[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on December 14, 2023.]
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THURSDAY, DECEMBER 14TH, 2023.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
UH, TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM, I WILL CALL THE ROLE AND I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THAT ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
UM, IS VICE CHAIR, UM, BETH WEAU JACKSON PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
DO NOT HEAR HER AT THE MOMENT.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLAKELY IS SICK TODAY.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER COLLUM.
I MR. COMMISSION COLUMN, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU IN ATTENDANCE.
I CAN SEE HER AND I CAN, I CAN SEE, SORT OF SEE HER MICROPHONE IS MUTED.
WELL, I KNOW I HAVE QUORUM, SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE WITH THE ROLL CALL AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, UH, CONNECT.
COMMISSIONER STAAVA PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
AND ALSO I HAVE, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OLIN PRESENT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE PRESERVATION WORK.
UM, THAT'S HAPPENED THIS YEAR.
UH, WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 376 APPLICATIONS, UH, DURING 2023.
SINCE YOUR LAST REPORT, WHICH WAS IN NOVEMBER, WE'VE RECEIVED 25 NEW APPLICATIONS AND THE COMMISSION REVIEWED 14 OF THOSE STAFF REVIEWED NINE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS THIS PAST MONTH, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 126 ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
UM, THIS YEAR STAFF ALSO PROVIDED TWO PRE-DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATIONS OR CONSULTATIONS THIS PAST MONTH FOR A TOTAL OF 42.
UH, THIS YEAR WE, UH, ONE LANDMARK AND 10 PROTECTED LANDMARKS WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
UM, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND WE JUST WANNA WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, PRODUCTIVE 2024.
BEFORE I GO FORWARD, COMMISSIONER COLUM, CAN YOU, UH, ANNOUNCE THAT YOU'RE PRESENT VIRTUALLY? YES.
I COULDN'T HEAR A WHILE AGO, BUT I FIGURED IT OUT.
WE, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
I DON'T SEE MARTHA CORNO, SO I DON'T, DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT.
SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE HAHC, NOVEMBER 9TH, 2023.
COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY SUGGESTED, UM, CHANGES?
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AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? YEP.PROPOSALS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND MR. STAAVA SECONDS? THANK YOU ALL ALL IN FAVOR.
ARE THERE ANY AGAINST, ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? MAD NOT HEARING ANY OF THAT? MOTION PASSES.
AND I GUESS, ROMAN, WE WILL PROCEED WITH, UM, STARTING WITH ITEM A.
UH, THE POINT OF ORDER I WOULD, A, I'D ASK THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSION IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER, UM, LOOK, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION UPON A, ITEMS A, B, AND C AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF THREE BUILDINGS.
AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MEET THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT THAT THIS COMMISSION PROVIDE A NOTIFICATION TO THE THC AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER REGARDING, UH, THEIR SUPPORT OR NOT FOR THESE NOMINATIONS.
UM, ROMAN, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, IS THERE A MOTION TO CONSIDER ITEMS A, B, AND C AS ONE, AS ONE ITEM? THIS COMMISSIONER DE BOTH.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CONSIDER ITEMS A, B, AND C.
AND I'VE GOT A, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU.
ROMAN, YOU MAY PROCEED WITH, UH, THE FIRST ONE.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I, UH, THE FULL RE REPORTS FOR THESE ARE AVAILABLE INTO THE PUBLIC.
THESE ARE ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE.
IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SBR AGENDA, THE, THE STATE BOARD OF REVIEW OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION WILL MEET IN GALVESTON, TEXAS ON JANUARY 13TH, 2024, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF QUITE A FEW BUILDINGS IN PROPERTIES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
AND THEY'RE MEETING AT THE CITY NATIONAL BANK THERE.
W ITEM A, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING FROM THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THE KNAPP CHEVROLET BUILDING.
LAURA CARDA, WHO'S HERE, I THINK TO SPEAK ON A DIFFERENT ITEM TODAY, ACTUALLY PREPARED THIS NOMINATION FORM.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE'VE RECENTLY, UH, MADE IT A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
UM, THAT SCREEN IS SHOWING THE SAN JACINTO BUILDING, SO WE WANNA THERE MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST STAY WITH THE, THE NAT BUILDING FOR A MINUTE.
I'LL READ THROUGH WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE NAT FROM THE NARRATIVE IN THE REPORT.
THE NAT BUILDING BUILT AROUND 1940 IS LOCATED AT 1230 HOUSTON AVENUE AND SERVES AS AN EXCELLENT INTACT EXAMPLE OF SMALL SCALE 1940S AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS DESIGNED IN THE MODERN STYLE, THE BUILDING SERVED AS THE FIRST HOME OF KNAPP INC.
ALSO KNOWN AS KNAPP CHEVROLET.
STILL PRESENTLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HOUSTON AVENUE AND WASHINGTON AVENUE.
ONE OF THE OLDEST FAMILY OPERATED CAR DEALERSHIPS IN HOUSTON IS STILL IN BUSINESS TODAY.
THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN EARLY 1940 BY JOSEPH JOE FRANK ALBANO SR.
OWNER OF ALBANO LUMBER RIGHT DOWN THE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
DIAGONALLY NAPS OCCUPANCY WAS SHORT-LIVED DUE TO THE RAPID SUCCESS, AND IT RELOCATED TO ITS NEW LOCATION IN 1941.
THE BUILDING FEATURES A TAN BRICK VENEER EXTERIOR WITH HORIZONTAL STRING COURSES OF BLACK BRICK AT THE FREEZE VISIBLE ON THE PRIMARY INSIDE ELEVATIONS.
THE PRIMARY ELEVATION IS SYMMETRICAL WITH A RAISED STREAMLINED PARAPET AT CENTER AND METAL COPING.
A BRICK SQUARE DEFINED BY VERTICAL BANDS OF BLACK BRICK IS POSITIONED ABOVE THE CENTER BAY WINDOWS.
OTHER CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES INCLUDE CURVED METAL AWNINGS, FLAT ROOF, A FLAT ROOF, AND A MIX OF LARGE ORIGINAL AND REPLACEMENT DISPLAY WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT DOORS.
THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FLOOR PLAN IS LARGELY INTACT, AS ARE THE CONCRETE FLOORS.
FINISHES INCLUDE NEWLY PAINTED GYPSUM AND PAINTED WOOD TRIM.
IN LATE 2022, A REHABILITATION WAS APPROVED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND CARRIED OUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF INTERIORS STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE BUILDING RETAINS A HIGH LEVEL OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY.
THE NEXT BUILDING IS THE RIVER OAKS THEATER.
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WHAT A JOY TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, READ THIS INTO THE RECORD.THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BUILDING WAS HAD, WAS REALLY THREATENED WITH DEMOLITION AND THREAT.
LOTS OF THOUGHTS AND CONCERN ABOUT IT.
THE THEATER IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY MOVIE THEATER LOCATED AT 2009 WEST GRAY STREET IN RIVER OAKS, IN THE RIVER OAKS COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER IN HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE BUILDING THE PROPERTY IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF A STREAMLINED MODERN SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD CINEMA.
THE THE BUILDING IS RECTANGULAR IN PLAN, MEASURING APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET WIDE BY 170 FEET DEEP AT ITS WIDEST AND DEEPEST POINTS.
THE SHORTER BUILDING SPAN FACES NORTH ONTO WEST GRAY AND THE REAR FACES SOUTH ONTO PEIN.
EAST AND WEST SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE FLANKED BY COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACES OF THE SHOPPING CENTER BUILT AFTER THE THEATER.
THE THEATER IS STEEL FRAMED WITH A THREE-TIERED BUILT UP ROOF AND A STEPPED PARA PIT AT THE FRONT THAT DESCENDS TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THE NORTH FACADE FEATURES A RECESSED ENTRY TICKETING LOBBY THAT IS CLAD IN BURGUNDY AND CREAM ENAMEL STEEL PANELS AND FEATURES CURVILINEAR LINES WITH DETAILED TERRAZZO FLOORING.
THE ORIGINAL BOOMERANG SHAPED MARQUEE CONSISTS OF NEON LETTERING AND HORIZONTAL LINES WITH BANDS OF PORCELAIN ENAMELED STEEL.
THE SECOND FLOOR PARA PIT IS PAINTED WITH BLACK AND WHITE HORIZONTAL STRIPES ON THE ENAMORED STEEL PANELS REAR SOUTH, REAR SOUTH AND SIDE EAST WEST ELEVATIONS ARE PAINTED STUCCO AND ARE PAINTED STUCCO AND PROVIDE SECONDARY EGRESS.
THE INTERIOR FEATURES A PARTIALLY IN INTAKE FLOOR INTACT FLOOR PLAN AND ORIGINAL CHARACTER DEFINING BASE RELEASE SCULPTURES FLANKING THE STAGE IN GAUGE PLASTER COLUMNS SIDELINING AND THE STREAMLINED ALUMINUM DETAILED STAIRWAY.
THOUGH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER TIME, THESE ALTERATIONS WERE SYMMETRICALLY IMPLEMENTED AND THE THEATER RETAINS A HIGH DEGREE OF INTEGRITY.
AMANDA COLEMAN AT RYAN ACTUALLY DRAFTED BOTH OF THESE OR WROTE BOTH OF THESE NOMINATIONS.
THE THIRD ONE IS THE SAN JACINTO WAREHOUSE.
IT'S A ONE STORY RECTANGULAR PLAN.
13 BAY RED BRICK COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AT 1101 TO 1125 PROVIDENCE STREET IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, PERSONALLY WENT TO MANY, MANY ART EXHIBITS IN THIS, THIS TERRIFIC OLD BUILDING.
THE FRONT ELEVATION FACES EAST TOWARDS JACKSON STREET AND ITS FORM IS HORIZONTALLY ARRANGED, IS A HORIZONTALLY ARRANGED WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
ITS REPETITIVE MARCH OF TRIANGULAR PARA TRIANGULAR PARAPETS CONSISTENT BAYS AND EXTENDED FRONT LOADING DOCK WITH EXAGGERATED STEEL BRACKETS ARE UNIQUE FOR THE WAREHOUSE AREA OF HOUSTON.
THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1926 AND ITS ARCHITECTURE REPRESENTS AN INCREASED FOCUS ON RAIL TO ROAD SHIPPING AND RECEIVING IN HOUSTON.
TRUCK TRANSPORT AT THE FRONT RAIL AND AT THE REAR, THE REAR EAST ELEVATION FACES SET VINE STREET.
THE WAREHOUSE WAS DESIGNED TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF MULTIPLE BUSINESS TYPES WITH VEHICLE RAIL ACCESS AND MODULAR INTERIORS.
THE BUILDING CONSISTS OF 13 REPETITIVE TRIANGULAR PARAPET BAYS ON A RAISED CONCRETE FOUNDATION WITH INTERIOR METAL BOW TRUSSES.
THE EXTENDED FRONT LOADED LOADING DOCK CANOPY WAS, HAS EXAGGERATED STEEL BRACKETS.
THE FRONT, THE THE PROPERTY HAS A MODIFIED BITMAN ROOF BEHIND THE TRIANGULAR PARAPETS.
THE WAREHOUSE IS UNIQUE IN ITS LONG AND REPETITIVE GD FRONT BASE STRATEGICALLY CITED BETWEEN THE FORMER TRACKS OF THE GALVESTON, HARRISBURG, SAN ANTONIO RAILROAD, AND FROM THE WEST AND THE TEXAS NEW ORLEANS RAIL FROM THE EAST.
IT IS SOUTH OF THE FORMER LOCATION OF THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAIL YARD AND SHOPS.
THE REAR ELEVATION HAD A PRIVATE RAIL SWITCH AND THE FRONT WAS DESIGNED FOR VEHICULAR TRANSPORT, ORIGINALLY 18 BAYS LONG.
THE BUILDING WAS SHORTENED IN THE 1960S BY FIVE BAYS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF INTERSTATE 10.
MOST ORIGINAL OPENINGS ARE MAINTAINED IN SIZE WITH SOME VARIATION.
OVERALL, ORIGINAL STEEL WINDOWS AND ROLL UP DOORS REMAIN THROUGHOUT, DESPITE SOME ALTERATIONS.
THE BUILDING RETAINS A GOOD DEGREE OF INTEGRITY AND CONTINUES TO CONVEY ITS USE AS A MULTI-UNIT WAREHOUSE DESIGN AND CITED TO ALLOW TRUCK AND RAILROAD ACCESS TO A MIX OF TENANTS.
A LARGE FREESTANDING SIGN IS CLASSIFIED AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND EVEN WITH ALL THAT, I KNOW I'M NOT DOING JUSTICE TO, TO ALL THESE THREE.
SO THOSE REPORTS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE, THE FULL REPORTS, AND I'M ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO, TO FOLLOW THE REQUEST OF GREGORY SMITH, THE HISTORIC PROGRAMS OF THE HISTORIC PROGRAMS DIVISION OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
WHO REQUESTS THAT THE, UH, CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND
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SEPARATELY, THE, THE UHTO, THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION NOTIFY THE TCS NATIONAL REGISTERED PROGRAM AND THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM REGARDING THEIR OPINIONS IN REGARDS TO THESE NOMINATIONS.SO FOR THESE ITEMS, UM, WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS, BUT, BUT I GUESS THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE ARE, UH, SUPPORT THESE APPLICATIONS.
SO CAN I, CAN I CALL FOR A VOTE TO, YEAH.
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? I THINK THAT'S A FINE HERE.
UNANIMOUS SUPPORT IS ALWAYS GOOD.
SO I'LL FIRST START WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THESE THREE, THESE THREE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WERE DESCRIBED.
AND AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA ALSO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THESE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF NOW, NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, I GUESS, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, IS THERE SOMEONE TO BRING A MOTION THAT, JUST TO SAY THAT THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THESE THREE APPLICATIONS FOR NATIONAL REGISTRY COMMISSIONER CURRY SOUS.
IS THERE A SECOND SECONDS? OKAY.
ANY, UM, OPPOSING ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES THAT THE HAEC SUPPORT THESE, THE NOMINATION AS, AS PRESENTED.
UM, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THEM ON THE REGISTER.
AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL MEAN THAT WE'LL, THAT, THAT WORK WILL BE HAPPENING ON THESE STRUCTURES.
THAT WILL BE VERY GOOD AND, UM, ALLOW THEM TO BE WITH US FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM D, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR BRACEWELL BUILDING AT 5 6 1 3 ALAMEDA ROAD, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 4.
UM, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, THIS IS YASMINE ARSLAN I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM D UM, THE BRASWELL, UH, BUILDING AT 56 13 ALAMEDA ROAD IN HOUSTON.
THE SITE INCLUDES A ONE STORY CONCRETE MASONRY COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND ATTACHED TWO STORY WOOD FRAME, STUCCO CLAD APARTMENT BUILDING, AND A SMALL PARKING LOT SWELLS OF HOUSTON.
AT 56 13 ALAMEDA ROAD WAS BUILT IN 1950 AS A SHOP FOR LOCAL FOR FLORISTS, BW AND BLANCHE BRASWELL.
AFTER OPERATING AS BRASWELL OF HOUSTON FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, THE BUILDING LATER BECAME A COMMUNITY HELP FOR ARTS AND CULTURE.
FROM THE EARLY 1980S TO THE 1990S, OCCUPANTS INCLUDED NONPROFIT GALLERY, THE CENTER OF ART AND PERFORMANCE, CAP, SPECIALTY BOOKSTORE, AMISTAD BOOK PLACE, AND, UH, NON SORRY, AND NONPROFIT MUSIC ORGANIZATION, COMMUNITY MUSIC CENTER OF HOUSTON.
THE BUILDING IS ALSO A RARE SURVIVING EXAMPLE OF THE SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON ALAMEDA ROAD FROM THE LATE 1920S THROUGH THE 1960S.
56 13 ALAMEDA ROAD INCLUDES TWO ATTACHED BUILDINGS WITH A LOW SHED ROOF ADDITION EXTENDING ACROSS THE ENTIRE EAST REAR SIDE.
THE PROPERTY ALSO INCLUDES TWO SMALL PARKING LOTS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY BUILDING, IS A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING OF CONCRETE MASON RECONSTRUCTION ON A CONCRETE SLAB FOUNDATION, THE ROOF IS FLAT WITH A LOW FLAT PARAPET ON THE STREET FACING WEST SIDE, AND THE EXTERIOR IS CLAD IN STUCCO, AN ANGLED FLAT METAL CANOPY ON THE FRONT, UH, SHADES AND ASYMMETRICAL STOREFRONT DIVIDED INTO TWO BAYS.
THE NORTH BAY ANGLES INWARD AND CONTAINS THE MAIN ENTRY DOOR AND TWO ORIGINAL LOW BRICK PLANTERS.
THE FORMER GLASS AND METAL STOREFRONT HAS BEEN MOSTLY INFILLED WITH VERTICAL SIDING AND PLYWOOD.
A TWO STORY BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE STREET IS ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY BUILDING SOUTH SIDE.
THE TWO STORY BUILDING IS CLAD AND STUCCO AND HAS A SHALLOW PITCHED FRONT GABLE ROOF WITH A WIDE GABLE VENT.
THE WEST FRONT ELEVATION HAS A CENTRAL ENTRY DOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR COVERED BY A CURVED METAL AWNING WITH SCALLOP TRIM.
THE PROPERTY RETAINS ITS OVERALL ORIGINAL APPEARANCE.
THE MOST NOTABLE RENOVATION OCCURRED DURING THE
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1982 CONVERSION TO THE CENTER FOR ART AND PERFORMANCE WHEN CORRUGATED METAL WAS INSTALLED TO COVER THE ENTIRE STOREFRONT.THE CORRUGATED METAL HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED AND THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT ELEMENTS ARE VISIBLE AGAIN.
56 13 ALAMEDA ROAD MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 5 AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AND CRITERION ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE NOMINATION WAS PREPARED BY EMILY ARWIN WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE BRASWELL BUILDING.
AT 56 13 ALAMEDA ROAD STAFF RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION AND ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT.
BOTH ARE ATTACHED AT THE END OF THE REPORT.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, UH, ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY, NOT HEARING.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, ITEM OF DIFFERENT, SORRY, I, I HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGN UP FOR THIS ITEM AND I WILL BEGIN, UM, WITH LAURA CARRERA.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE RE RESTATE YOUR NAME THEN.
IT'S NOT MY FIRST TIME HERE, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, I AM HERE ON BEHALF, UM, OF MY CLIENT, MICHAEL PITTMAN.
I'M AN ARCHITECT AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE RENOVATION, UH, FUTURE RENOVATION FOR 56 13 ALAMEDA.
WE HAVE CONDUCTED, UM, HISTORICAL RESEARCH, UH, THAT SUPPORTS EMILY KIL, UH, PRESERVATION HOUSTON'S NOMINATION.
UH, WE, WE DID, UH, WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THE COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED, UM, YESTERDAY.
SO I WOULD JUST KINDLY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, RECEIVE, UH, MORE INFORMATION ON, OR SOURCES ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, UM, THAT WAS POSTED YESTERDAY.
UM, I DID RECEIVE, I, WE, WE DID SOME INITIAL RESEARCH, UM, AND I REACHED OUT, UH, TO HISTORIANS STEVEN FOX TO SEE IF HE HAD ANY COMMENTS.
UM, AND THIS IS WHAT I RECEIVED, UM, ABOUT I, IRENE LEE PEGAN IS NOT A DESCENDANT OF ROBERT E. LEE.
HER GRAND GREAT-GRANDFATHER PETER LEE, SERVED IN A UNION REGIMENT, THE SIXTH WEST VIRGINIA.
AND SO WE HAVE INFORMATION ON HER.
SHE WAS MARRIED TO CHARLES PEGAN, WHO WAS PARTNER, UH, UH, AN ARCHITECT AND PARTNER WITH CHARLES, UM, UH, TE TEGAN.
HE WAS ALSO AN, UH, CHARLES, UH, TAPLEY, I'M SORRY, CHARLES TAPLEY.
UM, SO THEY WERE BOTH ARCHITECTS PARTNERS, UH, TOGETHER.
SO WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY EVIDENCE THAT WE, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THE NOMINATION, UH, ON THE PROTECTED LANDMARK.
THE NEXT SPEAKER WHO WAS SIGNED UP AND ORDER IS EMILY ARWAN WITH PRE PRESERVATION YEON.
SHE'S ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, BUT, AND SHE'S HERE ON STANDBY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF NOT, SHE'S NOT SPEAKING.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, I GUESS I SEE TWO STRUCTURES THERE.
ONE IS THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE AND THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
ARE BOTH OF THEM BEING CONSIDERED PROTECTED, LANDMARK, OR JUST THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE? BOTH ARE INCLUDED IN THE NOMINATION.
THE NEXT PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS MIKE PITTMAN.
COULD YOU, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE, FOR THE RECORDING? THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE, THE COMMITTEE.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 56 13 ALAMEDA.
UM, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT, THAT ARE THERE.
UM, UNTIL THEN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY A, A QUICK TIDBIT OF MY BACKGROUND.
I LIVE IN THIRD WARD, UH, ON KE ON KELTON STREET.
UM, MY FATHER WAS A DEVELOPER GROWING UP.
MY MOTHER WAS A REAL ESTATE BROKER.
UH, AND MY INTENTIONS ARE, WE LIVE IN, WE LIVE IN A CITY THAT, UM, HISTORICALLY LIKES TO TEAR DOWN HISTORICAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT REASONS.
MY MY IDEA OF SMALL SCALE DEVELOPMENT,
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ESPECIALLY OF, UH, ITEMS OF SIGNIFICANCE, IS TO KEEP STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING AND TO REPOSITION THEM ACCORDINGLY SO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAN BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT, LIKE THEY ENJOYED IT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.SO MY INTENTIONS FOR THIS PRO, FOR THIS, UH, 56 13 ALAMEDA IS TO DO JUST THAT.
UH, AND I'M, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT MR. CHAIR OR ANY, ANY ITEM, ANY OF THE OF THOSE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE.
THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IS MALCOLM LEE.
IS MR. LEE ATTENDING THE MEETING VIRTUALLY BY CHANCE? AND IF SO, WOULD YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? YES, I CAN.
UH, AND MY STATEMENT IS THIS, VOTE NO.
ON THIS PROJECT, THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION SUPPORTS PRESERVING THE CONFEDERACY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIRD WARD MISSING IN THE APPLICATION HISTORY.
THE STORY OF THE TWO LANDLORDS, IRENE LEE, PAGAN AND MARK ROUND, WHO BROUGHT IN THESE ARTISTS AND BOOKSELLERS CONFEDERACY MONEY MADE THIS POSSIBLE IN THE 1980S, IRENE LEE PAGAN NEVER HAD HID HER BACKGROUND TO THOSE SHE BEFRIENDED AND SUBSIDIZED.
SHE'S A PROUD DESCENDANT OF ROBERT E. LEE, THE MOST ICONIC SYMBOL OF THE CONFEDERACY.
THIS PROJECT IS SAYING, GOOD CAME FROM CONFEDERACY MONEY.
MARK BROWN, THE OTHER LANDLORD HAD A GERMAN NAZI MOTHER TOLD THE STORY OR VOTE NO.
NONE OF THESE ARTISTS, BOOKSELLERS EARNED LANDLORDS ASKED FOR THIS HISTORY TO BE PRESERVED.
THIS IS A CASE OF CULTURAL APPROPRIATION.
THE FINANCIAL GAIN BY NEW OWNERS OF 56 13 ALAMEDA.
THEY REFUSE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHILE HIDING BEHIND A LLC.
ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
UH, THE NEXT PERSON WHO SIGNED UP IS KAREN LEE.
AND IF YOU'RE ALSO ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, COULD YOU AGAIN RESTATE YOUR NAME, UM, AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? WHO DID YOU CALL, SIR? I HAVE KAREN LEE ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UH, I'VE, UH, I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR MY SISTER KAREN LEE.
I'M GONNA READ HER STATEMENT, PLEASE.
I'M READING THIS FOR MY SISTER KAREN LEE.
I AM A NEIGHBOR WHO RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING IN THE MAIL, BARELY A DAY AGO.
WHY THE RUSH TO CRAM THIS VOTE IN AT THE LAST MINUTE, GIVING NO ONE REASONABLE NOTICE? I SAY VOTE NO.
THIS BUILDING AND CULTURAL CLAIMS WOULD NOT HAVE CONTINUED TO EXIST WITHOUT THE EFFORTS OF THE FINANCIAL LIFELINES GIVEN BY THE BENEFICIARIES OF CONFEDERACY MONEY.
AND HIS YOUNG WHITE DEVELOPER NAMED MARK ROUND, WHO, ALONG WITH HIS FAMILY, WAS HIDING A NAZI PARTY MEMBER, HIS MOTHER IN THE UNITED STATES.
AFTER ABANDONING THESE PROPERTIES BACK TO THE MINORITY OWNERS SUCH AS MY SISTER, EVERYONE MARK ROUND MOVED TO THE KNOWN NAZI SUPPORTIVE REGION OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, WHERE HIS WHOLE CLAN THRIVES.
THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCLUDES THE NOD TO THE CONFEDERACY AND NAZI BACKGROUND SUPPORT.
THIS NEW APPLICANT OWNER THAT JUST SHOWED UP IN THIS COMMITTEE TODAY CANNOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PART OF THE HISTORY TO INCLUDE IN THE STORY AND WHAT TO EXCLUDE FROM OVER 30 YEARS AGO.
HERE AGAIN, IS A REMINDER THAT THIS IS MY SISTER'S VOICE.
I AM AN ARTIST AND SOMEONE WHO FORMALLY STUDIED ARCHITE ARCHITECTURE IN THE 1980S, 56 13.
ALAMEDA IS NOT THE BEST SAMPLE OF THIS KIND OF BUILDING TYPE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A BETTER SAMPLE.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS BETTER SAMPLES OF THIS BUILDING TYPE ALONG ALAMEDA ROAD.
I SAY VOTE NO ON THIS APPLICATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC EITHER ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF, AND IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGN UP, UP ON THIS, ON THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
WHO IS THIS SPEAKING NOW? HELLO? HELLO.
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SHE'S TRYING TO SPEAK.HELLO? UH, SIR, MAY I ASK WHO, WHO IS ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? WELL, THE ARCHITECT LADY.
UH, MY BROTHER JUST READ MY STATEMENT.
I AM WITHIN A STONES THROW OF THIS BUILDING.
THERE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO CULTURAL HUB THAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE LAST 30 TO 40 YEARS.
THIS IS A FAKE STORY BEING SPREAD.
AND I KNEW ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.
I KNOW IRENE LEE PAGAN, I KNOW MARK ROUND.
I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1980S.
YOU CANNOT HIT SELECTIVELY THE, THE GOOD PARTS OF A, OF, FROM A SERIES OF PRESS RELEASES GIVEN TO THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT MS. AR BLONDE'S BOSS TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD, UH, CUT AND PASTED FROM SOME ARTICLES IN THE CHRONICLE ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY CONTENTIOUS AREA AND CONTROVERSIAL AREA.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN MR. PITMAN, UH,
THERE WAS NO GIVEN ADVANCE NOTICE, BUT THEY SURE CAME OVER, UH, AND, AND DAMN IT MY PROPERTY.
AND WE WERE WONDERING WHAT IS GOING ON THIS.
THESE ARE NEWCOMERS THAT JUST ARRIVED AND ARE TRYING TO USE HISTORY AS THE BASIS, UH, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THIRD WARD.
WELL, I AS WELL HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE 1980S.
I GREW UP NEAR SUNNYSIDE IN THE 1960S IN BROOKHAVEN.
AND I AM SITTING HERE SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT PICK AND CHOOSE, UH, TO SAY HERE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE CON OF MONIES TIED TO THE CONFEDERACY AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO ABANDON THE AREA.
THERE HAS BEEN TIME, NO HUB OF CULTURE.
UM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.
UM, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS? ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEVO.
I MOVE THAT WE, WE, UH, APPROVED STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR A PROTECTED LANDMARK FOR THIS BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER JONES.
I THINK COMMISSIONER JONES WAS, WAS FASTER.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MO OF THE, UM, THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE THAT OPPOSE THE NOMINATION, ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS TO THE NOMINATION? OKAY.
CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON.
I, AND FINALLY ON THE VIDEO, JUST WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF KNOWN.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER E, A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA, ROMAN.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, STAFF, UH, REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ALL IN ONE MOTION.
UH, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THAT WOULD BE E 3 1 1 2 PAYNE STREET AND ALTERATION ADDITION IN GERMANTOWN FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM E FOUR AT 1131 PETTY STREET, ALTERATION WINDOWS AND SIDING AND NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM E 6 1 0 2 2 COLUMBIA STREET AND ALTERATION SIDING WINDOWS HEIGHT SOUTH FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM E 7 42 0 7 ROSELAND STREET IN FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
LET ME, UH, COMMENT WITH THE STAFF REAL QUICK ON THAT ONE.
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I AM SORRY.ITEM E SEVEN ROSELYN IS DENIAL OF A C OF A IN ISSUANCE OF A C OF R WITH CONDITIONS, DENIAL OF THE C OF A AND ISSUANCE OF A C OF R WITH CONDITIONS, PLEASE.
ON E SEVEN E 8 5 20 EAST 20TH STREET IS ALTERATION OF A SIGN IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, EACH FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM NUMBER 9 5 1 5 BRA APPLIED.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITION.
CONDI APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ON BRA.
WE HAVE THAT NOTED AS A DENIAL THERE.
WE'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND IF YOU WILL ACCEPT OUR CONDITIONS, WE WILL WORK THAT OUT AT 5 1 15 BRANER E NINE.
THEN ITEM E 10 81 35 GLEN CREST FOR APPROVAL IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
AND ITEM E 11 AT 6 7 1 15, HOLLY GROVE, EXCUSE ME, DRIVE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
THAT IS THE UNDER DEFERRAL REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.
DEFERRAL REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT E 12 ITEM 1125 COURTLAND STREET, IN HEIGHTS EAST IN ADDITION FOR APPROVAL.
AND ITEM E 13 1 1 7 PETTY STREET, EXCUSE ME.
NEW CONSTRUCTION NOR HILL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND, UH, SO THEN THE ITEMS WE'RE ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME WOULD BE ONE, TWO, AND FIVE.
ROMAN COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION FIRST FOR CLARIFICATION.
UH, SO, UH, ROMAN, CAN YOU REPEAT ITEM E SEVEN AGAIN? SO THE RECOMMENDATION ON PAPER IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS ACTUALLY A DENIAL? YES.
THE WORK WAS COMPLETED, SOME WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A PERMIT THERE.
SO THAT APPLICATION SHOULD BE A DENIAL OF JUST A, JUST A, A STAFFING AND, AND WRITING IT UP HERE.
WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT AND WE HAVE IT ON THE REPORT, I BELIEVE, AS A DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION WITH CONDITIONS AND THE OWNER AGREES TO THEM.
AND THAT'S TO GET THE BUILDING WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ON THAT ONE.
UH, NUMBER, UH, REGARDING NUMBER NINE, BECAUSE IT SAYS, UH, THE OWNER WOULD, UH, SEEK, UH, REPAIR TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THE PRO WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THEY ARE APP APPRO TRYING TO GET APPROVED? IT, DOES IT SAY ANYTHING? UH, IF I COULD ASK STAFF COULD, COULD YOU? IS IT POSSIBLE OR, UH, ACTUALLY I CAN HAVE THE OTHER STAFF, MR. JACKSON, TO COME FORWARD AND HE, MR. JACKSON WILL COME FORWARD TO EXPLAIN THE CONDITIONS ON, ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HHC, UH, THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE THE OWNER WORK WITH STAFF TO SEEK A WINDOW REPAIR OPTION.
AND IN THE EVENT THAT THE REPAIR OPTION IS NOT AVAILABLE WITHIN A TIMELY FASHION, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE OWNER AND THE AGENT TO INSTALL THE NEW WINDOWS.
BUT THE AGENT SHALL PROVIDE A MOCKUP OF CUSTOM WINDOWS PRIOR TO STAFF APPROVING THE INSTALLATION.
UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE AGENT AND SHE HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE THE MOCKUP.
SHOULD THAT BE THE ISSUE? THE ONLY ISSUES WE'RE HAVING, UM, A LITTLE TROUBLE TRACKING DOWN THE REPAIR, UH, FROM A REPAIR OPTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
OH, AND WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH DR. LONG, DR. LONG STEVE LONGMEYER, AND HE IS SUPPORT OF THE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS.
CLARIFICATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM E NINE.
MR. CHAIR COLUMN I'D LIKE TO REMOVE 10 81 35 GLEN CREST.
OKAY, WE'LL PULL OUT NUMBER 10, COMM MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW INDIVIDUALLY? C MAY I ASK, UM, AT THIS TIME, OR DO WE KNOW OF ANY, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS UNDER CONSIDERATION? I DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS. THEY'RE ALL IN SUPPORT OF, OF FROM WHAT I HAVE THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF.
BUT I WILL ASK THAT QUESTION BEFORE IF YOU, IF WE COULD ASK THAT QUESTION NOW, BEFORE, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE COLLECTIVE.
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OKAY.AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, ON ONE OF THESE ITEMS. AND, AND THUS WOULD LIKE THESE TO BE PULLED OUTTA THE CONSENT AGENDA TO BE REVIEWED INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND WHAT PROJECT YOU HAVE IN MIND.
CURRENTLY, THE ONLY APP FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS ARE ACCORDING TO WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME.
IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THESE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? NOT HEARING.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT I HAVE IS, IS A PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA OF ITEMS NUMBER 3, 4 6 7 8, 9 11 AND 1312, UH, SORRY, N 12.
AND, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS LIST OF THE CASSETTE AGENDA AND THE PRESCRIBED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF? IS THERE A MOTION PROPOSALS TO ACCEPT THE MOTION? OKAY.
IS THERE A SECOND? THREAT? CARRY SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM, UH, E 1 7 1 3 EAST FIFTH STREET.
HI, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM E ONE AT 7 1 3 EAST AND EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET IN FREELANCE SUBDIVISION.
THE PROPERTY IS A VACANT LOT THAT IS, UM, 50 FEET BY 125 FEET.
THE, UM, IT'S 6,250 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING VACANT LOT IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND GARAGE.
UM, PROPOSED TOTAL CONDITIONS, SQUARE FOOTAGE 3,605.
UH, THE FRONT SETBACK WILL BE 10 FEET AND ONE INCH.
THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT WILL BE 29 FEET AND SIX INCHES.
THE MAXIMUM EVE HEIGHT IS AT 22.
IT WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING AND ALL WINDOWS WILL BE INSET AND RECESSED.
STAFF RECEIVED, UM, NINE LETTERS.
NINE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, AND FOUR LETTERS IN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS APPLICATION? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, PLEASE.
HUSBAND, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, THE FRONT SETBACK ON, WAS IT 7 0 7 AND 7 0 9 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET? SO AS, WHEN YOU SEE IT, THEY'RE ALL APPROXIMATELY AT THE SAME.
SO IT'S, IT IS AROUND 10, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
BUT LOOKING AT, UH, GOOGLE AND THEN FROM THE STREET VIEW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF THE SAME.
SO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS REASONABLE.
REASONABLE WITHIN THE EXISTING YES.
FRONT LINE OF THE OTHER HOUSES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? OKAY, THAT HEARING, I, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM.
UH, THE FIRST PERSON WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS, UH, SAM GKI.
UH, I HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS I WANNA SHOW, IF THAT'S OKAY.
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THE BOTH, THE ONLY OTHER PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OF IS VIRGINIA.SO MAYBE IT'S, UH, SORRY, THERE'S A, A NUMBER WRITTEN INCORRECTLY.
SO, SO SAM, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO PLEASE, AND FOR THE RECORD, THE RULES ALSO SAY THE APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK, I THINK THREE MINUTES.
AND THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE IS SPEAK, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TWO, TWO MORE MINUTES IF THEY WANNA, UH, SAM DUIS WITH CREO DESIGN.
HOW'S EVERYBODY? I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE COVID.
UH, SO I'M GLAD TO BE BACK HERE.
THIS FREELAND NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY SMALL LITTLE POCKET.
THERE'S 35 HOUSES, ONE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I ACTUALLY DESIGNED.
AND TWO VACANT LOTS THAT ARE AT THE VERY END.
THOSE TWO VACANT LOTS, UH, ARE ACROSS FROM FOUR AND A HALF ACRE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND THEY, UH, BEHIND THEM, THEY'VE REPLANTED THE PROPERTY INTO 20 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
AND THERE'S 21 LOTS THERE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DESIGN IN THAT TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD ALL DAY LONG.
BUT THEY HAVE NO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THEY HAVE NO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE NO DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THEY HAVE NO REVIEW BOARD.
AND IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO GO TO OTHER THAN THE HISTORICAL FOLKS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AND, AND, AND HOW CAN WE GET IT ACCOMPLISHED? WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS, UH, WITH, UH, YASMIN.
AND SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE VACANT LOTS AT THE END OF THE STREET.
UH, THE, UM, UH, THE ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION I'VE DONE IN THERE, UH, THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN IT WAS I DID AND IS VERY SIMILAR.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A RENDERING OF, CAN I PUT THIS, WHERE CAN I PUT THIS HERE? THESE TWO, THIS ONE.
THIS RENDERING SHOWS YOU THE HOUSE THAT WENT THROUGH THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE 5 3 7 FRAZIER STREET, WHICH WAS APPROVED TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
IT WENT THROUGH FLYING COLORS, NO PROBLEM.
THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS THE HOUSE THAT I'M PROPOSING NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN SCALE IF YOU LOOK AT 'EM.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I FELT LIKE THIS WOULDN'T GET A LOT OF, UH, PUSHBACK.
UM, IT, UM, THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY HAS MORE SQUARE, UH, MORE PERVIOUS, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA.
AND THE HOUSE I'M PROPOSING RIGHT NOW, IT COVERS 60%.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS A, A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS 125 FOOT DEEP, WHERE THE OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP.
SO WE'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ITEMS. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROBLEM OR WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO REFER BACK TO THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, RIGHT? AND THIS MEETS ALL OF THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FAR IT IS OVER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN WHAT I WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO IN THE HEIGHTS.
BUT ALL OF THE OTHER CRITERIA ARE THERE.
AND SO I FELT LIKE IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF FOR INSTANCE, NOR HILL AT 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE, A HOUSE WITH A BASEMENT, Y'ALL MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER IT, Y'ALL APPROVED IT, NOR HILL DENIED ME ON THAT HOUSE.
I WENT BACK TO NOR HILL AND SAID, HEY GUYS, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO WORK WITH Y'ALL TO, TO MAKE MOTION THIS HOUSE RIGHT? MOTION SPEAKER MORE TIME.
SO I WENT BACK TO NOR HILL AFTER GETTING APPROVED AND SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT MAKES Y'ALL HAPPY.
AND I REDREW THAT HOUSE TO MAKE THEM HAPPY.
AND, AND SO IT'S NOT, I'M NOT IN THERE TRYING TO PUSH MY WAY AROUND.
I'M IN THERE TRYING TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR AN END USER CLIENT.
AND I THINK IT FITS VERY WELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I KNOW, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, PART OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE I BELIEVE IS WITHIN THE ATTIC SPACE OF THE FORM OF THE HOUSE.
AT THE FRONT OF THE STREET, WHICH I THINK IT, AGAIN, THE HEIGHT GUIDELINES DON'T RULE HERE, BUT IF THEY DID, I THINK THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULDN'T COUNT, WOULDN'T COUNT TOWARD THE FAR.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS WITHIN THAT FRONT GABLE, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, USING THAT, THAT METRIC, IT, IT'S, IF YOU CAN HABITAT INSIDE OF AN ATTIC SPACE WITHOUT OUTWARDLY PROJECTING, YOU KNOW, A, A SECOND FLOOR, IT, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED NOT.
AND I DID NOT EVEN THINK TO TRY, TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I FELT LIKE I'D WORKED LONG ENOUGH WITH YASMIN AND BUGGED HER ENOUGH ON IT THAT WE WERE CLOSE.
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LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC.IF, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS OF THE APPLICANT FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER CURRY? UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR MAKING THE PRESENTATION.
A COUPLE OF, UH, QUESTIONS FOR YOU, PLEASE.
UM, APPARENTLY SOME OF THE PUSHBACK IS, UH, DUE TO THE FACTOR THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST, UH, HOUSE THAT'S ON A SLAB ON GRADE IN F FREELAND.
IS THAT, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THAT TRUE? IT, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU THE SECOND QUESTION.
IT'S RELATED, JUST WOULD IT BE THE FIRST FULL TWO STORY HOUSE IN FREELAND? UH, NOT COUNTING, UH, TWO STORY ADDITIONS TO ORIGINAL STRUCTURES, UH, TO THE SLAB QUESTION? I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THAT, BUT MOST OF THOSE HOUSES SIT PRETTY LOW OVER THERE.
SO WE'RE DOING A TWO FOOT RAISE SLAB.
SO IT COULD READ LIKE, UH, LIKE WE DO SOMETIMES IN THE HEIGHTS AREA.
IT COULD READ LIKE A RAISED HOUSE 'CAUSE MOST OF THOSE HOUSES WERE VERY LOW TO THE GROUND.
AND THEN THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT I DID OVER THERE IS IN FACT A TWO STORY HOUSE AND THERE ARE, I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SEVEN OTHER TWO STORY ADDITIONS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT'S A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONLY TWO LOTS LEFT THAT ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING.
AND SO, UM, NOT SURE ABOUT THE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SLAB.
I DIDN'T THINK TO LOOK TO INTO THAT.
KNOWING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO BACK UP SAM'S STATEMENT THAT THESE HOUSES ARE LOW TO THE GROUND AND IF YOU PUT OR A SLAB TWO FOOT HIGH, IT'S GONNA BE EQUAL HEIGHT AS THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? UH, YAMA HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE FOR MR. NUCO.
IF I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN MM-HMM
UH, I THINK ON PAGE 11 OF 34, I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE HOUSE IS BUILT ON THE, ON THE BOTH SIDES, ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
THIS HOUSE IS BUILT UP TO ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THAT, AM I RIGHT IN SAYING THAT? AND THEN, AND THE BACK SETBACK IS 10 FEET AS WELL.
UH, THE BACK SETBACK, UH, UH, LET'S START WITH FRONT.
THE FRONT SETBACK IS 10 FEET, TWO INCHES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS FIVE FOOT TWO INCHES FROM THE PROP.
THE LEFT CORNER OF THE FRONT HOUSE IS FIVE FOOT TWO INCHES, AND THE RIGHT CORNER OF THE HOUSE IS, UH, 10, 10 FOOT NINE, 10 FOOT 11 AND A HALF I THINK IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE, THERE IS A BUMP OUT NEAR THE KITCHEN AREA THAT PULLS THAT, UH, A ONE STORY BUMP OUT THAT BRINGS IT TO THREE FOOT AS YOU GO BACK ON THE HOUSE, THREE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS A FIRE RATED WALL AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN THE GARAGE ITSELF IS THREE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BACK IS 10 FOOT AS WELL.
IT READS, LIKE IT READS BECAUSE THAT SECOND FLOOR IS CANTILEVERED OVER, YOU'LL SEE A DOTTED LINE ON MY DRAWING THAT SHOWS WHERE THE 17 FOOT GARAGE BUILD LINE IS BECAUSE THAT'S A STREET BEHIND US.
SO WE HAVE TO BE 17 FEET OFF THE, WITH THE GARAGE.
AND, AND ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS I, I, THE, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, I MET WITH HIM YESTERDAY TWICE AND HE SIGNED OFF ON THIS AND, AND SIGNED A LETTER OF AGREEMENT.
THE NE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO HIM IS OUTTA TOWN AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO.
BUT ERIC, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO US CALLED HIM AND THEY TALKED AND HE SAID HE WOULD SIGN OFF AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR ON THE CORNER SIGNED OFF.
SO EVERYBODY ON MY BLOCK IS OKAY WITH IT AND HAS SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, THEY LOOKED AT MY PLAN, THEY LOOKED AT THE RENDERS, THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY OTHER, ANY UM, DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S NOMINATION? I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? CURRY SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
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NAY, NAY.SO I'M COUNTING FOUR OPPOSED IT.
IS IT, MAY WE HAVE THE LAST NAMES OF THOSE WHO WERE OPPOSED, PLEASE? VERBALLY? I HAVE, YEAH.
AVA, THERE WAS ONE MORE OPPOSE.
AVA, IT WAS COMMISSIONER COUCH VOTING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.
ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS HEARING ANY? I BELIEVE THAT THE AYE STILL HAVE THIS ITEM BASED ON THE FOUR IN THIS ROOM, IN THE LOOK AND THE, I THINK THREE, AT LEAST THREE ON VI VIRTUAL.
IS THAT, IS THAT FINE FOR, UM, STAFF RECORDING THE VOTE? OKAY.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER E 2 1 1 2 9 WEST GARDNER STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON TAYLOR VALLEY.
I SUBMIT ITEM E TWO AT 1129 WEST GARDNER IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A PARTIAL 750 SQUARE FOOT.
SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
THE ADDITION WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH WOOD SIDING AND A FIVE INCH REVEAL TO MATCH EXISTING AND HAVE A HIP ROOF WITH A FIVE OVER 12 PITCH IN ASPHALT SHINGLES ALL CORNERS AND EXISTING WINDOWS WILL REMAIN AND NEW WINDOWS WILL BE INSET AND RECESSED.
THIS ITEM WAS DEFERRED IN OCTOBER IN THE OCTOBER COMMISSION AND THEN DEFERRED BY APPLICANT IN NOVEMBER.
BUT FEEDBACK PROVIDED AT COMMISSION WAS INCORPORATED IN THESE UPDATED DRAWINGS INCLUDING BOX SOFFITS.
ON THE ADDITION, THE ROOF RAFTER IS BEING MAINTAINED ALL THE WAY AROUND ON THE ORIGINAL HOME SIMPLIFIED REAR PORCH COLUMNS AND THE ADDITION IS PUSHED BACK FURTHER.
IN ADDITION, THE ROOF IS NOW FULLY HIP ON THE ADDITION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED TO SPEAK.
THE APPLICANT IS VIRTUAL AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER COUCH? I, WHY DID WE PULL THIS ITEM? UH, THIS ITEM WAS NOT ON CONSENT.
WHY WASN'T IT ON CONSENT? OKAY.
THIS IS ROMAN BECAUSE THERE IS A PERSON SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO OUR RECOMMENDATION.
COULD WE, COULD WE CYCLE TO THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL? UM, OKAY.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UM, AND THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS VIRGINIA KELSEY, APOLOGIES FOR THE LAST ROLL CALL.
I I, THE NUMBER WAS WRITTEN DOWN INCORRECTLY, BUT DOCUMENT CAMERA.
PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
I REPRESENT THE BOARD OF NOR HILL.
NOR HILL IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT HAS MAGNIFICENT COLLECTION OF BUNGALOWS ALL BUILT WITHIN A FEW YEARS.
SO THERE'S A GREAT CONSISTENCY OF STYLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THESE ARE NOT MEDALLION HOUSES BY FAMOUS ARCHITECTS.
THEY'RE ALL SORT OF KIT HOUSES AND IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURAL, SIGNIFICANT LANDMARKS SHOULD HAVE ADDITIONS WHICH ARE DISTINGUISHABLE, BUT
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THE NOR HILL BOARD AND MUCH OF ITS COMMUNITY FEELS THAT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IF DESIRED BY THE OWNER, IS IMPORTANT TO ALLOW.A HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE ALL ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN DIFFERENT, BUT JUST A FEW.
FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE WERE NO CAMELBACKS ORIGINALLY.
SO THAT A LOAN SHOULD BE A PRIMARY DISTINGUISHING FACTOR.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT THE OWNER WOULD LIKE WE APPROVED AS A BOARD IN THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION WAS TO KEEP THE CLIPPED GABLE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE TO THE HIP.
WE FEEL AS A COMMUNITY THAT HAVING AS MANY CHARACTERISTICS AS POSSIBLE TO BLEND WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE IS DESIROUS.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENCE, BUT THAT DIFFERENCE DOESN'T HAVE TO EXTEND TO ALL ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN.
IT SEEMS THAT THAT COULD BE DISTINGUISHED BY A FACIAL BOARD ADDED TO THE OPEN RAFTER TAILS SO THAT IT IS MORE CONSISTENT.
UM, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REAR COLUMN MOTION AGAINST SPEAKER.
IS THERE A SECOND? ONE SECOND.
I MAY BE A DRAFTING ERA, BUT UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE, I'LL TRY AND BE VERY QUICK.
UM, IT SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE SECOND FLOOR CURRENTLY IN THE DRAWING SUBMITTED IT DOES NOT, UH, DO YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE? WE FEEL AS A COMMUNITY, THERE'S TWO IMAGES HERE THAT TRYING TO HAVE THESE ADDITIONS THAT CARRY MORE CHARACTERISTICS TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO AT THE BOTTOM IS BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE THAN IT IS THE TOP IMAGE, WHICH HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THE HOUSE.
IT'S BLENDING OF THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO NOR HILL.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE? HERE'S TWO MORE EXAMPLES.
THE TOP ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE HOUSE.
IT'S IN THE SAME PLANE, THE BOTTOM ONE.
IT HAS ELEMENTS THAT REPEAT ITSELF FROM THE HOUSE.
IT'S CLEARLY DIFFERENT BUT IT CALLS ITSELF.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DESIGNER AND THE OWNER TO COME UP WITH AN ACCEPTABLE DESIGN OVER MANY MONTHS.
AND THEY ARE SUPPORTING OF THESE EFFORTS AND THESE CHANGES.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE HOUSE BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN IT IS.
WE SUPPORTED NOT EXTENDING IT BACK AS FAR AS IT NOW IS.
IT'S FINE THAT IT IS, IT'S BETTER BEING PULLED IN FROM THE SIDE.
THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE 'CAUSE THAT HELPS TO DIFFERENTIATE IT.
BUT WE LIKE TO SEE THE CLIPPED GABLE ON THE FRONT OPEN RAFTER TAILS WITH A FASCIA BOARD THAT WE ARE COLUMN FIXED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM? I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU SIT ON THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT? I AM AND I'M NOW THE, UM, VP OF, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND THEN AT OUR LAST MEETING, I MISSED A MEETING.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN OCTOBER YOU SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT OR NO, IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
AMANDA REYNOLDS SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT.
SHE WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT SHE HAD A BUSINESS CONFLICT.
WELL I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION, MS. KELSEY.
UM, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE, THE THREE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT YOU OUTLINED, THE CLIP GABLE HAVING, UM, EXPOSED EAVES, BUT, BUT ADDING A FASCIA SO THAT ON STRAIGHT ON VIEW THAT THEY WOULD APPEAR DIFFERENT IN THE REAR COLUMN ALIGNMENT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OWNER APPLICANT AND THEY'RE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THESE THREE ITEMS? YES, I THINK THEY'RE ONLINE.
YOU CAN ASK THEM AND I, I I WILL CALL YEAH.
AT THIS TIME, UM, I, I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN ADDITION, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR THE APPLICANT, UM, COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND LET US HEAR YOUR, UM, YES, I'M HERE, COMMISSIONER.
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YES.UH, JOEY HERNANDEZ, UH, THE DESIGNER ON THE PROJECT.
UH, YEAH, NO, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UH, EITHER APPROVE CONSIDERATION.
UH, ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO KEEP, UH, EVERYBODY HAPPY.
UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE DESIGNS FIT THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ADHERE TO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, UH, BEING, UM, UH, NOR HILL AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I KNOW THERE'S SOME GUIDELINES THAT ARE BEING DRAFTED AS WE SPEAK AND ARE IN PROGRESS.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, USE AS GUIDANCE FOR ALL FUTURE PROJECTS IN THE NORVILLE AREA IN PARTICULAR.
UH, BUT AS MENTIONED, AND I APPRECIATE THE HELP WITH VICTORIA AND ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS FEEDBACK, UH, WE FEEL WE CAN GO WITH EITHER OPTION OF THE DUTCH ABLE ROOF OR THE HIP ROOF.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE WANT THE HOUSE TO BE A, UH, A GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE, WE, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL HOMES HERE.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS HERE IN THE HEIGHTS AREA, AND WE WISH TO CONTINUE THAT AS, UH, MOST OF OUR CLIENTELE ARE ALL REFERRALS BASED AND, UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ALL GOOD.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU, I, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER COMMISSIONER? YAP.
UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION FOR THE PRESERVATION STAFF.
UH, I THINK THE, THE TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE DISTINCTION OF, UH, MAKING THE NEW BACK ADDITION, HAVING, UH, COVERED SOFFITS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.
UH, WHY THE OBJECTION TOWARDS THE, UH, THE SORT OF THAT LITTLE CAP ROOF ON THE FRONT, UH, PER WHAT MS. KELSEY SAID, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, UH, ELABORATE ON THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
SO, UM, AT THE ORIGINAL OCTOBER COMMISSION, UM, WHENEVER FEEDBACK WAS GIVEN, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T PRESENT.
I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE COMMISSION THAT DAY AND ROMAN, UM, PRESENTED ON MY BEHALF.
BUT, UM, FROM WHAT I WENT BACK TO, UM, TAKE NOTES OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT WAS DEFERRED, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I'M SORRY, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WISH COMMISSIONER MENTIONED IT.
BUT, UM, SOMEBODY DID MENTION THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE BOX SOFFITS.
SO WHENEVER I WENT BACK AND DISCUSSED WITH, UM, JOEY, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PRESENTED TO HIM, AND HE JUST WENT AHEAD AND, UM, CHANGED IT ON THAT, FOR THAT REASON.
AS FAR AS THE, UM, CLIPPED GABLE, UM, WE HAD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS AS STAFF, UM, IN OUR MEETINGS LEADING UP TO THIS AND THE CLIPPED GABLE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT APPEARS TO IN LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROTRUDING MORE AND SOME OF THE STAFF, UM, BELIEVE THAT THE REGULAR, JUST THE HIP WOULD LOOK BETTER, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S INTRUDING ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AS MUCH VISUALLY.
YES, I, I REMEMBER THIS PROJECT.
I WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THE, UH, BOX GABLES.
I'M ALWAYS NERVOUS, UH, WHEN WE START REPLICATING HISTORIC FEATURES ON ADDITIONS, ESPECIALLY LIKE A CAMELBACK THAT HAS NO HISTORIC PRECEDENT.
AND I ALWAYS GO BACK TO CATEGORY THREE OF OUR CRITERIA, UH, THAT SAYS WE NEED TO AVOID ALTERATIONS THAT SEEK TO CREATE AN EARLIER OR LATER APPEARANCE.
AND SO I ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE OF DOING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE SIMPLE AND DOESN'T REPLICATE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING THAT ARE HISTORIC.
BUT THAT WAS THE RATIONALE THAT I USED WHEN I MADE MY COMMENTS AT THE MEETING WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED.
SO RIGHT NOW I'M PLEASED WITH WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN.
I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING AND I, I THINK THEY'VE MADE SOME GOOD CHANGES HERE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COLLEGE.
I'M GOING TO, BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH, UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT IS ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS AMONGST OURSELVES, AMONGST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER, BUTCH, AM I, AM I RIGHT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE IS NOT HERE AND NOT ONLINE? I'D HAVE TO ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE DESIGNER OF THE HOME WAS ONLINE, WHO SPOKE TO US.
YES, THE AGENT IS VIRTUAL, BUT UM, THE OWNER IS NOT PRESENT
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OR ASSIGNED TO SPEAK.IS THERE A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION? HELLO? I COW.
THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER STAAVA SECONDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE? I, I WOULD, UH, GO WITH WHAT THE NOR HILL, UM, AREA IS RECOMMENDING.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF A FASCIA NOT HAVING BOX OFF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OWNER'S ACCEPTING OF THOSE CHANGES.
SO I CAN'T VOTE FOR THOSE CHANGES.
SO IN THAT CASE, THEN I WOULD GO WITH WHAT BID IS PROPOSING THE AGENT, THE AGENT TOLD US THAT THOSE WERE ACCEPTABLE, PRESUMABLY ON BEHALF THE OWNER.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THE AGENT WAS HERE.
DO I, DO I I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THE AGENT IS SPEAKING FOR THE OWNER, AND I WOULD WANT CLARIFICATION FOR THAT.
IF THAT, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN I WOULD VOTE NO AGAINST THE CURRENT, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I GUESS ROMAN, CAN YOU HELP US IF I CAN CHIME BACK IN OR, I KNOW THE FLOOR'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE, WHAT'S HIS NAME? JOEY.
JOEY, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS AND YES, SIR.
AND WHEN YOU TELL ME THAT YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF THE NOR HILL, UH, COMMUNITY, THAT, THAT, THAT THE, YOU'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND THE OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO THOSE CHANGES.
UH, THE HOMEOWNERS WERE BOTH IN, UH, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH STYLES OF THE HIP AND THE DUTCH GABLE DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY LOVE WHERE THEY LIVE IN NOR HILL, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING LOOKS IN ACCORD TO TO, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER COUCH WOULD BE OPEN.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THE CLIPPED GABLE ON THE FRONT AND JUST A FACIA BOARD AND NOT A BOX OFF IT? UH,
SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT DIDN'T LIKE THAT TO BEGIN WITH WHEN THEY FIRST PRESENTED IT.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, UH, CONVERSATIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM.
MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU REPEAT THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE TABLE, PLEASE? THE RECOMMENDATION IS SIMPLY TO ACCEPT, ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH BASICALLY, UH, MEANS THAT IT WOULD BE THE HIP ROOF VERSION AND THERE WOULD BE A BOX SOFFIT ON THE ADDITION.
AND THE COLUMN AT THE REAR WOULD BE SLIGHTLY KICKED OUT.
I GUESS QUESTION IN YOUR DESCRIPTION JUST NOW.
IS, IS THE QUESTION, IS THAT AS SUBMITTED HERE BEFORE US, WE CAN PUT THE DRAWINGS BACK UP JUST FOR CLARITY.
JUST MAYBE COULD STAFF CONFIRM THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S MY BEST TO PARAPHRASE WHAT I'M SEEING.
BUT YES, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMISSION LAST TIME AND, UH, A DECISION MADE IN THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE, THAT'S REASON YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU GOT AND THE PROPOSAL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
UM, THAT, THAT UPPER PICTURE IS THE CURRENT FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE HIP ROOF ON THE PROTRUDING PORTION AND THE, UH, I'M GONNA FORGET THEM ALL.
AND IT HAS A, MAYBE AN ERROR IN THE REAR ELEVATION WHERE THE COLUMN IS OUT FOR THAT POINT OF ORDER, THOUGH, FOR THE REAR COLUMN.
SHOULD THAT COLUMN HAD BEEN LINED UP WITH A MASS ABOVE FROM STAFF'S POSITION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST NOT CAUGHT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPORT AS DRAWN? I THINK WE, I REALLY THINK WE PRESUMED IT WAS GONNA GET, IT WOULD BE FIXED AS A MINOR, A DRAFTING AREA, BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PUT THAT IN CONDITION.
SO COMMISSIONER COUCH, BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE, UM, FOR YOUR MOTION, WOULD YOU ACCEPT A REVISION THAT WOULD ACCEPT ALIGNING THAT REAR COLUMN BECAUSE OF THE DRAFTING ERROR IN THE DRAWING? YES, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CALL THE VOTE.
SO THIS IS JUST TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM, EXCEPT FOR, UH, REALIGNMENT
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OF THE REAR COLUMN PER THE DRAFTING ERROR.ALL IN FAVOR? COULD WE, COULD WE DO A ROLL CALL? 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS, IT'S GONNA GO EXACTLY, BUT, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? YAP.
THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL PROCEED ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH WILL BE ITEM E 5 1 1 0 8 EAST 14TH STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON KARA QUIGLEY.
I SUBMIT ITEM E FIVE AT 1108 EAST 14TH STREET IN NOR HILL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THIS PROPERTY IS A ONE STORY BRICK BUNGALOW CONSTRUCTED IN 1924 ON AN INTERIOR LOT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL METAL COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH AND REPLACE THEM WITH THREE WOODEN SQUARE SHAPED COLUMNS AND RAILINGS.
THIS PROPOSED PORCH ALTERATION WAS ON ITS WAY TO BEING AN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT WE BROUGHT THIS PROJECT TO COMMISSION DUE TO THE PAINTED BRICK EXTERIOR.
IN SEPTEMBER, 2023, THE APPLICANT PAINTED OVER THE ORIGINALLY EXPOSED MASONRY WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF IT BEING A VIOLATION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TO PAINT PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED EXPOSED BRICK.
THE APPLICANT WAS RED TAGGED FOR THIS WORK ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023.
STAFF RECOMMENDS A DENIAL OF COA AND ISSUANCE OF COR REQUIRING REMOVAL OF PAINT ON ORIGINAL BRICK SERVICES AND ALLOWING FOR THE PROPOSED ALTERATION TO THE PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILINGS.
CONSULT WITH STAFF FOR PROPER PAINT REMOVAL STRATEGIES.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE HOMEOWNER, WILLIAM MOODY, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT'S BEEN CURRENTLY, UH, BEFORE US.
I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE 12 OF 14 MCNEIL, UM, PRE PRESUMABLY HE WOULD, I MEAN, IT IS STRUCTURAL WORK TO REMOVE THE METAL, UM, PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALL NEW WOOD COLUMNS.
'CAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY SUPPORT.
BUT THERE IS NO STAIR RAILING TO BE ADDED.
JUST CURIOUS IF SOMEONE'S DETERMINED THAT THE HEIGHT, I GUESS THE HEIGHT OF THE PORCH IS SUCH THAT YOU DON'T NEED A RAILING BY CODE.
COMMISSIONER EK, YOU GOT ANYTHING TO TELL ME ABOUT THAT? WELL, IT'S 30 INCHES OF THE OFFSET.
UM, I, AS I RECALL, I LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT EARLIER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS THAN 30 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 30 IN COUNTING BRICK.
THAT SEEMS TO BE LESS THAN 30.
THEY DON'T NEED A, THEY DON'T NEED A STAIR RAILING ON THE STAIRS.
YOU NEED A RAILING ON THE STAIRS.
'CAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN THREE RISERS.
YEAH, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING BECAUSE THE DRAWING SHOWS NO STEERING WILL BE ADDED.
YOU NEED THE HORIZONTAL, THEY DON'T NEED THE HORIZONTAL ONE UNLESS THEY WANT IT.
AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM ADDED AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT.
IT'S, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT OUR ISSUE.
IS IT? THE CODE ENFORCEMENT'S GOTTA PICK IT UP WHEN THEY APPLY FOR A PERMIT.
WELL, THE NOTE SAYS NO STAIR RAILINGS WILL BE ADDED RIGHT IN READ ON PAGE 12.
SO I KNOW THAT WHAT, JUST WHAT I'M CALLING OUT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RIGHT I POSITION IS.
I THINK THOUGH I CAN ASK THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK THE SKETCH BELOW SHOWS, UM, REALLY LIKE WHAT I WOULD CALL, UM, A VERY SHORT GUARDRAIL LOOKING ELEMENTS OF VERTICALS AND A, A SLOW HORIZONTAL WHERE I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS NOT ACTUALLY ASKING TO CHANGE THOSE BRICK, THE BRICK IN FRONT OF THE STEPS.
THE ONLY THING THAT'LL BE CHANGING ARE THE COLUMNS AND THE RAILINGS.
AND SO WHAT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL IS POINTING OUT IS THAT BECAUSE, AND COMMISSIONER COUCH IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN THREE STEPS OR THREE STEPS, UM,
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REQUIRE A HANDRAIL, WHICH IS SIMPLY A HANDRAIL FUNCTION, UM, THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY ANY NUMBER OF MINIMAL VERTICAL, UH, ATTACHMENTS.LIKE, LIKE, LIKE A, A POST IF YOU WILL MM-HMM
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAY STILL REQUIRE OF, OF THIS.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, LOOK, WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGN UP ON THIS ITEM, BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK IS WHATEVER WE REACH AS A COMMISSION, WE COULD ASK PERHAPS STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THAT ASPECT OF THE CODE IS RESOLVED.
WELL, IF THEY GET A PERMIT, THE INSPECTOR WILL CATCH IT.
WE, I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE INSPECTOR DECIDE WHAT HE OR SHE THINKS IS CORRECT.
MY, MY ONLY COMMENT WAS JUST THAT IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF, IF THEY NEED TO ADD A HANDRAIL, WE MIGHT WANNA AT LEAST HAVE A STAFF APPROVAL ON THAT HANDRAIL.
SO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FROM, FROM THEIR POSITION.
AND THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO APPROVE THE HANDRAIL DESIGN.
WE COULD DO THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE.
SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, APPLICANT WHO SIGNED UP IS MR. WILLIAM MOODY.
AND IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME, UH, ON THE, AT THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE, ALONG WITH MY FIANCE MADELINE WINTER, WHO'S IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, I, I, I'LL TRY TO GO QUICK.
I THINK WE SORT OF COVERED ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE.
BUT THE TRUE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE PAINT.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 33, SECTION 2 36 OF THE CODE ORDINANCES.
AS NOTED ON OUR TAG ON OUR WINDOW.
UH, IT'S WORTH NOTING, UH, THAT THOSE THAT WE SPOKE TO LEADING UP TO THE PAINTING CITED NO ISSUES.
THAT INCLUDES THE REALTOR REPRESENTING THE SELLERS OF THE HOUSE, THE REALTOR REPRESENTING US, AND MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT WASN'T MADE CLEAR TO US THAT THIS WOULD BE A VIOLATION OR THAT WE WOULD EVEN RAISE ANY FLAGS BY DOING THIS UNTIL WE SUBMITTED OUR COA.
UM, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT BY PAINTING THE HOME, WE HAVE MADE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, IMPROVEMENT TO THE HOUSE.
WHILE KEEPING THE, UH, INTEGRITY OF THE HOME.
UH, BEFORE CLOSING, WE MANDATED THAT THE SELLER REPAIR, UM, THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS STRUCTURALLY FIT TO LIVE IN.
UH, AND ONCE IT WAS FIXED, THAT LEFT A LOT OF CRACKING IN THE MOLDING AND IN THE, IN THE BRICK ITSELF.
UM, AND THAT LEFT THE HOME VULNERABLE TO THE ELEMENTS AND VULNERABLE TO PESTS.
UM, BUT BY PAINTING THE HOME AND BY CAULKING IT HOW MUCH TIME? MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER MORE TIME.
IS THERE A SECOND? JOHN? SECONDS.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT BY PAINTING IT AND BY CAULKING IT, WE, UH, WEATHERPROOFED IT.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KEEPING ROAD INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WILLINGLY VIOLATED, UH, THE REGULATIONS HAD WE KNOWN THAT THESE WERE REGULATIONS THAT WERE IN PLACE, UH, PER THE INVENTORY LISTING OF NOR HILL LISTED AS POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING.
UM, AND I SEARCHED AND SEARCHED AND SEARCHED AND I COULDN'T FIND A DEFINITION FOR THAT.
UH, BUT WHAT I DID FIND WAS ANOTHER POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT ON OUR STREET THAT FEATURED PAINTED BRICK OUT FRONT.
UM, SO, UM, WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE FREE TO DO THIS WITHOUT SEEKING APPROVAL.
UH, WE RECOGNIZED WE MADE THE ERROR, UH, BUT WE WERE GOING OFF OF THE INSTRUCTION AND THE ADVICE OF THOSE THAT WE FIGURED KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
UH, LASTLY, WE UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO STRIP THE PAINT.
UM, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO THE PAINT.
THE THE BRICK IS REALLY OLD, IT'S REALLY POROUS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT BE DOING A LITTLE MORE HARM THAN GOOD BY TRYING TO STRIP IT ALL OFF.
UM, NOT ONLY WOULD IT WASTE THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WE ALREADY SPENT PAINTING THE HOUSE, BUT WHO KNOWS? THOUSANDS MORE TRYING TO REMOVE IT.
UM, AND THEN POSSIBLY DAMAGING THE BRICK.
UH, WE'RE FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNERS.
IT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DIG OURSELVES IN A DEEPER HOLE THAN WE'VE ALREADY DUG OURSELVES IN.
UM, TO CLOSE, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, UH, LETTING ME RAMBLE.
SORRY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO,
UM, WE, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR PAINT AND WE EXTEND OUR SINCEREST APOLOGIES.
UM, WE HOPE YOU GUYS TREAT US WITH GRACE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS SPEAKER? I HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.
DO, DID EITHER ONE OF YOUR REAL ESTATE AGENTS TELL YOU
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THAT YOU WERE BUYING A HOUSE ON A HISTORIC DISTRICT? THEY TOLD US IT WAS HISTORIC, BUT SAID WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAINTING IT.CAN WE HAVE THE NAMES OF THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS?
NO, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO INFORM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSULTING HOMEOWNERS BUYING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY BE A HELL OF A LOT SMARTER ON ADVISING CLIENTS.
UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER.
IF I COULD ADD, ADD ON TO COMMISSIONER, UH, MCNEIL'S COMMENT AND, AND MAYBE THEY CAN, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES, MAYBE THEY CAN HELP WITH THE RESOLUTION SINCE YOU RELIED ON THEIR BAD ADVICE.
YOU ALSO HAD A QUESTION FOR THEM.
UM, I HAVE TWO MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
I I JUST WANT, FIRST ONE IS A CLARIFICATION.
IT'S YOU WHO'S BUYER WHO PAINTED IT, NOT THE SELLER WHO PAINTED IT BEFORE CLOSING.
SECOND QUESTION WAS, WERE YOU AWARE THAT, I THINK I SEE YOUR HOUSES IN THE NOR HILL, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS A NOR HILL CIVIC ASSOCIATION THAT DID YOU ACTUALLY, UH, GO AND ASK THEM FOR ADVICE BEFORE PAINTING? I WAS NOT AWARE THERE WAS A CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT THINGS NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL ACTUALLY THIS PROCESS WITH THE COLUMNS, WHICH BY THE WAY, THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE COLUMNS NOT THE PAIN.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR COMMITMENT TITLE COMMITMENT, THAT THERE IS A CIVIC ASSOCIATION, A VERY, UH, AND ALSO DE RESTRICTION IN NOR HILL.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLARIFIED IN YOUR TITLE COMMITMENT BEFORE YOU EVEN PURCHASED IT.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
COULD WE, UH, MAY, SORRY, MAY I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION OF YOU? I'M SORRY IF I'VE MISSED IT, BUT, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THE COLUMNS REMINDS ME, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR INTENT FOR A REASON FOR CHOOSING TO, UH, WANT TO REPLACE THE COLUMNS, I SHOULD SAY? UH, WE BELIEVE IT, IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT'S IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HOPE THEY MADE IT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, IT, UH, AESTHETICALLY WE, WE THINK IT LOOKS BETTER AND WE THINK IT'S NOT OUT OF BOUNDS WITH THE OTHER THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO DARE DARE I ASK, ARE THEY ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? DOES DO WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? NO.
UM, SO THE CURRENT, UH, PORCH CONFIGURATION, IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE SANBORN, WHICH WAS, UH, SHOWN ON PAGE SIX OF 14.
UH, THE CURRENT PORCH WAS REPOSITIONED IN THE 1950S, ACCORDING TO THE BLA DOCUMENTS.
SO LONG AGO THEN IN, SAY IN THE FIFTIES, 70 YEARS OR SO AGO, THE ENTIRE PORCH PROBABLY WAS, WAS RECONFIGURED OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS A FIFTIES PORCH ON A WHAT, A THIRTIES HOUSE? YES, CORRECT.
INCLUDING THE, THE ENTIRE PEI O OVER THE PORCH ITSELF, PROBABLY.
UM, SO I DO HAVE VIRGINIA KELSEY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING NOR HILL BOARD.
WE DO SUPPORT THE COLUMNS AS WE SAID.
UM, THERE'S A FEW DETAILS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO SEE, BUT THERE, I THINK A NICE ADDITION TO BRING THE HOUSE INTO ALIGNMENT.
UH, WE DO, HOWEVER, SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF THE PAINT.
UM, THE OWNER WAS NEVER CONTACTED ANYONE ON THE BOARD.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD REPORTED 3 1 1 BEFORE THE PAINT CANS WERE REMOVED.
UH, 3 1 1 DID NOT CHOOSE TO MAKE A CITATION.
ROMAN'S OFFICE HAS DEALT WITH IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S AGAINST, AS YOU WELL KNOW, AND OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN PAINTED AND THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY CLEANED RECENTLY.
ONE ON PIE, UM, ANOTHER ONE ON 11TH STREET.
AND THERE ARE WAYS OF REMOVING THE PAINT SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT SANDBLASTING IT AND DAMAGING THE BRICK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS SPEAKER? UH, COMMISSION.
NOT HEARING ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC EITHER IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF SO, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
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OKAY.I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMISSION AND COMMISSION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN MANY PROJECTS REMOVING PAINT FROM POROUS BRICK AND MANY OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION HAVE, HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF WORK THEMSELVES.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER MOTION, MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A DENIAL OF COA INITIATIVE OF A COR WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE HOMEOWNER WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE IF THERE IS A RAILING REQUIRED BY THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT THAT IT CONFORMS TO WHATEVER GUIDELINES ARE IN NOR HILL FOR FRONT RAILINGS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, UM, AS DESCRIBED? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THAT MOTION PASSES AND I BELIEVE WE'LL MOVE NOW TO ITEM TEN EIGHT ONE THREE FIVE GLEN CREST STREET.
ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE HAHC.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON TERRANCE JACKSON, AND I SUBMIT TO YOU ITEM E 10 AT 81 35 GLEN CREST STREET, LOCATED IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING TRADITIONAL RANCH STYLE RESIDENCE BUILT IN CIRCA 1953.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITE SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
THE NEW ROOF SHALL BE MANUFACTURED AND INSTALLED BY MCELROY.
METAL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THE OWNER KIM WAKEFIELD MAY BE AVAILABLE TO SPEAK.
I KNOW HE WORKS LIKE GRAVEYARD SHIFT, SO HE MAY NOT, MAY NOT HAVE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO JOIN.
BUT, UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
THE METAL ROOFS ARE NOT THE NORM FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS A METAL ROOF ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS PUT UP, UH, 20 SOME 20 ODD YEARS AGO WITHOUT PERMITS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T, TO ME, THAT DOESN'T ENTITLE THE, UH, PRESENT ADDRESS TO HAVE A METAL ROOF COMPOSITION OR THE, OR THE NORM.
THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER METAL ROOFS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, A COUPLE OF 'EM HAVE GONE ON SINCE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, WHICH NOTHING WAS DONE TO 'EM AND OTHERS HAVE GONE WERE PRIOR TO OUR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
SO, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE DID, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THIS WHEN COMPOSITION IS THE NORM FOR OUR HISTORIC HOMES.
UH, I I MEAN, I, IF THERE WAS A QUESTION, I I DIDN'T GET IT, BUT I I I DO WANT TO ADD THAT, UM, BASED ON OUR, ON STAFF'S RESEARCH, IT IS, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE FOUND THAT METAL ROOFS ARE A CHARACTERISTIC OF RANCH HOMES, WHETHER IT BE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY OR ANY OTHER, UH, STATE OR DISTRICT.
UM, SO THAT WAS STAFF'S POSITION ON THE ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TO NOTE THAT THERE, I THINK WE FOUND FIVE METAL ROOFS IN THE DISTRICT AND WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE DONE, BUT, UH, OUR DECISION WAS PURELY BASED ON THE FACT THAT METAL ROOFS ARE A CHARACTERISTIC OF RANCH STYLE HOMES, BUT FIVE OUT OF 1,250 HOMES IS NOT REALLY THAT GREAT A PROPORTION.
AND WHERE DID YOU FIND THE RESEARCH THAT SAYS METAL ROOFS WERE THE NORM? WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, UH, I DON'T, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE CONTENTIOUS AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND THAT WAY, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE THE NORM, BUT I'M SAYING THAT THEY'RE A CHARACTERISTIC OF TRADITIONAL RANCH STYLE HOMES.
BUT I MEAN, OKAY, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, UH, I THINK, LET ME PRESENT ANOTHER
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PERSPECTIVE TO THIS WHOLE THING.UH, I, AND ALSO, MR. CHAIR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK IT'S PURVIEW OF PART OF THIS, UH, HISTORIC, UH, COMMISSION BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHEREBY METAL ROOF HAVE COME BEFORE FROM OH SIX WARD, EVEN FIRST WARD, THAT, UH, THAT WHETHER THEY PUT SHINGLES OR PUT METAL ROOF WAS NOT PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THE APPROVAL OF A HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I WAS A, AN APPLICANT NUMEROUS TIMES, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEREFORE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN RULE THAT JUST BECAUSE, AND NOT TRYING TO BE CONTENTIOUS, BUT JUST BECAUSE 1200 HOUSES HAVE SHINGLE ROOF, THAT THERE IS A UNWRITTEN RULE ON, ON SHINGLE ROOF.
WELL, I THINK THERE IS A WRITTEN RULE THOUGH, ON ROOFING AND, UM, MAYBE STAFF COULD PULL THAT UP BECAUSE I, I SEEM TO RECALL THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT ROOFS AND THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE.
UM, AND I, I'M, I'M SEARCHING FOR THE GLENBURG VALLEY DOES NOT HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO I, I THINK, UH, CHAIR, WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS THAT ROOFS ARE TO BE, SO ROOFS ARE EXEMPT IF IT IS COMPATIBLE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING WITH LIKE, FOR LIKE, IT'S THEN LOOKED AT AS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
SO I THINK BECAUSE SOMEONE IS COMING WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROOF, THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT'S BEING BROUGHT IN FRONT OF COMMISSION.
BUT I THINK, I GUESS MY, MY, UM, UNDER THE CRITERIA THOUGH ABOUT, UM, ROOFS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE ROOF METAL ROOFS LET, LET'S SAY METAL ROOFS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED WHERE METAL ROOFS HAVE HAVE BEEN UTILIZED.
UM, IS THAT'S STILL PART OF THE, PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
I BELIEVE THAT, THAT IT, IT'S, UM, ONE DOES LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU MENTIONED RANCH STYLE HOMES, UH, GLENBROOK VALLEY WAS CONSIDERED.
AND SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS STILL PART OF THE REVIEW, THAT IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A BLANKET APPROVAL FOR ANY KIND OF ROOF ON ANYWHERE YOU WANT, UH, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, JUST BASED ON, ON THE OTHER CRITERIA ABOUT THE, THE KIND OF THE MASSING AND, AND THE MATERIALS AND THE PRESENTATION OF THINGS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S STILL SOME, THE, A SUBJECTIVE NATURE THERE HAS BEEN BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S, THAT IS THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT AS STAFF AS WELL.
AND AS A SIDE NOTE, HE DID NOT PRESENT THIS TO OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
WHAT COLOR IS THE ROOF? WELL, HE, HE, AT THE MOMENT, HE HASN'T DECIDED.
HE SAID HE WAS LEANING TOWARDS THE, IT'S, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S LIKE A SILVER COLOR.
UM, ARE WE ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE ROOF? I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE COLOR OF PAINT, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
I HAVE TO HAVE TO ASK JENNIFER.
UH, IF THERE IF, BECAUSE THE ROOF IS A PRODUCT, UM, IF THAT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IF HE PUTS A RED ROOF ON THAT HOUSE OR A BLUE ROOF ON THE HOUSE THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN A SILVER OR, YOU KNOW, METAL COLOR.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH
YOU DON'T SEE 'EM, YOU SEE THOSE, THOSE PRESSED ALUMINUM SHINGLE ONES WHERE THEY WERE IMITATING A SHINGLE ROOF.
BUT I DON'T THINK IVE EVER SEEN A STANDING THEME METAL ROOF FROM THE 1950 EXCEPT MAYBE A MCKEEN CAMERA HOUSE OR LIKE SOME SORT OF FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT STYLE THING, BUT NOT JUST THESE KIND OF STANDARD, STANDARD RANCH HOUSES LIKE THIS.
THEY ALMOST ALWAYS HAD SHINGLES, UH, EXCEPT FOR THOSE PRESSED METAL ONES THAT LOOK LIKE SHINGLES.
SO, SO ARE, I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE IDENTIFYING, UH, OR MAYBE DISCUSSING THE TERM COMPATIBILITY SPECIFIC TO THIS, UH, DISTRICT? WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE, IT'S THE, MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS COMMISSION THAT ROOFING, UM, CONSIDERATION WASN'T BASED ON THE NORM.
IT WAS BASED ON THAT THERE WAS SOME PRECEDENT THAT IT WAS USED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND PRECEDENT FOR STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT ONES THAT ARE PICTURED ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT, AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, COMMISSIONER COLUM OR ANY OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, IS ANY OF THE ORIGINAL STOCK IN GLENBROOK VALLEY? UH, NO.
BUILT WITH STAIN THE SAME MIDDLE ROOF? YEAH.
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UH, YEAH.YEAH, THAT'S, BUT THIS ONE, THIS 81 32 GLEN CREST HAS BEEN THERE AT LEAST 20 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF.
IT'S A REPLACEMENT, IT'S A REPLACEMENT ROOF, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE POINT IS THAT IF I WERE TO BRING UP OH SIX WATER AND FIRST WATER, AGAIN, THERE WERE NO METAL STANDING RULES BACK IN 18 HUNDREDS AND, AND EARLY MAYBE UP TO EARLY 1900, YET WE HAVE APPROVED NUMEROUS RESTORATIONS WITH METAL STANDING ROOFS AND SOME, SOME OF THE DESIGNERS LIKE THAT METAL ROOF.
WELL, THERE'S ONE OTHER CAVEAT TO METAL ROOFS JUST FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE LIMERICK VALLEY, IT'S JUST THAT SOME OF THESE HOMES WERE BUILT WITH VERY LOW SLOPE ROOFS, LIKE ONE IN 12 AND THEY HAD ASPHALT ROOFS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT ON LEGALLY TODAY BECAUSE OF THE ROCK, THE BALLAST AND SO FORTH.
AND, UM, AND YOU CAN'T PUT SHINGLES ON THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL LEAK.
YOU NEED A, LIKE A FOUR AND 12.
I MEAN, YOU CAN DO A THREE AND 12, BUT, BUT THEIR MANUFACTURER SAYS FOUR AND 12.
SO SOMETIMES WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS STANDING SEAM PUT ONTO LOW SLOPE ROOFS BECAUSE THEY CAN SUFFER A LOWER SLOPE WITHOUT LEAKING.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SEEN AT LEAST FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE HOMES.
SO, UM, BUT THIS HOUSE IS LIKE A FIVE ON 12, SO IT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS IN GL VALLEY THAT DEFINITELY COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH, AND TO SEE WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS JOIN IS, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
UM, 'CAUSE I DO HAVE, UH, KIM WAKEFIELD SIGNED UP ON MY LIST TO SPEAK.
AND IF, IF, IF THE OWNER IS, IS ONLINE, COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND, AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND PERHAPS ADDRESS OF OUR CONCERNS.
I'M NOT HEARING, UM, SO MAYBE SHE'S NOT ON THE, ON THE CALL.
WHILE I'M DOING THIS, IS THERE ANY O OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? AND IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
AND I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR WOULD SOMEONE BRING A MOTION OR WOULD SOMEONE TEST A MOTION? UH, I WANT SOME CLARIFICATION.
I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO FROM, I MEAN, GAZ AS COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
UH, AS COMMISSIONER YAP STATED, WHEN WE DRIVE THROUGH THE SIXTH WARD, FIRST WARD, THE HEIGHTS, THERE'S METAL ROOFS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THOSE ARE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF USE OF METAL ROOFING.
AND, AND I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF I HAVE AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF ON A HISTORIC HOUSE AND I PUT AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF BACK ON IT, I DON'T NEED TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE THERE IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR ROOF STYLE.
BUT THERE'S NO GUIDELINES FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ANYWHERE THAT SAYS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON THEIR HOUSE? IS A QUESTION FOR TERRANCE AND ROMAN COULD MAYBE ADDRESS? UH, AS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE NO GLENBROOK VALLEY DESIGN GUIDELINES.
I THINK THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING WE COULD GO TO IS, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP BEING SO, SO SUBJECTIVE THAT IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE DEBATED AMONGST YOU GUYS.
BUT IN SECTION 33, 2, 1, SAME EXTERIOR ALTERATION, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION AND ADDITION, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX STATES NEW MATERIALS TO BE USED FOR ANY EXTERIOR FEATURE, EXCLUDING WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC ALLEYS MUST BE VISUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS THE MATERIALS BEING REPLACED IN FORM DESIGN, TEXTURE, DIMENSION, AND SCALE.
THAT'S THE BEST THING THAT WE COULD REFER IT TO.
AND I THINK WELL STAFF FEELS THAT THAT STATES THAT THEY CAN DO AS SUCH.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE THANK YOU TERRENCE.
WE'RE DISCUSSING WHAT WE THINK VISUALLY COMPATIBLE MEANS IN THIS CASE, IN THIS PLACE.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK.
I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BASIS I MAKING DECISION BASED ON VISUAL COMPATIBILITY, METAL ROOF ON.
I'M FINE WITH THEM PUTTING A METAL ROOF ON THAT BUILDING GIVEN THAT WE HAVE METAL ROOFS ON A LOT OF OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A LOT OF OTHER HOUSES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
IS IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S VISUALLY INCOMPATIBLE.
AND IF THERE'S SOME DATA OUT THERE THAT SAYS THAT RANCH HOUSES HAD SOME STANDING SEA ROOFS, THAT THERE'S BASIS FOR IT.
I GET THAT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, IT'S A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE.
WELL, CAN I, CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT IT SAYS MUST BE
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VISUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS SO I MEAN, AGAIN, IT, IT GETS SUBJECTIVE AND RIGHT.HOMES WITHOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO SPECIFICALLY RIGHT.
INTRODUCE A TOPIC OF ROOFING IN A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE'RE RIGHT.
BUT THAT GOES TO THE RESPECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S DISRESPECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU WANNA WAIT? YEAH.
ROMAN ING, SO I WAS BACK THERE CHEWING ON IT.
F I'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I KNOW THERE WERE HOUSES BUILT PRIOR TO THE 19 HUNDREDS, WHICH HAD METAL ROOFS INCLUDING STANDING SEAM, METAL ROOFS, UH, PRESS 10, PRESS EVERYTHING.
I'VE BEEN ON THOSE ROOFS TEARING APART, TEARING A ROOF OFF FROM THAT TIME.
THE FEELING I HAVE ABOUT THE ROOF, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID IT SINCE I GOT ON STAFF, IS ALL ROOFS IN HOUSTON, TEXAS ARE TEMPORARY.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO, THIS IS HOUSTON, THE NEXT HAILSTORM, THE NEXT HURRICANE, SOME TREE THING, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE REROOFING THAT HOUSE.
IT'S LIKE JUST IT, I, I'M PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH MENTALLY PUT IT WHERE I PUT PAINT COLOR AND, UM, SO IT, WE DIDN'T MAKE IT A HIGH PRIORITY.
IF WE REALLY PUT A CRITICAL EYE ON IT, YOU CAN MAKE IT THE CASE OF TAKING THE SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE THAT AS TERRENCE SAID, AND, AND, AND BEND IT, UM, THE SAME AS WE JUST TOOK THE TUR THE, THE, UH, THE SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE ON, ON THE ITEM IN NOR HILL THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ITEM RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE INTERPRET THINGS AND WE'LL HAVE THAT CHANCE IN CAMP TRAINING.
BUT ON THE ROOF, I THINK THAT IT'S A, IT'S A NICE LOOKING ROOF.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S THE, IN ONE OF THE, UH, COMPARABLES, THE COMPARABLE THAT WE SAID WAS I THINK RE-ROOFED PRIOR TO THE DISTRICT THAT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL ROOF WITH A KIND OF A BENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT IT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR HERE.
WHAT'S THAT SERIES? A VERY HIGH END, HIGH QUALITY ROOF, WHICH FRANKLY I WOULD THINK WOULD BE, WOULD PROBABLY, IT'S JUST AN IMPROVEMENT.
I I DON'T NECESSARILY SAY I WOULD DO IT, BUT THEN IT ALSO, YOU COULD ARGUABLY SAY IT'S MORE SUSTAINABLE THAN PUTTING AN OIL ROOF.
RIGHT? A COMP ROOF IS JUST PETROLEUM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT PETROLEUM SQUISHED REAL FLAT ON YOUR ROOF.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT, UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A, YOU KNOW, A DECADE OR TWO AWAY FROM EVERY ROOF.
AND THERE'S GONNA HAVE SOLAR SHINGLES WHEN THEY REROOF, UH, WHICH WE WILL HAVE ZERO ABILITY TO REGULATE BY STATE LAW.
UH, SO ALTOGETHER I, WE JUST KIND OF THOUGHT THAT'S THE ROOF THEY WANT, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, BUT WE ARE ALSO COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THIS COMMISSION SAYING IT'S NOT OKAY.
UH, THAT'S, THAT FALLS TO YOU.
BUT I TAKE THE, I'LL TAKE THE FAULT FOR TELLING MY STAFF.
A LOT OF TIMES ALL ROOFS IN HOUSTON ARE TEMPORARY.
SO MY, MY TENDENCY IS TO SAY THAT WE WILL PUT A ROOF ON.
UM, ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND TEST IT OUT.
WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION UNTIL THE COMMENT FROM HAHE SECTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A BIGGER ISSUE HERE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AND NOT, SO WE CAN BE MORE CONSISTENT AS WELL.
PART OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A HEAD ADD WITH MAYBE CAMP AND OTHER, SOME OTHER ITEMS. THIS IS ONE OF THEM PAINT COLORS AS WELL.
SO, UH, LET, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER DURING THE, UH, HAHC SECTION.
MCNEIL MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE THOUGH, I THINK MR. COUCH WOULD THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? OH, I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT COLOR? BECAUSE ALL THE SHINGLE ROOFS ARE DRAB COLORS AND HE HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO DO SOME CARNIVAL STYLE COLOR OR LIKE A BRIGHT METAL COLOR THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, THE RANCH HOUSE STYLE.
SEE IT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY OR LET ME, SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT OR LET ME ASK JENNIFER BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT FINE.
MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT PAINT COLORS IS KIND OF RESERVE RESULT RESERVED TO THE WALLS OF, OF LIKE WOOD PAINTING WOOD.
AND WHEN IT GETS TO A PRODUCT LIKE A SANDING SEAM ROOF, I GUESS I, I I'VE SORT OF, I DIDN'T THINK THE SAME COLOR BLINDNESS APPLIED TO JUST ANY GENERIC ROOF.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT
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COLOR THEY CAN PICK, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM TO PICK A COLOR THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE THEY PICK A COLOR.THAT WAS A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION WHEN THE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE WERE DONE THAT WE WOULD NOT GET INTO COLOR AND KIM THAT WOULD APPLY TO ROOFING.
THAT WOULD NOT AN ELEMENT THE CITY WOULD REGULATE.
BUT KIM, THAT WOULD APPLY TO ROOFING AS WELL.
ASIDING, I THINK IT APPLIES TO ANY PART OF THE BUILDING.
I'D LIKE TO ADD AT THIS POINT THAT COMPOSITION, ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS COME IN A RAINBOW OF COLOR.
SO YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE A GREEN ONE AND YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE A PINK ONE.
BUT WE ARE SAYING THAT'S BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
SAME AS IT WOULD BE FOR A METAL ROOF, PRE-FINISHED METAL ROOF.
IF WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT AS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT, WHICH I'LL VOTE AGAINST, I CAN CAN, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER TERRENCE JACKSON AGAIN, UH, IN SPEAKING WITH THE OWNER OVER THIS COURSE OF THE MONTH, I'M REALLY, I'M POSITIVE THAT IF, IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME
AND I'M SURE IF I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND SAID, TOLD HIM THAT, HEY, YOU GOT IT APPROVED, BUT THE HAHC WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A MORE TONED DOWN COLOR, HE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SO.
I MEAN, UM, HE GONNA STRIKE ME AS SOMEONE THAT'S LOOKING TO PUT LIKE THE BLUE THAT'S SHOWN ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE CUT SHEET ON THE ROOF.
YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WHICH PRE-FINISHED COLOR HE MIGHT CHOOSE FROM THE METAL ROOF SELECTIONS.
VER VERSUS THE, THE AMENABILITY TO GOING TO A SH ANOTHER SHINGLE ROOF INSTEAD OF GOING THE METAL ROOF.
THE COLOR OF THE ROOF BEING WITH IT BEING A METAL ROOF.
AND WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, IF I MAY MM-HMM
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, APPLICANT'S PREFERENCE FOR, UH, DIFFERENT KIND OF ROOF THAN THE ONE HE IS GOT NOW? IS IS ABOUT WHY? I MEAN, IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON THAT YOU KNOW OF WHY HE IS CHOOSING TO GO METAL VERSUS, UH, ACTUALLY DON'T, NO, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T.
YOU KNOW WHY I'M ASKING? SOMETIMES THAT, THAT INTENT IS, UH, IS INFORMATIVE TO TO, TO THE CHOICE, THE DECISION TO MAKE ABOUT, UH, ACCEPTABILITY.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES WE TALK ABOUT COST, BUT HERE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE PRESUMABLY THIS IS IN, IN TERMS OF COST, PRESUMABLY IT'S AN UPGRADE RIGHT.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND COLOR IS NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, UM, LET'S VOTE BY ROLL CALL, UM, BECAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET A SENSE WHERE, WHERE THIS IS GONNA GONNA GO.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, I SAY YOU'RE STILL ON LINE HOW, UH, I VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
SO I'VE GOT SIX AFFIRMATIVE AND 4 3 4 AND FOUR AGAINST, CORRECT.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM F, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.
I THINK WE'VE LOST THE ROOM, ALTHOUGH IT'S AN EARLY NIGHT.
IT ITS EARLY EVENING, SO IT'S, UM, OKAY.
UM, ITEM G, ARE THERE COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC, WHICH WE HAVE? YEAH, UH, YAP WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BRING THIS TOPIC UP FOR, UH, FURTHER CONSIDERATION BY THE PRESERVATION STAFF AND BY KIM.
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UH, OUR LEGALS REP AS WELL AS TO WHETHER CAN WE REGULATE MATERIALS ON THE ROOF.UH, PREVIOUSLY AS A, AS A APPLICANT, MANY TIMES I WAS TOLD THAT WE, WE ARE, WE CAN, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH THE MATERIAL, BUT WE ARE NOT FLEXIBLE WITH THE PITCH.
UH, I'VE TRIED TO SOMETIMES BRING THE PITCH HIGHER OR LOWER AND THE PITCH HAS TO REMAIN IN A HISTORIC HOUSE, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL.
BUT THE MATERIALS WAS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW THAT WE COULD USE SHINGLES, WE COULD USE METAL AND SO ON.
AND I WOULD LIKE THAT CLARIFICATION JUST AS GOING INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CLARIFICATION OF WHETHER CAN WE REGULATE OR NOT.
WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE RAFTER TAILS IN THE ADDITION.
UH, WHETHER IT IS ONE STORY TO CONTINUE FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE OR ON THE SECOND STORY GOING UP NOW BECAUSE THERE IS A BRICK THAT WE WANT TO SEE BOX OF IT JUST TO SEE THE MAJOR SEPARATION.
UH, YES, I DO AGREE WITH MS. KELSEY THAT AESTHETICALLY IT'S A LOT PRETTIER TO PUT RAFTER TAILS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A ONE STORY ADDITION ONLY AND YOU CONTINUE THE RAFTER TAILS TO THE BACK.
BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT, UH, OH, WE GOTTA SEE ALL THAT SEPARATION, UH, SEPARATION OF MATERIALS, SEPARATION OF WHETHER YOU INSET AND, AND FROM THE OLD AND THE NEW, SIMPLIFY THE WINDOWS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THIS MAY BE A GOOD TIME THAT WE PUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OF CAMP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT IN OUR APPROACH, BE IT WHATEVER THAT IS.
IF WE ARE SO CONSISTENT ABOUT WINDOWS SIMPLIFYING AND MAKING IT A DIFFERENT LOOKING WINDOW, ESPECIALLY AGAINST VICTORIAN HOMES, WHICH IS ALWAYS TWO OVER TWO OR 4 0 4 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO JUST 1 0 1.
IS THIS GOING TO BE TRANSLATED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EDITION, NEW EDITION ON EVERY ITEM OR MATERIAL OF THE NEW EDITION? THANK YOU.
WELL, SINCE I, ON THE COMMISSION, THAT'S BEEN THE WAY IT'S BEEN AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A CREEP AWAY FROM THAT NOW, BUT THE GUIDELINES YOU LOOK AT GUIDELINE THREE DON'T CREATE A NEWER LATER APPEARANCE.
IT'S JUST I THINK WE'RE INTERPRETING IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY YOU ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE NEW AND THE OLD AND NOT TRY TO MIMIC THE OLD ON THE ADDITION.
SO I, I'M, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY WE'RE CHANGING OUR MINDS NOW AND, AND QUESTIONING SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS CORRECT.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE CHANGING OUR MINDS.
I THINK THAT THE DEGREE OF SEPARATION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER A PROJECT BEFORE TODAY WHERE WE SAID THEY SHOULD HAVE BOX SOFFITS, UH, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING THE CORNERS DIFFERENTIATION ON SIDING, MINOR DIFFERENTIATION OF MATERIALS.
BUT AS WE HEAR FROM NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE, THEY WANT SOME CONSISTENCY.
THEY DON'T WANT THE ADDITION TO STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
THEY ACTUALLY WANT IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YES, WE'VE ALWAYS VOTED FOR DIFFERENTIATION, BUT I, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT A FASCIA BOARD IN OPEN TAILS OVER BOX SOFFIT IN THE HEIGHTS FOR ME BOX OFFICE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE HEIGHTS.
AND, AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEGREES OF DIFFERENTIATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A MINDSET CHANGE IN ANY WAY.
IT'S JUST WHAT THE COMMISSION, HOW FAR DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO GO AND SEEING DIFFERENTIATION.
'CAUSE WE COULD GO REALLY FAR IN ENFOR DIFFERENTIATION.
WELL I THINK DOING THESE CAMELBACK CONDITIONS IS ALSO NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC, BUT, BUT I THINK EVEN MORE SO WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE THEM VISUALLY RECESSIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BIG AND THEY OFTEN DWARF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR SIMPLICITY, FOR ADDITIONS INSTEAD OF MIMICKING THE HOUSE BECAUSE NO BUNGALOW EVER LOOKED LIKE THAT.
SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE SEE, THEY, THEY NEVER DID.
AND WE KNOW THAT THIS MR. CHAIR YES, THIS IS KIM MICKELSON WITH LEGAL AND I, I WOULD SAY I, I GATHER THERE'S A LOT TO BE TALKED ABOUT HERE, SO SURE.
UM, WE'LL GET WITH STAFF AND, AND OUTLINE AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S TIME IF WE CAN SET ASIDE SOME TIME ON AN AGENDA TO HAVE SOME, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT AROUND THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF POLICY TYPES OF DIRECTION.
CERTAINLY I THINK, I MEAN, ONE THING I WOULD OFFER IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE PART OF CERTIFIED GOVERNMENT, PERHAPS, UM, STAFF COULD ALSO CONSULT WITH THE TEXAS STORE COMMISSION.
UM, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THESE KIND OF ISSUES COME UP ALL THE TIME ON THESE TAX CREDIT PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO ADHERE TO A MUCH HIGHER
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STANDARD FOR THE, FOR THE, THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, UM, STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.UM, SO SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT NEW.
I MEAN, CONCEPTS I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, AND, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S STILL SUBJECT, THE ANSWER IS STILL SUBJECTIVE.
I MEAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE BEEN ON MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TEXAS STORE COMMISSION STAFF ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ASK IS TO MAKE SOMETHING NEW ABSTRACTED, SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE OLD, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU KNOW OF, OF SOME, SOME ASPECTS THAT, THAT ARE REMINISCENT.
AND YET, UM, THE, AND I CAN JUST TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN A SUBJECTIVE CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH, AND SOMETIMES YOU GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DESIGN, UH, ITERATIONS TO COME TO WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE OR THE RECOMMENDED FINAL SCHEME.
SO ALL I WOULD ASK IS THAT THESE KINDS OF ISSUES ARE PLAYING OUT ACROSS THE NATION AND OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND, UM, WE MIGHT JUST AT LEAST LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT IS THE, THE HIGHEST INTERPRETATION OF THE LANE WITH THE PARK SERVICE.
IF WE AT LEAST COULD GET THAT KNOWLEDGE.
IT MIGHT HELP US IN OUR CONVERSATION AT CAMP.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY THAT PERHAPS THEY CAN ALSO, UM, INJECT INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
THERE'S MORE CLARITY PER DISTRICT GIVEN THAT OUR DISTRICTS DO, DO, THEY DO DIFFER, UM, FROM ONE TO THE NEXT.
EVEN EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER ARE MANY TIMES, UM, DIFFERENT.
UM, NO, THERE WERE OTHER COMMENTS.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR THAT, FOR THAT TIME.
I THINK HE'S, WE ARE DUE FOR A, UH, SESSION.
WELL, WHEN IS CAMP? CAMP IS VERY SOON.
I THINK WE, UM, WE'VE GOT THREE, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CAMP PEOPLE ON TUESDAY, I THINK NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT, ONCE WE KIND OF GET A SENSE OF HOW MUCH TIME IT'LL TAKE, WE'VE GOT THREE DATES WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT TO YOU OR THREE WEEKENDS, UM, ALL FRIDAY, SATURDAY PAIRS.
WE PROBABLY JUST NEED ONE OF THOSE DAYS.
UM, BUT WE WILL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU ONE IN FEBRUARY, ONE IN MARCH AND ONE IN APRIL, OR WAS IT TWO IN MARCH.
SO WE WILL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU TUESDAY AT THE LATEST.
SO YOU CAN AT LEAST HOLD THE DATES AND WE'LL DO A, A, UM, A POLL.
SO THE FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR, SO MM-HMM
BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE INSTEAD OF GOING TO CAMP AND JUST TALKING ABOUT LEGALISMS, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THESE CONCEPTS BEHIND THESE CRITERIA SO THAT THEY COULD BE A FULL ON CONVERSATION, MAYBE SOME VERY SIMPLE DIAGRAMS JUST TO BE FOR CLARITY.
BUT I I, EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD THAT TYPE OF EDUCATIONAL DIALOGUE, THE COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS COME OUT, UH, TO BE MORE CONSISTENT, UH, FROM, FROM THAT.
IT WOULD HELP I THINK EVERYONE.
THANK, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ANY IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE.
I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UM, TO KNOW AS WE GO INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND, UH, CHERRY, YOU HAD ALSO MENTIONED, UM, PHOTOS THAT WERE SHOWN THE LAST TIME Y'ALL DID CAMP, AND I FOUND THOSE.
SO I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T NEED THE EXACT SAME PHOTOS, BUT THE IDEA OF PHOTOS ARE BETTER THAN WORDS LOTS OF TIMES.
UM, SO WE WILL USE, BUT LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT IN LAST TIME, I THINK FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE MORE EFFECTIVE, AND I TOLD MARGARET THIS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE CAMP, WOULD BE TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE YOU TEACH ME LIKE THE BASIS FOR WHICH THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE ON SO I CAN BE MORE CONSISTENT BESIDES JUST USING MY SUBJECTIVITY OF LIKE, HEY, I THINK THAT'S COOL, THEY SHOULD DO IT.
UM, AND SO HAVING THE HISTORICAL BASIS OR WHAT THE NATIONAL PEOPLE ARE DOING OR WHAT THE STATE PEOPLE ARE DOING HELPS US BE ALIGNED WITH WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PRECEDENCE IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND COMMISSIONER, MAYOR, WHAT I WOULD SAY, MY, MY MAIN RECOGNITION IS JUST TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE NATIONALLY OR AT LEAST FROM THE PARK SERVICE, WHAT THE DEFINITIONS OF THE CONCEPTS ARE.
I WOULD SAY THAT HOUSTON AND OUR DISTRICTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER DISTRICTS AND OTHER STATES.
AND THAT WILL REMAIN THE CASE REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE IN KANSAS DO.
AND SO THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL STILL DETERMINE WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR HOUSTON, TEXAS AND THESE DISTRICTS.
BUT I DO THINK THE CONCEPTS ARE PRETTY UNIVERSAL.
AND IF WE JUST UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND WHAT THE ISSUE IS, THEN I THINK THE COMMISSION IS BETTER SUITED TO MAKE A DECISION, A JUDGMENT CALL FOR OUR DISTRICT.
SO I DO THINK WE WILL, WE WILL ALWAYS BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT HOUSTON AND WE ROLL DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PLACES, NO QUESTION.
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ABOUT WINDOWS ROOM AND TELLS ME THAT THE STATE STANDARD IS, IF THE OPENING IS THE SAME, BUT YOU CHANGE THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE MET THAT STATE REQUIREMENT.RIGHT? AND SO BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE AND MORE WE HAVE THIS MIX OF, OH, GLENBROOK VALLEY, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS.
AND SO WHAT I'M OPEN TO HAVING A WINDOW CONVERSATION, JENNIFER, AND HOW DO, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS AND WHAT IS OUR STANDARD? BECAUSE LIKE COMMISSIONER YAP, I WANNA BE CONSISTENT.
I WANT EVERY ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS WHO COMES BEFORE US TO GET TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET AND NOT JUST HODGEPODGE OF SUBJECTIVITY.
AND THERE, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I THINK THE, THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH ROMAN ABOUT EVALUATING A PROJECT FOR NATIONAL REGISTRY LISTING UNDER ONE BAR AND THEN THERE, BUT THERE ARE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT IF THE WINDOW IS EXISTING.
YOU KNOW, IT SAYS TO REPAIR THE WINDOW FIRST BEFORE YOU REPLACE IT.
IF YOU REPLACE IT, MATCH IT FOR WHAT IT WAS, IF YOU KNOW.
AND SO, UM, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT ALL OF WHICH CAN BE DISCUSSED IN AN OPEN FORUM DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ALL SURE.
SO I GUESS I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM H, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REPORT.
ROMAN, YOU HAVE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? THIS IS STILL ONE OF OUR SHORTEST MEETINGS.
SO
CAN I, CAN I TAKE ONCE, ONE MINUTE HERE? SURE.
UH, IT IS A VERY RARE OCCASION THAT I SEE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE OVER ON THAT SIDE OF THE WALL THAN THIS SIDE OF THE WALL.
AND THEREFORE, UH, I AM FEIGNING, UH, MY FORGETFULNESS.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO INTRODUCE YOUR STAFF AGAIN, PLEASE.
PUT ME ON THE SPOT WITH DADDY BRAIN
KARA, KARA J
NO T NO T THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WAIT, WHO ARE YOU? YEAH, AND ME.
DOES THAT HELP? WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT.
THEY'RE HARD, VERY HARDWORKING, CONSCIOUS OF ALL THE CALLS THAT COME IN ALL DAY.
SO THEY'RE, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THEM.
IT'S BEEN NICE FOR THE LAST ABOUT A YEAR TO TRY TO THINK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
THEN WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR AND I HAD TO DO ALL 34 STAFF REPORTS WITH, WITH KAREEM, UM, AND NOT HAVING TO TAKE THE CALLS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF GAINS ON EFFICIENCY.
REALLY THE BIG GAIN WE EVER MADE WAS STOPPING THE PHONE FROM RINGING BY ASKING THE PEOPLE OVER AT PERMITTING TO RELEASE SINGLE TRADE PERMITS ON THEIR OWN.
UM, AND THE PHONE, I MEAN, THE PHONE WENT FROM RINGING, UH, WELL, LIKE MULTIPLE CALLS RINGING ALL DAY TO A LOT LESS.
BUT WHOEVER'S ANSWERING THE EVERY DAY THERE'S SOMEONE ANSWERING THE PHONE ALL DAY, CALL THE PLANNER OF THE DAY.
AND THOSE CALLS STILL CAN KEEP YOU, UH, GOING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE, WE'RE, UH, FRANKLY, UM, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO AS EFFICIENT AS I WANT IT TO BE FROM DAY ONE WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR.
UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING.
THE, THE, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PART, THERE'S A PART OF THE CITY CODE THAT SAYS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING MAY DELEGATE ALL OF THE AUTHORITY OF CHAPTER 33 TO THE PERSON KNOWN AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
BUT A LOT OF THE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE TIMES THAT Y'ALL MENTIONED, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD.
AND THAT STEMS FROM BEING TOLD BY PEOPLE WHO AREN'T, DON'T MEET THE STANDARD, DON'T KNOW THE THEORY OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY, VERY HIGH BAR TO BE THE RECOMMENDED PRESERVATION OFFICER.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON WHO THEY RECOMMEND IS YOUR PRESERVATION OFFICER, THE BAR IS VERY HIGH.
BUT AT THE END THEY SAY, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE LIKE THAT, WHOEVER YOU HAVE THAT'S INTERESTED, THAT HAS A STRONG INTEREST CAN BE YOUR PRESERVATION OFFICER.
I WILL SAY THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT YOUR PRESERVATION OFFICER.
SO WHEN I SEE DECISIONS THAT, THAT I THINK ARE DIFF AREN'T RIGHT.
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UM, AND I'LL BE FRANK, I THINK THE DECISION ON THE NOR HILL, UH, PERSON WHERE THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTED THE OPEN TAILS AND THOSE PEERS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT DECISION.UM, I THINK THAT AS A STAFF PUBLIC SERVANT, IN THE ROLE OF PUBLIC SERVANT AND PRESERVATION OFFICER, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BALANCE THE, THE, THE BALANCE, THE, THE CITIZENS, THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND WITH, WITH THIS HIGH BAR OF PRESERVATION, AND AGAIN, THAT BAR IS VERY HIGH.
IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THEORY OF PRESERVATION, YOU, YOU AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOWHERE.
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE ARCHITECTURE DOWN, BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THEORY.
THEN YOU MAKE, THEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE CREATE, UH, OVER 1200 HISTORIC HOME HISTORIC DISTRICT LIKE GLENBROOK VALLEY WITHOUT THINKING OF THE IMPLICATIONS THAT THAT WAS GONNA HAVE.
'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE THEORY.
YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU PRE PRESERVING? AND THAT, THAT'S JUST SO CRITICAL, UM, TO EVERY DECISION WE MAKE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT IF THE ORDINANCE AND THE CRITERIA GETS YOU TO A MIDPOINT, THAT ANOTHER WORDS, I COULD SEE IT GOING EITHER WAY, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT REALLY CLEAR, THEN I'M GOING FOR WHAT THE APPLICANT ASKS FOR.
AND IN THIS CASE, LIKE THAT, THAT ONE, WE HAVE A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT, A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD THEN WE HAVE ONE, UH, UH, PERSON WHO MAKES A DECISION ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT MY RECOMMENDATION TO BE CLEAR.
SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ME, BUT THE CAMP TRAINING CAN HELP.
UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY.
I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, CREST, MARK WINDOWS, UNFORTUNATELY IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, WE DID HAVE A SUPPLIER OF MILL FINISHED ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THEY HAVE SENT A LETTER TO TERRANCE THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER MAKING 'EM, I GUESS THEY WEREN'T SELLING ENOUGH OF 'EM.
THEY SAID THE REASON WAS THAT ENERGY CODE THIS FALL, FALL, THIS OCTOBER BY WAY.
IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE, I THINK NATIONAL.
IT'S BEEN A GREAT YOU YEAR, FOUR YEARS.
YOU JUST, I, I'M SO THANKFUL, YOU KNOW, DAVID CHAIRED HICK NETTE BEFORE YOU GUYS WORK SO HARD TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND LISTEN TO EACH APPLICANT AND CONSIDER EACH ONE.
IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S INSPIRING AND IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING AND I, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
SO I REALLY JUST WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR.
WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS, UH, ON THE BURNERS AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REAL SUCCESSFUL TIME.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT EFFICIENCY BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE, IF I'M STILL WRITING EIGHT PAGE REPORTS FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.
UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IS IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY AND VERY EFFICIENTLY, AND IT DOESN'T NEVER HAS IN THIS OFFICE.
SO WE, WE NEED TO BE BETTER ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS.
CAN WE GET DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR EVERY DISTRICT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS?
I FORGOT THE LADY THAT LEFT THAT WAS HERE FOR A WHILE.
SHE WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE WERE NOT DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR FREELAND.
SHE ACTUALLY LIVES IN E UM, IN THE HEIGHTS EAST.
AND SHE ASKED, SHE SAID THAT THESE DISTRICTS WERE PROMISED DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET.
AND WITH A TEAM LIKE THIS, IF WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT, WE CAN EASILY WRITE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'RE WORKING NOW CLOSELY WITH NOR HILL.
WE, WE, THEY'RE RIGHT NOW POSTED ONLINE AT LET'S TALK HOUSTON IS THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES.
TAKE THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.
THE CURRENT DRAFT HAS A, A FLORIDA AREA RATIO THAT IS A LITTLE TOO SMALL, I THINK, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO ONCE WE REFINE THAT DOCUMENT DOWN, IF WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THEM, WE'RE GONNA CALL A PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE YOU GUYS.
WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT AS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
SO, BECAUSE IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE BECAUSE WE, WE'LL MAIL NOTICE TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THEM AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD DECIDE IF WE NEED TO DEFER AND, AND MAKE A LITTLE MORE ADJUSTMENT.
BUT DESIGN GUIDELINES, PROPERLY TRAINED PEOPLE ARE VERY EASY TO WRITE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING SOME OF
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THAT MORE INTERESTING WORK.THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH, THOROUGH ENOUGH.
YOU WANNA LEAVE HISTORICAL? NO.
YOU'LL ALWAYS NEED THE COMMISSION.
YOU'LL ALWAYS NEED THE COMMISSION.
YOU'LL ALWAYS NEED THE COMMISSION.
THERE ARE MANY TIMES THAT YOU NEED MANY MINDS REPRESENTING ALL PARTS OF HOUSTON, REPRESENTING THE BUILDERS SIDE, REPRESENTING THE ARCHITECTS, THE ARCHEOLOGY, IT ALL COMES INTO PLAY, UH, IS CRITICAL TO GOOD DECISION MAKING.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN.