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          ORDER. 
          [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on June 29, 2023.]
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IT'S, UH, 2:33 PM THURSDAY, JUNE 29TH. 
          2023. 
          TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION. 
          HAHC IS CALLED TO ORDER. 
          I AM CH COMMISSIONER CHAIR DAVID EK. 
          UH, TO VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. 
          UM, IS VICE CHAIR, UM, AUER JACKSON. 
          PRESENT VIRTUALLY APPEARS NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER JONES IS, UH, IS DELAYED, BUT WILL BE, UH, ATTENDING, UH, AT THIS MOMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND I DO EXPECT HER TO ARRIVE SHORTLY. 
          COMMISSIONER DEBO, ARE YOU PRESENT VIRTUALLY? DEBO PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER VEDA IS NOT AVAILABLE. 
          SHE WILL BE ABSENT TODAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCNEIL PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CURRY PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER COLLUM PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER YAP. 
          PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER STAAVA. 
          UM, VIRTUALLY ATTENDING PRESENT VIRTUALLY. 
          COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OSLAN PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M JENNIFER OSLAND, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION, AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE SOME NEW TEAM MEMBERS IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN JOINED RECENTLY BY CHARLES SADLER, WHO'S BANNING THE CHAT TODAY. 
          AND KARA QUIGLEY, UM, AND SHE'S ASSISTING. 
          SO WE ARE SLOWLY BUILDING THE TEAM, TEAM BACK UP AND EXCITED TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A, A COUPLE INTERNS JOINING US, UM, AT THE MEETING TODAY. 
          IF YOU ALL JUST WANNA WAIT, RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          WE, UM, HAVE A WHOLE CREW WORKING WITH US THIS SUMMER AND ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM. 
          THEY'RE HELPING IN ALL, ALL MANNER OF, UH, WAYS. 
          UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPEALS BOARD CONSIDERED TWO, UH, REQUESTS FOR APPEALS OF HHC DECISIONS AT THEIR MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY, JUNE 26TH. 
          THE BOARD UPHELD THE DECISION OF HHC REGARDING PROPERTY AT 7 0 5 WEST MAIN STREET. 
          IT REFERRED A REQUEST, UH, THE REQUEST FOR SEVEN 16 SILVER STREET BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THAT NEW INFORMATION COULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          THAT ITEM WILL BE APPEARING ON YOUR AGENDA IN AUGUST. 
          UM, STAFF WILL PRESENT OFFICIAL ORDERS OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT MEETING, UM, AT YOUR MEETING IN AUGUST. 
          SO THERE WILL BE AN OFFICIAL RECORD PRESENTED TO YOU ON WHAT HAPPENED, UH, ABOUT GLENBROOK VALLEY WINDOWS, UH, STAFF. 
          UM, IN RECENT WEEKS DEVELOPED A STRATEGY TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, HOW TO REPAIR WINDOWS AND WHAT TO DO IF WINDOWS NEED REPLACING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH REGULARLY. 
          UM, AND SO THE STRATEGY INCLUDES ONE, SENDING A LETTER TO, UH, WINDOWS SUPPLIERS TO INFORM THEM OF THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC, UH, HISTORICAL ORDINANCE, PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TWO, TO DEVELOP A BROCHURE THAT WILL BE MAILED OR HAND DELIVERED TO ALL, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT. 
          IT WILL INCLUDE A QR CODE TO A WEBSITE WITH MORE INFORMATION AND ALSO TO THAT WINDOW REPAIR VIDEO, UM, THAT WE MADE. 
          WE'LL UPDATE THE VIDEO WITH CLOSED CAPTIONING TO, UM, IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SPOKEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'LL ALSO EXPLORE POSSIBLY USING YARD SIGNS WITH QR CODES TO ALERT PEOPLE TO THIS INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THIRD, WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE HHC, UM, WINDOW SUBCOMMITTEE TO REPORT BACK FINDINGS FROM ALL OF THEIR WORK. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A, A LOOP THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE CLOSED, SO WE WILL TALK TO THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND PERHAPS CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. 
          SO WE'LL BEGIN WORK ON IMPLEMENTING THESE, THE STRATEGY, UM, STARTING NEXT WEEK. 
          SO WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED. 
          UM, FOR A SNAPSHOT FOR 
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SOME PRESERVATION WORK LAST MONTH. 
          UM, WE'VE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 183 APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE END OF MAY. 
          WE'VE RECEIVED 43 SINCE OUR LAST REPORT. 
          THE COMMISSION REVIEWED 13 OF THOSE APPLICATIONS FOR A TOTAL OF 35 APPLICATIONS THIS YEAR. 
          STAFF REVIEWED 11 ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS. THE YEAR TO DATE TOTAL FOR AAS IS 72. 
          STAFF ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR FOUR PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS THIS PAST MONTH WITH A TOTAL OF 20 FOR THIS, UH, CALENDAR YEAR. 
          THERE IS NO REGULARLY SCHEDULED HHC MEETING IN JULY. 
          SO WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN HERE IN THIS ROOM ON AUGUST 3RD. 
          THAT IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, AND, UM, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT US@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT. 
          I DO NOT SEE MARTY CORNO, SO I'M ASSUMING THERE IS NO REPORT TODAY. 
          SO WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF THE MAY 18TH, 2023 TRAINING IN A HC MINUTES COMMISSIONERS. 
          HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? AND IF, AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER STAAVA. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MCNEIL MADE THE MOTION. 
          STAVO SECONDS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          NOW WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 33, ARTICLE SEVEN, DIVISION FIVE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, ADDING A NEW SECTION 33 DASH 2 69 TO PROVIDE AN EXEMPTION TO THE CITY OF HOUSTON SIGN CODE TO ALLOW ROOFTOP SIGNS ON PROTECTED LANDMARK BUILDINGS AND ESTABLISHING STANDARDS. 
          ROMAN. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M ROMAN MCAL AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. 
          UH, AND THIS IS AN ORDINANCE REVISION TO SUMMARIZE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE, THE INSTALLATION OR OF, OF SIGNS ON ROOFTOPS. 
          BASICALLY, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAT. 
          IT ACTUALLY EXEMPTS CERTAIN BUILDINGS FROM HAVING TO COMPLY WITH A, WITH A SIGN ORDINANCE IS A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. 
          AND THAT CERTAIN NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, UM, IS, IS DEFINED IF YOU'RE IN THAT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE DOCUMENT ON PAGE TWO OF THAT ORDINANCE, IT'S A BUILDING THAT WILL, THAT OTHERWISE COMPLIES WITH ALL OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE HOUSTON SIGN CODE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, UH, AND THEIR, THE APPROVED GUIDELINES THEY'RE ATTACHED AND, AND ANY OTHER SPECIFIC HISTORIC DISTRICT IF THE BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN A DISTRICT. 
          THIRDLY, UH, IT EXISTED, THE SIGN EXISTED DURING THE EVENTS OR HISTORICAL PERIOD THAT SERVES AS THE BASIS FOR THE DESIGNATION AND FORTH, UH, FOR WHICH THE OWNER HAS OBTAINED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, JUST ALLOWING FOR, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING THAT MEETS THOSE, THOSE THOSE THINGS, AND YOU KNOW THAT IT HAD A SIGN ON ITS ROOF AND YOU CAN PROVE IT, THEN WE WOULD ALLOW, UH, THE CITY, THEN IT WOULD EXEMPT IT FROM THE SIGN, UH, THAT, THE FACT THAT YOU NORMALLY CAN'T DO THAT OTHERWISE. 
          AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE, UH, UM, UH, PUBLIC, UM, UH, CONSIDERATION. 
          MR. COMMISSIONER? YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, A ROOF, UH, SOCIETY? I HAVE A HARD TIME PICTURING IT. 
          UM, A SIGN ON A ROOF. 
          SO CAN YOU GIMME KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STAAVA. 
          WE DIDN'T COME PREPARED WITH ONE, BUT YOU SAW ONE RECENTLY WITH THE, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF, OR THE DESIGNATION OF THE EL DORADO BALLROOM. 
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UM, BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER THINKING BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE HAD OF THAT BALLROOM, THERE WAS A SIGN ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING. 
          ANOTHER ONE, THOUGH, THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU, THAT MAY NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. 
          IF YOU THINK BACK IN, IN HOUSTON, UH, AS I DO OF THE GULF BUILDING, USED TO HAVE A NEON TURNING SIGN UP ON TOP, UM, WHICH WE LOST ABOUT THE TIME THAT WE GOT CABLE NEWS, BUT, UH OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THIS. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP ON MY LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING. 
          I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS SOMEONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON ANNOUNCING MY PRESENCE. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE AND ALSO MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. MCNEIL SECONDS. 
          NO OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          FOUR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY AGAINST, ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          MR. CHAIR, MAY I, DID I HEAR YOU SAY YOU OPENED AND CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM, CORRECT? YES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND ALSO WE, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES DID ARRIVE, UH, FOR THE VERBAL RECORD. 
          WE WANNA HAVE THAT NOTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM B, PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY AT 1300 COURT STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR PERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          THIS IS STAFF MEMBER TAYLOR VALLEY. 
          I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AGENDA ITEM B FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK AND PROTECTED ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE AS A CEMETERY DESIGNATION FOR THE OLIVE CEMETERY. 
          THE OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY SERVED THE EARLY AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN HOUSTON FOR OVER 100 YEARS. 
          THE OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION WAS INCORPORATED IN 1875 AND PURCHASED 5.5 ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY THAT SAME YEAR FROM ELIZABETH MAUREEN, SLOW CALM. 
          THE ORGANIZATION BOUGHT TWO ADJACENT ACRES IN 1917, ALSO KNOWN IN ITS EARLY YEARS AS OLIVE WOOD BEING TWO SEPARATE WORDS, HOLLYWOOD AND HOLLYWOOD. 
          IT IS ONE OF THE OLDEST KNOWN PLAID CEMETERIES IN THE CITY. 
          THE ORIGINAL 444 FAMILY PLOTS COMPRISING OF OVER 5,000 BURIAL SPACES WERE LAID OUT ALONG AN ELLIPTICAL DRIVE. 
          THE BURIAL GROUND CONTAINS SEVERAL HUNDRED MARKED GRAVES, IN ADDITION TO AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF UNMARKED GRAVES. 
          ENTERED. 
          HERE ARE PIVOTAL LEADERS OF HOUSTON'S POST EMANCIPATION, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE PASTOR OF TRINITY METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH, THE REVEREND ELIAS DIBBLE BUSINESSMAN, JAMES B. BELL, ALDERMAN AND LANDOWNER. 
          RICHARD BROCK, ATTORNEY JAY VANCE LEWIS EDUCATOR, JAMES D. RYAN, PHYSICIAN RUSSELL F. FARRELL, AND DENTIST MILTON. 
          A BAKER ALSO BURIED HERE ARE FORMERLY ENSLAVED PEOPLE, LABORERS, SORORITY AND FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION MEMBERS AND MILITARY VETERANS. 
          THE BURIAL GROUND ALSO INCLUDES EXAMPLES OF PRE EMANCIPATION BURIAL PRACTICES, INCLUDING UPRIGHT PIPES SYMBOLIZING THE PATH BETWEEN THE WORLDS OF THE LIVING AND THE DEAD OCEAN, SHELLS AND GRAVE ORNAMENTS AND TEXTS CONTAINING UPSIDE DOWN OR BACKWARDS LETTERS AS USED IN SOME WEST AFRICAN CULTURES TO SIGNIFY DEATH TODAY, OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY REMAINS A KEY HISTORICAL SITE IN HOUSTON, SERVING AS A TESTAMENT TO THE FORESIGHT AND PERSEVERANCE OF THE CEMETERY FOUNDERS. 
          THE OLIVE WOODS CEMETERY MEETS CRITERIA IS 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, AND EIGHT FOR DESIGNATION AND ONE, TWO, AND FOUR FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND PROTECTED ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE AS A CEMETERY OF THE OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY AT 1300 COURT STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 7. 
          MEMBERS OF THE DESCENDANTS OF OLIVE WOOD 
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INCORPORATED HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          THIS INCLUDE CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GONNA OPEN UP, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, AND THERE ARE THREE SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS PAUL JENNINGS TO BE FOLLOWED BY JASMINE LEE. 
          UM, MR. JENNINGS, ARE YOU, YOU'RE IN THE ROOM. 
          YOU'LL PLEASE APPROACH THE MIC AND, AND RESTATE YOUR NAME. 
          AND, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS PAUL JENNINGS. 
          I'M ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF, UH, DESCENDANTS OF OLIVE WOOD. 
          WE'LL HAVE OUR MAIN SPEAKERS AFTER ME. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HAND OUT, UH, WE'VE MADE A LIST OF NOTABLE PEOPLE WHO ARE BURIED AT OLIVE WOOD, WHICH I THOUGHT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. 
          IF, UH, SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE AND DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE THAT'S SIGNED UP IS JASMINE LEE. 
          BACK TO PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MY NAME IS JASMINE LEE AND I'M ALSO ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE DISSONANCE OF OLIVE WOOD. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OLIVE WOOD FOR THIS DESIGNATION. 
          UM, TOO OFTEN WITH HISTORIC BLACK CEMETERIES, SORRY,  TOO OFTEN WITH HISTORIC BLACK CEMETERIES, THEY ARE AT BEST ABANDONED OR COMPLETELY DISMANTLED AND DESECRATED IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THROUGH HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION OF MS. MARGO WILLIAMS, MR. CHARLES COOK, AND MR. PAUL JENNINGS, UH, WE'VE KEPT OLIVE WOOD FROM THIS FATE. 
          BUT AS WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, WE CANNOT, UH, WE CANNOT PRESERVE OLIVE WOOD WITHOUT THE SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, THAT SUPPORT COMES IN MORE FORM, MORE FORMS OTHER THAN VOLUNTEERING, ALTHOUGH WE DO APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO, UH, BY PICKING UP A RAKE, UM, BUT TODAY WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT STEP THAT THE BROADER COMMUNITY HOUSTON WOULD TAKE IN PROTECTING OLIVE WOOD FOR THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT PERSON SIGNED UP IS EMILY WAN WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND I THINK SHE MAY BE VIRTUAL. 
          SORRY, I'M SIGNED UP FOR, UM, ITEM C. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THEN JUST MOVING ON, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TODAY IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE SUBMISSION FOR OLIVE WOOD, IF YOU CAN PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF DESCENDANTS OF OLIVE WOOD. 
          I'M ALSO A DESCENDANT OF THOSE BURIED THERE AT OLIVE WOOD CEMETERY TO, WELL, THIS YEAR I CELEBRATE 20 YEARS. 
          MR. CHARLES COOK, WHO IS NOT WITH US AT THIS TIME, HE CELEBRATES 30 YEARS. 
          OLIVE WOOD IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF NOT ONLY BLACK HISTORY, BUT HOUSTON'S HISTORY, TEXAS HISTORY, AND AMERICA'S HISTORY. 
          AND SO I THANK YOU FOR TODAY CONSIDERING OLIVE WOOD AS A HISTORICAL, ANOTHER HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO AND FOR CONSIDERING OLIVE WOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANY OTHERS. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING IN THE CEMETERY FOR MANY YEARS AND IT'S QUITE A, QUITE A, IT'S QUITE A HISTORIC LOCATION AND, UM, MUCH OF, EVEN THE CEMETERY, I THINK EXTENDS INTO WHAT IS NOW THE BAYOU. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE A, UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGING, THEY'VE HAD CHALLENGING NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          UH, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HEMMED IN AND GETTING ACCESS JUST TO THE CEMETERY HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY EFFORTS TO, UM, TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE, THE FAMILIES OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH, MAKING MOTION. 
          THIS JUST COMMISSIONER DE RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU 
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MOTION MR. DE? BOTH. 
          I SECOND DATE DEBOSE DE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          FOUR FOUR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ARE THERE ANY AGAINST, ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM C, PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THREE OAKS. 
          MR. AND MRS. H ARCH RADLEY HOUSE AT 2 2 0 1 ALBANS ROAD, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          THIS IS STAFF MEMBER YASMIN ARSLAN. 
          I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AGENDA ITEM C FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE THREE OAKS, MS, MR. AND MRS. H ARCH SPRADLEY AT 20 20 22 0 1 ALBANS ROAD. 
          THE HENRY ARCHIBALD SPRADLEY HOUSE KNOWN AS THREE OAKS, WAS ONE OF THE EARLIEST HOMES BUILT ON ALBANS ROAD IN SOUTH HAMPTON IN 1929. 
          IT IS A RED BRICK TEODOR STYLE BUNGALOW, AN EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION. 
          SOUTH HAMPTON PLACE IS LOCATED NEAR RICE UNIVERSITY, THE MUSEUM DISTRICT AND THE TEXAS MEDICAL CENTER. 
          THE DEVELOPER, EH FLEMING, PURCHASED THE LAND IN 1922 AND DEVELOPMENT BEGAN IN 1923. 
          THREE OAKS IS A SINGLE STORY, RED AND BLACK BRICK VINEYARD, TEODOR STYLE HOUSE. 
          THAT IS AN EXCELLENT ORIGINAL CONDITION. 
          THE PROPERTY WAS NAMED THREE OAKS BY THE ORIGINAL OWNERS FOR THE THREE SPECIMEN LIVE OAK TREES THAT GRACE THE PROPERTY. 
          A PHOTO OF THE HOUSE DATING FROM NEARLY 50 YEARS AGO IN 1975 SHOWS THAT THE THREE TREES WERE ALREADY PROMINENT. 
          FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE HOME IS SITUATED BESIDE TWO OAKS LOCATED WITHIN THE EASTERN SIDE YARD AND ONE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          THE LARGE OAKS AND THEIR HORIZONTAL BRANCHES CREATE A SHADY CANOPY UNDER WHICH THE HOUSE IS SHIELDED FROM THE TEXAS SUN AS A AS, AS A TYPICAL OF ODOR STYLE HOUSES. 
          THE FACADE OF THREE OAKS IS ASYMMETRICALLY ARRANGED. 
          A LARGE ARCH SCREENED OPENING SPANS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          A DEEP SCREENED PORCH IS SITUATED AT THE FRONT EASTERN SIDE OF THE HELM. 
          THREE OAKS MEET CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA, ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON AND ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THIS DESIGNATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND WE HAVE EMILY AND ANDRA FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON WHO PREPARED THIS REPORT TO SPEAK ON, ON THIS ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I'M NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. 
          GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I, AGAIN, I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UM, WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON, EMILY HARWIN. 
          HI, UH, THIS IS EMILY WAN FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE NOMINATION. 
          UH, KATHLEEN NZO IN OUR OFFICE PREPARED THE REPORT, UM, BUT SHE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. 
          UM, WE DO THINK IT'S WORTHY OF PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND WE HOPE, UH, TO SEE AN, AN APPROVAL. 
          UM, ALSO, I HADN'T SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM B, UM, FOR ALL OF WOOD CEMETERY, BUT WE CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WORTHY OF PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND WE'RE GLAD TO SEE, UM, HHC VOTE FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC EITHER IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NOT HEARING ANY, ANYONE ELSE? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION COMM COMMISSIONER MCNEIL MAKES THE MOTION. 
          COSGROVE SECONDS. 
          COSGROVE SECONDS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ARE THERE ANY 
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AGAINST? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. 
          ITEM C PASSES. 
          NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM D PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE GOODMAN HOUSE AT 4 2 6 WESTMORELAND STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 4 0. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS CHARLES SADLER. 
          I'M PART OF THE STAFF TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM D, AN APPLICATION FOR THE PROTECTED DESIGNATION FOR THE GOODMAN HOUSE AT 4 2 6 WESTMORELAND STREET IN HISTORIC WESTMORELAND DISTRICT, THE GOODMAN HOUSE PROPERTY INCLUDED A TWO AND A HALF STORY FRAME AND CONCRETE BLOCK, FOUR BEDROOM RESIDENCE WITH A DETACHED GARAGE. 
          THE GOODMAN HOUSE AT 4 2 6 WESTMORELAND STREET IS SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURALLY AS A RARE EXAMPLE OF COLONIAL REVIVAL ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THE WESTMORELAND NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE GOODMAN HOUSE IS ONE OF THE ONLY COLONIAL REVIVAL HOUSES IN WESTMORELAND. 
          THE HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANT AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE WESTMORELAND NEIGHBORHOOD AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WHICH PIONEERED THE PRIVATE SPACE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN IN TEXAS. 
          THE GOODMAN HOUSE HAS A HIGH DEGREE OF HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. 
          THE HOUSE RETAINS ITS INTEGRITY OF LOCATION ASSOCIATION AND SETTING AS IT REMAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION AMID ITS ORIGINAL NEIGHBORS. 
          THE DWELLING ALSO RETAINS HIGH INTEGRITY OF MATERIALS DESIGN AND WORKMANSHIP. 
          THE 1994 NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION REFERS TO THE PROPERTY AS AN AMERICAN FOUR SQUARE STYLE WITH COLONIAL REVIVAL ELEMENTS. 
          NEW APPROACHES TO ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY HAS RELEGATED THE AMERICAN FOUR SQUARE TO A FORM OR SHAPE OF BUILDING RATHER THAN ITS OWN STYLE OF RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE FRAME HOUSE RESTS ON A POST AND BEAM FOUNDATION AND HAS A LARGELY SQUARE FOOTPRINT CLAD IN HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING. 
          THE RESIDENCE IS CAPPED WITH A SIDE GABLE ROOF SHEATHED WITH COMPOSITE SHINGLES. 
          THE GOODMAN HOUSE IS ELIGIBLE AS A CITY OF HOUSTON PROTECTED LANDMARK UNDER LANDMARK CRITERIA 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, AND NINE. 
          AND PROTECTED LANDMARK CRITERIA ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND A CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE GOODMAN HOUSE AT 4 2 6 WESTMORELAND STREET. 
          WE HAVE HANNAH CURRY FROM SWCA WHO PREPARED THIS REPORT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? JUST SIMPLE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          YAP. 
          IS THIS HOUSE ALREADY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? OKAY, JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT. 
          UH, YES IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ACTUALLY JUST THE, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO IT IS A PROTECTED LANDMARK, I BELIEVE ALSO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AS, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UH, HANNAH CURRY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MY NAME IS HANNAH CURRY. 
          I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN WITH SWCA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS. 
          I'M ONE OF THE CO-AUTHORS ON THIS REPORT. 
          I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT. 
          I RECOGNIZE IT MIGHT SEEM A TAD REDUNDANT TO ALSO DESIGNATE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK. 
          HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, UH, IS REALLY INTERESTED IN ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF PROTECTION TO HIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO APPLIED FOR A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK APPLICATION FOR THIS YEAR'S CYCLE. 
          UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT A TYPO ON THE AGENDA. 
          IT IS ACTUALLY IN 7 7 0 0 6. 
          OKAY. 
          7 7 0 4 0 IS THE ZIP CODE FOR MY OFFICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NOT HEARING. 
          I'M GOING TO, UH, ANYONE ELSE? I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, FOR ITEM D COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE, UM, 
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WOULD SOMEONE BRING A MOTION FOR THIS PROJECT? AS MENTIONED AT AREA CODE 7 7 0 0 6, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER COUCH MAKES A MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND MOTION? BOTH. 
          SECOND. 
          WELL, YOU FLIP A COIN, BUT WHAT, UH, THE BOWS WILL SECOND. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT, PLEASE. 
          IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, THE LAST SENTENCE, IT SAYS, PRIVATE SPACE, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK IT'S PRIVATE PLACE, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S THE TERM. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE NOT SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE NO OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE THERE, UM, IS THERE A, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTIONS? AYE. 
          AYE FOR AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT ITEM PASSES AND I'M MOVING ON TO ITEM E, CONSIDERATION ALL OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT. 
          AGENDA ROMAN. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, STAFF WILL REC RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION. 
          ITEM 2 7 1 7 ARLINGTON STREET, ALTERATION EDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS 9 0 4. 
          ITEM NUMBER 3 9 0 4 ARLINGTON STREET, ALTERATION SIDING, WINDOWS HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF C OF A AND ISSUANCE OF A C OF R WITH CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM 4 4 1 0 4 GREELEY STREET AND ALTERATION, SIDING, PORCH, BALCONY, AND ROOF. 
          FIRST MONTROSE COL COMMONS RECOMMENDATION IS OF DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION WITH CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM SIX AT 1131 EAST 11TH STREET IS AN ALTERATION OF SIDING IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF SEE A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION WITH CONDITIONS. 
          AND ITEM 9 5 27 FRAZIER ALTERATION, ADDITION, WINDOWS, PORCH, AND FREELAND FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          DENIAL, ADDITION SEAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION WITH CONDITIONS. 
          YES. 
          ITEM TEN SIX ELEVEN WEST 22ND STREET, ALTERATION DOORS AND WINDOWS OF THE LANDMARKED ORIENTAL TEXTILE MILL. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THE ITEM 11 AT 2012 WEST GRAY STREET, ALTERATION SIGN OF THE LANDMARKED RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM 13 1 22 EAST EAST, 31ST AND HALF STREET. 
          NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN STARK WEATHER. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          AND ITEM 14, 1 24 EAST 31ST AND HALF STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND STARK WEATHER. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE PRECEDING ITEMS FOR CLARITY. 
          ITEM E FIVE WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. 
          ITEM E EIGHT WAS DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          AND STAFF IS ASKING THAT ITEMS ONE, SEVEN AND 12 BE INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDERED. 
          I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU ROMAN COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND OR ANY ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PULL TO BE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS LIST? CAN WE PULL ITEM SIX, PLEASE? UH, YAP. 
          WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE 
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PUBLIC DISCUSSION. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, THIS ITEM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER E FOUR STEVEN LONGMEYER. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE COME TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THESE ITEMS AND YOU, UM, ARE AGAINST THE, UM, MOTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OR THIS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, THAT PLEASE, UH, ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, THE COMMISSION CHAIR TO REVIEW THESE INDIVIDUALLY. 
          DR. 
          LONGMEYER IS HERE TODAY, BUT IF, UH, BY A NOD, MAYBE HE COULD CONFIRM THAT HE'S IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, MR. CHAIR, MAY I, MAY WE REQUEST THAT ITEM E EIGHT REQUESTED TO BE DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE CONSENT VOTE THAT THE COMMISSION WILL GRANT THAT REQUEST FOR DEFERRAL FOR ITEM E EIGHT. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND E AND ITEM FIVE WILL SIMPLY NOT BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN. 
          SO I HAVE ITEMS 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, AND 14 THAT REMAIN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND SO, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS REVISED LIST FOR CONSENT AND APPROVAL? UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF CHAIR MR. CURRY, UH, DID YOU MENTION, UH, 12, ITEM 12 IS BEING ON THIS, UH, LIST OR NOT? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ROMAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM 12 IS NO LONGER ON THE CONSENT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REVISED LIST? COSGROVE MAKES THE MOTION TO ACCEPT. 
          COSGROVE MAKES THE MOTION. 
          JONES WILL SECOND MR. JONES MAKES IS SECONDING THE MOTION. 
          GO WITH THE DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ARE THERE ANY AGAINST? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM E 1 1 1 1 3 2 LANE STREET. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          THIS IS STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN. 
          I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AGENDA ITEM E ONE AT 11 13 2 LANE STREET IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST. 
          THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A 1024 SQUARE FEET, ONE SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A LATER TWO STORY ADDITION IN THE REAR ON A 8,800 SQUARE FEET INTERIOR LOT. 
          THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING HIP BUNGALOW RESIDENCE. 
          ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE LATER ADDITIONS DUE TO ITS DETERIORATED CONDITION. 
          STAFF HAS NO RECOMMENDATION AS STAFF, UM, WASN'T ABLE TO AGREE ON, ON A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, THE REPORT HAS THE STRUCTURAL REPORT FROM THE, UM, APPLICANT WITH INSPECTION WITH A TERMITE INSPECTION REPORT, UM, AND OTHER MATERIAL. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WE WENT ON MULTIPLE SITE VISITS. 
          I WANNA SAY EITHER FOUR OR FIVE. 
          SO THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN, UM, LOOKED AT, UM, IN DETAIL. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, COSGROVE AND YAP HAS BEEN, UM, HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO COME WITH US ON TWO SITE VISITS. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR STRUCTURAL SENIOR IN INSPECTOR PETE, UM, WHO ALSO WENT ON MULTIPLE SITE VISITS WITH US. 
          UM, AND HE IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK THE, WE HAVE, UM, THE OWNER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ALONG WITH OUR, UM, INSPECTOR AND I, AND WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSAL FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
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OKAY. 
          I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. 
          UM, AND THE FIRST ON THE LIST THAT HAS SIGNED UP IS, UM, PETE STOCKTON, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, I WROTE DOWN SOME NOTES HERE. 
          UH, ON MAY 26TH, I MET, UH, THE BUILDER AND THE PRESERVATION OFFICER ON SITE, UH, WALKING UP TO THE BUILDING. 
          I, I COULD TELL THAT THE HOUSE WAS SITTING PRETTY LOW TO THE GROUND. 
          UH, THERE WAS, UH, WOOD TO GROUND CONTACT IN SEVERAL PLACES. 
          UH, THERE WAS A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION THAT WAS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. 
          THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF WATER INTRUSION IN AND AROUND THE ADDITION. 
          UH, IT ENCROACHED ON THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT WAS HARD TO TELL. 
          UH, THERE WAS AN EXPOSED AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, OF THE HOUSE BY THE FIREPLACE IN CHIMNEY. 
          WE HAD A PICTURE OF IT, UH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE THAT, UH, THAT WAS PRETTY ROUGH. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SILL IS CRUMBLY AND THE, UH, THE WOOD SITTING ON TOP OF THE SILLS IN BAD CONDITION. 
          THERE'S A, A JOIST. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE END OF THAT'S ALSO STARTED TO ROT. 
          UM, THERE WAS ONE, ONE PART OF THE HOUSE WHERE THERE WAS NO SILL. 
          I COULDN'T EXACTLY FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WERE KEEPING THAT WALL UP IN THE AIR, BUT, UH, UH, WE WENT INSIDE THE, UH, THE FLOORS WERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D EXPECT IN A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE. 
          IT HADN'T BEEN SHIMMED AND LEVELED. 
          SO, UH, UH, SOME OF THOSE JOISTS WERE DEFINITELY CROWNED. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE SHIPLAP, UH, WAS COMPLETELY GONE IN SOME SECTIONS JUST FROM TERMITE DAMAGE. 
          SO THE HOUSE WAS, IT'S BEEN LIVED IN . 
          ANY QUESTIONS, BISHOP, MR. MEMBERS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETE ON THIS ITEM? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. COUCH? SO GIVEN ALL THAT, DO YOU THINK IT'S REALISTIC TO TRY TO SALVAGE THE HOUSE? WELL, UH, LET, LET ME ANSWER THAT BY SAYING THAT, UH, THE DEMO PART OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE'S TWO CONDITIONS YOU CAN MEET. 
          UH, ONE IS UNUSUAL AND COMPELLING CIRCUMSTANCE, AND THE OTHER ONE IS FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. 
          AND BOTH OF THOSE HAVE THE WORD REASONABLE IN THEM. 
          AND, UH, I'M NOT THE ONE TO REALLY DECIDE WHAT'S REASONABLE THAT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, UH, ARE SITTING UP THERE ARE THE ONES TO DETERMINE WHAT REASONABLE MEANS. 
          WELL, THAT'S KIND OF HARD IF WE HAVEN'T ALL BEEN TO THE HOUSE. 
          SO WE'RE RELYING ON INFORMATION. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          I MEAN, I'M TELLING YOU MY OBSERVATIONS AND THERE'S MORE INFORMATION FROM AN ENGINEER IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UH, THERE'S, UH, TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WERE THERE WHO CAN ALSO SPEAK TO IT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S THE APPLICANT. 
          SO WHY DON'T I GET OUTTA THE WAY AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE TALK CHAIR  THE QUESTION, PLEASE CURRY MR. STOCKTON. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT'S IRREPARABLE. 
          WW WELL, YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING, RIGHT? Y YOU KNOW, UH, YOU CAN REPLACE AN ENTIRE BUILDING BOARD FOR BOARD. 
          RIGHT? AND IT'S FIXED. 
          THAT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT. 
          YES. 
          NOT A REPAIR. 
          WELL, IN ORDER TO REPAIR SOME THINGS, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE SOME MEMBERS GRANTED. 
          AND, AND THE DEGREE THAT, UH, THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UH, REALLY I THINK IS, UH, A FUNCTION OF WHAT'S REASONABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, QUICK QUESTION. 
          JUST WHEN WE WERE AT THE SITE VISIT, WE SPOKE ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION FOR DEMOLITION, INCLUDING THE THREE ON YALE. 
          AND JUST IF YOU COULD JUST, SO SAY WHAT YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE SITE VISIT AND HOW THIS RELATES TO THOSE PROPERTIES IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL CONDITION. 
          I MEAN, JUST Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WERE THREE, UH, THREE HOUSES, UH, IN A ROW ON, ON 
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YALE. 
          UH, ONE OF THEM HAD A REALLY BAD ADDITION THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS FALLING DOWN WHEN THAT CAME OFF. 
          YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE HOUSE WAS BASICALLY STRAIGHT. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE HAD JUST LOTS OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUES. 
          THERE WERE BUILDING MATERIALS STACKED UP AROUND IT WHERE SOMEBODY LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD INTENDED TO FIX SOMETHING AND OBVIOUSLY NEVER DID. 
          UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT ONE WAS, UH, MORE SOUND THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          UH, AND THE THIRD ONE HAD EXPERIENCED A FIRE. 
          AND EVEN WITH THE FIRE, UH, THE FOUNDATION WAS GOOD, THE WALLS WERE GOOD. 
          UH, SOME OF THE SHIPLAP WAS CHARRED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO REPLACE THE SHIPLAP ON THE CEILING, BUT, UM, THOSE, I GUESS YOU'D SAY HAVE GOOD BONES. 
          AND DOES THIS HOUSE HAVE GOOD BONES? IN MY OPINION? UH, UH, OH, HOW ABOUT IN MY OBSERVATION, THERE ARE, UH, MAJOR STRUCTURAL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          PETE, CAN YOU, UM, ROUGHLY ASSESS A PER PERCENTAGE OF, OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE HOME? WHAT, WHAT THE, FROM WHAT YOU COULD TELL, WHAT THE GENERAL PERCENTAGE WOULD BE ROUGHLY OF WHAT'S NOT CURRENTLY? UM, WELL, IT SORT OF DEPENDS ON WHAT WE THINK IS REASONABLE TO FIX, RIGHT? LIKE, UH, IT, THE FOUNDATION, IT HAD FAILED THE FOUNDATION, THE BLOCKS, THE SILLS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE, THE JOISTS WERE SALVAGEABLE, YOU KNOW, BUT I COULD TELL THAT THEY WERE CROWNED. 
          UM, A LOT OF THE ROOF WAS DETERIORATED. 
          UH, THE RIDGES AND THE HIPS HAD DEFLECTION. 
          YOU COULD SEE THEY WERE SORT OF BELIED OUT. 
          UH, SOME OF THE LONGER RAFTERS WERE ALSO BELIED OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY HAD DONE THEIR JOB FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT THEY'VE DEFLECTED SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PETE? THANK YOU, PETE. 
          UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP. 
          UM, MR. UF HOLI CLOSE? YES. 
          , COULD YOU RE, COULD YOU, UH, SURE. 
          ENLIGHTEN ME. 
          NAME IS, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MADAM SPEAKER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS RAFFI HALLEE. 
          THIS IS MY PARTNER AND WIFE ANGELA HALLEE. 
          WE ARE THE BUILDERS HONEYCOMB CONTRACTING, AND WE'RE ALSO REPRESENTING THE INVESTOR TODAY. 
          1, 1 1 3 2 LANE WOULD BE THE FIFTH HOME THAT WE WORK ON IN HISTORIC HEIGHTS. 
          THE INVESTOR NEVER HAD THE NEED. 
          IS THIS ON? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          THE INVESTOR NEVER HAD THE NEED TO APPLY FOR A DEMO PERMIT EVER BEFORE, IN FACT, AND TO PROVE THE GOODWILL ON OUR PART TODAY, THE VERY FIRST PROPERTY WE WERE COMMISSIONED TO WORK ON WAS LOCATED ON 5 1 7 HARVARD STREET, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED NON-CONTRIBUTING, WHICH MEANT WE COULD HAVE TORN IT DOWN AND BUILT A TOTALLY NEW HOME. 
          HOWEVER, THE HOME HAD GOOD STRAIGHT BONES AND THE FOUNDATION WAS SOUND ENOUGH AS WELL AS THE SUPERSTRUCTURE TO VALIDATE, PRESERVING IT. 
          YES, IT COST THE INVESTOR MORE TO KEEP AND EXPAND ON, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY WORTH THE EXTRA INVESTMENT FINANCIALLY. 
          WE ALWAYS KEEP TWO THINGS IN MIND IN HISTORIC HEIGHTS. 
          ONE, WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC HOME, AND TWO, AND THE VERY IMPORTANT FACTORS. 
          NUMBER TWO, ANY HOME THAT IS WORTH $1.3 MILLION OR MORE WOULD WANT ANYONE BUYING A HOME THAT IS WORTH $1.3 MILLION OR MORE WOULD WANT STRAIGHT SOLID FOUNDATIONS AS WELL AS WALLS. 
          AND 5 1 7 HAD ALL OF THIS. 
          WE DID NOT OPT TO DEMO IT, BUT WE KEPT IT AND WE KEPT EVERY HOUSE AFTER THAT BUNGALOW STAYS FOUNDATION REPAIRED WHERE NEEDED, WHERE WALLS REPAIRED, WHERE NEEDED, AND SOME EXPANDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THE MODERN FAMILY. 
          ALL THE WHILE, WHILE DOING SO UNDER THE REGULATION OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THAT OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON WITH AN APPROVED C OF A AND A CITY PERMIT. 
          HOWEVER, 1 1 3, 2 
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LANE PAINTED A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE. 
          THE INVESTOR PURCHASED THE PROPERTY KNOWING THE REGULATIONS, SUPPORTED A DEMO, BUT HAD TO GO THROUGH A COMMISSION MEETING IN ORDER TO GET APPROVED FOLLOWING THE PURCHASE. 
          AND YASIN TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT DIDN'T GO INTO MUCH DETAIL. 
          A FULL DETAILED 32 PAGE INSPECTION REPORT BY HEDERMAN ENGINEERING CONCLUDED, AND I QUOTE, THE HOUSE WAS IN VERY POOR AND ESSENTIALLY IN TEAR DOWN CONDITION WITH SEVERE DAMAGE ON BEANS UNDER THE HOUSE, WATER DAMAGE DUE TO SEVERE ROOF LEAKS, THE WALLS BEING RACKED OUT OF PLUM SAGGING FRAMING, MEMBERS ROTTED FRAMING MEMBERS DAMAGED FROM WOOD DESTROYING INSECTS AND ROTTED ROOF DECK. 
          IT IS POINTED OUT THAT THE HOUSE IS NOT SAFE TO INHABIT IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION. 
          FURTHERMORE, PARKWAY PEST CONTROL CONDUCTED A THOROUGH TERMITE INSPECTION AND DETERMINED THAT, AND I QUOTE, FRAMING, SUBFLOORING AND SIDING IS TOO INFESTED WITH ACTIVE DRY WOOD TERMITES TO ACHIEVE CONTROL. 
          BOTH THESE FINDINGS ARE VERY MUCH ALIGNED WITH THE OBSERVATIONS OF MR. PETE STOCKTON, WHO YOU JUST HEARD. 
          TIME MOTION AGAIN, THE SPEAKER. 
          MORE TIME. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          FOUR. 
          ANY AGAINST ANY I'M SORRY. 
          I, ANY, ANY ABSTENTIONS, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          IT'S JUST THANK YOU. 
          I I DIDN'T REALIZE I HAD, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR FORMALITY. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BOTH OF THESE FINDINGS ARE VERY MUCH ALIGNED, UM, BY MR. PETE STOCKTON, THE HEAD OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING AT CITY OF HOUSTON WITH MORE THAN 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO ALSO CONDUCTED NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT THREE SITE VISITS. 
          WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          MR. PETE. 
          MR. TOTON, MR. STOCKTON MAYBE TOUCHED ON, AND I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS THE 50% RULE AND WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 
          THAT IS CALLED THE CITY OF HOUSTON CODE WORD 2 0 1 2 DASH B 49. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, MAYBE SHOW OF HANDS OF WHOEVER DOES KNOW ABOUT THIS CODE. 
          I AM SORRY. 
          I WOULD READ IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE COPIES HERE IF YOU GUYS WANT THEM. 
          I BROUGHT ENOUGH COPIES. 
          WE CAN PASS THEM AROUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S INCLUDED IN THE FINAL REPORT, BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO YES, I'M THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AWARE THAT IT'S IN THE REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU CAN PASS 'EM TO STAFF AND THEY WILL PASS THEM AROUND. 
          THIS, THIS DOCUMENT WAS HANDED TO MR. ROMAN AND MRS. YASMINE BY MR. PETE STOCKTON JUST BEFORE OUR SECOND MEETING ON SITE. 
          FURTHERMORE, COPIES WERE HANDED TO THE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE THERE AS WELL. 
          MR. DOMINIC KAPP AND MR. JOHN COSGROVE, WHO WERE KIND ENOUGH TO COME OUT, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE. 
          AND WE THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN SO MUCH BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE NORM. 
          ON THE FIRST MEETING, COMMISSIONER YAP REQUESTED WE TAKE OUT ALL EXTERIOR SIDING TO SHOW THE DRIP LINE, JUST, SORRY, ALL EXTERIOR SIDING BELOW THE DRIP LINE, AS WELL AS ALL INTERIOR DRYWALL. 
          HE WANTED TO, HE WANTED THE HOUSE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF. 
          FURTHERMORE, HE WANTED TO SEE THE TOP PLATE AT SEVERAL AREAS ON THE INSIDE. 
          WE DID THAT IN PREPARATION FOR THE SECOND MEETING. 
          ON THE SECOND MEETING, MR. STOCKTON EXPLAINED THE CITY CODE 2 0 1 2, WHICH IS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WAS SET IN PLACE TO HELP PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS, WHERE IT REALLY COMES UP TO WHAT PEOPLE THINK COULD BE DONE. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU A MINUTE OR TWO TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I CAN ALSO JUST, UM, VERY BRIEFLY STATE ONE OF THE LINES IN THERE, WHICH IS A SORT OF A CONCLUSION. 
          ANY PROPERTY WITH EXTERIOR WALLS THAT RESULT IN ELIMINATION REMOVAL OR DISASSEMBLY OF 50% OR MORE OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE DEEMED A SUBSTANTIAL REMODEL AND THEREFORE ABLE TO OBTAIN A DEMO PERMIT. 
          HOWEVER, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE REGULATIONS STATE THAT ALTERATION, MEANING IF WE ALTER CHANGE OR FIX A SECTION, IT WILL NO LONGER BE DEEMED HISTORIC. 
          THE REPORT BY HEIMAN, AS WELL AS THE FINDINGS YOU JUST HEARD FROM MR. TALKIN, SHOW CLEARLY THAT THIS BUILDING IS IN NEED OF REPAIR BEYOND 50% TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          AND WE JUST HEARD MR. STOCKTON STATE HIS OPINION. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION, AS YOU STATED, ALSO NEEDS ALTERATION AND RE AND REPLACEMENT, THE ENTIRE NORTH WALL NEEDS REPLACEMENT. 
          THE INTERIOR CEILING SHOWING EXTENSIVE WARPING AND WATER DAMAGE IN NEED OF ALTERATION 
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THE ENTIRE ROOF, WHICH HAS BEEN OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS FOR DECADES, NEEDS COMPLETE REPLACEMENT. 
          THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ADDITIONS ARE FAR BEYOND SAVING. 
          AND ALL PARTIES AGREE TO THIS. 
          I THINK ANYONE CAN DETERMINE THAT IT'S BEYOND 50%. 
          THIS CODE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HISTORIC AND NON HISTORIC HOMES. 
          IT MERELY STATES REGULATIONS TO BE ABIDED BY FOR ALL PROPERTIES. 
          WE CANNOT ACCEPT DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS BASED ON PERSONAL OBJECTIVES OR AGENDAS. 
          RULES ARE RULES. 
          THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION AS A BUILDER, WE HAD TO WAIT TWO MONTHS FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE WE GOT APPROVAL ON 4 1 5 WEST 15TH STREET. 
          THE STORY THERE WAS WE PRESENTED PLANS FOR A HOME THAT WAS, THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE HISTORIC TEAM, WHERE WE FOLLOWED ALL RULES AND REGULATIONS IN DESIGNING THE PROPERTY. 
          HOWEVER, DURING THE MEETING HERE, COMMISSIONERS OF THE BOARD DECIDED THEY NO LONGER WANTED TO ACCEPT LARGE PATIOS AS THEY LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE A BEACH HOUSE AND WANTED THE REGULATIONS TO BE AMENDED SO THAT PATIOS ARE NOW PART OF THE CONDITIONED SPACE. 
          WE GLADLY ABIDED AND HAD TO WAIT TWO MONTHS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          THE INVESTOR AS WELL AS WE AS BUILDERS, HAD LOST TIME AND MONEY FOR A PERIOD OF AT LEAST SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO WORK ON THE PROPERTY AFTER APPROVAL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET A CITY PERMIT AND THAT TAKES THREE MONTHS. 
          WHO PAYS THE PRICE ON THAT? DO WE SEND THE CITY THE BILL? I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S NOT ANY FAULT OF OUR OWN. 
          BY FOLLOWING THE RULES, WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO PRESERVE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND CLEARLY PROVEN BY THE HOME WE KEPT ON 5 1 7. 
          BUT SOME HOMES ARE SO BEYOND SAVING AND HAVE ENDURED DECADES OF NEG NEGLECT THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE THAT CAN BE DONE WHILE STILL MAKING SENSE FINANCIALLY. 
          AND WE DID NOT TOUCH ON THE FINANCIAL PART, WE KIND OF SKIMMED OVER IT. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CURRY HAD, UH, ASKED THAT QUESTION. 
          YES, WE CAN REPLACE THE FOUNDATION, THE WALLS, THE CEILINGS, THE ROOF, BUT FINANCIALLY IT WOULD NO LONGER BE VIABLE. 
          THE COST OF SUCH AN ENDEAVOR WOULD BRING THIS 1000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY TO A VALUE OF OVER $1 MILLION, MAKING IT UNSELLABLE AND WORTH DOUBLE THE MARKET VALUE, WHICH CURRENTLY STANDS AT $500 A SQUARE FOOT IN THE AREA. 
          IF GRANTED A DEMO PERMIT. 
          WE INTEND ON BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND WE SPENT MONEY AND TIME WITH THE ARCHITECT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE INTEND ON DOING SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE HAVE DONE IN THE PREVIOUS FOUR BUILDS. 
          THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND ALL GUIDELINES WILL BE FOLLOWED TO SATISFY THE LAW AS WELL AS THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT ALL WINDOWS DO WORTH SAVING WILL BE DONATED TO THE FOUNDATION CHOSEN BY THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. 
          IN CONCLUSION, WE URGE THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION IN GRANTING THE DEMO PERMIT BASED ON FACTS WE HAVE SHOWN TODAY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT AT LEAST 50% IS IN NEED OF REPAIR AND OR ALTERATION. 
          FURTHERMORE, PLEASE DON'T FORGET THAT THE VERY ACT OF FIXING OR REPLACING ROTTEN MEMBERS DEEMS THAT SECTION NO LONGER HISTORIC. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO, UH, PRESENT THIS, BUT I FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO PAINT THE FULL PICTURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BOTH EITHER IN THE ROOM OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          IF SO, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF. 
          PLEASE IF YOU'LL APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND, AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME. 
          HI, I'LL BE SPEAKING AGAIN IN A MOMENT. 
          MY NAME IS JAN DE GREER AND I LIVE AT THE AGNO HOME OF 1802 HARVARD STREET. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS SPECIFIC HOME ON TULANE, BUT I HAVE LIVED IN THE HEIGHTS FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, I HAVE AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, AND IT IS ABOUT THE WORD REASONABLENESS. 
          MANY PEOPLE TOO CHOOSE TO BUY HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH THE INTENTION OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR KNOCKING THEM DOWN AND BUILDING NEW. 
          AND WE, UM, WE'VE CREATED HISTORICAL GUIDELINES TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THAT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY IS A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WHO WE ARE. 
          I HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY NECESSARILY ABOUT THE HOME THEY CHOOSE TO BUILD, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION 
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ABOUT REASONABLENESS FOR THEM AND FOR THEIR INVESTOR. 
          WE HAVE, OVER THE YEARS, NOTICED SEVERAL PEOPLE CHOOSING TO SIT ON HOMES, ALLOWING THEM TO DEGRADE FURTHER AND FURTHER. 
          WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, I NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION. 
          THIS HOME AND THE PRIOR HOME, WHICH WAS ALSO A HOME IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS IN PROTECTED OF DOING ANYTHING BUT PRACTICE GOOD FAITH. 
          MY HOME, IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE BOARD AND BRICK HAS WELL, EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE BRICKS, UNFORTUNATELY, IS EFFECTIVELY A NEW HOME BY THE PERSONS BEHIND ME STANDARDS. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN 1892 AND WE HAVE HAD TERMITES, WE HAVE HAD WATER DAMAGE, AND I PROMISE YOU MY VALUATION OF MY HOME IS VERY HIGH. 
          ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOT A STRAIGHT WALL OR A STRAIGHT FLOOR IN THE DARN PLACE, MY KIDS CANNOT PLAY MARBLES. 
          AND THAT BENEFITS ME, BUT NOT THEM. 
          SO THERE IS CONSIDERATION TO BE GAINED. 
          I THINK ONE OF THEM WOULD BE A GOOD FAITH CLAUSE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT THEIR INVESTMENT INTENTIONS WERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOME AND HOW THEY TREATED IT FROM THAT POINT UNTIL NOW. 
          WE HAD SEVERAL OVER IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS WHERE PEOPLE DID BUY THEM PURPOSEFULLY CHOSE TO LET THEM DILAPIDATED, ONLY TO REAPPEAR HERE AGAIN AND ASK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEMOLISH TIME. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          UM, IS THERE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, UM, COMMISSIONER YAP OR COMMISSIONER COSGROVE SINCE YOU DID, DID MAKE, I, I KNOW THAT YOU, SINCE YOU, YOU MADE VARIOUS VISITS AND I THINK YOUR INSIGHT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IN THIS DISCUSSION. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO, UH, I MADE TWO, UH, VISITS TO THE SITE AND ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY ALMOST WENT UNDER THE HOUSE AS WELL AS, SO I ALSO WENT INTO THE ATTIC, UH, AND, UH, TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE HOUSE. 
          UH, AS IS, WHAT I DO NOT SEE IN THIS PACKAGE IS ACTUALLY JUST THE, THE DRAWING OF THE HOUSE AS OF TODAY. 
          UH, I DO HAVE THE SANDBORNE MAP, WHICH IS A VERY SIMPLE SQUARE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          UH, BUT THAT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, AT LEAST TWO ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE. 
          UH, I WILL LET THE, THE DISCUSSION OF THIS 50% PLAY OUT IN ITSELF DOWN HERE. 
          BUT, UH, THESE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS, OBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS, UH, THE SECONDARY EDITION AND THE THIRD TERTIARY EDITION, THEY ARE VERY POORLY BUILT, NOT LIKE THEIR PRIMARY HOUSE, ORIGINAL PRIMARY HOUSE, AND THEY NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          IN ADDITION, WHOEVER OWNED THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY ALSO BUILT OUT THE ATTIC OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          SO BY AND LARGE, ALL THE, UH, ALL THE RAFTERS HAVE BEEN CUT, OBVIOUSLY TO MAKE SPACE FOR A LIVING SPACE. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY ALSO BUILT THE DORMER IN THE FRONT VIEW. 
          IF YOU CAN SEE THE DORMER, UH, THOSE ARE ALL ADDITIONS, IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, THE, UM, SO THO THOSE WERE WHAT I OBSERVED. 
          NOW, LET ME EX SAY FROM THE GROUND, AFTER THE FIRST VISIT, I REQUESTED, UH, THE, THE BUILDER, I GUESS, TO REMOVE EVERY SINGLE SHEET ROCK IN THE HOUSE INSIDE, AND THE ONLY IN THE PRIMARY HOUSE, AS WELL AS ALL THE, UH, BASICALLY SKIRT BOUGHT. 
          IF YOU CAN GO TO PICTURE NINE, NINE OF, UH, 18, I, I REQUESTED THE, ALL THE, UH, SKIRT BOARD TO BE REMOVED UP TO THE WATER TABLE BECAUSE IF THE HOUSE WAS TO BE RESTORED, YOU WOULD NEED TO REMOVE THE SKIRT BOARD ANYWAY TO REPLACE THE SEAL BEAM. 
          SO I WASN'T DEF IT WASN'T SO MUCH OF DESTROYING HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT WAS NECESSARY, EVEN IF I HAD TO RESTORE THE HOUSE EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO, UH, BASED ON MY OBSERVATION, THE SEAL BEAMS, I WOULD SAY 25% TO 30% NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          PERIMETER SEAL BEAMS, UH, IN THE, THE INTERMEDIATE BEAMS UNDER THE HOUSE, THEY WERE ALL IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE PICTURES YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE FOR YOURSELVES, UH, IN, UM, I'M GONNA BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOUNDATION, THE UN, THE, THE, UH, PICTURES THAT ARE UNDER THE HOUSE. 
          SO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO PAINT, UH, UH, A VERY FAIR PICTURE TOWARDS THE HOUSE. 
          UH, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES ON PAGE 17 
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OF 31 OF THE ENGINEERING REPORT AND 18 OF 31 OF THE ENGINEER RULING REPORT, UH, ALMOST I WOULD SAY 80% OF THE, UH, FOUR JOISTS ARE IN ACTUALLY GOOD SHAPE. 
          UH, ONLY THE VERY AGES BECAUSE THEY WERE STUCK TO THE, THE, THE SKIRT BOARD, WHICH IS NORMAL. 
          UH, I'M, AND I'M TALKING ONLY OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          I, I'M, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ADDITION, WHICH IS A, THAT HAS TO BE A DEMO. 
          AND THEY WERE IN GOOD SHAPE, 80 TO 90%. 
          THE FLOORS, THE ORIGINAL FLOORS ARE IN, IN MY OPINION, AFTER ABOUT 30 HOUSES THAT I'VE DONE, THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          THE FLOORS, ORIGINAL FLOORS, THREE OF THE FOUR WALLS ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE A GOOD, GOOD, UH, STUD CONTACT TO, UH, TO THE, UH, UH, BOTTOM PLATE. 
          AND THEN AS WELL AS, AS I REQUESTED THE, THE BUILDER TO REMOVE TWO PIECES OF THE SHIPLAP ON IN THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, I CAN SEE THAT THE STUDS, UH, ARE STILL IN GOOD CONTACT WITH THE TOP PLATES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY ARE MY DAMAGE, BUT THEY ARE AROUND THE WINDOWS, SO ON. 
          BUT THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURALLY DEFOR. 
          AFTER ALL, THEY WILL BE, AFTER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, ANY HOUSE WOULD HAVE DRY WOOD TERMITE DAMAGE. 
          UH, SO AFTER FOUR WALLS, THREE OF THEM ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, INCLUDING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT NEEDS A REBUILD, I WOULD SAY IS THE ONE WITH THE CHIMNEY. 
          IF WE GO BACK TO THE CHIMNEY, UH, PICTURE THE, THE SEAL BEAMS ACTUALLY LAPPED ONTO THE CHIMNEY, OKAY? THE SEAL BEAMS FROM BOTH SIDES ACTUALLY LAPPED INTO THE CHIMNEY, BUT THE CHIMNEY RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY HIGHLY DEGRADED AND THERE IS NO MORE CHIMNEY STACK ANYMORE. 
          IT'S JUST HIDDEN AND IS FALLING APART AND IS, UH, DISINTEGRATING. 
          SO, AND THAT WALL TO, TO BE FAIR, AS I, AS I WOULD WISH TO REPORT ON THIS OBJECTIVELY, THIS WALL DOES NOT HAVE STUDS. 
          IT HAS A SHIPLAP THAT HAS BEEN HUNG VERTICALLY TO ACT AS STUDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIREPLACE, AS OF ALL, OR THE, NOT EVEN A FIREPLACE AS A CHIMNEY OF ALL. 
          SO THIS WALL NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, OBVIOUSLY. 
          THE, THE, THE STRUCTURAL RECOMMENDATION HERE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE CHIMNEY STACK, WHATEVER THE BRICKS ARE, PUT A NEW SEAL BEAM IN THERE, AND THEN NOW NAIL STUDS AS YOU WOULD, UH, UH, AND THEN, UH, UH, THAT WILL, THAT WILL BASICALLY RESTORE THIS WHOLE AREA. 
          THE KEY THINGS THAT I NOTICED THAT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE ARE STILL THE SIDING. 
          THE SIDING IS RELATIVELY UNIQUE TO THIS AREA INTO THE, INTO THE, INTO THE HEIGHTS BECAUSE OF HIS MOVEMENTS LOOK LIKE TO ME. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME FOR IT, BUT LOOKED LIKE ROOF SHINGLES, KIND OF A SIDING. 
          YEAH, OKAY. 
          IN THE ATTIC. 
          SO LET ME SAY THE WALLS, THREE OR FOUR OF THEM ARE GOOD AND GOOD IN TERMS OF A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE, NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE CEILING, UH, THAT I HAD CRAWLED INTO, UH, BESIDES ALL THE LITTLE SPACE THAT I COULD, THE CEILING JOISTS WERE ACTUALLY IN GOOD SHAPE AND THEY WERE ALL IN FULL GAUGE. 
          THERE WERE NOT THINGS THAT WERE STANDARD DOWN, LIKE TODAY'S STANDARD. 
          THEY WERE ALL, ALL HISTORIC LUMBER THAT WERE IN FULL GAUGE. 
          SO THE CEILING JOISTS WAS IN GREAT SHAPE. 
          THE ONLY PART THAT WAS SHOWING BOWING WAS THE ONE THAT HAD WATER PENETRATION, WATER DAMAGE THAT ACTUALLY DESTROY A LOT OF THE, UH, SHIPLAP THAT WAS ON THE CEILING, BUT NOT THE FOUNDATION OF THAT, OF THE, OF THAT CEILING JOIST. 
          AND I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE RAFTERS WERE ALL CUT IN SOME WAYS, BUT FROM THE OUTSIDE, WHAT I COULD OBSERVE ON THE RAFTER TAILS THAT STUCK OUT, THEY WERE ALL IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WE SALVAGE IN TERMS OF THAT? SO, UH, I'M OPEN TO QUESTION BECAUSE I MAY HAVE MISSED CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT I DIDN'T EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY BE AN OBJECTIVE THING WHERE I'M, I WAS JUST THERE DATA GATHERING BASICALLY. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, COULD YOU, COULD WE PULL UP THE DRAWING AND TALK ABOUT THE, WHERE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THE ORIGINAL HOME VERSUS THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL THAT YOU THOUGHT, UM, ADDITIONS THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED? OKAY. 
          UH, I, I, FROM THE PACKAGE HERE, I DON'T SEE GOOD PICTURES THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY ARE, UNLESS I HAVE A, UNLESS I HAVE A, A ROOF PLAN. 
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PICTURES FRONT THE DOUBT. 
          MILLER? YEAH, I THINK I'M, UH, MR. YAP, I'M JUST REFERRING TO MAYBE THE STRUCTURAL REPORT WHERE THERE'S A PLANNED VIEW IN THE REPORT. 
          UH, I, I DO NOT SEE A, UH, PAGE EIGHT OF 31. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MEAN, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE, THE WHOLE BIG THING IN THE TOP THERE IS NOT THE PORCH. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO BRING UP A PLAN JUST FOR GENERAL REFERENCE ONLY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PAGE EIGHT OF 31, THAT THAT IS THE FIRST STORY ONLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE VOID ON THE LEFT FRONT IS THE PORCH, AND BASICALLY THE HOUSE GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO WHERE THE 0.4 IS IN RED. 
          AND MAYBE THE KITCHEN IS ORIGINAL, BUT MAYBE NOT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME INDICATION THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADDED ON LATER. 
          THE PORCH IS IDENTIFIED IN THIS PICTURE IS COLLAPSING AND HELD UP BY LIKE LEANING TWO BY SIXES. 
          BUT, SO I THINK COMMISSIONER YAPP IS REFERRING TO BASICALLY KIND OF THE BLUE SQUARE. 
          IF YOU SQUARED OFF THE FRONT AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING, THE DORMERS AND THE SECOND STORY KIND OF THING BUILT IN THE BACK ARE ALL, UH, I MEAN A LATER EDITION, A LATER EDITION. 
          NOT, NOT ON THE SANDBORN, NOT, NOT, DEFINITELY NOT NONE OF THE SAME QUALITY AT ALL. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD, UH, A REAL PICTURE TO SHOW YOU WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL, EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THE SANDBORN MAP PAINT THE PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL SQUARE OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN IF YOU TIE THAT TO EIGHT PAGE EIGHT OF 31, UH, THAT WILL BE THAT SQUARE THAT HAS THE PORCH PLUS THE KITCHEN, I GUESS THE WORD THAT, THAT IS THE ORIGINAL SQUARE OF THE HOUSE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE IS AN ADDITION. 
          AND THE ADDITION IS TWO STORY AS WELL. 
          AND, AND THAT'S REALLY, UH, REALLY THE TAX, THE TAX SKETCH. 
          YEAH, ON PAGE WITH THE PINK BACKGROUND SIX, THE PINK. 
          SO BASICALLY IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE SQUARE , THE 1414, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN THE SIDE AND THERE'S A SIX AND THERE'S A ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THAT SQUARE IS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          ALL THE SECOND FLOOR STUFF IS DEFINITELY A LATER EDITION. 
          IT'S A LATER EDITION, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CORO, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION? UM, SO THE HOUSE IS, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THE STRUCTURAL WORLD, . 
          SO I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, THE HOUSE APPEARS TO BE AT THE END OF ITS PHYSICAL LIFE IN THAT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, AND THERE ARE SOME OBVIOUS FAILINGS OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT I DON'T FIND NECESSARILY THAT IT'S AT THE END OF ITS CONTRIBUTORY LIFE AS IT RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK FACE HAS A NUMBER OF SINGLE STORY HOMES ON IT, WHICH I DID NOT SEE THAT THERE WERE BLOCK FACE FOES INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE THAT. 
          SO I, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE TEARING THE PROPERTY DOWN AND REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT ATYPICAL FOR THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK FACE. 
          THERE IS ONE TWO STORY HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF TWO LANE AND 11TH THAT WAS RENOVATED BY BUNGALOW REVIVAL, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ORIGINAL TWO STORY ON THE BLOCK. 
          THE REST OF THEM ARE KIND OF INFILL CONSTRUCTION PRE DESIGN GUIDELINES OR EVEN PRE DISTRICT THAT WERE DONE ON NARROWER LOTS. 
          SO I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I THINK WE ARE CHARGED WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. 
          AND REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS NOT TO NECESSARILY SAVE AN APPLICANT FROM A BAD FINANCIAL DECISION OR, OR WHATNOT, THAT, THAT WE ARE REALLY JUST STEWARDS OF OUR, OF OUR DISTRICT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO STRIKE SOME KIND OF BALANCE WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE BLOCK FACE, WHICH WOULD, IN MY OPINION, INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, SAVING SOME PORTION OF THE FACADE OF THIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT IS GONNA NEED TO BE REBUILT. 
          AND I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT A LOT OF, NOW THAT IT'S EXPOSED, THIS WOULD BE JUST FALL UNDER REPAIR. 
          I MEAN WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A C OF A, I MEAN, IT IS ROTTEN, THERE IS TERMITE DAMAGE AND YOU WOULD BE REMOVING ALMOST 
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EVERYTHING FROM THE HOUSE. 
          BUT, BUT YOUR OBSERVATION ABOUT WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL HOME, WHICH WAS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT HOME, UM, BECAUSE I GUESS WHEN PETE SPOKE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A HOLISTIC HOME THAT'S HAS HAD TATTOO TWO ADDITIONS PUT ONTO IT AT AT LEAST MAYBE MORE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S BEEN A, I THINK COMMISSIONER YAP HAS INDICATED THAT HE BELIEVES THESE ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS ARE VERY POOR QUALITY IN A VERY DETERIORATED STATE AND SHOULD BE REMOVED, DEMOLISHED, LET'S SAY. 
          OH, ABSO, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          SO I GUESS, SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU ALSO CONCUR WITH, WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THE ORIGINAL HOME ON THE SANBORN, WHICH, WHICH IS REALLY OUR CHARGE IS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THE FOCUS OF THIS SHOULD BE SOLELY ON THAT. 
          AND, AND I GUESS WHEN I SPEAK OF PRESERVING THAT ASPECT OF IT, THAT'S WHAT I, IT, IT'S SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ITS IMPORTANCE TO THAT BLOCK FACE IN THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. 
          AND I SEE THAT THEY PROVIDED A, YOU KNOW, A SCHEMATIC OF A NEW HOUSE, WHICH I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE FITS QUITE THE SPIRIT OF THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK FACE AND NOT TRUE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ON IT. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BALANCE IS, IF IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL RAMIFICATION OF ASKING SOMEONE TO RESTORE ARE, YOU KNOW, TO THE LEVEL THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE RESTORED IN ORDER THEN TO ADD ONTO IT. 
          I MEAN, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T PURCHASE IT WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE JUST GONNA RESTORE A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOME. 
          AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO TAKE SOME CONSIDERATION OF, OF THE NEED TO, TO ADD ONTO IT AND WHAT THAT INVOLVES IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND WHAT IT NEEDS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SCRAPED COMPLETELY DOWN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GO THAT FAR. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME ASPECT OF THAT FRONT ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, PRESERVED BECAUSE I, I DO THINK IT HAS, YOU KNOW, VALUE TO THE DISTRICT. 
          RICHARD, YOU HAVE YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP? YEAH. 
          UH, SO, UH, CHAIR EK, IF I CAN TAKE YOU TO PAGE 25 OF 31 OF, I THINK THE, UH, ENGINEERING REPORT, 25 OF 31, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE, THE, UH, IF I'M GOING ACROSS AS 1, 2, 3, PICTURE 1, 2, 3 AS A CROSS 25 OF 31. 
          ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO PICTURE TWO AND THREE REPRESENT, UH, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME, PETE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          IF I'M MISTAKEN, PICTURE TWO AND THREE, UH, PART OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THOSE NEED TO BE TOTALLY DEMOLISHED. 
          THEY ARE UNSAFE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PICTURE SIX, UH, THAT IS ON WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THING, LIKE THE CHIMNEY THAT IS IN THE SORT OF FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, THAT, THAT PICTURE FROM FRONT TO BACK, THIS PART IS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT GOES, ACTUALLY THERE IS A JOB BEFORE THE ADDITION GOT BUILT, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO WE NOW WE STAND 25 OR 31 ON THE INSPECTION REPORT. 
          ON MY, ON THE HEADMAN ENGINEERING REPORT PAGE, WE READ THE CONCLUSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SOMEBODY DID A BRILLIANT JOB OF ENLARGING THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT JUST NOW CAN WE ENLARGE IT BACK? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THE, THE, THE SQUARE THAT YOU SEE ON SANDBORN MAP IS THIS SQUARE. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE SIDE WITH THE CHIMNEY, UH, THAT THE, UH, PORCH IS IN THE FRONT. 
          AND ACTUALLY YOU HAVE A JOG BEFORE THE TWO STORY ADDITION GOT BUILT HERE. 
          SO ANYTHING BEYOND BACK, BEYOND THIS POINT IS, IS, IS UH, NEEDS TO BE DEMOED, PERIOD. 
          UH, BUT ONE, ONE THING, AND NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT I SAID ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR WALL, THIS SECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS VERY, VERY UNIQUE ON THIS BLOCK PHASE BECAUSE LOOK AT HOW HIGH THE WATER TABLE IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS SITTING JUST UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW SILL. 
          OKAY? SO UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW SILL, AND TO ME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOW SILL, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH STILL PLUMB. 
          IF THE HOUSE WAS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE, IT WILL SHOW DRASTICALLY ON THE WINDOW. 
          I MEAN ON THE, ON THE WATER TABLE, SORRY. 
          AND THEN THIS SIDING IS PRETTY UNIQUE, NOT, 
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WE TYPICALLY SEE BEVEL SIDING, NOT THIS KIND OF ROOF SHINGLE SIDING. 
          UH, AND I THINK THEY WERE, I THINK THEY WERE ACTUALLY WOOD AND, UH, THE RAFTER TAILS, I DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THE RAFTER TAILS. 
          SO, BUT THE RAFTER WENT IN AND THEN GOT ALL CUT BECAUSE OF THIS, OF THE, UH, ADDITION IN THE ATTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS PART I THINK IS WHERE COMMISSIONER CROSS GROVE AND I FEEL THAT, UH, TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE BLOCK PHASE THAT IT IS ON, I THINK NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED. 
          YES, YOU DO NEED TO PUT NEW SEAL BEAMS. THERE ARE SOME FLOOR JOISTS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED. 
          THE SUCH NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED IN THAT CHIMNEY AND REBUILD THE RAFTERS OF THE, ONCE YOU REBUILD THE RAFTERS, ALL THE BOEING WILL BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ROOM ANYMORE, WHICH IS SUBSTANDARD BASICALLY IN THE ATTIC. 
          SO I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS IF WE STILL HAVE THEM. 
          JUST, CAN I JUST MAKE A POINT? CAN I KEEP HEARING BLOCK FACE COMMISSIONER MCNEAL THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT IS AN ORIGINAL ONE STORY HOME WITH A LARGE ADDITION ON THE BACK THEN IT'S FOLLOWED BY THREE OR FOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION, TWO STORY HOUSES. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSES THAT ARE 2, 3, 4 ADDRESSES OVER FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN AT THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE NEXT BLOCK OVER. 
          THERE'S AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR BRAND NEW, TWO STORY NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S TWO NEW CONSTRUCTIONS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHICH WOULD BE 11, MAYBE OH EIGHT AND 11 0 6 2 LANE. 
          SO SOMETHING GOT TORN DOWN INTO BRAND NEW TOWNHOUSE STYLE HOUSES GOT BUILT THERE. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SINGLE STORY HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, TWO STORY HOUSES ON THE BLOCK FACE. 
          SO JUST TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ABOUT THE FACTS OF THE BLOCK FACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER COLLUM, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AS WELL. 
          WHEN DID THEY PURCHASE THIS HOUSE? YES. 
          STEP ANSWER THAT, UM, ALMOST ONE MONTH OR LIKE ONE MONTH AND A HALF, KIND OF VERY, THEY WERE NOT THE REASON THIS HAPPENED, THIS WENT ON THE MARKET. 
          I UNDER I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          BUT THIS HOUSE WAS PURCHASED LOOKING LIKE THIS. 
          YES, IT WAS. 
          YES. 
          OH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A VERY GENEROUS, UH, DISCUSSION TODAY, UM, BOTH FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, MORE THAN NORMAL. 
          UM, AND WE'VE HAD COMMISSION MEMBERS ON SITE, WHICH I, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, AND STAFF HAD VARIOUS SEEING, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS OPINIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE GIVING IT THE TIME THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO ARE ON SITE, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES REMOVING THE LATER ADDITIONS AND HAVE ALLOWING THOSE TO, TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR, UM, DISCUSSIONS, THE QUESTION THAT IS REMAINING ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOME AS PER, UH, AS PER THE SANBORN, I THINK IS NOW WHERE THE DISCUSSION LIES. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THERE, OR IS THERE A MOTION TO BE MADE? I HAVE A MOMENT FOR DISCUSSION, MR. MCNEIL. 
          AND SO I AM CURRENTLY WORKING ON A HOUSE THAT HAD EXTENSIVE TERMITE DAMAGE. 
          AND MY, IN MY ESTIMATION FOR A CONTRACT FOR MY CLIENT, I PRESUME THAT I WOULD REPLACE 50% OF THE WALLS. 
          AND THAT I THOUGHT WAS GENEROUS IN MY OWN ESTIMATION. 
          AND OF COURSE, ONCE WE STARTED AND WE STARTED ACTUALLY TEARING WOOD STUDS OUT, I'VE REPLACED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WALLS AT THIS POINT. 
          AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST CAUTION, I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS OF THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE AT THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, I GIVEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FOR ME TO ACCURATELY, UH, ASCERTAIN AND MAKE A GOOD DECISION SITTING AT A DESK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA HIT 50%. 
          BUT AS A REMODELER IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON FOR 32 PLUS YEARS, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA TEAR OUT 50% OF THIS HOUSE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'RE GONNA GET RID OF THE TWO ADDITIONS, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA START GETTING INTO THE MEAT AND BONES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND YOU WILL REMOVE 50% OF THE WOOD IN ORDER TO BUILD IT BACK TO A SERVICEABLE CONDITION. 
          AT WHICH POINT IT'S NO LONGER HISTORIC. 
          IT'S, IT'S A REBUILT HOUSE AND THAT'S JUST AN OPINION FROM A GUY WHO'S BUILT A LOT OF HOUSES. 
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WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE A FURTHER COMMENT. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AT THIS POINT, MY, MY CONCERN THAT I HAD, BECAUSE THIS POINT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME, UH, ON THE SECOND VISIT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE, AND MY FIRST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ACTUALLY TO ROMAN AND TO PETE, WAS FOR SURE WE NEED TO DEMOLISH THE SECOND AND SECONDARY AND TERTIARY, BUT IF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY IS CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE S IS THEN WE WILL DEFINITELY PASS THE 50% POINT AS POINTED OUT BY MR. TURIK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE SUBJECT IS MOOT, RIGHT? IF, IF WE GO BY THAT RULE THAT THAT HAS BEEN READ OUT ALOUD, AND I'M NOT SURE, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT, SO WE, I WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY SEE TO LEGAL THERE, BUT IF THE ASS IS, AS THE HOUSE THAT IT STANDS TODAY, UH, YOU WILL DEFINITELY NEED TO REMOVE MORE THAN 50% OF AS IS IN TOTAL. 
          IN TOTAL. 
          SO THEREFORE THE SUBJECT THAT WE ARE BEING IN HERE IS ACTUALLY MO, BUT IF IT IS NOT LIKE THAT, IF IT IS THAT THAT RULE THAT MR. TARIK HAS READ OUT IS NOT KEY, THEN THERE IS VIRTUE IN LOOKING AT THE LITTLE SQUARE BY ITSELF, THEN, THEN IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT TO ME. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, AT LEAST WHAT CAN I SPEAK? NO, YOU, YOU'VE HAD YOUR MOB TO SPEAK AND WE ACTUALLY BEN, BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO ALLOW YOU MORE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, AND THIS DISCUSSION MAY CONTINUE FOR SOME TIME, BUT I MEAN, THE ONLY COMMENT, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, I WOULD SAY IS AN HISTORIC HOME THAT REQUIRES THINGS TO BE REPLACED AND, YOU KNOW, REPAIR WE CALL YOU WOULD DO THAT A REPAIR. 
          BUT I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT MAKES IT NOT HISTORIC AT THE END OF THE REPAIR BECAUSE MATERIALS ARE, ARE, THERE'S SOME NEW MATERIALS THERE. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE, IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, THERE ARE WAYS OF SISTERING TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE END, IF, IF IF THE, I MEAN, IF THE END OF A FLOOR JOIST IS ROTTEN AT THE END, YOU, YOU SISTER, I DO THAT IN MY WORK ALL THE TIME ON RESTORE HOMES, YOU HAVE TO ERADICATE THE TERMITES SO THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE WAYS OF SISTERING AND, AND WORKING ON VERY OLD HOMES. 
          SO I, I JUST, MY ONLY COMMENT IS JUST THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS HAS SOME NEW MATERIALS DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT A STORY. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS SIMPLY HOW, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR GONE IS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN ANYONE ELSE HERE BECAUSE YOU DO THIS PERSONALLY AND YOU HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. 
          SO I, I JUST WANT TO JUST MENTION ABOUT HISTORIC LOSS. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S ALL. 
          DO WE KNOW WHEN THE ADDITIONS WERE BUILT TIME WISE? NO, BUT THE MATERIALS ARE ALL DIFFERENT AS WELL AS WELL, THE WAY THEY ARE FINISHED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE'VE CONSIDERED IT ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS AT THIS COMMISSION. 
          AND IF THE ADDITIONS WERE 50 YEARS OLD, THEN WE CONSIDERED THE THEM HISTORIC AS WELL. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE AGE OF THE ADDITIONS, I MEAN IF, IF HE HAD 68, BECAUSE THAT'S THE TAX CARD THAT'S IN HERE, RIGHT? SO THEN, SO THEN IT IS, SO THEN IF YOU'RE REMOVING THOSE TWO ADDITIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO POORLY BUILT, NOW YOU'RE INTO A 50% DEMOLITION SITUATION, THEREBY MAKING THE CONVERSATION MOOD AS YOU POINTED OUT. 
          BUT WE'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN 50% OF THE STUFF OFF AND THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES LIKE THAT ONE IN THE HEIGHTS WHERE THE PEOPLE TOOK ALL THE SIDING AND THE WALLS DOWN, AND THEN WE MADE THEM REBUILD IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS. 
          TO ME, WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS HOUSE IS THE MASSING, THE SCALE, THE TYPES OF MATERIALS, THE WINDOW PATTERNS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT HISTORIC. 
          BECAUSE THESE HOUSES ARE MADE OF THINGS THAT AREN'T GONNA LAST 500 YEARS. 
          THEY'RE NOT STONE CASTLES LIKE IN EUROPE. 
          EVENTUALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE MEMBERS IS GONNA FAIL. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LEFT WITH IS THE MASSING, THE SCALE, THE COMPOSITION OF THE DESIGN. 
          AND YOU CAN TOTALLY SEE THAT WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE NEW BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF IT THAT ARE LIKE TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE. 
          AND IF WE WANNA PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND AND FEELING OF THIS STREET SCAPE, I WOULD SAY THEY CAN REPLACE THIS, BUT THEY HAVE TO BUILD BACK SOMETHING THAT'S THE SAME AS THIS. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT IF I'M READING THIS ACCURATELY, WHAT IT TELLS ME IS THAT I, THAT, THAT A DEMOLITION IS WARRANTED BECAUSE THE, THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY HAVE TO GO TO REBUILD THE STRUCTURE, THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, I WOULD WANNA HEAR WHAT LEGAL SAYS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT GOES AGAINST THINGS THAT WE'VE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND IF ONE TRUMPS THE OTHER, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS WHICH. 
          NEITHER DO I, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS 
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A DEMOLITION. 
          WE CAN SAY THAT IT'S A REPAIR AND THEY KEEP AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. 
          THAT'S, WE CAN, THAT'S PRACTICAL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I, AND IF IT ENDS UP BEING THAT THEY DO TAKE MORE THAN 50%, THEN THEY TAKE MORE 50%, BUT THEY'RE STILL PUTTING IT BACK SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS FROM THE STREET, DOES IT, TO ME, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY WON'T PUT IT BACK LIKE THAT. 
          THEY WILL PUT A TWO TO 3000 SQUARE SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE BACK OF THIS. 
          SO YOU'LL KEEP THE VERY FRONT FIRST STORY BIT. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE DENY THEIR MOTION FOR DEMOLITION, THEY'LL GO TO, THEY'LL GO TO THE APPEAL AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THE APPEALS BOARD HAS TO SAY AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, AND, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM LEGAL ON THE 50% TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. 
          SURE. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HEAR FROM ALICE VOTE FOR AND VOTE AGAIN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC OUT HERE, BOTH HERE AND, UH, VIRTUALLY, UM, I MEAN PART OF THIS IS THAT THERE WAS A TIME, AND I'VE SEEN IT, I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION HAS SEEN IT, THAT, UH, SOMEONE WOULD, UH, PROCEED WITH A, WITHOUT A C OF A OR EVEN WITH A C OF A AND REMOVE EVERY ELEMENT OF THE HOME, BUT KEEP ONE STUD, ONE STUD STANDING AND CLAIM IT WAS A RENOVATION. 
          SO I THINK THIS, THESE CODE WORDS I BELIEVE ARE IN, ARE IN ANSWER TO THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. 
          BUT, BUT ALICE, I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS MATTER. 
          UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE SECTION. 
          UH, AND, UH, BUT FROM SOME EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE, WITH THE CODE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          PEOPLE LEAVE ONE STUD AND THEY GO AND THEY SAY IT'S A REPAIR, NOT A DEMOLITION. 
          UH, SO I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEE, PARTICULARLY WITH, WITH YOUR CHARGE AS TO THE REASONABLENESS OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE'RE HAPPY IF THERE IS A DEFERRAL, WE CAN LOOK INTO THIS CODE SECTION MORE. 
          UM, UM, BUT UH, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME, UH, UH, LEVI. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ALICE? SO COMMISSIONER MEMBER, WE REALLY NEED TO WRAP THIS UP, UM, AND MAKE, MAKE A, A MOTION. 
          UM, OR IS SOMEONE WILLING TO TEST A MOTION? I THINK, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A, A LOT OF, UH, INPUT FROM ALMOST THE ENTIRE, I'M SORRY, COMMISSION, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER COUCH. 
          I, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ADDITIONS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          AND THEY NEED TO TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL THAT'S SALVAGEABLE ON THE, THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND IF THEY DO END UP REPLACING THINGS, THEY NEED TO REPLACE IT SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THESE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTED AND THEY DON'T TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT AND THEY CAN PUT SOMETHING NEW ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SUBJECT TO HISTORIC COMMISSION APPROVAL AND STAFF APPROVAL. 
          BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE UP TO THE, TO THE CORNERS NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZABLE WHEN THIS PROJECT IS FINISHED. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I WOULD ARGUE THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEFERRAL FOR THEM TO COME BACK WITH A NEW SET OF DRAWINGS THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE ADDITION ON THIS DAY. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST, UH, RESPONDING TO THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. 
          IS IT AN UP DOWN VOTE ON DEMOLITION THERE, MR. SABA SECONDS. 
          OKAY, SO, WELL, THAT'S THE, OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT, SO I MEAN, THE ISSUE AT HAND IS WHETHER WE ALLOW THEM TO SCRAPE THE LOT OR NOT, RIGHT? SO, AND I, YES. 
          DEMOLITION OR NO DEMOLITION, THE MOTION WAS TO ALLOW THIS MOTION WAS TO ALLOW THE, THE, ALLOW A PARTIAL DEMO DECIDED REAR ADDITIONS TO BE DEMO TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          THIS ADDS SOME NUANCE TO THE YES OR NO. 
          THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO. 
          'CAUSE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I KNOW, I AGREE THAT IT'S, IT'S A, A PARTIAL APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE REQUESTING THAT A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT BE RETAINED. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UNDER, UNDER THIS MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE? UH, BEFORE WE VOTE? CAN, CAN YOU YOU RESTATE AGAIN, BECAUSE I'M GETTING A BIT CONFUSED AS TO THE PARTIAL, WHERE IS THE PARTIAL BEGINS AND ENDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT ENDS AT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, JUST LIKE YOU SUGGESTED. 
          ORIGINAL SANBORN HOUSE, BASICALLY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? UH, AYE AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE AGAINST THE MOTION? A MS. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? ANYONE ABSTAINING FROM THE MOTION? AND I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER WEER JACKSON IS STILL ONLINE AT THIS TIME. 
          SO SHE'S, SHE IS, NO, I'M, I VOTED IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION PASSES 
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AND WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2 7 1 7 ARLINGTON STREET. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, MAYBE I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          I PULL THIS OUT JUST TO BEFORE, UH, UH, UH, YOU GO AHEAD. 
          MY QUESTION WAS VERY SIMPLE. 
          I DID NOT SEE THE HEIGHTS GUIDELINES PORTION OF THIS WRITEUP. 
          WAS THERE ONE, UM, IN THE DRAFT? IT WAS, BUT IN THE FINAL REPORT IT'S THERE AND IT DOES, IT DOES MEET MEASURABLE. 
          IT DOES, UM, IT DOES MEET MEASURABLE STANDARDS. 
          THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT DOES NOT MEET RIGHT NOW IS, UM, THE SUNROOM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE ADDED, ADDED A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO SHIFT THE SOUTH WALL OF THE SUNROOM BY 11 INCHES. 
          AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY WILL MEET THE SITE SETBACK MEASURABLE STANDARDS. 
          AND THE APPLICANT AGREED? YEAH, BECAUSE ON THE, ON ONLINE, I, I, THE DRAFT DID NOT HAVE THAT HEIGHTS GUIDELINE MEASURABLES AT ALL, SO, OKAY, BUT YOU ARE OKAY. 
          EVERYTHING IS WITHIN THE WINDOW OF YEAH, IT, IT IS POSTED NOW. 
          I'M SORRY IF IT WAS NOT BEFORE. 
          UM, BUT YES, OTHER THAN THAT PORTION OF THE SUNROOM, UM, IT DOES MEET, SO THE CONDITION IS THAT THEY HAVE TO SHIFT THE MASSING A BIT TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO THE, THE WALL DOES NOT, IS NOT OFFSET. 
          UM, AND THEY WILL ALIGN IT WITH THE INSET ON THE NORTH PART. 
          AND THEN THE SUNROOM, THEY HAVE TO EITHER, THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT SMALLER BY 11 INCHES SO THEY CAN MEET. 
          'CAUSE THEIR CUMULATIVE SITE SETBACKS IS AT 14 FEET AND ONE INCHES. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE 11 INCHES SHORT. 
          BUT THEY MEET THE FAR YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          THEY MEET THE FAR AND LOT COVERAGE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          THAT WAS JUST FOR ME. 
          OKAY, WELL LET'S, IF WE CAN PROCEED QUICKLY THOUGH, WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO YES, IF YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PRESENT OR SAY THE RECOMMENDATION? JUST PRESENT VERY QUICKLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE HERE. 
          WE'RE, OKAY. 
          SO I SUBMIT TO YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM E TWO AT 7 1 7 ARLINGTON. 
          THE PROPERTY INCLUDES, UH, ONE STORY, WHICH FRAME SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ON AN INTERIOR, UM, LOT. 
          UH, THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING PYRAMID ROOF COTTAGE CONSTRUCTED 1915, LOCATED IN HIGH SOUTH. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A TWO STORY ADDITION, UM, AT THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND A, UH, TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSAL MEETS, UH, DESIGN MEASURABLE STANDARDS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH, WITH CONDITION TO SHIFT REAR PART OF ADDITION, UM, TO THE SOUTH TO ALIGN WITH INSET ON THE NORTH ELEVATION SHIFT SOUTH WALL OF SUNROOM TO THE NORTH BY 11 INCHES TO MEET CUMULATIVE SIDE SETBACKS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF, OF, UH, COMMISSION OF STAFF NOT HEARING ANY? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ITEM? OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH, MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE COMMISSIONER? HAVE A SECOND. 
          OKAY, MR, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE, WE'LL GIVE STAAVA THE, THE, WE'LL GIVE THE DELAY, UM, EFFECT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANYONE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION? ANYONE ABSTAINING FROM THIS MOTION? THAT MOTION PASSES NOW. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING, I BELIEVE, TWO ITEMS. SIX. 
          THIS IS STAFF PERSON TAYLOR VALLEY. 
          I SUBMIT ITEM E SIX AT 1131 EAST 11TH STREET, WHICH IS IN NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE ON YOUR AGENDA IT MENTIONS, UM, SIDING, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROPOSAL FOR NEW PAINT, A NEW CANOPY, NEW SIDING, NEW DOORS AND DOOR RESTORATION TO THE CONTRIBUTING STOREFRONT PROPERTY. 
          UM, WORK HAS BEEN ALREADY COMPLETED WITHOUT THE ISSUANCE OF A COA. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF COR FOR COMPLETED WORK WITH THE CONDITION OF PAINT REMOVAL CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'VE PULLED THIS. 
          HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE BUILDING OWNER AS TO WHAT PAINTING REMOVAL MEANS AND HOW WILL IT BE EFFECTIVE ON THIS BRICK GIVEN 
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THE AGE OF THE BUILDING? UM, I'M, I HAVEN'T HAD A, UM, CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF THE PAINT REMOVAL. 
          UM, OF COURSE WE DO RECOMMEND FOR, UM, THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO NOT, UM,  TO NOT DAMAGE THE BRICK. 
          OF COURSE. 
          UM, ROMAN IS ALSO, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THIS ITEM, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S, I THINK ROMAN STEPPED OUTTA THE ROOM FOR A MOMENT, BUT HE'LL BE BACK. 
          BUT, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THE SIDE AS WELL FROM THE PUBLIC, SO, OKAY. 
          I'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE SPEAKER. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OF STAFF ON THE SIDE? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER COUCH. 
          I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING TO THE LEFT OF THIS AT A CAR CRASHED INTO IT OR SOMETHING. 
          DID WE GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO PAINT THE BRICK ON THAT BUILDING TOO? I THINK IT WAS PAINTED MANY YEARS AGO. 
          BEFORE, BEFORE THE DISTRICT FORM IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO IT. 
          IT'S A SEPARATE STOREFRONT. 
          UM, THAT ONE WAS PAINTED, BUT UM, PRIOR TO THE DESIGNATION OF THE DISTRICT, SO, UM, UNDER, YEAH, UNDER THE ORDINANCE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, COMMISSIONER STAVE HAS A COMMENT STYLE, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          I REMEMBER THERE WAS A, UH, A C OF A FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE AWNING AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UH, THAN IT WAS BEFORE. 
          SO IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LOOKS APPROPRIATE, UH, ANYMORE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THEY JUST, UM, PUT THAT THERE TO MATCH THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT. 
          BUT I CAN TELL THAT IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS WELL. 
          WELL, I THINK THE OLD AWNING SLOPED, YES, THERE WAS DAMAGE, BUT THE HEIGHT WHERE IT ATTACHED TO THE WALL DOESN'T LOOK THAT MUCH DIFFERENT. 
          BUT I THINK, 'CAUSE THE OLD ONE WAS, WAS AT ANGLE FACING DOWN. 
          IT LOOKS LOWER THE WAY IT COVERS THE TOPS OF THE WINDOWS, BUT, OKAY. 
          NOPE. 
          NO, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY MENTION THE, THE SIGN THE STAR DUST ANTIQUES. 
          IS THAT LIKE TOTALLY REMOVED ALREADY? IS THAT GONE? IS THAT SIGN ACTUALLY HISTORIC SIGN? WHERE IS THIS? UM, JASON, CAN YOU GO BACK? SO I CAN SEE, UM, ROMAN THERE ASKING ABOUT THE STAR SIGN. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S A HI COMMISSIONER. 
          SORRY, I STEPPED OUT THE, UH, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE STAR DUST SIGN. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY OLD TO ME. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY A PAINTED PLAQUE OF SOME TYPE FIX TO THE BUILDING. 
          REMEMBER THE OTHER QUESTION THAT, THAT WE HAD FOR STAFF? UM, MR. MR. MCNEIL ASKED IF, UM, YOU THERE WAS ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT REMOVING THE, THE PAINT FOR THIS PROJECT AS, UH, I THINK I'VE TALKED TO HIM AND I'VE HEARD THERE, UH, UH, I'VE TALKED TO 'EM AT ONE POINT WHEN WE INITIALLY GOT THIS, AND, UH, THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO PAINT IT TO MATCH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS. 
          AND I EXPLAINED THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT THE REMOVAL. 
          UM, IF THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ON HOW THEY ARE GOING, OH NO, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WITH THEM, UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD, HOW THE REMOVAL WOULD OCCUR, HOW WE WOULD, UH, AND WE WOULD NEED STAFF'S APPROVAL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE GETTING OUT THERE SANDBLASTING IF THIS WERE TO BE TURNED AROUND. 
          THERE ARE PROPER TECHNIQUES TO FULLY REMOVE THAT PAINT WITHOUT DOING HARM TO THE ORIGINAL MASONRY AND MORTAR. 
          AND YOU THINK IT CAN BE DONE SUCCESSFULLY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES, IT'S DONE. 
          IT'S DONE. 
          COMMISSIONER MNE, IT'S DONE. 
          UH, THIS, THIS, UH, BOARD THAT WE HAD ONE IN, UM, GLENBROOK VALLEY AND THEY TEST TESTED THREE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES. 
          IT FINALLY CHOSE ONE. 
          AND, UH, ONCE YOU APPLIED THAT ONE, YOU COULD PRACTICALLY WASH THE PAINT OFF WITHOUT MUCH OF, UH, OF A POWER. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE VOTED A COUPLE TIMES ON THE COMMISSION TO HAVE PAINT REMOVED. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN THE END RESULT OF THAT. 
          IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE BACK, IT'D BE GREAT. 
          SO I CAN, IT'D BE MORE CLEAR AND FORTHRIGHT IN MY VOTING FOR REMOVING PAINT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S GREAT CASE STUDIES ON ONLINE. 
          THE COMPANIES THAT DO THAT PROFESSIONALLY, UH, HAVE LOTS OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          I CAN SEND YOU SOME EXAMPLES AND WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE DO A TOUR. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. 
          I'VE GOT THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND I, I'M GONNA START WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP WITH, WHO WAS ZACHARY WOLF. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND AND, AND RESTATE YOUR NAME? YEAH. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ZACHARY WOLF AND I AM, UH, UH, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, UH, HEARING ME OUT TODAY. 
          I WAS INFORMED ABOUT 
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THIS MEETING YESTERDAY. 
          I HAVE A NEWBORN AT HOME, SO I'M A LITTLE JUMPY ON ALL MY COFFEE. 
          UM, PROBABLY LACK OF SLEEP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, TOOK THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO, FROM A COMPLETE DISASTER THAT HAD SAT ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WHOLE, I GUESS Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY SOME, SOME OF Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF IT, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          AND WE HAD THE O THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, GREAT SUCCESS WITH IT. 
          WE GOT GREAT REVIEWS. 
          THE COMMUNITY SEEMED TO REALLY LIKE THE PROJECT. 
          I THINK Y'ALL APPROVED THE DESIGN, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS AND DOORS TO KIND OF, UH, BRING A HISTORIC LOOK. 
          UM, AND SO THE ADJACENT OWNER HAD APPROACHED US. 
          SHE WAS RETIRING, UH, THE STARDUST ANTIQUES, AND SHE HAD APPROACHED US TO SEE IF WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ADDING THAT TO OUR PROJECT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, NATURALLY WE FELT, YOU KNOW, UNKNOWINGLY THAT, UM, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO KIND OF INCLUDE THAT IN THE GREATER PROJECT. 
          AND WE FELT, YOU KNOW, AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS ALONG THE WAY WITH, UH, MR. MR. ROMAN, THAT IT WOULD BE NATURAL THAT WE COULD MATCH THE BUILDING GIVEN THAT THE AWNING WAS, UH, NOT ONLY SLOPING, BUT HAD LIKE ONE METAL CORD HOLDING IT UP. 
          SO, I MEAN, FROM A SAFETY METHOD, WE REMOVED IT IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THIS POINT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE STREET WERE PAINTED. 
          SO WE JUST WEREN'T AWARE THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE CASE. 
          AND OUR GOAL WAS JUST TO IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE FELT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAD EXTREME TERMITE DAMAGE. 
          WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF REPAIR ON THAT. 
          WE TINTED THE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK, UH, IS MORE NATURAL TO THE STREET. 
          IT'S COMMERCIAL AREA, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S JUST KIND OF A STRANGE STRIP OF THE NOR HILL DISTRICT BEING COMMERCIAL, WHERE THE MAJORITY IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT, UH, WHAT THAT WAS FORMED FOR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS. 
          IF, IF Y'ALL BELIEVE PAINT REMOVAL IS FOR A BENEFIT OF THE LOOK AND, UH, IDEA, WE, WE COULD SAMPLE IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE, UH, GIVEN THE POSITIVE REVIEWS WE'D HAVE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO KEEP IT AS IS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST A QUESTION, WHY DIDN'T YOU COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO DO WORK TO A HISTORIC BUILDING BEFORE JUST GOING AND DOING IT? UH, SO, SO WE DID HAVE A PERMIT TO DO THE WORK, UM, TO DO THE, UH, STRUCTURAL DOOR WORK. 
          AND, AND SO, UM, HOW DO YOU GET A PERMIT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH HISTORIC FIRST? I, THE CITY WOULD PUT A HOLD ON IT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT A BUILDER, BUT I KNOW WE HAD A PERMIT AND WE PERFORMED THE WORK, UM, . 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PAINT, I DON'T KNOW IF PAINT IS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, IN A PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT A, I'M, YOU KNOW, NOT A BUILDER, BUT I, I KNOW WE HAD A PERMIT, WE HAD RED TAGS AT CERTAIN POINTS AND WE GOT GREEN TAGS. 
          UM, SO, AND I'M NOT, YOU SAID YOU WERE ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. 
          I'M SORRY, YOU ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? NOT, NOT PERSONALLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A GROUP IF THEIR COMPANY DOES. 
          SO THEY GOT, THEY DID THE, WENT THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THAT BUILDING. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD THINK THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR IF IT'S STILL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO, SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, IT ALREADY HAD THE T IN PLACE, SO WE WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, BEING FULLY TRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AND, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T PUT SOME NATIONAL COMPANY. 
          IT'S ALL LOCAL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS THAT KIND OF LEASE THE BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, RETAIL SHOPS. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. 
          I'M, YOU KNOW, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO DO SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE RIGHT. 
          AND SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE IF WHAT WHAT WE DID WAS AGAINST STANDARDS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE FELT SINCE THE ADJACENT BUILDING THAT WE'D DONE HAD SO MUCH SUCCESS AND EVERY OTHER BUILDING WAS PAINTED, UM, SOME WITH MURALS AND SO FORTH, WE THOUGHT A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, BLACK AND WHITE WOULD BE CLASSY AND WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T, UH, OFFEND ANYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONED. 
          HOW MANY YEARS AGO WERE THE OTHER BUILDINGS PAINTED? THEY COULD HAVE BEEN PAINTED BEFORE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, WHICH WOULD MAKE, YOURS HAD TO BE, YOU HAD TO HAVE COME BEFORE. 
          AND ROMAN, WAS THERE A PERMIT FOR THIS? I'D LIKE TO STEP IN. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          UH, TO THE QUESTION OF THE RELEASING OF WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, WE RELEASED A HOLD FOR INTERIOR WORK ONLY. 
          UM, AND 
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IF YOU, GOING BACK TO THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THERE WAS WORK DONE HERE THAT WE'RE REME WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THE, I THINK ONE FRONT DOOR WAS REPLACED. 
          UM, UH, THE WHOLE WESTERN SIDE WA THE SIDING WAS REPLACED WITH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING. 
          ALL OF THAT WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED, WAS NOT PERMITTED. 
          THERE WAS NO PERMIT FOR THAT. 
          THERE WAS PERMIT FOR INTERIOR WORK ONLY. 
          SO WE AS STAFF THOUGH, LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT AND CONSIDERED THE SITUATION. 
          AND THE MOST, THE THING THAT HARMS THE STRUCTURE THE MOST IN TERMS OF ITS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY IN THE DISTRICT, THE MOST IS SIMPLY THE PAINTING. 
          SO WE'RE FINE. 
          WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO YOU THAT THESE OTHER ITEMS BE OKAY. 
          UM, I INCLUDING THE CANOPY, INCLUDING THE, THE CANOPY, BUT THAT, THAT WAS ALSO DONE AS EXTERIOR'S CODE INCLUDING THE CANOPY. 
          A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. 
          BUT, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT TIES THESE STRUCTURES TOGETHER. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IN ROUGH SHAPE INTO COMMISSIONER COLLINS POINT, THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UH, AS FAR BACK AS I THINK WE CAN SEE ON, EVEN ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW, WHICH IS 2007, THOSE BUILDINGS WERE PAINTED. 
          UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, A TRUCK DROVE THROUGH THE ONE ON THE CORNER, AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT HERE THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. 
          AND WE LOOKED AT THAT BUILDING AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE OKAY WITH, UM, OF COURSE REPAINTING AN ALREADY PAINTED BUILDING IS NOT, IS NOT SOMETHING YOU NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ROMAN. 
          I DO HAVE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM. 
          UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER WAS VIRGINIA KELSEY. 
          UH, HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS LAWRENCE FIBO. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN WHICH THIS, UM, OCCURRED. 
          AND UM, SO, UH, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY A FEW BOARD MEMBERS IN THE PAST, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, HAVE A SUBMISSION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT ON THE, THE PAINT JOB. 
          AND IT IS TRUE THAT THE OTHER, UH, BUILDINGS SURROUNDING IT, UM, HAVE BEEN PAINTED IN THE PAST, UH, LONG I THINK BEFORE IT WAS REQUIRED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, IN TERMS OF REMOVING THE PAINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING THIS ON THE COLUMNS ON MY PORCH AS PART OF A RESTORATION PROJECT. 
          AND THE SPECIFIC STUFF IS CALLED SMART STRIP ADVANCED. 
          I CAN SHOW YOU HOW TO USE IT. 
          IT'S NOT THAT BAD. 
          UM, BUT IT IS A CHORE, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. 
          IT'S THE SAME KIND OF BRICK ACTUALLY ON MY PORCH THAT, THAT HE HAS ON THIS, UM, ON THIS, UM, PROPERTY. 
          AND SO, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, BEFORE, UH, COMMENCEMENT OF WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE IS A, A SORT OF A GROWING MOVEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PRESERVE ORIGINAL BRICK BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE A CHARACTERISTIC OF HARMONY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS, THIS COMES UP OFTEN, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET A PERMIT FOR THIS WORK. 
          SO I MEAN, THE, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS WHEN YOU GET A PERMIT, THEY WOULD, UH, SEEK YOUR APPROVAL AS IN ADDITION TO A C OF A AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S HOW WE BACKED INTO THIS CORNER, I THINK. 
          BUT, UM, THANK, BUT THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE ON THE SCHEDULE TODAY, SO I, UM, OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE SPOKEN AND SIGNED UP. 
          A QUICK QUESTION. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATES IS IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE PAINT AND BRINGING BACK THE ORIGINAL BRICK, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, SORRY IF I COULD CHAIR, BUT SORRY, CURRY, WHILE YOU'RE STILL STILL STANDING. 
          SO YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR RIGHT AS AN ASSOCIATION TO REVIEW PLANS BEFORE THIS, THIS SORT OF THING HAPPENS. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT IN PLACE AND THIS, THAT, THAT STEP GOT SKIPPED OR ARE YOU REFERRING TO SOMETHING THAT YOU WISH WAS INTACT ISN'T, OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT MIGHT HAVE PREVENTED? SO ORDINARILY PEOPLE WILL, UM, AS REQUIRED IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, PEOPLE WILL COME TO US FIRST AND THEN THE, UH, COMMISSION AND THEN GO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND, UM, I I, I'M NOT MAKING ANY JUDGMENT OF INTENT HERE. 
          UM, IT COULD BE INNOCENT, UM, THAT STEP WAS SKIPPED IN THIS, UM, PARTICULAR CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, ONE, ONE MORE SPEAKER, VIRGINIA KELSEY. 
          HELLO. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF NOR HILL. 
          I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD. 
          I'M ALSO AN ARCHITECT AND I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY SUPPORT TO ROMAN'S COMMENTS AND LAWRENCE'S COMMENTS. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON MY OWN THAT THIS CURRENT TREND OF PAINTING ALL BRICK WHITE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS TO ERASE THE LONG HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND IT WORKS TO CHANGE THE SCALE OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE STREET BY UNIFYING IT AS A STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT LOOKS MORE LIKE 
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A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER RATHER THAN THE HEIGHTS AND NOR HILL. 
          SO I VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE AWNING SCALE AS IT WAS, AND THE BRICK AS IT WAS TO KEEP NOR HILL WITH THIS SORT OF UNIQUE CHARACTER THAT IT HAS. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I WOULD ASK, SORRY, CHAIR CHECK MAY PLEASE, WHY ARE YOU STANDING? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL, APPARENTLY ORIGINAL SIGNS ON THE BUILDING? AND I'LL ASK THAT. 
          NO, I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU MISS THOSE TOO. 
          YES, YES. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE PLACE AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOO OFTEN THESE DAYS WE'RE STRIPPING THE CHARACTER OF ALL THE BUILDINGS AND THAT'S WHAT GIVES A SENSE OF PLACE. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO MAINTAIN A SENSE OF PLACE AND HAVING A, UH, A AWNING THAT UNIFIES THE WHOLE THING. 
          THAT ALSO GOES TO, UM, CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT DIMINISHES THE INDIVIDUALITY AND SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS BE SUPER DILIGENT ABOUT WATCHING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IMMEDIATELY CALLING 3 1 1 AND ASKING THEM IF THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER PERMITS IN PLACE. 
          'CAUSE MAYBE WE COULD HAVE HEADED THIS OFF BEFORE TODAY IF SOMEONE HAD REPORTED THEM PAINTING THE BUILDING WITHOUT, AND CHANGING ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS WITHOUT A PERMIT. 
          WE, I THINK WE'RE SORT AND YAWNING TOO. 
          WE HAVE 3 1 1 ON OUR SPEED DIAL AND IT'S A CONSTANT PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IN NOR HILL THEY DID. 
          THERE IS A IT IS, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LAWRENCE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UM, UH, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID FILE 3 1 1 COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT WAS RED TAGGED. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTE TO OUR CITY STAFF AND I, I HAVE ONE I CAN SPEAK TO THE SIGN IF, IF, IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          DO YOU HAVE IT, PLEASE? NO, YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION THOUGH. 
          SORRY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW PICTURES, UM, LIKE HISTORICAL AND CURRENT, AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OF START ANTIQUES REMOVED THE SIGN, AND THAT WAS PART OF HER SELLING THE PROPERTY. 
          SHE WANTED TO TAKE THE SIGN WITH HER. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, BOTH THE NEON AND THE, WHICH, WHICH SIGN ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? THE NEON WAS REMOVED BEFORE WE BOTH WERE REMOVED BY HER BEFORE WE CLOSE, SO, OKAY. 
          I, I, I COULD LOOK LIKE, I MAY HAVE PICTURES OF THE NEON, LIKE IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE, BUT THEN SHE REMO SHE TOOK THE, THAT ONE, THE CURRENT ONE THAT WAS THE LA THAT WAS THE MOST CURRENT ONE, UM, THAT SHE TOOK THAT WITH HER AS WELL. 
          OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE ONE? THE LARGE WHITE ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE BUYING ALL, SO WE DON'T, JUST, JUST TO, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT ONE AT ALL. 
          BUT I, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT BESIDES WHITE PAINT NOW IS, WAS THERE A BRICK PATTERN THERE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HAVE HAD ANOTHER CASTSTONE SIGN IN THERE OR SOMETHING. 
          SOMEBODY BEHIND YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, I MEAN I CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I, I, I PROBABLY HAVE SOME PICTURES, UH, IN MY FILES THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND 'EM TO YOU. 
          WHY ARE YOU HERE? DO, DO YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN ABOUT OBSCURING WHAT ARE TO US IMPORTANT, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING? I, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN, IN ANY OF THIS, SO, SO I, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY, I, I, I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL'S CONCERNS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE INNOCENTLY THOUGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH MR. ROMAN, UH, OVER THE YEARS AS WE RESTORED THE CORNER BUILDING. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WAS, UH, WE WERE, WE HAD THOUGHT THAT, UM, WE COULD CONTINUE ON AND TO RESTORE THE BUILDING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON THE CORNER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ONCE AGAIN IT'S, UH, THERE WAS NO, I'VE GOT TWO MORE SPEAKERS. 
          AT LEAST ONE, YEAH. 
          ANYWAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'VE GOT ANOTHER SPEAKER THAT HAS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM. 
          UM, THIS IS FOR ANNE THOMAS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ANN THOMAS AND I'M THE DESIGN MANAGER FOR HARRISON FLETCHER. 
          UM, I, UH, AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE, UH, C OF A. 
          UM, I DO HAVE ONE, UH, CLERICAL ERROR ON THE APPLICATION. 
          IT STATES APPLICANT A M THOMAS ANN M. THOMAS AGENT FOR ZACHARY THOMAS, OWNER, IT SHOULD BE ZACHARY WOLF. 
          UM, I WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS PROJECT TO DESIGN THE TWO LEASE SPACES THAT WERE GOING INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          I AM THE ONE THAT APPLIED FOR THE INTERIOR BUILD OUT THE EX. 
          SOME OF THE EXTERIOR DID NOT COME ABOUT UNTIL, UH, WE GOT IN THERE AND STARTED DEMOING THE INSIDE AND NOTICED THE 
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AMOUNT OF TERMITE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE. 
          AND WE WERE HOPING TO SAVE SOME OF THE, UH, ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD, BUT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          WE DID TENT THE BUILDING TO ERADICATE ALL THE TERMITES AND THE INSECT ACTIVITY INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE SIGHTING ON THE EXTERIOR ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDE WERE JUST IN SO MUCH DEPLORABLE CONDITION. 
          THEY COULD NOT BE SALVAGED. 
          MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU STARTED TOUCHING SOME OF THE PANELS, THEY WOULD JUST CRUMBLE IN YOUR HAND. 
          AND SOME OF THAT SIDING WAS REPLACED FOR SECURITY REASONS, BECAUSE THE INSIDE HAD BEEN DEMOED AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, THE CANOPY, AS YOU CAN TELL, IT WAS MEANT TO BE FLAT, AS YOU CAN KIND OF TELL TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE. 
          UM, BUT ONLY TWO OF THE RODS WERE ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE BRICK. 
          AND SOME OF THE BRICK WAS ACTUALLY BOWING AWAY FROM THE WALL DUE TO THE TERMITE DAMAGE AND THE RUST FROM THE BRICK TIE FROM THROUGH THE BRICK TIES OF THOSE RODS. 
          ALSO, THE HARD CONNECTIONS AT THE CANOPY LEVEL HAD DAMAGED THE BRICK WHERE THAT CANOPY HAD TIED IN. 
          AND THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE DECISION, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, OF THE CONTRACTOR TO RECOMMEND PAINTING THE WALL. 
          THE BRICK WALL WAS THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DONE TO UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY, AS WELL AS THOSE BRICK TIES. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE NO BRICK TIES BETWEEN THE BRICK AND THE WALL. 
          WE HAD TO GO IN, IN THERE AND FASTEN THOSE TO IT TO KEEP THE BRICK WALL ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          AND I WISH I HAD PHOTOS OF THAT. 
          BUT CONTRACTORS DON'T TAKE PICTURES, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, I DO HAVE PICTURES OF THE BLOCK. 
          I TOOK OFF GOOGLE EARLIER TODAY 'CAUSE WE GOT NOTIFIED OF THIS MEETING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA YESTERDAY. 
          ALL THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THIS BLOCK ARE PAINTED. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THEM APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN PAINTED. 
          AND I KNOW ONE OF THEM WAS PAINTED DOCUMENT, CAMERA, PLEASE. 
          SINCE 2000. 
          EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE'RE GETTING THE DOCUMENT CAMERA FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          YEP. 
          ARE WE READY TO MOVE FORWARD? I THINK IT WAS WASN'T TIME. 
          IT WAS JUST SIMPLY ANNOUNCING THAT THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE, UH, UH, I, I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THE COMMENT. 
          SO, AND THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER WHERE THE CAR DROVE THROUGH, UH, PARTS OF IT WERE NOT PAINTED UNTIL AFTER THE CAR DROVE THROUGH IT AND THE DAMAGE WAS DONE TO THAT BRICK. 
          'CAUSE ALL THAT BRICK HAD TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND SO THE CORNER WHERE CARMELLA'S WAS LOCATED WAS PAINTED. 
          THE SINGLE STORY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY PAINTED TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL JUST MENTION, UM, WHENEVER APPLICANT'S FIND TERMITE DAMAGE OR SUBSTANTIAL AREAS OF CONCERN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TALK TO STAFF, ALERT THEM TO, HEY, I HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          THEY WILL SEND OUT A TEAM TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, AND, UH, OBSERVE THAT, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THEN THE, AND THEY WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS YES, SIR, ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH A PROCESS TO AVOID THESE, THESE KIND OF DOUBLER THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, UM, THEY CAN, THEY, THEY ARE OUR RESOURCE AND THEY WILL WORK WITH YOU AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE DISCOVERIES AND IT MAKES A LOT THE PROCESS EASIER, UH, IN THAT WAY. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I, ONE MORE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WAVING THEIR HAND TO PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. 
          WHILE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT CLAIMING IGNORANCE SEEMS TO BE A REASON TO MAKE POOR DECISIONS TODAY, I THINK WE NEED TO DISMISS THAT AND DISCUSS WHAT IS NOW AND WHAT WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO I LIVED IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND NOW I LIVE AT 1802 HARVARD, SO HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST. 
          AND SO I PASSED BY THIS AREA VERY, VERY OFTEN BETWEEN MY OLD FRIENDS AND MY CURRENT FRIENDS. 
          THIS, UH, PLACE, IF YOU'D BEEN INSIDE HAD A LOVELY WOMAN THAT RAN IT FOR AGES AND WE'LL TALK OS AND OS ABOUT ALL THE SIGNAGE. 
          AND SO THIS SIGN, THE STARTUP ANTIQUE SIGN, WHICH I, IT'S PROBABLY ON HER WALL SOMEWHERE, IS THE SECOND OR THIRD VERSION THAT SHE PUT UP HERSELF. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS BRICK WORK BEHIND IT THAT INDICATES A DATE. 
          SHE SAID SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AT SOME POINT WHEN I BOUGHT A NECKLACE ONCE MORE THAN THAT. 
          THE INDIVIDUALITY THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO THIS AREA. 
          SO PLEASE CONSIDER COMPLETELY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO DO THIS HAVE THE FUNDS AND ARE A COMMERCIAL INTEREST AND SHOULD BE COMPLETELY REMEDIATING TO THE POINT OF INDIVIDUALITY THAT WE DESERVE AS HEIGHTS RESIDENTS. 
          THE WHOLE BRICK THING IS KILLING ME BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AT THIS STORE AND YOU'RE LOOKING OUT, YOU SEE BELLA GREEN AND YOU SEE WHATEVER VERSION OF THE RESTAURANT THAT'S AT 11TH IN STU WOOD RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH BRICK AND THEY VERY MUCH WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND VERY MUCH DID NOT PAINT THEIR BRICK. 
          YES, ONE OF THEM WAS PAINTED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF AN ABSURD ARGUMENT. 
          ANDY'S IS PAINTED, BUT ANDY'S DOESN'T LIKE THESE GUYS EITHER. 
          SO I I FIND THIS TO BE A VERY CONFUSING CONVERSATION 
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AND WOULD LIKE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER THE WINDOWS IN DETAIL AND THE DOORS IN DETAIL. 
          OF COURSE, I ALSO THINK A COMMERCIAL INTEREST SHOULD SUPPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO THE PUBLIC TO SHOP AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY ECONOMICALLY. 
          AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD EVEN BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT REMEDIATING THE PAIN. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AT THE VERY, VERY MINIMUM HERE. 
          UM, IT, IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT YOU CAN BE A REGULAR GIRL AND KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT AND SOMEONE WHO'S CHOSEN THEIR LIFE'S INTEREST IN COMMERCIAL EFFORT AND INVESTMENT SOMEHOW HAS NO IDEA HOW, WHAT THE PROCESS IS WHEN IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS AT THIS POINT AT TIME. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM OR ON, ON VIRTUALLY ATTENDING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM COMMISSION MEMBERS, IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. 
          IS THERE A SECOND BEFORE THERE'S A SECOND? MAY I, UH, PLEASE. 
          MAY WE REPEAT WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS EXACTLY IN THIS CASE, PLEASE? IS THAT IT? YEP. 
          HOW ABOUT THE ARMY? NO, NOT NOTHING ABOUT THE YAWNING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          WELL, I'M BRINGING IT UP AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          THIS, IS THIS REPLACEMENT ON ACCEPTABLE TO US OR DO WE WANT TO FRIENDLY? I WANT TO DISCUSS IT FIRST, SECOND WE SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          SECOND COUCH. 
          UM, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, ON THE CANOPY? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE CANOPY LOOKED LIKE HISTORICALLY, DO WE? BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM THE SIXTIES OR SEVENTIES. 
          THAT, THAT ONE THAT WAS THERE. 
          THE CORRUGATED SLOPED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD HAVE LIKE A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT UNLESS SOMEONE FINDS THE OLD PICTURE OF THE BUILDING, I GUESS FOR STAFF. 
          IS THERE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL INVENTORY PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS AND WHAT YEAR THAT WOULD'VE BEEN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO? I MEAN IT'S CLEAR THAT THE BRACKETS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THEY USED TO BE, BUT THAT MIGHT BE JUST, I THINK COMMISSIONER COUCH'S QUESTION MIGHT BE WHETHER OR NOT THE AWNING WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE MORE HISTORICAL PREVIOUS PHOTO IS ORIGINAL OR NOT? NO. 
          IS THAT NOT THE QUE IT'S NOT, NOT YOUR CONCERN. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ORIGINAL. 
          IT'S ALUMINUM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SIXTIES OR SEVENTIES, YOU CAN SEE THE BRACKETS ON THE BRIDGE AND THE, AND THE BRACKET BARS ARE GONE. 
          YES. 
          THE ORIGINAL AWNING GONE AND IT GOT REPLACED BY THIS ALUMINUM THING. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW THE NEW BUILDING OWNER HAD JUST PUT A NEW AWNING THAT MATCHES AND OBVIOUSLY THE AWNING PROBABLY WAS A SAFETY HAZARD AND WE NEED A REPLACEMENT. 
          BUT IF YOU, WE HAVE A THIS WORK PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS US THE ORIGINAL AWNING. 
          UM, THE ONE THAT I HAVE IN THE INVENTORY PHOTO IS THE OLDEST PHOTO THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW THEY'VE USED SOME LIKE DECORATIVE STAR TYPE PLATES, WHICH IS NOT REALLY RECOMMENDED, BUT, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY MORE DECORATIVE THAN WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE OR EVEN WHAT'S ON THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR. 
          MY ONLY, MY ONLY COUNSEL ABOUT THAT IS MORE LESS ABOUT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT IT'S UH, IN THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BRICK PULLING IS THOSE PLATES ARE GENERALLY DESIGNED TO HAVE A CERTAIN SURFACE AREA SO THAT THEY ARE ENGAGING MULTIPLE BRICKS AND THEREFORE YOU SPREAD THAT LOAD OUT SO THAT YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DISTURBANCE OF THE BRICK. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER AN ENGINEER LOOKED AT THAT AS PART OF FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT OR NOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY WANT TO CONSULT AN ACTUAL ENGINEER ON. 
          THERE IS A PRESCRIBED NUMBER OF SQUARE INCHES THAT THAT SHOULD BE ENGAGED WITH THOSE PLATES. 
          BUT, UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, IS THERE A FRIENDLY A AMEN AMENDMENT OR IS OR OR CAN WE PROCEED TO THE VOTE AS UM, AS OFFERED? WE SAID THE AWNING ON THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT'S OKAY. 
          AND THIS ONE'S THE SAME AS THAT WILL THAT AWNING, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T SAY THIS ONE'S. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALSO, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH PROCEEDING, UH, WITH THE VOTE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? YEAH. 
          MOTION AS PRESENTED? YEAH. 
          MOTION AS PRESENTED BY STAFF? YES. 
          FOUR. 
          EVERY VOTING. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          FOUR. 
          AYE. 
          I'LL AYE IT OKAY. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          IS ANYONE AGAINST THE MOTION? I IS ANYONE ABSTAINING FROM THE MOTION? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 7 18 0 2 HARVARD STREET. 
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OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS STAFF PERSON TAYLOR VALLEY. 
          IT'S ME AGAIN. 
          . 
          I SUBMIT ITEM E SEVEN AT 1802 HARVARD STREET, HOUSTON HEIGHTS, EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALSO THE MANSFIELD HOUSE LANDMARK. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD WINDOWS TO THE CONTRIBUTING CARRIAGE HOUSE OF ON THREE OF FOUR ELEVATIONS, WHICH WILL ALL BE INSET AND RECESSED WOOD WINDOWS. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE WINDOW FROM THE SOUTH SIDE ELEVATION TO BE REMOVED AND RELOCATED TO THE WEST FRONT ELEVATION. 
          UM, BOTH CONSIDERED VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND REMOVING ONE SMALL SECOND STORY WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          ON THE PROPOSAL ON THE STAFF REPORT, I DIDN'T MENTION THE REMOVAL OF THE SMALL SECOND STORY WINDOW, BUT IT IS IN THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS. 
          THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO CREATE A LARGER GARAGE DOOR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION OF KEEPING THE EXISTING WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE WINDOW IN QUESTION? PAGE 14 OF 18. 
          UH, JASON, CAN YOU GET THERE? I THERE 14 OF 18, SO YES, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE MOVED TO, BUT IT'S ORIGINALLY ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, SO THEY WANNA PUT IT WHERE THE RED SQUARE IS AND STAFF IS SAYING SO THAT LONG RECTANGULAR ONE IS EXISTING, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THAT AND PUT IT ON THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED FIRST, WHICH IS THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          AND JUST HELP ME OUT WHICH PAGE BY LOOKING AT WHICH WINDOW ARE WE REMOVING. 
          SO ON THAT CURRENT PAGE THAT UM, RECTANGULAR, THE LONG RECTANGULAR ONE IS GOING TO BE REMOVED AND, UM, PLACED ON THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE FRONT ELEVATION YES. 
          PROPOSED RIGHT WEST. 
          SO ON PAGE 14 OF 18, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T GET THIS? I SEE A SQUARE WITH A RED, WITH RED HASH MARKS. 
          YEAH, THAT THE RED SQUARE ON PAGE 14 IS A NEW PROPOSED NEW WINDOW, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO TAKE THE WINDOW FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND MOVE IT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MY APOLOGIES, APOLOGIES. 
          THAT'S HOW THE, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY IF THEY PUT A NEW WINDOW THERE OR ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN'T PUT A WINDOW THERE? YES, WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING THAT, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THAT, UM, SOUTH ELEVATION WINDOW THERE BECAUSE THAT IS GONNA BE, UM, VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DRAWINGS. 
          THAT'S HOW WE RECEIVED THEM. 
          SO NO PROBLEM. 
          ON, ON 16 OF 18, I'M LOOKING AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, RIGHT? C CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT PHOTOGRAPH? THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS JUST STOPPED ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO THE LONG WINDOW THEY WANT TO TAKE OUT AND REPLACE WITH ONE SMALLER WINDOW, WHICH I THINK MATCHES TWO EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE SMALLER ALREADY. 
          YES. 
          AND IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IMAGE, WELL JUST, JUST LIKE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IMAGE, JUST SO THE VIEW FROM THE STREET YES. 
          THIS IS WHAT IS GOTCHA. 
          ALREADY THERE. 
          IT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          SO THAT IS TO BE REMOVED AND PUT PLACED ON THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THAT'S A REQUEST? YES. 
          THAT IS A REQUEST. 
          AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THAT WINDOW. 
          IS THIS CORRECT? BECAUSE IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BECAUSE IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS THEN WHAT'S YOUR GAP ON, ON ON PAGE 16 OVER 16 OF 18, AFTER REMOVING THE RECTANGULAR WINDOW, THE APPLICANT WANT TO PUT THE THREE ALMOST EQUAL WINDOWS THERE. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I HAVE, I BELIEVE THREE SPEAKERS HAVE SIGNED UP. 
          THE FIRST, UH, SUE SIGNED UP IS JAN GREER. 
          HI, I AM JAN MEN DE GREER, UM, THE COMMITTEE, BUSY BODY APPARENTLY. 
          UM, SO TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, WE ACTUALLY HAD LET GO OF MOVING THE FRONT WINDOW KNOWING THAT CHANGING A TYPICAL ELEVATION WAS OUT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE WE DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE GARAGE APARTMENT WAS CONTRIBUTING. 
          IT'S THE ONE OF TWO, I BELIEVE, IN THE ENTIRE CITY UNDER ALL OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          SO THIS IS A BIT OUTDATED SETTING THAT ASIDE TO THE NEXT ELEVATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE SORT OF HAVE A COUPLE OF OBJECTIONS. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS THIS ON THE, THE KEEP IT HERE. 
          I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND CONFUSING ON THE STREET FACING ELEVATION, ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS IS NOT ACTUALLY REALLY A WINDOW. 
          IT'S A HODGEPODGE OF PIECES THAT LOOK SORT OF LIKE A WINDOW, WHEREAS 
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THIS IS A GOOD WINDOW. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO AT LEAST USE THIS AND THEN PROBABLY REPLACE OR FIND A, A MATCHING HISTORIC WINDOW BECAUSE ONE OF THE TWO, ONE, IT THE FIRST ONE DOES NOT, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          UM, IT EFFECTIVELY IS NOT A WINDOW. 
          UM, ACCORDING TO THE, THE MOST POPULAR WINDOW RESTORATION PERSON RIGHT NOW WHO IS REDO REDOING ALL OF THE WINDOWS IN THE MAIN PROPERTY, EIGHT WINDOWS AT A TIME. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT WAS A PORTION OF THIS CONVERSATION IS TO GET A GOOD WINDOW AND KEEP IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD STILL LIKE PERMISSION TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS EVEN IF WE'RE SO SETTING THAT ASIDE NOW WE HAVE THE THREE WINDOWS AND THE CONVERSATION THERE IS THAT IT'S VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET, IT'S VIEWABLE FROM THE ALLEYWAY. 
          AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO REVIEW HOMES FROM THEIR BACKYARDS, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA FIND YOURSELF IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM LEGAL ON. 
          UM, THERE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED AND ODD FOOT SETBACK, SO YOU CAN SEE, SEE YEAH. 
          UHHUH . 
          SO WHEN WE'RE TIME MOTION SPEAKER MORE TIME. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          PLEASE PROCEED. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE LOOKING AS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON 18TH STREET, WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE, THAT'S THE SOUTH VIEW. 
          YOU CAN LOOK ONTO THE POINT THAT IS PIN DROPPED AND THAT IS TECHNICALLY A VIEW OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE UNDER DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S NOT A BIG OLD TREE THAT USED TO BE THERE BECAUSE WE REMEDIATED AN OPEN SEWAGE ISSUE THAT HAD BEEN ONGOING FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. 
          AND APPARENTLY THE TREE HAD LIGHT POO POO AND WATER ALL THE TIME AND EVENTUALLY PASSED AWAY FROM OLD AGE. 
          ALTHOUGH WE DID TRY TO KEEP IT. 
          UM, WHAT THERE IS NOW IS A BRICK FACADE THAT DELINEATES A FORMAL GARDEN THAT I'M BUILDING PIECE BY PIECE. 
          AND SO IT'S SORT OF HARD TO SEE IN THE SHADE, BUT YOU SEE A WHITE LINE ALMOST EQUIDISTANT BETWEEN THE RED PEN AND 18TH STREET. 
          AND THAT'S A, UM, 12 FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL ON ONE SIDE IS A BARBECUE, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE A LONG-TERM FORMAL GARDEN. 
          SO WILL THIS BE VIEWED VIEWABLE FROM 18TH STREET? NO. 
          ONLY IF YOU'RE IN THE ALLEYWAY. 
          UM, AND I, AND I DON'T THINK JUDGMENT FROM THE ALLEYWAY, WHICH IS THIS PICTURE'S VIEW, UM, IS CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S THE OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. 
          IS THE VIEW FROM THE ALLEYWAY CONSIDERED PART OF THE JUDGMENT? SURE. 
          I THINK I CAN ASK STAFF OR ROMAN OF THIS QUESTION, BUT, UH, THE WAY THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO REVIEW THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS IS THAT FENCES OR WALLS OR LANDSCAPING DON'T APPLY AS OBSTRUCTIONS. 
          SO LIKE IF THAT WALL OR THE LANDSCAPING DISAPPEARS, ONE CAN SEE. 
          AND SO IN THE ORDINANCE, IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UM, WE DON'T FACTOR IN THOSE KIND OF OBSTRUCTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE STREET VIEW. 
          UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK ROMAN TO COMMENT ABOUT THE ALLEY VIEW, BUT, BUT, UM, WHAT'S HERE TODAY MAY NOT BE HERE TOMORROW. 
          AND SO WHAT WE ARE ASKED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE RESOURCE, UH, FROM THESE WITHOUT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          SO, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. 
          NO, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY APPEAL ON A NUTSHELL, IN A NUTSHELL. 
          UM, MY QUESTION, SAVING A GOOD WINDOW AND PUTTING IN SOME NEW ONES, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER NEIL. 
          UM, SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT THIS WINDOW IS NOT A WINDOW, IT'S A HOT WINDOW. 
          NO, THAT'S THE GOOD WINDOW. 
          THAT'S A GOOD WINDOW. 
          WHICH I WANNA MOVE TO THE FRONT. 
          THE STAFF WANTS YOU TO KEEP THAT WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S VISIBLE AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM 18TH AS FAR AS GOOGLE STREET VIEW. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THE ALLEY TO SEE THAT'S NOT THAT VIEW. 
          LET ME SEE THAT. 
          IT'S GOOD. 
          IT'S GOOGLE STREET VIEW. 
          YOU'RE STILL STANDING IN THE ALLEYWAY? NO, I'M STANDING ON 18TH STREET. 
          THAT IS ALLEYWAY RIGHT IN, IN FRONT AND FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          I NEED TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE, BUT I'M JUST PULLING UP GOOGLE STREET VIEW FROM 18. 
          I CAN SEE THE WINDOW. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING. 
          CAN I, CAN I UH, UH, SORT OF FOLLOW ON ON THAT? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE WITH THE WINDOW PLEASE? ON THE SOUTH LOCATION, THE ONE WITH THE GOOD WINDOW. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT THE GOOD WINDOW. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE GOOD WINDOW. 
          THAT'S THE GOOD WINDOW. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY, SO HELP ME PLEASE. 
          UHHUH, I WAS JUST GONNA SWITCH 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          IS, IS THIS HERE THE ALLEYWAY, UHHUH , THIS THING IS ACTUALLY FACING THE FACING 18. 
          YES, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE SOUTH FACING VIEW. 
          YEAH, BUT THE HOUSE FACES HARVARD. 
          THE HOUSE FACES HARVARD. 
          THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS 18 
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TWO, THE SIDE, THE HOUSE IS ON 18TH STREET. 
          AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, EVERY SINGLE WINDOW IN THIS HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN RE HARVESTED AND PATCHED IN THAT, THAT ONE BEING THE BEST, WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE LIKE A HEIGHTS WINDOW, PROBABLY FROM LIKE 1930 OR 40. 
          THE APARTMENT AS IS WAS PRIMARILY DEBILITATED AND MADE INTO SOMETHING THAT IS OF SOME STANDARD IN THE FIFTIES. 
          AND THEN BARTLEY DID IT IN ABOUT 75. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT SHOWS ON THE WALLS. 
          'CAUSE HE SIGNED EVERY STUD HE EVER TOUCHED. 
          AND IT WAS NOT TOUCHED AGAIN. 
          IT DID NOT HAVE, UM, SEWER GAS ACCESS. 
          SO IT BUILD UP, I MEAN IT DID NOT HAVE, UM, IT HAD A GAS STOVE THAT DID NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, ACCESS TO FRESH AIR. 
          SO IT WAS IN PRETTY BAD CONDITION. 
          AND, AND THE ONLY THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE SINCE ABOUT 74 WERE PAINT. 
          AND I THINK OVER THE YEARS HE POPPED IN KIND OF FUNKY WINDOWS. 
          AND SO ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE GOOD WINDOWS, UM, THERE'S TINY LITTLE WINDOWS. 
          AND THEN ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY LITERALLY GLASS. 
          LIKE IT IS NOT A WINDOW, IT IS GLASS. 
          SO I CAN'T REPLACE A WINDOW. 
          IT'S NOT A WINDOW. 
          IT WOULD, I COULD AND IF IT WERE TO BE DAMAGED, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIX IT. 
          UM, THE BEST WINDOWS ARE ON THE ALLEYWAY SIDE AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL LOUVERED WINDOWS, WHICH ARE ABOUT TO BE RESTORED. 
          SO IT'S CRAZY WINDOW TIME, BUT A LOT OF THE HOUSES THAT WAY. 
          THE OTHER HOUSE AS WELL. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO GOING BACK TO, UH, PAGE, UH, 15 OF 18. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO, UH, SORT OF CHANGE TOPIC FROM WINDOW TO THE, UH, DOOR. 
          SO THIS GARAGE, UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW BUILDING THAT IS ACTUALLY CALLED CONSIDERED TO BE CONTRIBUTING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          YES, IT IS CONTRIBUTING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN YOU WIDEN, OR THE PLAN IS TO WIDEN THIS, UH, GARAGE DOOR, NUMBER ONE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE THOSE FOUR PANEL THING, THE DOOR, THE CURRENT DOOR, ARE THEY ORIGINAL TO THE, TO THIS GARAGE APARTMENT? WHEN I BOUGHT IT FROM BART, HE HAD PUT IN A MODERN MECHANICAL DOOR. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? SO THAT'S A MODERN DOOR, NOT A HISTORIC NO, 90. 
          IT'S AN A 11 DOOR. 
          I MEAN, IT WASN'T IN GREAT CONDITION, BUT I JUST CHANGED OUT THE ENGINE AND CALLED IT A DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOREOVER, I THINK, I THINK THE ORIGINAL, I THINK THE ORIGINAL DOORS MIGHT HAVE SWUNG. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST THIS, YEAH, I MEAN HE HAD GARAGE DOOR, I THINK, I THINK THE ORIGINAL DOORS MIGHT HAVE SWUNG OPEN, LIKE OH, I'M SURE. 
          BUT HE, HE PUT IT SO THAT HE COULD PARK A MIATA IN THERE AND I JUST CAN'T MAKE THE TURN ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S UM, ANOTHER UTILITY BOX ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE MY GARAGE IS THE FUNCTION. 
          WELL THAT, THAT'S GOOD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TEARING DOWN AN ORIGINAL DOOR. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          WE, WE ARE NOT IN THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NO. 
          UM, SO NOW SEE THESE DOUBLE ABOVE THE DOOR, THESE TWO SETS OF WINDOWS ARE NOT AT ALL ALIKE EITHER. 
          LIKE ONE IS LIKE A 12, TWO OR 12 LIGHT OR NINE LIGHT LOUVERED. 
          AND THE OTHER TWO ARE, THEY LIKE, THEY OPEN I THINK TO ONE SIDE. 
          I MEAN THERE, THERE'S NOT FROM THE SAME ERA AND NOT CONTINUITY, BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY HISTORIC FROM SOMEWHERE AND BEAUTIFUL AND USEFUL. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING THOSE REDONE, UM, THESE LITTLE BITTIES, UM, TWO OF THESE ARE SORT OF, WERE ONCE REALLY COOL 1910S, UM, UM, MANUAL OPENING WITH A CHAIN PULL BITS. 
          BUT SO MANY PARTS HAVE BEEN REPLACED OVER THE YEARS. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. 
          AND THEY'RE, ONE OF THEM IS PLEXIGLASS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. 
          MA'AM, I LOVE THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY, SUPER HERE TODAY. 
          AND I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO EVERY COMMISSION MEETING AND SPEAK ABOUT PEOPLE. 
          I'M KIND OF A, A PIPE WHO DON'T PULL PERMITS AND JUST DO WORK. 
          AND SO MY CUT TO THE CHASE QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT IS YOUR IDEAL WORLD ABOUT? 'CAUSE WE'RE GIVING STAFF'S GIVING YOU RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON MOST EVERYTHING YOU WANT. 
          WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY COMING BEFORE US? WHICH WINDOW DO YOU OBJECT TO WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? WELL, I ACTUALLY, AND I, THIS IS CONFUSING A BIT FOR TAYLOR BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA PUT TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ANYMORE. 
          I JUST WANNA TAKE THE GOOD ONE AND MOVE IT TO THE FRONT. 
          UM, YEAH, NO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL. 
          AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU PUT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION? I, I HAVE WHAT THE DEAL WITH THE THREE WINDOWS IS, IS I HAVE THREE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS EXISTING AND THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA DO. 
          I HAVE 'EM ALREADY AND WE'RE RENOVATING THE INTERIOR AND I'M KIND OF OUTTA MONEY. 
          SO JUST LIKE THE SOUTH, THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS REALLY VISIBLE FROM 18TH STREET. 
          AND SO I THINK AS A COMMISSION, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO 
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REGULATE WHAT CAN BE SEEN FROM THE STREET AND THE, AND THE, DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A GARDEN OR A WALL OR TREES OR WHATEVER, RIGHT. 
          IF IT CAN BE SEEN FROM THE STREET, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP THAT ORIGINAL ELEVATION ORIGINAL. 
          AND I THINK MY SEC, I MEAN, AND IF, IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IF A WALL DOESN'T MATTER AND TREES DON'T MATTER, ET CETERA, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE OTHER CONSIDERATION THAT I, IT IS A SEPARATE PROPERTY AND IF YOU WANNA DIVIDE THE PROPERTIES, THEY LITERALLY, I MEAN THEY'RE ON ONE PROPERTY, BUT THEY ARE TWO PROPERTIES WITH TWO DIFFERENT LISTINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF WE'RE DRAWING INVISIBLE LINES OR, OR NOT DELINEATING USING MEANINGFUL THINGS LIKE SHRUBBERY, THEN THERE'S A LINE BETWEEN 18 0 18 0 2 AND 18 0 8, 18 0 2 A, AND THIS SITS WITHIN THAT SIDE AND SHOULDN'T BE VIEWED FROM THIS SIDE. 
          LIKE, IT, IT, IF, IF THAT'S THE JURISDICTION AND THE MEANINGFUL PROCESS, I MEAN IT'S 150 FEET FROM THE STREET IF YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK IF YOU WERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ADDRESS STREET. 
          I THINK IT'S THE STREET. 
          THE STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN VIEW IT FROM HARVARD. 
          YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HARVARD OR 18TH, THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT OUR RULES SAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO JUST FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES. 
          WELL, I NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT IF, IF I DIDN'T OWN THE MAIN PROPERTY AND YOU ARE SEEING THIS OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, WOULD YOU STILL THEN BE ABLE TO REGULATE FROM THIS SIDE, FROM THE SECONDARY STREET? MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, I MEAN IT'S, THEN IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, NO THANKS. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO MORE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          UM, LET TEST THIS OUT. 
          SO IS I ALSO HAVE A KELLY KIRK SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          SHE HAD ALL THE WORDS. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING HER EXTRA TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO CONSTANT SHOOK. 
          SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANYONE. 
          I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          PLEASE. 
          MR. COSGROVE, THEY WERE, AS A STAFF, YOU WERE OKAY WITH HER HAVING TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING THAT FACES HARVARD STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE WEST FACING HARVARD. 
          YES. 
          WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND CHANGING WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. 
          BUT WE ARE SAYING YOU CAN'T TAKE A WINDOW OFF THE OTHER ELEVATION. 
          I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          HOW WE'RE WE, WE WERE ALLOWING HER TO CHANGE ONE ELEVATION BUT NOT THE OTHER. 
          SO WHICH ORIENTATION IS IT? I MEAN, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE SIDE? BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THE WINDOW. 
          WE, WE DON'T WANT HER TO TAKE OUT FROM 18TH STREET, BUT WE ARE LETTING HER CHANGE THE WINDOW ON HARVARD. 
          I KNOW SHE'S NOT CHANGING THE WINDOW ANYMORE, BUT WE DID. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONFUSION ON THAT? I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, WE DID DISCUSS IT. 
          UM, I THINK KIND OF OUR REASONING IS NOTHING IS BEING REMOVED OR ANYTHING FROM WEST IS JUST ADDING SOMETHING TO IT. 
          THE SOUTH SIDE WOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          THE, THE, THE WINDOW IS STAIN. 
          YOU WOULD'VE TO REMOVE ALL THE SIDING WHERE THE WINDOW GOES IN. 
          SO THAT ARGUMENT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. 
          YOU WOULD BE REMOVING HISTORICAL MATERIAL TO PUT IN A NEW WINDOW OR WE'RE REMOVING A WINDOW . 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK IT ALL SOUNDS CONFUSING. 
          YEAH, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE THE WINDOW TO THE FRONT AND PUT THE NEW WINDOWS IN . 
          WELL THAT'S A MOTION. 
          SO IT'S BEEN, YOU, YOU'VE, IS THAT WINDOW THE SAME SIZE? CAN, CAN YOU REPEAT IT? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION AGAIN? SORRY. 
          I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO, TO MOVE THE WINDOW FROM THE SIDE TO THE FRONT. 
          AS, AS PRESENTED, YOUR MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WELL, I'M GONNA ASK, I'LL SECOND IF THERE'S A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THEN WE'RE SAYING THAT SHE CAN TAKE THE WINDOW FROM WHERE THE STAIRS ARE, PUT IT IN THE FRONT AND ADD THE THREE SQUARE WINDOWS THAT SHE SAYS ARE STAINED GLASS. 
          YES. 
          AND I'M BASING THIS SOLELY ON THE FACT THAT THE STAFF WAS OKAY WITH HER CUTTING A HOLE IN THE EXISTING FACADE AND PUTTING A BRAND NEW WINDOW IN. 
          I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE OF THE LOSS OF HISTORICAL MATERIAL AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ROMAN, ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE, WHAT THE MOTION IS? I AM AS AMENDED JUST NOW BY COMMISSIONER COUCH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT POINT WAS CLEAR THAT THE, THE THREE, THE CHANGE THAT WHICH IS NEW PRESENTED HERE TODAY IS OKAY WITH YOU GUYS. 
          WAIT, WHY? UH, WE HEARD ABOUT I THE DRAWINGS WERE THE PREVIOUS DRAWINGS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I THINK YES. 
          WE CAN BRING UP THAT, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION PLEASE. 
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SOUTH ELEVATION SAYS THREE WINDOWS ON THE DRAWING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE WEST ELEVATION WHERE THERE'S NOW ONLY GONNA BE ONE WINDOW? NO, NO, NO. 
          I DID, IT WAS HERE WHERE I HAD SOME CONFUSION, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          AND I ALSO HEARD ABOUT A STAINED GLASS WINDOW IN THIS PLACE. 
          WELL, MY, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING JUST IS ON THE DRAWING ON THE BOTTOM THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SHOWN IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO DO THREE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS. 
          AND ON THE WEST ELEVATION THERE'LL BE TWO WINDOWS. 
          SHE, SHE WANTS, SHE WANTS TO TAKE OUT THE JANKY WINDOW AND THE GOOD WINDOW FROM THE SOUTH ELEVATION INTO THE JANKY WINDOW AND LEAVE IT AS ONE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY, SO, AND THEN THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          IT'S A TECHNICAL TERM. 
          OKAY. 
          , UH, DULY NOTED. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THIS ITEM BEFORE WE VOTE, REPEAT? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          YAP. 
          BECAUSE THE, THE RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT JIVE WITH THE PICTURE I'M SEEING. 
          RIGHT? CAN WE PUT THE WEST ELEVATION UP? SORRY SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER? I DON'T MIND. 
          SO I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THAT? SO IN THIS, IN, IN THE LOWER PICTURE, THERE WOULD ONLY BE THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL. 
          YOU LIKE, LIKE, LIKE YOU SEE ABOVE IF WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE RED ONLY THIS. 
          YEP. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IT'S TAKEN, THE WINDOW IS CHANGED FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND BROUGHT HERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS THING IS GONE. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          YEAH, THAT SIDING WOULD REMAIN WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE OF JANKY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY WANT TO HAVE THREE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          IF AT ALL POSSIBLE IF YOU COULD BE NEAR THE MICRON FOR THE TRANSCRIPTION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE NEED POINTERS. 
          CAN YOU, WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ALSO IF, IF WE'RE CHANGING EVERYTHING AROUND, DO WE NEED TO GET THIS RESUBMITTED? BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE TRIED TO DO THIS KIND OF THING AND WE'VE SAID YOU HAVE TO REFER, YOU HAVE TO RESUBMIT WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW WHAT YOU WANT. 
          I THINK AS WELL AS LONG AS LEGALLY, AS LONG AS WE CAN DEFINE IT WHAT IT IS WITH, WITH, IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, IF IT'S SIMPLE, I THINK IT CAN, IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT A APPROVAL. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD BE HAVING TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD JUST STAFF'S FINAL APPROVAL ON THE EXACT EVERYTHING IT'S DRAWING SHOW TWO WINDOWS, THEN SHE SAID SHE CHANGED HER MIND. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M HAPPY TO AMEND IT TO SAY THAT STAFF OR WHAT A FINAL APPROVAL FROM STAFF JUST ON THE FINAL DRAWING APPROVAL. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE SENT PEOPLE BACK THE SAME THING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THE RIGHT, OKAY. 
          WITH AMENDED WITH STAFF APPROVAL WOULD MEAN THAT IT COULD, IT COULD GO DIRECTLY BACK TO, TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND AND PRESUME APPROVAL WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION ANYWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AUGUST. 
          THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          YES. 
          AGREED. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE STAFF DID SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH ON THIS ONE. 
          SO LIKE THEY SAID THEY COULD CHANGE WINDOWS IN THE, LIKE THIS HAS A HARVARD STREET ELEVATION AND WE SAID SHE COULD ADD TWO WINDOWS TO IT IF SHE WANTED TO. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN PROJECTS WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO CHANGE THE FRONT DOOR OR SOMETHING AND WE SAID THEY COULDN'T DO IT. 
          THAT'S THE POINT OF VOTING. 
          STEPH, STEPH BRINGS US THINGS ALL THE TIME. 
          WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M VOTE FOR, GUESS I'M SAYING I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE RESUBMITTED BECAUSE IT'S TOO CONFUSING TO ME AND IT'S LIKE THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED ON THE FLY AND THE DRAWING SHOULD BE SUBMITTED AS, AS WHAT THE, THE, THE OWNER WANTS TO DO, RATHER THAN SAYING, I SHOW YOU THIS, BUT I WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          WE, WE AGREE. 
          I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED AGAIN WITH THE, TO BE CLEAR ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT'S DONE BEFORE IT'S DONE. 
          THE QUESTION I THINK NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION OR WHETHER THE STAFF CAN REVIEW IT BASED ON OUR, WHAT WE SAY OR TODAY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO US IN AUGUST. 
          THERE'S A MOTION, A SECOND AND  VOTE MOTION. 
          I, I THINK AGREED AND I, YEAH, I I'M JUST BRINGING UP MY CONCERNS. 
          I'M NOT SAYING YEAH, YOU'RE, WE SHOULD DECIDE IN THE VOTE WOULD YEAH, BUT YOU WANT THE PROPONENT RIGHT? I DIDN'T MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          COSTCO MADE THE MOTION AMENDED IT TO ALLOW STAFF TO APPROVE THE FINAL DRAWING. 
          AND I, I'M JUST STATING THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M NOT SAYING I'M A FOUR AGAINST THIS MOTION, BUT I'M JUST STATING THAT IF ONE CAN DESCRIBE AN OUTCOME IN CLEAR TERMS, IT CAN BE DONE VERBALLY. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          WE, WE, WE HAVE DONE THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO DO YOU AGREE IN MOVING THE HISTORIC WINDOW AND PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN ITS PLACE BECAUSE THE WEST ELEVATION EFFECTIVELY WILL NOT CHANGE AND THE WINDOW THAT IS THERE, OR APPARENTLY THE LACK THEREOF COULD BE REPAIRED AND LOOK JUST LIKE IT WILL LOOK WHEN THE WINDOW IS MOVED. 
          SO IT'S SIMPLY A QUESTION OF THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION, I HAVE A SECOND. 
          LET ME CALL THE, UH, ARE YOU, COULD WE RESTATE THE MOTION? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, THERE ARE SO MANY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WILL RESTATE THE MOTION. 
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I WILL. 
          IT'S TO ACCEPT THE PLAN. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHAIR BEFORE YOU RESTATE, PLEASE GO. 
          COMMISSIONER MCNE. 
          AND SO GIVEN THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA OFFER A PROFESSIONAL OPINION, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE MOTION AND THE LOSS OF HISTORIC MATERIALS ON THE SIDE FACING 18TH STREET THAT'S VISIBLE FROM A RIGHT OF WAY? YOU MEAN TO ADD THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS? YEAH. 
          UM, YOU'RE CARRYING OUT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW THERE. 
          WELL, I THINK I WOULD SAY, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, TYPICALLY GARAGES ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING. 
          SO THIS IS A RARE ONE OF TWO. 
          UM, I'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT BART WORKED ON AND I CAN ATTEST TO WORKING WITH MANY FOUND OBJECTS AND THINGS, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ASPECT OF THIS. 
          UM, BUT I, I GUESS I WOULD GIVE SOME DEFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A SECONDARY STRUCTURE, NOT THE PRIME RESIDENCE PERSONALLY, AND I'M, I'M NOT, UM, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT YOU'RE PROJECTING. 
          IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THIS STRUCTURE? BUT I DO NOTE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE IS A SIMILAR, IS A SIMILAR FENESTRATION PATTERN. 
          SO I, I I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE COMMISSION SEEMS TO BE CO COALESCING AROUND THE APPLICANT'S, UM, DESIRES WE HAD THAT WE HAD THAT, THAT STANDALONE PROJECT, RIVER OAKS WITH THE CAR, A GARAGE, LIKE A BIRDS PACO HOUSE AND WE LET 'EM CHANGE STUFF ON THE GARAGE. 
          SO, SO AT THIS TIME, I HAVE TO CALL THE VOTE THE MOTION. 
          ALICE DOES VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANT APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT ONLY ONE WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WILL BE CHANGED AND IT WILL BE MOVED FROM THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO THE CENTER ISH OF THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          AND THAT THE FINAL DRAWING BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND APPROVED BY STAFF AND APPROVED BY STAFF. 
          CLARIFY THE MOTION THAT THE, THAT THE CENTER ISH WINDOW IS THE EXACT EXISTING OPENING IS WHERE THAT WINDOW'S GONNA BE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN IT'S AS DRAWN IN THIS PICTURE THAT I'M LOOKING AT , I COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS QUITE IN THE CENTER JANKY. 
          THAT'S A CLARIFICATION, NOT AN AMENDMENT RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK YES, IT'S A CLARIFICATION, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK STAFF WELL LET, LET'S, LET'S ALL IN FAVOR? AYE FOR AYE. 
          A ALL OPPOSED NAY. 
          ARE THEY ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE GO TO OUR LAST ITEM ON THIS UNDER, UNDER EE 12, UH, 7 2 5 WEST COTTAGE STREET. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LILIENTHAL. 
          I SUBMIT ITEM E 12 AT 7 25 WEST CAUDA STREET IN NOR HILL. 
          FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION, ALTER THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC PORCH STEPS AND OVERHANG, EXCUSE ME, ADD A WINDOW OPENING ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND REPLACE NON HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          ALL WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC AND ADDITION WILL BE INSIDE AND RECESSED WITH A ONE OVER ONE LIGHT PATTERN, DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS. 
          THE REAR ADDITION WILL ADD 1,540 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. 
          THE FIRST FLOOR BEING 875, THE SECOND FLOOR BEING 665 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE REAR SETBACK IS FIVE FEET, TWO INCHES. 
          THE WEST SIDE SIDE SETBACK IS 16 FEET TWO AND A QUARTER INCH EAST SIDE SETBACK WILL BE 17 NINE AND THREE QUARTER INCHES. 
          THE REAR ADDITION WILL HAVE A MAX RIDGE HEIGHT OF 27 FEET, FIVE AND A QUARTER INCH WITH THE SIX OVER 12 ROOF PITCH COMPOSITION SHINGLES AND SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, VIRGINIA KELSEY AND LAWRENCE FIBO OF NORA HILL HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          THE OWNERS, MOLLY LEBLANC AND THOMAS LEBLANC ARE ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU JASON. 
          STAFF THERE ANY, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, COMMISSION. 
          IS THERE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          MR. MCNEIL. 
          UM, MR. LOWENTHAL LENTAL, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE 3D PICTURES OF THE ADDITION, IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE STUCCO TO ME. 
          WHAT I HEARD YOU JUST SAY IS THAT 
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IT'S CEMENTITIOUS SIDING IS SO IT IS GONNA BE, UM, HORIZONTAL SIDING, I MEAN, YEAH, HORIZONTAL S THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT WILL BE HORIZONTAL SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. 
          UH, CHAIR EK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER YAP. 
          UM, JASON, ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE COAI SEE THAT, UH, NOR HILL DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T SEE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE ATTACHMENT THAT THAT NORMALLY IS A LETTER THAT GOES, THAT STATES WHY OF THE PRESENTATION I HAVE THAT I HAVE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, ALL THE COMMENTS RECEIVED BY NOR HILL, THOSE IN OPPOSITION AS WELL AS IN SUPPORT, IT WILL BE IN YOUR PACKAGE. 
          YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END. 
          THE END IS THE CONTEXT OF THE, WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          NO, IT'S ONLY IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          MY, MY APOLOGIES. 
          IT'S ONLY IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE'RE SHOWING ONE OF THE COMMENTS. 
          NOW WE'LL GET IT LIVE. 
          I WAS JUST INFORMED BY LAWRENCE FIBO THAT THEY HAVE PRINTED OUT COPIES AND THEY CAN HAND THOSE OUT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANTED. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, THE FIRST SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, UH, LAWRENCE FIBO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, ESTEEMED COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE FOR THE OFFICIAL, UM, DECISION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WE'RE OVER 860 HOMES THAT WE CONSTITUTE ONE OF THE, WE THINK THE LAST AND LARGEST OF INVENTORIES OF INTACCT CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOWS. 
          UM, WE HAVE AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH A BOARD THAT OF ELECTED VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY, UH, THINGS SUCH AS ENRICHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND ACTIVITIES. 
          BUT WE ALSO ENFORCE OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, THAT'S ONE OF OUR MANY RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          BEING VOLUNTEERS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF, UM, SUBMISSIONS THAT GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. 
          AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BIRD DOG THIS. 
          UM, EITHER NEW PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CHOOSING TO IGNORE US OR DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY THREATEN US WITH LAWSUITS WELL BEFORE WE'VE EVER HAD A CHANCE TO RENDER A DECISION. 
          BOTH OF THOSE ACTIONS CHALLENGE OUR AUTHORITY. 
          GRANTED IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, THEY CAUSE US TO SPEND MONEY ON ATTORNEYS, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING. 
          IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT. 
          BUT, UM, ALSO TO THREATEN, UH, TO DISMANTLE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO TODAY SEVERAL, UH, TWO OF US ARE, ARE HERE TO OPPOSE 7 25 WEST COTTAGE AS PRESIDENT. 
          I'M HERE TO CONVEY THE MESSAGE THAT THE ASSOCIATION OPPOSES THE APPLICATION NOT BASED ON ANY SUBSTANCE, BUT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVAL FIRST. 
          UH, BECAUSE OF THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT RIPE FOR THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA. 
          WE ASK THAT YOU EITHER DEFER THE JUDGMENT BY ONE MONTH OR REJECT IT SO THAT THEY HAVE TIME TO BASICALLY SUBMIT THE PLANS AND COME BEFORE US. 
          OFFICIALLY, A DECLARATORY DECISION IN FAVOR OF NOR HILL WOULD SERVE TWO PURPOSES. 
          FIRST, IT WOULD REINFORCE OUR POSITION IN THE PROCESS TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, AND SECONDLY, IT WOULD ENFORCE FAIRNESS TO ALL OF THOSE WHO OBTAINED, UH, COAS THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS IN THE PAST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SECOND SPEAKER AS VIRGINIA KELSEY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          ALTHOUGH I AM A MEMBER OF THE NOR HILL BOARD, I'M NOT HERE IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          I'M HERE TODAY AS A RESIDENT OF NOR HILL. 
          UM, I'M ALSO, AS I SAID, A RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECT. 
          I REVIEWED THE PLANS ONLINE AS THE PLANS WERE NOT SUBMITTED TO NOR HILL. 
          UM, BY THE WAY, WE DID MEET IN APRIL WITH THE OWNER AND, UM, MADE THEM FULLY AWARE OF OUR POSITIONS. 
          AND SO THEY CANNOT CLAIM IGNORANCE OF THE PROCESS, NOR HILL IS LIKELY THE BEST, AS LAUREN SAID, LARGELY INTACT HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY. 
          Y'ALL NEED TO COME BY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY IN A WHILE. 
          UH, FAMILIAR YOURSELF WITH IT. 
          UH, NOR HILL WAS ORIGINALLY SINGLE STORY SIMPLE BUNGALOWS WITH ONLY A FEW, TWO 
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STORY FOUR SQUARES OF THE CORNER. 
          THERE HAS BEEN TWO STORY ADDITIONS OVER THE YEARS, BUT THERE HAS NOW A LOT OF PRESSURE TO BUILD INCREASINGLY LARGER ADDITIONS AS OTHER AREAS OF THE HEIGHTS HAVE GOTTEN BUILT OUT. 
          EVEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS, THE FAR FOR ALL PROPERTIES IN NOR HILL IS 0.30. 
          WITH THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 1482, THE FAR OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE FOR 7 25. 
          UM, WEST COTTAGE IS WOULD BE 0.47. 
          THE ADDITION IS 139% OF THE EXISTING HOME FOR TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2,645. 
          THERE IS A CONSENSUS AMONG MANY OF THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE ON THE BOARD THAT IN ADDITION SHOULD NOT BE GREATER THAN 90% OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          NEW DEVELOPMENT MUST AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT NOT TO THE POINT THAT THE CHARACTER OF NOR HILL CHANGES. 
          WE DO NOT WANT TO BE WOODLAND HEIGHTS. 
          IT TIME MOVE TO EXTEND. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          PLEASE PROCEED. 
          IF THE ADDITION WERE 90% OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT WOULD MEAN A 995 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION OR A 2100 SQUARE FOOT HOME WITH A FAR A 0.37. 
          IN OUR OPINION, MY OPINION, UM, AND MANY OTHERS, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE UPPER LIMIT FOR THE HOME. 
          THERE'S A SECOND POINT. 
          THE SECOND FLOOR EXTENDS BACK TO SOMETHING LIKE 16 OR 17 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          THAT EXACT DIMENSION WAS NOT MENTIONED ON THE PLANS. 
          HOUSES THAT ONCE HAD PRIVACY IN THEIR BACKYARDS AND ABSOLUTE LUXURY IN HOUSTON AND A HALLMARK OF NOR HILL NOW HAVE NEIGHBORS PEERING IN THEIR BACKYARDS. 
          THEIR PRIVACY LIGHT AND SENSE OF PLACE IS DISRUPTED. 
          A CONSENSUS HAS BEEN BUILT AMONG MANY RESIDENTS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION SHOULD BE 25 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          THE HOMEOWNER WAS AWARE OF THIS DESIRE THAT WE HAVE STATED THE OWNER WAS MADE OF THIS DESIRE AND HAS CHOSEN TO IGNORE IT. 
          MY PLEA IS THAT THE HA HC APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE NOT ONLY OF THE FRONT CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO THE BACKYARD AND THE PRIVACY THAT THAT AFFORDS AND MY INSIGHT AS A BOARD MEMBER AS THAT THIS PROJECT AS STATED WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM. 
          UM, THE NEXT SIGNUP SPEAKER IS MOLLY LEBLANC. 
          MY NAME IS MOLLY LEBLANC AND I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT 7 2 5 WEST COTTAGE. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THIS HOME LAST YEAR AND QUICKLY FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS ADORABLE COTTAGE IN NOR HILL BEFORE PURCHASING. 
          I DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDING AN ADDITION. 
          I REVIEWED THE NOR HILL DEED RESTRICTIONS, REVIEWED HA HCS APPROVAL CRITERIA AND, UH, MULTIPLE CHECKLISTS VALIDATED IF NOR HILL'S DESIGN GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, WHICH I QUICKLY DISCOVERED THEY ARE NOT ADOPTED, NOR DO THEY SUGGEST ANY FAR OR LOT COVERAGE GUIDANCE, JUST SUGGESTING TYPICAL OR TRADITIONAL, UM, SUGGESTIONS. 
          I ALSO CHECKED THE NOR HILL INVENTORY DOCUMENT FOR THE COTTAGE'S CONTRIBUTING STATUS AND WALKED AROUND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC BLOCKS. 
          OUR IMMEDIATE OBSERVATION IS THAT SEVERAL TWO-STORY HOMES NEARBY WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          I FOUND THEIR APPROVED COA PLANE PLANS ON THE HISTORIC TRACKER SITE. 
          ONE WAS 2,600 SQUARE FEET, TWO WERE OVER 3000. 
          ONE EVEN INCLUDED A BASEMENT MAKING IT A THREE STORY ADDITION. 
          ALSO, 67 12 OF THE 18 HOMES ON THE 700 BLOCK OF WEST COTTAGE ARE EITHER TWO STORIES AND OR INCLUDE A GARAGE APARTMENT. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REMAINING HOMES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDED ONTO ON OUR BLOCK. 
          WE ALSO OBTAINED THE TAX HISTORY FROM THE CITY. 
          WE ARE THE 12TH HOMEOWNER. 
          MOST PRIOR HOMEOWNERS STAYED FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS SINCE THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT. 
          WE THEN DISCOVERED THE SANDBORN MAPS AND ATTEMPTED TO FIND ORIGINAL PHOTOS OR FLOOR PLANS FROM OUR, FROM OLD CATALOGS. 
          AFTER THIS RESEARCH, WE FELT THIS AREA WAS THE RIGHT HOME FOR US. 
          WE DEVELOPED A TWO STORY ADDITION CONCEPT THAT PRESERVED THE ORIGINAL HOME STRUCTURE, ALL FOUR CORNERS, A SIZABLE BACKYARD REMAINS, AS WELL AS MINIMIZING INTRUS INTRUSION ON THE NEIGHBORS BY PUTTING THE ADDITION IN THE CENTER OF THE THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO ON THE THE SIDE ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBOR. 
          WE THEN CONTACTED HAAC FOR OUR 
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INITIAL CONSORT CONSULT AND LEARNED A GREAT DEAL MORE ON WHAT TO CONSIDER. 
          MOTION FOR MORE TIME. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND COSGROVE SECONDS. 
          UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          FOR OKAY. 
          PLEASE PROCEED. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          WE WERE EXCITED TO ENGAGE THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE OUR CONCEPT THAT SUGGESTED ONLINE. 
          MY HUSBAND WORKED DIRECTLY WITH A NOR HILL DEED RESTRICTION VP ON OUR ARCHITECT'S DESIGN CONCEPT BY INITIATING EMAIL CONTACT EARLY ON. 
          WE WERE INCREDIBLY LET DOWN WITH THE LACK OF FEEDBACK AND PORT A QUORUM OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ISSUING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL OPINIONS MAKING IT APPEAR THAT THIS WAS REPRESENTED BY THE ENTIRE NOR HILL COMMUNITY. 
          NOR DID THIS REPRESENT DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THIS DID NOT REPRESENT HAAC CRITERIA NOR THE NOT ADOPTED NOR HILL DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          THE OFFLINE ENGAGEMENT WAS VERY DISHEARTENING AND HONESTLY HOSTILE. 
          THEY REFUSED TO CONSIDER OUR DESIGN CONCEPT EDITION, ATTEMPTED TO REDESIGN THE PLANS AND ULTIMATELY DISRESPECTED OUR DECISION TO PURCHASE A HOME IN NOR HILL AND CONSIDER ANY SORT OF IMPROVEMENT, UH, IN, IN HOUSTON. 
          TO CONCLUDE, NOTHING IN WRITING TO DATE WAS EVER COMMUNICATED TO US ABOUT OUR PLANS, APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL NOR A PATH FORWARD. 
          WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY AS THE DOCUMENT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN ANY SORT OF WRITTEN COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE PLANS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. 
          HISTORIC COMMITTEE. 
          AS THE HOMEOWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY, MY HUSBAND AND I FEEL WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO PROPOSE PLANS THAT BOTH RETURN AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF 7 2 5 WEST COTTAGE AS WELL AS THE NOR HILL COMMUNITY. 
          WE DID PROPER PRE-ENGAGEMENT WITH BOTH NNA AND HAHC. 
          NOR HILL WAS CREATED FOR THE HOUSTON WORKING CLASS FAMILIES. 
          AND WE BELIEVE THESE PLANS FOR OUR INVESTMENT INTO NOR HILL WILL END THE TURNOVER OF THIS HOME AND HAVE OUR OURSELVES AND MULTIPLE FAMILIES AFTER US STAY MORE THAN JUST TWO YEARS TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES. 
          THIS IS NOT WOODLAND HEIGHTS, THIS IS NOR HILL. 
          AND WE, UH, BELIEVE THAT OUR PLANS WILL GREATLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BE IN HARMONY WITH THE OUR BLOCK, ESPECIALLY. 
          THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IMPROVED GREATLY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS, IS THOMAS LEBLANC. 
          HI, MY NAME IS THOMAS LEBLANC. 
          I'M ALSO THE HOMEOWNER AT 7 2 5 WEST COTTAGE. 
          UM, TO START OFF, WE ABSOLUTELY DID ATTEMPT TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S APPROVAL. 
          I SUBMITTED DRAWINGS TO BRIAN, THE VP OF THE RESTRICTIONS AT NOR HILL ON MARCH 29TH. 
          UM, THAT WAS MY ATTEMPT TO GET APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING ON AROUND APRIL 19TH. 
          UM, AS MY WIFE SAID, NOR HILL DOES NOT SPECIFY TO FAR IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OR IN THE UNAPPROVED GUIDELINES. 
          THIS WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION DURING OUR DESIGN PROCESS WITH OUR ARCHITECT. 
          THE GUIDELINES DO, HOWEVER, SPECIFIES A LOT COVERAGE OF 35 TO 40%. 
          OUR FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT IS 1,980 SQUARE FEET ON A 5,600 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHICH IS AROUND 35%. 
          SO WE DO FALL INTO THAT, THAT GUIDELINE. 
          UM, THE, I SUBMITTED OUR PLANS. 
          WE HAD AN IN-PERSON MEETING. 
          IN ATTENDANCE WAS THE NOR HILL PRESIDENT, THE VP OF D RESTRICTIONS TO BOARD MEMBERS. 
          MYSELF AND MY ARCHITECT. 
          ONE BOARD MEMBER POINT BLAKE TOLD ME THEY WOULD NEVER APPROVE MY PROJECT. 
          THAT IS A LITTLE DISHEARTENING TO HEAR AFTER PURCHASING A HOME, UM, A VERY SMALL HOME AT A VERY HIGH PRICE, AND THEN SPENDING TIME AND MONEY DESIGNING AN ADDITION. 
          UM, I WAS GIVEN SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO COMPLETELY DESI REDESIGN OUR HOME AND WHAT A PROPER BUNGALOW INTERIOR SHOULD BE. 
          BUT I WAS NEVER GIVEN CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK ON ACTUALLY HOW TO PROCEED. 
          UM, STILL TO THIS DAY, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. 
          THIS LETTER FROM BRIAN IS THE FIRST IT, WHICH TECHNICALLY VIOLATES LINE ITEM 12 OF NOR HILL'S DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, THE MEETING WAS ACTUALLY, AS MY WIFE SAID, IT WAS OVERWHELMING AND UNNECESSARILY HEATED AT TIMES FOR MYSELF. 
          UM, NOR HILL APPEARS TO BE A VERY RENTER FENCE FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SMALLER HOMES, WHICH CAN BE A NEGATIVE IN CITIES. 
          THE MORE RENTERS, UM, IT KIND OF ALLOWS FOR HOMES TO DETERIORATE OVER TIME. 
          UM, THE SMALL HOMES ARE QUAINT, BUT IN THE LONG RUN, THESE HOMES NEED TO BE RENOVATED, CARED FOR AND LOVED. 
          UM, AND THAT IS ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC EITHER IN THE, IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CHAIRPERSON EK? YES. 
          STAFFPERSON JASON. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM NOR HILL. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TIME TO REBUTTAL IF THAT IS OKAY WITH COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
          [02:55:01]
I JUST HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION. 
          I THINK, UM, I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT WE THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          UM, SO, BUT I MEAN THIS SEEMS TO BE A DISPUTE BETWEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANT AND WHERE DOES, I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT FALLS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. 
          WE HAVE AN APPLICATION TO CONSIDER AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT ON ITS MERITS BASED ON THE, ON THE ORDINANCE AND THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND ALL THAT ON THEIR OWN TIME. 
          THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND THE GUIDELINES HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO IT IS UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE THE DECISION. 
          AND I GUESS I FEEL LIKE BASED ON THE APPLICATION, THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED. 
          I I DON'T THINK WE CAN INSERT OURSELVES INTO THE, HE SAID, SHE SAID ABOUT WHETHER THESE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED OR APPROVED OR WHATEVER. 
          WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND MAKE A DECISION. 
          YOU HAVE A APPLICATION THAT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA AND STAFF HAS APPROVED IT. 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD LOOKING ADDITION COMPARATIVELY TO THE OTHER STUFF I JUST SAW ON GOOGLE MAPS  THE APPLICATION. 
          WELL, CONVERSELY THOUGH, UM, THE APPLICANTS, WHATEVER THIS COMMISSION DOES, THE APPLICANT STILL HAS TO GET THE APPROVAL OF NOR HEAD TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PERMIT. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF, UM, IT'S UM, THIS IS SORT OF A TWO-PRONG PROTRACTED, UM, UM, QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, SO IF WE APPROVE IT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF NOR HEALTH BEFORE THEY CAN GET A PERMIT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET A, A PERMIT FROM THE CITY OF HOUSTON WITHOUT AN AFFIDAVIT THAT SAYS THAT YOU'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          AND IF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, THEN THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, SO WE JUST NEED TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. 
          LIKE THE QUESTION AT HAND IS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ALLOW NOEL TO INJECT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE THIS COMMISSION MAKES THEIR DETERMINATION? I, I WOULD SAY NO. 
          NOT, I MEAN, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT. 
          PEOPLE TALK. 
          WE DON'T LET EVERYONE IS YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ALLOWING TIME FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE NOW TO SPEAK AGAIN? Y YES. 
          JUST SO THAT WE MAY MOVE ON AND MAKE OUR DETERMINATION THIS COMMISSION. 
          NO, I MEAN, I, I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT ANYONE HERE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE SUBJECT IS BE ALLOWED TO AT THIS POINT, EVEN IF THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKEN BEFORE WE VOTE, CAN WE VOTE ON THAT? IF YOU'RE GONNA LET NOR HILL SPEAK AGAIN, THEN THE HOMEOWNERS NEED TO THEN BE ABLE TO REBUT WHAT NOR HILL SAYS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN HOW LONG DO WE ALLOW THE CONVERSATION TO GO BACK AND FORTH? YOU CAN LIMIT THE . 
          I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT. 
          I'D SAY WITHIN A MINUTE TIMEFRAME. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I I MAKE A MOTION AMENDMENT, WHOEVER MADE IT ALLOW ONE MINUTE FOR NOR HILL TO REBUT AND THEN ONE MINUTE FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO REBUT. 
          AND THAT'S THE END OF THE CONVERSATION AND WE VOTE ON THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          IT ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION? AYE. 
          AYE FOR AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE, UH, AT 1131 EAST 11TH, UM, GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS IMPORTANT AND IT WAS RELEVANT TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT DISPUTING OUR CLAIM THAT THEY DID NOT COME BEFORE US OFFICIALLY. 
          THEY DID HAVE A PRE, UH, APPROVAL MEETING THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN YOU GUYS HAVE THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND UM, THAT WAS ON APRIL 19TH AND WE'RE NOT DISPUTING THAT WE DID MEET WITH 'EM. 
          I WOULD DISPUTE SOME OF THE SLANDEROUS COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE MADE ABOUT OUR CHARACTER. 
          UM, BUT OUR, AND TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THOSE SPEAK TO HARMONY. 
          IT IS TRUE THAT THEY ARE NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVED, BUT WE USE THAT AS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE ON WHAT WE WANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND WHAT WE THINK IS, UM, IN HARM HARMONIOUS. 
          SO IT IS INTERESTING. 
          I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NO DISPUTE BY THE HOMEOWNER THAT THEY DID NOT OFFICIALLY SUBMIT AND GET OUR APPROVAL, WHICH IS REQUIRED TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WHICH OF THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN REBUTTAL? THOMAS, MYSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE PROCEED SIR. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THAT, I, I GUESS IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT AND THEY SAY NO AT WHAT, AT WHAT POINT DO I JUST GIVE UP, I GUESS, OR IT, IT'S, WHO'S GONNA WORK WITH ME HERE IS NOR HILL GONNA COME BACK AND BASICALLY CONTINUE TO SAY NO. 
          AS THEY SAID BEFORE, I DID FOLLOW SOME OF THEIR GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AGAIN, A LOT THAT I'M HEARING FROM NOR HILL IS JUST PERSONAL OPINION. 
          IT'S NOT FACTUAL, IT'S NOT BASED ON ANYTHING. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT WHAT I CAN DO IN MY PROPERTY IS BASED ON THEIR OPINION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES AND I FEEL THAT I AM FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT APPROVED. 
          UM, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AGAIN, SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. 
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SO IT, I I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FROM HERE. 
          I GUESS I'LL REACH OUT TO JASON TOMORROW TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UM, TURN IT BACK TO COMMISSION IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE OVERRIDING, UM, I FORGOT THE WORD IN THE DE IN IN THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH HARMONY. 
          MR. SAVI HAS A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. 
          PLEASE PROCEED. 
          I DID NOTICE THAT THE WINDOW, UH, FENESTRATION HAS BEEN CHANGED ON THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          UH, WHY WAS THAT APPROVED? BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE, WE'VE, UH, DECLINED, UH, BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE FENESTRATION. 
          SO, UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT, UH, WAS OKAY, UH, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? THIS IS STAFFERS. 
          JASON, TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SAVA, IS THAT CHANGE THERE ON THE EAST ELEVATION? AS I HAD MENTIONED IN MY OPENING STATEMENT, WAS THAT IS STARTING AT THE CENTER OF THAT EAST ELEVATION AND GOING TOWARDS THE REAR. 
          AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE SEEN THAT IF IT'S STARTING AT THAT MIDWAY POINT TOWARDS THE REAR, WE ARE MORE LIKELY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR A CHANGE IN FENESTRATION. 
          YEAH, I GOT THAT PART, BUT, UH, BUT THE GLASS BLOCK REPRESENTS A BATHROOM WINDOW, WHICH SHOULD BEEN REPLACED RECENTLY REPLACED, BUT THE, BUT THE OPENING IS ORIGINAL. 
          WAS THAT A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER STAAVA? YES. 
          UH, BECAUSE NORMALLY WE, WE, WE TEND TO KEEP THE, UH, HISTORICAL FEATURES OR THE DEMONSTRATION, UH, INTACT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THAT. 
          I WAS STRUGGLING WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DO KNOW THAT ALL THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION DOES SAY THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS, INCLUDING THAT GLASS BLOCK, ARE NON HISTORIC AND THAT THEY WILL BE REPLACED WITH ONE WINDOWS NOW TO THAT GLASS BLOCK. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WILL BE OF THE SAME DIMENSION ACCORDING TO THE WINDOW WORKSHEET, BUT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I CONFIRM THAT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, BEEN A BIG WINDOW IN ITS PLACE, LIKE A DOUBLE WINDOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HE IS SUPPOSED TO ENLARGE THAT IMAGE. 
          PHOTOS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVA? YES, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THAT IS GONNA ACTUALLY BE A LARGER OPENING WITH A DOUBLE PAIR OF WINDOWS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, I AGREE TO THAT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, OKAY. 
          ALSO, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. 
          DID NEW WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE SMALLER THAN THE EXISTING WINDOWS? CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MORE TO THE SCALE OF MY PUTTING IN THE PROPOSED ON THE STAFF REPORT. 
          I DO BELIEVE HAVE, THERE'S A WINDOW WORKSHEET. 
          ROMAN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT. 
          SO JASON, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMMENT BACK? SO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA REPLACED WITH IS A 32 INCH BY 64 INCH. 
          SO THE, THE BATHROOM WINDOW LOOK, THE, 
          [03:05:01]
THE BATHROOM WINDOW LOOKS LIKE THE BATHROOM WINDOW. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S, UH, 63 BY SIX. 
          YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. 
          IS THERE A PICTURE CAN WE PUT UP OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN THE FRONT AS WELL? SURE. 
          SO JASON, CAN YOU COMMENT ON LIKE, THESE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE CURRENT IMAGES ARE, IS THE WINDOW OPENING SIZE REMAINING THE SAME? AND LIKE WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE, WHAT IS IN THAT WINDOW? CURRENTLY ON THE FRONT, I'M TRYING TO FIND A FLOOR PLAN THAT WILL HAVE THOSE WINDOWS NUMBERED. 
          I CAN SPEAK ON THIS IF I'M ALLOWED. 
          ON PAGE 12 OF THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN THAT HAS THE EXISTING AND THEY'RE NUMBERED. 
          IT'S TWO INCH SHORTER. 
          IT'S, UH, THE W 64 IS 32 BY 64, AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS IS 32 BY 66 ORIGINAL ON THE WINDOW WORKSHEET. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE WINDOW OPENING SIZE IS ROMAN. 
          THE, BECAUSE THE GLASS IS BROKEN. 
          WINDOW IS INOPERABLE, RAIL IS ROTTEN AND FRAME IS BROKEN. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER JUST, WE DIDN'T PICK UP, UH, AS FAR AS THE FRONT ELEVATION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO, WE SHARED A, A LITTLE EARLIER, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE NON-ORIGINAL. 
          AND IF JUST TICKING, IF, IF I CAN, UH, COULD YOU TAKE US BACK TO THAT FRONT PHOTOS? UH, SO IT'D BE UP, UP, HIGHER UP IN THE REPORT. 
          I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF ZOOMING IN HERE, IT'S MOST LIKELY THAT THESE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE LARGER THAN THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS TWO. 
          NOW, WHETHER 32 BY 64 THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY WHAT A, AN ORIGINAL WINDOW WOULD'VE BEEN. 
          I'M NOT A, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT I BET COMMISSIONER MCNEIL KNOWS TYPICALLY, UH, I MEAN IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE LIKE A DOUBLE UNIT AND THEY REPLACED, BUT THE BUNGALOW WOULD'VE HAD TWO SINGLE WINDOWS WITH A BIG YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THEY JUST REPLACED HIM WITH SOMETHING THAT FIT THE WHOLE OPENING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY DID. 
          NOW THEY WANT TO GO BACK. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING WITH THE CORRECT TRIM, WITH THE ORIGINAL SIZE WINDOW AND IT'S JUST A, AN OPTICAL THING. 
          YES. 
          I THINK THE FRONT WINDOW ARE, ARE GOOD. 
          THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES THE BATHROOM WINDOW. 
          YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE GLASS BLOCK WINDOW AND DO YOU ALLOW THEM TO PUT A DOUBLE, A TWO WINDOW IN PLACE OF THAT OR THAT GLASS BLOCK WINDOW, WHICH IS NON-ORIGINAL? OKAY, SO THAT'S THE WINDOW, UH, ASPECT OF THIS. 
          I THINK THE, THE OVERALL ISSUE WITH THE ADDITION, I THINK FOR THIS, THIS REVIEW IS, IS BACK TO THE, THE CONTEXT AREA. 
          THE ADDITIONS IN NOR HILL HAVE GENERALLY BEEN SMALLER, UH, PROPORTIONATE, UH, THAN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE HOMES IN NOR HILL ARE FRANKLY NOT AS TALL AS THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS OR THE HEIGHTS, IF, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET, THE, THESE, THESE HOMES ARE SLIGHTLY MORE DIMINUTIVE IN THEIR FRONT. 
          SO, UM, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS ITEM? YES. 
          YES I DO. 
          COMMISSIONER YAP. 
          UH, CHAIR BUCH. 
          UH, BEFORE WE RECEIVE THE EMAIL ABOUT THE, THE REMOVAL OF SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS FOR TODAY, UH, I DID MANAGE TO REVIEW ITEM E FIVE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DISCUSS E FIVE IN, IN I KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. 
          MY THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS ABOUT, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MASSING, RIGHT? UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT WAS SLATED FOR APPROVAL AND THAT STRUCTURE LOOKED BIGGER THAN THIS ONE. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A REFERENCE POINT OF, BECAUSE, UH, WOODLAND, UH, UH, NORTH HILL DOES NOT HAVE MEASURABLE STANDARDS LIKE, LIKE THE HEIGHTS YET. 
          I SEE. 
          AND I ACTUALLY MARK IT DOWN ON MY AGENDA. 
          I SEE A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          BEFORE WE EVEN CAME TO THIS COMMISSION, 
          [03:10:01]
THAT ONE HAD NO HILL OBJECTION AND ONE DIDN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION, BUT ONE WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WAS HUGE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING HERE IS WHAT DO WE HERE THINK ABOUT AS MASSING ISSUE? UH, AS YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M, AS ALL THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW, I'M ONE OF THE MORE CONSERVATIVE ONES AND I, AND MASSING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR ME KIND OF THING. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE YOUR TEAM REVIEWED 1 1 7 PETTY PETTY. 
          OKAY, SO WHY WAS THAT APPROVED? I THINK I CAN SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON THAT. 
          PETTY WAS, WHICH WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, UH, AFTER THEY SAW THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN THAT CASE WOULD'VE BEEN A, UH, A DENIAL. 
          AND, UH, THE REVIEW OF THAT, IT WAS FELL TO ME. 
          AND, UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAT DOWN TO WRITE THE REPORT FOR THE CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE FOUR CRITERIA, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT, UH, SUCH THAT THAT, UH, THAT STRUCTURE WASN'T GONNA MEET THAT THRESHOLD. 
          THE SIMILARITY BETWEEN THAT APPLICATION, WHICH WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE OR DISCUSS, AND IT JUST USING AS A REFERENCE POINT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S A REFERENCE, UH, IS THAT HERE, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP HERE, HERE'S YOUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF AN, OF AN ADDITIONAL ALTERATION. 
          AND 10 AND 11 ARE WHERE THERE'S A SIMILARITY. 
          AND IT'S THIS, THIS THE LANGUAGE OF, UM, THE CONTEXT AREA, BUT ESPECIALLY I THINK IT'S 11 HERE, SIMILAR ELEMENTS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA, THE, THE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, KEY IT ACTUALLY, THE OTHER ONE HAS EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE. 
          BUT HERE, SO CONTEXT AREA IS LEGALLY DEFINED. 
          CONTEXT AREA MEANS THE BLOCK FACE, NOT THE DISTRICT BY OUR CITY ORDINANCE DEFINITION. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          SO, AND JASON AND I REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION TOGETHER AND THE CONTEXT AREA AS WE AS HE, THE FOUR CONTEXT PHOTOS THAT WE DISPLAYED EARLIER, THERE ARE TWO STORY STRUCTURES IN THE CONTEXT AREA OF THIS EDITION. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SHEDDING ANY LIGHT, BUT, UH, THE, THE POINT IS THAT THERE'S, THAT'S UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS APPLICATION AND REVIEWED IT AS STAFF, THE ADDITION SEEMED TO MEET THE CRITERIA GIVEN THAT THE CONTEXT AREA HERE HAD SOME TWO STORY STRUCTURES AS WE, WE CAN PULL THEM BACK UP IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THOSE TWO STORY CONTRIBUTING, THEY'RE JUST A FEW PAGES DOWN. 
          THOSE, UM, THOSE ARE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING, THAT ARE TWO STORIES THAT ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT AREA. 
          AND WE, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH A, SO WE'VE, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S EASY TO STEP TOWARDS THE WHOLE DISTRICT FOR YOUR CONTEXT AREA, BUT WE HAD, WE DO HAVE A, THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT NARROWS IT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THAT BLOCK. 
          MR. MCNEIL AND, OH, UH, SORRY, I DUNNO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THE HOUSE HAS BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED, RIGHT? IT MEETS ALL THE GUIDELINES. 
          STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ACROSS THE STREET IS THIS HOUSE HERE, WHICH IS SEVEN 20, WHICH IS LARGER ADDITION WISE THAN WHAT NOR HILL IS SAYING. 
          THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD DENY SEVEN 20. 
          BUT I, THE, THE DISPUTE SEEMS TO BE BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNER AND THE, AND THE, UM, THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION AT SEVEN 18 OR SEVEN 16 THAT'S EVEN BIGGER. 
          I, I THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW NOR HILL AND THE OWNER TO RESOLVE THEIR DIFFERENCES, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY GET A PERMIT. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE MOTION TO SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. 
          I OPPOSE IT. 
          NAY YAP. 
          AND COLUMN OPPOSED NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER STAAVA OPPOSES AS WELL. 
          THREE OPPOSES. 
          ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES AND I GUESS WE'LL SEE IF WE SEE THIS AGAIN, SO, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON TO ITEM F COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          [03:15:06]
OKAY. 
          NOT HEARING ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          ARE THERE ITEM G ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC? YES, I DO, BUT I WOULD READ US THEN AT THE PODIUM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          PLEASE, WHILE HE'S MOVING, MAY I ASK ROMAN OR ASK WHEN WILL B GLENBROOK VALLEY HAVE DESIGNED GUIDELINES? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WILL GET YOU A STATUS ON THAT MORE HOW PAINT DO IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I GOT A GUN. 
          COMMISSIONER YAPP. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK TWO SESSIONS AGO. 
          I STOOD BEFORE YOU HERE AS WELL. 
          UH, WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT UP OUR, UH, DISPARITY ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAXES SINCE THEN. 
          UH, AND I TOOK SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, UH, UH, PROFESSIONALLY TO HARD AND WORK IT OUT THROUGH WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, IT WAS REALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CAME TOGETHER. 
          AND BOTTOM LINE, WE FOUND OUT THAT H CAT HAD ERRONEOUSLY USED ONE PROPERTY, UH, TO PROPAGATE THE ENTIRE, UH, VALUE, UH, WITH THAT ONE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE ISSUE WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, TWO PROPERTIES THAT WERE SOLD SEPARATELY, BUT HCAT GOT THE INFO WRONG. 
          AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PUT THE PRICE OF TWO PROPERTIES INTO JUST ONE PROPERTY, AND THAT MADE IT TO 110. 
          AND WE WERE ALL SHOCKED. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY WENT UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND ALL THE WAY TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF HCAT, UH, AND HCAT GOOD FOR THEM THAT THEY HAD THIS TOP DOWN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY, WE SUBMITTED THE, UH, CLOSING STATEMENTS OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH EACH INDIVIDUAL PRICE, AND HE ACTUALLY TOOK IT DOWN TO HIS PRINCIPLES. 
          UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT, UH, WE GOT A CALL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. 
          THE, THE LEAD PRINCIPAL ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS THIS ISSUE. 
          UH, THEY ARE WORKING TO CORRECT IT, AND IT IMPACTED 600 OVER PLUS NEIGHBORS HOUSES, PROPERTIES, AND THE VALUE WAS TAKEN DOWN FROM ONE 10 TO 60. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THIS WAS AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD EFFORT, THE FIRST WARD NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ALL WERE, UH, STANDING BEHIND. 
          AND I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, ANYBODY WHO IS LISTENING IN TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THE H CAT DO MAKE MISTAKES IS WHAT I, I'M SAYING, AND YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR IT TO GET THAT CORRECTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MCNEIL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT IT, BUT, BUT TO CONTINUALLY PUT IN THE POSITION OF, UM, GIVING FORGIVENESS TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T PULL A PERMIT AND DON'T GET A COA AND THEN PAINT AND PUT UP AWNINGS AND PUT IN WINDOWS AND DOORS IS SUPER FRUSTRATING WHEN PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WHETHER IT'S COTTAGE STREET, WHERE THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND GET EVERYTHING CORRECT BEFORE RIGHT. 
          AND THEY STRUGGLE AND GO THROUGH, AND I DON'T THINK, WITHOUT ALLOWING US TO LEVY FINES THAT WE HAVE ANY OTHER HAMMER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM, JUST DO IT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK IN AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          MAYBE CALL THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO, PLEASE SOMEBODY LET ME KNOW WHAT PERSONALLY I CAN DO TO HELP, UM, ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM OF PEOPLE JUST DOING WORK WITHOUT A COA AND THEN SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAKE, YOU KNOW, I ONLY HAVE TO REMOVE THE PAINT. 
          I GOT AWAY WITH THE AWNING AND I GOT AWAY THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS AND ALL THAT THAT THOSE PEOPLE GOT AWAY WITH ON 11TH STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, I KEEP ASKING THE LEGAL COUNSEL WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE FINES AND GET EVASIVE ANSWERS. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          I I DON'T THINK UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES THAT WE'RE GONNA GET COMPLIANCE TO AGAIN, TO THE, WE DON'T GET AN ANSWER ABOUT THE STATUS OF THIS. 
          WE SAID, OH, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT NO ONE'S ACTUALLY GONNA DO IT. 
          AND TO ADD TO THE WALL AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, WE ARE BURDENING PETE STOCKTON, UH, HE IS ONE OF THE LAWS OF HIS KIND, BASICALLY. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE HAVING HIM TO PULL HIM OUT TO VISIT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I GUESS TULANE LIKE FIVE TIMES. 
          AND, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AND POOR, POOR PETE, HE JUST HAD A BACK SURGERY TOO. 
          SO TO ME, I WAS 
          [03:20:01]
JUST ASKING PETE, I SAID, WHY DON'T YOU GROOM TWO OF YOUR SENIOR STRUCTURAL INSPECTORS TO BECOME HISTORIC FRIENDLY AS WELL? BECAUSE I SEE THIS, THIS SHENANIGAN IS ON THE RISE. 
          ACTUALLY, WE HAVE MORE AND MORE COMING IN THAT WAY. 
          BASICALLY, IT'S NOT HELPING ANYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY WISDOM. 
          UM, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS DOESN'T PERTAIN SPECIFICALLY TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT IT DOES TO OTHER ISSUES SIMILAR, LIKE BARS OPENING UP OR PEOPLE PLANNING COMMISSION SEES THINGS SIMILAR. 
          THAT THERE IS, UM, STATE LAW LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN CHARGE, YOU KNOW, THE FINES AND IT'S, IT, WE CAN'T GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. 
          WE CAN'T EVEN, WE CAN'T SHUT DOWN BUSINESSES THAT UNLESS IT'S A HEALTH LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          SO THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO WORK UNDER. 
          AND WE, WE, PEOPLE DO GET ISSUED FINES. 
          THEY'RE SMALL AND THEY'LL EITHER PAY THEM OR NOT. 
          UM, THE PROCESS IS, UM, ONCE WE GET A RED TAG AND AN INSPECTOR VECTOR ISSUES A RED TAG, THEY GO OUT ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS TO, UM, ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE BEGIN THE PROCESS OF COMING IN, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, RESOLVE THE ISSUE. 
          IT'S A FRUSTRATING PROCESS AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHY THERE ARE MORE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THERE'S MORE AND THERE'LL BE MORE COMING. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S THIS, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF EVERYTHING. 
          SO IF THERE WAS A WAY  TO MAKE IT BETTER, WE'D BE RIGHT ON IT. 
          UM, FINE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THEY GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO AFTER SO MANY, AFTER SO MANY RED TAGS, THEN A CITATION WILL BE ISSUED, RIGHT? AND THEN THEY GO TO COURT AND THEN EITHER THE COURT SAYS, OH, GIVE THEM MORE TIME OR DO WHATEVER. 
          AND, AND SO IT'S OUR DISMISS THE DA DISMISSES IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TIME, UH, UH, THERE ARE, UH, FINE LIMITS. 
          DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF WE'RE AT THOSE LIMITS? NO. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE LIMIT IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY ON, ON A RED TAG THAT GOES ON UN UH, UNANSWERED UNDEALT WITH, ARE WE THERE? DO WE KNOW IF WE'RE AT THE STATE MANDATED MAXIMUM LIMITS FOR, FOR THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW? YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE, I THINK WE DO CHARGE THE AMOUNT, THE MAXIMUM. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WONDERED. 
          SO WE CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER IS WHAT? HIRE WITHOUT THIS STATEMENT, LEGISLATURE APPROV IT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE THERE. 
          WERE THERE, YEP. 
          BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP THE BAD ACTORS FROM DOING, I'M JUST SAYING HH C BEING ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE LIKE THIS BUSINESS DEVELOPER WHO BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND THEN JUST PAINTS IT, GETS A PERMIT FOR AN INTERIOR REMODEL AND THEN DOES THE COMPLETE EXTERIOR PAINTS. 
          IT COMES IN HERE AND KIND OF WHEN YOU ASK HIM WHO, WHICH ONE OF Y'ALL ASKED HIM IF HE UNDERSTOOD OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE BRICK, HE WAS LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW. 
          AND, AND SO IT'S, IT, WE, WE HAVE NO POWER TO AFFECT CHANGE. 
          AND IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SEE BECAUSE I'M, I'M SITTING HERE TO PROTECT ALL BUILDINGS AND I HAVE, AND I HAVE NO POWER WHEN SOMEONE DOESN'T PROTECT THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          AND JUST DOES WHATEVER HE WANTS TO. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY IS TOLD HIM TO SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO REMOVE THE PAINT, BUT HE STILL GOT AWAY WITH EVERYTHING HE WANTED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE WITHOUT A FINE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NO RED TAG. 
          'CAUSE HE IS DONE THE INTERIOR REMODEL, HE GOT THAT DONE APPARENTLY. 
          AND HE ONLY CAME HERE TODAY. 
          HE HAD TO BECAUSE, UH, 'CAUSE MICROPHONE PLEASE MADE A THREE ONE ONE CALL. 
          YEAH. 
          HIS BOSS TOLD HIM TO SHOW UP AFTER THE TIME, BUT HE REPLACED THE SIDE ON THE SIDE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          MICROPHONES PLAYING. 
          MS. FEL, I GUESS WE COULD APPLY THE ORDINANCE MORE STRICTLY. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE TOLD HIM TO TAKE ALL THE WINDOWS OUT AND THE DOORS OUT AND THE AWNING OFF. 
          I MEAN, WHICH WE TELL HIM TO DO THAT HE DOESN'T, UNLESS THERE'S A FINE, HE'S NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES I THINK PEOPLE TELL HIM THIS AND THAT, AND THEN WE GO BACK AND I'M SURE HALF THE TIME THEY DON'T DO IT. 
          WELL IF IT'S RED TAGGED, HE CAN'T GET, THEY CAN'T MOVE PEOPLE IN. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          ON THE COMMERCIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THEY, YEAH, SO COULD WE, WE WILL PUT HOLES IN THE SYSTEM AND THAT WILL PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING SAYING FURTHER PERMITS. 
          IT'S OUR PURVIEW TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE AS STRICTLY AS WE SEE FIT. 
          IN CERTAIN CASES, WE HAVE ASKED HOMEOWNERS TO, TO PULL OUT RIGHT WINDOWS. 
          AND SO I THINK IT IS UP TO US TO MAYBE BE MORE, LESS FORGIVING AND MORE STRICT ABOUT, OKAY, YOU DID ALL THIS WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT. 
          NOW GUESS WHAT? YOU GET TO TAKE IT ALL DOWN. 
          AND THE HARDER WE ARE, MAYBE WE'LL STOP. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          PEOPLE FROM DOING WORK WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A COA, THE APPEAL PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          [03:25:01]
MS. JENNIFER, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU ACTUALLY, AFTER, IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS ACTUALLY COMING OFF OUR MAY 18. 
          UH, I THINK WE BROUGHT IT UP THAT WE WERE ALL COLLECTIVELY AS A BIG GROUP WANTING TO ATTEND THE, THE CLASS THAT WE HAD AT ONE TIME IN THE, IN, I THINK THE HEIGHTS FIRE DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS A WAY TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF, UH, THE ORDINANCES AND HOW WE, UH, UH, HOW WE INTERPRET IT, YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE OF A SAME LEVEL. 
          SO WHERE THE QUESTION, I GUESS IS WHERE IS THAT THAT ORGANIZATION OF THIS CLASS, UH, HAPPENING? IF, IF I CAN, I THINK, I THINK THERE, THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. 
          I THINK IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, WE DID DISCUSS POSSIBLE FUNDING TO GET, YOU KNOW, HOW TO PAY FOR THAT CLASS. 
          SO WE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE ANYMORE. 
          AND SO WE WILL GET ON THAT AND LET YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          UNLESS I HAD A SHORT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH THE DIRECTOR ON THE FUNDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I HAD SOMETHING, I PERSONALLY FOUND THAT, UH, BUS TOUR THAT WE TOOK A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MORE ILLUMINATING, WHERE WE DROVE THROUGH THE HEIGHTS AND LOOKED AT A DOZEN RECENTLY DECISIONS APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND YOU COULD REALLY SEE WHAT THE RESULT OF OUR DECISIONS WERE. 
          AND SOME OF THEM WERE NOT ENTIRELY SATISFACTORY. 
          AND TO ME THAT WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LISTENING TO THOSE GUYS TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IN THE FIRE STATION, BUT I THOUGHT GOING IN AND LOOKING AT STUFF AND WE DID A TOUR OF GLENBROOK VALLEY AND LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS AND ACTUALLY SEEING THEM IN PERSON REALLY MADE ME CHANGE MY OPINION OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I, I THINK GOING AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT STUFF IS REAL IMPORTANT AND IT'S PROBABLY A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BRINGING THOSE CONSULTANTS IN TO JUST GET A BUS AND, AND PUT US IN IT AND DRIVE AROUND. 
          UH, CHAD BUTCH, HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. 
          I WANT ADDRESS THIS TO ROMAN, JUST IF I CAN, I THINK, I THINK COMMISSIONER STAAVA HAS A, HAS A COMMENT. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          IT IS BETH, I THINK, YEAH. 
          UM, ON THE, ON THE TRAINING, UM, COMMISSIONER COUCH, UH, AGREE TOTALLY ON THE, THE RELEVANCY OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT CAME IN. 
          UM, THE DIRECTOR AND I, UH, AND ROMAN AND, AND COMMISSIONER YAP ALL TALKED ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THAT, THE, THAT SAME VEIN, BUT HAVING IT BE HYPERLOCAL TO OUR ORDINANCE, UM, AND DOING SO, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A CONDENSED PERIOD. 
          UM, BUT HAVING A, A CONSULTANT ADMINISTER A SIMILAR TRAINING, BUT LESS, UM, FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND MORE SPECIFIC TO OUR ORDINANCE, USING EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN, CAN ALL BETTER FAMILIARIZE OURSELF AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION, UM, AND, AND MAKE SOME PLANS TOWARDS THAT. 
          BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY TO PAIR THAT WITH, UH, A DRIVING TOUR IF WE ALL COULD COMMIT SEVERAL HOURS ON THE SAME DAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. YAP. 
          LAST, LAST WORD. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, CHAIR, I THINK NO, NO, ABOUT, I JUST WANNA GET SOME OF THIS RESOLVED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MEETING LIKE NEXT MONTH. 
          BUT I HEAR THAT THERE ARE FRICTION BETWEEN IN NOR HILL IN PARTICULAR THAT THERE ARE, THIS WILL BE COMING. 
          THIS IS ALMOST CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE WANTING TO MAKE IT LOOK REALLY QUOTE UNQUOTE CONSERVATIVE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING THE BOUNDARY IN TERMS OF MASSING. 
          I SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO MASSING AND ALSO TO SETBACKS AND SO ON. 
          SO I, MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY MEANT FOR ROMAN BECAUSE I KNEW NORTH HILL WAS ON YOUR, UH, UH, THE, THE, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES IS PART OF THAT. 
          SO WHERE IS THAT IN TERMS OF SPEEDING IT UP? SO THEN WE HAVE LESS ULCERS THAT WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT. 
          ALSO, JUST WANTED, SAY WE APPLIED FOR, WE CAN USE THIS, I WOULD THINK THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND GRANT TO PLAY FOR THE CAMP TRAINING, BUT WE ACTUALLY IN THE INTERIM ALSO JUST, UH, RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING IT CAME UP AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, WE, OUR JACKSON TOLD US ABOUT A GRANT AND WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO HELP US MATCH THAT CAMP COST. 
          SO IT BRING IT DOWN OF, FOR US. 
          UH, THE, UH, THE NA NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD HAS BEEN MEETING, THEY ARE GOING TO PROPOSE TO STAFF SOME REVISIONS TO THE CURRENT DRAFT. 
          THEY ARE PROPOS TO US. 
          SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE ALMOST READY TO DO THAT. 
          I WOULD'VE, I THINK, IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. 
          AND WHEN WE RECEIVE THAT, WE WILL DO SOME REVISIONS AND KIND OF CONFIRM BACK. 
          AND I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA PUT A WORD ON, BUT IT, MAYBE 
          [03:30:01]
IT'S GONNA BE SEPTEMBER. 
          WE'RE BACK HERE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UH, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN BE THERE. 
          WE'RE THEY, WE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME VERY CONCRETE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EDITS TO THE CURRENT DRAFT THAT WE WERE LEFT WITH FROM WINNER AND COMPANY. 
          SO WE SHOULD BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD. 
          ROMAN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          WE JUST HAVE A LAST ITEM IS FOR YOUR REPORT IS, IS THAT YOUR REPORT THAT WE, WE JUST, SO I ITEM MAY JUST SNUCK RIGHT BY US. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ADJOURNMENT AND UH, THANK YOU.
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