE FEET LESS THAN THE FAR, SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS PRETTY GOOD. WE HID THE GARAGE BEHIND THE HOUSE. I DIDN'T WANNA PUT IT TO THE SIDE. IT'S AN OVERSIZED LOT. SO I FELT LIKE HAVING THE ONE STORY MASTER SUITE TO THE RIGHT WHERE YOU COULD DO A POOL AND HAVE A REALLY NICE YARD WOULD BE A PRETTY STREET SCAPE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANKS. UH, I'LL JUST, WE HAVE A QUESTION. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO IN THE PUBLIC. IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE NOT YOURSELF NOT HEARING. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND IS THERE A MOTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITION OF A CONDITION THAT SIMPLIFIES THE PORCH COLUMNS. UM, TO BE MORE SQUARE TO A SIMPLE BOX. YEAH. AND ELIMINATES THE BRICK. AND WHAT ELIMINATES THE BRICK? JUST A, JUST A SIMPLE COLUMN. YEAH, JUST A SIMPLE WOOD SQUARE PORCH COLUMN WITH NO BRICK PLINTH OR BASE. IS THERE A SECOND QUESTION? YES. IF THEY WERE TO FIND EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE BRICK COLUMNS, THEN THAT'S FINE. THEN THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION. OKAY. THAT IF THEY DO DISCOVER THAT IN THE COURSE OF THE SURE. BUT TO ME THAT'S UNDERSTOOD, BUT SURE. IF YOU WANNA ADD IT, I I MEAN SHE SHE CAN ADD IT. IT'S NOT ME. . IF THERE IS HISTORICAL EVIDENCE UNCOVERED DURING THE RESTORATION, UH, DURING THE WORK THAT THERE WERE BRICK BASES, THE BASE OF THE COLUMNS FOR BRICK, THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO ADVANCE THAT DESIGN. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO, UH, COUCH. 'CAUSE YOU, YOU HELPED SHEPHERD US HERE. SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE LAST ITEM. UH, 11 18 36 CORTLAND STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION GARAGE. THIS IS STAFF MEMBER, UM, ARSLAN, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ITEM C 11, AGENDA ITEM C 11, UM, AT 1836 COURTLAND STREET. UM, THIS IS FOR THE GARAGE. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES DEMOLISHING AN EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING GAR [01:40:01] ONE STORY GARAGE AND BUILDING A TWO STORY NEW GARAGE AT THE REAR. UM, OF, OF THE, UM, EXISTING HOUSE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT 488 SQUARE FEET OF GARAGE ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND 528 SQUARE FEET. ON THE SECOND LEVEL. THE ROOF PITCH WILL BE SIX OVER 12. UM, AND THE, THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT WILL BE NINE FEET FOR THE FIRST LEVEL AND NINE FEET FOR THE SECOND. THE PROPOSED SIDING WILL BE FIBER, SMOOTH CEMENT, UH, CEMENTITIOUS, UH, SIDING AND ALL NEW WINDOWS TO BE INSET AND RECESSED. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE RIDGE HEIGHT BE AT 26 FEET, UM, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS. AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE AT 26 AND FIVE INCHES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OH, I, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE IT WAS TIED TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THERE WAS ANYTHING JUST TO BE SAFE. UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AA, BUT WHEN WE HAVE AN ADDITION AND A GARAGE, WE LIKE TO LINK THEM TOGETHER JUST IN CASE THE ADDITION DOESN'T GET APPROVED OR THERE ARE CHANGES. THEY DON'T HAVE AN, AN APPROVED, UM, AA UNDERSTOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, BUT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO ASK IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. IF SO, NOT YOURSELF. NOT HEARING ANYONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO A THEFT STAFFS RECOMMENDATION? YEP. SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? STAAVA OPPOSES. SORRY. AYE. NO. WAS AYE. OKAY, SO NO, NO, NO ONE OPPOSES ANY ABSTENTIONS? NO ABSTENTIONS. THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON. UM, NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, WHICH IS A REPORT FROM THE WINDOW SUBCOMMITTEE. WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY DEFER THAT ITEM UNTIL AFTER THE CAMP TRAINING ON THE WINDOW COMMISSIONS. I ALREADY COMMENT ON THE ONE THING I DID WANNA SHARE, WHICH WAS THAT WE FOUND THREE, UH, VENDORS OF ALUMINUM MILL FINISH WINDOWS. SO WE'RE TALKING ON 12. THE OTHER PART OF THAT, I'M SORRY, DID I MISS SOMETHING? WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GOING NEXT? WELL, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. SO IT WAS JUST ON THE, THE, THE AGENDA. SO WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM E COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. I DO HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP. SAM, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T STEP IN THIS , BUT, BUT I, UH, I'VE NEVER SPOKE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. I'VE ALWAYS JUST KIND OF DEFENDED MY JOBS. THE, THE FIVE AND A HALF STREET PROJECT THAT I GOT APPROVED, UH, THAT IS LOOKED SO LARGE, UH, IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. MY RENDERINGS WERE ACCURATE. I DID NOT, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYBODY. THERE WAS NO DECEPTION ON OUR PART IN OUR RENDERINGS. THE, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE, THERE'S A REASON I'M NOT DOING THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. UH, AND THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE HAS 11 FOOT CEILINGS DOWN, NINE FOOT CEILINGS UP THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE. THE PERSON THAT'S BUILDING THAT HOUSE AND THE PERSON THAT'S BUILDING THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TOLD ME THAT WAS GONNA BE HIS PERSONAL HOUSE AND THAT, AND AFTERWARDS I FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS NOT TRUE. SO IT, I I TAKE A, A LOT OF OFFENSE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I GIVE TO YOU GUYS IS ACCURATE IF I MAY MAKE A MISTAKE HERE AND THERE, BUT WHAT I GIVE TO YOU GUYS IS ACCURATE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THESE THINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. THAT'S SORT OF ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK. SURE. THANK YOU SAM. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANYONE ELSE. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC. ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SPEAK AND BEAR IN MIND WE'LL BE SPEAKING ALL DAY TOMORROW. COMMISSIONER MC, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL WOULD LOVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO ITEM C SEVEN, UH, THAT WE, NO, I GOTTA GO BACK TO THE AGENDA. C THROUGH THE WINDOWS C SEVEN WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? YES. REMOVE 10 ORIGINAL ALUMINUM MILL FINISH WINDOWS RECESS, TWO OVER TWO, HORIZONTAL DIVIDED LIGHT REPLACE WITH 10 CROFT, 95 SERIES ALUMINUM MILL FINISHED WINDOWS, SINGLE HUNG RECESS, ONE OVER ONE, NO GRILL WITHIN THE SAME WINDOW OPENING STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND THEN 15, 20 MINUTES LATER, WE TOLD ANOTHER PERSON WHO BROUGHT RESIDES IN GLENBURG VALLEY THAT THEY CAN'T WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND AN ALUMINUM WINDOW AS A REPLACEMENT WINDOW FOR HIS HOUSE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY. WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY TELL, WE DID TELL THE OTHER [01:45:01] APPLICANT THAT WE DISCUSSED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND A COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT. YES. AND THE, WE DID. THE, THE WINDOWS THAT THAT CLIENT HAD BOUGHT WERE VINYL, NOT ALUMINUM MILL FINISH. I NEVER WANTED TO PUT IN VINYL. BUT I THINK THAT TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, THAT WE NEED TO AS A COMMISSION AND AS STAFF TOMORROW, WE NEED TO GET OURSELVES STRAIGHT ON THIS BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I VOTED FOR IT AND I WANNA TAKE IT BACK. THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. STAFF SHOULD NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO ADMINISTRATIVELY, IN MY OPINION. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE ON THIS ISSUE TOMORROW, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF IS CLEAR ON WHERE WE ARE. AND IF THAT IS, THERE MUST BE DEMONSTRABLE, EV DEMONSTRABLE, YOU MUST DEMONSTRATE EVIDENCE THAT YOUR WINDOWS ARE FAILING IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE. MM-HMM . ITEM C SIX, WHICH WE DID NOT AGREE WITH. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT HE COULD REPAIR THE BRICK AND WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND AN ACCEPTABLE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S MY COMMENT IS, IS THAT'S WHERE I DON'T THINK WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT. WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION WAS COMMENTS THAT IT'S A GOOD ORIGINAL WINDOW. HE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT IN PLACE. AND THAT HE, THAT HE COULDN'T WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND THE ACCEPTABLE REPLACEMENT. EVEN THOUGH HE HAS STORM DAMAGE AND HAS TO REPLACE SOME OF HIS WINDOWS, HE'S GONNA HAVE SOME BRAND NEW WINDOWS AND SOME HOLES, AND HE IS KIND OF OLD WINDOWS AND OTHER HOLES. WHEREAS DOWN THE STREET, WE LET HIS NEIGHBOR REPLACE ALL OF HIS WINDOWS. THAT TO ME IS A FAILURE ON THE COMMISSION'S PART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MCNEIL ON THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE BELABOR THE, UH, THE GLENBROOK VALLEY COMMUNITY A LOT BECAUSE FRANKLY, THOSE, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY ARE IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY FEEL IS MOST APPROPRIATE AND SAFE AND, AND ENERGY SAVING AS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE TAKEN EXTENSIVE EFFORTS YEAH. TO LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. BUT IT, BUT THE BUT IT CONTINUES. BUT EVEN THOUGH THOSE EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE, IT CONTINUES TO COME BACK TIME AND TIME AGAIN AT ALMOST EVERY OTHER MEETING THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY SAY, I DID NOT KNOW THAT I HAVE, THAT I, I'VE GOTTA JUMP IN. I I HOLD HOPE THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLENBURG VALLEY DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WOULD ADMIT TO KNOWING THEY'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO I, I GUESS I'M TAKING YOU TO TASK FOR OVER, UH, GENERALIZING THE FACT. WE CAN'T SAY THAT THE PEOPLE IN GLENBURG VALLEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE CAN SAY, I THINK YOU'LL AGREE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE US ROUTINELY WHO CLAIM THAT. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S A BETTER STATEMENT. SO, AND I DON'T MEAN TO NITPICK, BUT I, IT'S IMPORTANT AND, AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT A PERSONAL OPINION THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I, I HAVE FOND HOPE REALLY MEAN I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANT TO BE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S MY HOPE. YES, THAT'S, IM THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER. NO, THAT'S JUST, I'M AN OPTIMIST. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S TRUE. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, UH, THAT, UH, WITH MY DEPARTMENT AT RICE, I'M ORGANIZING A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ON THIS TOPIC, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE PUBLIC PARK PUBLIC LIBRARY SEPTEMBER 28TH. WE'LL INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THIS ISSUE SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD. UM, I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA'S COMMENTS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE SORT OF INHERENT INEQUITIES OF THE PRESERVATION POLICY WITH RESPECT TO GLEN BERG VALLEY. SINCE, SINCE YOU SPILLED BEANS, SORRY, SINCE YOU SPILLED THE BEANS, COULD YOU TELL US JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? SEPTEMBER 28TH IS A TIME ESTABLISHED IN, IN THE S SEPTEMBER 28TH. I BELIEVE IT'S THE PARK PUBLIC LIBRARY. IT'S TO THE ONE JUST TO THE NORTH OF GLENBROOK VALLEY. THE SPEAKERS ARE NOT YET CONFIRMED, UH, FOR THAT EVENT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMEONE FROM THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, UH, AT LEAST. AND SO THAT THE MANY SIDES OF THE ISSUE CAN BE HEARD. ALSO, I ALSO HAVE INVITED COMMISSIONER CURRY AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WINDOWS SUBCOMMITTEE, SO THAT OPTIONS CAN BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. AND I WELCOME ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT ANYONE MAY HAVE ABOUT THE CONTENT AS WE WILL FINALIZE THE DETAILS IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS OR SO. PART PUBLIC CALL. MR. CHAIR? YES. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT ALSO THAT TODAY'S, UH, TODAY WAS A FANTASTIC DAY OF TWO EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE COLLECTIVELY [01:50:01] FALTER IN CONSISTENCY AND CONSISTENCY IN WHETHER WE WHAT AND, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL HAS SAID, AND SOMETIMES I TAKE EXCEPTION TO WHAT LEGAL HAS SAID, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, AND I MEAN THE PUBLIC, THE HOMEOWNERS LOOK TO US FOR CONSISTENCY IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. AND IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE MATTER THAT SAYS, OH, THREE MONTHS AGO WE MADE A DECISION, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO REALLY BE CONSISTENT ABOUT THAT DECISION, WHICH NOW WE CAN SEE THE SETBACK OF THAT RIGHT? 7 1 3 VERSUS 7 1 7 AND THIS TWO HOUSES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN TOMORROW'S CAMP THAT WE ACTUALLY IRON OUT A LOT OF THIS INCONSISTENCY. IT INCLUDES MASSING AS WELL TO, FOR THE PATH FORWARD FOR THIS ENTIRE COMMISSION. SO WE ACTUALLY BECOME THE KNOWLEDGE BEHIND FOR ALL THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN APPLY AND THEN THEY CAN APPLY CONSISTENTLY. GOOD FOR THE ARCHITECTS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I THINK WE WILL BE JOINED BY MEMBERS OF THE APPEALS BOARD AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO BE I WILL BE THERE, I WILL BE PRESENT OFF AND ON. IT'S A FAIRLY PACKED SCHEDULE AND I KNOW THERE'S NOT TIME SET ASIDE FOR LEGAL TALKING AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE OTHER TOPICS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR SURE. I UNDERSTAND. BUT I, I GUESS I, MY, MY HOPE, MY HOPE IS BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE SEEN THE AGENDA AND IT'S THE LONGEST AGENDA I'VE EVER SEEN FOR SUCH A TRAINING AND, UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE DESIGN RELATED ISSUES AND THERE ARE AT LEAST A FEW SESSIONS THAT, THAT ARE ON TOPIC. THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF TIME YEAH. AS AS, AS YOU POINT OUT. YEAH. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST, AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, WE SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD A, A, A MEETING ON A BUS AND WE ROLLED AROUND TOWN LOOKING AT OUR DECISIONS, WHICH HAVE INFORMED, YOU KNOW, ITS DECISIONS THAT FOLLOWED. AND, UM, AND SO I'M HOPING THAT CAMP TOMORROW MAYBE CAN OUTLINE SOME ITEMS AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE A DIFFERENT MEETING OR, OR SOME KIND OF FORUM WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. IS THERE ANY OTHER COM COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? SO IS THERE A PLAN ALSO TO DO THE BUS RIDE AGAIN? WELL, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DOING THE BUS RIDE BECAUSE I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE THROUGH LINN BRICK VALLEY AND DRIVE THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS BECAUSE I THINK FRIDAY BUS RIDE YOU'RE DRIVING THE BUS. YEAH. YEAH. WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE JUST PUT THE MEETING ON THE BUS. IT'S BEEN A TIME SINCE JUST DROVE AROUND TOWN. BUT THE BUS, THE BUS RIDE IN THE PAST HAS BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL. I MEAN, WHEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECTS PUT INTO PRACTICE, HOW THEY RELATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL, WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTS AS THEY COME IN FRONT OF US. MM-HMM . AND WE, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION A WHILE, I MEAN, DESIGN GUIDELINES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR CONSISTENCY ISSUES TODAY COME WHEN I, WE SPENT 10 YEARS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE HEIGHTS, DEALING WITH ADDITIONS THAT WERE 4,200 SQUARE FEET, 3,200 SQUARE FEET. THE ADDITION WITH NO, THE ADDITION WITH NO, WITH NO GUIDELINE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE BASIC ORDINANCE TO INTERPRET THAT. AND WHEN WE GOT THE GUIDELINES, IT, IT, IT MADE EVERYTHING MUCH EASIER. THERE WERE NO MOVING TARGETS. WE WERE MORE CONSISTENT. PEOPLE KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT I HEAR IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN THEY'RE DEALING WITH WINDOWS OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REAL GUIDANCE. SO, SO WE HAVE GUIDELINES IN HOW MANY DISTRICTS? 3, 4, 4 23. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE THREE OF THE HEIGHTS AND OLD SIX SCHOOLS SUGGESTION TO MOVE. I MEAN, AND I KNOW Y'ALL ARE, I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE, I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THEM, BUT I MEAN, THEY DO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER SURE. AS A COMMISSION TO, TO RULE ON THINGS AND IT RIGHT. SUBJECTIVE. WELL, ESPECIALLY ON A NEW BUILD, NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. PERFECT EXAMPLE. MM-HMM . RIGHT? YEAH. BUT I, I'LL JUST POINT OUT, I MEAN, UM, AND I'VE MENTIONED TO STAFF THE ISSUE THAT YOU'VE RAISED ABOUT THESE PROJECTS IN GLEN BRICK VALLEY IS THE, THE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE IS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT. UNLESS THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRED. AND THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WINDOW OUT UNLESS YOU CAN'T REPAIR IT. AND OBVIOUSLY GLEN BRICK VALLEY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ALUMINUM. THE, THE REPAIR PROCEDURE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THERE'RE NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WITH KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT, BUT THEY CAN, [01:55:01] THEY CAN BE DONE. BUT I THINK THE CRUX OF THIS ISSUE IS HOW OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND, AND HOW WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW TYPE IN ONE OF THE DISTRICTS WE HAVE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THIS, THIS CONVERSATION THAT IS, THAT IS MORE NUANCED. UM, SO TO THAT END, SO I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THE, THE, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WAS NOT APPROVING THE OTHER PROJECT. AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S ONE POSSIBLE ANSWER AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ANSWER IS LETTING PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR WINDOWS. EVEN IF YEAH. IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN FINE SHAPE, WHICH WE DON'T ALLOW ANY OTHER DISTRICT BASED ON THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. TO ME, THAT'S THE, THAT'S OUR CHALLENGE, OUR DILEMMA, WHICH AT LEAST FOR A PORTION OF TOMORROW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AT LEAST IDENTIFY IT. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPEAKERS ARE GONNA SAY PER SE. I JUST KNOW THE GENERAL TOPICS THAT I'VE SEEN ON THE AGENDA. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH. YOU HAD A DESIGN GUIDE GUIDELINES GET GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT SAID YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS TO ALUMINUM MILL FINISH, LIKE LIGHT PATTERN. THAT WOULD HELP. DO WE HAVE, I'M SORRY IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT OUT. HAS THE COMMISSION SEEN THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW? YES, IT'S ON, IT'S ONLINE. IT'S ONLINE. OKAY. IT'S ONLINE. YOU CAN GO, I'LL CHECK IT TONIGHT. YOU CAN GO AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT. I JUST, WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION A YEAR AGO ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER AND CAMP WAS A GOOD WAY TO FUND IT AND, AND SEEMED TO BE A GOOD FRAMEWORK, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CUSTOMIZING THAT TO, TO HOUSTON AND TO OUR COMMISSION, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. UM, BUT THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WERE SO THAT WE COULD GATHER AND HAVE THESE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS. SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TOMORROW TO HAVE A LOT OF FREE FLOWING CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS. UM, I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE PRE THE PREVIOUS MEETING FOR THE LEGAL ASPECTS HAD TO BE POSTPONED. AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE TWO MEETINGS HAVE BEEN MERGED INTO ONE DAY AND THAT'S WHY THE DAY IS SUCH A LONG DAY. GOT IT. AND I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATE IT HAS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE NONE OF US COULD GET TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. BUT WE REALLY DO OURSELVES AS A COMMISSION AND OUR MEETINGS EVERY MONTH A DISSERVICE IF WE DON'T PRIORITIZE THE TIME TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. KIM, DID I MISSTATE SOMETHING? NO, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THE LEGAL AND PROCEDURAL, THE ETHICS AND PROCEDURAL TRAINING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED GOT CANCELED 'CAUSE I HAD COVID. UM, AND YES, IT JUST HAS NOT BEEN RESCHEDULED. THAT WAS NOT, THAT SORT OF TRAINING WAS NOT SO MUCH GEARED TOWARDS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. THOSE ARE PROBABLY ADDITIONAL BIGGER ISSUES THAT YES, WE PROBABLY NEED TO LEAVE SOME TIME IN THAT TRAINING TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN, IS IN YOUR MIND, IS THAT STILL GONNA HAPPEN? IS IT A QUESTION WHY? AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S, BUT I THINK, I THINK WITH STAFF TRYING TO GET A DATE AND A PLACE FOR THIS HAS TAKEN UP A LOT OF TIME AND WE KNOW IT'S HARD SCHEDULING EVERYBODY. UM, HOW MANY DAYS DO WE ASK YOU TO COME IN, COME SPEND A WHOLE WEEK WITH US? MM-HMM . MAYBE. HOW ABOUT ABOUT HALF A DAY? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE NICK. MOVING ON. UM, ITEM G, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER REPORT. ROMAN, I'M GONNA DEFER TO TAYLOR FOR A MINUTE ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS FOR TOMORROW, AND THEN I'LL, AND I'LL HAVE A FEW WORDS. Y'ALL ALMOST CAUGHT A BREAK FROM ME, BUT HERE I AM AGAIN, . UM, SO TOMORROW, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN 8 45 ARRIVAL JUST SO YOU CAN GET SETTLED IN. UM, APOLOGIES FOR IT BEING HERE. MOTHER NATURE'S HAD OTHER PLANS, SO HOPEFULLY WHENEVER WE DO, UM, SCHEDULE THE ETHICS TRAINING, HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE OFFSITE WITH THAT, PERHAPS, UM, IF WE REALLY JUST WANNA GET OUTTA THE BUILDING. SO, UM, , UM, AND I'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE PARKING PASSES AND EVERYTHING AT THE END, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S GOOD. I, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS AND DON'T SHOOT ME OUT IF IT DIDN'T GO AS PLANNED , BUT WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS. WE, UM, TRIED TO EMPHASIZE WINDOWS AND DIFFERENTIATION AS BEST AS WE COULD BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TWO, UM, MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE SAW COME UP THE MOST. SO I JUST HOPE EVERYBODY ENJOYS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. AND PARKING ISN'T THE HOBBY GARAGE? YES. OKAY. YEAH. AND I'LL GO BACK TO ROMAN. THANK YOU ROMAN. YOU'RE UP. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. IT'S STILL GONNA BE A RECORD TIME. I THINK WE CAN GET OUTTA HERE. I KNOW. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO JENNIFER OSLAND PUBLICLY. UH, YOUR, UH, YEAH, HER UP PROFESSIONALISM HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY. YOUR EVEN KEEL NESS AND YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR [02:00:01] HAS JUST BEEN REMARKABLE AND I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE HERE. OKAY. WHEN WE ADJOURNED TO SEE YOU RIGHT IN EARLY TOMORROW. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.