[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on January 18, 2024.]
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UH, THIS IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 18TH, 2024.UM, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION, HAHC, IS CALLED TO ORDER.
I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID HICK.
UH, TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM.
I WILL CALL THE ROLE, UH, THE CHAIR IS PRESENT.
UH, IS VICE CHAIR ELIZABETH, UH, WEAVER JACKSON PRESENT? SO NOT HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER JONES? SHE MAY BE ARRIVING SHORTLY.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING HER REMOTELY, BUT NOT VISIBLE AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, IF YOU CAN ANNOUNCE YOURSELF PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OLAND.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT FROM, UH, JENNIFER OSLAND.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I AM ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THANKS FOR EVERY, EVERYONE WHO FILLED OUT THE POLL.
UM, IT WAS KIND OF SPLIT, BUT WE'RE GOING WITH SATURDAY, MARCH 23RD, UM, FROM 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOCATION YET, BUT WE WILL FILL YOU IN, UM, AS THE DETAILS.
WE GET MORE DETAILS AND WE WORK ON THE AGENDA.
SO I, I THINK TAYLOR SENT OUT A CALENDAR INVITATION.
UM, IF YOU DIDN'T GET THAT, PLEASE TRY TO MARK THAT ON YOUR, YOUR CALENDARS.
UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET, GET THAT ROLLING.
AND, UM, FOR THE SNAPSHOT PORTION OF MY REPORT, I'M GONNA ASK SAMANTHA TO COME UP.
SHE'S PREPARED JUST A LITTLE RECAP OF 2023, UM, WITH A, A SLIDE OR TWO, SO THERE'S SOME VISUAL THIS TIME.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
SO FOR 2023, WE HAD 345 TOTAL COA APPLICATIONS, WHICH WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
WE ALSO HAD ABOUT 152 TOTAL AAS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR 2023 AND 166 HAAC APPLICATIONS, WHICH AGAIN, WERE JUST SUBMITTED.
AND THIS IS A PIE GRAPH OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED.
SO IN TOTAL, WE HAD ABOUT 311 COMPLETED APPLICATIONS FOR 2023.
WE APPROVED 130 AAS, 98 HAC APPLICATIONS.
WE DID 30 OR 31 DESIGN REVIEWS.
WE HAD 24 DENIALS, 17 WITHDRAWALS, NINE PROTECTED LANDMARKS THAT WERE PASSED.
TWO CHANGE OF DESIGNATIONS IN ONE LANDMARK.
SO WE WERE VERY BUSY THIS YEAR AND WE ANTICIPATE ANOTHER VERY BUSY, BUSY YEAR FOR 2024.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, UM, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT COMMISSIONER WEAU JACKSON HAS JUST JOINED THE MEETING.
UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'LL BE A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT TODAY.
SO WE WILL, UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE HAHC, DECEMBER 14TH, 2023 MEETING MINUTES COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES AND ARE THERE ANY, UM, SUGGESTED CHANGES? UH, AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? I ABSTAIN.
AND WITH THAT, THE MOTION CARRIES AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
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GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.I AM STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON.
TODAY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION.
ITEMS A 1 1 8 0 2 NORTH BOULEVARD, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BOULEVARD OAKS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL, A 2 5 0 0 1 MANDALE BOULEVARD ALTERATION EDITION, BOULEVARD OAKS HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION.
APPROVAL ITEM A 4 10 11 WEST GARDNER STREET, ALTERATION OF A PORCH AND A BALCONY IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
APPROVAL ITEM 8 8 1 2 3 6 COLUMBIA STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
APPROVAL ITEM A 10, A 7 1 16 SILVER STREET SLASH 1819 KANE STREET.
IT'S ALTERATION AWNING OH SIX WARD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL OF R.
DENIAL ON ISSUANCE OF A COR, SORRY, ITEM A 10 B 7 1 16 SILVER 1819 CANE STREET ALTERATION WINDOW REPAIRS IN THE OLD SIX WARD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE PROCEEDING ITEMS. THANK YOU.
TERRANCE, UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE PROPOSED CONSENT LIST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PULL ITEM 10 A.
YES, AND I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THAT FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT WAS GONNA BE PULLED REGARDLESS.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY, NOT HEARING.
UM, UM, UH, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR A MOMENT.
JUST IF, IF THERE ARE ANYONE THAT HAS NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND EIGHT AND, AND ON, UH, COMMISSIONER YAP.
ON YOUR, YOU'RE PULLING BOTH 10 A AND B.
NO, 10 A WAS WHAT I REQUESTED, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
SO AS A, AS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
WILL BOONE, UM, FOR THIS ADDRESS, BUT THIS ADDRESS HAS TWO APPLICATIONS.
SO LET'S, LET'S PULL BOTH A AND B JUST SO WE COVER OUR BASES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT HAS COME TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 1, 2, 4, OR EIGHT? UH, IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK THAT THE, UM, THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF WILL GO THROUGH NOT HEARING ANY.
SO THEN AT THIS POINT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND EIGHT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA AND TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION MADE BY STAFF? DO I HAVE A MOTION COLUMN? I SO MOVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ARE, IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THAT MOTION PASSES AND IT WILL NOW MOVE ON TO, TO THE IN INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDERED ITEMS STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER 3 14 22 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON TAYLOR VALLEY.
I SUBMIT ITEM A THREE AT 1422 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD IN THE HEIGHTS, HOUSTON HEIGHTS, EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH NEW SIDING, NEW WINDOWS, NEW DOORS.
THE ADDITION OF A THREE BY EIGHT FRONT FACING DORMER AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GAZEBO WINDOWS ARE TO BE INSET AND RECESSED WOOD MATERIAL.
THE SIDING WILL BE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS WITH A SEVEN INCH REVEAL TO MATCH THE EXISTING NEW FRONT AND SIDE DOORS WILL BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
WHILE THE SECOND STORY WILL INCLUDE A PAIR OF FRENCH DOORS BETWEEN THE TWO SETS OF WINDOWS AND A JULIET BALCONY RAIL, THERE WILL BE NO ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE GARAGE.
IN ADDITION, A NINE FOOT FIVE AND A HALF INCH BY 18 FOOT SIX AND A HALF INCH, 162 SQUARE FOOT
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GAZEBO WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE REAR OF THE HOME, IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE.STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF NO ADDED DORMER AND NO DOORS BETWEEN THE SETS OF WINDOWS.
ON THE SECOND STORY CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGN TO SPEAK.
UM, I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? CORRECTION? UM, THE, THE OWNER IS HERE TO SPEAK.
I JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE FOR, FOR NOT ALLOWING THE, THE DOOR AND THE DORMERS IF THIS IS NON-CONTRIBUTING AND IT'S IN THE BACK.
SO, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE DORMERS, UH, SECTION FOUR OF THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES IN CHANGES TO EXISTING BUILDINGS, UM, IT PREFACE THE SECTION BY SAYING, SINCE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ALREADY DO NOT SUPPORT THE HISTORIC QUALITIES OF THE DISTRICT, THE CRITERIA FOR MAKING CHANGES TO THEM ARE LESS STRICT THAN THOSE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
HOWEVER, THE VISUAL QUALITIES OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES STILL IMPACT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO MANY CHANGES TO THEM MUST BE MANAGED.
SO THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY SECTION FOUR, PART 36, UM, SAYS, LOCATE A NEW SINGLE DORMER AND A LOCATION THAT IS TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND ON THE SIDE OF THE ROOF THAT IS AS CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT AS POSSIBLE.
DO NOT LOCATE A NEW DORMER ON A FRONT FACING ROOF.
SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFY BETWEEN CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO STAFF INTERPRETS KIND OF AS A RULE OF THUMB, AND THIS IS A GARAGE, NOT A HOUSE.
HOWEVER, STAFF FEELS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS INSTRUCTIVE.
UM, AND ASK FOR THE FRENCH DOORS.
UH, STAFF FELT THE FRENCH DOORS CREATE A CONGESTED LIGHT PATTERN THAT IS DISTRACTING FROM THE MAIN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, WE TYP TYPICALLY GO FOR SIMPLISTIC DESIGNS ON ADDITIONS AND NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, UNLESS THE MAIN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR.
IF I MAY ASK, SO ON THE DORMER, IF THE DORMERS WERE PROPOSED ON THE SIDES OR REAR OF THIS STRUCTURE, THEN STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THAT ASPECT OF THE APPLICATION? YES, CORRECT.
AND, UM, MEMBERS OF STAFF, NOT INCLUDING MYSELF, UM, HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE OWNER BEFORE AND KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP, BUT, UM, HE WANTS TO KEEP IT ON THE FRONT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, ANY, MAYBE IT'S FOR THE COMMISSION, MAYBE IT'S FOR STAFF.
WHAT IS OUR AUTHORITY OVER NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES? WELL, I GUESS I WOULD ASK LEGAL.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACTUAL GUIDELINES FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WHICH IS, UM, I THINK WHY STAFF HAS READ THE LANGUAGE.
BUT I, I MEAN, I'LL JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
I MEAN, FOR, FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITHIN A DISTRICT, THE GUIDELINES PROVIDE SOME DETAIL INTO WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT CONTROL.
THAT'S WHY STAFF IS RELYING ON THAT LANGUAGE IN THE GUIDELINES.
DID THEY MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, UH, THE MAIN BUILDING AND A GARAGE APARTMENT? OR DO THEY TREAT THE GARAGE APARTMENT THE SAME AS THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE GUIDELINES? 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER READING A SPECIFIC DISTINCTION THERE.
I DON'T RECALL IF THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE.
'CAUSE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT MOST RECENTLY.
THE PART THAT I READ IS, UH, WHAT I HAVE, UM, WHENEVER I DID RESEARCH ON IT, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT I READ, IS WHAT SUPPORTS THAT.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE READING IT, THE WORD YOU WERE USING WAS HOUSE NOT, NOT ACCESSORY BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WHAT I RECALL FROM THE CONVERSATIONS BACK WHEN THESE WERE WRITTEN, THEY WERE FOCUSED ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THEY WERE, THOSE WERE THE DISCUSSIONS.
I DON'T RECALL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GARAGES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I THINK TYPICALLY WE WERE MORE LENIENT ON GARAGE APARTMENTS AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T UPSTAGE THE HOUSE.
WELL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT IT IS FAIRLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK DOWN THE, THE VIEW LINE THERE.
ANY OTHER, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WONDERING ABOUT BECAUSE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, I MEAN, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, THIS HOUSE HAVE, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE.
BUT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, UH, THE EXISTING ON PAGE FIVE, THE CENTER OF THE GARAGE ISN'T VISIBLE.
IT'S MOSTLY THE RIGHT HAND EDGE THAT IS VISIBLE.
SO THE RIGHT THIRD OF THE BUILDING, IT'S FRONT FACING.
BUT I, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
HOW, HOW VISIBLE IS IT FROM THE STREET? UM, I DO HAVE SOME OTHER PICTURES, UM, BESIDES THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW THAT SHOW THE VISIBILITY.
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WHENEVER YOU ARE KIND OF AT AN ANGLE, YOU CAN START TO SEE WHERE THE DORMER IS GONNA BE PROPOSED TO BE PLACED.AND THEN MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? PLEASE? UM, IS THE DORMER DEEMED TO BE REQUIRED TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE ENOUGH CEILING HEIGHT TO HAVE AN APARTMENT IN THAT AREA? IS IT NECESSARY? IS IT, IS IT THERE FOR AESTHETIC REASONS OR FOR SORT OF FUNCTIONAL REASONS? UM, THE OWNER IS HERE.
UM, HE'S GONNA SPEAK MORE ON THAT, UM, MOMENTARILY.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE STAFF AT THIS TIME? I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UM, SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UM, WHICH IS PAUL SCHOENFELD.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD AFTERNOON AND UH, THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU ALL DO BECAUSE, UH, I ENJOY LIVING IN THE HEIGHTS AND, UH, I ENJOY THE CHARACTER OF THE HEIGHTS AS WELL.
UM, WHAT I TRY TO DO WITH, UH, THE DESIGN OF THIS GARAGE APARTMENT IS IF YOU SEE THE PICTURES, IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE AND IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, RENOVATED IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ME IT'S AN EYESORE AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE, BUT, UH, HAD TO DIGEST THE, UH, FRONT HOUSE FIRST.
UM, A FEW THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS GARAGE APARTMENT IS NUMBER ONE I WANTED TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WITH IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPECIFICALLY THE HOUSE.
AND I HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THE STAFF AND, AND IN FACT, WITH REGARDS TO THE DORMER, I, I ACTUALLY HAD A MUCH LARGER DORMER.
AND AFTER HAVING A A BIT OF, UH, CONVERSATION AROUND THAT, I, I REDUCED IT BY LIKE 50% 'CAUSE IT WAS QUITE LARGE.
AND ACTUALLY I THOUGHT IT LOOKS BETTER.
BUT THE REASON I WANTED A, OR THE REASON I'M PROPOSING A DORMER IS REALLY FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT BECAUSE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, SLIGHT.
UM, AND IT'S, I THINK THE HEIGHT IS 22 FEET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HEAD SPACE OR LIGHT.
SO THE WAY I'VE DESIGNED IT, I PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE LAYOUT, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE HOME OR THE GARAGE APARTMENT.
IT REALLY PROVIDES SOME ADDITIONAL HEAD SPACE AND, AND NATURAL LIGHT TO COME IN.
AND, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, FRENCH DOORS IN A SECOND.
I DID LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WAYS OF RECONFIGURING TO PUT THE, UH, DORMER ON THE SIDE.
AND I THINK I'VE INCLUDED SOME RATIONALE FOR THAT AS WELL.
THE DORMER ON THE, IF I WERE TO PUT IN THE BACK, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WOODWORK, POSSIBLY WITH THE CONFIGURATION, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CABLES GOING ACROSS THAT COULD BE A SAFETY HAZARD FOR EVEN, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WOULD TOUCH THE HEIGHT OF THE DORMER.
IT, IT REALLY TAKES THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE APARTMENT LAYOUT AND DESTROYS IT
AND, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, MY INTENT WAS TO PUT SOME SOLAR PANELS AS WELL, SO THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
SO, AND I DID LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER HAVING A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE STAFF AND I DID FIND A NUMBER OF, UH, DORMERS THAT, UH, ARE ON HOMES SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE HEIGHTS ON HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
I, UM, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM MAY BE, YOU KNOW, PRE-DESIGN GUIDELINES, BUT, UM, I DID FIND A COUPLE OF HOMES AS WELL THAT DID HAVE THE DORMERS ON THE FRONT FACING IN THE BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KINDA ALIGN WITH WHAT I HAD PROPOSED.
UM, I'M GLAD THE ONE COMMENT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY THAT'S WHY I WAS A BIT SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS EVEN, UM, A BIT OF, UH, PUSHBACK.
MOTION GENERAL, DO I MOTION MOTION MOTIONS? FIGURE MORE TIME IS A SECOND.
IS IT OKAY IF I CONTINUE FOR AYE? YEAH, PLEASE CONTINUE.
AYE, THE WAY I INTERPRETED THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS WELL WAS MORE SO THAT THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE TO PUT IT ON THE SIDE OR IN THE BACK.
UM, NOT SO MUCH THE, THE GARAGE, I, I LOOK BACK AFTER THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND I, I DIDN'T FIND IT VERY CLEAR.
UH, IN FACT, I, I I THOUGHT IT ONLY WAS SPECIFIC TO THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO LAST COMMENT REGARDS TO THE, UH, FRENCH DOORS, I, I DID, THEY DON'T, UM, REFLECT THAT ON THE, ON THE, UH, DIAGRAM, BUT I DID SIMPLIFY IT.
I MADE A NOTE THAT I WOULD SIMPLIFY, NOT HAVE THE, AS MUCH, UH, THE GRIDS, UH, ON THERE.
AND I'M EVEN OKAY WITH NOT HAVING ANY GRIDS
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AND JUST HAVING TWO DOORS IF THAT WOULD SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS.EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE REALLY VISIBLE MUCH AT ALL AS, AS WELL AS A DORMER, EXCEPT FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE GARAGE APARTMENT.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? EITHER ATTENDING THE, IN THE ROOM PERSONALLY OR VIRTUALLY? YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER? SIR, DO YOU KNOW THE AGE OF YOUR MAIN HOUSE? I MEAN, IS IT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT? DO YOU KNOW? MY UNDERSTANDING, THE MAIN HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1940, I BELIEVE SO THE SAME AGE.
DO WE KNOW TAYLOR IF IT'S, IS THE HOUSE ITSELF CONTRIBUTING 1940? YEAH, BUT THE HOUSE IS TOO.
UM, THE HOUSE, IT WAS BUILT IN 1940, BUT IT'S CONTRIBUTING.
I TRIED TO ACTUALLY GO BACK AND LOOK INTO RECORDS BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE EARTH AND HELPED ME OUT.
BUT I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THE RECORDS SAY, BUT I KNOW THE GARAGE APARTMENT WASN'T BUILT IN 1940, WHICH I THINK IT SHOWS IN THE APPRAISAL OF DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO THE, SO THE HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTING AND THE GARAGE IS MARKED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING, THAT'S HOW IT'S LISTED? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR TAYLOR.
UH, I'M GOING BACK TO THE PRESENTATION PAGE SEVEN OF 24.
THERE, THERE ARE TWO PICTURES THERE, PHOTOS.
UH, SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH YOU AGAIN THAT THE HOUSE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS CURRENTLY AS OF TODAY, CORRECT.
WITH THE SIMPLISTIC STYLE NO DORMERS, RIGHT? NO FANCY GRITS, NO GRILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'VE DONE, UM, A RECENT SITE VISIT.
WELL I SAW THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
I'M GONNA ASK IF THEY, ANY, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER ATTENDING VIRTUALLY OR IN THE ROOM.
IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I GUESS COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS OR IS THERE A MOTION THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO BRING? I, I, I KIND OF, THE DORMER DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME.
I THINK THE THING THAT'S DISTRACTING IS IT'S GOT THREE WINDOWS AND SO THE TWO AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS PAIRED.
IF IT JUST HAD TWO WINDOWS AND IT WAS MORE THE SAME WIDTH AS THE DOORS BELOW, IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE LESS IT JUMBLY.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THE, THE FACT THAT THE GARAGE IS CONTRIBUTING OR NOT REALLY ISN'T A FACTOR FOR ME.
IF IT WAS BUILT AROUND THE SAME PERIOD AND THE HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTING, THEN WE NEED TO RESPECT COMMISSIONER CASTER.
YOU MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE DORMER A SINGLE DORMER WERE SAY THE WIDTH OF THE PAIR OF DOORS BELOW? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING SOMETHING LIKE SIX, SEVEN FEET AND I HAD TWO, TWO OF THESE SQUARE WINDOWS INSTEAD OF THREE.
I PERSONALLY, IT'S THE FRENCH DOORS FOR ME THAT, THAT ARE INCONGRUENT WITH THIS, THE FRENCH DOOR AND THE CRESSMAN DOOR TOGETHER.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT BECAUSE THE DOOR BEFORE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A FRENCH DOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WELL, I JUST MEAN THE, THE, THE MUCKING UP OF ADDING A A THIRD OPENING THERE IN BETWEEN THE TWO ORIGINAL IS WHAT'S, IS WHAT, UH, I THINK IS DISTRACTING AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
WHAT ABOUT IF THEY JUST DID ANOTHER SET OF WINDOWS THERE? TO ME IT WOULD BE A TRADE OFF FOR THE DORMER OR THE SET OF WINDOWS.
I MEAN THE, THE DOORS ARE INOPERABLE WITH THAT JULIET BALCONY, RIGHT? SO YES, TO ME, I WOULD TRADE THE DORMER FOR THE PAIR OF WINDOWS OR VICE VERSA.
DO WE, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON THERE.
IT'S A TWO STORY GARAGE BEHIND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT GREAT TREE COVER RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT IS GONNA BE VISIBLE.
MY CONCERN IS THAT IF, IF GOING WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE SIMPLISTIC THAN THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, YET THE ADDITION OF THE DORMER, THE JULIET, UH, UH, UH, BASICALLY BALCONY AND THE GRILLS ARE JUST OVERCOMING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE,
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ORIGINAL, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS VERY SIMPLISTIC IN STYLE.SO TO ME, UH, THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
IF THE DORMER WAS PUT IN THE BACK, THAT'S NOT A PURVIEW BECAUSE THE, THE, THE OWNER WANTED TO USE IT FOR A REASON.
IF IT IS FACING THE BACK, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN TO, BUT THEN TO REMOVE THE DOORS AND ESPECIALLY THE GRILL AND THE JULIET, UH, UH, I GUESS THE, UH, WILL BE THE KEY TO THING BECAUSE I, THAT IS TAKING TOO MUCH ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
BUT I THINK THE FRONT PORCH ON THE HOUSE, THE WAY IT COMES OUT OF THE ROOF LINE, KIND OF INTERRUPTS THE ROOF LINE AND DOESN'T SEEM TOTALLY OUTTA CHARACTER WITH THE WAY THIS DORMER IS.
'CAUSE, 'CAUSE IT, IT ALMOST READS LIKE IT'S STARTING TO BECOME A DORMER.
BUT, UH, I THINK THE FRENCH DOORS ARE A LITTLE, A LITTLE STRANGE LOOKING ON THIS GARAGE BASED ON THE MUTTON PATTERN.
WELL, YEAH, JUST ADDING THE TWO DOORS.
'CAUSE YOU COULD OPEN 'EM, BUT I GUESS IT'S FOR VENTILATION OR SOMETHING.
BUT IF IT WAS TWO WINDOWS, THEN IT WOULD BE A ROW OF THREE WINDOWS THAT WOULD LINE UP KIND OF WITH THE THREE OPENINGS BELOW AND LOOK A LITTLE MORE, MAYBE EVEN A SINGLE WINDOW.
BUT THAT'S THE LIVING ROOM OR SOMETHING.
HE MIGHT WANT MORE LIGHT IN THERE, BUT IT'S COMMENDABLE TO WORK ON THIS RATHER THAN TEAR IT DOWN, WHICH YOU COULD DO.
SO, AND WHAT HE IS DOING IS NOT TOTALLY OUTTA LINE.
WELL, I THINK THE NATURAL LIGHT WILL BE A BENEFIT, HOWEVER IT CAN BE ACHIEVED.
I USED TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT LIKE THIS WHEN I FIRST GOT OUTTA COLLEGE, SO I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS KIND OF TYPOLOGICAL STRUCTURE.
UM, AND I, WE DIDN'T HAVE A NORM OR ANY KIND OF NATURAL LIGHT.
SO, UM, WELL I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE'S TOO MANY IDEAS OUT THERE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD DEFER THIS OR SOMETHING AND SEE IF, I MEAN, IF THE OWNER'S AGREEABLE TO IT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION PLEASE?
AND IN PLACE OF THE FRENCH DOORS, WE ADD TWO WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE OTHER TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT.
EXACT SIZE AND LIGHT PATTERN AND SPECIES, WHATEVER THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE WOOD, THAT THEY WOOD WINDOWS AND THEN THE DORMER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY WITH ONLY TWO WINDOWS.
ONE WITH A ONE LIGHT PATTERN WINDOW.
AND THAT DORMER THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS NO MORE THAN THE WIDTH OF THE DOORS, THE, UH, OPENINGS BELOW OR, OR IS YOUR MOTION INTENDED TO KEEP THE DORMER THE WIDTH THAT IT IS? I DON'T MEAN TO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DORMER WIDTH THE WAY THAT IT IS.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU GET RID OF THE DOORS, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A SIX FOOT OPENING.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE A FOUR FOOT OPENING OR FIVE FOOT FOR THE TWO WINDOWS.
BUT, BUT THESE WINDOWS LOOK WIDER THAN THE DOOR IN THE PICTURES, THE WINDOWS.
WELL THEN THE QUESTION IS WHAT I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE DORMER BEING SIX FEET WIDE, THAT MATCHES THE TWO WINDOWS BELOW IT.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
DO WE NEED, I THINK THAT'S PREFERABLE.
CAN YOU RESTATE AGAIN YOUR, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION PLEASE? SURE.
SO, SO THE MOTION IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, THE DORMER BE ALLOWED, BUT NO MORE THAN THE WIDTH OF THE, OF OPENING BELOW IT.
WHICH WHAT WE SURMISE IS SIX FEET WITH TWO WINDOWS IN THE DORMER, NO DIVIDED LIGHT, THAT THE FRENCH DOORS BE REPLACED WITH TWO WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF EXACT SIZE, HEIGHT, AND SPECIES AND LIGHT PATTERN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'LL SECOND THAT.
SO LET ME, LET ME, UH, I'LL OPEN UP TO A PUBLIC HEARING SO THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK, HAS AN APPETITE FOR THIS.
WOULD THE OWNER LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS DISCUSSION? MY, THE HOUSE DIRECTLY SOUTH ON 1418 JUST BUILT A NEW GARAGE APARTMENT IN 2019.
SO POST DESIGN, THEY HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
TWO DOORS WITH, UH, UH, THE JULIET, I GUESS BALCONIES, WHAT YOU CALL IT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE REMOVING ALL THE GRIDS, JUST HAVING THEM DOORS LIKE THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY OR THE DOOR BELOW TODAY IS JUST ONE SOLID, UH, OPEN PANE IF THAT WOULD SATISFY.
I PREFER TO KEEP THE DOORS, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S A LOT OF ANGST AROUND THAT, I MEAN MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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YOU.UM, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION HAS AN APPETITE FOR THE DOORS, HONESTLY.
UH, JUST TRYING TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
OTHERWISE YOU GET A DEFERRAL, UH, AND THEN YOU'RE BACK HERE IN 30 DAYS.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL DETERMINE WHAT COMMISSION, I MEAN AS, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER C WILL WILL FALL ON, ON ITEM TILL IT VOTES.
I MEAN, I MEAN I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE YET, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION, YOU CAN REVISE YOUR MOTION, I BELIEVE IF YOU WI WISH TO, IF THAT VOTE THEN OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
COMMISSIONER BARKLEY, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY.
UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, AND APPRECIATE THE ATTACHMENT TO THE DORMER BECAUSE IT SEEMS FROM THE PLAN ON PAGE 16 THAT THERE IS A KIND OF WOODEN BEAM AND CEILING FAN UNDERNEATH IT.
IT'S REALLY ON THE INTERIOR, QUITE A CENTRAL FEATURE.
ONE THING I THINK IS WORTH CONSIDERING IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A DORMER, LIKE THE ONE ON PAGE, UH, RIGHT.
SO YOU SEE THE, IT SAYS WOODEN BEAM CEILING FAN.
THERE'S A WHOLE SORT OF APPARATUS IN THE DORMER, THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT OF THE ROOM.
THE LIVING ROOM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT FEET.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT JUST GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE OF LOFTINESS.
SO ONE THING I WAS WONDERING IS THE STYLE OF DORMER ON PAGE NINE WHERE THE FRONT OF THE DORMER IS ESSENTIALLY CONTINUOUS WITH THE FACADE OF, OF THE, UH, BUILDING BELOW IT'S PAGE NINE, WHICH SHOWS SOME HOUSES OR GARAGES FROM THE CONTEXT AREA.
SO THE LOWER RIGHT THERE, UM, I WONDER IF THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DORMER OR FRENCH DOORS QUESTION, MAYBE THAT DORM KIND OF DORMER WITH THE PAIR OF WINDOWS AND NOTHING DIRECTLY BELOW IT, BUT THE DOOR.
BUT THOSE TWO EXISTING WINDOWS WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE SIMPLE FACADE WOULD KEEP THE DORMER.
I SUPPOSE WHAT THEN I'M WONDERING IS ARE WE NOW ENTERING INTO THE TERRITORY OF BECOMING DESIGNERS AND TRYING TO SPECIFY DESIGN? THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN ABOUT THE MOTION.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THIS OFFERS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING SIMPLICITY BUT ADDING A DORMER.
UM, BUT I, IT WOULD TAKE THE DOORS AWAY, WHICH I, I THINK IS, I KIND OF AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WEDO JACKSON, THAT IT'S A QUESTION OF THE TONE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
ONCE YOU START TO ADD LIKE MORE WINDOWS AND DOORS TO THE, THEN MAKE THE GARAGE SORT OF BUSIER, IT SORT OF SEEMS TO BREAK WITH THE TONE OF THE ORIGINAL.
SORRY, THAT WAS ABOUT THREE COMMENTS ROLLED INTO ONE THAT'S NOT WELL ACCEPTED.
UM, I'LL JUST, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAKELY.
I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON THAT WE ARE, WE ARE REMOVING ORIGINAL MATERIAL WITH THE ADDITION OF THOSE DOORS OR WINDOWS, WHICHEVER THEY ARE.
THEY'RE THE SAME, BUT HE CAN TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN.
I, I'M JUST, I THINK JUST NOTING, KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THAT IS, AND THEN HE COULD COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WE'D LIKE EVEN LESS BRAND NEW WITH FRENCH DOORS ON THE FRONT THAT JULIET BALCONY.
JUST LIKE, I'M JUST ADVOCATING FOR THE ORIGINAL
UH, YEAH, I THINK HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
UH, WHEN YOU STATED THAT, UH, IN REPLACEMENT OF THE FRENCH DOORS, YOU WANTED THE WINDOWS, UH, A DOUBLE, UH, PAIR OF WINDOWS TO BE THE EXACT SAME WIDTH OF THE ONES ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
OKAY, SO WHICH ARE WIDER THAN THE TWO DOORS EACH, EACH WINDOW IS WIDER THAN THIS.
SO THAT MEANS THERE IS THIS SIX WINDOWS ARE LIKE GOING BE ALMOST LIKE TOGETHER BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY MORE OF THE SIDING ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING TO CLARIFY, THAT'S WHAT HIS INTENT WAS TO YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS WHAT HIS INTENT IS.
AND IT WOULD, THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE WINDOW AND THE DOORS NOW WOULD BECOME SMALLER.
BUT YEAH, I I JUST REMINDED THE COMMISSION THAT THE APPLICANT COULD BRING FORTH THE APPLICATION TO TEAR DOWN THE GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE ACCEPTED AND THEN HE COULD COME BACK WITH A NEW DESIGN.
UM, AND I AM MINDFUL THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO WORK WITH EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THIS, THIS MATERIAL, WHICH IS FROM THE 1940S.
NONETHELESS, UM, I THINK THE BIG ISSUE I'M HEARING IS JUST THAT THE HOUSE IS VERY SIMPLIFIED IN FRONT AND IF THE GARAGE IS MORE ORNATE THAN WHAT'S IN THE FRONT, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S STILL HEARTBURN COMING FROM THAT,
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FROM THAT.SO IF, IF THINGS WERE MORE AND MORE SIMPLE, IT WOULD BE MORE, MORE WELL RECEIVED.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE A MOTION, I DO HAVE A SECOND AND I WILL LIKE TO CALL A VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
AND THEN, SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT AS WE'RE SCRUTINIZING THIS, IS THAT, I GUESS IN CONSIDERING THE MOTION, WHICH WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON FOR THE REASON YOU MENTIONED, I'M JUST POINT OUT WHAT WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN BUT HASN'T BEEN SAID YET, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S ERRORS IN THE HORIZONTAL DIMENSIONS HERE AND WE'LL EITHER HAVE TO MAKE OUR CHOICE BASED ON WHAT WE SEE GRAPHICALLY OR WHAT WE READ DIMENSIONALLY.
IT'S PART OF, FOR ME, THE CONFUSION HERE.
FOR INSTANCE, THE DORMER IS SHOWN TO BE FIVE FEET ACROSS, UM, BY DIMENSION, WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT'S DEPICTED.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GO BIOGRAPHICALLY WHAT WE SEE BECAUSE WE CAN ENSURE WE CAN ASK STAFF TO WHATEVER THE VOTE IS, THE ACTUAL DETERMINATION, THE STAFF CAN ASSURE THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF WHAT IS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED CAN BE MAINTAINED.
I, I, I WOULD JUST SAY I, I WOULD, I WOULD FOCUS ON WHAT WE SEE THE PROPORTIONS OF WHAT WE SEE.
I THINK THAT'S A BETTER, UM, THAT THAT'S CLOSER TO OUR, OUR, OUR ORDINANCE.
AND KIM, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGEST, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THE, THE NUMBERS AND THE WORDS WILL CONTROL OVER THE PICTURES.
SO IF IT LOOKS DIFFERENT PROPORTIONALLY IN THE PICTURE, IT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE DIMENSIONS THAT ARE STATED IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, SECOND, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION REGARDING THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION ON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, I PULLED UP THE, THE STANDARDS AND CHAPTER SIX SPECIFICALLY DOES APPLY TO NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS FOR THE QUALITATIVE STANDARDS.
AND I'LL READ YOU JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, ADDITIONS TO NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE AND PROPORTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS IN THE CONTEXT AREA.
THIS APPLIES TO THE BUILDING OVERALL AS WELL AS TO INDIVIDUAL BUILDING ELEMENTS.
AND IT GOES FURTHER INTO DORMERS.
I CAN PULL THAT UP IF Y'ALL LIKE, BUT UM, SURE YOU DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY OVER THE, WELL, IN THIS CASE THOUGH, THE MOTION IF ACCEPTED PRESCRIBES THAT THERE WOULD BE, WOULD ALLOW FOR DORM A DORMER, BUT THERE WOULD BE TWO WINDOWS, UH, TO TWO WINDOWS, I GUESS MATCHING THE PROPORTIONS OF TWO OF THE THREE WINDOWS CURRENTLY, BUT WITH ONLY ONE LIGHT EACH.
SO THE SIZE OF THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY WHAT WE SEE IN THE DRAWING.
I, I THINK, UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSION OF THE, EACH WINDOW, UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT DIMENSION AT MY DISPOSAL.
MAY I POINT SOMETHING OUT PLEASE? UM, ON THE DORMER, UM, UM, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER AND MYSELF, WE NOTICED THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE BOTTOM IS MEASURED AT FIVE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, THERE'S AN ARROW POINTING AT THAT DI THAT LINE GOING ACROSS HORIZONTALLY THAT SAYS EIGHT.
SO WHENEVER WE LOOKED AT THE REST OF THE PIC, THE DRAWINGS, WE DETERMINED THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I CLASSIFIED IT THREE BY EIGHT IN MY DESCRIPTION.
SO THE, THE MOTION THEN WOULD BE A THREE BY SIX PROPORTION BASED ON THE, THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? SORRY, I'M JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE THE PROJECT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING GARAGE AND THE GUY CAN GET STARTED.
IF THE COMMISSION IS NOT WILLING TO DESIGN ON THE FLY, THEN, THEN, THEN VOTE DOWN THE AMENDMENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND WE CAN DEFER AND MOVE AND LET HIM COME BACK TO THE TABLE WITH SOMETHING NEW.
BUT I'M JUST, I JUST POINT CLARIFICATION.
CAN THE, THE DORMER, I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION TO REPLACE THE PAIR OF FIVE OH FRENCH DOORS WITH A PAIR OF 6 0 1 OVER ONE MIMICKING THE MATERIALS IN THE PATTERN OF THE TWO FLANKING THE FRENCH DOORS AS IT'S DRAWN ON THE DORMER.
DOES THE MOTION INCLUDE REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THE DORMER TO SIT ON TOP OF THE SIX OH, OR DOES IT MAINTAIN THE EIGHT FOOT DORMER WHICH TERMINATES ON THE SIDE AND THE INTERIOR EXTERIOR OF THOSE TWO EXISTING WINDOWS REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE DORMER TO THE WIDTH OF THE CENTER WINDOW.
OF THE CENTER WINDOW, WHICH WOULD BE SIX FEET WIDE.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, ARE THE, ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ALL BRAND NEW? OKAY, WELL I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PHOTO WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE LINED UP OVER THE CENTER OF THE GARAGE DOOR.
BUT IN THE DRAWING, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT LINED UP OVER THE CENTER OF THE GARAGE DOOR, WHICH SQUEEZES THE CENTER.
SO IF THOSE WINDOWS STAY IN THE HOLE AND ARE CENTERED OVER THE GARAGE DOOR, NOW THERE'S MORE WIDTH IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH MAKES IT LESS LOOK LESS AWKWARD BY PUTTING THREE SETS OF DOUBLE WINDOWS IN THERE.
AND THEN THE DORMER IS THE SAME WIDTH AS THE CENTER DOUBLE WINDOW WITH TWO WINDOWS IN IT.
THEREBY SIMPLIFYING THE DESIGN, NOT OVERWHELMING THE DESIGN OF A SIMPLIFIED HOUSE AND ALLOWING THE GENTLEMAN TO MOVE FORWARD AND START WORKING.
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I UNDERSTOOD THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF LEGAL NEEDS MORE CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.
CAN, CAN WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING WHEREBY WE KNOW EITHER THE DRAWING IS WRONG OR THE DIMENSIONS ARE WRONG.
IF ONLY IF WE CAN DESCRIBE IT IN CLEAR, IN CLEAR LANGUAGE.
WELL, IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST WE'VE SENT THESE PRADA PROJECTS BACK WHEN THE, YEAH, WHEN THE GARAGE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES ON THESE DRAWINGS.
CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE INTENDS TO USE THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS OVER THE GARAGE? I MEAN IN, IN THE DRAWING, UM, OF THE EXISTING, THE WINDOWS ARE IN THE INCORRECT ARE LOCATED INCORRECTLY APPARENTLY.
SO IS THAT JUST A MISHAP, UM, TO THE APPLICANT? IS THAT JUST A MISHAP IN THE, CAN WE BRING THAT ELEVATION UP ON THE SCREEN OF THE EXISTING IN THE, IN THE DRAWING THERE, OR I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 13 OF 24, WHICH IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING GARAGE WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE CENTERED OVER THE GARAGE DOORS.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GO TO PAGE, OH GOD, I CAN'T SEE 19, BOTH THE EXISTING ELEVATION AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS SHOWED THOSE WINDOWS MOVED TOWARDS THE CENTER SO THAT THE, THEY'RE LINING UP WITH THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
IS THAT JUST HOW IT'S REPRESENTED HERE OR IS THAT YOUR INTENTION, MR. SCHOEN FIELDS? COULD YOU APPROACH COMMISSIONER JONES? I THAT PAGE FOR THE RECORD? YEAH, MY APOLOGIES.
I, THE DIAGRAM WITH THE EXISTING ELEVATION DOES HAVE THE WINDOWS IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, MORE TOWARDS, SO THEY SHOULD BE THE, THE ORIGINAL, UH, WINDOWS WERE MORE CENTERED IN THE GARAGE.
AND YOUR INTENTION IS TO USE THOSE EXISTING HOLES WHEN YOU REPLACE THE WINDOWS? CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, PLEASE, MR. CURRY? ONE OPTION HERE WOULD BE FOR US TO DEFER THE PROJECT SO THAT IT COULD BE PRESENTED MORE CLEARLY.
I'M, I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION ABOUT THAT.
UM, GIVEN THE, THE AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION I WOULD, UH, LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION AND MOVE IT AHEAD IF POSSIBLE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO YEAH, APOLOGIES AGAIN ON THAT ONE ITEM.
NOT, NOT TO NITPICK IT, UH, JUST NO, IT'S FINE.
LIKE, UH, AGAIN, I REITERATE, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO, YOU KNOW, TO UH, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND, UM, SHARE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF GETTING IT RIGHT GOING FORWARD WITH THE TOTAL PROPERTY.
SO IF I CAN RESTATE THE MOTION.
ESSENTIALLY THE MOTION IS THAT THE TWO EXISTING DOUBLE WINDOW OPENINGS WILL REMAIN, UH, THE SIZE WILL REMAIN BUT WITH NEW WINDOWS.
AND THEN THE MOTION WOULD ALLOW ANOTHER SET OF DOUBLE WINDOWS MATCHING THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING OPENINGS IN THE CENTER AND ABOVE THEM THERE WOULD BE, UM, THIS COMMISSION WOULD ALLOW, OR THIS BY THIS VOTE MOTION TO ALLOW TWO DORMER WINDOWS ABOVE THAT WOULD BE THE SAME WIDTH AS THE TWO NEW WINDOWS BELOW.
IS THAT, IS THAT, AND THAT AND THAT THOSE DORMERS WOULD BE A SINGLE LIGHT PATTERN AND THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE, THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING REPLACING THE TWO FRENCH DOORS WOULD MATCH THE LIGHT PATTERNS ON THE EXISTING WINDOWS TO LEFT AND RIGHT.
THAT IS, THAT IS A MOTION THAT IS A SECOND.
AND WITHOUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? NAY? NAY? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES AND THE NAY WAS COMMISSIONER YAP AND BLAKELY.
OH, AND UH, COMMISSIONER STAAVA ALSO VOTED.
OKAY, WE WERE GONNA MOVE ON NOW I BELIEVE TO ITEM NUMBER 5 7 6 10 ROCK HILL STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON SAMANTHA DELEON.
I SUBMIT ITEM A FIVE AT 76 10 ROCK HILL STREET IN THE GLEN BROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A COA FOR WINDOW ALTERATIONS IN OCTOBER, 2021.
THE APPLICATION INCLUDED A WINDOW WORKSHEET FOR REPLACEMENT OF SIX ALUMINUM WINDOWS FOR VINYL WINDOWS AFTER A SITE VISIT BY STAFF.
THE APPLICATION WITH WAS WITHDRAWN IN MARCH, 2022.
ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2023, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A 3 0 1 COMPLAINT FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ON NOVEMBER 7TH, AN INSPECTOR OBSERVED THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS HAD BEEN REPLACED FROM INSET ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO RESET VINYL MORPHY WINDOWS AND ISSUED ONE RED TAG.
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APPLICANT CALLED THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023 AND APPLIED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023.STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS THE SCOPE OF THE WORK DOES NOT SATISFY CRITERIA ONE AND THE ISSUANCE OF A COR REQUIRING REVERSION TO INSET ALUMINUM WINDOWS CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE APPLICANT IS VIRTUAL AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS ITEM? YES, CALL 'EM, COMMENT, PLEASE PROCEED.
THEY DID NOT SUB, THEY DID NOT SUBMIT TO OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD THE, AS FAR AS THE CIVIC CLUB OR THE UH, REVIEW BOARD, WE'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM THEM.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF ON THIS ITEM? SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REPLACE THEM WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO HAVE THEM, UM, REVERTED BACK.
SO DO WE, THERE WAS A COMPANY THAT MADE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT THEN I HEARD THAT IT STOPPED MAKING ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THAT SEEMED TO BE OUR ONLY OPTION.
SO DO WE HAVE AN ACTUAL OPTION FOR ALUMINUM WINDOWS CURRY OR THAT TO BUY THEY INFORMATION? THERE MAY BE A COMPANY THAT SAID THEY WERE NO LONGER GONNA BE MAKING ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT IT WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE.
IT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT MADE MILL FINISH BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER ONES MAKE PAINTED.
I CAN'T PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE.
UM, I I DO KNOW THAT THE ONE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER COUCH IS, IS MENTIONING IT WAS JUST THE CHEAPEST ONE, BUT, BUT WE KEEP TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO MILL FINISH 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE.
I DON'T HAVE THE NAMES OF, WE LOOKED AT DONAN WINDOWS ON THAT TOUR AND WE SAID WE DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE ACCEPTABLE.
THEY, THEY DON'T LOOK AT ALL THE SAME.
WELL, I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS CASE IS THE, THAT THE WINDOW LIGHT PATTERN HAS ALSO BEEN ALTERED.
UM, SO THAT THEY'RE JUST PICTURE WINDOWS LARGELY SO THAT THE, THE, THE DIVISION OF WINDOWS REPRESENTED BY THE ORIGINAL SASHES IS NO LONGER, UM, CONVEYED.
AND THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IS ANOTHER ISSUE IS JASON, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF TO DISCUSSION STILL HAVE TO, THERE IS WITH THIS WINDOWS SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, DOES WINDOWS THAT REFERENCE THAT ARE GOING OUT? THIS CREST MARK 100, BUT THE WINDOW SUBCOMMITTEE HAD FOUND ABOUT SIX OTHER WINDOW OPTIONS THAT ARE ALUMINUM THAT CAN BESET RECESSED.
AND THIS WAS, UH, BACK WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP TO STEVE CURRY BACK IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT A VINYL OPTION.
SO THERE'S STILL SIX VIABLE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND WE HAVE A BUT THAT HAD A SHEET HAVE WE CAN PROVIDE APPLICANTS OKAY.
THAT HAVE MILL FINISH BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER ONES WE SAW BEFORE, THEY'RE EITHER WHITE OR THEY'RE BEIGE.
SO THEY LOOK JUST LIKE THE VINYL WINDOWS WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED.
THOSE OTHER SIX, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE MILL FINISH.
WE DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALUMINUM.
IT'S JUST THAT THE CREST MARK 100 THAT WAS DONE BY THAT WINDOW CENTER DID PROVIDE A MILL FINISH.
BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A REAL KEY POINT IS THAT ALL THESE OLD WINDOWS WERE A MILL FINISH AND PART OF THE, THE DESIGN OF THEM IS THAT THEY ARE SILVER COLORED AND A WHITE WINDOW THAT'S ALUMINUM LOOKS LIKE A WHITE WINDOW THAT'S VINYL.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MILL FINISH WINDOW.
UH, MAYBE ASK THE WINDOWS SUBCOMMITTEE IF HE COULD DO YOU KNOW IF OTHER WINDOWS OR MILL FINISH.
I RECALL THAT THERE WERE OTHER MILL FINISH OPTIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN 2024 IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO CHECK AND SEE STILL IN PRODUCTION OF WHAT YEAH, AND I'D SAY EVEN OUTSIDE OF THIS, THIS CONVERSATION, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT THE END OF ONE OF OUR MEETINGS IN EDUCATION, UH, SESSION WHERE THE COMMITTEE COULD JUST SHOW US THESE ARE THE CURRENT MILL FINISH OPTIONS FOR LIVING ON WINDOWS SO THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION IS WELL AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY POST COVID ON WHAT THOSE OPTIONS LOOK LIKE.
MAYBE JUST WITH A SIMPLE PICTURE PICTURE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, WE'RE STILL STILL HERE TODAY WITH THIS APPLICATION.
IS THE APPLICANT ON THE PHONE? YES.
WELL LET, LET ME, LET ME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, WHICH IS, UM, MARISSA FLORES.
COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AND, AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND IF, CAN YOU GUIDE US WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? YES.
HI, IT'S UH, MARISSA FLORES AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOME.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, THE, THE REASON WHY IT ALL STARTED, IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED SINCE THE BEGINNING.
UM, WHENEVER WE PURCHASED THE HOME, WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT THAT'S, HAD WE KNOWN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, NOT GONE FOR.
UM, BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING, LIKE ALL THE RULES, IT'S,
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IT SEEMS LIKE AN HOA SOMETIMES.SO, BUT, UM, ALSO WANNA SAY THAT THE REASON WHY THE WORK WAS DONE ON THE WINDOWS WAS BECAUSE, UM, WE, THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAD WERE VERY OLD.
UM, WE LEARNED FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT THEY HAD NEVER BEEN EITHER REPAIRED OR REPLACED BEFORE.
UM, SO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PUT IN WERE FROM 1962.
UM, WE DO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOME.
WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN 2020, BUT WE JUST MOVED IN ABOUT A YEAR AGO BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL REASONS.
BUT ONCE WE MOVED IN AND WE GOT THAT FREEZE OVER, UH, LAST CHRISTMAS, UM, WE NOTICED HOW BAD THE WINDOWS WERE.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE NOT GLASS, THEY WERE PLASTIC, THEY WERE CRACKED.
SO, UM, THE MAIN REASON WAS FOR HEALTH PURPOSES.
UM, OUR KIDS WERE CONSTANTLY GETTING SICK.
UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY LOOKED MAY LOOK DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE HOME HOMES AROUND US, BUT IT WAS NOT THE, THAT WAS NOT THE MAIN REASON.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR WHY THE WORK WAS DONE.
UM, OF COURSE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO BETTER THEIR HOME AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE A CHANGE WHERE THE HOME LOOKS BETTER THAN IT DID BEFORE.
BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS DONE FOR HEALTH PURPOSES.
UM, SO I ALSO LEARNED THAT OUR HOME, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE STYLE OF GLENBROOK VALLEY.
SO WHERE DOES OUR HOME FALL? UNDER WHAT CATEGORY DOES IT FALL FOR? YOU KNOW, THE RULES ON EITHER DOOR CHANGES OR WINDOW REPLACEMENTS OR WINDOW REPAIRS.
UM, HOW DOES IT ALL FALL UNDER ONE CATEGORY WHEN THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SAME STRUCTURE.
THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.
I THINK STAFF CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT CONTRIBUTING VERSUS NON CONTRIBUTING.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A, I SEE A LOT OF FIXED PICTURE WINDOWS AND I, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHETHER SOME OF THESE WERE PUT ON BEDROOMS WHICH REQUIRE AN EGRESS WINDOW BY CODE FOR LIFE SAFETY, FOR ACTUAL SAFETY.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, THAT, THAT THAT'S ALSO, UH, THAT ISN'T APPLIED.
PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIGHT PATTERNS APPLIED TO US FOR OUR COMMISSION.
BUT, BUT ASIDE FROM WHAT WE DO THERE IS THERE IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE WITH WINDOW CHANGES AND MM-HMM
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALSO AN ISSUE IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD NOT BE FOR OUR PURVIEW, BUT I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED SAFETY, THE APPLICANT AND I, THAT IS A BIG ISSUE.
IF THERE WERE A FIRE TO GET TO BE ABLE TO EGRESS SAFELY OUT OF THE HOME, UM, THAT'S A PROVISION OF THE BUILDING CODE.
SO THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAD, UM, THE, I THINK THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO OPEN, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE SO OLD YOU COULDN'T OPEN THEM AT ALL.
UM, AND TWO OF THE ROOMS ARE FOR MY KIDS.
UM, WE DID HAVE SOMEONE COME AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOWS TO REPAIR, BUT IT WAS LIKE A SELF CONTRACT.
SO WE WERE ADVISED BY THIS PERSON TO REPAIR, UH, REPLACE THE WHOLE THING.
UM, WE HAD ROTTEN WOOD AROUND, I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURE OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
SO OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN AND MYSELF, I WAS PREGNANT AT THAT TIME.
SO, UM, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST ISSUE.
UM, UH, THIS IS ALL NEW TO US.
IT'S OUR FIRST HOME, SO I WOULD REALLY NOT LIKE TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT, UM, I REALLY HOPE THAT IF POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE COULD BE RECONSIDERED.
UM, WE NOW KNOW THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, DOING, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO OUR HOME.
UM, THE LAST HURRICANE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR AROUND THIS TIME ALSO DAMAGED OUR BACK ROOF.
SO NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO AND UM, I REALLY HOPE THAT, UM, WE ARE UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, AS A FAMILY OF A COMMUNITY THAT'S HISTORIC FOR THAT SAME REASON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
WELL, FOR ME, MY HUSBAND'S NOT HERE.
UH, YOUR TITLE COMPANY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU THE INFORMATION AND YOUR REALTOR AS WELL THAT YOU WERE MOVING INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND DO THOSE SOLID WINDOWS, DO THEY OPEN AT ALL? SO WE HAVE THE SIDE WINDOWS THAT WERE
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REPLACED.THEY DO OPEN, THE FRONT ONES DON'T, BUT THE SIDES DO.
THAT'S WHY WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THE SIDES TO BE TO OPEN IN CASE OF A FIRE.
SO THOSE, SO ONE OF 'EM, UM, LET ME LOOK AT THE PICTURE.
IF YOU GUYS, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE PICTURES ON YOUR YEAH.
BUT YOU, THERE'S STILL SOME ROTTEN WOOD THERE.
YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHY YOU REPLACED THE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE ROTTEN WOOD.
SO THAT'S THE ROTTEN WOOD IS STILL THERE.
NO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T, THEY COULDN'T DO WHEN THEY PUT THE NEW WINDOWS.
AND SOME OF 'EM, SOME OF 'EM THEN DON'T HAVE THE WOOD IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOS.
UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE.
UM, SO YES, UH, I WISH MY HUSBAND WAS HERE SO HE COULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO THOSE, THAT WOOD THAT YOU SEE WILL BE GETTING FIXED OR REPLACED, YOU KNOW, AS THE OUTCOME THAT WE GET FROM TODAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD EVEN DO ANYTHING ELSE TO FIX THAT, UM, AFTER TODAY.
SO, UM, YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT THOUGH ABOUT OUR REALTOR LETTING US KNOW.
WE HAD NO IDEA I HAD, HONESTLY TO GOD, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT HISTORIC THAT THERE WAS EVEN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN WHEN WE FOUND OUT.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I, I THINK WE, UM, I'LL JUST SHARE WITH YOU, WE, WE, WE SEE A LOT OF PROJECTS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, UH, DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION, UM, AND THEN COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION AFTERWARD.
AND I AM AWARE, OR I I'M UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WHICH AGAIN STATES THAT THESE HOMES ARE IN A SORT NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO THAT YOU NEED TO GET, UH, YOU NEED TO SUBMIT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS TO AS TO THIS COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER COLLUM, CAN YOU VERIFY THAT LANGUAGE? YES, IT IS, IT GOES OUT TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPIED HOUSES ONCE A MONTH, IT GOES THROUGH THE US MAIL AND UH, IT DOES HAVE IN THERE THE INFORMATION TO CONTACT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT AND THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR FIRST HOME.
UM, HONESTLY, I DON'T READ THOSE, UM, THIS, NOW I KNOW THAT I SHOULD.
UM, BUT SEE, THE THING OF IT IS, IS THE INFORMATION IS THERE FOR YOU, BUT YOU'VE CHOSEN NOT TO ACCEPT IT.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE BASICALLY, THAT'S NOT BASICALLY PAYING THE CONSEQUENCE.
NO, BECAUSE I, I TRULY, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIG ISSUE IS.
UM, THIS IS 2020, WE'RE IN 2024 NOW.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HONOR, YOU HAVE TO HONOR THE PAST.
BUT THE PAST WILL BE GONE IN A FEW YEARS FROM NOW.
SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE THEN, THEN IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? IT'S STILL FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THIS IS WHY THERE'S APPEALS BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, CAN I, I'M CLARIFICATION PLEASE.
I I JUST WANT FOR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A COA APP, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION IN 2017.
IS THAT CORRECT? TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS? YES.
SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A COA FOR WINDOW ALSO IN OCTOBER, 2021.
IN OCTOBER HOUSE WAS WHO THAT YOU PURCHASED SUBMITTED THE HOME IN 2020.
CHRISTIAN RIZZO, WHO IS HER HUSBAND, CORRECT.
OH, SO THEY KNEW IT WAS IN, YEAH.
SO THE COA WAS APPLIED FOR IN 2021 AFTER YOUR, YOUR FAMILY HAD PURCHASED THE HOME IN 2020.
THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER, MS. FLORES.
THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN FLIPPED SEVERAL TIMES.
IS MS. FLORES STILL ON THE LINE? OKAY, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE I HEARD STAFF SAY THERE WAS AN APPLICATION ON, ON I, ALL I DID WAS SIMPLY TYPE IN THE ADDRESS INTO PRESERVATION TRACKER AND FOUND THIS PREVIOUS APPLICATION WITH THE SAME NAME.
UM, AND WITH PICTURES THAT WERE FROM A SITE VISIT THAT WAS DONE BY A STAFF MEMBER AFTER, UH, THAT SITE VISIT, THE APPLICATION WITH WAS WITHDRAWN IN MARCH OF 2022.
I DON'T, UH, THERE WAS NOT ANY OTHER INFORMATION.
THERE WAS NOT A DRAFT OF THE STAFF REPORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2021.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, MS. FLORES, I MEAN, I, I, UM, I SYMPATHIZE 'CAUSE I HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT 15 YEARS OLDER THAN YOURS THAT ARE THIS MILL FINISHED ALUMINUM SINGLE PAIN.
THEY'RE CHALLENGING TO TRY TO REPAIR.
UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS, IS LESS ABOUT THE, THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS,
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UM, THAT PROMPTED YOU TO REPLACE THEM AND MORE AT THIS POINT, IF, IF YOU KNEW THERE WAS A PROCESS, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IF THERE WAS AN APPLICATION APPLIED FOR IN 2021 UNDER YOUR OWNERSHIP, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE APOLOGY SEEMS A LITTLE INSINCERE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO FORWARD.UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY ANYWHERE.
MS. FLORES, PLEASE UNMUTE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
ON MOST CELL PHONES, IT'S STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
IF YOU'RE ON COMPUTER, THERE'S AN ICON LABELED MIC ON THE TOP RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN.
IF YOU'LL CLICK ON THAT, IT WILL REMOVE THE SLASH HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN NOW.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, SO WE FOUND OUT, UM, I ASKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF, YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW SOMEBODY KNEW A PERSON THAT COULD COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
THIS WAS BEFORE SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION IN 2022, I BELIEVE, OR 2021.
UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD TO SUBMIT SOME KIND OF FORM TO THIS WEBSITE, AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I SUBMITTED, IF YOU, IF YOU SEE ON THERE, THERE'S NO APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE.
I THINK IT WAS JUST THE WINDOW WORKSHEET.
UM, WHEN I DID SUBMIT THAT I GOT ASSIGNED A REPRESENTATIVE OR A CASEWORKER, SHE IS NO LONGER WITH YOU GUYS, BUT IT, IT GOT TO THAT POINT WHERE JUST SHE RECOMMENDED TO REPAIR.
AND THAT'S WHEN I LOOKED FOR THAT SELF CONTRACTOR TO COME AND LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
AND HE TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, THAT HE RECOMMENDED TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
AFTER THAT, WE, I HAD NO CONTACT ANY LONGER WITH, UM, THIS PERSON THAT WAS WITH YOU GUYS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICATION WAS WITHDRAWN.
UM, UP UNTIL NOW THAT I GOT THE RED TAG ON MY DOOR, I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS A FULL PROCESS TO WHERE YOU EVEN HAVE TO COME IN IN PERSON OR HAVE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY WITH STAFF OR A COMMITTEE.
UM, SO WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND WE TOLD THE WINDOW COMPANY, APPARENTLY WE NEED TO HAVE A, A PERMIT PULLED.
THE COMPANY DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT, AND THEN, UM, WE GET A RED TAG ON THE DOOR.
SO I DID TELL THEM WHEN I REACHED OUT, I SAID, HEY, UM, I DID LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO GET THE WINDOWS DONE, BUT IT APPARENTLY IT WASN'T DONE.
SO, UH, UP UNTIL NOW, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THE WINDOW BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY GOT THEIR MONEY AND NOW THEY DON'T ANSWER ME.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD SAID.
IF NOT OTHERWISE, I WOULDN'T HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF DOING THE WINDOWS AND BE HERE TALKING TO YOU GUYS.
NOW, UM, THERE'S NO REASON WHY I SHOULD LIE.
I I REALLY DON'T WANNA BE SIT, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT MY WINDOWS AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE TO PAY A FINE LATER.
I, I DON'T WANNA BE GOING THROUGH THAT.
SO, UH, WHAT WILL BE A GOOD RESOLUTION? YES, THE WINDOWS ARE GONE, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
I DON'T WANT TO END ON A BAD NOTE WITH ANYBODY.
THIS IS MY HOME AND IT'S MY KIDS' HOME.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD RESOLUTION YES.
FOR ALL OF US OR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND OUR, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO, TO MAKE THIS ANY MORE LABOR INTENSIVE OR COST INTENSIVE.
UM, I MEAN, CLEARLY THE CONTRACTOR, THE WINDOW SALESMAN THAT, THAT YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU WENT WITH WAS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE DISHONEST.
I, I WISH YOU COULD CALL THEM AND HAVE THEM REPLACE YOUR WINDOWS WITH A, A MATERIAL THAT WAS MORE, UM, THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE, UH, AS A REPLACEMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK REPLACING THESE EXISTING WINDOWS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION AS FAR AS I'M CON CONCERNED.
UM, UM, SO IS IT JUST THESE FOUR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT? YOU SAID THERE WERE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION AS WELL? IT'S JUST ONE, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S SIX WINDOWS.
IT'S THE FRONT AND THE SIDE AND THE KITCHEN.
THE REST OF THE HOUSE STILL HAS THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH I WISH I COULD REPLACE NOW BECAUSE THE COLD
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KEEPS COMING IN.UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST THOSE SIX.
WELL LET, UM, I'M GLAD IT WASN'T THE WHOLE HOUSE FROM A REPLACEMENT STANDPOINT.
UM, AND I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO, TO SEND YOU SOME, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME MEASURES THAT CAN HELP WEATHERIZE THOSE SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN REPLACING THE WINDOW.
UM, AND SO HOPEFULLY STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU TO COMMUNICATE, TO, TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE LINES, UM, OF INSETS THAT WILL HELP, UH, THAT WILL HELP WITH THE CLIMATE ISSUES.
BUT IN TERMS OF, OF GOING BACK TO AN INSET ALUMINUM MILL FINISH, ALUMINUM, UH, WINDOW, I, I GUESS I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF AND THE WINDOW SUBCOMMITTEE TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE AND ACCEPTABLE.
UM, SO HOW, HOW WOULD YOU REPLACE, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE EXPENSIVE.
LIKE, CAN I AFFORD TO REPLACE THEM AGAIN? NO, I CAN'T.
UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN, CAN WE DO IN REGARDS TO THAT? I, I MEAN, I'M STILL PAYING FOR THESE WINDOWS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WAS ABLE TO PAY OFF RIGHT OFF THE BAT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, I, I WANNA PUT MY PART INTO, UM, ENDING IT ON A GOOD NOTE, BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN DO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SITUATION THAT I'M IN NOW, I HAD TO DO SPEND THAT MONEY MONTHLY BECAUSE I CAN'T, I DIDN'T PAY IT OFF COMPLETELY.
SO, LIKE, CAN I SPEND MORE MONEY? I DON'T, I DON'T MONEY THAT I DON'T HAVE.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO, UM, IN REGARDS TO THAT MR. NEIL RESPECTFULLY NEED TO END THE CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE COR AND THEN LET HER WORK OUT WITH STAFF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT.
UH, AND ALSO I THINK IT'S ONLY BEFITTING THAT SHE BE GIVEN HER, HER, HER OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENTING THIS TO APPEALS AS WELL.
AND THEN GO AFTER THE WINDOW SALESMAN.
SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
IT'S A GUEST REPORT, IF YOU RECALL, PLEASE REPORTING THEM TO THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU A MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OKAY.
THIS WINDOW ON THE DRIVEWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT OPENS, BUT THE ONES IN THE FRONT DON'T OPEN.
WHY IS THE ONE ON THE DRIVEWAY OPEN BUT NOT THE ONES IN THE FRONT? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE LAYOUT THAT MY HUSBAND SELECTED.
UM, I WAS JUST TOLD THAT IT WILL BE SAFER FOR THE SIDE WINDOWS TO OPEN, NOT THE FRONT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU.
I HONESTLY, I WISH HE WAS HERE, BUT HE'S A PLUMBER AND HE'S REALLY BUSY DUE TO THE FREEZE.
SO, UM, HE, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
THAT'S WHY THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE HAVE THE OPENING AND NOT THE FRONT.
SO DO THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE THAT OPENING? LET'S, LET'S LET THEM WORK THIS OUT WITH SOUTH.
I THINK THAT'S A BUILDING CODE ISSUE FOR WHICH OPEN, WHICH WINDOWS NEED TO OPEN AND WHICH DON'T.
AND IT'S A REASON TO GET A PERMIT FOR THE WORK.
I STILL NEED A MOTION NOTE, A MOVE, A MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? A MOTION PASSES CURRY.
DID YOU RECOGNIZE MR. CURRY FOR THE SECOND ON THAT? I THINK I, I WILL RECOGNIZE MR. CURRY.
YEAH, I'LL ASK COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO MAKE THE NEXT MOTION IF, IF SHE, IF SHE CAN'T.
NO, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF MOM WAS LINGERING.
TERRENCE, I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 6 6 7 1 5 HOLLY GROVE STREET.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HAHC.
THIS IS STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM A SIX AT 67 15 HOLLY GROVE STREET, LOCATED IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE HOUSE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING 3,167 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO STORY, TWO RANCH STYLE RESIDENCE BUILT IN CIRCUIT 1965.
THE APPLICANT HAS REPLACED FIVE PANELS OF THE LEAD FRAME DIAMOND PATTERN
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WINDOWS AT THE FRONT ELEVATION WITH SIDING AND TWO SINGLE HUNG ENERGY EFFICIENT VINYL OPERABLE WINDOWS.THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO INSTALLED TWO NEW VINYL WINDOWS WITH A SIX OVER SIX DIVIDED LIGHT PATTERN AT THE SIDE ELEVATION.
AGAIN, ALL WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF A COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR.
THE APPLICANT HAS, SORRY, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF TO SEEK A WINDOW REPAIR OPTION.
THE OWNER HAS RECEIVED A QUOTE FROM FREEBURG FREEBURG GLASS TO REBUILD AND REPLACE THE LEAD FRAME DOBBING POWDER, WINDOWS FREEBURG GLASS, HOWEVER, CAN ONLY REBUILD AND REPLACE THE LEAD FRAME AND THE GLASS.
THUS, THE OWNER WILL NEED TO SEE QUOTES TO HAVE THE CON HAVE A CONTRACTOR BUILD THE WOOD FRAMING TO HOUSE THE LEAD FRAMES TO BE PROVIDED BY FREEBIRD.
GLASS STAFF HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE WINDOWS AT THE SIDE ELEVATION REMAIN IN THE BRICK MOLDING AND BRICK VENEER AROUND THE, AROUND THE WINDOWS BE PROPERLY CON CONSTRUCTED TO MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE TUDOR RANCH.
STAFF HAS ALSO ASKED THE OWNER TO FILL IN THE PREVIOUSLY CUT OPENING AT THE SIDE OF THE ELEVATION WITH BRICK TO MATCH THE APPLICANT.
HOWEVER, WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS IS.
ALTHOUGH SHE HAS WORKED DILIGENT DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF AND MADE ATTEMPTS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE COST OF THE C OF THE COR WOULD BE.
CHAIR AND MEMBER MEMBERS OF THE HHC, THE OWNER, BALA EL MEAN IS, IS HERE TO SPEAK.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
TERRANCE SAYS, COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF, OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM COLUMN? I HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE.
THE ONLY REASON, THE ONLY REASON THIS HOUSE IS NOT CONTRIBUTING IS THAT IT WASN'T OLD ENOUGH, LIKE SEVERAL OTHERS WHEN WE GOT OUR DESIGNATION AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK AND BRING THESE UP.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NON, IF IT HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN OUR DESIGNATION, UH, EVEN THREE YEARS LATER, IT WOULD'VE CONTRIBUTED.
KIM, MY QUESTION FOR LEGAL IN THIS MATTER IS, UH, I GUESS CAN WE, BUT, BUT, UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN PARSE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONTRIBUTING AND NOT CONTRIBUTING FOR THIS, FOR THIS WINDOW ISSUE? SO, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS IS, I KNOW SOME OF THE DISTRICTS WHEN THEY WERE RE, RE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL HAD ACTUALLY THREE DESIGNATIONS CONTRIBUTING, POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GLENBROOK VILLAGE IN, OR GLENBROOK VALLEY VALLEY IN PARTICULAR.
SO WE WERE NOT GIVEN THAT, WE WEREN'T GIVEN THAT OPTION.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE LIMITED AUTHORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS ARE WITHIN KEEPING, KEEPING WITHIN THE GENERAL CHARACTER AND THE STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER, BUT PLEASE, UH, MR. COUCH.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF, 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT WE WAIT FOR THE SPEAKER.
WELL, LET'S, UH, LET, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND, UM, BALA ELAM, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND BALA ELAM.
AND THEN PLEASE, PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
OH, YOU ARE, YOU WANT ME TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE COMMISSION TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR POSITION? OH, OKAY.
SO WHEN I FIRST, UH, WELL, I GUESS WHEN I TOURED THE HOME, 'CAUSE I GOT THE HOME IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND SO WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, UH, THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS TO BE USED.
UH, LIKE MY PARENTS ARE, ARE AGING AND SO ARE MY, UH, AND, AND THE AUNT AND UNCLE ARE ALSO.
SO I WAS LOOKING FOR A HOUSE BIG ENOUGH FOR LIKE, EVERYBODY CAN COME AND LIVE TOGETHER.
AND I KNOW MY MOTHER, UM, LIKES TO BE IN A BEDROOM FRONT FACING THE HOUSE, NOT LIKE IN THE BACK.
AND THAT FRONT WINDOW IS EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD HAVE TO PUT HER ROOM.
SHE'S NOT LIVING WITH, SHE'S NOT COMING NOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLAN.
AND SO IF I WAS GONNA MAKE IT A BEDROOM WINDOW, I NEEDED WINDOWS THAT OPEN.
I THINK SOME OF THEM HAD CRACKED PANELS, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IT WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WALK IN, IT WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THESE GO.
AND I WAS GONNA TAKE THE OTHER ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE AND MAKE THEM THE SAME HOME DEPOT SPECIAL.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, A PROCESS,
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UH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS OR WINDOWS.I WAS LIKE, I'M MAKING THESE BETTER, YOU KNOW, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.
BUT THEN HERE COMES THE ORANGE STICKER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO, TO TRY TO PUT THE OLD WINDOWS BACK AND MAKE A WOOD FRAME AND, AND THOSE THINGS AS FUN AS THAT SOUNDS? UH, IF I CAN AVOID IT, I WOULD LIKE TO, BECAUSE I THINK THEY, THEY QUOTED ME LIKE $1,600 A PANEL.
IT NEEDS FIVE PANELS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN AND BUILD A FRAME FOR IT.
AND DID YOU GET THE NEWSLETTERS AND STUFF? I DID AFTER THE FACT, YES.
I MEAN, THE WINDOWS WERE PUT IN LIKE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER GETTING THE HOUSE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSLETTER COMES LATER MONTH.
BUT DID YOUR REALTOR SAY ANYTHING? AND I'M, I'M ASKING BECAUSE NO, WE, WE, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT EDUCATING REALTORS.
SO YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE, NOT THE REALTOR, NOT THE TITLE AND THE TITLE, THE COMPANY.
I DIDN'T, I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS EVEN A THING CONSIDERED.
I'VE BEEN IN HOUSTON, WHAT, HOW AM I, 45? 45 YEARS? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT EVER.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A THING.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN A THING FOR 45 YEARS, BY THE WAY.
BUT GLENBROOK VALLEY, JUST, UH, I GUESS A YEAR OR MORE AGO NOW, PAST IT, UH, IT'S 10TH ANNIVERSARY, SO, SO IT JUST, FYI, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I DON'T DOUBT IT ON OUR POINT IS THAT MM-HMM
UH, BY ALL RIGHTS, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THAT AS AN, UH, EXISTING CONDITION.
IT'S A PART OF YOUR, UH, IT'S A PART OF YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY DESCRIPTION.
UH, AND JUST LIKE EASEMENTS AND OTHER FACTS.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO NEW WINDOWS THAT WERE PUNCHED INTO THE, IS THAT THE EAST ELEVATION OR THE SIDE ELEVATION THERE? YES.
UM, OH, SO THE RE RECOMMENDATION IS TO FILL THOSE IN AS WELL? UH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OPENING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE THAT ORIGINALLY WAS A, I THINK IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THAT AC UNIT WHERE IT, WHERE THERE WAS A, A SIDE WALL, A WINDOW UNIT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND DO YOU WANNA USE THAT AS A ROOM? IS THAT WHY YOU PUT THOSE WINDOWS IN EVENTUALLY? YES.
THAT WAS A GARAGE THAT WAS PART OF THE GARAGE THAT HAS A GARAGE AND A CARPORT ALL IN ONE THING.
SO, LIKE I SAID, THEY, MY OLDER RELATIVES ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST QUITE YET READY TO BE PEELED AWAY FROM THEIR OWN HOMES.
UM, WHILE THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT'S EITHER ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY TO THE MEETING? PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I GUESS THE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL HOME, BY THE WAY.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A VERY ATTRACTIVE HOME.
AND, UM, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN MANY HOMES IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING, 'CAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S, THE OTHER ISSUE WE FACE IS THAT IT IS, IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING ON THE LISTING.
AND SO THERE IS MORE DEFERENCE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, UH, I'M TORN.
IF THE APPLICANT CAN TEAR IT DOWN THE HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M, I'M TORN ON WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE WINDOW.
I MEAN, I LOVE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE USED TO BE THERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I, THAT I NEED TO HEAR FROM COMMISSION ON.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THEN SHE CAN APPEAL IT AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT I THINK TAKING THAT SPECIAL STAINED GLASS WINDOW OUT THE BAY WINDOW IS, IS PAINFUL TO SEE THAT THE SIDE WINDOW, I DON'T CARE SO MUCH ABOUT 'CAUSE WHATEVER, BUT THE, THAT BIG WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE IS JUST, THAT WAS SUCH A FEATURE.
BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS JUST LIKE, FOR STAFF, I MEAN, IT'S A NON HOUSE.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, UM, THAT, THAT, WHAT WE HEARD I THINK TWO TIMES PRIOR TO THIS TODAY IS JUST THAT IF WE WERE, LET'S SAY THE WINDOWS WEREN'T VERY NICE AND A CAR DROVE THROUGH THEM AND THEY'VE GOTTA BE REPLACED, I MEAN, THEN OUR, THEN WE'D BE DISCUSSING WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR ACCEPTABLE TO GO BACK IN THOSE OPENINGS.
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STILL PART OF THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PARSE BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A NOT TRIPPING HOUSE.HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE WALK THROUGH THAT LENS, I GUESS IS, OR THROUGH THAT WINDOW, MR. MR CHAIR THEN, UH, GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT, THAT WAS ACCORDING TO THE TAX, IS ALSO A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE.
BUT I THINK WE SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR ON IT.
SO TO ME, AND THEN THIS IS AGAIN, A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE.
UH, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO APPLY THE SAME LENS THAT I'VE APPLIED FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT TO THE SAME ONE HERE FOR, FOR CLARITY.
THE, THE HOUSE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IN LIMERICK VALLEY IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
I THOUGHT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ANSWERED.
THAT'S THE, ON THE APPLICATION, IF YOU GO BACK TO SUBJECT A OH FIVE UHHUH AT THE POINT THAT YOU LISTED.
SO THAT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE.
AT THE POINT THAT GLENBROOK VALLEY WAS PUT TOGETHER AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, NONE OF THOSE, THE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES WERE HISTORIC YET.
SO TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THEY SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING THOUGH.
BUT THAT'S, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT.
BUT, BUT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE FRONT FACES OF THESE HOUSES AND HOW THEY FIT IN WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY MY, MY QUESTION IS, THE PREVIOUS HOUSE THOUGH, CHANGE THE LIGHT PATTERN TO A LIGHT PATTERN THAT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARDS FOR NOT CONTRIBUTING.
HERE IS A NON CONTRIBUTING HOUSE THAT HAS REPLACED THE WINDOW.
I, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT THE APPLICANT PUT INTO THE OPENINGS, WOULD IT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT? AND IF NOT, I MEAN, I JUST NEED A MOTION AT THEN AT THAT POINT.
I'VE ALWAYS INTERPRETED THE NON-CONTRIBUTING, LIKE CHANGES TO WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD TRY TO KEEP THE SAME LIGHT PATTERN AND THAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE IN THE MATERIALS USED AND MAYBE SOME MODIFICATION, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU WOULD WANT IT TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE AS IT DID BEFORE.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAD ONE A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE IT WAS LIKE IN NOR HILL AND IT WAS NON-CONTRIBUTING AND WE LET THEM, STAFF RECOMMENDED NOT TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AND WE LET THEM REPLACE THE WINDOWS 'CAUSE THEY WERE DOING WOOD WINDOWS IN THE SAME EXISTING OPENINGS.
SO IN SITUATIONS, THAT'S HOW I'VE ALWAYS, THAT'S MY LENS ON IT.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE TWO VINYL WINDOWS ARE EE EXCEED WHAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH.
BUT I MEAN, I WOULD PROBABLY BE OPEN TO OTHER SOLUTIONS IF THERE WERE, I MEAN, RATHER THAN THE COST OF, OF CONSTRUCTING NEW LEADED GLASS WINDOWS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE.
SO COULD, BUT IN THE CHAIR'S SCENARIO, I MEAN IF A, IF A CAR HAD RUN THROUGH THIS, WOULD WE RECOMMEND SOME SORT OF REPLACEMENT IN THAT SIX LIGHT VERTICAL PATTERN PRO? YES.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A, NOT, NOT WHAT HAS BEEN REPLACED HERE, NOT NECESSARILY LET IT GLASS, BUT YES.
BUT SOMETHING THAT CAME THE SAME PATTERN EXACTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT APPEARED THE SAME OR, I MEAN, NOT IDENTICAL, BUT SIMILAR.
PUT A, PUT A PENN STAFF AND WE COULD GO BACK AND REASSESS GLENBROOK VALLEY AND, UH, 20 YEARS LA 10 YEARS LATER.
UM, I, I JUST THINK THAT'S SO FORTUNATE THAT YOU HAVE THE PANELS THERE, MS. AMINE, THAT, THAT THEY'RE STILL THERE.
THEY WERE, WHAT'S IN THE GARAGE IS GONE.
I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING A NEW FRAME TO STICK THOSE IN.
SHE HAS A QUOTE TO REPLICATE, REPLICATE, REPLICATE.
I THOUGHT THAT FROM THE PHOTOS, BUILDING PHOTOS THAT THEY WERE STILL ACCIDENT.
NOT INSTALLED, BUT ON, IN, ON SITE.
THIS IS, UH, STAFF MEMBER JACK TERRANCE JACKSON.
UH, SO IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A QUOTE.
SO THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER THERE.
UM, THEY WERE THERE WHEN WE WENT FOR A SITE VISIT.
UM, WE TALKED TO THE CONTRACTOR.
WE DID ASK HIM TO KEEP THEM THERE.
UH, MS. EMIN SAID THAT HE, I DON'T THINK HE RELAYED THAT MESSAGE TO HER.
BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, HOW STAFF LOOKS AT NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, UM, THE PROPOSED ACTIVITY MUST MA MUST MATCH THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, MATERIALS AND CHARACTER OF EITHER THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA.
I, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY TO THE POINT THAT CHAIR ASKED ABOUT.
AND, AND MS. MICKELSON, IS THAT, DOES THAT CONFORM TO WHAT YOU'VE REMINDED US OF, UH, EARLIER IN THIS MEETING? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.
I SEEK MOTION THEN TO, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE, UM, WINDOWS ON THE FRONT GET REPLACED WITH FIVE VERTICALLY ORIENTED CASEMENT WINDOWS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA REPLICATE THE LEAD OF GLASS, BUT SOME ALUMINUM MILL FINISH
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VERTICALLY ORIENTED FIXED OR CASE CASEMENT WINDOWS IF YOU NEED 'EM TO BE OPERABLE.IT'S A LIVING ROOM BASED ON EVERYTHING I CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO I DON'T, MAYBE IT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO A BEDROOM AND THAT THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE SIDE
WHAT ABOUT THE, I MEAN, BRICK, BRICK IN THE AC AND THEN CLEAN UP THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE WHERE THE BRICK IS PATCHED IN THE, IN THE, UM, THE, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M DESIGNING, I NEED TO, I NEED TO LIKE SEE THE AMOUNT OF WOOD, BUT THE, BUT IT'S GOT A CRAZY AMOUNT OF WOOD FOR A ALUMINUM WINDOW IN A BRICK OPENING.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REDUCE THAT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY GOING THERE AND SAYING IT'S LIKE ON TOP OF THEM.
YEAH, THEY'RE JUST INSTALLED REALLY POORLY.
WELL, BUT, BUT, AND INTERESTING IS WE'RE STILL MAKING A MOTION.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG MOTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, SO MY MOTION IS THAT THEY REPLACED THE TWO, THAT THEY REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, I HAVE SUGGESTED REPLACING WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY MANY TIMES WITH MILL FINISH ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT FIT THE EXACT OPENING AND THAT ARE THE SAME LIGHT PATTERN.
I CAN'T REPLICATE THIS, THIS DIAMOND LIGHT PATTERN TODAY, BUT I CAN BUY SIX ALUMINUM MIL FINISHED WINDOWS THAT FIT THE ORIGINAL BAY OPENING.
ISN'T THE QUOTE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AS PART OF THIS, UH, UH, TO, TO, TO DO JUST THAT, TO REPLICATE WHAT'S BEEN LOST.
I'M SAYING NOT TO REPLICATE THE I KNOW HE IS, BUT, BUT HE'S SAYING CAN'T THEN.
BUT I MEAN IT'S, IF YOU WANTS TO DO FREEBERG GLASS SUGGESTION, I WOULD DO EITHER WHAT FREEBERG GLASS IS SAYING OR THE ABILITY TO BUY FIVE MILL FINISH ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT ARE VERTICAL IN NATURE AND FIT THAT EXACT OPENING.
I HAVE ONE COMMENT, BUT COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, YOU, YOU HAD, YOU HAD A COMMENT, COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, I WAS JUST SURE THAT'S CUSTOM ANYWAY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PERSONALLY AS, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BE FEEL ANY MORE SATISFIED IF THE OPENING WAS FILLED IN WITH FIVE VERTICAL CASEMENT PANELS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH THE TROUBLE? I MEAN, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE ENOUGH OF A SORT OF REDRESS, AESTHETICALLY SPEAKING TO GO BACK TO FIVE PANELS? I IT WITH SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A LET WINDOW? I FEEL LIKE THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE A WIN.
BUT WHAT I'M WONDERING THOUGH ABOUT THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE, THE ONES IN THE DORMER, BECAUSE LOOKING AT IT AND THINKING, YOU KNOW, CAN WE MAKE A CASE FOR THE AESTHETICS OF WHAT WAS DONE? UM, EVEN IF IT WASN'T MATCHING THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, IF IT AT LEAST MATCHED THE WINDOWS IN THE DORMER ABOVE, THEN IT WOULD BRING BACK SOME KIND OF COHERENCY.
I FIND SOMETHING STRANGE AND JARRING ABOUT THE GREEN TINTED GLASS AND THEN THE MULIAN BEHIND THE GLASS IN THOSE WINDOWS.
I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THE VERTICAL LIGHTS WERE REPLACED WITH DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
IF IT WAS AT LEAST WINDOWS LIKE THE ONES ELSEWHERE IN THE SAME FACADE, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
WHICH IS, AS MUCH AS I CAN APPRECIATE THE ALLURE OF THE HOME DEPOT SPECIAL, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ATTITUDE ISN'T IN KEEPING WITH MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE AESTHETICS OF THE HOUSE.
AND I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY CARES SO MUCH ABOUT AESTHETICS, BUT, BUT WE DO AS THE COMMISSION.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THE FIVE VERTICAL LIGHTS AREN'T WORTH THE EFFORT IF IT'S NOT LEADED GLASS WINDOW.
BUT ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO MATCH THE OTHER, I GUESS THEY'RE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE SAME FACADE.
THERE'S WHAT, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSING THESE, THESE WINDOWS WHETHER MAKING CHANGES TO WHAT'S BEEN ALREADY DONE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO STATED THAT THEY INTEND TO CONVERT THAT SPACE INTO A BEDROOM AND WE DON'T REGULATE USE.
AND IF YOU HAVE A BEDROOM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A WINDOW THAT OPENS AND IT HAS A LEASE.
IF IT IS A CASE SPENT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REQUIRED MINIMUM WIDTH.
IT, IT'S, IT, IT, AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL THAT, UM, IF, IF SOMETHING BECOMES, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IRREGULATED THAT IT HAS TO OPEN, I MEAN THERE ARE, THERE ARE CASEMENTS THAT PROVIDE THAT FUNCTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY SEE BEDROOMS IN THE FRONT LIKE THIS, BUT A HOMEOWNER HAS THE ABILITY TO DO SO, UH, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WE, WE DON'T REGULATE THAT ASPECT OF IT.
UM, CAN WE BRING UP THE PICTURE OF THE, OF THE CURRENT WINDOW AGAIN ON THE FRONT ASKING FOR WHAT'S THERE TODAY VERSUS
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WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY? UH, YEAH, JUST LOOK, LET'S LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND THEN BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD, UM, I JUST WANNA ASK COMM NEIL TO RE REIN, RESTATE HIS MOTION.I JUST, AND UM, I DON'T RECALL IF I GOT A SECOND, BUT I, OKAY.
WE, WE GOT, WE, WE, WE NEED DISCUSSION.
AND HONESTLY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M IN THE MIDST OF THIS RIGHT NOW.
PERSONALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE FIVE SINGLE PANE CASEMENT THAT THAT'S ANY COST SAVINGS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I, I'M INCLINED TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND, AND, AND TAKE THEM UP ON WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIND A SOLUTION TO GET THE LEADED GLASS BACK IN THERE.
IT IS SUCH, IT IS SO INTEGRAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE.
UM, AND THE, THE ROOM IS NOT A BEDROOM CURRENTLY.
IT HAS INTENTION TO BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, SO I, I WOULD MAKE A COUNTER MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, MINE WAS NEVER SECONDED, SO IT'S NOT OKAY.
BUT I CAN STILL ASK FOR A SECOND BEFORE WE REVIEW THE NEXT YOUR YOU'RE OKAY.
WHAT ARE WE SECONDING, RIGHT? THINKING OF A, A CASEMENT STYLE THAT COULD OPEN WINDOW THAT WOULD FIT THE, THE ORIGINAL OPENING THAT WOULD OPEN, I, I SUSPECTED IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE AN AESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT THAT ALSO WOULD CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EGRESS.
WE'RE IN A BEDROOM, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE LIKE, TAKE ONE WINDOW OUT OR SOMETHING.
I THINK YOU NEED LIKE 20 INCHES OR SOMETHING FOR A CASE MEMBER.
AND THERE'S A HEIGHT ISSUE THAT'S, I DOUBT IT'S, IT WOULD BE CUSTOM ON CUSTOM IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
ALRIGHT, WELL I HAVE A, A REVISED MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES.
MAY I COMMENT? UH, COMMISSIONER COLLIN, PLEASE.
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE ORIGINALITY OF THIS HOME, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING HAS BEEN BASTARDIZED.
SO IT, IT CONCERNS ME GREATLY THAT WE CONTINUE TO COME BACK TO GLENBROOK VALLEY OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH THE SAME ISSUES.
THIS NEWSLETTER IS A COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO EACH HOMEOWNER.
IS IT BILINGUAL? HOW, HOW IS IT ACCESSIBLE? I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS.
AND SO, UM, BUT WE CONTINUE TO ENCOUNTER THE SAME ISSUES AND THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT WEALTHY AND WE HAVE REALTORS THAT ARE IN SCRUPULOUSLY NOT INFORMING THE NEW HOMEOWNER.
AND SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO COUNT AND TO CURB THAT? BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUAL PROBLEM AND I, IT UPSETS ME GREATLY THAT, UM, THAT WHEN THE HOMEOWNER DOES COME HERE FROM GLENBROOK VALLEY, THAT THEY ARE CHIDED.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE NOT JUST IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER YAP BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION A, A PROPERTY THAT IT'S FOR SALE, WHICH IS ADVERTISED AS CAN BE DEMOLISHED EFFECTIVELY, WHICH IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT, IT IS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND IT TOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WEEKS TO REACH THE, UH, REAL ESTATE AGENT TO GET THEM TO TRY TO REVISE THAT.
AND I KNOW STAFF FINALLY DID, BUT IT HAD, IT HAD TO TAKE A COMMISSION MEMBER OR A MISSION OF THE COM, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT LISTINGS AND READ THEM TO SEE WHETHER THEY WERE STATING CORRECT OR FALSE, UM, INFORMATION.
AND THAT JUST HAPPENED OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN COPIED ON.
SO IT, IT'S NOT JUST IN THIS, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UM, CHAIR, CAN WE MOVE THIS TO COMMENTS? SURE.
BECAUSE I, I, I HAVE SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO OKAY.
TERRENCE, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PROJECT.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC.
AGAIN, THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRENCE JACKSON.
AND TODAY I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM A SEVEN, LOCATED AT 1118 CORTLAND STREET
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IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT.THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW RESIDENCE BUILT IN CIRCA 1920.
THE PROP PROPERTY INCLUDES A 1,659 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, SITUATED ON A 6,600 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT WITH A 502 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE.
THE RESIDENCE HAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN 1924 AND 1951, WHICH COULD BE, WHICH COULD BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC AS WELL DUE TO THE HOME HAVING AN ADDITION THAT SEEMS TO BE HA SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE ACA THAT THE APPLICANT HAS CONSIDERED THE ADDITION MEETS THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 193 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOME.
THE SCOPE, SCOPE OF THE WORK OF SAID EDITION WILL CONSIST OF A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ROOF AT THE REAR OF THE HOME TO TIE IN THE NEW ROOF WITH THE ORIGINAL ROOF OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THE NEW ROOF WILL BE A EIGHT 12 SLOPE MATCHING THE EXISTING ROOF AND MATCHING THE EXISTING RIDGE HEIGHT OF 22 FEET PLUS OR MINUS, MATCHING THE EXISTING EVE HEIGHTS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, REMOVING THE EXISTING ONE 17 SIDING OF THE HISTORIC ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOME.
AND REPLACE WITH SMOOTH SHEET PANEL SIDING, A DEMOLITION OF THE BUMP OUT EDITION AT THE NORTH ELEVATION IN ORDER TO MEET CO REQUIREMENTS.
STAFF CANNOT LOCATE A RECORD OF THIS EDITION ON ANY OF OUR SANDBORNE MAPS.
THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING WINDOW AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED HISTORIC MATERIAL AT AND INSTALL A LARGER WINDOW.
THE RELO RELOCATION OF TWO EXISTING WINDOWS AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION ADD ONE 17 SIDING AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC CONDITION.
AND TO RELOCATE EXISTING DAM RELOCATE A EXISTING, AN EXISTING DAMAGE WINDOW AT THE NORTH ELEVATION TOWARDS THE REAR TO BE REPAIRED AND INSTALLED AT THE AREA WHERE THE BUMP OUT IS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THE CONDITIONS CONSIST OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO REMAIN AS IS.
AND THE RAPTOR TAILS TO REMAIN CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE CO COMMISSION.
THE AGENT MARK SCHATZ IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I AM ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU TERRANCE, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS.
I WANNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UH, MR. MARK SCHATZ, IF YOU CAN PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION BUTTONS ARE GOOD.
I'M AN MA ARCHITECTURE STUDIO.
WE ARE THE ARCHITECTS AND POTENTIAL BUILDERS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND UH, FIRST BEFORE I PRESENT THIS ONE QUESTION, 'CAUSE I THINK STAFF AND I REALLY HAVE ONLY ONE POINT THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF REVIEW WITH THE, THE COMMISSION, THAT'S THE WINDOW QUESTION.
I WANTED TO PUBLICLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION COMPLIMENTS, UH, TERRANCE AND ROMAN.
I AM A HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS A VERY DIFFICULT ARCHITECT TO DEAL WITH.
UH, BEING A FUSSY ARCHITECT, THOUGH THAT LANGUAGE IS USUALLY MORE COLORFUL AND SPECIFIC THAN DIFFICULT.
UH, WHICH IS TO SAY I WAS VERY DIFFICULT IN DEALING WITH THEM.
BUT OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THIS PROJECT HAD BEEN VERY THOROUGH.
LOTS OF PHONE CONVERSATIONS, EMAILS, AND A VERY EXHAUSTIVE SITE VISIT.
SO I KNOW IT'S EASY TO COMPLAIN, BUT I DID WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY, THESE GUYS REALLY HAVE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE.
THE ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAD A SLIGHT DISAGREEMENT ON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I EVEN QUALIFY IT AS A DISAGREEMENT, IT'S MORE OF A STANDING OUT AT THE SITE AND SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD THINKING HOW WOULD THE COMMISSION INTERPRET THIS? DEALS WITH THE EXISTING SOUTH ELEVATION.
WE'RE PROPOSING MAKING A SUBSTITUTION OF AN OLDER, SMALLER WINDOW WITH A NEW OLDER OR NEW BIGGER WINDOW END.
OKAY, SO DOCUMENT CAMERA POLICE, THIS IS A, WHAT I'M CALLING A, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION.
SO ACTUALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STREET ELEVATION, BUT TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION WHERE YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A VERY STRONG, UH, DATA LINE THAT RUNS AROUND THAT ORGANIZES THE HEADS OF ALL THE WINDOWS.
WITH THIS NORTH ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THREE WINDOWS.
TWO OF THEM ARE IN PAIRS AND ONE SINGLE.
SO THERE'S A PATTERN THAT'S ESTABLISHED HERE.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THIS IS THE EXISTING SOUTH ELEVATION.
WE HAVE THIS ONE LITTLE WINDOW BETWEEN THESE TWO PAIRED WINDOWS THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN FROM SOME PRIOR BATHROOM.
THIS HOUSE WAS, UH, CARVED UP INTO A DUPLEX IN ITS ORIGINAL 1920S VERSION.
AND THE ADDITION, WE THINK WAS MADE INTO A TRIPLEX.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY KIND OF SUFFERED OVER THE YEARS.
SO IN THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ORGANIZE AND UNIFY THE STRUCTURE WITH THE NEW ARCHITECTURAL EXTENSION TO THE BACK, IF YOU WILL, THE OWNER
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WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KIND OF OPTIMIZE THIS ONE WINDOW CONDITION.AND SO IN TALKING TO STAFF, I UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BEHIND THE HISTORIC 50% LINE FOR THE ORIGINAL 1920S HOUSE, IT'S A POINT OF CONTENTION.
AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT GIVEN THAT THE NORTH ELEVATION HAS A SIMILAR REPRESENTATION OF THIS PATTERN, IT'S NOT REALLY MUCH OF A STRETCH TO IMAGINE IT ON THE SOUTH.
AND I WOULD SAY KIND OF LIKE THIS, IF YOU WENT INTO A PAINT STORE AND YOU PICKED UP A PAINT SWATCH AND IT WAS RED, YOU'D ALL LOOK AT IT AND SAY IT'S RED.
BUT IF YOU PICKED UP A GRADATION OF GREENS, THEY'RE ALL NUANCED, BUT THEY'RE ALL GREEN.
THIS IS THAT KIND OF ARGUMENT IN MY VIEW.
IT'S A NUANCED ARGUMENT OF INTERPRETING THIS ONE WINDOW CONDITION.
HOPEFULLY EVERYONE ELSE BUYS THE ARGUMENTS.
WE'RE PRESENTING FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE, UH, SPEAKER? SO, SO I GUESS I HAVE A NO, JUST KIM.
SO THERE'S SIX WINDOWS, SIX WINDOWS, RIGHT ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION.
WHERE ARE YOU ADDING TWO HERE? WE ELIMINATE THIS.
THAT, THAT IS THE PART THAT'S BEING, THIS IS GETTING DEMOLISHED.
IT'S TAKEN DOWN TO THE FLOOR PLATE AND THEN GOING BACK UP, THE CORNERS BEING MAINTAINED THERE.
TWO WINDOWS HERE, TWO WINDOWS HERE.
THE, THE TWO THAT YOU'RE POINTING AT RIGHT NOW TOWARDS THE STREET ARE EXISTING AND REMAIN EXACTLY IN PLACE.
THE ONE, THIS ONE, THAT ONE EXISTS.
WE'RE PROPOSING PUT THE ELEVATION ABOUT SIX INCHES OR SO UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND IT, IT'S ON THE ELEVATION VIEW, THE FLATTENED VIEW THAT SHOWS, SHOWS UP.
AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE REALITY.
SO YOU WANT TO PUT TWO WINDOWS RIGHT HERE? YES.
WE WANT TO TAKE THAT OLD WINDOW OUT AND BASICALLY MATCH A PAIR OF WINDOWS THAT, THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.
LIKE IMAGINE TAKING EITHER OF THE TWO THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE DUPLICATING THAT, IS THIS ALL NOT ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND THE ORIGINAL ELEVATION ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE? IT IS.
SO THE, THE QUESTION THERE AND WHY WE WERE STANDING OUT SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AT IT IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING MAKING THIS WIN WINDOW SUBSTITUTION.
OH, WHERE WE'RE PLANNING ON MAKING THIS WINDOW SUBSTITUTION IS SIMPLY PUTTING A DIFFERENT WINDOW BACK IN THE SAME LOCATION OSTENSIBLY.
AND THAT SUBSTITUTION POINT IS BEHIND THE 50% ORIGINAL 1920S LINE, BUT ITS NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION.
IT'S CENTERED IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING POINT, POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IT IT IS IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION.
THE REASON THAT WE ARE PROPOSING MOVING THE TWO EXISTING ONES THAT ARE TO THE EAST SLIGHTLY A FEW INCHES IS TO CREATE A BALANCED COMPOSITION.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON.
AND MY PRECEDENT FOR DOING THAT IS THE GENERAL INDICATION OF THE PATTERN THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THIS HOUSE.
SO I SEE THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO REPLACE ON THE SOUTH THAT SMALL WINDOW WITH TWO UH, WINDOWS, UH, PER THE DRAWING.
WERE YOU PLANNING TO PULL THIS TWO WINDOWS FROM THE NORTH, UH, FROM THE UH, NORTH ELEVATION? BECAUSE I SEE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUT, EVEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE NORTH ELEVATION, YOU'RE PULLING OUT ONE OF THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS TO BECOME A SINGLE.
IF YOU COULD BRING THAT DRAWING UP NORTH, THE NORTH OR WHERE DO WE, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE TWO WINDOWS FROM? I, I THINK THE CLARIFICATION POINT THERE IS WE HAVE A WINDOW THAT'S VERY IN VERY BAD SHAPE AND I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. JACKSON HERE.
I THINK THAT GRAPHIC IS REPRESENTING THAT WINDOW TO BE REPAIRED.
OUR INTENTION WITH THESE TWO WINDOWS WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE SOUTH IS TO EITHER GET RECLAIMED WINDOWS OR HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE KOLBY MAKE SOMETHING THAT MATCHES.
SO IN THE NORTH ONE YOU ARE TRYING TO NOW TAKE AWAY THIS TWO DOUBLE WINDOW AND MAKE IT A SINGLE? NO SIR.
UNLESS I'M FUDDLED IN MY OWN MIND.
WE HAVE A DAMAGED WINDOW THERE THAT I BELIEVE STAFF IS NOTING AS TO BE FIXED.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON MESSING WITH THE NORTH ELEVATION, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE PICTURE.
THE RED BOX UNDER PROPOSED OR NORTH ELEVATION PAGE 14 IS REPAIRING THE EXISTING WINDOW THAT'S THERE.
IT'S NOT REMOVING IT AND COVERING IT WITH THE ONE 17.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP NORTH ELEVATION THAT SAYS EXISTING UHHUH, THAT WINDOW THAT'S SHADED BY ITSELF UHHUH, THAT WINDOW IS DAMAGED.
I I, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE A PICTURE OF, BUT THAT WINDOW IS SEVERELY DAMAGED.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT THAT WINDOW BE REMOVED, REPAIRED AND AND PLACED BACK THERE WHERE THE OTHER SHADED IS IN THE PROPOSED.
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THAT'S THAT.SO IT WILL NO LONGER BE A SINGLE A PAIR.
A PAIR, IT WILL BE A SINGLE, A SINGLE, YES.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO WE ARE CHANGING THE WINDOW PATTERN ON THE FRONT, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
THAT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE DID NOT CLARIFY BETWEEN OURSELVES.
'CAUSE THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT.
OUR INTENT IS TO THE BASICALLY LEAVE THE NORTH INTACT AND REPAIR THE DAMAGE WINDOW THAT'S THERE.
SO THE PATTERN WILL READ, THE PATTERN WILL FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK, SINGLE REPAIR P SINGLE IN THE BACK, THE RED ADJACENT TO THE GREEN.
IS THAT, IS THERE A WINDOW GOING IN THAT OPENING? THAT THAT'S PART, UH, WHERE THIS IS A FUNKY THING.
THERE'S A, A WART ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WHAT LOOKS LIKE USED TO BE AN OLD PORCH THAT WAS IN UM, AN ENCLOSED AND EXPANDED.
AND SO THERE'S SOME FUNKY WINDOW STUFF GOING ON BACK THERE.
THAT'S THE 30 ODD SQUARE FEET WE'RE PLANNING ON SHAVING OFF BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND I BELIEVE THE GRAPHIC IS GRAPHIC HERE IS REPRESENTING THOSE WINDOWS.
BUT THAT'S LIKE BEYOND THE 75% LINE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME.
BUT ON THE BOTTOM IMAGE HERE, UNDER PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION, THE RED BOX WHICH IS FILLED WITH THE ONE 17 RIGHT NOW IS TO REMAIN A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW THAT IS REBUILT IN THE SAME MATERIAL IN THE SAME PATTERN AS THE ORIGINAL THAT IS THERE NOW THAT IS NOT REPAIRABLE.
THE GRAPHICS, THE GRAPHICS MAY NOT REPRESENT THAT ACCURATELY, BUT THAT IS THE INTENTION.
THE HOP OVER THAT NEXT PAIR, THE ONE TO MY LEFT, WHICH IS A SINGLE ONE OVER ONE APPEARS TO BE A, A MATCH TO THE OTHER FIVE TO IT.
IS THAT A NEW WINDOW? I I'M SORRY.
IS THAT A WINDOW? COULD, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME AGAIN? I, I MISSED POINT TO IT IF YEAH, YOU COULD POINT TO IT.
THAT ONE IS THAT A WINDOW? THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING IN THE PORCH.
THAT'S THE THING THAT'S GOING AWAY THE ABOVE.
SO, SO THAT IS NO, THAT IS NOT A WINDOW.
UM, BUT ABOVE ON THE CURRENT EXISTING, IT'S SHOWN AS A DIFFERENT IF, CAN WE LOOK AT THE PLAN VIEW? IF WE COULD BRING THAT UP, I THINK THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT.
SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT A NEW WALL THERE SO IT WON'T BE HISTORICAL.
SO I BELIEVE BUT THERE'S NO WINDOW THERE.
I BELIEVE THE RED AREA THAT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT THERE, UHHUH, IF YOU THE TOP IS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN.
SO THAT'S THE LITTLE BUMP OUT THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
MM-HMM
YOU'RE REMOVING THAT, THAT WE'RE REMOVING THAT.
UM, AND THEN WHAT'S BELOW THAT IS A WINDOW THOUGH WHERE YOU HAVE REMOVED THE BUMP OUT.
WILL THERE BE A NEW WINDOW IN THE NEW WALL BEHIND WHERE THE BUMP OUT IS REMOVED? YES.
SORRY, IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW 'CAUSE THE BUMP OUT, THE BUMP OUT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE EITHER.
IT WAS AN ADDITION THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO PUSH TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.
AND ALSO, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A WINDOW IN THE WALL THAT WAS COVERED BY THIS PORCH? NO.
AND I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT MR. JACKSON WAS REFERRING TO.
THEY DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF THIS ADDITION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
AND IT APPEARS THE WALL WAS REMOVED WHERE THE WINDOW MIGHT GIMME A SECOND.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL CLARIFY IT.
CAMERA, SINGLE DOUBLE, DOUBLE SINGLE.
THEN, UM, UH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UH, SO THIS HOUSE, UH, ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH ELEVATION MM-HMM
UH, HAVE YOU ALL DONE AN INTERIOR DEMO YET IN THE HOUSE? HAVE YOU ALL REMOVED ANY SHEET ROCK YET? SO FAR, UH, THE OWNERS HAVE BEEN SINCE THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
I THINK THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2020 IF I BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING STEADILY TO, I WOULD SAY UNSCREW UP THE INTERIOR.
SO THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED ONE OF THE TWO MULTIPLE KITCHENS AND A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CURRENT FRAMING IN THE ATTIC, THAT ALL LOOKS INTACT.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE INTERIOR WALLS AND PARTITIONS WERE JUST KIND OF A BUTCHERY OF MISCELLANEOUS.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE, UH, THE SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A SMALLER WINDOW THAT LOOKS LIKE A BATHROOM WINDOW.
BACK ON THE, I GUESS THE EXISTING YES.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY AN ORIGINAL WINDOW.
OR WAS IT ACTUALLY THERE WAS A DOUBLE WINDOW THERE THAT THEY MADE SMALLER? I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE OWNER IS WHEN THEY TOOK UP THE FLOOR FINISH AND STARTED REWORKING THAT AREA.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE DONE REWORK ON THE INTERIOR IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S WHAT THE FOOTPRINT SUGGESTS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO IF THAT WINDOW WAS PART OF THAT BATHROOM, IF THAT BATHROOM WAS ALWAYS THERE.
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'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN VERSION OF THIS, IT'S A REAL RAT'S NEST OF CARVING UP STUFF.SO I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS DONE WHEN, UH, THIS SEEMS LIKE A LANDLORD SPECIAL
SO YOU, WE, UH, SO THE QUESTION ACTUALLY IS TO STAFF RIGHT NOW, UH, TERRANCE? YES SIR.
UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHETHER YOU HAVE MADE A SITE VISIT TO THE HOUSE? YES SIR, I HAVE.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF, UH, THE, ON THE SHIPLAP ON THE, ON THE WIND, THIS SOUTH ELEVATION, WAS THERE ACTUALLY A BIGGER OPENING THAT WAS CUT AND THEN FILLED IN WITH TO MAKE A SMALLER WINDOW? OR WAS THIS SMALL WINDOW ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? WELL, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE WENT TO THE SITE VISIT, I DON'T BELIEVE THE OWNERS WERE HOME.
SO WE WERE NOT ALLOWED IN, WE WERE NOT GA GIVEN, UH, ACCESS ON INTERIOR.
OH, YOU DIDN'T GET INTO THE HOUSE? NO, SIR.
DID YOU WALK AROUND THE HOUSE? I MEAN YES.
AND IT, I MEAN, BUT, BUT YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER YAP IS FROM THE EXTERIOR SIDING? NO, FROM, NO, NOT FROM THE SIDING.
I WANTED TO SEE WHETHER THE INTERIOR WAS FILLED OR ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A DOUBLE WINDOW, LIKE HOW THE ARCHITECT PROPOSED IT TO BE AND THEN SOMEBODY CLOSED IT UP, UM, TO MAKE A SMALL WINDOW.
OR ACTUALLY THE SMALL WINDOW IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE I FIND THAT AS I WORK MORE AND MORE ON, IN ON CRAFTSMAN HOUSES, ACTUALLY SMALL WINDOWS, WHEN INTERIOR BATHROOMS WERE CREATED, SMALL WINDOWS DID EXIST IN THE BATHROOM AREAS.
SO THAT COULD VERY WELL BE A ORIGINAL WINDOW TO THE HOUSE AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS BASTARDIZING BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND SURE.
SO CAN, CAN YOU REMIND US, IS THERE A GUIDELINE FOR WHAT YOU CAN DO ON THE, ON THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS OF A HOUSE? IT, IT'S A, IT'S A PERCENT AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE 50% OR, UH, I MEAN, I, I KIND OF THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SUBJECTIVE BASED ON WHO WE'RE TALKING TO.
BUT, UM, HOW WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT IT IS THAT WE TAKE LIKE THE BACK 65%, THE 65%, UM, TO THE BACK FROM, FROM 65% TO THE BACK TOWARDS THE BACK.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I, WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT IT KIND OF LIKE WE LOOK AT THE HEIGHTS WITH ROOFS AND ADDITIONS.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ABOUT 65%, A LITTLE OVER HALF.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE QUANTIFY IT.
UH, IT'S REALLY JUST BASICALLY BASED ON, UH, LIKE I SAID, A SUBJECTIVE CASE.
AND, AND FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, THERE'S A PICTURE YOU CAN SEE FROM, UH, THE STREET.
THERE'S A PICTURE THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK FROM THE STREET ON THE, UM, SOUTH ELEVATION.
BUT FROM THE STREET, UM, ON ONE ELEVATION YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL HOME, ON THE OTHER ELEVATION.
UM, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT DWARFS THIS THING THAT'S SO BIG THAT YEAH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN OPTICAL ILLUSION WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY EVEN NOTICE THAT THERE ARE WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE OF THE HOME.
SO THAT'S OUR POINT OF VIEW WAS WE WILL ALLOW HIM TO MAKE CHANGES ON THE ELEVATION WITH THE BUMP OUT THAT HAD, THAT IS THAT HAS THE HOUSE THAT'S DWARFING IT, BUT ON THE OTHER ONE THERE'S SOME SUCH A BIG SPACE BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE NEXT DOOR, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IN RELATION TO THE HOME THAT WE WOULD ALLOW FOR THEM TO MAKE CHANGES.
SO THAT, THAT WAS OUR POINT OF VIEW.
SORRY, I THINK THAT THAT HAS, IT'S A RATIONAL THOUGHT, TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, I, I'M NOT, AS YOU KNOW, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WANTING, NEEDING TO MAKE THE INSIDE WORK, UM, AND HAVING THE SYMMETRY OF THOSE THREE PAIRS OF WINDOWS.
UM, I AM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH APPETITE FOR MOVING ONE SIX OR 12 INCHES THAT'S EXISTING IN ITS EXISTING SPOT.
SO I'M, I'M WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THE SMALL WINDOW IN THE CENTER, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LOSING ORIGINAL MATERIAL, WHAT I THINK IS PROBABLY AN ORIGINAL BATHROOM WINDOW, LOSING THAT ORIGINAL MATERIAL, TRYING TO MOVE THE OTHER ONE SIX TO 12 INCHES JUST TO MAKE IT LINE UP PERFECTLY.
I HAVE VERY LITTLE APPETITE FOR CAN WE PULL THE SOUTH ELEVATION BACK UP AGAIN, THE DRAWING.
SO I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU, WOULD, WOULD YOU AND YOUR CLIENT, IF THE COMMITTEE WERE, WERE TO AGREE, UM, BE AMEN AMENABLE TO
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THE, THE ADDITIONAL PAIR OF WINDOWS IN THE CENTER, BUT HAVING THEM NOT PERFECTLY, UH, SPACED OUT AND SYMMETRICAL? I, I, AGAIN GO, I GO BACK TO MY, IT'S A GRADATION OF PAINT COLOR.SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUANCES HERE.
I BELIEVE THE CLIENT WOULD BE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD, IF THAT IS A, A MEANINGFUL COMPROMISE POINT, IT STILL ACHIEVES THEIR OBJECTIVE.
IT DOES IT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY THAN THEY WOULD PREFER.
BUT CONSIDERING THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, I I THINK IT'S A SMALLER POINT THAT MAYBE THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, ARGUE AND COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT
HAVE THEY DONE ANY INTERIOR DEMOLITION YET TO SEE WHAT THE SHIPLAP LOOKS AROUND, LOOKS LIKE AROUND THAT WINDOW TO SEE IF IT'S NO, IF IT'S IN ITS ORIGINAL, NO.
THEY, THEY HAVE GUTTED AROUND THAT AREA AND DONE SOME TEMPORARY LIKE, UM, LAMINATE FLOORING FOR UTILITY VALUE.
BUT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT I KNOW ABOUT TO THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE REVEALING.
WELL, DO YOU THINK WE COULD LET THEM DO SOME DEMO AND THEN IF THE WINDOW LOOKS LIKE IT'S ORIGINAL, LEAVE IT WHERE IT WAS, AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN LET THEM HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO REARRANGE IT A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE SMALL WINDOW, THE BATHROOM WINDOW.
LIKE IF IT'S IN ITS ORIGINAL PLACE, THEN YEAH, WE, I GUESS WE KEEP IT AND JUST MAKE IT TALLER AND THEN PUT ONE NEXT TO IT OR SOMETHING.
BUT IF IT'S BEEN MOVED AND THE SHIPLAP SHOWS THAT IT'S BEEN MOVED, THEN MAYBE WE DON'T HOLD THEM TO KEEPING EXACTLY IN THE SAME PLACE.
I THINK IT JUST SEEMS WEIRD TO ME THAT THAT WINDOW'S SO CLOSE TO THE OTHER TWO.
'CAUSE USUALLY THEY'RE MORE CENTERED AND ALL THE BUNGALOWS I'VE EVER WORKED ON, THEY'RE NOT PUSHED OVER.
AND THEN THIS ONE IN THE FRONT IS PUSHED PRETTY FAR BACK FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THESE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND OVER THE YEARS EVEN, UNLESS THEY WERE JUST BUILDING A PECULIAR CONFIGURATION.
BUT USUALLY THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH CENTERED ON THE ROOMS. MM-HMM
ROMAN, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER AS WELL? YES.
THE, THE ONE MORE POINT TO, UM, COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON WHEN YOU WERE COMMENTING ON MOVING THE WINDOWS.
UM, I WANTED JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU, THAT YOU ARE, THAT EVERYONE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT ON THIS IMAGE HERE, THE LOWER PROPOSED IMAGE THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN A WAY, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, OF COURSE IS THAT THE REAR HIP IS BEING EXTRUDED TOWARDS THE REAR.
NOW WE DIDN'T INITIALLY THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
WE, WHEN REVIEWING THE ITEM, BUT WHEN WE CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT THE TWO PROTRUDING NON-ORIGINAL, BUT HISTORIC ADDITIONS AT THE REAR WERE ALREADY IN THAT SPACE, BUT THEY WERE ROOFED AWKWARDLY, THEY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RIGHT, HAVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, PEOPLE WOULD ROOF WITH WHATEVER THEY FOUND.
SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT, SO WE THEN AGREED, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE EXTRUSION ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE AND WITH THE ARCHITECT AS WELL SUGGESTING THAT THE, THE HARMONY OF THE OVERALL PROJECT IS THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE EXTRUDING THAT ROOF, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEN THE REAR CORNER, THE REAR RIGHT CORNER IS ACTUALLY MOVING BACK.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT TWO OR THREE FEET MAYBE? UM, AND SO THEN THE LOCATION OF THE AD ORIGINAL, IF WE ASSUME THAT THOSE UPPER PAIR ARE ORIGINAL, UM, IT, WE WE'RE, WE ALREADY ARE SORT OF PLAYING WITH THE REAR PROPORTIONS IN THAT AREA.
AND SO BY EXTRUDING THAT AND SORT OF MOVING THAT NEW REAR CORNER BACK, UM, WHICH REALLY IF DONE WELL, YOU'RE LACING THAT SIDING ANYWAY, YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE SIDING AND DO THINGS SO YOU DON'T GET A, A SOLID SEAM THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS OBSERVED IN THAT QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU WERE PLAYING WITH THE PROPORTIONS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT AGAIN, IS JUST, AND WE, WE DON'T APPLY THEM, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH OTHER TIMES THAT WE'VE ASKED THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE RELOCATION OR THE CHANGING OF A WINDOW TOWARDS THE REAR SIDE ELEVATION.
AND THAT IS THAT THE STANDARDS SAY THAT IN ORDERS OF IMPORTANCE, UH, ELEVATIONS ON A, ON A BUILDING WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING THE STANDARDS ARE THAT THE FRONT ELEVATION IS MOST IMPORTANT.
THE FIRST HALF OF THE SIDE ELEVATION, THE FRONT, THE FRONT HALF OF THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THE, THE REAR HALF OF THE SIDE OF E ELEVATION IS OF THIRD LEVEL IMPORTANCE.
AND THEN THE REAR ELEVATION OF COURSE DOESN'T COUNT.
SO I WOULD JUST REPEAT THAT AND SAY THAT ALTHOUGH, UH, WE, WE WORKED TWO TO THIS POINT, AND IF Y'ALL WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S OKAY.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, CAN I JUST ASK LIKE, TERRANCE, COULD YOU JUST RESTATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TOO SO WE JUST WE'RE CLEAR AND SURE.
UH, IT IS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS CONSIST STIFF CONSIST OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AT
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THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO REMAIN AS IS AND THE RAFTER TAILS TO REMAIN.SO IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT SMALL WINDOW WOULD REMAIN? YES, SIR.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE A MOTION PLEASE? MAY I, UM, COULD I, I'M SORRY.
COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, PLEASE SPEAKING.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE, PLEASE PROCEED.
UM, I, IN THE DRAFT, UH, DOCUMENT, IT SAYS NORTH WINDOWS, WINDOWS AT THE NORTH ELEVATION TO REMAIN, BUT THE DRAWINGS THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE SUMMARY OF APPROVAL CONDITIONS JUST NOW, AND THE DRAWINGS SHOW A WINDOW MOVING ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THAT IS THE INTENTION.
WELL, SO I, JUST SO I CAN, UH, CLARIFY THAT I DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH AS THEY WERE CALLED OUT IN THE DRAFT.
AND SO THE FINAL REPORT, UM, HAS THOSE CORRECTIONS IN IT.
AND WHAT YOU ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW, WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THE FINAL, UM, THAT IS THE CORRECT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE VIRTUALLY SO, YOU PROBABLY AREN'T SEEING, UM, YOU PROBABLY AREN'T SEEING THE, THE FINAL CHANGES, BUT THE, UH, REPORT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO BE CORRECTED.
SO THIS DRAWING THAT, UM, IS ON THE BEING SCREEN SHARED NOW ILLUSTRATES THAT, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS IN THE SECOND PAIR WILL BE MOVED TOWARD THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE SECOND PAIR IN EE EXISTING, SO THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT THERE THAT IS, UM, THAT IS SHADED, IS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THAT'S THE BUMP OUT, THAT IS TO BE DEMOLISHED, THAT WE CANNOT LOCATE ANYTHING FROM THE SAND ON ANY OF OUR SANDBORN MAPS.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
EXX, I BELIEVE IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF ITS LOCATION AND RELOCATED TOWARD RIGHT NEXT TO THE SEAM AND THE PROPOSED DRAWING.
I THINK COMMISSIONER, THE, SO THE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD TERRANCE.
SO THE WINDOW THAT'S SHADED RIGHT THERE IN THIS DRAWING, THAT WINDOW IS THE WINDOW THAT IS TO BE REMOVED AND REPAIRED.
AND THE GRAPHIC IS INCONSISTENT, BUT THE INTENT IS THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT HISTORIC SIDE FRONT.
SO COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, THAT, THAT, THAT PAIR OF WINDOWS WILL VISUALLY REMAIN A PAIR OF WINDOWS AND THE DRAWING IS GRAPHICALLY INCORRECT.
SHOW THE, THAT THAT WHERE THE RED SQUARE IS SHOWING SIDING AND INSIDE SHOULD ACTUALLY REFLECT A WINDOW.
TERRANCE ASKED ME TO, OKAY, THANK YOU.
LIKE YES, THAT IS OUR INTENT AND IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO SPECIFY THAT IN THE MOTION SO IT'S CLEAR, WE'D HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND MY SECOND QUEST, MY SECOND COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS ABOUT THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
UM, THE, THE, THE MOVING OF THE, LET'S SAY, OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SMALL WINDOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A BATHROOM WINDOW IS PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED WITH A LARGER DOUBLE ROOT WINDOW.
AND THEN THAT WINDOW IS PROPOSED TO BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE TWO OTHER DOUBLE WINDOWS.
UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE LOGIC HAS TO DO WITH HOW THAT AFFECTS THE INTERIOR OF THE, THE SPACE.
SO IT'S ABOUT SEEING THOSE WINDOWS IN A REGULAR PATTERN FROM THE INSIDE.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY IN SUPPORT OF THIS CENTERING THAT I, I THINK THE VALUE OF NOT CENTERING THE WINDOWS, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALREADY REPLACE THE SMALL WINDOW, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT NOT CENTERING THE WINDOW IS A BENEFIT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR.
THAT WINDOW IS RIGHT ON THAT 50% LINE, UH, OF THE SIDE ELEVATION, REAR WORD OF WHICH WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN, IN FAVOR OF, OF CENTERING THE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON THE INTERIOR OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE INTERIOR.
AND A RELATIVELY MINOR, TO MY MIND'S, IMPACT ON THE EXTERIOR.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT TO BE CONCERNED WITH IT.
IT'S GUIDANCE THAT AT 50% OR 65%, IT IS STILL HISTORIC MATERIAL AND ANY DISRUPTION OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC INTACT MATERIAL IS, IS DISRUPTION OF THE ORIGINAL INTACT HISTORIC MATERIAL
UM, IT STILL IS ORIGINAL HISTORIC MATERIAL
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THAT HAS BEEN THERE IN MANY CASES, UH, BEYOND.BUT EVEN IF YOU MOVE WELL BEYOND US OVER SIX INCHES, YOU'LL HAVE TO PATCH THE SIX INCHES OF SIDING AND THAT'LL REQUIRE LIKE FEATHERING IT IN AND THEN TAKING MORE PIECES OF SIDING OUT ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THEN REPLACING ALL THIS STUFF, IT'S LIKE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE SIX INCHES.
IT'S, IT'S A LOT TO TIE IT BACK TOGETHER ONCE YOU'VE MOVED SOMETHING A COUPLE INCHES YEAH.
ON ONE OF THESE KIND OF OPENINGS.
I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE A MOTION.
WE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SMALLER WINDOWS ARE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, OR THE, THE ORIGINAL, AND THEY, I'M LOOKING AT THE SANBORN MAP OR FROM THE SANBORN MAP, I NOTICED THERE ARE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND ON THE SOUTH.
IT, I'M SORRY, THE, THE ONE ON THE NORTH IS DEMOLISHED, BUT THE, THE SOUTH IS STILL STANDING UP.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, IT'S THE SAME WINDOWS.
THE THERE, THE SAME FENESTRATION, BUT IT, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH, UH, ELEVATION.
SO, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, WHEN YOU LOOK FROM THE GOOGLE MAPS, COMMISSIONER STAAVA LOOKED AT THE HOUSE DIRECTLY ADJACENT.
THAT APPEARS TO BE A TWIN OF THIS.
AND THERE IS NOT A SMALLER BATHROOM WINDOW IN BETWEEN THE TWO PAIRS.
UM, SO TO, TO, UH, IT HELPS, IT HELPS TO, UH, SERVE AS A COMPARISON, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THERE WAS, THAT ONE'S COMMON IN THE HEIGHTS, WOULD THEY HAVE THE 3, 2, 3, UH, KIND OF PATTERN, UH, FOR RENTAL PURPOSES.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ADDRESS EACH OF THESE, EACH OF THE THREE ITEMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, EXCEPT STAFF'S, UM, CONDITION TO EX TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING RAFTER TAILS INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF THE CONDITION TO JUST, UH, KEEP THE SOUTH WINDOW, SMALLER SOUTH WINDOW, UM, IN PLACE THAT STAFF MAKE A SITE VISIT WITH THE OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT TO TRY AND DETERMINE AT, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IF IT CAN BE DETERMINED, IF THAT WINDOW WAS ORIGINAL.
UM, AND THEN I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ALLOW STAFF TO MAKE A DECISION THEN BASED ON THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION.
UM, ALL THE NORTH, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THE NORTH ELEVATION WINDOWS DO REMAIN AND ARE REPAIRED AND REPLACED IN KIND.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THAT THE EXISTING PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION NOT BE MOVED AND DISRUPT ORIGINAL HISTORIC MATERIAL.
SO IF I MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, IF STAFF FINDS THE ORIGINAL SMALLER, LET'S SAY BATHROOM WINDOW IS ORIGINAL, YOUR MOTION WOULD BE NOT TO CHANGE IT PER THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
IF THEY FIND THAT THAT HAS BEEN REWORKED, THEN YOU'RE OKAY WITH ADDING THE DOUBLE WINDOW AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
THAT COULD BE PROVEN ON THE INTERIOR SHEET, UH, SHIPLAP REMOVAL.
I'LL PICK COSGROVE, JUST, UH, THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROOM.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES.
UM, MR. CHAIR, JUST JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
SO THE ITEM ONE AND TWO, WAS IT EITHER OR? RIGHT.
IF IT IS, THE SMALL WINDOW IS FOUND TO BE ORIGINAL.
THAT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD REMAIN CORRECT.
IF IT IS NOT ORIGINAL, THEN THERE WILL BE A DOUBLE WINDOW BUT LINED UP ON THE LOCATION OF THE SMALL WINDOW.
CORRECT? AM I RIGHT? WELL, OKAY.
AND THE OTHER WINDOW WOULD NOT SHIFT, NOT THE CENTER OF THE ROOM OR THE CENTER OF THE TWO WINDOWS.
NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, JASON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRPERSON AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LIAL.
TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A NINE AT 6 0 9 SABINE STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS 1802 STATE STREET IN THE OLD SIX WARD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT.
IT'S A CORNER LOT MEASURING 70 BY 100, SITUATED AT THE SOUTHEASTERN EDGE OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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HAS COME BEFORE COMMISSION FIVE YEARS EARLIER IN FEBRUARY, 2019.SINCE THEN, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN CHANGED AND THE OWNER IS BRINGING IT FORWARD ONCE AGAIN FOR CONSIDERATION COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE DRAWINGS FROM 2019 NEXT TO TODAY'S PROPOSED PROJECT.
FOR A COMPARISON, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TOTALING 3,374 SQUARE FEET.
IT WILL HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE TOTALING 715 SQUARE FEET.
GIVEN THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AT 4,089, THE RIDGE HEIGHTS VARY FROM 32 FEET TO 20 FEET, 10 INCHES TO 32 FEET, MOVING FROM FRONT TO BACK OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE FRONT IS 15 FEET, WEST SIDE SETBACK IS FIVE.
THE EAST IS 22 FEET, 11 INCHES.
THE REAR RANGES FROM THREE FEET, TWO INCHES TO THREE FEET, NINE INCHES.
IT'LL HAVE, UH, ROOF PITCHES OF 10 AND 12 AND SEVEN AND 12 WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES AND STANDING SEA METAL.
IT WOULD BE CLAD AND SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH THE SIX INCH REVEAL.
IT'LL HAVE WOOD METAL CLAD WINDOWS INSET AND RECESSED WITH THE MIX OF FIXED AND DOUBLE HUNG ONE OVER ONE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE RIDGE HEIGHTS BE NO MORE THAN 30 FEET.
IT IS NOTED ON THE FRONT PAGE THAT THERE HAS BEEN TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS WRITTEN IN BY EMAIL CHAIRPERSON COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THERE ARE FOUR SPEAKERS TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
AGENT MATT ERLAND AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AVA ENGEL.
AND THERE IS ALSO NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
CARMEN, RIA SENIOR, AND CLAUDIA GARCIA.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
STAFF, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS ITEM THAT HEARING? I, I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON MY LIST.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WITH MR. MATT ERLAND.
PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND, HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M ARCHITECTURE DESIGNER WORKING WITH MY CLIENT.
NICE TO MEET THE COMMISSION AGAIN.
UH, THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN 2019.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THROUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, THE HOMEOWNER AND MY FRIEND AVIS DECIDED TO PRODUCE THE SIZE OF THE HOME.
UH, WE MAINTAINED THE STATE STREET FACADE IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, I DO BELIEVE WE'VE ADJUSTED THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE HOUSE A BIT TO THE EAST ACCORDING TO THE NEW, UH, REGULATIONS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE HOPING, SHE'S HOPING SHE'D LIKE TO START THE PROJECT 'CAUSE SHE WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SHE'S OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO, AND WE ARE OPEN TO ANY TYPES OF MODIFICATIONS OR DETAILED CHANGES THAT YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE.
AND THE HEIGHT OF THE EVES THAT WERE MENTIONED BY STAFF, UH, WE WERE AT 32 ON THE FRONT, BUT IF THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2019, IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED TO 30, UH, WE CAN, UH, DEFINITELY ADJUST THE PITCH ON THE ROOF IF THAT IS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WANTED ALL RIDGES TO BE THE, THE SAME HEIGHT.
AND ALTHOUGH THE BACK ADDITION IS A NARROWER SECTION, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, WE WILL TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR REDUCING THE RIDGE HEIGHT? SO IF IT WAS APPROVED AT 32, WHY ARE WE ASKING? I, I'M, THIS IS MORE FOR JASON.
I, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE ASKING TO REDUCE IT.
ALRIGHT, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAD A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AN OLD SIX WARD THAT CAME BEFORE A COMMISSION, I THINK SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
THEY WERE ORIGINALLY AT 32, ASKED FOR BRINGING IT DOWN TO 30.
AND 30 FEET HAS KIND OF BECOME THIS, UM, A RULE THAT WE ARE DOING NOT ONLY IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO ELSEWHERE.
THAT WAY WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING VERTICALLY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REMAIN CONSISTENT THAT WHENEVER THERE'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE KEEP IT AT 30 FEET.
ALSO, TOO, TO HELP YOU OUT IN OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS IN THE PHOTOS, I DID PUT IN NON CONSUMING STRUCTURES THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT ARE OVER 30 FEET.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT STAFF THEN AS WELL AS A DIFFERENT COMMISSION.
AND THERE'S, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 OF THOSE THAT GOT APPROVED BACK THEN.
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OKAY.AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR THEM TO LOWER THE ROOF PITCH.
BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, I MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COMPARISON FROM WHAT WAS PROVED IN 2019 TO NOW, UH, STAFF LOOKED AT THIS.
WE FEEL THAT THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAS BECOME MORE COMPATIBLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE IS THERE'S NOT A SECOND STORY ABOVE THE ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S COME OFF.
SOME OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
AND SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A MORE COMPATIBLE, UH, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UH, IN THE, THE APPLICANTS THAT'S UP MAKING ALL THE ROOF HEIGHTS THE SAME, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT A SIDE ELEVATION, THE FRONT FACING STATE STREET IS AT 32.
THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK TOWARDS THE REAR, IT GOES BACK UP TO 32.
THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH, NOT WITH MATT ACKERLY, BUT WITH ANOTHER AGENT, UH, ORLANDO SUAREZ.
AND SO THAT'S GOT THOSE MEASUREMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTOOD HIS REASONING FOR HOW HAVING THAT SURE.
BUT AGAIN, STAFF IS TRYING TO REMAIN CONSISTENT AT 30 FEET.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD GO DOWN TO 30.
I'M SORRY, THE, THE ORIGINAL PITCH DESIGN WAS KIND OF TO KEEP AN, WE THOUGHT, UH, CLOSER TO A HISTORIC SLOPE, BUT THE LOWER THE SLOPE, THE MORE SUBURBAN IT FEELS TO ME.
THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF SORT OF WORKED IT AT THE SLOPE THAT THE PITCH THAT IT'S AT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT AT THE 32 IF POSSIBLE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS CODE OR IS, IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY SUGGESTED.
IT'S JUST THAT IT'S CHANGED TO 30 RECENTLY.
AND WHAT ARE THE FLOOR FLOOR HEIGHTS? HMM? WHAT ARE THE FLOOR HEIGHTS? UH, I THINK WE HAVE A 10 FOOT CEILING ON BOTH FLOORS.
YOU WANT THE, LIKE THE, INCLUDING THE, UH, TRUSSES AND THERE'S TRUSSES IN BETWEEN.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LOSING YOUR HEIGHT.
YOU SAY CHANGE TRUSSES BECAUSE THE OLD HOUSES USUALLY JUST HAD LIKE TWO BY TENS FOR THE FLOOR FROM WELL, YEAH.
WE'RE TRYING TO RUN THE AIR CONDITIONING DUCTS THROWN.
WHAT DID YOU SAY THE TRUSSES WERE? EXCUSE? YEAH.
HOW TALL ARE THE TRU? IS 18 INCH TRU 18? THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S NOT TOO TALL.
THAT'S A STANDARD TRUST STRUCTURE.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, ELEVATED THE HOUSE, UH, ON PUR AND BEAM.
AND WE ALSO, THAT COULD BE LOWERED, BUT WE, THAT AGAIN IS, WAS A SUGGESTED.
HOW HIGH IS IT OFF THE GROUND? UH, I DON'T, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT THAT.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE READING THESE DRAWINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF MY EYES ARE BAD.
UH, ORLANDO COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.
SEE, THE GARAGE WAS ON THE SLAB.
IT SAYS GARAGE MINUS TWO FEET.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SHOULD BE THE SAME THREE FEET FOUR INCHES.
IT'S KIND OF HIGH FROM THE 2019 APPLICATION, CORRECT.
I'M JUST HAVING TROUBLE LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS.
'CAUSE THERE SOME OF THE THINGS ARE CROPPED ON MY, MY PDF THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
AND I GUESS JASON, UH, JUST THE QUESTION ABOUT YOU, YOU SAID 30 FEET BEFORE THE EAVE FOR THAT MASSING EVE, I THINK YOU SAID RIDGE.
RIDGE RIGHT NOW THE RIDGE, THE RIDGE ON THE FIRST FRONT MAIN STRUCTURE IS AT 32.
AND THEN IT TAPERS DOWN AS WE GO BACK BECAUSE THE, THE, UH, THE RIDGE IS 10 OVER 12 AT RIGHT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS IF THE FRONT MASS GOES DOWN TO 30 FULL HEIGHT, HEIGHT, UM, IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON, ON THE EVE HEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION TO THAT MASS IN FRONT.
IF THEY'RE THE SAME AND, AND THE PITCHES ARE THE SAME, BUT THE BUT THE PIECE RIGHT BEHIND THE FRONT MASS IS NOT AS WIDE, THEN THAT RIDGE WILL COME DOWN, CORRECT? YES.
THE, THE AND DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK STAFF IS TO THE BACK IS A LOWER RIDGE HEIGHT.
I DON'T THINK STAFF IS ASKING US TO PUMP UP THE ROOF SLOPE TO A HIGHER RIGHT.
YOU WANT US TO DROP THE FRONT SECTION.
AND SO IF THAT DROPS EVERYTHING SORT OF LIKE DROPS WITH IT AND YOU CAN MAINTAIN THE ROOF PITCHES.
WELL, IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE THE MORE WE CAN KEEP THE, THE UH, RIDGE SLOPES THE SAME, THE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THE HOW WOULD BE, I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TOO MANY VARIATIONS ON THE, ON THE SLOPE.
THE ONE IN THE BACK THAT IS A LOWER SLOPE IS SORT OF HIDDEN BETWEEN THE OTHER, UH, 10 ON 12 PITCHES.
UM, I JUST, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE
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IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOWERING THE RIDGE ON THE MAIN MASS IN THE FRONT PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RIGHT TO 30 FEET, THEN UM, THE MASS THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE FRONT MASS, IF IT MAINTAINS THE SAME ROOF SLOPE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE ASKING TO DO WELL, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT AS WIDE AS THE FRONT MASS, THEN THE RIDGE WILL BE LOWER THAN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SOMEWHAT.WELL I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WOULD CONSISTENTLY ALTER THE PITCH OF THE ROOF ON EACH SECTION SO THAT IT WOULD JUST GENTLY BRING EVERYTHING DOWN SO THAT THE FRONT WOULD BE AT THE 30 THAT, THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
IF THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
UM, AGAIN, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD DEFINITELY PREFER TO KEEP IT AT 32.
WE'VE, WE'VE REVISED THIS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION.
I I THINK THIS IS LIKE THE FIFTH TIME WE'VE DONE IT
I DO HAVE THREE MORE SPEAKERS SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS AVA ENGLE.
UM, SO, UH, MY NAME IS AVA ENGLE.
I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER I'VE OWNED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1990.
UM, WITH THE INTENTION OF BUILDING OUR FOREVER HOME.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN 2019.
WE HAD SOME MEDICAL, SERIOUS MEDICAL ISSUES IN OUR FAMILY, UH, INCLUDING MY MOTHER.
AND SO THAT MADE US REVISIT THIS DESIGN, UH, TO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE.
AND THIS TIME IT HAS A BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WHEN WE REVISITED THIS, WE TRIED TO KEEP THE FRONT FACADE EXACTLY AS IT WAS TO MINIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS GOING FORWARD A SECOND TIME.
SO I WOULD HOPE WE COULD HONOR WHAT WAS APPROVED.
A COA WAS ISSUED, A BUILDING PERMIT WAS EVEN ISSUED.
SO I'M JUST HOPING FOR A LITTLE CONSISTENCY FROM THIS BOARD SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WE WANNA LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M ASKING CAN WE MOVE FORWARD AS IS? UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME NEIGHBORS THAT THE HOUSE IS KIND OF WEDGED IN THE BACK CORNER.
WELL THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE ASKED TO HONOR A 17 FOOT SETBACK ON THE FRONT THE LAST GO ROUND.
SO IT GOT KIND OF PUSHED TO THE CORNER, WHEREAS WE WENT INTO THE MEETING THINKING IT WAS 15 FEET.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOWERED THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS ANOTHER REQUEST FROM THE ORIGINAL PEER AND BEAM STRUCTURE.
AND SO I WOULD I GUESS ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE NUMEROUS CHANGES WE'VE MADE AND THE REDESIGN.
AND THIS HOUSE IS EVEN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
HE NOTED WE DON'T HAVE A FULL SECOND STORY.
I THINK THE HOME IS MORE IN CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
AND SO I GUESS THAT'S MY REQUEST OF YOU.
I HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP, WHICH IS, UH, CARMEN FREES SENIOR.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER ONLINE.
AND THAT'S FOR CARMEN FREES AND CLAUDIA GARCIA.
AND THEY HAD CONCERNS OF, OF THE APPLICATION? THEY DO.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT.
BUT THERE'S ONE OF THE EMAILS, IT'S FROM THEM.
THE SECOND EMAIL THAT DATED TO JANUARY 10TH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET NOW.
AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT.
EMAIL SECOND FROM, FROM THE BOTTOM.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
I GUESS THERE'S IN FRONT OF THEIR DISCUSSIONS OF STAFF.
I DO HAVE, IF THE COMMISSION REAL QUICK.
I BELIEVE THE SECOND EMAIL THAT STATED ONE 17 THAT CAME IN JUST YESTERDAY, IT DID MENTION ABOUT THE SIDE SETBACK AT FIVE FEET.
I THINK BELIEVE THEY'RE BRINGING IT UP, THE CONCERN THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO THEM.
IT SAYS THE NEW PROJECT AT 6 0 9 SABINE IS CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY LINE FIVE FEET AWAY IN WILL OBSCURE OUR VIEW OF DOWNTOWN.
AND IT ALSO SAYS VERY TALL AND PREFER IF THE STRUCTURE WEREN'T SO BIG AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DENIED THE PROJECT THAT IF YOU LOOK THOUGH IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THAT WAS TAKEN FROM 2019.
THEY HAD THEIR OBJECTIONS BACK THEN, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE OLD SIX BOARD CIVIC ASSOCIATION ON THIS PROJECT OF THIS AT THIS TIME.
HAS, DO WE KNOW IF THEY, TO THE ARCHITECT OR THE APPLICANT, CAN THEY SAY IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SEEN THIS OR SORRY, YOU'VE CLOSED IT.
ARE YOU ADDRESSING ON THE WEST, UH, SPACING? THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY THREE FEET FROM THE ROBBERY LINE AND WE DID MOVE IT.
WE JUST SUGGESTED ANOTHER TWO FEET TO THE CURRENT FIVE FEET AHEAD ALL THE WAY.
UH, WE MOVED IT FROM THE THREE FEET SETBACK TO THE FIVE FEET.
SO IT ACTUALLY HAS JUST BEEN MOVED ANOTHER TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
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IF WE HAD BUILT IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN EVEN CLOSER.SO WE WERE TRYING TO UPLOAD THAT.
SO HAVE Y'ALL COME BACK TO THE OLD, DID YOU GO BACK TO THE OLD SIXTH WARD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH THIS, WITH THESE REVISIONS? UH, EVERYTHING WAS POSTED ON.
THEY, WE HAD TO POST ALL THE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING.
WE BROUGHT IT UP AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD NOTHING BACK FROM THEM BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
MR. YA, CAN I ADD TO THAT MATT, A QUESTION FOR YOU? APOLOGIZE, I'M A LITTLE DEAF.
UM, I JUST HEARD A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT THE OWNER SAID THAT THE HEIGHTS OF THE, UH, THE PIER AND BEAM HAS BEEN DROPPED IN 2019.
WE, WE LITERALLY WENT THROUGH FIVE, I BELIEVE PRESENTATIONS AND CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL.
WE HAD TO MODIFY AND CUT BACK AND CHANGE AND SHE'S BEEN VERY PATIENT
SO WHAT IS THE LATEST AT THE HOUSE REVISED? WHAT IS THE LATEST THEN? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? WHAT IS THE LATEST FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR? I THINK WE JUST SAID THAT WAS THREE, THREE FEET.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UM, AFTER I WAS APPROVED AND GOT THE PERMIT, THE ONLY CONTACT I'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHEN ARE YOU GONNA BUILD
I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASK ABOUT THAT AND EVEN WANT TO BUY THE LOT 'CAUSE IT'S A CORNER LOT AND IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I ASSURED THEM I AM STILL ON THIS TRAIN.
I AM GOING TO BUILD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S WHY I'M BACK HERE TODAY.
WELL, WHILE YOU'RE STANDING, I'D JUST, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE AND FOR BEING HERE TODAY FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS AMONGST COMMISSION MEMBERS? MR. STAVO HAS A STATEMENT? YES.
MY POINT ABOUT THE 32, UH, THE 32, I'M SORRY, THREE, TWO, THE RIDGE HEIGHT.
UH, MY, MY POINT IS THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, CFA OF A HOUSE THAT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, MAYBE, UH, TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET THAT WAS REALLY TALLER.
I THINK IT WAS PROPOSED AT 34 OR SOMETHING.
AND I FOUGHT, WE FOUGHT THAT OVER AND THE HOMEOWNER DIDN'T WANT TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT, SO WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND THEY FINALLY AGREED TO REDUCE IT TO THE 30 FEET.
UM, SO I FEEL THEY WANTED TO BE FAIR TO, AND EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE, WE FOUGHT THAT BATTLE TO, SO WE WANT THAT TO BE FAIR FOR EVERYONE.
SO WE GO FROM 30 TO 32 AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION AT THE TIME.
UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER MCNEAL, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE HOUSE THAT COMMISSIONER STAVE REFERRING TO WAS BUILT AND IS CURRENTLY A 30 FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT.
IS THAT ACCURATE? OBJECTION? YES.
THIS IS FOR COMMISSION MEMBER STAAVA.
IS THIS THE ADDRESS YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, SIR? 30? NO, IT'S FURTHER DOWN.
WELL, AND THE OTHER, I MEAN, I'LL JUST, I'LL ASK KIM, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, AGAIN, THE COMMISSION WAS DIFFERENT A FEW YEARS AGO.
THE, THIS APPLICATION HAD TO, HAD TO COME BACK HERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, UM, REVIEW THE SUBMISSION THAT IS BEFORE US, UH, BECAUSE, UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE APPARENTLY TO THE INSIDE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THERE WAS A NEW BUILDING PERMIT REQUIRED.
THEY COULD NOT REACTIVATE THE OLD BUILDING PERMIT NUMBER.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THAT IT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO YOU ALL.
UM, THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE STRUCTURE IS, IS SMALLER, BUT IT IS, BUT THERE'S A REQUEST FROM STAFF TO LOWER A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
MOVING ON, UH, TO ITEM A 10, I GUESS ROMAN, CAN I ASK YOU, CAN WE PRESENT A 10, 10 A AND 10 B AS AS ONE PRESENTATION? OR IS THAT PROBLEMATIC? I, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE TWO YOUR PROMOTION, I'D LIKE KEEP THEM SEPARATING CHAIR SINCE THE, SINCE A CAME HERE AND WENT TO HPAB AND, AND JUST SPECIFICALLY A WAS SENT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORDS AND KEEPING, I'LL SPEAK QUICKLY.
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1819 CANE IS ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, ANOTHER ADDRESS THERE WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN, IS IT 7 1 6 SILVER.WHAT HAPPENED? UH, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION IN JANUARY OF, I'M SORRY, IN MAY OF 23, WHICH WAS DENIAL OF A C OF A, AN ISSUANCE OF A C OF R FOR WORK COMPLETED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE AWNING BE REINSTALLED AND THE FINAL DESIGN BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND YOU GUYS ACCEPTED THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN THE, THE APPLICANT APPEALED TO HPAB AND THE, UM, HPAB AFFIRMED THE DECISION ON THE PART OF THE OLD HOUSE IN THE BACK OR THE ON THE SIDE.
THE OLD HOUSE, THE HISTORIC HOME.
THAT'S SEPARATE WOODEN STRUCTURE BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UM, WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM IS ABOUT.
AND IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, ACTUALLY, JASON STEPPED OUT.
HE, WE HAD OUR ORDER WORKED OUT, BUT LET'S GO.
UM, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER IT AND H-H-P-A-B ASKED YOU TO RECONSIDER IT DUE TO, UH, THE ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT IS PART OF YOUR PACKET.
UM, AND THAT DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN IN THE, IN, UH, THIS DOCUMENT BEGINS RIGHT THERE ON AS, AS SAMANTHA'S JUMPED TO.
AND WE WANT TO GO FORWARD IN THERE.
NOW, THE GIST OF THIS REPORT IS THAT THE PREVIOUS, IT AFFIRMS THAT THE PREVIOUS AWNING WAS UNSAFE.
AND AS A REMINDER, UH, CITY STAFF, UH, ASKED THAT THIS AWNING BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT, IT WAS UNSOUND IN, IN A HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC.
NOW WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT'S REALLY, I THINK A COUPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT'S OR THE ENGINEER'S REPORT AND THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE PART OF IT, AS WELL AS AN EMAIL THAT, UH, CAME FROM PETE STOCKTON THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THIS, UH, OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
THE, THE KEY ISSUE IS THAT IF YOU WERE GONNA BUILD BACK THAT AWNING TODAY AND MEET CURRENT STANDARDS, YOU WOULD IN EFFECT NEED TO TAKE A, TO TAKE A LOT OF THE BRICK OFF AND, AND, AND IMPROVE THE, UH, STRUCTURE BEHIND IT AND THEN PUT THE BRICK BACK TO HANDLE THE, THE WIND LOAD.
UM, BUT I WANNA GO AHEAD AND JUST READ PETE, 'CAUSE HE SUMMARIZED IT REALLY WELL HERE.
HE SAYS HE LIVES NEXT DOOR TO THIS BUILDING AND HE'S BEEN WATCHING IT, THE BUILDING FOR 27 YEARS.
HE SAYS HE IS BEEN A SENIOR STRUCTURAL INSPECTOR OVER HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PROJECTS FOR 16 YEARS, AND HE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THOUSANDS OF PROPERTIES.
I SAY THIS TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTACTS FOR HIS OBSERVATIONS.
HE SAYS IN, IN, AND HERE'S THE KEY THING IN HIS DEALINGS WITH BRICK VENEERS ON A HUNDRED YEAR OLD BUILDINGS, IS THAT HE CANNOT CALL TO MINE A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF AN INTACT BRICK TIE.
THEY ARE TYPICALLY 20 GAUGE STEEL THAT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO MOISTURE AND ELECTROLYSIS IN THE MORTAR.
AND I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH MANY EXAMPLES OF BRICK VENEERS PULLING AWAY FROM STRUCTURES.
SO WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE VENEER WOULD'VE BEEN SECURELY AFFIXED TO THE STRUCTURE.
BUT, AND THE MOUNTING ANCHORS INTO THE MASONRY FOR THE CANOPY SUPPORTS WAS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE BRICKS WERE TIED TO THE FRAME.
THE STRUCTURAL LOAD FROM THE CANOPY WAS SPREAD OVER THE WALL FRAME WITH MULTIPLE TIES.
100 YEARS LATER, THE BRICK TIES OVER HAVE AGED RIGHT.
IN ORDER TO SECURELY FASTEN A NEW CANOPY OR NEW CANOPY SUPPORTS THE TIES THAT WE SEE IN THE IMAGES, WE ONE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO THE FRAME AND BUILD IT OUT TO TAKE AN OUTWARD LOAD TO SUPPORT THE CANOPY.
THIS, THE BRICK WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND THE WALLS WOULD NEED TO BE REFRAMED.
THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE ORIGINAL BRICK IF REMOVED DUE TO BREAKAGE.
SO HE'S IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT NOT, UH, THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING IS OKAY, WHICH WE ISSUED.
AND THEN WE, THAT THE, THE REPOINTING AND THE BRICK REPAIRS AND THE WOODWORK BE ALLOWED.
IF WE CAN GO BACK, THERE'S SOME NICE IMAGES OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE KIND OF EARLY ON IN, IN ABOUT PAGE 13 OF THE REPORT.
UM, SO YOU SEE THE, THE WOODWORK, THE TRIM WORK HE DID TO KIND OF PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK THAT KIND OF COVERS THE MAIN THING THAT, THAT WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU WITH THE MOON OPS AND THE OWNER HERE IS, IS HERE TO SPEAK TO IT.
BUT I WANNA ALSO RAISE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE
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IS MEANT TO REQUIRE IN THIS APPLICATION, IN THIS SITUATION THAT THE OWNER PUT IT BACK, UH, THE OWNER WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, IF NOT REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BRICK TIE, UH, CHANGES.AND SO TO ME, I WOULD, AN ANALOGOUS SITUATION WOULD BE THAT IF A TORNADO OR A HURRICANE CAME AND RIPPED SOMETHING OFF LIKE THIS OR MADE SOMETHING UNSTABLE AND UNSAFE, LIKE A UNFORTUNATE CASE WITH ABU AN OLD BUILDING BEING BURNED, UM, AND THAT WHERE THE FIRE CHIEF SAYS IT'S GOTTA BE TAKEN DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT STABLE, THEN THERE THERE'S NOT A, A REC THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T, UH, HAVE A TOOL WHEREBY SOMEONE IS FORCED TO DO SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DO FEEL IS GOING ON HERE, THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE SOMEONE TO RESTORE THE BUILDING.
JUST LIKE THE, EVEN LIKE FEDERAL WORK ON TAX CREDIT PROJECTS DON'T REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO RESTORE A BUILDING.
THEY HAVE TO NOT DAMAGE EXISTING FABRIC AND BE APPROPRIATE WITH WHAT THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE IT BACK TO A POINT IN TIME.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION THEN AGAIN IS DENIAL OF SEA, OF A ISSUANCE OF SEA OF R OF THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING REPOINTING REPAIRS AS NEEDED.
UH, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, WHAT IS THE SUBSTRATE BEHIND THE BRICK VENEER TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS BUILDING? AND IT, IT'S WOOD.
THE OWNER'S HERE AND HE IS BEEN DOING THAT WORK, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SHIP, YOU KNOW, WELL SHIPLAP THERE AND THEN THE FRAMING OR THE, SURE, I'LL JUST OFFER THAT FOR THIS PROJECT OR ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT'S BRICK VENEER THAT'S BACK BACKED UP BY A WOOD SUBSTRATE WALL.
IF THE SUBSTRATE IS STILL VIABLE BEHIND THE BRICK, THEY DO MAKE ICAL SCREWS THAT YOU CAN SCREW THROUGH THE MORTAR OF THE BRICK AND ENGAGE THE WOOD BEHIND THAT WILL REESTABLISH OR RECONNECT THE BRICK TO THE WALL FRAMING.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, STRUCTURAL SYSTEM THAT ATTACHES A AWNING TO VENEER BRICK.
YES, BUT NOT A WHAT, LIKE THREE BOLD CONNECTIONS AND OTHER, OTHER KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT I CONCUR WITH WHAT PETE IS SAYING THAT, I MEAN, BRICK VENEER IS NOT A STRUCTURAL, IT'S VENEER.
AND UM, BUT, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE WAYS OF FI FIXING THE BRICK TIE ISSUE, BUT YOU STILL WOULDN'T SUPPORT A CANOPY WITH BRICK TIES, YOU KNOW, IN A VENEER SYSTEM REGARDLESS.
UM, SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT OF WHAT YOU PRESENTED.
UM, OKAY, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ROMAN? IS THE CHAIR, IS THIS A NEW APPLICATION? IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A REVISED APPLICATION.
'CAUSE WHEN THE, THE APPEALS BOARD KICKED IT BACK TO US, DID THEY, DID IT GET CANCELED? AND NOW THIS IS A TOTALLY NEW APPLICATION.
THEY KICKED IT BACK AND WE LEFT IT UNDER THE SAME NUMBER BECAUSE, UM, THEY AFFIRMED THE DEC AS IT'S NOTED HERE, THE HPAB ACTION AFFIRMED THE DECISION OF HHC WITH RESPECT TO THE WOOD FRAMED COTTAGE AND THEN ASKED HHC TO RECONSIDER THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING AT A FUTURE MEETING.
SO WE JUST BROUGHT IT BACK UNDER THE SAME PROJECT NUMBER.
SO WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST SAY IT WAS OKAY TO LEAVE THE AWNING OFF? WHY ARE THEY MAKING US DECIDE? LIKE, IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE THAT THEY'RE ABDICATING THEIR ROLE TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
ARE THEY EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT? I WOULD HAVE TO BE CONJECTURE ON MY PART.
IS THIS KIM, DO YOU, IF I MAY SAY, I THINK THE ENGINEER REPORT THAT, UM, ROMAN PRESENTED WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE FIRST ROUND.
AND SO THE HP FELT LIKE YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND SO THEY WANTED YOU TO CONSIDER IT AGAIN WITH THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
CONSIDER WHAT'S ON THE RECORD BEFORE YOU ALL DEFERENCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF? I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.
UH, SO JUST TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND, IF, IF WE, UH, DON'T ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE, THEN THEN IT, WE COULD GO BACK TO APPEAL.
DO WE, I I MISSED THE FIRST CONVERSATION.
HAD TO LEAVE THE MEETING EARLY.
DO THE, THE, UM, SO PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP HERE, BUT THE APPLICANTS OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS, IS THIS AN AESTHETIC? THEY DON'T WANNA REPLACE THE AWNING OR IT IS STRUCTURALLY CONDITIONALLY A BURDEN TO DO SO? I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO ASK ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT PETE LOOKED AT THIS, THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE A REPLACEMENT CANOPY STRUCTURAL, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE APART THE BUILDING AND LIKELY
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LOSE HISTORIC FABRIC TO DO SO.AND UM, AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES SOMEONE TO RESTORE A BUILDING, DO THAT OR SIMPLY TREAT THE BUILDING WITH, WITH CARE ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHICH WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, WHICH ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE, BUT THEY STILL DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO RESTORE SOMETHING.
BUT THE AWNING WASN'T ORIGINAL, RIGHT? LIKE IT WAS A REPLACEMENT, NOT WHAT WE DETERMINED.
BUT THERE WASN'T AWNING THERE ORIGINALLY WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IT, THERE'S NO PROOF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ONE MM-HMM
YEAH, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS THERE.
THEY JUST KNOW THAT THIS ONE'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE SEVENTIES OR THE EIGHTIES OR SOMETHING.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ENGINEER LETTER FROM INSIGHT SAYS THAT IT DOESN'T RESIST UPLOAD, SO YOU'D HAVE TO PUT STEEL COLUMNS OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE THOSE STRAPS ONLY DO THINGS PULLING DOWN AND IF THE WIND BLOWS UP, IT'LL JUST BLOW OFF IF THERE'S A HURRICANE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO GREAT WAY TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
QUESTION, UM, FOR STAFF, I NOTICED THERE'S NO PICTURE, UH, OF THE ROOF.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND FROM PRE FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT THE, THAT THE HOOKS HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE PIER AND GO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT WHAT? IT'S NOT.
SO THE, SO THE WALL AND THERE'S A HOOKS THAT CONNECT AND IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT HAS SCREW ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE ENTIRE, ITS ENTIRETY TO THE OTHER SIDE, UH, TO CONNECT TO THE NUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
SO THAT IT DIDN'T NEED TO, IT DIDN'T NEED TO REPLACE ANY, IN ANY OF THE MATERIALS, BUT JUST THE SCREW.
AM I, IS THAT CLEAR? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? YES.
ARE YOU SAYING IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS PERFECTLY CLEAR BECAUSE THERE'S NO PICTURE TO BEING SHOWN THAT, UH, THAT THE SCREW IS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE WALL.
THERE'S NO PICTURE THERE TO DEPICT THAT, THAT'S CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
THE, AND I'M NOT, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THAT PHOTO IS NOT THERE, BUT I DON'T RECALL SEEING ONE.
AND IF, IF, UH, IF, IF WE'RE NOT SEEING IT, WE'RE JUST NOT, YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT.
UH, THE OWNERS HERE AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT I WOULD SAY CO COMMISSIONER, I THINK FROM UNDERSTANDING THE ENGINEERING OF IT, EVEN IF THAT ANCHOR PASSED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT STRUCTURE, JUST ON THE FACE OF IT, WHAT COMMISSIONER COUCH HAS SAID IS THEN STILL YOU WOULD HAVE NO, UM, UH, NO ABILITY TO HANDLE AN UPLOAD ON THE AWNING.
SO EVEN IF THAT ANCHOR WAS HERE AND IT'S, IT'S HANDLING IT FROM FALLING DOWNWARD, IF THE WIND COMES AND TAKES IT UP, IT CAN TAKE IT OVER.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURALLY VERY DIFFERENTLY IF ONE WERE GOING TO TRY IT.
AND I'VE, IN FACT, SORRY, BUT I'VE REMEMBERED A THIRD KEY FACTOR IN THIS IS THAT THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ALSO HAS EXPIRED.
NOW, NOW THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGOTIATION.
WE BELIEVE THAT EASEMENT REALLY RELATED TO THE BUILDING, UH, FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE AWNING, THEN EITHER WAY THAT AGREEMENT WOULD NEED TO BE REDONE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CITY STANDS ON THAT.
SO, BUT THAT'S A, UM, MAYBE THAT'S A RED HERON AND, AND NOT RELATED TO THE CONVERSATION.
I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, WHO'S AN ATTORNEY AND SAID THAT, UH, THERE'S NO, UH, THERE THERE WAS NO EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
NO, I I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE, THE, THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT HERE AND NOW THAT'S DATED.
UM, IF WE COULD LOOK, UM, WELL WE CAN PULL IT UP, BUT I, I'LL FIND IT REAL QUICK.
MR. YAPP, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, YES I DO.
BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THE OTHER SPEAKER WHAT PAGE IS THAT? SPEAK FIRST BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE OWNER AND WE MAY HAVE A LOT MORE.
STILL THERE'S JASON, YOU WERE GONNA DRIVE FOR ME.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN PLEASE ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE IT.
WHAT, SO, UH, ON Y'ALL'S, IN YOUR, IN YOUR PDF, CAN YOU ZOOM IN? THIS IS THE DOCUMENT.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET A DATE ON IT.
EXPIRATION, YEAH, I FOUND IT 30 YEARS, RIGHT? IT'S 30 YEARS.
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30 YEARS I THINK AT THE TOP OR 30 YEARS, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.AND THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WERE OUTSTANDING AND, AND THEY, I MEAN, OF COURSE THEY CARED FOR A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN OLD SIX WARD.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT'S INTERESTING.
THE PREVIOUS OWNERS I KNOW HELPED OLD SIX WARD A LOT AND WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN EARLY PRESERVATION.
THE COMMISSIONER COUCH'S QUESTION OF THAT, THIS AWNING I BELIEVE WAS IN THE 1990S AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED, THIS PARTICULAR AWNING, UM, THAT THOSE OWNERS PUT ON.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE, THE PUBLIC, UM, HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
AND I DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGN UP.
MR. WILL BOONE CHAIR HICK NOTE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
THAT COMMISSIONER COLLUM IS NO LONGER PART OF THE MEETING DUR AS OF 5 0 7.
IRONICALLY, UH, IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY EXPIRES OR THAT'S TODAY ACTUALLY IT SAYS ONE 18 OF 94.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
UH, MY NAME IS WILL BOONE, MY WIFE STEPHANIE AND MY DAUGHTER AND I LIVE AT SEVEN 16 SILVER 1819 CANE STREET.
ON APRIL 17TH, WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION AND PLANS TO REMOVE A FAILING AWNING ON OUR HOME.
AFTER EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION AND A MEETING ON MAY 1ST, WE RECEIVED INSTRUCTION TO REMOVE THE AWNING, DOCUMENTED IN AN EMAIL.
WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD FULL APPROVAL FROM THE CITY AND BELIEVED WE ARE ELIMINATING A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD.
UM, AT THAT POINT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE DECISION ON OUR PART WAS NOT MADE WITH ANY SORT OF AESTHETICS IN MIND.
IT'S NOT, WE HAVE A, A FINITE BUDGET TO REPAIR THIS BUILDING.
THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF LEAKING, A LOT OF WOOD ROT.
AND, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PROJECT PRAGMATICALLY AND, UM, HOLISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THINK ABOUT HOW TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING.
I'M AWARE OF MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A HOMEOWNER AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND DEPARTMENT OF PRESERVATION TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE BUILDING.
THIS IS SORT OF A THING I PREPARED FOR OUR APPEALS.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHAT PETE HAD TO SAY.
I CAN TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT BRAD HAD TO SAY.
UH, BRAD DOUGHERTY OF INSIGHT STRUCTURES, UM, BRAD DID, UH, THE, THE SUPPORTS THEY DO NOT GO THROUGH TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF.
THEY GO TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE IN THE CRAWLSPACE OF THE ATTIC.
UH, I DIDN'T GO UP INTO THE CRAWLSPACE.
BRAD DOHERTY, THE ENGINEER WHEN HE PREPARED HIS REPORT, ENTERED THE ATTIC, INSPECTED THE INSIDE, AND HE SAYS IN HIS LETTER, THE CONNECTIONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO RESIST CURRENTLY ACCEPTED DESIGN LOADS.
SO TO ME, THAT'S SAYING HOWEVER THEY'RE ATTACHED, WHETHER IT'S TO THE FACADE OF THE BRICK, IT'S, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME IT WOULD RAIN, THE THE AWNING WOULD SWELL UP.
IT, IT WAS NOT PROPERLY SEALED.
UM, IT WOULD KIND OF TORQUE AND DROP.
I COULD PUT MY HAND UNDERNEATH IT AND LIFT IT UP AND IT WOULD WIGGLE.
UM, I FOUND THIS VERY ALARMING AND IT WAS LIKE HURRICANE SEASON AND I FELT LIKE EITHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MECCA, THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN THAT HANG OUT UNDER THE AWNING COMING, GOING FROM MECCA.
A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS WALK AROUND, UM, UNDER THE AWNING.
AND, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE UNFORTUNATELY NECESSARY THAT WE HAD TO, TO REMOVE IT.
AND, AND, AND ON JANUARY 20, JANUARY 12TH, 2022, PRIOR TO OUR PURCHASE OF THE HOME, RED STAR HOME INSPECTION STATED THE FOLLOWING, THE AWNING WAS SHOWN TO BE IN POOR CONDITION ISSUES INCLUDE WOOD ROT AND SEVERAL LOCATIONS WHERE STRUCTURAL ANCHORS WERE OBSERVED TO BE PULLING AWAY FROM THE BRICK WALL.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND, CAN I FINISH THIS AGAIN? FIGURE MORE TIME.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU EVALUATE THE STRUCTURAL ANCHORS TO ENSURE THEIR INTEGRITY.
SO THIS WAS AN ISSUE AT THE POINT THAT WE PURCHASE THE HOME, UM, AND WE KEPT OUR EYE ON IT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DESIRE TO PUT THE AWNING BACK? UM, YOU KNOW, I FIND IT SORT OF TO DO WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED DOING, REMOVING THE BRICK FACADE THAT'S ACTUAL HISTORICAL MATERIAL.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT WOULD BE DONE TO THE BRICK.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SORT OF FINANCIAL HARDSHIP OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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UH, THE OTHER PART OF OUR APPLICATION IS TO REPAIR, I THINK, 30 WINDOWS THAT ARE ROTTEN.AND THAT'S SORT OF HOW I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MY MONEY.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BETTER USE OF, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, I NEED TO, I NEED TO WEATHERPROOF THE HOME KIND OF FIRST AND FOREMOST.
AND I'M DEALING WITH THE WINDOW ROT AND THERE'S ALSO A PARAPET, UM, WITH A TILE, SPANISH TILE KIND OF COPING AROUND THE TOP OF IT.
A LOT OF THE SPANISH TILES, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THE PICTURES A LOT.
AND RATHER THAN REPLACE 'EM WITH LIKE MATERIALS, THE PREVIOUS OWNER PUT SORT OF LIKE A VINYL, UH, COMMERCIAL ROOFING PATCH ON THOSE AREAS.
SO I'M GETTING ACTIVE LEAKS INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I NEED TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ROMAN AND THE REST OF PRESERVATION.
UM, I INVITED OLD SIX WARD TO DO A SITE VISIT.
I SENT THEM ALL THESE ENGINEERING RESPO, UH, REPORTS AND THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO ME.
SO I'M TRYING MY BEST TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH EVERYONE AND I'M NOT REALLY FINDING MUCH SUCCESS.
UH, MR. BOONE, DO YOU LIVING IN THE PROPERTY NOW? YES SIR.
IT'S NOT A, UH, A RENTAL PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M FLIPPING.
I LIVE AND I WORK THERE LIKE THE ORIGINAL OWNERS DID THE TRA FAMILY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
IF, IF WE CAN ASK YOU, UM, IT'S AN IMPORTANT BUILDING THE SIXTH WARD.
SO I DON'T MEAN IT TO BE AN I QUESTION.
IT'S IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE AND, AND SPECIAL IS AND SAFE BET IT WASN'T BUILT TO BE A RESIDENCE.
IS THAT, ARE THOSE THE THINGS THAT YOU ADMIRE A ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHY YOU FOUND IT, IS THAT IT'S UNIQUE? I, YEAH.
I'M A NATIVE HOUSTONIAN AND I HAD A FRIEND THAT LIVED ON STATE STREET AND I'VE ADMIRED THIS BUILDING FOR 20 YEARS AND I SAVED MY MONEY AND I WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE IT AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, HAVE LEFT HOUSTON AND COME BACK.
I GREW UP HERE AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY ENJOY IS PARTS OF HOUSTON LAKE SIXTH WARD THAT LOOK LIKE IT DID 20 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M TRYING TO ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY AS A HOMEOWNER TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, WHEN YOU GOT THE NOTICE TO REMOVE THE AWNING, WAS THAT, WAS THAT, THAT WASN'T FROM THE, THE PERMITTING OFFICE? THAT WAS FROM THE, THE HISTORIC DEPARTMENT.
WHO, WHO, WHO GAVE THAT LETTER, LETTER TO YOU? EMAIL BUILDING DEPARTMENT HISTORIC AFTER, UH, AFTER PETE STOCKTON INSPECTED THE AWNING.
SO YASMIN, SO FROM HISTORIC, ASKING THEM TO REMOVE THE AWNING, YOU MAY REMOVE THE AWNING.
THERE'S A COPY OF THE EMAIL IN THE, UM, SO THEN, SO THEN WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS? LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE ALL I AGREE WITH THE STAFF SAID TO TAKE IT OFF.
I, I GUESS I DON'T OUR MOTION WAS TO PUT IT BACK.
OUR MOTION WAS TO PUT IT BACK, OUR MOTION WAS, HEY, YES, YOU CAN REMOVE THE AWNING 'CAUSE IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD.
AND NOW WITH NEW INFORMATION FROM THE ENGINEER, WHAT HE'S PROPOSING IS SAYING PUTTING IT BACK CAUSES MORE DESTRUCTION TO THE BUILDING THEN.
AND IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T AN ORIGINAL AWNING TO THE BUILDING MOTION.
AND I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, ACCEPT RECOMMENDATION.
I HAVE TO FIRST CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO CAN WE CLOSE THE, CAN WE GET GOING? WELL, FIRST IT'S, IF, IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE AND PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME NOT HEARING.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SOMEONE HAS RAISED THEIR HAND IN THE CHAT.
THIS COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, UH, SOMEONE HAS RAISED THEIR HAND IN THE MEETING.
STEPHANIE BOONE AND ERIC POPS UP ON MY COMPUTER IS ERIC PIERCE.
UM, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
UM, CAN THE PERSON WHO RAISED THEIR HAND ONLINE ANNOUNCED THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
CAN, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
I'M AT A, MY JUNIOR HIGH KIDS BASKETBALL GAME, BUT, UM, I AM THE, I'M WITH, I'M WITH COLOR HOUSES.
AND, UM, I AM THE BUILDER WHO IS WORKING WITH WILL AND STEPHANIE, UH, THE OWNERS TO, UH, TO DO THIS WORK.
UM, MY COMPANY, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OUR NAME UP THERE BEFORE.
WE DO A LOT OF PRESERVATION WORK AND, AND WORK, UH, IN THE HEIGHTS AND, AND, UM, IN SIX WARD IN THE VARIOUS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO DO PRESERVATION WORK, ADDITIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
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AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE THING, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS KNOWN.UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WILL ORIGINALLY CALLED US, IT WAS, IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE AWNING, YOU KNOW, HE GAVE US THE INSPECTION REPORT THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FROM WHEN, UH, THEY HAD BOUGHT IT THAT, THAT HE REFERENCED BACK IN 2022 AND ALL THAT.
AND, UM, SO OUR, OUR JOB HAS BEEN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRESERVE IT.
AND WE WORK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD, UH, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS LIKE OUR ARE PRESERVED LAST BY DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND TIME AROUND OR THIRD OR FOURTH OR HOWEVER MANY TIMES, UM, THAT IT'S BEEN REMODELED.
BUT, UM, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOOK THE STRUCTURE DOWN, WE, WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT IT AND WE DISCUSSED WITH WILL JUST REPAIRING IT AND STUFF, AND IT WAS JUST NOT REPAIRABLE.
AND THAT'S WHEN, UH, WILL TALKED TO UM, UH, PETE STOCKTON AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN HE EMAILED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUEST TO TAKE IT DOWN AND THAT, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS JUST DETERMINED TO BE VERY UNSAFE.
BUT WHEN WE TOOK IT DOWN, UM, WE DID, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK IT APART.
THE, THE MOST OF THE AWNING WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, AS PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED.
UM, WE, WE AREN'T SURE IF THERE WAS, THERE'S, THERE ARE INDICATIONS THAT THERE PROBABLY WAS AN AWNING THAT ORIGINALLY MOTION, MOTION TO CONTINUE.
ALRIGHT, UH, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK.
UM, ANYWAYS, WHEN WE TOOK IT DOWN, UM, WE PRESERVED LIKE THE LITTLE MEDALLIONS THAT ARE STILL IN THE BRICK.
UM, WE PRESERVED AS MUCH OF THE BRICK AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CLEANED UP THE BRICK AROUND IT.
WE ACTUALLY PULLED OFF BRICK TO REUSE TO IN, IN OUR REPOINTING PROCESS AND IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAD TO PATCH IT UP AND EVERYTHING.
UM, AND UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN WITHOUT, EVEN WITHOUT THE AWNING THERE, THERE, THE, THE, UM, THE HISTORIC PIECES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO US WHEN WE DID THE WORK REMAIN AND IN FACT ARE NOW WE BELIEVE ARE, ARE HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE OTHER BU BRICK BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE WAS CLEARLY, CLEARLY AN AWNING AT SOME POINT.
AND PEOPLE HAVE REALIZED OVER THE YEARS THAT THE WAY THAT THAT AWNING WAS AS BRAD AND AND PETE POINTED OUT IS, IS JUST NOT A GREAT WAY TO PUT UP AN AWNING, UH, ESPECIALLY IN, IN, UH, HURRICANE PRO IN HOUSTON.
AND SO WE RETAINED AS MUCH OF THE, UH, THE HISTORIC PIECES AS POSSIBLE AND ARE CONTINUING TO DO SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYONE'S PERMISSION AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR, WITH OUR OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE HOUSE, UM, THAT, THAT WILL'S TALKED ABOUT.
UM, BUT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD FOR, FOR ME? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
ABOUT PROCESS OR ELSE READY FOR A MOTION? OKAY.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? COSTCO SECOND.
CAN I ASK MY QUESTION NOW? YES, MA, I'VE WAITED HALF HOUR.
SORRY, I LOST TRACK OF YOUR QUESTION, BUT PLEASE.
NUMBER ONE, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE I'M RIGHT NOW FACING IT MYSELF FROM, UH, RATING OF 110 MILES PER HOUR.
OUR LATEST CODES SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO RATE OUR CONSTRUCTION TO 136 MILES AN HOUR.
THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERY MUCH HIGHER CONSIDERATION FOR PERMITTING WHAT, WHATEVER YOU DO.
SECONDLY, ACTUALLY, MY QUESTION IS DIRECTED AT YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR.
UH, THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A, A, UH, CANOPY OR AWNING ONTO THE VENEER.
BUT IN COMMERCIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN AN AWNING IS INSTALLED, AND I PRESUME YOU NEED TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THE, INTO THE BACK OF THE, UH, FRAMING, AND THEN IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION TO BE EVEN STEEL BARS TO RATE THAT, TO NOT GET BLOWN UP AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING TUMBLING DOWN.
UH, THAT IS THE, I THINK A COMMERCIAL, UH, APPLICATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY PUNCTURE THE ENTIRE FRAMING OF THE WALL AND, AND PUT STEEL BARS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UH, GRADE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN IMPOSE ON A, ON A, ON A HOME THAT IS NOT COMMERCIAL.
UH, HE LIVES IN THE HOME, I PRESUME.
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HIM IN THAT REGARD.FOR ME, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AWNING IS GOOD.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOT EVEN ORIGINAL, UH, IN THIS CASE.
AND I THINK THE STRUCTURAL PURVIEW TAKES HIGHLIGHT OVER EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT I THINK THE MOTION TAX RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO PUT IT BACK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO PUT THE OKAY, GOOD.
THEN YOU DIDN'T NEED TO COME BACK HERE ACTUALLY.
OKAY, SO, SORRY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLAKELY.
SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SHARED EARLIER THAT SAYS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REPLACE THE AWNING, THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, I BELIEVE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, I CAN RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER BLAKELY, UH, IT'S, IT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, BUT IT, BUT IT, THE ORDER'S A LITTLE HARD TO RECOGNIZE, BUT IN THE BIG GRAY SHADED BOX UP HERE, THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY, JANUARY 18TH, 2024 IS TO, AGAIN, THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A C OF A.
SO WE'RE ISSUING A C OF R, DENIAL OF THE C OF A AND ISSUANCE OF A C OF R FOR THE REMO, FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING, REPOINTING, AND REPAIRS AS NEEDED.
UM, SO WE ARE SAYING THAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS FINE AND ACCEPTABLE, AND WE'RE ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO ASK TO ISSUE THE C OF R, ACCEPTING THAT.
SO, SO CAN WE VOTE? CAN WE VOTE? WE CAN VOTE.
THEN I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, BUT, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
ALL, ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES.
MY ONLY QUESTION FOR ROMAN IS IF THE APPLICANTS DID WHAT THEY WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO FROM THE, FROM THE CITY GOVERNMENT, UM, WHY WOULD THERE BE A C OF R? UM, LIKE, LIKE, I MEAN, LIKE, USUALLY LIKE, LET'S, LET'S SAY THEY WERE DOING A TAX ABATEMENT FOR THEIR PROJECT.
THEY A C OF R, THEY CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BECAUSE IT YOU'RE PENALIZED, I BELIEVE.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT NO, THEY, NO, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG ON, ON THEIR HAND.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, WELL, WHY C OF R? YES.
AND THAT TIES TO SOMETHING COMMISSIONER COUCH.
YOU ASKED EARLIER, KIND OF WHEN YOU ASKED WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS? I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING A DIFFERENT QUESTION, WHICH TIES TO THIS.
IT CAME TO YOU GUYS AS A C OF R ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS WORK ON THE COTTAGE IN THE BACK DONE WITH NO PERMIT AND WITHOUT A C OF A, THE BA THE BACK.
SO, SO AT FIRST, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU BACK HERE IN MAY, THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE C OF R BECAUSE THERE WAS WORK ON THAT COTTAGE.
AND THEN THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP IS TIED EXISTING.
AND THEN THIS COMMISSION PUT THE C UH, SAID THE AWNING HAD TO GO BACK.
UH, COMMISSIONER CHE, IF THAT COMES UP AND IF THERE'S AN APPLICATION FOR SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE, UH, WE'LL LOOK CLOSELY AND I'LL ASK LEGAL'S HELP AND SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY IT CAME TO YOU THE FIRST TIME AT, AT ALL.
IN FACT, LET'S JUST SAY IF THERE WAS NO WORK ON THE COTTAGE AT ALL, THEN I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD'VE REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT WE HAD AND DID WE EVEN NEED TO COME TO YOU? RIGHT? BUT ANYWAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CHOICE.
BUT WITH THAT ROMAN, I GUESS WE STILL HAVE A A 10 B.
SO, EXCUSE ME BEFORE WE PROCEED.
WAS THAT LAST VOTE UNANIMOUS OR WAS THERE ONE IN OPPOSITION? I, I BELIEVE IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE AWNING BACK, WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE AWNING BACK.
THIS THING IS ALL DAMN CONFUSING.
IS THE SAME BUILDING COMMISSIONERS IN 10 B IN THE SAME BUILDING.
UM, WILL HERE, WILL BOONE HAS, HAS, IS JUST ASKING FOR A C OF A TO REPAIR HIS WINDOWS.
NOW, YOU COULD HAVE CONSIDERED IT ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, BUT IF YOU SEE IN THE REPORT ON THE LAST PAGE, HE'S ACTUALLY HAD ALL OF THE SASHES BUILT, UH, WITH KIM DRIED, WHAT WAS IT? MAHOGANY MAGAN, MAHOGANY KILN, DRIED MAHOGANY SASHES.
THESE ARE IMAGES I'VE TAKEN THERE AND I CIRCLED THE DAMAGE.
YOU'RE IN A CASE WHERE YOU REALLY NEED TO REBUILD ALL OF THIS, AND SO HE'S GONNA REBUILD IT ALL.
CAN I REBUILD MY HISTORIC WINDOWS TO MATCH MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, I HAVE TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
UM, WELL, I, I HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, SO I THINK
UM, AT THIS TIME I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, UH, MI MR. BOONE, YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK.
I'M JUST REPLACING WITH EXACT COPIES WINDOWS THAT WORK, THAT OPEN THAT, UM, THEY'RE LIKE FOR, LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WOOD.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANYONE ELSE
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ANY MORE TIME.WELL, UH, SINCE YOU'RE STANDING UP, I'M SORRY FOR A SECOND.
WHO'S DOING THE WORK? IS IT BEING DONE LOCALLY? IT'S LIKE PER, LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO REPLACE, UH, WITH EXACT GOODS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
I'M ONLY ASKING A NOSY QUESTION.
IS IT WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO IN FACT IS DOING THAT WORK? WHO, WHO'S, WHO BUILT THE ASHS FOR YOU? IS IT A LOCAL COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE WORK FOR YOU? ARE YOU DOING IT YOURSELF? HOW IS IT BEING DONE? UH, ERIC PIERCE AND ZACH HAYNES, THE COLOR HOUSE IS CONTRACTORS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH ON PROJECT AND WELL, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY SEEM TO BE IN HIGHLY ESTEEMED, AND THEY'RE UP FOR A GOLD BRICK AWARD FOR A PROJECT THEY DID ON DECATUR THIS, THIS YEAR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE NOTE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL IN FAVOR? BUT THE MOTION IS ACCEPT STAFF.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
UM, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM B, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
UH, COMMENTS FROM THE H-A-H-C-I-I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT GLENBROOK VALLEY.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS TO DO TO LIKE, DO OUTREACH.
HAVE WE EVER CONTACTED LIKE HAR DIRECTLY AND SAID, SEND THEM A MEMO TO LIKE, SEE IF THEY WOULD CIRCULATE IT WITH THE AGENTS TO, TO TRY TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND WHAT WHAT THEY MEAN? AND, UM, I KNOW WE KEEP TRYING TO, TO TRACK DOWN SOME OF THESE WINDOW COMPANIES, BUT HAVE WE EVER SENT ANY LETTERS TO WINDOW COMPANIES? LIKE, LIKE WINDOW WORLD AND YEAH, I WROTE THAT DOWN TO SOME OF THESE THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT WITH HAR AND THE OKAY.
BECAUSE WITH R WE, A SPEAKER OUTREACH OR SOMETHING MAYBE FROM ONE OF YOU ALL TO SPEAK TO H HR R I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF HAR, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GATHERINGS.
IT'S SUCH A HUGE, BECAUSE THE CITY IS SO BIG, IT'S SUCH THERE ISN'T REALLY CONTINUING HEAD ON THE WEBSITE.
LIKE, MAKE IT SO IT'S NOT OPTIONAL.
LIKE, LIKE IT'S A CATEGORY THAT HAS TO BE, THAT HAS TO BE CHECKED.
LIKE YOU CAN'T NOT SEE IT IN BECAUSE REALTOR FORM WHEN YOU LIST THE HOUSES AND GET TO SAY IF IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT.
BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME CATEGORY THAT'S LIKE, NOT OPTIONAL.
I THINK MOST OF THEM USE THE STANDARD REALTOR FORMS. WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT.
UM, THERE ISN'T SPECIFIC STATE GOVERNANCE TO, WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T, NOT REQUIRE, BUT ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT, IT'D BE GREAT.
I I THINK HONESTLY, IT'S, AND TO COMMISSIONER VEDAS COMMENTS EARLIER, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS SO HARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING IN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY TOO.
AND IT HAS TO COME FROM THE REALTORS.
THEY HAVE TO WANT TO LEARN THIS.
I MEAN, WE CAN POST IT TO THEIR WEBSITE.
WE CAN OFFER SPEAKERS BUREAUS.
THEY HAVE TO WANT TO LEARN THIS AND KNOW THIS.
AND HOMEOWNERS, I MEAN, THAT HOMEOWNER EARLY MS. FLORES EARLIER TODAY, SHE WILL READ THOSE THINGS THAT COME IN THE MAIL.
UM, I MEAN IF, IF MY TAX BILL COMES AND I JUST DIDN'T READ IT BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO, I'M STILL ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW WHEN YOU'VE JUST SPENT OR FINANCED WINDOWS.
BUT I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE, WE HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE.
UM, THE STAFF HAS, HAS RESPONDED.
UM, THERE'S STILL MORE WE CAN DO.
WE CAN CONTINUE THAT EDUCATION.
I THINK AS A PUBLIC BODY, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, BUT I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST AS SICK OF PEOPLE COMING AND SAYING, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WELL ACTUALLY YOU APPLIED FOR A COA IN 2001, SO YOU DID.
IT'S TUGGING AT THE HEARTSTRINGS, BUT IT, IT, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL.
WELL, I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES, UH, OVER, OH MY GOD, LAST TWO, THREE YEARS THAT THEY TRUST THE WINDOW VENDOR TO GET THE PERMITS.
WELL, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING VERY HARD IN A, IN A POORER INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW A LOT OF DETAILS YET.
WHEN THE, WHEN THE HAWKISH AND THE ALTRUISTIC VENDORS COME OVER, THEY'LL SAY, OF COURSE I CAN DO EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, UH, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND AT THE END, ONCE THEY GET THEIR FINAL CHECK COLLECTED, UH, YOU NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN.
SO IN THIS CASE, IS IT A HOMEOWNER OR IS IT IT THE HAWKISH VENDOR THAT, THAT I AM REALLY, AND WE USED TO TALK ABOUT OKAY, WRITING TO ALL THESE VENDORS
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AND TELLING THEM THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL OR NEED TO DO AND SO ON.BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT LETTER HAS GONE OUT.
OR WAS IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO STILL DO? BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO HIT IT FROM THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, RIGHT? THE VENDORS, THE HOMEOWNERS, WHICH IS THE EDUCATION LEVEL, AND THEN FROM H HR R, WHICH IS THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE SELLING, UH, I'VE COPIED COM UH, UH, COMMISSIONER EK ON, ON ALL THIS, THAT THE, THE VEN THE, THE H HR R AGENT IS BLATANTLY LYING.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET ALL THE BUILDERS TO COME AND BID ON IT.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEN THEY, THEY BRING A BIG BACKHOE ON FRIDAY NIGHT, AND BY MONDAY MORNING THE BUILDING IS HALF GONE.
AND, AND THEN WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT? SO IN THIS CASE, WHERE ARE WE IN THE, WELL, WE, WE DISCUSS, WE DISCUSSED A PREVIOUS MEETING.
IF YOU HAVE REPEAT, LIKE REPEATED COMPANIES THAT CONTINUE TO DO THIS, LIKE THERE'S LIKE ONE, ONE OR THREE COMPANIES THAT, THAT I BE, YOU KNOW, CAN THE, CAN THE CITY WRITE A LETTER IF THERE WE HAVE A REPEAT REPEATED ISSUES SO THAT THEY'RE ON NOTICE? UM, YEAH.
WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT LAST SUMMER AND THE TEAM MET TO DO THAT, AND WE, UM, HAVE DROPPED THE BALL.
I THINK I KNOW JUST ANECDOTALLY FROM, UM, TERRANCE'S, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SALESMAN OVER HERE IN THIS OFFICE, OR MAYBE THEY'RE AT HOME OR MAYBE, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE INSTALLERS.
INSTALLERS AND THE MONEY PEOPLE.
SO, I MEAN, WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT I, I WAS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DISILLUSIONED WHEN I HEARD YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR STORY, TRYING TO TALK WITH THEM AND TRYING TO GET THEM TO, TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
BUT WE WILL PICK THAT BALL BACK UP AND SEND SOMETHING AND I WOULD, WHEREVER WE CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE, IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ALUMINUM WINDOWS COULD RECONVENE AND MAYBE MAKE A SHORT, A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION ON MILL FINISH MM-HMM
ALUMINUM WINDOW OPTIONS SO THAT WE COULD AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT AND BE AWARE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TODAY.
BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED BEF LIKE BEFORE AND AFTER COVID, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGE CHANGES.
I WOULD, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLANKLY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE AN APPEAL.
I GUESS GOING BACK TO THE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION THEME FOR, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP PEOPLE GET EXCITED ABOUT LIKE, HOME OWNERSHIP AS NOT JUST SOMETHING PRAGMATIC, BUT LIKE WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, LIKE SOMETIMES YOU BUY A HOUSE AND IT'S NICE AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT CARING FOR THE NICE ASPECTS OF THE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO TALK UP SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL ASPECTS OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST GO TO HOME DEPOT AND PICK WHATEVER IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE, BUT THEY GET THAT SORT OF EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE HOUSE AS A DESIGN, LIKE AS A WORK OF ARCHITECTURE.
AND COMMISSIONER BLAKELY A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WINDOW WORKSHOP IN GLENBROOK VALLEY RESTORING AN OLD, YOU KNOW, 1960 ERA ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND MAKING 'EM LOOK BRAND NEW, SHINING 'EM UP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A VIDEO I THINK SOMEWHERE THAT STAFF HAS OF THAT PROCESS, BUT MAYBE DOING THAT KIND OF PROGRAM AGAIN, LIKE, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE, THAT'S ONE WAY TO LIKE SHOW HOW YOU CAN REPAIR AND MAKE THEM LOOK NICE.
UM, I MEAN, THAT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, LIMITED NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.
'CAUSE YOU HANDS ON WERE RESTORING ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
AND, AND I'LL ADD, WE FOLLOWED UP WITH A, A PROGRAM IN, UH, IN ONE OF THE, UH, MAJOR CHURCHES IN GLENBROOK VALLEY WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAKELY, THE THINGS THAT YOU, THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE HISTORY OF GLENBROOK VALLEY IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHAT WAS SIGNIFICANT AND UNIQUE ABOUT IT AND, AND WHY THE PEOPLE WHO THERE SHOULD BE PRIDEFUL OF IT.
AND THAT THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED TOO.
OF COURSE, PROBABLY A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WE'D LIKE TO REACH WERE NOT THE ONES IN THE ROOM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE WHAT WE CAN.
AND THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO CELEBRATE THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF GLENBROOK VALLEY'S, UM, BECOMING A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IT MAY BE TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN.
AND THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, HERE AT RICE FOR OUR PUBLIC PROGRAMMING FOR THE COMING YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THEME OF PRESERVATION.
SO THERE, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE MIGHT BE A PARTNER WITH THE CITY, UM, I, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.
UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT GLENBROOK VALLEY IS NORTH AND SOUTH OF BELFORT WRIGHT.
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OF BELFORT ARE MORE UNIQUE AND INTERESTING.AND I THINK THAT SECTION OF GLENBURG VALLEY IS PROBABLY MORE INVOLVED AND ATTENDED THE CHURCH, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THE AREA SOUTH IS VERY BLUE COLLAR, SMALLER HOUSES AND AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF RICE WANTS TO SEND A LOT OF STUDENTS GO BLOCK WALKING OR SATURDAY, I MEAN, I WOULD PARTICIPATE IF YOU COULD SET SOMETHING UP WHERE WE JUST WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND STARTED KNOCKING ON HOUSES AND SAY, DO YOU KNOW YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND PASS OUT AND JUST TRY TO GET THAT AREA EDUCATED AT LEAST THAT, YOU KNOW, AN EFFORT FROM THIS COMMISSION TOWARDS DOING SOMETHING ON A NICE WARM DAY IN MARCH OR APRIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO THAT, I THINK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WINDOW WORKSHOP THAT, THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU REALLY NEED A LOT, A LOT OF EDUCATION AND EFFORT TO CHANGE THIS TIDE.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION EVERY THREE MONTHS FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE, SIX YEARS, WHATEVER, AT BLOOMBERG VALLEY.
JOHN'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE.
I'LL ASK MY PLANNING PLAN MAKING AND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STUDENTS AS WELL IF THEY'RE, IF ANY OF THEM ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING THIS ON AS A PROJECT FOR THAT, FOR THAT CLASS CREDIT.
RHONDA, YOU, YOU GET A COMMENT IF I GET THERE TONIGHT? I DO, I DO WANNA PREFERRED LIST OR MICROPHONE PLEASE.
IF THERE IS A PREFERRED VENDOR LIST, UM, WHO WORK, WHO ARE WORKING WITH THIS COMMISSION FOR, FOR WHAT? JUST SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE FOR THE ILLUMINA WINDOW TO DO THEIR, REDO THEIR WINDOWS, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR? WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR.
I THINK, UM, BECAUSE IT SO THAT THOSE WINDOWS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT OF THAT ONE HOME, UH, THE DIAMOND SHAPED WINDOWS, THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL.
THOSE ARE NOT, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL CRAFTSMANSHIP, BUT IT'S SAD THAT, THAT THAT HOMEOWNER NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO TO THOSE AND THEY CAN'T BE REBUILT.
UM, BUT JUST FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS, NO MATTER WHAT HISTORIC DISTRICT THEY LIVE IN, IF THERE IS FOUR WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR, A VENDOR LIST THAT THIS COMMISSION CAN SHARE WITH, WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THEIR, THEIR WORK, AND I ASSUME STAFF DOES SEND THAT OUT WHEN PEOPLE CONTACT FOR COAS, THE PROBLEM WE CONTINUE TO SEE IN C VALLEY, THERE'S PEOPLE COME UP AND SAY, I DON'T HAVE A, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD, I NEEDED PERMISSION TO DO THIS.
OR THOSE STREET SIGNS AND TOPPERS WERE MEANT FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY MUST MEAN IS NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANT TO BE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I, THAT'S, I, THAT'S MY FOND HOPE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.
COMMISSIONER CURRY, THEY WOULD NOT.
UM, I DO HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY AND THAT'S RELATIVELY ADJACENT TO MY AREA.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS THAT DON'T, WHEN I TELL THEM, DO YOU KNOW YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN
AND THEY ARE HOMEOWNERS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RENTERS TOO.
SO, UM, AND AND THEY DON'T CARE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO NO, EXACTLY.
BUT THE, TO FINISH THE WINDOWS SUBCOMMITTEE DOES HAVE, UH, NOT OF VENDORS PER SE, BUT OF, OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE, THAT WITHIN COMPANIES HAVE PRODUCTS WITHIN THEIR RANGE OF TOTAL PRODUCTS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, MAY BE, UH, APPLICABLE TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF REPLACEMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE GENERATED, UH, AS COMMISSIONER WEER JACKSON, UH, UH, MENTIONED, UH, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT COST LESS THAN REPLACEMENT.
THERE ARE WINDOW INSETS, ESSENTIALLY INTERIOR STORM WINDOW TYPE OF PRODUCTS BY MULTIPLE COMPANIES THAT CAN HELP WITH THE, UH, THERMAL, UH, INEFFICIENCY OF OLD WINDOWS, ET CETERA.
AND, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL REPAIR COMPANIES HERE THAT THERE MAY BE HARDER TO FIND THAN THE GUYS THAT ARE KNOCKING ON DOORS TO SELL YOU, UH, NEW VINYL WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THAT, THAT LIST IS AVAILABLE TOO.
WELL, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WORKSHOP COME BACK.
I WAS, I WAS OUT OF TOWN AND COULDN'T PARTICIPATE THE LAST TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE NEXT ROUND.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REPORT.
ROMAN, I WAS GONNA SAY NO REPORT, BUT I WILL SAY THE VIDEO'S PRETTY GOOD.
I GOT IT TO COME UP, BUT I DON'T WANNA BURDEN YOU WITH 15 MORE MINUTES OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU GOOGLE CITY OF HOUSTON PLUS WINDOWS PLUS RESTORATION, YOU'LL SEE GLEN BOOK, VALLEY WINDOW SHOP, AND I JUST LOOKED THROUGH IT AND WE,
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WE GOT PUT TOGETHER WITH, UM, CITY STAFF AND A FELLOW WE HIRED FROM LOUISIANA THERE.UM, WHAT I NOTICED, IT DOESN'T SHOW THE FINISHED PRODUCT, WHICH I WORKED ON A LOT,
WE, WE SHINED UP ALL THE OLD ALUMINUM AND WE KNOW FROM THE OWNERS THAT IMMEDIATELY THEY NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE, UM, UH, THE ROOMS. YOU KNOW, THE WI THERE WEREN'T FEELING ANY BREEZES COMING THROUGH THEIR WINDOWS.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE DID THAT WORK.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD VIDEO AND THANKS FOR MENTIONING IT.
AND, AND IT'S UP, RIGHT? YOU, YOU'RE SAYING AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY WHO GOES TO LOOK FOR IT COMES UP ON YOUTUBE AND I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
ABOUT HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? HAS THAT BEEN, WHAT WAS THAT? PRE COVID? SO COUPLE YEARS, LIKE MAYBE IT'S BEEN THREE OR FOUR NOW.
I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
JASON VIDEO LEAST THREE, PROBABLY THREE YEARS.
WHEN DID WE DO THE WINDOW WORKSHOP WITH THAT GUY FROM LOUISIANA? WE DID, UH, WE DID THAT WINDOW WORKSHOP DRIVE AROUND IN MARCH, 2021.
NOT THE DRIVE AROUND, THE ACTUAL, UH, REPAIR OF WINDOWS.
THE VIDEO, THE WORKSHOP FOR THE WINDOW REPAIRS ONE YEAR AGO.
WE DID THE RESTORATION ON, UH, UH, DOVER STREET.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, SO THAT'S JUST BEEN TWO YEARS NOW.
UM, ASKING ME FOR THE NAME OF THAT GENTLEMAN, I CANNOT REMEMBER AT THIS TIME.
I LOVE THE GRAPHICS 50 STYLE DESIGN.
THE HOUSTON PLANNING DEPARTMENT UPLOADED.
UM, I REALLY WANTED TO SAY, AND, AND THE REASON WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO, THERE ROBINSON, BUT THE, THE MAN THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR HTV, HE'S, HE, I, I WANTED TO HONOR HIM.
I'M GONNA FIND HIS NAME AND GET IT TO HIM.
HE'S NO LONGER WITH THE, HE, HE PASSED AWAY, BUT HE PUT THAT TOGETHER, THAT VIDEO FOR YOU? NO, IT WAS ANOTHER GUY WITH THE CITY, ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WORKED WITH THE HTV TEAM, BUT, UH, SURE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE ADJOURNED.