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          HERE. 
          DIRECTOR QUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          DIRECTOR HILDER. 
          PRESENT. 
          DIRECTOR SILVERMAN. 
          DIRECTOR COHEN. 
          HERE. 
          DIRECTOR HUFF. 
          HERE. 
          DIRECTOR GOOSE HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM WITH THAT. 
          SO LET'S PROCEED TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          UM, AND THAT IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, INVITE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS THE BOARD. 
          WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS, SIGN IN AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM SO WE ARE AWARE OF YOUR PRESENCE AND ALL COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. 
          YOU MAY SPEAK ON ANY MATTER CONCERNING THE BOARD. 
          AN HFSC AT THIS TIME, DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK SEEING NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN OUR AUDIENCE TODAY, UH, WHO SIGNED UP FOR COMMENT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL CLOSE AT THIS TIME. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON, UM, TO THE, UH, BOARD MINUTES NOW WE'LL CONSIDER MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 10TH, 2024. 
          BOARD MEETING. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? HEARING NONE, UH, WILL CONDUCT A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          MAY I HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND MOVE? THANK YOU. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I BELIEVE I HEARD FROM DIRECTOR COHEN, UH, THAT YOU DID THE MOTION, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND, UH, DIRECTOR HILDER? YES. 
          A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MIC SO WE CAN HEAR THE VOICE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GREAT. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          UM, THE NEXT SECTION, UM, IS THE, UH, UH, PRESIDING OFFICER'S MONTHLY REPORT. 
          AND FOR MY REPORT TODAY, I HAVE A FEW, UH, ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT IN MY ROLE AS THE INTERIM VICE CHAIR AND PRESENTING OFFICER. 
          WOW. 
          WHAT A JOB TITLE. 
          AS I MENTIONED DURING THE LAST BOARD MEETING, I'M HONORED TO SERVE IN THIS POSITION AND GLADLY DO SO AS LONG AS THE BOARD AND THE NEWLY ELECTED APPOINTED CHAIR WILL HAVE ME. 
          WE'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT MAYOR WHITMEYER AND COUNCIL WILL SOON APPOINT NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO FILL OUR CURRENT VACANCIES. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH OUR NEW COLLEAGUES, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING TODAY. 
          GIVEN THE RECENT IMPACTS OF HURRICANE BARREL, I KNOW MANY OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF HAVE BEEN WITHOUT POWER MOST OF THE WEEK, AND OTHERS ARE DEALING WITH DAMAGE TO THEIR HOMES AND THEIR YARDS. 
          MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH EACH OF YOU, AND I'M HOPEFUL THINGS WILL RETURN TO NORMAL OR AS CLOSE TO NORMAL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF WHO CONTINUED WORKING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PUBLIC THIS WEEK, ESPECIALLY OUR CRIME SCENE UNIT. 
          UM, THEY WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK AND DID THEIR JOBS IN A STELLAR FASHION. 
          I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO ASSISTED WITH FACILITIES SAFETY AND EXECUTING OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN. 
          WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH A DEDICATED TEAM WHO STEPS UP NOT ONLY IN TIMES OF CRISIS, BUT ALSO IN THEIR EVERYDAY WORK. 
          NEXT, I WANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE REGARDING TWO AGREEMENTS THE BOARD APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT REQUIRED TIME SENSITIVE AMENDMENTS. 
          BEFORE OUR MEETING TODAY, CHAIRWOMAN MITCHELL ADDRESSED THESE CONTRACTUAL NEEDS ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. 
          BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF HER TERM, IN LATE MAY, CHAIRWOMAN MITCHELL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING ONE YEAR SIGNATURE SCIENCE OUTSOURCING CONTRACT. 
          THE BOARD APPROVED DURING ITS SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2023 MEETING. 
          THE INITIAL CONTRACT WAS VALUED AT $600,000. 
          HOWEVER, THE AMENDMENT INCREASED THAT CONTRACT TO $1,390,000 AND ALLOWED OUR FOR FORENSIC BIOLOGY SECTION TO IMMEDIATELY SEND ADDITIONAL BATCHES OF NON-SEXUAL ASSAULT KITS. 
          AS WE KNOW, OUTSOURCING IS IMMENSELY IMPORTANT PART OF THE OPERATION FOR THIS SECTION. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IN LATE JUNE, CHAIRWOMAN MITCHELL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE MATTER PORT AGREEMENT FOR 3D SERVICES CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED BY OUR CRIME SCENE UNIT. 
          THE BOARD APPROVED THE INITIAL AGREEMENT IN DECEMBER OF, UH, 
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10TH 2021 BOARD MEETING AND THE TOTAL CONTRACT VALUE OF $260,000. 
          THIS AMENDMENT EXTENDED THE TERMS OF SERVICE BY ONE MONTH AND ADDED ANOTHER $11,900 AND 67 CENTS TO THE TALL TOTAL CONTRACT VALUE. 
          OF NOTE, THIS AMENDED AGREEMENT IS NOT THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL CONSIDER TODAY UNDER AGENDA ITEM NINE A. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? HEARING NONE, UH, WE WILL PROCEED TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, DR. 
          STEP, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          GOOD MORNING Y'ALL. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. 
          UH, IT'S A LITTLE MIRACULOUS. 
          WE'RE PULLING THIS MEETING OFF THIS WEEK, . 
          IT'S BEEN A WEEK, HASN'T IT? UM, ALRIGHT, SO PRESIDENT'S REPORT. 
          UH, FIRST THING, JUST A FEW UPDATES FROM OUR LAST BOARD MEETING. 
          SO, UH, ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, UH, AS OUR PRESIDING OFFICER , WHAT, WHATEVER OUR TITLE IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING THERE FOR YOU JONI. 
          UM, . 
          YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO SPIN THIS F Y'S FYS BUDGET RAPIDLY. 
          UH, WE HAVE ALREADY SHIPPED OUT 240 NON SAK, UH, DNA OUTSOURCED CASES. 
          UM, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHIP MORE OF THAT. 
          I MEAN, THE, HAVING THAT BUDGET THERE HAS BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT FOR BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD HERE STARTING IN JULY. 
          AND ALSO NOT HAVING ANY LAG IN OUTSOURCING THE SAS. 
          UH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF MEDIA AROUND SAS WITH THE WHOLE SL UH, ISSUE IN HPD. 
          SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 33 KITS AND THAT'S IT, THAT ARE OVER 90 DAYS. 
          AND KEEP IN MIND THAT 90 DAY NUMBER IS WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT IS AROUND THE TESTING OF KITS IS 90 DAYS OR LESS. 
          SO THAT'S IF, IF YOUR KIT IS ONE OF THOSE 33, NO, THAT'S LONGER THAN WE WOULD LIKE, BUT THAT IS A VERY SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE. 
          UM, THE AVERAGE TURNAROUND TIME RIGHT NOW IS 84 DAYS. 
          UH, THE OUTSOURCE LABORATORIES HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN IMPROVING THEIR TURNAROUND TIMES. 
          AND SO WE ARE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY THINK THEY CAN TAKE, ADJUSTING WHAT WE WILL SEND. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONSTANT THING, BUT THE BUDGET'S THERE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP DOING IT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE, AND YOU, YOU ALL APPROVED THAT, UM, IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TARRANT COUNTY, UH, SOME VERY LIMITED CAPACITY TO OUTSOURCE FIREARMS TO TARRANT COUNTY. 
          AGAIN, I WILL SAY IT IS A VERY LIMITED CAPACITY. 
          THIS ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE THE WHOLE THING, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE CAN FIND AND IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DA'S OFFICE IN HOW WE UTILIZE THAT TO MAXIMUM EFFECT. 
          WHAT DO WE SHIP UP THERE? WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO SHIP UP THERE? WHAT IS GONNA BE THE BEST FOR THE SYSTEM TO SHIP UP THERE? SO THAT'S, THAT IS ACTIVELY BEING WORKED AS WELL. 
          UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN ONE OF THOSE WEEKS, UH, FIGURED WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE AROUND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND GIVE YOU ALL SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE. 
          I'VE TALKED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS LOTS OF VERY KIND THOUGHTS FOR US. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS, THEY ALWAYS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING OUT FOR US. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE BEEN INVITED TO COME SPEAK ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPARATIONS FOR LABORATORIES BECAUSE WE GET SO MUCH PRACTICE AT THIS . 
          UM, WE'VE GOTTEN REALLY GOOD AT RESILIENCY AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          I REALLY AM GETTING A LITTLE EXHAUSTED TO BE SO GOOD AT RESILIENCY AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT AROUND THIS AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND WE ARE CONTINUALLY REEVALUATING WHAT WE'VE DONE AROUND THIS SHORT ANSWER FOR BARREL. 
          WE DID FINE THROUGH BARREL, UM, BUT WE JUST ISSUED JUST BEFORE BARREL ACTUALLY CAME THROUGH A NEW EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN. 
          UH, WE REGULARLY UPDATE THIS. 
          UM, SO, SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA KIND OF TYPICALLY FOR EVENTS LIKE THIS. 
          CSU IS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUR STORM RIDERS. 
          UM, THEY HAVE TO KEEP FUNCTIONING THROUGH BARREL. 
          I THINK KARINA WAS TEARING TELLING ME FROM THE START OF THE STORM TO BASICALLY THE END OF THE STORM ITSELF. 
          WE RESPONDED TO FIVE HOMICIDES AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, AND ALSO THE, THE REALLY TRAGIC DROWNING OF THE HPD EMPLOYEE. 
          AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE STORM. 
          SO YEAH, THEY ARE NOT ONLY JUST TENDING THE BUILDING FOR 
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US, THEY ARE ALSO ACTIVELY RESPONDING TO SCENES IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE EVENTS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FREEZES, IN THE STORMS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, BUT WE USUALLY SHIFT 'EM TO 12 HOUR SHIFTS. 
          WE USUALLY TRY AND PUT THINGS SO THAT WE TRY TO NOT HAVE PEOPLE GOING OFF AND ON SHIFTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES. 
          WE'VE BEEN PRETTY FORTUNATE IN WORKING WITH THE WHITEHALL THAT WE CAN USUALLY GET 'EM ROOMS OVER AT THE WHITEHALL. 
          WE LEARN THAT ONE IN HARVEY BECAUSE CSU SLEPT ON LOTS OF FLOORS DURING HARVEY. 
          UH, SO WE LOOK TO TRY AND GET AS MANY FACILITIES FOR 'EM AS WE CAN. 
          WE KEEP SUPPLIES. 
          WE'VE GOT WATER. 
          WE'VE GOT RES THAT WE KEEP FOR 'EM AS WELL ON SITE. 
          UH, WE HAVE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS CHECKLISTS FOR EACH OF THE SECTIONS THAT THEY GO THROUGH TO PREPARE FOR, UM, WHAT GOES DOWN AND, AND HOW TO PREPARE THEIR PARTICULAR SECTIONS, WHAT'S INSTRUMENTS TO SWITCH OFF, COVER UP, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I WAS HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH GENERAL SERVICES DIVISIONS ACTUALLY YESTERDAY ABOUT THE GENERATOR. 
          WE HAVE. 
          SO THE BUILDING HAS A GENERATOR FOR, UH, LIFE SAFETY ELEVATORS, SOME LIMITED POWER IN THE CORE OF THE BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE A GENERATOR. 
          IT'S POSITIONED ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY INSIDE OF A CINDER BLOCK STRUCTURE ON THE ROOF. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY HARDENED ON THE ROOF. 
          UH, THAT GENERATOR LARGELY IS FOR MAINTAINING REFRIGERATION AND FREEZERS. 
          WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF REFRIGERATORS AND FREEZERS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF EVIDENCE IN REFRIGERATORS AND FREEZERS. 
          WE HAVE WHAT HVAC WE'VE GOT ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL MINI SPLIT SYSTEMS THAT ARE ON THERE THAT ARE BASICALLY TO REMOVE THE WASTE HEAT FROM THOSE REFRIGERATORS AND FREEZERS THAT ARE STILL OPERATING. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE , WE DON'T HAVE THERE, THERE, THERE BASICALLY AREN'T GENERATORS LARGE ENOUGH TO RUN A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF FACILITY IN THE HVAC AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO IN THAT. 
          SO NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          UM, CSU HAS BEEN ABLE TO OPERATE PRETTY WELL EVEN WHEN WE HAVE BEEN WITHOUT POWER. 
          UM, AND THE GENERATOR HAS WORKED PRETTY WELL FOR US, COVERING THE REFRIGERATORS AND FREEZERS. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY THE REFRIGERATOR FREEZER. 
          IT ALSO MAINTAINS SECURITY SYSTEMS AND OUR IT SYSTEMS AND COOLING AROUND THOSE IT SYSTEMS BECAUSE THE SINGLE BIGGEST IMPACT WE HAVE HAD FROM ALL OF THESE EVENTS IS THE POWER OUTAGES FOR STAFF ELSEWHERE. 
          UM, WE'VE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO KEEP STAFF WORKING PRETTY WELL REMOTELY. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT, UM, LAPTOPS NOW. 
          THEY'VE GOT VPN ACCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REALLY PRETTY CAPABLE FOR THEM TO WORK IN, UH, DIVERSE SETTINGS AND NOT HAVE TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SOMETHING GOING. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT A MASS SMS TEXT MESSAGING SYSTEM THAT WE USE AS SAME SYSTEM A LOT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS USE. 
          UM, AND UM, THAT'S WORKED PRETTY WELL TO KEEP INFORMING STAFF. 
          UH, SO THAT'S, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN PLACE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING TO DO, WE ACTUALLY, UM, GETTING THE QUOTES FOR IT OR LOOKING TO EXECUTE IT, OF INSTALLING A REINFORCING FILM ON THE WINDOWS OF THE 18TH FLOOR TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE RESISTANT TO POTENTIAL MISSILES OR, UH, WIND DAMAGE. 
          WE'RE DOING IT ON THE 18TH FLOOR BECAUSE EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT THERE. 
          YOU COULD THINK OF IT THAT IF WE CAN REINFORCE THE WINDOWS, WE HAVE LESS THAT WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN FOR AN EVENT BECAUSE ANYTIME WE SHUT DOWN INSTRUMENTS, WE BASICALLY OBLIGE OURSELVES TO ABOUT A WEEK'S WORTH OF WORK TO BRING STUFF BACK UP. 
          SO THE LESS WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN, THE FASTER WE CAN COME BACK UP AFTER AN EVENT. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY LOSING A WINDOW OVER AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO FIND, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY MANUFACTURERS THEY WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO REPLACE. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THAT FILM. 
          IT ALSO MAY HAVE THE ADDED BENEFIT OF HELPING US MANAGE THE HEAT ON THE 18TH FLOOR A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SOLAR REFLECTIVE AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE GENERIC THINGS ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU OR THINGS THAT YOU WANNA UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ON? WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ON IT AND OUR FOLKS SPEND A LOT OF, I, I REALLY HAVE GOTTEN QUITE GOOD AT IT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO FOR BARREL IN PARTICULAR, UM, WE HAD A COUPLE OF SMALL LEAKS AROUND WINDOWS ON THE 18TH FLOOR. 
          THEY WERE MANAGEABLE BASICALLY WITH A SMALL PILE OF PAPER TOWELS. 
          UM, AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF LEAKAGE 
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DOWN IN THE, UH, SHOOTING RANGE IN THE BASEMENT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THE BUILDING FOUNDATION SEALS. 
          I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE BUILDING ABOUT REPLACING THOSE BUILDING FOUNDATION SEALS, BUT THEY WERE, I MEAN, THEY WERE SMALL WATER LEAKS. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T LOSE POWER, UH, ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. 
          WE DID LOSE ONE OF THE BIG WINDOWS ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING THIS TIME AROUND. 
          BUILDING MANAGEMENT IS ON SITE THROUGH ALL OF THESE EVENTS. 
          AND I'VE GOTTA GIVE JOHN QUINLAN AND HIS TEAM A REAL SHOUT OUT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE MANAGED JUST FABULOUSLY IN THESE THINGS. 
          UM, THEY WERE THERE, THEY ADDRESSED IT RAPIDLY. 
          THEY HAD IT CONTROLLED RAPIDLY, HAD STUFF BOARDED UP ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY OUTSTANDING JOB MANAGING THE BUILDING THROUGH THESE THINGS. 
          AND LIKE I SAY, THE BIGGEST IMPACT WE HAD OUT OF BARREL WAS THE WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES THAT PREVENTED EMPLOYEES REALLY FROM BEING ABLE TO WORK ELSEWHERE. 
          'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE POWER AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE NETWORK ELSEWHERE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING PEOPLE MOVING AROUND THE CITY TO ACTUALLY GET THEM DOWNTOWN, THOSE ARE THE IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CHALLENGING FOR US TO MANAGE. 
          UM, THEY'RE CHALLENGING FOR EVERYBODY TO MANAGE. 
          BUT CSUI, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH FOR WHAT CSU HAS DONE. 
          I MEAN, AND THESE, THESE FOLKS, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE THROUGH FREEZES, THROUGH POWER OUTAGES, THROUGH STORMS, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH TO CALL 'EM RIOTS, BUT I MEAN, THE PERIODS WHERE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAT HAVE DISRUPTED OPERATIONS DOWNTOWN, WHETHER THOSE ARE THE PARADES OR ELSE, I MEAN, CSU IS THERE, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH IT, THEY'RE GETTING AROUND TO THESE THINGS. 
          I MEAN, IT IS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY WHAT THEY DO. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, BERYL IT WAS, IT WAS A REAL STORM, BUT WE DID JUST FINE THROUGH IT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? ALRIGHT, THE NEXT PART I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GIVE TO OUR GENERAL COUNSEL TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE I'M FIGURING THE LAWYER CAN TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS BETTER THAN MY INTERPRETATION OF THEM. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, BOTH SUPREME COURT AND TEXAS COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS DECISIONS THAT HAVE SOME REAL IMPACTS ON US AND WILL FOR YEARS YET TO COME. 
          SO I'LL LET AKILAH KIND OF WORK THROUGH TALKING ON THESE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DR. 
          SOUTH. 
          UM, I DON'T OFTEN PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND I LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. 
          HOWEVER, SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE COURT DECISIONS THAT MAY IMPACT OPERATIONS OR MAY IMPACT THE BOARD. 
          AND SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE DO WANT TO KINDA GET IN FRONT OF IT AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, OF WHAT WE MAY SEE COMING DOWN THE LINE. 
          UM, SO THE CASES WE HAVE TODAY REALLY FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES. 
          ONE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LAB'S OBLIGATION TO TURN OVER RECORDS AND INFORMATION, UM, FROM OUR CASES. 
          AND THE SECOND GROUP OF CASES IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT WITNESSES FROM THE LAB MUST BE CALLED TO, UH, PROVE UP THE CASE OR TO ALLOW OUR WORK TO BE ADMITTED INTO COURT. 
          AND BOTH OF THOSE, UH, DECISIONS COULD HAVE IMPACTS ON US. 
          A LOT OF IT WILL BE WAIT AND SEE, BUT, UM, AGAIN, WANTED TO BRING THEM TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE FIRST CASE, STATE OF TEXAS VERSUS HEATH, UH, IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO COMPLY WITH THE MICHAEL MORTON ACT? AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD US SAY MICHAEL MORTON ACT, OR 39 14 IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UH, THAT WAS THE CASE WHERE A MAN WAS WRONGFULLY CONVICTED OF, UH, KILLING HIS WIFE. 
          AND, UM, EVENTUALLY IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT THE PROSECUTORS WITHHELD, UH, VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND STATEMENTS THAT EXONERATED HIM IN THE END. 
          AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT CASE, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW THAT, UH, REALLY PUT SOME TEETH INTO DISCOVERY REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND BY DISCOVERY, I JUST MEAN WHAT DOES THE STATE HAVE TO TURN OVER TO THE DEFENSE COUNSEL SO THEY CAN PREPARE FOR, UH, FOR TRIAL? AND THAT OBLIGATION EXTENDS TO US AS WELL AS THE LAB. 
          SO WE, WE DEAL WITH THOSE REQUESTS ON A REGULAR BASIS THROUGH OUR CLIENT SERVICES, UM, DIVISION. 
          AND SO, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THE, THE COURT WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DID IT MEAN TO TIMELY TURN OVER EVIDENCE IN A CASE OR AS A STATUTE TOWARDS IT, UH, AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND IN THIS CASE, THE STATE, UM, TURNED OVER A NINE ONE CALL, NINE ONE ONE CALL ABOUT SIX DAYS BEFORE TRIAL. 
          AND IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HAD IT ALL ALONG. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THEY HAD IT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AFTER THE DEFENSE MADE THE REQUEST FOR DISCOVERY. 
          AND SO THE PROSECUTORS HAD, YOU KNOW, A NOTE OR TWO IN THEIR REPORT THAT MIGHT HAVE LED THEM TO BELIEVE THERE COULD BE A 9 1 1 CALL. 
          BUT BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THE COURT ACCEPTS THAT THE PROSECUTORS HAD NO IDEA IT EXISTED. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN IT DID COME TO LIGHT, THEY TURNED IT OVER AND 
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THE DEFENSE SAID, HEY, THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME. 
          IT'S WAY AFTER WE MADE THE REQUEST, THE CALL SHOULD NOT COME IN. 
          AND SO THE COURT ACTUALLY AGREED WITH THE DEFENSE HERE AND SAID, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, STATE, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, UM, SIX DAYS BEFORE TRIAL, IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME. 
          AND SO THE NINE ONE ONE CALL IS NOT COMING IN. 
          UM, NOW THE REASON WHY THAT MATTERS IS ON THE PROSECUTOR'S SIDE, FIRST OF ALL, IT SAYS, KNOWING, UH, ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THE EVIDENCE IS NOT, IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          UH, WHATEVER LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS AND DE FACTO WHATEVER HFSC HAS, THE PROSECUTORS ARE GONNA BE PRESUMED TO HAVE IT AS WELL FOR PURPOSES OF COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, IT ALSO PUTS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THEM TO MAKE EFFORTS TO REACH OUT. 
          RIGHT? SO IN THIS, EXCUSE ME, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THEY SAID THE PROSECUTOR SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE TO KEEP FOLLOWING UP WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO SEE IF THERE WAS MORE EVIDENCE. 
          AND SO, UM, AND I WOULD SAY THE LAST THING ABOUT THE RULING AS WELL IS THAT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE BAD FAITH ON THE PROSECUTOR'S PART, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE COURT TO BE ABLE TO EXCLUDE THAT EVIDENCE. 
          AND SO WHY IT MAY BE AN ISSUE FOR US IS, UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT KIND OF HAS PROSECUTORS UP IN A FRENZY. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, BEING REQUIRED TO KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS, IS NOT GREAT FOR THEM, RIGHT? UM, ALSO, IT, AGAIN, THEM NOT HAVING TO HAVE BAD FAITH IN ANY OF THIS CONDUCT AND TO STILL HAVE THIS POTENTIAL RESULT, AGAIN, HAS THEM A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          AND SO ON OUR END, WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THE POSITION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR ACTIONS ARE GONNA IMPACT THE, THE PROSECUTORS. 
          SO WHATEVER WE HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESUMED TO HAVE. 
          AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO TURN OVER, UM, RECORDS AND INFORMATION, UH, WHEN IT'S REQUESTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          OUR TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. 
          SO WE, UM, DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE PROCESS, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE A LOT MORE COMMUNICATION FROM THE DAS WITH FOLLOWING UP ABOUT, UM, CASES, FOLLOWING UP ABOUT REQUESTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, THE LAB HAD A REPORT, THE LAB HAD, UM, SOMETHING IN THE CASE FILE THAT THE DEFENSE DID NOT OBTAIN. 
          SO WE HAD A REALLY PRODUCTIVE CALL WITH THE DA'S OFFICE YESTERDAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THIS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF WE, IF WE SEE ANY ISSUES, IT WOULD BE PERHAPS MORE REQUESTS, MORE DEMANDS FOR US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TURN OVER RECORDS OR PERHAPS EVEN PROACTIVELY TURN THEM OVER JUST SO THAT THE PROSECUTORS ARE NOT IN THIS POSITION. 
          UH, THE LONG TERM POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO THIS IS THE STATE PORTAL. 
          UH, I SAY LONG TERM BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 2025, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW, HOW WELL THAT WORKS. 
          UH, BUT IDEALLY THAT SYSTEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY PUSH OUT OUR RECORDS ON, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS A DAILY BASIS, SO MAYBE CLOSE OF BUSINESS OR SOMETHING TO HAVE RECORDS AUTOMATICALLY FEED INTO THE SYSTEM, AND THEN BOTH SIDES WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THE FIRST CASE THAT CAME OUT THAT WE'RE SORT OF DEALING THROUGH. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FOR CONTEXT, ALL THREE OF THESE CASES CAME OUT WITHIN ABOUT A WEEK. 
          AND SO IT WAS JUST A LOT TO PROCESS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR HAIR ON FIRE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          OUR NEXT CASE MOVES US OVER INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WHAT CAN WE TESTIFY TO AS ANALYST? UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM OUR LAB NEED TO COME TESTIFY? I'M GONNA KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS ONE QUICKER BECAUSE IT ALL HAS TO BE SEEN IN CONTEXT OF OUR FINAL CASE, WHICH IS THE US SUPREME COURT CASE. 
          BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT ACTUALLY WAS, UM, WORK THAT HFSE DID. 
          IT ACTUALLY WAS AN HFSE ANALYST. 
          AND THE QUESTION WAS ESSENTIALLY, UNDER THE RULES OF EVIDENCE, CAN OUR ANALYSTS TESTIFY, UM, AND OFFER OPINIONS BASED ON OUTSOURCING DATA? AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUTSOURCING IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR OPERATIONAL PLANS, SPECIFICALLY IN FORENSIC BIOLOGY. 
          OTHER SECTIONS USE IT AS WELL, SUCH AS TOXICOLOGY, BUT THIS WAS A DNA CASE AND WE RELY HEAVILY ON OUTSOURCING, AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE UPDATE WITH THE SIX EYE CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND OFTEN IN THOSE CASES, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE, UM, OUTSOURCING LAB COME BACK TO TESTIFY. 
          IF WE DID, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A, A GREAT COST TO US TO HAVE THEM TESTIFY OR MULTIPLE ANALYSTS FROM THEIR LAB TESTIFY LITERALLY ON EVERY SINGLE THING THAT THEY DO. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUTSOURCING IN PREVIOUS CONTEXT, BUT WE USE OUTSOURCING IN A, IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS. 
          SOMETIMES OUTSOURCING LABS DO ALL THE WORK, RIGHT? WE JUST SEND OVER THE EVIDENCE, THEY DO ALL THE RIGHT WORK, THEY DO THE REPORT, THE REPORT COMES BACK TO US AND WE REVIEW IT. 
          OTHER TIMES, WE SEND IT OFF TO THE OUTSOURCING LAB TO DO A PART OF THE WORK, AND THEN WE TAKE THAT DATA, IT COMES BACK TO OUR FOLKS AND THEY FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS. 
          SO ALL OF THAT IS, IS CRUCIAL. 
          AND SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, THE COURT WAS ANALYZING 
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OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE OUTSOURCING LAB'S WORK. 
          AND, UM, FOR CONTEXT, THE DECISION HERE WAS ONLY BASED ON THE RULES OF EVIDENCE, NOT THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT. 
          UH, AND SO UNDER THE RULES OF EVIDENCE, THE COURT SAID, YES, WE CAN TESTIFY USING THE DATA. 
          AND IN THIS SITUATION, IT WAS PROFILE DATA THAT WE USED TO MAKE OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. 
          AND THE STATE WAS COMPLETELY FINE TO SIMPLY BRING IN THE HFSE ANALYST TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT RATHER THAN BRINGING IN THE OUTSOURCING, UM, LAB AS WELL. 
          AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT HOW MUCH DID HFSC NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OUTSOURCING LABS WORK PROCESSES, THE ACTUAL ANALYSTS WHO DID THE WORK. 
          UM, AND IN, IN THIS SITUATION, UM, THAT INFORMATION WE HAD WAS RELATIVELY MINIMAL AS FAR AS THE WITNESS THEY CALLED. 
          SO IF THEY WANTED MORE INFORMATION, THE PROSECUTOR COULD HAVE CALLED ANOTHER WITNESS FROM OUR OFFICE, BUT THEY DID NOT. 
          AND SO THE LAB, UM, THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS OFFERED WAS NOT, UH, IN GREAT DETAIL ABOUT THE OUTSOURCING LABS OF WORK, BUT IT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE RESULTS TO COME IN. 
          AND SO, UH, WE HAD LIKE A DAY OF BEING LIKE, WELL, THIS IS GREAT, WOW. 
          LIKE WE CAN KEEP DOING OUR OUTSOURCING WORK. 
          GOOD JOB TEAM. 
          AND THEN, LIKE A COUPLE DAYS LATER, THE NEXT CASE CAME DOWN AND REALLY CALLED ALL OF THAT INTO QUESTION. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE COURT IN THIS CASE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE SMITH CASE THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT WAS COMING DOWN THE LINE. 
          AND SO THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T TOUCH THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE VERY MUCH. 
          THEY LEFT IT TO THE SUPREME COURT TO, TO OPINE ON. 
          AND SO THAT IS WHAT OUR NEXT CASE IS ABOUT, AND IT'LL KIND OF PUT THIS ONE INTO CONTEXT. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NULL DECISION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IS EVERYBODY STILL WITH ME? DOES EVERYBODY NOT WANT THE LAWYERS TO TALK EVER AGAIN? , I'M WITH YOU. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO NEXT TO THE, THE REALLY BIG CASE THAT HAS CAUSED A LOT OF WAVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, IT'S A SUPREME COURT CASE. 
          AND SO THAT MEANS EVERY LAB, EVERY JURIS JURISDICTION ACROSS THE US WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. 
          IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, KIND OF OPINING ABOUT WHAT THE COURT MAY DO. 
          UH, SO THE REASON THIS CASE MATTERS IS BECAUSE THE COURT ASKED THE QUESTION, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANALYST WHO COMES INTO COURT AND TESTIFIES BASED ON WORK THAT THEY THEMSELVES DID NOT PERFORM, DOES THAT PRESENT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE? AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE IS A SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CROSS-EXAMINE THE WITNESSES AGAINST YOU. 
          SO I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT IN A LOT OF OTHER CONTEXTS FROM TV TO REAL LIFE, WHERE IT'S LIKE, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFRONT THE WITNESSES AGAINST ME, RIGHT? SO, UM, IN THIS CASE, WHICH HAPPENS, I WOULD SAY IN, IN MANY SITUATIONS, THE ANALYSTS WHO ACTUALLY DID THE WORK, LEFT THE LAB, AND FOR UNKNOWN REASONS, THEY WEREN'T COMING BACK. 
          THEY DIDN'T TRY TO GET 'EM BACK. 
          I, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, GUESS AS TO WHY THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. 
          BUT EVERYBODY SEEMED TO AGREE THE ORIGINAL ANALYST WASN'T COMING BACK AND NOBODY WAS TRYING TO GET THEM BACK. 
          AND SO AS A RESULT, THE PROSECUTOR ASKED ANOTHER ANALYST IN THE LAB TO LOOK AT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, AND IT WAS A DRUG CASE, UH, TO LOOK AT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE FORMER EMPLOYEE, UM, AND TO DRAW THEIR OWN OPINIONS AND CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RESULTS THEY DID THAT THEY OFFERED IT, UM, AS TESTIMONY, AND IT CAME IN. 
          WELL, UH, THE DEFENSE CAME BACK AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS A, A CONFRONTATION CLAUSE ISSUE. 
          YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY A SURROGATE ANALYST WHO IS HERE OFFERING THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING IS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE DID, SOME NOTES THAT SOMEONE ELSE WROTE. 
          AND THAT PERSON NEVER CAME TO COURT. 
          THUS, MY CLIENT NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CROSS EXAMINE THE REAL WITNESS WHO WAS OFFERING EVIDENCE AGAINST ME, WHICH IS THE PERSON WHO WAS NOT THERE. 
          UH, AND SO IN, UM, THAT CASE, THE COURT ENDED UP SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, LIKE THE NULL DECISION WE TALKED ABOUT, WHERE FORENSIC ANALYSTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SORT OF TESTIFY UNDER THESE SPECIAL RULES OF EVIDENCE ABOUT DATA THAT THEY CAN USE TO MAKE THEIR OPINIONS. 
          THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT YOU CAN'T NOT GO TO THE NEXT STEP OF ASKING THE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION. 
          SO IN THE NO DECISION, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS GREAT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING IF THE, THE OPINION COULD COME IN UNDER THE RULES OF EVIDENCE, THE SUPREME COURT SAYS, YOU STILL GOTTA ASK THE NEXT QUESTION, IS THERE A CONFRONTATION ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING, UM, UP TO THE JURY? BECAUSE THE JURY IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO REALLY DECIPHER BETWEEN THOSE NUANCES. 
          SO THE COURT MUST ASK THE QUESTION. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THE COURT SAID, UM, WELL, ESSENTIALLY THEY KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THEY SAID, , UH, YOU 
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HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IF, IF THE STATEMENTS ARE BEING OFFERED AS TRUE, WHICH OF COURSE THEY WERE. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE, WHAT THE COURT IS DEEMING TESTIMONIAL OR NON TESTIMONIAL. 
          I'M GOING TO TAP OUT AT THAT LEVEL OF EXPLANATION OF NON TESTIMONIAL AND TESTIMONIAL, BECAUSE IT WILL BE WAY IN THE WEEDS, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR FORUM. 
          BUT THE COURT HAS TO ASK IF THE ORIGINAL STATEMENTS WERE WERE BEING CREATED, THE RECORDS, THE NOTES, IF THEY'RE BEING CREATED FOR THE PURPOSES OF COURT TO BE PRESENTED IN COURT AT A LATER DATE. 
          AND IF THEY WERE, YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THROW THEM UP, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR OWN OPINION, YOU GOTTA BRING BACK THAT FIRST PERSON WHO DID THE UNDERLYING WORK, UM, OR YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK OVER AGAIN, RIGHT? AND SO THE REASON THAT MATTERS IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR PROCESSES, LOOK AT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THIS FRAMEWORK THAT THE COURT HAS TESTIMONIAL VERSUS NON TESTIMONIAL. 
          AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROSECUTORS ARE CALLING THE ANALYST WHO CAN ACTUALLY TESTIFY, UM, TO THE TESTIMONIAL ASPECTS OF THE WORK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO SOME OF THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES WE HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THE ABSTRACT TO TO THE PRACTICAL, WE MAY SEE MORE SUBPOENAS FOR ANALYSTS, RIGHT? IF A, IF A PROSECUTOR SAYS, I DON'T KNOW, TESTIMONIAL VERSUS NON TESTIMONIAL, I DON'T WANNA KNOW IT. 
          I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. 
          OR MAYBE THEIR JUDGE SAYS, I DON'T REALLY WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS, THE SUPREME COURT DIDN'T GIVE ME GREAT GUIDANCE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO BRING IN EVERY WITNESS WHO TOUCHED THE CASE BECAUSE THAT CURES IT, RIGHT? IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT WILL PUT US IN A BIND. 
          UM, THE LAB CANNOT SURVIVE OFF OF EVERY PERSON WHO TOUCHED THE CA, EXCUSE ME, EVERY PERSON WHO TOUCHED THE CASE GOING INTO COURT FOR EVERY SINGLE TRIAL, WE WOULD CEASE TO BE ABLE TO DO WORK. 
          UH, SO WE WILL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR MORE SUBPOENAS FOR ANALYSTS. 
          PERHAPS THEY DON'T CALL ALL 20 PEOPLE, BUT MAYBE IN A TYPICAL CASE, THEY WOULD CALL THREE OR FOUR, AND NOW THEY WANNA UP THAT NUMBER TO 10. 
          THAT STILL HAS A REAL IMPACT ON OUR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'VE PRESENTED DATA ABOUT HOW LONG WE SPEND IN COURT AND WAITING IN COURT TO TESTIFY. 
          UH, WE MAY SEE MORE REQUESTS FOR RETESTING. 
          SO AGAIN, AS I I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, YOU CAN BRING IN THE PERSON WHO DID THE WORK THAT, THAT CURES ALL CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES. 
          WELL, ONE WAY TO GET AROUND PEOPLE WHO'VE LEFT THE LAB OR MAYBE AN OUTSOURCING LAB IS TO SAY, HEY, HFSE JUST REDO THE WORK FOR US, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ANALYST IS THERE AND THEY CAN COME TO TESTIFY IN TWO, THREE MONTHS, AGAIN, TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          AND, UM, MOST OF OUR SECTIONS ISN'T, IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM, AND IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY SHUT DOWN SOME OF OUR, OUR FOLKS. 
          UM, AND SEIZE DRUGS IS NOT AN ISSUE. 
          THEY CAN RETEST AND THEY RETEST OFTEN. 
          AGAIN, F BIO A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          UM, ALSO IN SECTIONS LIKE TOXICOLOGY, IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR A RETEST ON A FREQUENT BASIS, ESPECIALLY FOR OLDER CASES, THEY'RE GONNA BE CONCERNS, UH, FROM THE SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, ARE YOU GONNA GET THE SAME CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY? AND THAT'S DR. 
          STOUT'S SPACE TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT STABILITY OF, OF SAMPLES AND DRUGS. 
          UM, LAWYER DON'T DO IT JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS JUST BESIDES STAFFING. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS MONITOR IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA WAIT AND SEE, UH, ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALIGNED ON SOME OF THE APPROACHES TO MANAGING THROUGH THIS. 
          A LOT OF THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, A LOT OF THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE WON'T BE ANSWERED UNTIL OUR JUDGES ACTUALLY START TAKING UP THIS QUESTION AND RULING. 
          SO, IF WE HAVE JUDGES WHO ARE AGAIN, SAYING, WE BELIEVE THIS US SUPREME COURT DECISION REQUIRES ALL OF YOUR ANALYSTS TO COME IN, OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR ANALYSTS TO COME IN, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, RESPOND TO THAT AND FIND A WAY TO ABSORB THAT THAT HIT. 
          IF WE HAVE JUDGES WHO ARE GONNA BE MORE NUANCED ABOUT THAT QUESTION, THEN PERHAPS WE DON'T HAVE, UH, A LARGE INCREASE IN STAFF GOING TO TESTIFY, BUT MAYBE WE ARE MORE INVOLVED IN PRETRIAL HEARINGS AND, YOU KNOW, HELPING PROSECUTORS AND THE COURTS UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT WE DO AND HOW WE FORM OUR OPINION. 
          SO, UH, ULTIMATELY IT'S A BIG UNKNOWN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT AGAIN, THE ENTIRE FORENSIC COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE UP IN ARMS BECAUSE WE, WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF EVERYTHING'S GONNA BLOW UP. 
          AND, AND A LOT OF OUR PROCESSES ARE CALLED INTO QUESTION AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, RETESTING LIKE CRAZY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TRACKING DOWN FORMER WITNESSES, FORMER EMPLOYEES TO BRING THEM IN TO KIND OF MITIGATE THIS, OR, 
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UM, IS IT SOMETHING WHERE THE COURTS ARE A BIT MORE NUANCED AND, AND THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT ARE IMPACTED, BUT ON THE WHOLE, A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE STAYS THE SAME. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL MONITOR IT, UH, FROM ALL SIDES. 
          AND IF WE SEE A DRASTIC CHANGE, WE'LL CERTAINLY REPORT THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL WORK WITH AMY, HER TEAM, OUR MANAGERS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS THAT MAY NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST HOLDING STEADY, UM, GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESSES AND RECORDS TO KIND OF IDENTIFY WHAT WE THINK IS TESTIMONIAL VERSUS NON TESTIMONIAL, AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PROSECUTORS TO HELP EXPLAIN IT TO THEM SO THEY CAN ARTICULATE THAT, UM, IN COURT, AND THEN WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT OUR JUDGES END UP UP DOING. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? YES, DIRECTOR COHEN NOT BEING A LAWYER AND GETTING MOST OF MY EDUCATION ON LEGAL ISSUES FROM LAW AND ORDER , UM, I'M JUST, I I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED SUBPOENA AND YOU SAID THAT, LET, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. 
          IF IT, IN THE CASE WHERE YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING THAT ONE OF THE STAFFERS LEFT AND WEREN'T INTERESTED IN GETTING HIM BACK, IF IT WAS ONLY THAT STAFFER, INSTEAD OF OPENING UP THE DOOR TO OTHER STAFFERS FOR THAT CASE, CAN, CAN YOU NOT SUBPOENA THAT ONE STAFFER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO WE, UM, LIKE EVERY LAB, WE HAVE TURNOVER. 
          AND SO WE'VE HAD TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN A PERSON LEAVES, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T JUST REWORK A THOUSAND, 2000 CASES. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, NOTICES THAT GO TO THOSE EMPLOYEES BEFORE THEY LEAVE, THAT EXPLAINS, HEY, GOOD LUCK TO YOU IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS, BUT YOU DID WORK IN A CRIMINAL SETTING AND YOU CAN STILL BE SUBJECT TO A SUBPOENA TO COME TESTIFY. 
          AND A SUBPOENA DOES NOT CARE WHERE YOU WORK, OR IF YOU'RE CIVILIAN OR, OR WORK FOR HFSC. 
          IT'S STILL VALID IF IT'S SERVED. 
          AND SO YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF AND ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SUBPOENAS, AND YOU WILL BE EXPECTED TO COME BACK AND TESTIFY IF THAT'S BEEN PROPERLY SERVED. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, UM, SOME FOLKS ARE IN DIFFERENT STATES NOW, DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, AND SO THAT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE PROSECUTORS TO ACTUALLY SERVE ONE THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE. 
          AND THEN IF THEY REALLY HAD TO ATTACH THEM AND PHYSICALLY BRING THEM BACK, RIGHT? THAT'S SORT OF, UH, A REALLY HIGH, UM, BAR. 
          AND THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA WANNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, UH, FOR ANY ONE PARTICULAR CASE. 
          UM, BUT WE DO WORK WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, UH, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN TO HELP THEM GET IN CONTACT WITH OTHER, UM, FORMER EMPLOYEES. 
          WE, UM, FIELD QUESTIONS FROM THEM. 
          IN FACT, THIS MORNING AS I WAS GETTING READY, I HAD AN EMAIL FROM, UM, A FORMER EMPLOYEE ABOUT A SUBPOENA SAYING, HEY, I GOT THIS SUBPOENA, WHAT SHOULD I DO? UM, WE, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE AGAIN, WE, WE TALKED TO THE DAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO INCREASE THEIR EFFORTS TO DO IT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ON THEM TO GO GET THEIR WITNESS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HELP. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK, UH, IN, IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE DA'S ROLE IN SECURING ANY NECESSARY WITNESSES. 
          WE ALSO PROVIDE, UM, OUR FORM FORMER EMPLOYEES WITH RECORDS THAT THEY NEED TO REVIEW. 
          WE, UM, GIVE THE DA'S INFORMATION TO SAY, HEY, IF THIS PERSON FOR SOME REASON IS NO LONGER COMPETENT IN THE FIELD, RIGHT? YOU CAN CALL THEM FOR THE FACTS ABOUT THE CASE, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE SCIENCE AND GIVE MORE CONTEXT TO THAT PIECE OF IT IF THEY'RE NO LONGER COMPETENT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, YOU KNOW, FORENSIC BIOLOGIST, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALWAYS HAD TO WORK ON. 
          UM, AND WE DO ENCOURAGE STRONGLY FOR THE DAS TO, TO GO AND GET THEIR WITNESS, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY A BALANCE. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. 
          I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, AND THAT IS, IN THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, IS THERE A PROVISION WHERE, AS TERMS OF THE EMPLOYMENT THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT SERVICE IF THEY ARE NO LONGER, UM, UH, EMPLOYED BY THE, UH, BY THE CENTER? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE ALL AT WILL EMPLOYEES AND NONE OF US HAVE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS EXCEPT FOR DR. STOUT. 
          SO, UM, THE BEST WE DO IS IN THE HIRING PROCESS. 
          WHEN THEY'RE ONBOARDED, AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THIS OBLIGATION TO COME BACK AFTER YOU'VE LEFT. 
          IT'S THE DUTY OF A PUBLIC SERVANT. 
          IF, IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN YOUR MIND FRAME, MAYBE PUBLIC SERVICE IN THIS CONTEXT IS NOT FOR YOU, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S ENDURING. 
          WE HAVE MURDER CASES THAT GET TRIED SEVERAL YEARS LATER AND MAYBE IT COMES BACK ON POST-CONVICTION, WR SEVERAL YEARS LATER. 
          WE DO EXPECT YOU TO COME BACK. 
          SO WE, WE TELL 'EM IN THE FRONT END, AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, ON THE WAY OUT, WE GIVE 'EM A FORM THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGED AND, AND DOCUMENTED. 
          BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF SOMEBODY RUNS OFF TO, YOU KNOW, CANADA OR NEW YORK AND THEY'RE 
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AVOIDING SERVICE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT ANY OF US CAN DO ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHO PAYS EXPENSES FOR TRANSPORTATION AND GETTING THEM BACK TO TESTIFY? GREAT QUESTION. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO THAT'S ALWAYS A CONVERSATION OF, OF DEBATE ABOUT WHO FITS THE BILL. 
          UH, THE DA'S OFFICE DOES HAVE FUNDING OR A BUDGET SOMEWHERE TO SECURE WITNESSES AND BRING THEM IN. 
          UM, THEY'VE DONE THAT IN CERTAIN CASES. 
          WHEN I WAS A PROSECUTOR, I WENT UP THE CHAINS TO GET APPROVAL TO FLY IN WITNESSES IN CERTAIN CASES AS WELL. 
          UM, HOWEVER, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THEIR BUDGET COULD NOT SUSTAIN, YOU KNOW, A HEAVY REGULAR, YOU KNOW, FLOW OF, OF BRINGING IN WITNESSES FROM OUTTA STATE AND PAYING FOR HOTELS AND FLIGHTS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, WE DON'T PAY FOR FORMER WITNESSES, FORMER EMPLOYEES TO COME, COME BACK. 
          UM, WE, WE, WE DON'T, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO WE, AGAIN, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS AT THE DA'S OFFICE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN IS IT TRULY NECESSARY, UM, AND, AND HOW DO WE TRY TO HELP MANAGE THROUGH THAT? THANK YOU. 
          SO I'D ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THAT, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE DONE CASE WORK IN THE PAST. 
          MY CURRENT RECORD IS 11 YEARS AFTER A CASE I HAD WORKED. 
          I GOT A SUBPOENA FOR, UM, AND TWO, YOU KNOW, I WAS TWO EMPLOYERS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, FROM THAT ONE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LABORATORIES HAVE WRESTLED WITH FOREVER. 
          UM, ANOTHER COST THAT AQUILA DIDN'T MENTION IN THERE TO US OUT OF THIS IS WHEN WE HAVE EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY WORKING FOR US THAT GETS SUBPOENAS TO PAST WORK, IS BASICALLY SUPPORTING THE FACT THAT THEY NEED TO GO DO THAT. 
          UH, WE VIEW IT AS AN OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THEY NEED TO GO TESTIFY FOR THEIR OLD CASE. 
          WE'RE NOT PAYING THE TRAVEL EXPENSES, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT PERSON OUT. 
          AND BASICALLY THE LOST COST THERE ASSOCIATED WITH, WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSON HERE WORKING FOR US WHILE THEY'RE THERE TESTIFYING. 
          UM, THE TWO DISCIPLINES THAT THIS HAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO LAND ON THE MOST IS DNA AND TOXICOLOGY. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS, THOSE TWO DISCIPLINES, IN ORDER TO TRY AND GAIN PRODUCTION EFFICIENCIES AND COST EFFICIENCIES, HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE BATCH ORIENTED IN HOW THEY'RE PROCESSED AND MORE THAT ASSEMBLY LINE KIND OF PROCESS. 
          SO NOW I'VE GOT 10, 12 PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESSING OF IT, EACH ONE OF THEM DOING INDIVIDUAL STEPS. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS NOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY OUT OF THOSE 10 PEOPLE THAT LEAVES AND COULDN'T TESTIFY ABOUT THAT? WELL, IT'S ALWAYS A MIXED BAG OF THOSE CASES AND ATTORNEYS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO SUBPOENA EVERYBODY THAT TOUCHED SOMETHING. 
          IT'S REALLY ALMOST CASE BY CASE. 
          UH, WE HAD ONE AND THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE CONCERN NOW WHETHER THIS IS REALLY GONNA COME OUT TO BE THE CASE WE'VE YET TO SEE. 
          BUT THE CONCERN IS AN EXAMPLE. 
          WE HAD A TOXICOLOGY CASE IN A INTOX MANSLAUGHTER. 
          SO SERIOUS CHARGES, UH, IT WAS AN OUTSOURCED CASE FOR THE DRUG ANALYSIS. 
          AND THE A DA WANTED TO SUBPOENA 12 OF THE ANALYSTS FROM NMS. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF TRAVEL EXPENSE, THAT'S A LOT OF TRAVEL SUPPORT. 
          IT'S ALSO IN OUR CONTRACT, THREE GRAND A DAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO COME DO THAT EXPERT TESTIMONY. 
          SO 12 PEOPLE TIMES AT LEAST TWO DAYS. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING WITH TRAVEL EXPENSES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST FOR THE TESTIMONY. 
          NOBODY CAN AFFORD THAT IN ANYBODY'S BUDGET FOR, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF ANY CASE, EVEN A SERIOUS INTOX MANSLAUGHTER CASE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE DOOMSDAY CONCERN THAT EVERYBODY HAS WITH THIS. 
          AND THAT EVERYBODY'S GOTTA WRESTLE WITH, REALLY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? HOW DO WE ACTUALLY EFFECTIVELY DO THIS? UM, 'CAUSE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED CAN GET REALLY PROHIBITIVE. 
          BUT YOU GOTTA BALANCE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT HONESTLY, THE COURT'S NOT WRONG ABOUT THIS. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO CONFRONT THE PERSON WHO DID THIS WORK. 
          HOW DO YOU BALANCE THOSE RISKS? UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY'S GOT THE ANSWER TO IT YET. 
          UM, OTHER THAN, YEAH, STUFF PROBABLY GETS MORE EXPENSIVE WITH THIS. 
          IT GETS MORE TIME CONSUMING. 
          HOW MUCH? SO I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN SAY IT YET. 
          SO 
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WHAT'S THE CURRENT THINKING ABOUT VIRTUAL? NO VIRTUAL TESTIMONY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS BEEN WRESTLED WITH FOR YEARS. 
          UH, IRONICALLY, KENTUCKY STATE POLICE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, EARLY ADOPTERS. 
          YOU DON'T THINK OF KENTUCKY BEING AN EARLY ADOPTER OF MUCH OF ANYTHING. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS BACK WHO PROBABLY IN THE NINETIES, UH, THAT THEY HAD SET UP, UM, A LITTLE OFFICE ROOM AT THE STATE LAB TO DO REMOTE TESTIMONY AND ALL OF THESE LITTLE RURAL, UH, COUNTIES THAT THEY HAD TO SUPPORT THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO GET TO 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THE ROADS ARE GREAT. 
          UM, AND THEY WERE FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL AT IT AND IT SEEMED TO WORK PRETTY WELL. 
          BUT IT HAS BEEN A REALLY MIXED BAG AROUND THE COUNTRY OF IS VIRTUAL TESTIMONY REALLY, UH, AN APPROPRIATE WAY OF ADDRESSING THE RIGHT TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER. 
          AND I THINK EVEN POST PANDEMIC, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND AN AWFUL LOT OF DISCUSSION OF, IS SOMEBODY ON THE SCREEN LIKE THAT GIVING A ACCURATE, AND THAT YOU AREN'T INTRODUCING A VARIETY OF UNINTENDED BIASES BECAUSE OF THE PRESENTATION ON THE FLAT SCREEN AND THEY CAN'T SEE ALL OF THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND THINGS LIKE, THESE ARE THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU HEAR. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS FLORIDA HAD ACTUALLY PASSED SOMETHING BACK 20 YEARS AGO OR SO, UH, DISALLOWING REMOTE TESTIMONY. 
          SO IT'S REALLY MIXED. 
          UM, TWO SESSIONS AGO, UH, IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, WE GOT THROUGH A BILL, DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS ON IT, TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR JUSTIFYING USE OF REMOTE TESTIMONY. 
          BUT STRATEGICALLY, AND AGAIN, I CAN'T FAULT DEFENSE FOR ARGUING AGAINST IT, THEY HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CONFRONT THEIR ACCUSER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, STRATEGICALLY, THIS IS RARELY MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE FOR DEFENSE TO COOPERATE WITH IT. 
          AND THEY NEED TO BE COOPERATING AND ACKNOWLEDGED DOING IT. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS YOU WOULD THINK A A MIDDLE GROUND MIGHT BE. 
          PETER, THERE'S A, THE PROVISION TO ALLOW, IN CERTAIN CASES, DEPOSITIONS, UM, AND IT'S NOT USED VERY OFTEN, BUT IT MAY BE A MIDDLE GROUND IN THAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDES CAN TAKE THE DEPOSITION AND IT COULD BE VIDEOED AND THEN PLAYED AT COURT. 
          NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS, UH, SUFFICIENT ANSWER OR, OR, OR SOLUTION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          YEAH, DEPOSITIONS. 
          SO I'VE DONE, I'VE IN, WHEN I WORKED IN COMMERCIAL LABORATORIES, UM, I DID MORE ON THE CIVIL SIDE OF THINGS. 
          YOU SEE DEPOSITIONS IN CIVIL, IT JUST DON'T SEE DEPOSITIONS IN CRIMINAL. 
          IT, IT'S RARELY USED IN CRIMINAL. 
          AND I THINK LARGELY THAT'S JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, OUR CRIMINAL SYSTEM IS YOU, YOU'VE HEARD ME SO MANY TIMES. 
          I KNOW EVERYBODY ROLLS THEIR EYES. 
          I MEAN, LABORATORIES ARE WILDLY UNDERFUNDED, BUT THE ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS WILDLY UNDERFUNDED. 
          NOBODY HAS THE FUNDING TO SUPPORT ACTUALLY DOING DEPOSITIONS ROUTINELY. 
          IT HAPPENS IN CIVIL COURT BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL PROCEED TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DR. STOUT. 
          THANK YOU MS. MANZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          ME AGAIN HERE. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, SO I HAVE A LITTLE PREAMBLE I THINK TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 
          YES. 
          UH, MEMBERS, IN ADDITION TO DR. 
          STOUT'S REPORT, HE WILL ALSO PRESENT HIS CORPORATE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE CURRENT, UH, REVIEW PERIOD, WHICH NOW COINCIDES WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S FISCAL YEAR. 
          I THINK THAT WAS A, A GOOD MOVE. 
          UH, WE'RE AT THE POINT IN OUR ANNUAL BOARD SCHEDULE WHERE WE LOOK AT THE COMPANY'S PROGRESS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND SET GOALS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. 
          TODAY, DR. STOUT WILL PRESENT HIS PROPOSED CORPORATE PRIORITIES AND GOALS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR 2025. 
          AT THE CONCLUSION OF HIS PRESIDENT, UH, PRESENTATION WILL VO VOTE TO ACCEPT THOSE GOALS OR MODIFY THEM IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE ACTION. 
          THE APPROVED GOALS WILL BECOME PART OF DR. 
          STOUT'S EVALUATION FOR 2025, AND OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS WILL BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE COMPANY'S PERFORMANCE FOR THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR 2024. 
          SO THAT INFORMATION WILL NOT BE PRESENTED IN MUCH DETAIL TODAY. 
          DR. 
          STAT TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT, 
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SO I PUT IN HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE NATURAL HISTORY OF HOW OUR STAFF EVALUATION PROCESS HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN ABOUT A 10 YEAR EVOLUTION OF THIS. 
          SO WHEN HFSE STARTED BACK IN 2014, WE HAD A LITERAL HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES. 
          I THINK IN 2014. 
          THERE WERE THREE ACTUAL EMPLOYEES OF THE ORGANIZATION IN 2014. 
          UM, DAN CARESS AND LETTY, I THINK WERE THE THREE EMPLOYEES AT THAT POINT. 
          SO THE VERY NATURALLY, WE BASICALLY DID THE EVALUATION CYCLE ON THEIR HIRING ANNIVERSARY, WORKED GREAT FOR A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, ABOUT 2018, IT WAS BECOMING REALLY CLEAR THAT THAT WAS BECOMING REALLY UNWIELDY, TRYING TO MANAGE EVERYBODY'S ANNIVERSARY DATES OF WHEN WE WERE DOING EVALUATIONS. 
          BASICALLY, WE WERE ALWAYS IN EVALUATION MODE. 
          SO WE THEN MOVED TO COORDINATE EVERYBODY ONTO THE SAME ANNUAL CYCLE, AND WE COORDINATED THAT WITH THE CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AT THAT POINT, ABOUT 2022, WE REALIZED THAT WHILE THE ANNUAL CYCLING WAS WORKING PRETTY WELL, IT OBLIGATED US TO SOME DUPLICATE WORK BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF END OF FISCAL YEAR REPORTING THAT KIND OF USES A LOT OF THE SAME DATA THAT WE'VE GOT IN HR MANAGEMENT. 
          AND IT ALSO PUT BASICALLY EVERYBODY DOING ANNUAL EVALS RIGHT, DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, WHICH WAS, WHICH ALSO MADE IT DIFFICULT. 
          SO WE SHIFTED THEN TO COORDINATE EVERYBODY WITH THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          BUT CAN IMAGINE EVERY TIME WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE 200 PEOPLE ON A SCHEDULE LIKE THAT, IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR TO SHIFT ALL THE SCHEDULES AND GET A, EVERYBODY COORDINATED ON THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT ARE CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THIS CYCLE. 
          SO WE WILL FINISH OUT THIS CYCLE STILL USING OUR CLASSIC KINDA MANUAL SYSTEM THAT WE'VE USED FOR 10 YEARS. 
          THIS WAS ONE THAT CARESS DESIGNED FOR US, HAS WORKED MARVELOUSLY FOR US FOR 10 YEARS. 
          I THINK ALL OF US HAVE. 
          AND CARESSED HERSELF WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S CUMBERSOME. 
          UM, IT'S VERY MANUAL. 
          UH, IT OBLIGES HR TO AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK. 
          IT'S VERY LITTLE AUTOMATION WITHIN IT. 
          UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TY DID WHEN SHE CAME IN, UH, WAS LOOK TO OUR VENDOR WHO PROVIDES OUR HR SYSTEM. 
          AND THERE'S LOTS OF THESE SYSTEMS OUT THERE. 
          THE ONE THAT WE USE IS CALLED PAYLOCITY, AND THEY HAVE A PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT MODULE WITHIN THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE ADDED THAT INTO OUR DEPLOYMENT. 
          AND THIS YEAR WE ARE WORKING TO SHIFT ALL OF THE PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT INTO THE PAYLOCITY MODULE. 
          THIS WILL MAKE FOR A LOT MORE AUTOMATION OF ANNUAL EVAL CYCLES. 
          AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING IS SETTING UP THAT, BUT WE WILL FINISH OUT THIS EVALUATION CYCLE IN THE CLASSIC SYSTEM, AND WE'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING IN FOR THE NEW SYSTEM. 
          SO THESE GOALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WILL GO INTO THE SYSTEM IN A MUCH MORE AUTOMATED FASHION AND BE EVALUATED IN A MUCH MORE AUTOMATED FASHION. 
          NOW, WE ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, UH, AFTER A, A FAIR BIT OF INTERNAL WORK AND EVALUATION OF HOW WE WANTED TO GO ABOUT EVALUATING, SHIFTED TO THE SYSTEM OF, WE'VE GOT CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS, SECTION LEVEL GOALS, AND INDIVIDUAL LEVEL GOALS. 
          THE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS, THEY, THEY, THEY ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENT WEIGHTS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU SIT IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE SYSTEM. 
          SO FOR AMY AND I, THE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS ARE THE MAJORITY OF WHAT OUR EVALUATION IS. 
          KINDA MAKES SENSE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL. 
          WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THOSE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS IN A GREATER PERCENTAGE THAN OTHER THINGS. 
          SECTION LEVEL GOALS, UM, HAVE MUCH MORE WEIGHT FOR THE MANAGERS OF THOSE SECTIONS. 
          AND THEY HAVE LESS WEIGHT FOR THE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS. 
          THEY HAVE LESS CONTROL OVER THE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS. 
          AND FOR EMPLOYEES, THE INDIVIDUAL GOALS HAVE THE LARGEST WEIGHT FOR THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE LATTER OF THE VARIOUS WEIGHTING OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE IDEA IS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, EVEN IN THE VERY DIVERSE DISCIPLINES, WHAT THEY DO STILL HAS AN IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE CORPORATION. 
          THEY'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER. 
          BUT YEAH, THERE'S REAL DIVERSITY AND WHAT SEIZES DRUGS IS DOING DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN MOVE PEOPLE OUTTA SEIZE DRUGS TO GO HELP IN FIREARMS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SEPARATION OF THOSE THINGS, HOW DO WE REFLECT FAIRLY EVALUATING PEOPLE ON ALL OF THOSE. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          SO THE GOALS THAT WE'VE GOT THIS YEAR AREN'T JUST TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. 
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UM, THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL FOR US. 
          WE, UH, THE, THE STRUCTURE OF INCENTIVIZATION SEEMS TO BE GETTING PEOPLE WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO. 
          SO IT, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. 
          SO THE CORPORATE LEVEL GOALS THIS YEAR, WE'VE GOT THE ONE AGAIN AROUND VOLUNTARY TURNOVER RATES. 
          UH, THAT RATE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW THAN WHAT WE HAD THIS LAST YEAR. 
          SO IT'S 11 TO 13%. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN MAKING SOME PROGRESS. 
          I, I THINK THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AT, BUT JUST ALSO MARKET CONDITIONS. 
          UM, PEOPLE ARE MOVING AROUND A LITTLE BIT LESS. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RELENTING SOME THE, THE TURNOVER RATE. 
          SO THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE OVER THIS NEXT YEAR IS SOMETHING A THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER, UM, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW. 
          THEN WE'VE GOT A SIMILAR STRUCTURE TO THE PRODUCTION LEVEL GOALS. 
          EACH OF THE SECTIONS IN THE 14 THAT ARE THERE IS, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL OF THE TECHNICAL SECTIONS, THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD CALL FIREARMS AND LATENT PRINTS AND THOSE, AND IT, AND HR AND FINANCE ARE ALL IN THAT. 
          SO THERE'S BASICALLY 14 BUSINESS UNITS. 
          EVERYBODY'S IN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER. 
          UH, AND THEN THE EVALUATION STRUCTURE OF THAT, THEY, THEY CREATE THEIR GOALS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THEIR SECTION. 
          THEY DO THAT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SENIOR TEAM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T JUST GET TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN GOAL WITHOUT SOMEBODY LOOKING AT IT GOING, EH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, THE OVERALL EVALUATION IS HOW MANY OF THE SECTIONS ACTUALLY MEET THEIR GOALS ACROSS THE YEAR. 
          SO YEAH, A C OR LESS, WE GET LESS THAN A C. 
          UM, I CAN IMAGINE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ME WILL BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND I WILL BE PACKING MY BOXES IF WE GET LESS THAN A C. 
          UH, BUT IT RANGES FROM HOW MANY OF THE SECTIONS MAKE. 
          THERE ARE THINGS IN AN, IN AN A PLUS FOR THE ORGANIZATION WOULD BE IF EVERYBODY MEETS ALL OF THEIR GOALS. 
          UM, THE, THE A THROUGH B STRUCTURE IS A SHIFT SOME TO FIT WHAT, UM, THE PAYLOCITY STRUCTURE IS. 
          AND THIS IS ALSO I THINK GIVING TY THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATION ABOUT HOW PHILOSOPHICALLY TO LOOK AT, UM, THESE, THESE EVALUATION POINTS. 
          WE HAVE A, EH, FRANKLY OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE ORGANIZATION, THEY ARE HIGHLY DRIVEN. 
          IT IS AS MUCH OF A CHALLENGE IN THE ORGANIZATION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS. 
          WE OFTEN HAVE A CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM EATING THEMSELVES ALIVE TO MAKE THE PERFECT SCORE. 
          UH, SO SOME OF THIS IS ALSO TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A SUSTAINABLE MOTIVATION AND NOT SEEKING PERFECTION WHEN WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED PERFECTION IS ALSO SOME OF THE SHIFT AWAY FROM THE ONE THROUGH FIVE SCORING TO THIS LETTER SCORING STRUCTURE. 
          THE QUALITY GOAL, VERY SIMILAR IN THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT TO THE PRODUCTION GOAL. 
          BUT YOU SEE, I MEAN THIS, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO WHITE TRYING TO ESTABLISH. 
          WE'VE GOT PRODUCTION AND QUALITY ARE BASICALLY AT LEAST EQUALLY WEIGHTED, IF NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LEAN TOWARDS THE QUALITY END OF THINGS. 
          BUT AS I HAVE SAID MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES, IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          WRONG ANSWER ON TIME IS DEVASTATING. 
          THE RIGHT ANSWER TOO LATE TO MATTER TO ANYBODY IS ALSO DEVASTATING. 
          WE NEED THEM BOTH. 
          UH, AND THEN HOW DO WE ALSO STRUCTURE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO WORK AT HFSC? THEY SUSTAINABLY WORK AT HFSC IN THOSE MANAGEMENT THINGS. 
          SO THE QUALITY GOAL'S VERY SIMILAR. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE ON THERE THAT WE FOUND A PRETTY USEFUL TOOL, AND IT'S USEFUL TO CONTINUE TO INCENTIVIZE THIS IS THE ONE-ON-ONE, UH, MANAGEMENT OF MANAGERS AND SUPERVISORS MEETING WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. 
          WE, WE USUALLY GO WAY, WAY ABOVE THIS GOAL BECAUSE THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF INTERACTING AND DOING A GOOD MANAGEMENT JOB WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES, BUT TRYING TO REFLECT THAT IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S THE GOAL STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE POSING FOR THIS YEAR FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ABOUT THIS STUFF THAT'S EASY, DR. STONE, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S WHAT IVE GOT FOR IT. 
          SO I THINK, UH, MY ASK IS THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER TO APPROVE THOSE CORPORATE GOALS FOR US FOR THIS NEXT EVALUATION YEAR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WOULD YOU UNMUTE YOUR, UH, MICROPHONES, PLEASE? I MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          AND 
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A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          I DIDN'T SEE WHO SECONDED. 
          THANK YOU DR. 
          VA. 
          DOCTOR, I JUST, UM, I, I JUST, ARE YOU DOCTOR? I JUST PROMOTED YOU TO WHAT? . 
          . 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE MOTION PASS. 
          OH, THE, UH, NOW WE'LL DO THE, UH, THE UH, FULL VOTE BY VERBALLY ALL WHO ARE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES, UH, UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, OUR BUDGET DIRECTORS. 
          DR. DAVID. 
          I AM GIVING EVERYBODY DOCTOR TODAY, GOSH, I LOVE BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. 
          UH, MR. DAVID LEACH WILL PRESENT TWO VOTING ITEMS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. 
          ONE TO RECONCILE THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET AND ONE TO ADJUST THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. 
          ALIGNING WITH THE FUNDING THE CITY OF, UH, HOUSTON, THE COUNCIL RECENTLY APPROVED. 
          BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH MR. LEACH'S PRESENTATION, WE DO NEED TO POSTPONE ONE PORTION OF THE 2024 YEAR END REVIEW. 
          MR. LEACH HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PROCEED WITH THAT PORTION AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WHEN WE HAVE A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE OF FINANCES. 
          TO THAT END, UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE 2024 YEAR END REVIEW TO ALIGN WITH THE NEXT, UH, REGULAR BOARD MEETING AND THEN ALSO A SECOND MAY I HAVE A MOTION MOVE? THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR COHEN. 
          A SECOND. 
          I'M NOT A DOCTOR. 
          . 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          I WILL GIVE YOU DOCTOR ALSO . 
          AND, UH, MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR VASQUEZ. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UNMUTE YOUR MICS, PLEASE. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE, UM, A VOICE. 
          UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY, MR. LEACH, ARE YOU READY TO, UH, GIVE US OUR PRESENTATION? OKAY. 
          I HAVE THE DAVID LEACH, CFO FOR HFFC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THE, UH, HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 
          UH, ONE OF THE BAD THINGS ABOUT BEING AN ACCOUNTANT IS YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE PAST. 
          'CAUSE WE WAIT FOR THE RESULTS TO GET IN AND THEN WE SUMMARIZE 'EM, RIGHT? AND OPERATIONS USUALLY IS WORKING ON THE FUTURE. 
          WE KIND OF LIVE IN THE PAST, SO OUR YEAR END IS JUNE. 
          I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESULTS YET TO GIVE YOU A, A GOOD PICTURE OF THE YEAR. 
          AND HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE MORE BOARD MEMBERS AND BE ABLE TO, UM, GET THEM UP TO SPEED ON THE FINANCES, GET THEM CAUGHT UP SOMEWHAT WITH YOU GUYS. 
          UH, FIRST THING ON THIS REPORT, UH, THIS WEEK, UH, FOR ME WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN TYPICAL WEEKS. 
          LIKE FOR YOU ALSO NOT HAVING POWER INTERNET OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I MADE A MISTAKE ON THE LAST PAGE. 
          I REPLACED IT. 
          SO THE LAST PAGE OF THIS, UH, IT IS REPLACED IN YOUR, IN YOUR BOOK, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SENT OUT. 
          I JUST MISSED A NUMBER ON THERE. 
          SO, UH, I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU. 
          BUT THE, THE LAST PAGE, UH, WELL, I, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. 
          SO, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE DID THIS, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          IT'S ALREADY GONE, RIGHT? IT, THE YEAR ENDED JUNE 30TH. 
          BUT BY OUR RULES, THE BOARD HAS TO APPROVE EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM THAT WE DON'T OVERSPEND ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM. 
          SO WHEN I PREPARE THE BUDGET AND YOU GUYS VOTE ON IT, I GIVE YOU MY BEST GUESS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM. 
          WE ALWAYS STAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE NOT GONNA OVERSPEND. 
          'CAUSE THE BANK, YOU KNOW, BOUNCES, CHECKS, BOUNCE. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. 
          THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, YOU KNOW THAT I COME BACK TO YOU WHEN I HAVE A BETTER LOOK, FEEL FOR WHERE EVERYTHING'S GONNA FALL OUT. 
          AND I ASK YOU TO MOVE THINGS AROUND. 
          WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT DOES NOT CHANGE. 
          EVERYWHERE THERE'S A POSITIVE, THERE'S AN EQUAL NEGATIVE. 
          OKAY? SO I'M ASKING YOU TO APPROVE REALIGNMENT BY LINE ITEM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET. 
          UH, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A BUNCH OF GRANT MONEY. 
          AND THIS YEAR, UH, ACTUALLY THIS YEAR WE GOT ALMOST WITH $3 MILLION OF FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, WHICH IS A NEW HIGH. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT HELPS US OUT A LOT. 
          BUT WE ALSO RECEIVED AROUND $2 MILLION IN ARPA MONEY. 
          OKAY? SO WHEN WE, WHEN I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, THAT'S JUST A LUMP SUM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING TO SPEND THAT. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE YEAR'S OVER, I KNOW WHERE THE LINE ITEMS, WHERE THOSE DOLLARS WENT. 
          SO I SHOW YOU THAT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE APPROVED BUDGET. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU APPROVED OVER A YEAR AGO, RIGHT? THAT'S A STANDING APPROVED BUDGET. 
          THE NEXT COLUMN IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY SPENT ABOUT $3 MILLION IN GRANT MONEY. 
          SO THAT'S, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THIS $3 MILLION 
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WAS SPENT BY LINE ITEM IN OUR P AND L, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS SPENT. 
          THE FOLLOWING PAGES, THE NEXT COLUMN IS THE SAME THING, $2.2 MILLION OF ARPA MONEY. 
          THIS IS WHERE THAT ARPA MONEY WAS SPENT BY LINE ITEM. 
          AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN IS WHERE I NEED TO MOVE THINGS AROUND SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERSPENT ON ANY SINGLE LINE ITEM. 
          AND THEN WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE ON IS THE COLUMN IN YELLOW, WHICH IS THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET. 
          I'M JUST CALLING IT VERSION TWO BECAUSE IT NEEDS YOUR VOTE TO APPROVE IT. 
          THEN WE PUT THAT AWAY. 
          EVERYTHING'S, YOU KNOW, NICE AND TIDY. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE AN APPROVED BUDGET WHERE MY ACTUAL NUMBERS DON'T OVERSPEND ON ANY LINE ITEM. 
          OKAY? THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TRUST ME, BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, NOR SHOULD YOU. 
          UM, THE WAY THAT YOU KNOW THAT IN TOTAL ON THIS, THAT IT'S A NET ZEROS, IF YOU GO TO THAT LAST PAGE UNDER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, THE BOX IN GREEN IS ZERO. 
          THAT MEANS I JUST MOVED THINGS AROUND. 
          I DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING OR TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE BUDGET THAT'S STANDING. 
          SO I AM WILLING, IN THE PAST, YOU HAVEN'T WANTED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT I AM WILLING TO DISCUSS IN ANY LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU WANT TO ABOUT WHAT, WHERE WE SPENT GRANT MONEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SPENT GRANT MONEY ON PEOPLE AND FBO FOR OUTSOURCING AND FOR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT. 
          THE CAPITAL IS ALMOST $800,000. 
          IT WAS SPENT ON THE 3D MICROSCOPES AND SOME, UM, THE EQUIPMENT IN FIO. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS WHERE, WHERE WE SPENT THE ARPA MONEY, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED AND WHERE WE'VE SPENT THAT. 
          AND THEN I JUST HAD TO DO SOME PLUSES AND MINUSES IN THE COLUMNS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS WORK OUT TO GIVE US TO A, A NEW BUDGET, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE. 
          DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME? THEN I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE, UH, REALLOCATED OR ADJUSTED FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET, PLEASE. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL CALL FOR THAT VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL DO TWO VOTES RIGHT, RIGHT AFTER YOU FINISHED YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          CAN I MOVE ON TO THE 25? THE NEW, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET? ANYTHING FOR FISCAL YEAR 24? OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PACKET. 
          UH, WAS IT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE LAST, UH, BOARD MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT WE WENT OVER IN DETAIL. 
          THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET. 
          WE WERE ASKING FOR A LOT OF INCREASES. 
          UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THI THIS IS THE PAGE IF, IF YOU WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS IS A PAGE YOU WANNA SEE THE, THE STANDING APPROVED FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED IS 35 697. 
          OKAY? THAT INCLUDED EXTRA MONEY FOR MULTIPLE DISCIPLINES. 
          IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE LAB NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE OUR CUSTOMER CORRECTLY, RIGHT? TO GET CAUGHT UP, SEVERAL OF THOSE LINE ITEMS DIDN'T GET A, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          WHAT DID GET APPROVED IS DOWN BELOW IS THE FBO, UH, 2,000,563, RIGHT? AND THEN FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM 1 MILLION OH 52. 
          OKAY? SO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU IS THE STANDING APPROVED BUDGET, THE THREE 35,000,697, WE'RE REMOVING WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO IN FIREARM CSU, TOXICOLOGY CSM. 
          YOU SEE THOSE AS NEGATIVES. 
          WHAT STAYED IN IS THE MONEY FOR FIO OF 2.6 MILLION AND FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM. 
          YOU'RE ONE OF THE PROPERTY ROOM. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M LOST. 
          UM, SO COULD YOU, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING THESE NUMBERS ON THIS SLIDE. 
          IS THERE A WAY OF SHOWING THE SLIDE? DO YOU HAVE A POINTER? I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          DO I? YEAH, I DO. 
          UH, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE TV THOUGH. 
          HE'S, HE'S RIGHT OVER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS LOOKING, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          MY, MY BAD. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, UH, I, I'LL GO BACK OVER THIS. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF THE KEY TO, TO WHAT I'M ACTUALLY, YOU GUYS HAD ORIGINALLY APPROVED 35 6 OR YEAH, 35 6 97 AND YOU HAD APPROVED THESE OTHER ITEMS, BUT I'M BACKING THOSE OUT NOW. 
          WHAT STAYED IN WAS THE INCREASE FOR FBO AND THE INCREASE FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM WHEN YOU COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR. 
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OKAY. 
          THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I'LL ASK YOU TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE. 
          THE REST OF IT IS DETAILS. 
          OKAY? AND I, I'LL GO INTO IT IF YOU WANT ME TO, BUT IT'S THE SAME DETAILS THAT I PRESENTED IN THE LAST, UH, BUDGET MEETING, THE WATERFALL CHARTS AND EVERYTHING, AND ALL THE DETAIL BEHIND EVERYTHING. 
          SO ALL OF THAT IS THE SAME FOR WHAT STAYED IN, WHICH IS F BIO O. 
          SO IN PRINCIPLE, YOU HAVE THIS YEAR, WHAT WE RECEIVED FOR THIS YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY ARPA MONEY 'CAUSE ARPA MONEY ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ADD TO THAT AN EXTRA 2 MILLION FOR F BIO O AND AN EXTRA MILLION FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM. 
          AND THAT WILL GET US TO WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE FOR THIS YEAR. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE, THE, I, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES. 
          I'M TRYING TO ONLY MOVE THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY INSTEAD OF REDO THE WHOLE THING FOR YOU. 
          UH, I HOPE I'M TAKING THE RIGHT TACT. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS CHART IS THE FISCAL YEAR 23, WHAT I WAS FORECASTING AT THE TIME FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, THE NEW BUDGET, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE, I PUT IN THERE THE OLD BUDGET. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT CHANGED FROM WHAT YOU HAD APPROVED LAST TIME VERSUS THIS TIME. 
          BUT I SHOWED THAT ON THE LAST CHART. 
          OKAY? AND THEN CHANGES BETWEEN WHERE I THINK WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY FINISH FISCAL YEAR 24. 
          AND WHAT FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET THAT I'M ASKING YOU TO APPROVE IS, OKAY, IN CONCEPT FISCAL YEAR 24 STAYS THE SAME AS FISCAL YEAR 25 PLUS 2 MILLION FOR F BIO PLUS 1 MILLION FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM. 
          THAT, THAT'S IN THEORY. 
          WHAT THIS, WHAT ALL THESE NUMBERS COME BACK TO. 
          WHAT DO THE INITIALS STAND FOR? I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT DO THE INITIALS STAND FOR? AND, UH, THE BIOLOGY F BIO IS THE BIOLOGY, UH, DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA GET AN EXTRA $2.6 MILLION TO THEIR BUDGET. 
          AND THEN THE TRANSITION OF THE PROPERTY ROOM, WHICH WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING THROUGH THIS YEAR, A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT. 
          AND WHERE IS THAT ON THIS SLIDE? IT'S NOT THAT, THAT WOULD BE IN THIS SLIDE. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS AT A HIGHER LEVEL. 
          THAT'S WHY I SHOWED IT TO YOU ON THE OTHER SLIDE. 
          THE, THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS GET BURIED WITHIN DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS ON HERE. 
          SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE. 
          SO IF, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS WE ARE PLANNING FOR FORENSIC BIOLOGY IN THIS NEXT YEAR, USING THE $2.6 MILLION IS BOLSTERING THE COST OF OUTSOURCING AT THE PACE THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO. 
          THAT'S ABOVE WHAT WE'VE GOT FEDERAL MONEY FOR, UM, BEGINNING TO TRAIN MORE FORENSIC BIOLOGY ANALYSTS. 
          SO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT $2 MILLION WILL SHIFT FROM MORE OUTSOURCING TO MORE ANALYSTS, UH, IN THE PROPERTY ROOM. 
          THAT INCLUDES MONEY FOR CONSULTANTS AND CONSTRUCTION EVALUATION. 
          AND WE TOOK A GUESS AT ONCE WE START MOVING IN AND HAVE LEASE OBLIGATIONS, IT'S GOT ABOUT A QUARTER OF A FISCAL, QUARTER OF THE LEASE COSTS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OBLIGE TO ONCE WE START MOVING IN. 
          THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL BALANCE OF RISKS AND WHAT CAN BE AFFORDED. 
          YES, IT DOES STILL LEAVE US WITH VULNERABILITIES IN THE OTHER DIVISIONS THAT WE SAID WE NEED MONEY TO MAKE PROGRESS IN, UM, SAY A FIREARMS, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE VULNERABILITIES THERE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE AS MUCH PROGRESS IN THOSE OTHER DIVISIONS THAT WE WERE HOPE TO MAKE. 
          BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THE RISKS THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK THROUGH HOW TO TAKE, THAT WAS WHERE WE GOT TO. 
          AND I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A SOLID BUDGET FOR US. 
          BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU START LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS WITHIN THE BUDGET WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN OUTSOURCING AND PERSONNEL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPEARING IN DIFFERENT LINES IN THERE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SORRY, I, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND THE CHART, MAYBE THAT WILL SHOW UP FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT. 
          I, I CALL THESE WATERFALL CHARTS. 
          YOU START, YOU START ON THE LEFT WITH 32.7 MILLION IS WHERE WE ARE, OR WERE IN FISCAL YEAR 24. 
          YOU TAKE AWAY THE ARPA MONEY, THAT'S A NEGATIVE. 
          YOU ADD BACK THE MONEY FOR BIOLOGY OF 2 MILLION. 
          ALL THOSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA STAY FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          AND THEN YOU ADD THE MILLION FOR PROPERTY ROOM, YOU GET TO THE NEW BUDGET, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO APPROVE, WHICH IS A 12% INCREASE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT IS A MEANINGFUL 
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NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE, THERE'S A, THERE ARE, THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION IN HERE. 
          ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS, THAT'S NOT, UH, SHOWING UP. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE ONE OF YOUR HIDDEN SLIDES. 
          OH, ONE OF MY HIDDEN SLIDES? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU UNHIDE HIM REAL QUICK, PLEASE? UH, DO YOU GUYS HAVE SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT IN YOUR PACKAGE? I DIDN'T OH, YOU DIDN'T PRINT OFF THE HIDDEN SLIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL JUST, I'LL SPEAK TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO F BIO, THE INCREASE IS, UH, A SEVEN PERSON HEADCOUNT INCREASE THE DETAILS OF THAT 2 MILLION, WHICH IS WAGES OF AROUND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          THERE ARE FOR SERVICES FOR OUTSOURCING ABOUT $2 MILLION. 
          AND THEN IT EQUIPMENT OF ABOUT $27,000. 
          THE PROPERTY ROOM IS ALL FOR SERVICES. 
          UH, A QUARTER WE, WE WILL HAVE THREE MONTHS OF RENT, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF, UH, MONEY TO BE SPENT ON TRANSITIONING, UH, INTO THE BUILDING. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DETAIL OF WHERE THAT NEW MONEY WILL BE SPENT. 
          ALL THE OTHER MONEY IN THE BUDGET IS SAME AS LAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEW BUDGET? OKAY, SO THEN I WOULD ASK A, AGAIN, THE NEW BUDGET, THE DETAILS OF IT, BECAUSE IT'S A VOTING ITEM, ARE SHOWN IN THE DETAILED P AND L, WHICH, UH, GOES LINE BY LINE. 
          BUT THE INCREASE THAT'S BEING ASKED IS, OR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS 32,723,000, WHICH IS A YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE OF $3.6 MILLION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SIR? ARE YOU COMPLETE WITH YOUR REPORT? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. LEACH. 
          THAT WAS A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE BUDGET. 
          UM, IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'LL PROCEED WITH TWO SEPARATE VOY VOICE VOTES. 
          FIRST, I'LL NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REALLOCATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. 
          BUDGET. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, MS. VELASQUEZ. 
          A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, MS. COHEN. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UNMUTE YOUR MICS PLEASE AND WE'LL DO A VOICE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? GREAT. 
          UM, WE WILL NOW APPROVE THAT THE MO THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NOW WE NEED TO DO A MOTION FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET. 
          THANK YOU TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR FOR GIVING US SOME MORE MONEY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, MEMBERS, PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS UNMUTED. 
          AND MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2025 BUDGET? I SO MOVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND DIRECTOR, HUFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR HILDER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND YOU NOW HAVE YOUR BUDGET. 
          JUST A QUICK ASIDE, PETER DID, WHAT WAS THE MOOD OF CITY COUNCIL ON THIS? DID YOU OH, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE. 
          UM, AND INTERESTINGLY, AND I, I, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT WITH ANYBODY ABOUT THE, THE CHOICES OF IT. 
          THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT OUR BUDGET REALLY APPEARED AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM IN CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA. 
          UM, AND, AND THE MONEY FOR US PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY PRETTY GOOD SUPPORT FOR US. 
          I WAS GLAD TO SEE IT WASN'T ROLLED INTO THE REST OF THE BUDGET. 
          IT WAS NICE HAVING IT SEPARATE THAT THERE WEREN'T A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS. 
          IT HAS BEEN CONFUSING IN PAST YEARS BECAUSE WE KIND OF WERE A FOOTNOTE ON AN INFORMATIONAL TABLE AND AN APPENDIX. 
          UM, AND IT WAS REALLY TOUGH TO SEE WHAT WE WERE, AND THIS, THIS YEAR WE WERE A SEPARATE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM, SO IT WAS EASIER TO SEE WHAT WE ARE. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, THANKS EVERYONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          AND MS. CORINA HAYNES FROM OUR, UH, CRIME SCENE UNIT. 
          WE'LL GIVE 
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A PRESENTATION. 
          MS. HAYNES, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, CATCH YOUR MICROPHONE THERE, CORINA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING AGAIN. 
          UM, SO ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WE HAVE A VOTING ITEM FOR, UM, MATTERPORT AND CONSIDERING A CONTRACT FOR THE CRIME SCENE UNIT. 
          BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO INTO THAT, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CRIME SCENE UNIT AND WHAT MATTERPORT IS AND HOW IT CAN HELP US. 
          SO, CSIS USE CRIME SCENE MAPPING ON NEARLY EVERY SCENE THAT WE GO OUT TO. 
          UM, ONE OF THE MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO OUT AND EITHER DO A HAND DRAWN SKETCH OR WE BRING OUT ONE OF OUR CURRENT LASER MEASURERS, WHICH IS THE PHARAOH 3D, UM, TO SKETCH THE SCENE. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF THOSE SKETCHES ARE TO PROVIDE A VISUAL REPRESENTATION TO WHOMEVER IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CASE FILE OF, UM, THE SPATIAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE VARIOUS EVIDENCE ITEMS, RIGHT? SO, UM, THIS DOCUMENTATION IS HELPFUL IN DETERMINING THE VALIDITY OF, UM, VICTIM STATEMENTS, OF SUSPECT STATEMENTS. 
          IT'S HELPFUL IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND RECONSTRUCT THE SCENE. 
          THOSE MEASUREMENTS HELP US PUT THE EVIDENCE BACK WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOUND. 
          AND IT'S ALSO EXTREMELY HELPFUL DURING, UM, TRIAL FOR THE JURY TO SEE ANOTHER WAY, UM, THAT THE SCENE. 
          ANOTHER WAY, ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SCENE. 
          NOW, RIGHT NOW, THE MAJORITY OF OUR SCENES ARE DONE THROUGH HAND-DRAWN SKETCHES. 
          ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE AN ACTUAL HAND-DRAWN SKETCH OF SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE ON SCENE. 
          SO THERE IS A CSI AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN THEY GO TO A SCENE IS TO STAND THERE AND SKETCH WHAT THEY SEE. 
          UM, THIS IS SOMETIMES EXTREMELY TEDIOUS, ESPECIALLY WHERE IN, WE'RE IN PARKING LOTS WITH A LOT OF CARS, UM, IF WE'RE IN VERY JUNKY APARTMENTS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS TO ADD IN THERE. 
          UM, ON SCENES WHERE WE HAVE THE MORE ITEMS WE DO A PHARAOH, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A SECOND. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THESE HAND DRAWN SKETCHES IS, UM, YOU SKETCH IT ON SCENE, BUT THEN AFTER THE SCENE IS DONE, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BRING IT BACK AND PUT IT INTO A COMPUTER MODEL. 
          SO OUR KINDERGARTEN SKETCHES CAN BE PRESENTED IN COURT, OR SO PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY READ OUR HANDWRITING. 
          UM, SO ON THE LEFT, OR EXCUSE ME ON THE RIGHT THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE SAME SKETCH, BUT MOVED INTO A COMPUTER RENDERING. 
          TYPICALLY THOSE TAKE ABOUT AN HOUR WHEN YOU COME BACK FROM SCENE. 
          UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NORMALLY DONE IMMEDIATELY. 
          NORMALLY IT'S THE NEXT DAY OR, UM, SOMETIME IN THE WORKING WEEK. 
          BUT THERE IS ADDITIONAL WORK AFTER THE SCENE TO COMPLETE THAT HAND-DRAWN SKETCH. 
          FOR LARGER SCENES, UM, TYPICALLY OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS OR SCENES WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF EVIDENCE MARKERS, UM, OR WE'RE COVERING A REALLY LARGE AREA, WE WILL BRING OUT THE PHARAOH 3D SCANNERS. 
          AND, UM, THERE IS A CSI WHO IS TASKED WITH OPERATING THE SCANNER. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO SET IT UP. 
          IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO SURVEYING EQUIPMENT. 
          IN FACT, IT'S ACTUALLY USED IN SURVEYING SOMETIMES. 
          SO THE GUYS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER SCANNERS LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          THE CSI SETS IT UP AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING THE SCANNER AROUND THE SCENE TO, UM, CAPTURE ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S THERE. 
          THESE PHARAOH SCANS, ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT WITH THEM IS THE VIEWING SCREEN IS EXTREMELY SMALL. 
          SO ONCE YOU DO A SCAN, YOU'RE HOPING THAT YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET IN THAT SCAN. 
          YOU, UM, ARE ALSO HOPING THAT YOU'VE PLACED THAT SCANNER APPROPRIATELY AT THE APPROPRIATE DISTANCES. 
          AND WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE LAB FOR RENDERING, IT IS ABLE TO BE STITCHED TOGETHER. 
          IF THE FARA IS TOO FAR APART, OR THE SCANS ARE DONE TOO FAR APART, IT CAN BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO, UM, PUT THOSE SCANS TOGETHER LATER ON. 
          ALSO, NOT ALL OF THE CSIS ARE, UM, AUTHORIZED TO DO FARA RENDERINGS. 
          EVERYONE IS AUTHORIZED TO DO THE SCANNING ON SCENE, BUT WE ONLY HAVE A HANDFUL OF CSIS WHO ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO USE THE COMPUTER PROGRAM WHEN WE RETURN BACK TO THE OFFICE TO COMPLETE THIS FINAL RENDERING. 
          SO WHEN A CSI WHO IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO THE RENDERING COMES BACK FROM A SCENE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PASS OFF THE SD CARD THAT'S COME OUT OF THAT SCANNER TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTHORIZED IN FARO RENDERING SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE SCAN. 
          UM, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY, UH, IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A FARO RENDERING FROM A SCENE. 
          THEY'RE GOOD, BUT SOMETIMES THEY CAN COME OUT VERY PIXELATED. 
          UM, AND THE SOFTWARE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE ON THE BACKEND. 
          SO HAND-DRAWN SKETCHES, UM, AND ACTUALLY PHARAOH OR LEICA, WE DON'T USE LEICA, BUT OTHER AGENCIES DO, ARE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION ON THEIR SCENES TO, UM, PROVIDE THIS VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY SEE OR 
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WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND. 
          UM, IT PROVIDES A LOT OF VALUABLE INFORMATION. 
          UM, BUT THE GATHERING OF THE INFORMATION CAN BE TIME CONSUMING AND IS SUBJECT TO HUMAN ERROR, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE WHO'S OUT THERE TRYING TO DO A HAND-DRAWN SKETCH IN THE MIDDLE OF BARREL, UM, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO DO. 
          IT'S ALSO, IMAGINE IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERSECTION TRYING TO DR. 
          HAND DRAW THAT SKETCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. 
          UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT TAKES SOME TIME, RIGHT? UM, ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE TYPICALLY GOING ON ON OUR SCENES, AND SO IT'S EASILY TO GET, IT'S EASY TO GET DISTRACTED. 
          UM, PERHAPS YOU FORGOT TO TAKE A CERTAIN MEASUREMENT OR YOU INVERTED A NUMBER BECAUSE A DETECTIVE ASKED YOU SOMETHING. 
          SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO HUMAN ERROR. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THE WORK DONE ON SCENE STILL REQUIRES A LOT OF WORK BACK AT THE OFFICE. 
          SO THOSE HAND DRAWN SKETCHES, WE'VE GOTTA PUT 'EM INTO THE COMPUTER OR SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT FINAL RENDERING. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION ON SCENE. 
          AND WE, WE STARTED USING MATTERPORT. 
          UM, YOU GUYS APPROVED US TO START A PILOT WHERE WE'VE BEEN USING THE MATTERPORT TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK ON SCENES. 
          FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, MATTERPORT IS A CAMERA SCANNER THAT CAPTURES SCENES USING LIDAR OR LIGHT DETECTION AND RANGING TO BREAK THAT REALLY, REALLY WAY DOWN. 
          THIS SHOOTS OUT A LASER, IT SHOOTS IT BACK. 
          AND WITH THE MEASUREMENTS OR HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THE LASER TO COME BACK, IT HELPS, UM, CREATE A 3D SCENE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE LEFT THERE IS A MATTERPORT PRO THREE. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY THE MATTERPORT THAT WE'VE BEEN USING IN OUR PILOT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. 
          HOW IS MATTERPORT DIFFERENT? ONE, THE SCAN TIME IS A LOT SHORTER. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO DO MORE SCANS USING THE MATTERPORT, BUT THE SCANS ONLY TAKE 10 TO 12 SECONDS. 
          UM, AS COMPARED TO THE FARO SCANS, WHICH CAN TAKE THREE TO SIX MINUTES. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SECONDS VERSUS MINUTES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE ON SCENE, UM, THE SCAN TIME IS A LOT SHORTER. 
          ANOTHER REALLY NICE THING ABOUT THE MATTERPORT IS IT HAS A PREVIEW OF WHAT YOU'VE SCANNED. 
          SO THE CSIS WOULD USE AN IPAD, UM, AS A REMOTE KIND OF AT BLUETOOTHS TO THE SCANNER TO SCAN THE SCENES. 
          AND ONCE THAT TEN SECOND SCAN IS DONE, IT ACTUALLY GENERATES A PHOTO OF WHAT'S BEEN SCANNED. 
          SO THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE IF THEY'VE CAPTURED THE INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE INTENDING TO CAPTURE. 
          UM, IT IS VERY EASY TO USE IN OUR VALIDATION PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH. 
          I WAS ABLE TO TAKE MAYBE TWO OR THREE MINUTES EXPLAIN TO A CSI HOW TO USE THE IPAD, HOW TO, UM, USE THE SCANNER, SCANNER PLACEMENT. 
          AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GO OFF AND DO IT ON THEIR OWN. 
          IT DOES NOT TAKE VERY LONG. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY EASY TO USE ON THE FRONT END. 
          IT'S ALSO VERY EASY TO USE ON THE BACK END FOR OUR END USERS. 
          UM, WHEN THEY GET THAT FINAL PRODUCT, THEY CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT 3D RENDERING FAIRLY EASILY. 
          THE ICONS, UM, ARE EASILY IDENTIFIED FOR MEASUREMENTS AND WALKTHROUGHS AND SOMEONE WHO'S NEVER USED THE PROGRAM BEFORE COULD PROBABLY CLICK AROUND FOR A MINUTE OR SO AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT. 
          UM, THERE'S MINIMAL WORK ON THE BACKEND, WHICH IS VERY, VERY NICE. 
          UM, ONCE THE SCAN IS DONE ON SCENE, WE HIT AN UPLOAD BUTTON, IT UPLOADS, AND THEN YOU GET AN EMAIL LATER SAYING YOUR, UM, SCAN IS READY FOR VIEWING. 
          SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS COMPLETE THE SCANS ON SCENE, MARK THE WINDOWS AND MIRRORS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THE REFLECTIVE POINTS ARE. 
          WE UPLOAD IT AND THEN BY THE TIME WE GET BACK TO THE OFFICE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER, THE ACTUAL FINAL SCAN IS READY TO BE VIEWED. 
          WOW. 
          THE COST OF THE ACTUAL SCANNER IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE SCANNER. 
          SO THE MATTERPORT PRO THREES RUN ROUGHLY $7,500 A SCANNER WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PHARAOHS THAT RUN 20,000 PLUS A SCANNER. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO CSIS, WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT ROUGH ON EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, THERE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TWO PHARAOHS THAT WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE. 
          ONE FROM USER ERROR AND ONE BECAUSE THE WIND TOOK IT DURING A VERY RAINY SCENE OR A VERY, UH, GUSTY SCENE AND KNOCKED IT OVER AND BROKE IT. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WANT TO GO AROUND BREAKING MATTERPORTS MM-HMM . 
          BUT IF WE WERE, IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO REPLACE. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE IS A SCENE THAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE DURING OUR VALIDATION IN THIS SCENE. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO TEST HOW THE MATTERPORT WORKED IN A VERY DARK ENVIRONMENT, MOVING TO A VERY LIGHT ENVIRONMENT. 
          DID IT HAVE ANY ISSUES RECOGNIZING THE LIGHT? WAS IT ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE, UM, AREAS AROUND IT? DID THE REFLECTION, BECAUSE THIS WAS A VERY RAINY SCENE, UH, ALTER THE SCENE AT ALL. 
          CAN YOU HIT PLAY ON THAT FOR ME? SO THE COMPUTER OR THE MATTERPORT PROGRAM CREATES A 3D RENDERING, LITERALLY OF THE SCENE HERE. 
          UM, 
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AND THEN YOU CAN ADJUST THIS PREVIEW BUTTON TO GO FASTER OR SLOWER. 
          SO IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS TO WALK THROUGH REALLY SLOW, THE FLY THROUGH COULD GO A LOT SLOWER. 
          THIS ALSO, THIS IS ONLY PART OF THE PROGRAM. 
          THE OTHER PART IS YOU ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO A WALKTHROUGH WHERE YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH THE SCANS. 
          MATTERPORT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED FOR REAL ESTATE. 
          SO YOU SEE IT A LOT IN APARTMENT VIEWINGS. 
          IF YOU'RE VIEWING REAL, UM, HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE MARKET WHERE, AND YOU KNOW HOW YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH THOSE HOUSES AND KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT ON CRIME SCENES, UH, THIS WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL ON LARGE SCENES WITH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. 
          SO IF WE UPLOAD OUR SCANS, WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF THE COMMAND STAFF FROM WHATEVER AGENCY IS OUT THERE, AND IN ABOUT AN HOUR THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE SCENE THEMSELVES WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING TO WALK THROUGH THE SCENE. 
          IT WOULD ALSO BE VERY NICE DURING COURT PURPOSES, RIGHT? YOU CAN HAVE THE JURY BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE. 
          OH, IT DID IT FOR ME FROM THAT SCAN THAT YOU ALL JUST SAW. 
          THIS WAS THE INSIDE PORTION. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO SHOW HOW EASY IT IS TO CAPTURE THE MEASUREMENTS. 
          WHEN WE MEASURE ON SCENE. 
          CURRENTLY, WE ARE MEASURING WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS IMPORTANT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS SCENE, PERHAPS THE CSI HAD TAKEN THE MEASUREMENTS TO THE PLACARD THERE, BUT THEN THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT SIGN WAS IMPORTANT. 
          MAYBE DURING INTERVIEWS THE VICTIM SAID THE SUSPECT WALKED, WALKED PAST THAT SIGN AND THEY WERE TALLER THAN THAT. 
          WELL, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE. 
          YOU COULD EASILY GO INTO THE SCAN PINPOINT TO PINPOINT HOW BIG IS THAT OR HOW TALL IS THAT SIGN? IN THIS CASE, IT'S FIVE 10. 
          SO WE NOW KNOW THAT OUR SUSPECT IS TALLER THAN FIVE 10. 
          UM, BUT ON SCENE WE WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T, THERE WAS, THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR US TO TAKE A MEASUREMENT OF THAT SIGN. 
          UM, ANYONE CAN GO IN AFTER THEY RECEIVE THIS END PRODUCT, TAKE MEASUREMENTS AS THEY PLEASE. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA MESS UP ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. 
          UM, THEY CAN TAKE SCREENSHOTS TO SHOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE OR THEY CAN JUST GO IN AND TAKE MEASUREMENTS HOWEVER THEY PLEASE. 
          AND IT'S NOT GOING TO ALTER ANYTHING. 
          HOW IS THIS HELPFUL? IT'S GONNA REDUCE THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO SPEND ON SCENE DOING ANY TYPE OF CRIME SCENE MAPPING. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA REDUCE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO DO THE HAND DRAWN SKETCH. 
          IT GOES MUCH FASTER THAN, UM, USING THE FERRIS SCANNER. 
          OUR SCENES WHEN WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS VALIDATION PROCESS, HAVE TAKEN US ON AVERAGE ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO DO COMPLETELY, WHICH IS A LOT FASTER THAN OUR OTHER SCENES. 
          UM, IT PRODUCES A HIGHER QUALITY AND MORE ACCURATE PRODUCT FOR THE END USER. 
          SO I WOULD MUCH RATHER TAKE MEASUREMENTS FROM A COMPUTER OR FROM A SCANNER THAT'S USED LIDAR INSTEAD OF ME HOT AND SWEATY ON A SCENE WITH MY SHAKY LASER MEASURE. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ACTUAL SCANS THEMSELVES ARE VERY CLEAR. 
          YOU CAN EASILY SEE WHAT'S IN THOSE SCANS. 
          UM, IT CAPTURES AREAS THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW ARE RELEVANT AT THE TIME. 
          WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION. 
          LIKE I SAID, WITH THAT SIGN FOR EXAMPLE, WE MAY GET MORE INFORMATION LATER AND THAT INFORMATION IS CAPTURED EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED THAT INFORMATION. 
          YES. 
          SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE HAND SKETCHES ANYMORE? NO. 
          IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS FULLY AND SEEN WORK, THEN WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO A HAND SKETCH UNLESS, THE ONLY TIME I COULD THINK THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE IS IF WE'RE IN LIKE A TORRENTIAL DOWNPOUR. 
          'CAUSE WE CAN'T USE A SCANNER WHEN IT'S LIKE THAT. 
          WE CAN USE IT DURING DRIZZLE, BUT NOT DURING A DOWNPOUR. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE IT. 
          IT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SCENE VIDEO. 
          THERE'S NO NEED TO TAKE A VIDEO WALKTHROUGH OF THE SCENE IF THE END USER CAN CLICK THROUGH AND WALK ANY DIRECTION TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT. 
          UM, IN THOSE WALKTHROUGHS, YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK UP, DOWN SIDE TO SIDE AND YOU'RE SEEING EVERYTHING THAT THE CSI SAW ON SCENE. 
          UM, WE'VE TESTED 21 DIFFERENT SCENE TYPES USING THE SCANNER. 
          SO WE COMPARED THE SCANNERS ON 21 DIFFERENT SCENES WITH OUR, UM, CURRENT METHODS. 
          SO THE HAND DRAWN SKETCHING, THE MEASUREMENTS, PHARAOH, WE ALSO, UM, TOOK PHOTOS OF THOSE SCENES AND THE MATTERPORT, UM, SCANS WERE MORE ACCURATE AND PRODUCED A HIGHER QUALITY RESULT THAN THE OTHER. 
          UM, OUR CURRENT METHODS IN THOSE 21 SCANS, WE TESTED THEM IN ALL TYPES OF ENVIRONMENT, IN THE HEAT, IN THE RAIN, DARK LIGHT, UM, DIRECT SUNLIGHT, SMALL AREAS UP AND DOWN STAIRS AT THE BAYOU. 
          ANYWHERE WHERE WE THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SCENE OR A TYPE OF SCENE WHERE WE'RE GOING MAYBE FROM LIGHT TO DARK OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING. 
          WE'VE TESTED THE SCANNER AND THE PRO THREE HAS PROVEN TO WORK IN ALL OF THOSE ENVIRONMENTS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO BRING IT ON BOARD. 
          UM, AND THE CSIS, IT WOULD HELP THEM LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL IN COURT AND 
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JUST PROFESSIONAL IN GENERAL. 
          WE'RE USING, YOU KNOW, A HIGH TECH, UH, SCAN 3D WALKTHROUGH VERSUS OUR CURRENT SKETCH METHODS THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW. 
          HOW PREVALENT IS, UH, THIS TECHNOLOGY USED WITH OTHER LABS? SO WE WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST LABS THAT IS ACTUALLY USING MATTERPORT, UM, ON CRIME SCENES. 
          SO THE 3D SCANNING, LIKE I SAID, IS VERY PREVALENT, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME OR ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT IT'S BEING INTRODUCED INTO THE FORENSIC FIELD WITH THIS COMPANY. 
          I THINK SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE. 
          SO, SO LEICA, TRIMBLE AND PHARAOH ARE THE THREE MANUFACTURERS OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          LI LEICA AND TRIM? WELL, ACTUALLY ALL THREE OF THEM. 
          UH, REALLY THESE ARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE USED IN SURVEY, UH, BUILDING MANAGEMENT, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT KIND OF THINGS. 
          THE SCANNERS THAT YOU SEE USED IN THE FORENSIC END OF THINGS ARE BASICALLY THE BOTTOM END SCANNERS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT LABS CAN AFFORD. 
          AND IT'S THE CLASSIC SITUATION OF, IT'S A PERFECTLY SERVICEABLE THING. 
          THEY'RE ALL VERSIONS OF LIDAR SCANNERS. 
          THE SOFTWARE IS CLUNKY. 
          IT'S INTENDED FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL SURVEYOR OR PROFESSIONAL PERSON THAT DOES THIS. 
          NOT SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A BAZILLION OTHER TASKS TO DO AND THEN TRYING TO PRESENT IT TO A JURY. 
          IT'S WHAT WAS REALLY INTRIGUING ABOUT MATTERPORT WHEN THIS FIRST POPPED UP. 
          AND ACTUALLY, HONESTLY, I FIRST FOUND IT. 
          I WAS IN, IN SOME OF THE, UM, REAL ESTATE DEALS, TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO PUT PROPERTY, UM, WAS LIKE, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF COOL. 
          AND MATTERPORTS BUSINESS IS AROUND RETAIL REAL ESTATE. 
          SO THEY'VE INVESTED ONE, THERE IS A VERY LARGE INDUSTRY THAT THEY'VE GOT A MARKET FOR, UNLIKE THE FORENSIC WORLD THAT IS A MARKET THIS BIG. 
          SO THEY'VE HAD THE CAPITAL TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PRODUCT AND THEY'VE DEVELOPED A PRODUCT FOR YOUR AVERAGE REAL ESTATE AGENT TO BE ABLE TO USE. 
          SO THEY'VE PUT THE MONEY INTO THE USER INTERFACES. 
          THE EASE OF USE, IT'S JUST, IT'S EASIER FOR THE CSU TO CSI TO USE. 
          IT'S EASIER FOR THE INVESTIGATOR TO USE. 
          IT'S EASIER FOR THE JURY TO UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S MUCH MORE INTUITIVE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL ADVANTAGE IN IT. 
          UM, NOW WHEN WE STARTED TALKING WITH THEM THREE YEARS AGO, I GUESS IT WAS, I IT WAS VERY MUCH A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT AND MATTERPORT, WE, WE WERE HANDS DOWN THE FIRST ONES TO EVER APPROACH 'EM ABOUT, HEY, WHAT IF WE WERE TO USE THIS ON CRIME SCENES? UM, AND IN THOSE THREE YEARS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, THEY HAVE MOVED THIS OVER INTO A GOVERNMENT CLOUD PLATFORM. 
          SO IT'S GOT THE SECURITY OVERLAYS NECESSARY TO DEAL WITH EVIDENTIARY HANDLING. 
          THEY'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY FOR ARCHIVING, FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DATA LONG PAST WHAT YOU WOULD DO FOR, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL. 
          UM, SO THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THAT. 
          THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH THINGS LIKE WITHIN THEIR USER AGREEMENT AND CONTRACTS. 
           WAS KIND OF FUNNY. 
          THEY HAD A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT THE END USER AGREES NOT TO PUT ANY POTENTIALLY DISTURBING, UH, IMAGERY INTO THE DATABASE. 
          IT'S LIKE, UM, GUYS, ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS DISTURBING HERE. 
          SO, SO WE'VE, WE'VE, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THAT STUFF AND I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE THAT WORKS PRETTY WELL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE 3D SCANNERS AREN'T USED. 
          UM, SHERIFF'S OFFICE USES LIKE, UH, ACTUALLY THE VEHICULAR CRIMES UNIT WITHIN HPD USES LIKE A SCANNERS. 
          THEY'RE GOOD SCANNERS. 
          THEY, THEY WORK WELL. 
          THEY JUST, FOR THE BROAD ARRAY OF USERS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE THIS TO, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S BUILT FOR THE AVERAGE USER, NOT THE PROFESSIONAL USER. 
          WELL, CURIOUSLY, HOW DID IT COME ON YOUR RADAR TO LITERALLY IT WAS, 'CAUSE I, I WAS, UH, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WE WERE LOOKING AT AS A POTENTIAL PLACE FOR THE PROPERTY ROOM TO GO TO, SENT ME A MATTERPORT SCAN OF THE THING. 
          AND I WAS CLICKING THROUGH IT GOING, WAIT A SEC, THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE FOR CRIME SCENE . 
          AND SO I, I, YOU KNOW, FINALLY FOUND THEIR CUSTOMER SUPPORT NUMBER. 
          I JUST WENT IN THROUGH THE STRAIGHT RETAIL END. 
          I GOT SOME, IT WAS FUNNY, SOME 19-YEAR-OLD KID WAS THE ORIGINAL SALES GUY. 
          HE WAS THERE ON THE ZOOM CALL TOSSING A BASKET BALL UP IN THE AIR . 
          I MEAN, IT WAS . 
          AND, BUT THEY, TO THEIR, TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY RAPIDLY REALIZED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA. 
          UM, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THEY'VE GONE ON. 
          THEY'VE GOT STUFF THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE VALUE IN 
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IT. 
          AND IT IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE SOLUTION. 
          I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL, UM, CONTRACT VALUE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRACT, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO USE IT BASICALLY ON ALL THE SCENES. 
          SO THE SCANNERS THEMSELVES AREN'T THAT EXPENSIVE. 
          ALL OF THE STORAGE, ALL OF THE SOFTWARE AROUND IT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE COST IS. 
          BUT THAT'S ALSO WHERE A LOT OF THE ADVANTAGE AND THE, THE REAL BENEFIT OF IT IS, IT, IT EVEN OUTTA THE BOX WORKS WITH, UM, THE OCULUS, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. 
          UH, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE LONGER TERM ADVANTAGES OF THIS FOR THAT REPRESENTATION OF SCENES THAT IS INTUITIVE AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO A WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, I I, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING WITH PHARAOH. 
          I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING WITH THE LEAK OF FOLKS. 
          THEY'RE GOOD FOLKS, THEY'RE GOOD PRODUCTS. 
          THEY JUST, THEY AREN'T ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE USER INTERFACE. 
          AND I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING BECAUSE THE FORENSIC MARKET IS SO SMALL, THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT IS PROHIBITIVE TO 'EM. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          DO THE COURTS NEED TO CERTIFY THIS IN ANY WAY SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THE LEAD? PROBABLY THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. 
          BUT, UM, SO IT, IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN SORT OF THE OTHER, UM, EVIDENCE OR TECHNOLOGIES WE ARE TRYING TO INTRODUCE OR ANY OTHER WITNESSES TRYING TO INTRODUCE. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT OUR VALIDATION ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY, HOW IT WORKS. 
          IF THERE WERE AN OBJECTION FROM THE DEFENSE OR JUST A REQUEST FOR A HEARING FROM THE DEFENSE, THEN THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WOULD BE ELICITED. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE INFORMATION WE HAVE ALONE IN OUR PROCESSES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OKAY TO, TO GET THE TECHNOLOGY IN, IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THERE MAY BE A REQUEST OR A NEED FOR SOMEONE FROM, FROM MATTERPORT TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO AGAIN, PROVIDE SUFFICIENT RE RELIABILITY, UH, FOR IT TO BE INTRODUCED. 
          SO, SO WE WILL HAVE, HAVE TO SEE, UH, WHERE THAT GOES. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO VIDEOS AND, AND DIAGRAMS AND PHOTOGRAPHS, THAT THRESHOLD CAN BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER WHEN YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY USED THE EQUIPMENT WHO CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT I SAW. 
          SO IN SOME WAYS IT'S NOT THE SAME EVIDENTIARY STANDARD AS SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, BUT, UM, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, UM, SORT OF WHAT CHALLENGES COME FROM THE DEFENSE, IF ANY, AND WHAT STANDARDS THE, THE COURTS WILL, WILL HOLD US TO. 
          BUT TECHNO BRINGING TECHNOLOGY ON BOARD IN COURT IS, IS NOT, UM, A NEW PHENOMENON. 
          IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO MEET THE APPROPRIATE EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS. 
          AND SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE DAS ABOUT THAT WHEN THESE CASES START GOING BEFORE COURT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW, LIDAR SCANNING IS LONG ESTABLISHED, HAS BEEN ACCEPTED, IS COMMONLY USED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE PHARAOH SCANS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED ROUTINELY FOR YEARS, AND WE'VE USED PHARAOH SCANNERS NOW FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. 
          UM, SO FROM THE, THE, THE KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGY, I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE THINGS ARE RENDERED, BUT THERE, THERE IS A, THERE IS SOME CHALLENGE TO DIGITAL IMAGERY PERIOD AS PEOPLE HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN A DIGITAL CAMERA. 
          UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REALLY PROHIBITIVE ABOUT STUFF. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MS. HAYNES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          DR. 
          STAT. 
          ANYTHING FINAL? ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS? NO. 
          IF, IF ANY OF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE GOT AN OCULUS SITTING ON MY DESK 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M A GEEK THAT WAY. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL YOU DON'T HIT ANYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          , THANKS SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'LL NOW HAVE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN MATTERPORT INC AND THE CORPORATION FOR 3D TECHNOLOGY RELATED SERVICES AND EQUIPMENT. 
          THE TOTAL CONTRACT WILL BE $760,710 OR $710,000. 
          AND TO AUTHORIZE DR. STOUT TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON THE BOARD'S BEHALF MEMBERS, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MICS AT THIS TIME. 
          MAY I GET A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THIS? SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU, DIRECTOR HILDER. 
          A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, DIRECTOR COHEN. 
          AT THIS TIME, LET'S HAVE A, UH, VOICE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NEXT UP IS, UH, JACKIE MORRELL, WHO IS OUR QUALITY DIRECTOR, AND SHE WILL PREPARE, UH, 
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UH, GIVE US HER REPORT. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, MY FIRST TOPIC FOR TODAY FOR OUR QUALITY REPORT IS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR BLIND QUALITY CONTROL PROGRAM. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY SLIDES, THE QUALITY DIVISION MET OUR BQC SUBMISSION, UH, METRICS AND GOALS FOR THE, BOTH THE, UH, THE MONTH OF MAY AND FOR IN JUNE. 
          MOVING ON TO QUALITY AND BLIND UPDATES. 
          UH, WE WERE ASKED BY THE QUALITY SPECIALIST ADVISORY GROUP FROM THE A-N-C-P-A-A, WHICH IS THE AUSTRALIAN NEW ZEALAND POLICE ADVISORY AGENCY, UH, FOR US TO COME PRESENT AT THEIR WORKSHOP. 
          THAT IS GOING TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 10TH ON SYSTEM TESTING AND FORENSIC SCIENCE, UH, DEVELOPING A STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK FOR STANDARD REQUIREMENTS OF QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAMS. UH, THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO COME PRESENT ON OUR BLIND QUALITY CONTROL PROGRAM. 
          AND JUST KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE'VE SINCE, SINCE THAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          UM, ANY IMPLEMENTATION OR FRAMEWORK STRATEGIES THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED ALONG THE WAY. 
          UH, ANY CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT INITIATIVE THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED, UM, SINCE, SINCE WE'VE ERADICATED, UM, THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, ALSO, OF COURSE, ANY CHALLENGES, SETBACKS, AND THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE, UM, IMPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO SOLVE THEM AND ANY LESSONS LEARNED, UH, BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE ANY GAPS AND DEFICIENCIES ON THEIR PROFICIENCY TEST SYSTEMS. AND THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR THEM TO, IN THE HOPES OF THEM TO IMPLEMENT A BLIND QUALITY TO CONTROL PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THOSE DEFICIENCIES. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE PRESENTED FOR THIS GROUP. 
          IN FACT, LAST YEAR, UH, DR. STOUT, UH, THE PREVIOUS QUALITY DIRECTOR, MS. ERICA SEK AND MYSELF PRESENTED A TWO DAY, TWO HOUR WORKSHOP FOR THEM. 
          THAT WAS MORE FROM AN HFSE PERSPECTIVE ON THE TRANSPARENCY AND FORENSIC QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. NOW, FOR BOTH THE SESSIONS AND THE SESSION IN SEPTEMBER, ALL OF THEM ARE GONNA BE THE ONES LAST YEAR. 
          AND THE ONES THIS YEAR WILL BE IN A VIRTUAL FORMAT. 
          SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE WON'T GET TO GO TO AUSTRALIA, HONOR CEILING , BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING FOR THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. 
          I KNOW, CAN WE PASS THAT? CAN WE APPROVE THAT ? UM, SO HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE'LL GET TO GO. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, IT'S JUST NICE THAT WE, UM, GET TO PRESENT, UH, TO OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL. 
          UM, MOVING ALONG TO MY NEXT TOPIC, I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON INTERNAL AUDIT. 
          SO, AS Y'ALL MAY KNOW, WE ARE ACCREDITED BY A NAB TO TWO DIFFERENT ACCREDITATION PROGRAMS. SO FOR ISO 17 0 2 5 PROGRAM, UM, AS PART OF THAT ACCREDITATION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO COM, UH, TO COMPLETE YEARLY INTERNAL AUDITS. 
          UH, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF INTERNAL AUDITS IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT TO ALL OF THE ISO 17 0 2 5 STANDARDS. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, A AND A B HAS A SUBSET OF CLAUSES THAT ARE FORENSIC SPECIFIC THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO SHOW CONFORMANCE TO. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING TO YOUR QUALITY MANUAL THAT MAY HAVE MORE CLAUSES, UH, OR MORE STRINGENT. 
          IN ADDITION, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO CHECK, UH, THE SECTION STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. 
          AND ALSO WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AND AUDIT OSAC STANDARDS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED ALONG THE WAY. 
          UH, THE ISO 17 0 2 5 PROGRAM COVERS ALL OF OUR FORENSIC TECHNICAL SECTIONS. 
          SO AS YOU SEE, WE COVER CRIME SCENES, SEIZE DRUGS, TOXICOLOGY, FORENSIC BIOLOGY, UM, FORENSIC MULTIMEDIA AND FIREARMS. UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE FINALLY CONCLUDED OUR INTERNAL AUDIT SEASON FOR ALL OF THESE SECTIONS. 
          UH, WE CONCLUDED ON, WE HAVE THE, WE HAD THIS HAPPEN 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERY SINGLE SECTION. 
          WE HAVE THIS VERY BROAD TIMELINE WHERE WE WHAT TO INCORPORATE IT FROM MARCH OF MAY OF THIS YEAR, UH, FOR US TO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO HOW DO WE, UM, CORROBORATE COMPLIANCE? UM, SO AS PART OF INTERNAL AUDITS, WE PHYSICALLY OBSERVE ANALYSTS COMPLETE THEIR ANALYTICAL TASKS. 
          AND WE DO A SIDE BESIDE COMPARISON WITH THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE STEPS THAT THEY MIRROR EACH OTHER. 
          WE ALSO CORROBORATE THIS THROUGH INTERVIEWS. 
          WE DO CASE FILE REVIEWS. 
          WE MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL THE RECORDS. 
          UM, ALL THOSE TECHNICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE RECORDS ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE LOOK AT VALIDATION BINDERS, TRAINING BINDERS, QUALITY CONTROL CHECKS. 
          WE PHYSICALLY LOOK AT REAGENTS AND INSTRUMENTS AND THEIR LABELING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THIS. 
          I ALREADY SAID VALIDATIONS, UH, QC CALIBRATION CERTIFICATES, PERFORMANCE MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IT'S A VERY BROAD AND VERY COMMISSURE LIST OF WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH, EVEN THOUGH IT HA IT CAN BE A SAMPLING FOR ALL OF THESE SECTIONS. 
          WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT OF COLORS? ? NO, THIS IS FOR 
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OKAY. 
          AESTHETICS. 
          IT, IT'S, UH, THE, THE POWERPOINT HAS THE COLOR SCHEME AND THAT WAS JUST THE MOST , I GUESS NICE ONE OR CHEERFUL. 
          UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, OUR CLIENT SERVICES, UH, CASE MANAGEMENT SECTION CSCM IS ALSO ACCREDITED. 
          THERE ARE ACCREDITED TO A SEPARATE PROGRAM, THE AR 31 81, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ACCREDITATION PROGRAM FROM A NAB. 
          SO THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE THEIR INTERNAL AUDIT SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST. 
          AND THIS ACCREDITATION PROGRAM, IT'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO COMPLETE AN INTERNAL AUDIT ON A YEARLY BASIS AS WELL. 
          SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE BOARD AND LET YOU KNOW OF ANY, UM, UPDATES FOR THIS. 
          BUT HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF AUGUST, WE'LL FINALLY COMPLETE ALL INTERNAL AUDITS AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          NOW, AS I MENTIONED, UM, IT'S A VERY CUMBERSOME PROJECT EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE AT HFSC IS THAT WE OPEN THIS UP FOR VOLUNTEERS AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE TECHNICAL SECTIONS FOR THEM TO VOLUNTEER AND PARTICIPATE IN THE INTERNAL AUDIT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, WE, WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST AND IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING VIABLE FOR THE QUALITY DIVISION TO DO THE INTERNAL AUDITS. 
          IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WHOLE YEAR, UM, LONG INTERNAL AUDIT SEASON. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE THIS PLATFORM TO SAY THAT WE ARE VERY LUCKY AND WE ARE VERY THANKFUL FOR ALL OF THE INTERNAL AUDIT TEAM, THAT WITHOUT THEIR HELP WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS, UM, ACCREDITATION REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO MY LAST SLIDE AND TOPIC 'CAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET. 
          UH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT IN TWO WEEKS DURING THE WEEK OF JULY 22ND THROUGH THE 25TH, WE HAVE OUR A NAB SURVEILLANCE VISIT, UM, AND OUR QAS EXTERNAL ASSESSMENT OCCURRING. 
          SO FOR THIS SURVEILLANCE ASSESSMENT, UM, THERE ARE GOING TO AUDIT AS TO A SUBSET OF QUALITY MANAGEMENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS, BUT ALSO THEY'RE GONNA FOCUS ON SOME TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          FOR THIS INSTANCE, THOSE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA BE FOCUSING MORE SO IN THE TOXICOLOGY SECTION. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY DO DURING REASSESSMENT. 
          EVERY SINGLE CLAUSE IS LOOKED AT. 
          BUT DURING OUR FOUR FOR FOUR YEAR ACCREDITATION CYCLE, UH, FOR SURVEILLANCE VISITS, THERE'S ONLY A SUBSET OF CLAUSES THAT THEY LOOK AT. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE OUR QAS EXTERNAL ASSESSMENT BEING COMPLETED. 
          SO THE FORENSIC BIOLOGY SECTION, IN ADDITION TO HAVING TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE ISO 1705 REQUIREMENTS IN AN A AND A B FORENSIC REQUIREMENTS, THEY ALSO FOLLOW THE QAS STANDARD. 
          UM, THAT'S MANAGED BY THE FBI. 
          THIS, THESE IS, THESE ARE VERY FORENSIC BIOLOGY IN NATURE, UH, STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE SPECIFIC FOR LABORATORIES THAT UPLOAD DNA PROFILES INTO THE CODIS DATABASE, WHICH IS THE COMBINED DNA INDEX SYSTEM. 
          AND, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE PERMISSION AND HAVE ACCESS TO UPLOAD PROFILES, THEY HAVE TO SHOW TO THE FBI ON A YEARLY BASIS THAT THEY'RE ADHERING AND COMPLYING TO ALL OF THOSE OTHER SUBSET OF REQUIREMENTS. 
          NOW, EVERY OTHER YEAR THEY HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS COMPLETED BY AN EXTERNAL ENTITY. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A B COME AND DO THIS, AND THE OTHER YEARS WE CAN COMPLETE THIS INTERNALLY. 
          SO ONCE WE COMPLETE THAT AS PART OF THE INTERNAL AUDITS, WE JUST SEND THAT REPORT TO THE FBI. 
          SO FOR THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE A, WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY BUSY IN, IN TWO WEEKS, SPECIFICALLY BIOLOGY, QUALITY AND TOXICOLOGY. 
          BUT MY PLAN IS TO UPDATE THE BOARD AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO SHOW YOU ANY FINDINGS OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID AS PART OF LAST, UM, AS PART OF THIS AUDIT. 
          SO, AND WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT JOB, MS. MORALE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NOW, UM, WE NEED TO DO, UH, WELL WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY VOTING ON ANYTHING ON THIS ONE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, WE'RE MOVING INTO AGENDA, BUT FOR THOSE THAT I, UH, CALL DOCTOR, FEEL FREE TO PUT THAT ON YOUR BUSINESS CARD AND YOUR LINKEDIN PROFILE . 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO, TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE, UH, BOOST THERE, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET MORE MONEY IN YOUR JOBS. 
          OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, GET A, A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          PETER, DID YOU, WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE IN TERMS OF, UH, REPLACING THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE GONE? I MEAN, IS THERE SOME REASON YOU'RE GETTING ANY RESISTANCE? NOPE. 
          NOT GETTING ANY RESISTANCE. 
          WE'VE GIVEN A LIST OF SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS. 
          UM, I KNOW THE MAYOR'S, UM, DIRECTOR OVER BOARDS HAS INTERVIEWED ALL OF THEM AND BASICALLY SHE'S BEEN  LOOKING FOR A TIME TO TALK WITH THE MAYOR AND, YOU KNOW, WELL  LIKE, DON'T THINK WE HAVE KIND OF BEEN ON THE 
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PRIORITY THE LAST WEEK OR SO, . 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON IT. 
          I THINK THEY'LL GET 'EM FILLED. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING. 
          YEAH, NO, IT'S JUST THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT PUTS NEW BOARD MEMBERS AT A SLIGHT DISADVANTAGE. 
          YEP. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AT THE BEGINNING OF YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          IT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          UM, ALRIGHTY. 
          MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE? OH, NOBODY WANTS SO MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A DIRECTOR VASQUEZ. 
          A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR COHEN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED THAT YOU WANT TO JUST HANG OUT AND VISIT ? OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY AND THANKS TO THE STAFF. 
          YOU ARE TOTALLY OVER THE TOP. 
          AWESOME, RIGHT. 
          THIS IS SUCH AN AMAZING ORGANIZATION AND I HOPE YOU'LL PASS OUR REGARDS TO YOUR TEAMS. THANKS SO MUCH. 
          THANK.
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