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PRESENT.[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on May 18, 2023. ]
YOU SAY HI BECAUSE I CAME BACK.I HADN'T SEEN YOU SINCE I CAME BACK, SO, AND I'LL JUST MAKE A NOTE IF YOU'RE, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, UH, PLEASE MUTE, UM, YOUR, YOUR PHONE OR COMPUTER, UN UNTIL IT'S TIME TO SPEAK.
COMMISSIONER DUBOSE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA.
AT LEAST SHE IS NOT HERE TODAY.
PRESENT VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
AND I BELIEVE SHE'S ABSENT TODAY AND NOT, AND NOT VIRTUALLY ATTENDING.
AND I BELIEVE MARK EO IS NOT WITH US, WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR THIS MEETING, SO SHE'S NOT HERE.
AND MADAM SECRETARY IS PRESENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC? SORRY.
UM, I'M JENNIFER OSLAND, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION, AND I HAVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW IF YOU, UM, WORK OR LIVE DOWNTOWN TOMORROW IS BIKE TO WORK DAY.
AND, UM, IT'S, UH, YEAH, SO FRIDAY, MAY 19TH, A CITY SPONSORED BIKE EVENT BEGINS AT 7:15 AM UH, TOMORROW MORNING AT THE, UM, WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON HERE, BUT IT'S THE IDO, UM, BIKE SHOP, UM, BY, AND THERE'LL BE A, LIKE A 20 MINUTE RIDE AND WE'LL END AT CITY HALL AND THE MAYOR WILL MAKE SOME REMARKS.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT A BIKE, BUT YOU WANNA SHOW UP ABOUT 7 45, UM, WE'LL BE OUT THERE ALSO CELEBRATING BIKE TO WORK DAY.
UM, AND SO NOW FOR A SNAPSHOT OF SOME PRESERVATION WORK, UM, THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, WE'VE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 45 APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE END OF APRIL, 2023, UH, WITH 130 CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS.
THE COMMISSION REVIEWED 22 STAFF REVIEWED 18 ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 61.
THIS, UH, CALENDAR YEAR SINCE MARCH.
STAFF ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR 10 PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 16 THIS YEAR.
UH, WE HAD NO HHC MEETING IN APRIL, SO IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER TODAY'S MEETING.
JUNE 29TH WILL BE THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED HHC MEETING.
THERE IS NO JULY MEETING SCHEDULED.
SO AUGUST 3RD WILL BE, UH, THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THE JUNE ONE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE MARCH 23RD, 2023 HAHC MEETING MINUTES COMMISSIONERS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AUER JACKSON.
I HAVE A FIRST, IS THERE A SECOND? YEP.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM A, A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR CHRISTIAN HOME MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AT 3 4 3 2 ROSALIE STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 4.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM A, THE NOMINATION OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK FOR THE CHRISTIAN HOME MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AT 34 32 ROSALIE STREET, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 4.
THE CHRISTIAN HOME MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH IS
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LOCATED WITHIN HOUSTON'S HISTORIC THIRD WARD, AND HAS A HISTORY DATING FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.THE CONGREGATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1906 BY REVEREND BENJAMIN LEROY CONSTRUCTION ON THE CONGREGATION'S CURRENT CHURCH BUILDING BEGAN IN 1957.
THE RED BRICK CHURCH IS A SIMPLE BUT CLASSIC DE DESIGN, WHICH INCORPORATES MID-CENTURY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
THE CORNERSTONE WAS PLACED AND THE BUILDING WAS DEDICATED IN A CEREMONY ON APRIL 13TH, 1958.
IN 1957, THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN.
THE CHURCH WAS BUILT ALONGSIDE THE CONGREGATION'S ORIGINAL CHURCH, WHICH HAD A UNIQUE DESIGN FEATURING SYMMETRICAL TOWERS ON EACH SIDE OF THE FACADE.
THE ORIGINAL CHURCH BUILDING WAS ERECTED IN 1908 AND WAS DEMOLISHED AFTER THE NEW ONE WAS BUILT.
THE CHRISTIAN HOME BAPTIST CHURCH IS A SIMPLE RED BRICK STRUCTURE.
THE BUILDING IS A MID-CENTURY INTERPRETATION OF THE CLASSIC CENTER STEEPLE CHURCH FOUND IN EARLY RURAL, RURAL AND URBAN AMERICA.
IT INCLUDES MANY OF THE COMMON DESIGN ELEMENTS OF A CENTER STEEPLE CHURCH, INCLUDING A TIERED CENTER, TOWER, SPIRE, LOUVERED, BERY, AND PYRAMIDAL ROOF.
THE MID-CENTURY DESIGN INFLUENCE IS EXHIBITED IN THE BUILDING'S HORIZONTAL ORIENTATION AND SLOW SLUNG APPEARANCE, A LONG FLAT AWNING ROOF, AND WIDE STADIUM.
STEPS AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING EMPHASIZE ITS HORIZONTAL LINES.
THE PASTORS AND MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION ARE SEEKING A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY IN THIRD WARD.
TO RECOGNIZE, RECORD AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THIS SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC CHURCH.
THE CHRISTIAN HOME MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 6 AND EIGHT VERSUS CITY OF HOUSTON LANDMARK.
AND CRITERIA ONE FOR A CITY OF HOUSTON PROTECTED LANDMARK STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, APPROVE THIS AND MOVE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, THIS REPORT WAS PRE PREPARED BY PRESERVATION HOUSTON.
AND WE HAVE EMILY, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY.
I'M GONNA FIRST, UH, I GUESS ASK COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR THIS APPLICATION.
I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, AND I GUESS I'LL, UM, I THINK THE ONLY PERSON SIGNED UP FOR THIS IS EMILY ARGU WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON.
EMILY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HI, UH, YES.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, EXPRESS PRESERVATION HOUSTON'S APPROVAL, UM, FOR THE NOMINATION.
WE BELIEVE THE CHURCH IS SIGNIFICANT AND, UM, WORTHY OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
UM, THE CONGREGATION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT THEY'RE COMMEMORATING THEIR CENTENNIAL THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THAT WAS WHAT LED THEM TO REACH OUT TO US ABOUT, UM, ABOUT LANDMARKING THE BUILDING.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF, UH, FEWER AND FEWER BUILDINGS, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE STILL PRESENT IN THE THIRD WARD.
UM, SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE PROTECTED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? UH, PERHAPS ANYONE THAT'S ON LINE.
IF SO, WOULD YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF, YOUR NAME AND, AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
I'M GONNA, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, ASK, HELLO? I'M SORRY.
OKAY, I'M GONNA OPEN, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT BACK UP AGAIN.
COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND, AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HI, HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS RASHNA IRVING.
I'M SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF OF CHRISTIAN HOME BAPTIST CHURCH, AND WE ARE SO THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERING A CHRISTIAN HOME TO BE A PUBLIC, UH, PROTECTED LANDMARK AND, UH, THE GREATER THIRD WARD AREA.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND ALSO THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON, SYLVESTER TURNER, UH, FOR CONSIDERING US BEING A LANDMARK.
WE ARE 115 YEAR CHURCH ANNIVERSARY ON, UH, IN JULY.
UH, CHAIR BUCHA? YES, MAY, MAY.
I, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CONGREGATION
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AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE PRESENTATION OF THIS REPORT, INCLUDING, UH, EMILY AT PRESERVATION HOUSTON.THIS IS THIS, IT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT, UM, GREAT INFORMATION AND, AND WELL PREPARED.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT, THAT'S PARTICIPATING, UH, IN THIS MEETING THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE COMMISSION, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS MATTER? I WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND I'LL SEND DEBO.
DO YOU WANNA FLIP FOR THAT? NO.
TOMMY CAN HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBOSE CAN HAVE IT.
FOR THE CLOSED CAPTIONING, THAT WAS COSGROVE DUBBOS MOTION.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS THAT MOTION PASSES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA B, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT.
I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AT THE CITY OF HOUSTON, AND I'D LIKE TO PRESENT FOR YOU THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION IN ACTION IN ONE VOTE.
THE ITEMS ARE B 1 26 0 2 WHITNEY STREET, ALTERATION ROOF, AVONDALE WEST APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM 3 5 40 HEIGHTS ALTERATION SIGN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM B 4 5 42 GRANBERRY STREET ON ALTERATION AND, AND FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM B 6 5 0 7 EAST FIFTH STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM B 7 6 1 8 BAYLAND AVENUE ALTERATION SIDING, WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM B 8 7 5 2 3 ROCK HILL STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, WINDOWS DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION.
ITEM B 9 20 29 WEST GRAY STREET, AN ALTERATION SIGNS, DOORS AND FACADE AT THE LIVE RIVER OAKS, UH, SHOPPING CENTER FOR APPROVAL.
AND ITEM B TEN TWO ZERO FOUR STRATFORD STREET ALTERATION PORCH IN AVONDALE EAST FOR APPROVAL.
SO ROSS STREET, AN ALTERATION OF A ROOF IN FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS FOR APPROVAL.
AND ITEM B 13 6 1 15 TEXAS AVENUE ALTERATION FOR A SIGN AT THE ALLEY THEATER DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION.
SO THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE ASKING AT THIS TIME FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ON FOR CLARITY IS NUMBER TWO, ARE NUMBERS TWO, FIVE, AND 12.
THANK YOU ROMAN FIRST COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA THAT COMMISSIONERS WOULD WISH TO PULL OUT AND REVIEW INDIVIDUALLY? I HAVE ONE.
I I ACTUALLY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHICH ONES DID YOU WANT? UM, BOTH TWO.
I HAVE TO, UM, STAY FROM B ONE AND THEN B 10 I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PULLED AND THAT'S IT.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, CAN WE PULL B EIGHT PLEASE? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO REVIEW INDIVIDUALLY? MR. CHAIR? CAN, COULD I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION ON WHICH TWO COMMISSIONER STAAVA A ASKED ABOUT COMMISSIONER STAAVA ASKED? ONE WAS AN ABSTENTION AND ONE WAS TO DISCUSS WELL, RIGHT, WELL, JUST ONE.
ONE WAS SIMPLY THAT HE'S GONNA BE ABSTAINING, SO HE WILL NOT BE VOTING.
SO WE'RE NOT PULLING THAT ITEM.
IT'S STILL ON THE ITEM ONE IS STILL ON THE CONSENT.
COMMISSIONER STAAVA DID REQUEST HOWEVER THAT WE REVIEW ITEM 10.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS BEING PULLED FROM
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THE CONSENT LIST.AND THEN ITEM EIGHT IS BEING PULLED, OR COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
NOW I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, UH, ON B THREE, AND I HAVE, I HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR B 11 AND B 13, B 11 AND B 13 ARE, I BELIEVE, UM, SUPPORTING THOSE ITEMS. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, THOSE ITEMS ARE ABOUT TO BE APPROVED.
UM, IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEMS B THREE, IF YOU DON'T SPEAK, THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROVED.
AND IF YOU STILL WANT THEM PULLED, COULD YOU MAKE YOURSELVES? YEAH, THEY'RE ALSO IN SUPPORTING, SO, SO NOT HEARING ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO REPORT, I BELIEVE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR, MAY I CLARIFY? UH, THE SPEAKER ON B 13 I BELIEVE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION, AND I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY.
SO PERHAPS THAT SPEAKER WOULD WANT TO SPEAK ROMAN, MR. BROWN, UH, FOR CLARITY.
WELL, IT'S AN ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION AS THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PERFORMED.
SO IF THEY DON'T SPEAK, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE.
UM, THE, THE SPEAKER WAS, UM, LESLIE SINCLAIR.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE ITEM, WE CAN PULL THE ITEM OR IT CAN BE APPROVED AS A C OF R AS SUBMITTED, UH, AS IT'S UNDER APPROVAL, I WOULD SUGGEST.
SO I'M GOING TO THEN, UH, ASK COMMISSION.
I HAVE ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, AND 13 ARE ON THE CONSENT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND, AND A MOTION TO VOTE FOR THESE ITEMS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR CONSENT AND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON EACH ITEM.
IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECONDS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY AGAINST, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE ABSTENTION WITH COMMISSIONER STAAVA ABSTAINING ON ITEM B ONE, ONE.
YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO LEAVE FOR CONSENT.
YEAH, WE HAD OUR TRAINING CLASS THIS AFTERNOON, UH, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND SO WE, WE, WE HAVE LEARNED WE DON'T NEED TO LEAVE THE ROOM FOR A CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IF WE ARE ABSTAINING, UM, STAFF WILL NOW PRESENT ITEM 2 7 16 SILVER STREET.
I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM B 2 7 1 6 SILVER STREET, THE PROPERTY INCLU IN OLD SIX WARD.
THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A MIXED RETAIL WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UNITS AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A CORNER LOT.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING MIXED RETAIL WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1926, LOCATED IN THE OLD SIX WARD.
SILVER CONTAINS TWO CON TWO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
UM, THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IS THE FOLLOWING, A REMOVAL OF A NON-ORIGINAL AWNING THAT HAS DETERIORATED FROM, UH, WATER DAMAGE.
UM, OUR INSPECTOR PETE VERIFIED THAT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED AS, UM, IT CAUSED IT.
UM, IT HAS A IMMEDIATE, UM, DANGER TO PEOPLE AROUND IT AND THEREFORE, UM, HE, HE WANTED US TO CONTACT THE APPLICANT AND ASK IT, ASK THEM TO REMOVE IT, UH, IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS DONE, A SMALL, UH, STORAGE WAS BUILT IN THE BACK OF THE SMALLER STRUCTURE.
UM, IT, IT'S, UH, CLAD IN CORRUGATED STEEL, BUT THIS IS, UM, EXEMPT AS IT'S, UM, BEHIND THE STRUCTURE AND CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO CHANGED ONE
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WINDOW TO AN EXTERIOR DOOR, UM, IN THE REAR, UH, OF THAT, UM, ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DENIAL OF A C OF I-A-C-O-A AND AN ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR WORK COMPLETED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE AWNING BE REINSTALLED AND THE FINAL DESIGN TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON STAFF ON THIS? ON THIS ITEM? OH, I, COMMISSIONER COUCH, CATCH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
PETE STOCKTON, UM, SAID THAT THE AWNING WAS IN HIS DANGEROUS CONDITION.
BE BECAUSE HE LIVED LIVES CLOSE BY AND HE, HE HAS BEEN ON SEVERAL VISITS TO THAT, UM, UH, PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HE SAID, BUT HE JUST HAD SURGERY SO HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
AND I'M SORRY, I DID WANNA MENTION THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FROM, UM, THE PUBLIC, UM, REGARDING, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING AND ASKING FOR, UM, UH, REINSTALLING IT.
AND ALSO ONE LETTER FROM THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UM, APPROVING THE, THE, THE STORAGE AND THE CHANGE OF THE WINDOW TO A DOOR, BUT NOT THE REMOVAL OF THE AWNING AND ASKING FOR REINSTALLING, UH, OF THE AWNING.
UH, THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS THOSE LETTERS ALL SAID THE AWNING HAD BEEN REPAIRED RECENTLY, SO, BUT IT WAS THAT NOT THE CASE? YES.
UH, THE PICTURES SHOW THAT IT IS NOT IN IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND AGAIN, UM, PETE AS OUR INSPECTOR HAS VERIFIED THAT.
SO WHETHER IT WAS REPAIRED POORLY OR I'M NOT SURE, BUT PETE VERIFIED THAT IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION, IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, BUT WE MADE SURE WE ASKED HIM TO LEAVE THE DETAILS, UM, IN THE BRICK.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, HE SAID THAT IN THE FUTURE HE'S CONSIDERING REINSTALLING A CANOPY, BUT WE HAVE IT AS A CONDITION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE, FROM ATTACHMENT A THAT THE CURRENT AWNING WAS PUT ON IN 95, SO 30, ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, IS THAT RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LETTER FROM THIS PERSON CALLED MARK HY, AND HE SAID THAT HE DID REPAIR WORK A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON IT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST READING THE LETTERS.
LIKE HE GOES INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF.
BUILT THE RECENT AWNING IN 1995, THEN I PUT NEW RURAL ROOFING AND SEALED ALL THE ROD CONNECTIONS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
REPLACED THE ROOF, THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO, AND THEN THE OTHER LETTER FROM SOMETHING SAID THAT THEY SAW SOMEONE DOING REPAIRS TO IT RECENTLY ALSO.
COMMISSIONER SAVA, YOU HAVE A, A COMMENT? YES.
YES, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I DID, I USED TO LIVE, UM, UH, DOWN THE STREET FROM THAT PROPERTY AND I, MYSELF HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN, UH, REPAIRS BEING DONE ON THE ROOF AND, UM, PAINTING.
SO, UM, I CAN CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT STATEMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT COULD BE THAT BAD IN UNLESS THAN FOUR YEARS
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CURRY QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, YASMINE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED JUST BEFORE YOU SAT DOWN THAT, UH, THAT WOULD YOU MAKE CLEAR, PLEASE, MAYBE I MISSED IT.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE CONDITION, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING REGARDING THE AWNING? YES.
SO, UM, THE CONDITION IS THAT THE AWNING BE REINSTALLED AND THE FINAL DESIGN TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO PERHAPS IN THIS CASE REINSTALLED COULD MEAN A REPLICA, UH, MATCHING THE FORM IN, IN PROPORTIONS OF WHAT WAS THERE, UH, IF, IF IN FACT IT TURNS OUT TO BE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY INSUFFICIENT FOR REATTACHMENT.
SO THE SANBORN THAT WE HAVE DOES NOT SHOW THE BUILDING AS IS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE ARE RELYING ON A HISTORIC PHOTO FOUND IN TAX RECORDS THAT DOES SHOW THAT AWNING.
UM, GOOD AS FOR THE MATERIAL, MATERIAL AND THE FINAL DESIGN, BECAUSE THE SANDBORN DOESN'T SHOW IT CLEARLY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR HIM TO COME BACK AND, UM, WORK WITH US ON THE REINST INSTALLMENT REGARD DESIGN AND MATERIAL, WHETHER IT'S A, AGAIN, A REPLICA REINSTALLATION OR A REINSTALLATION OF THE ORIGINAL.
BY, BY COLLABORATION WITH YOU ALL.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WILL NEIL PARKER, COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS
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THE COMMISSION AND AND RESTATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? YES, MY NAME IS NEIL PARKER.I LIVE AT, UH, 1816 LUBBOCK STREET, WHICH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM 17 I OH, OKAY.
I LIVE AT 1816 LUBBOCK, WHICH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM 17 7 7 16 SILVER.
I WALKED BY THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY AND I'VE, I WAS SADDENED BY WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BUILDING.
THE FACT THAT THE AWNING WAS JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN RIPPED OFF AND THROWN AWAY RELATIVE TO, TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS WAS A, UH, A SORT OF A REPLICA.
UH, THE, THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS PURCHASED BY, UH, STEVEN KIRKLAND AND ANISE PARKLAND IN 1994 FROM THE TROPO HEIRS.
THIS WAS THE OLD TROPO GROCERY STORE.
AND, AND THE HEIRS FINALLY SOLD IN 1994.
THE PROPERTY WAS TRANSFERRED TO SILVER STREET PROPERTIES IN 96, AND MARK HY HI HIRED AL MARIN TO, TO RECONSTRUCT THE, THE, THE AWNING WHICH HAD BEEN, WHICH HAD BEEN REMOVED.
AL MARIN WAS A CONTRACTOR, CONTRACTOR, BUILDING CONTRACTOR WHO LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MARK HY IS THE MANAGING PARTNER OF, OF SILVER STREET PROPERTIES.
SO, SO AL DID, DID, UH, RECONSTRUCT IT.
AND THEN IN 1996, SILVER STREET PROPERTIES RECEIVED A, UH, GOOD BRICK AWARD FROM HISTORIC HOUSTON FOR THE RESTORATION OF FOUR BUILDINGS ON, ON SILVER, INCLUDING, INCLUDING, INCLUDING THIS ONE.
SO, UH, AS I SAY, I WAS DISTURBED AND STRESSED WHEN I SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT MY REQUEST TO TIME TO THE COMMISSION IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STAFF THAT IT BE, THAT IT BE RECONSTRUCTED.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE, JUST A SECOND.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? WELL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAT, FOR THE SPEAKER? MR. Y? UH, NO, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF.
WELL, IF I COULD JUST, UH, CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST, IF THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? I ONLY HAD ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER YAPP, COULD YOU PLEASE YOU PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTION OF STAFF? SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, YASMINE? YES, SIR.
UH, YASMINE, I, HE, I SEE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE THE AWNING REINSTALLED.
UH, WILL YOU PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE TYPE OF MATERIAL AS WELL AS TO THE DESIGN AND LOOK AS WELL IN, IN REPLICATING THE OLD OR, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY A A, A PLASTIC TARP KIND OF A, A THING DONE.
IT SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND BE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE HISTORIC PICTURE THAT WE SEE, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, TRY TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE MANY, UM, ACTIVE OLD SIX WARD MEMBERS THAT WE CAN ALSO, UM, KIND OF ASK AND SEE, UM, GUIDANCE YEAH.
PICTURES THAT ARE SIMILAR OR WHAT THEY REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL WAS.
SO WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE, UM, WE, WE DECIDE AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WISH.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
IS THAT WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD BE? YES.
IF YOU APPROVE OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT WILL, WE, WE WILL AS STAFF APPROVE IT.
WE, YOU CAN DEFER IT IF YOU'D LIKE.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE STAFF HANDLE IT.
AS LONG AS WE, WE, WE FOLLOW TO THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL AWNING THAT WAS REMOVED.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS ITEM? I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. STAAVA, A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PETE, UH, HAD, HAD, WANTED IT, WANTED IT OFF.
IS THERE, IS THERE A, IS THERE A TYPE OF RAPPORT THAT'S BEEN, UH, THAT'S OF WHAT THE, OF THE CITY INSPECTOR THAT MAYBE JUST SHOWED UP AND DEMANDED, UH, HISTORICAL, UM, MATERIALS
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BE TAKEN DOWN, UH, ON A WHIM TO HAVE IT, TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN? WAS THERE A REPORT OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE PROPER PROCEDURE THAT WAS FOLLOWED OR, I'M JUST NOT SURE.DO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, WHAT HAPPENED IS, UM, WE, WE GOT A CALL FROM THEM, UM, AND THEY WERE SAYING THEY HAVE CONCERN ABOUT IT BEING DETERIORATED AND IT FALLING DOWN.
SO I ALS I CALLED, UH, PETE AND ASKED HIM IF HE'S AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND HE LOOKED AT THE PICTURES.
HE ALSO SAID THAT I, I PASSED BY AND YES, IT IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AND THIS PROBABLY WON'T, SHOULDN'T WAIT.
AND ASKED US TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN REMOVE THIS.
UM, BUT THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
SO THIS IS A COR, THEY DID NOT GET A C OF A OR A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND SO THERE'S A 3 1 1, UH, THERE WAS A THREE ONE ONE CALL AND AN INVESTIGATION AND THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU THEY WERE RED TAGGED.
AND, UM, YOU SEE SOME OF, UM, THE PICTURES AND, AND IT DOES SAY FROM THE INVESTIGATOR.
SO WITH THE PICTURES OR THE, DID THEY SHOW THAT THE DAMAGE WAS THERE IN, IN THE PICTURES? UH, 'CAUSE IT KIND OF, I, I DON'T SEE THE DAMAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE PICTURES REVEALED THAT.
IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THE PICTURES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS? WELL, IT DOES SHOW THAT IT'S ALMOST FALLING AND THEN THERE ARE PICTURES THAT SHOW THE ROT AND DETERIORATION FROM WATER, WHICH ARE, UM, INSPECTOR ALSO CONFIRMED TO CLARIFY THOUGH, UM, SO THE HOOK, THE HOOKS, UH, HAD BEEN BROKEN FROM IN THE BACK IS ON, UH, IS ON PIER AND BEAM AND THEY GO UP AND THEY SCREW IN AND THEY ATTACH FROM THE BACK.
SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE AN EASY SOLUTION THEN REMOVING THE WHOLE THING.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ORIGINAL AND WE DO HAVE PICTURES SHOWING THAT THIS WAS TAKEN OUT, UM, WE, WE KNOW IT, IT'S NOT ORIGINAL AND HISTORICAL MATERIAL.
SO EVEN WHEN REMOVING, THEY WILL RECONSTRUCT IT WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SO WE WEREN'T, UM, I WANNA SAY VERY PICKY BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WAS NOT HISTORICAL MATERIAL THAT WE'RE, UM, DEALING WITH.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OUR INSPECTOR SAID HE WENT THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND HE SAID, I THINK, UH, PETE'S EXACT WORDS, UM, NOT GONNA QUOTE HIM, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, UM, THAT HE HAS BEEN WATCHING AND KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS AWNING FOR SOME TIME AND HE KNOWS IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AND ONE DAY IT WILL JUST FALL.
SO HE SAID IT'S BETTER TO REMOVE IT AND REINSTALL IT, UH, IS RECONSTRUCTED PROPERLY.
OKAY, ALRIGHTYY COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, JUST TO COMMISSIONER ST'S POINT, IT WOULD SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IN THIS, UH, STAFF REPORT THAT WE HAD MORE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM A CITY OFFICIAL THAT DETAILED THE CONDITION OF THE AWNING ON A HISTORIC PROPERTY AND SOME SORT OF REPORT THAT KIND OF SAYS IP STOCK CAN APPROVE OF THIS AND THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT AND JUST HANDLES ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
I GET THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL MATERIAL THAT IT WAS BUILT IN 1996, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGHNESS AND DETAILING WHAT A CITY OFFICIAL IS TELLING SOMEONE TO PROCEED WITH, I THINK HELPS US AS A COMMISSION DECIDE HOW THIS THING GOES.
I KNOW HISTORICALLY PETE HAS BEEN IN THE ROOM AND JUST SPOKEN, UH, FOR HIMSELF I SUPPOSE, BUT HE'S NOT HERE TODAY.
MAY I COMMENT ON ONE THING? YES.
THE 3 1 1 AND THE, UM, THE INVESTIGATOR FOCUSED ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT, WHICH WAS THE STORAGE AND THE, THE WINDOW THAT WAS REPLACED AND THE DOOR AND NOT THE AWNING.
SO IF, IF THERE WAS A REPORT THAT SHOWS THE AWNING, I WOULD'VE INCLUDED IT, BUT IT WAS MOSTLY, UM, THAT, UM, KIND OF METAL STORAGE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS EXEMPT BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT I BELIEVE IT DID NEED A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN THE WINDOW THAT WAS REPLACED WITH THE DOOR, BUT, UM, NOT, NOT THE AWNING, BUT, BUT YES, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE FUTURE I HEAR YOU, BUT YOU HAVE A CITY OFFICIAL GOING TO A BUILDING AND AND SAYING TEAR THIS DOWN.
AND WE CAN SEE CLEARLY FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THE BRACKETS ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE BRICK.
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OF ANY OF THE WOOD THAT'S ACTUALLY DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR.AND SO JUST MORE PICTURES AND SOMETHING FROM PETE SAYING I AUTHORIZE THEM TO DO THE DEMOLITION, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THIS SITUATION.
OR IT'S EVEN BETTER IF YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES KIND OF THING.
WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION NEXT TIME AND INCLUDE IT.
AND I DON'T THINK PETE WILL EVER SAY I AUTHORIZE ANYTHING, BUT, UH, YES.
BUT HE CERTAINLY WILL GIVE US OPINION ON WHETHER YOU CAN REPAIR IT OR WHETHER OR NOT YEAH.
THEY'RE REMOVING THE AWNING BASED ON PETE'S OPINION.
AND NORMALLY HE'S HERE TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, SO, BUT UM, MAYBE WHEN HE CAN'T BE HERE IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL TRY TO GET A STATEMENT FROM HIM SO THAT IT CAN BE IN THE RECORD.
SO DID THEY TAKE THE BRACKETS OFF? NO, WE TOLD THEM TO REMOVE ONLY THE AWNING AND MADE SURE TO LET THEM KNOW TO KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO GO UP IN, IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
'CAUSE THE BRACKETS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY FROM WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT OR SHORTLY.
UH, NO, I THINK HE SAID, HE SAID IT'S BRACKETS.
OH REALLY? LEMME SEE IF I CAN, MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? CAN, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YOU, YES, YOU MAY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? COSGROVE SECONDS.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
AND FOR THE RECORD, IT WAS COUCH AND COSGROVE FIRST AND SECOND.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 5 7 0 5 WEST MAIN STREET, ROMAN.
ITEM B FIVE REFERS TO 7 0 5 WEST MAIN STREET.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW CIRCA 1920 IN THE FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THIS ITEM ALSO PERTAINS TO WORK DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT, UH, AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT, UH, REPLACED THE FRONT PORCH DECK AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS IF WE CAN GO TO MAYBE PAGE SIX OF THE AGENDA.
AND ACTUALLY, GO, GO FORWARD ONE MORE HERE.
UM, IN THE LOWER IMAGE HERE, ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE SEVEN IS THE ONLY IMAGE I COULD FIND THAT SAYS, ACTUALLY PROBABLY FROM A REAL ESTATE LISTING SHOWING THE ORIGINAL TONGUE AND GROOVE, ONE BY FOUR FLOORING THAT WAS ON THE BUILDING.
NOW THE APPLICANT, UH, OVER, UH, INSTALLED, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND MAYBE EVEN ONE FORWARD, WE GET A NICE CLEAR VIEW.
HE EVEN INSTALLED A TWO BY SIX, UH, PORCH FLOOR DECK.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN ON PAGE NINE AND, UH, EIGHT AND A REAL GOOD PICTURE ON PAGE 10 AS WELL.
AND, UH, SO THEY HAVE, THEY WERE REPORTED 3 1 1, AND NOW THEY'VE COME FORWARD AND ASKED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THAT PORCH TO REMAIN.
AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THAT AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION TO REMOVE THE DECK FLOOR AS INSTALLED AND INSTALL, UH, PORCH FLOORING WITH ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE WOULD PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET WITH A SLIGHT SLOPE TOWARDS THE STREET AS THE ORIGINAL WOULD'VE BEEN.
AND THE CRITERIA WE'RE FOLLOWING THERE.
UM, IF WE GO TO PAGE TWO OF THE APPROVAL REPLACING NUMBER ONE, REPLACING THE ORIGINAL PORCH FLOORING WITH TWO BY MATERIAL DOES NOT RETAIN AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE FRONT PORCH.
THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL WOULD'VE BEEN ONE IN FOUR.
THEN THE OTHER ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, IS THAT IT DOESN'T MA MAINTAIN OR REPLICATE THE DISTINCTIVE STYLISTIC EXTERIOR FEATURES, INCLUDING OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, THAT SAME MATERIAL, ANOTHER IMPORTANT ITEM, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE, TO THE STAFF REPORT THAT IT REALLY ALSO DOESN'T MEET NUMBER EIGHT.
UM, LEMME MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
UM, I DIDN'T PRINT THIS IN COLOR, SO I'VE GOTTA FIND IT.
SO NUMBER EIGHT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THAT THE ADDITION OR ALTERATION NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A MANNER THAT IF REMOVED IN THE FUTURE WOULD LEAVE UNIMPAIRED THE ESSENTIAL FORM AN INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE PORCHES OF THESE HOUSES ARE CLEARLY AN ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOME TO WHICH THEY'RE ATTACHED.
THEY AFFECT THE RHYTHM BLOCK FACE OF
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THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, AND, UH, REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A MANNER, UH, THAT'S RESPECTFUL OF THAT CHARACTER.THE ORIGINAL PORCH MATERIAL, AS I STATED EARLIER, IS A ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE MATERIAL.
AND IT, IT'S, IT'S NORMALLY INSTALLED COMPLETELY ABUTTED ONE TO THE OTHER WITH A SLIGHT SLOPE TOWARDS THE STREET, WHICH ALLOWS IT TO SHED WATER.
SO WHEN YOU COME IN AND PUT A TWO BY MATERIAL IN THIS CASE, NOW, I DIDN'T TAKE A LEVEL OUT THERE, BUT IT'S A TWO BY MATERIAL AND YOU CAN SEE THE GAPS.
AND THOSE GAPS WILL INCREASE IN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HERE AS THAT WOOD FURTHER DRIES OUT, MEANING THAT WATER AND MOISTURE NOW CAN PENETRATE THROUGH TO THE FRAMING BENEATH THE PORCH.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS DOES EXPOSE THOSE JOISTS TO POTENTIAL DAMAGE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND THEN ITEM 10, NINE AND 10, WE, WE WE'RE DESTROYING, IT ACTUALLY REFERS TO PORCH ELEMENTS.
SO ORIGINAL PORCH ELEMENTS WERE REMOVED, AND 10 THE TWO BY MATERIAL DOES NOT MATCH THAT.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE RECOMMEND THIS.
IT, IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT ITEM.
UH, THE PORCH FLOOR MAINTENANCE IS A, A VERY, UH, COMMON THING TO DO.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I EVEN TALKED TO MY CONSTITUENTS IN, UH, IN OTHER CITIES ABOUT THIS AND THEY WERE PRETTY HARD PRESSED THAT THEY STICK TO THAT.
THIS CAN ONLY, THAT THE, YOU DO REPLACE IT IN KIND.
NOW THERE ARE SOME MATERIALS, UH, THERE ARE SYNTHETIC MATERIALS THAT MIMIC THAT SAME FLOORING AND THAT CAN BE ALLOWED IF IT, IF IT'S A SMOOTH BOARD AND IT'S MOUNTED IN THAT WAY.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET CRITERIA 1, 4, 5, 8, 9, AND 10 AN INSTALLATION OF THE PROPER TONGUE AND GROOVE FLOORING.
AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ROMAN.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ROMAN OR STAFF? UH, OKAY.
COMMISSIONER EK? UH, COMMISSIONER YEAH, PLEASE.
UH, I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE BEEN HERE, UH, MORE THAN 10 YEARS, UH, PRESENTING AS, AS AN APPLICANT FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND, UH, RECENTLY FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS AS A COMMISSION, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ANYBODY THAT HAS COMMENT COMMENTED ABOUT, UH, THE REPLACEMENT, UH, FW HERITAGE HAS REPLACED ALL THE PORCH FLOORS THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON IN AT LEAST 25 OF THE HISTORIC HOUSES.
AND WE HAVE PUT BACK ONE BY SIX DECK BOTS, NOT THE TONGAN GROUP.
AND THE, THE REASON WHY WE DID THAT, WE COME ACROSS A LOT OF THE OLD PORCH FLOORS, UH, WITH THE ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT TREATED AND THE FLOOR JOISTS BE BE BENEATH.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TOTALLY ROTTED, UH, BECAUSE THIS HASN'T BEEN REPLACED AT ALL.
AND SO WHEN WE REPLACE THE, UH, UH, FLOOR, UH, JOISTS, WE ACTUALLY PUT IN TREATED LUMBER BASICALLY.
AND, AND BASICALLY IT'S EITHER A TWO BY SIX OR A TWO BY EIGHT TREATED LUMBER.
AND WE PUT ON TOP OF IT A DECK BOARD THAT IS ONE BY SIX.
AND THAT HAS COME THROUGH FOR ON EVERY APPLICATION THAT I PUT IN AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
NOBODY HAS COMMENTED AND SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS ONE BY FOUR CRITERIA.
AND I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE, UH, I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I'M SAYING THIS IS A PAST RECORD.
NOW I DO NOT LIKE TO JUST SINGULARLY CALL THIS PERSON OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER CALLED OUT AT LEAST MY 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
AND THE REASON WHY WE DO CHANGE ALL THESE PORCH FLOORS IS BECAUSE NONE OF THE MATERIALS CAN BE REUSED ONCE WE DO A TOTAL RESTORATION OF THE PORCH FLOOR ITSELF.
I DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF THAT THE PORCH LOOK, THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE PORCH FLOOR IS A MAINTENANCE THING.
AND WHERE, UH, AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE TREATED THE SAME BREVITY AS A PORCH LOOK AND THE GINGERBREAD, UH, LOOK IN ITSELF.
UH, AND I THINK THIS IS TOO ONEROUS.
I KNOW, AND WE HAVE SOME FIGURES SIGNED UP, BUT, UH, ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED AND WHAT IS HERE BEFORE US IS, IS THEY, THEY DIDN'T USE ONE BIOMATERIAL, THEY USED TWO BIOMATERIAL.
SO THE OVERALL THICKNESS OF USING LIKE A BAY HOUSE DECK OH, THAT I AGREE.
IT SHOULDNT BE A TWO BY SIX A, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED, BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS THAT THAT'S THE THICKNESS THAT REALLY CALLED THIS INTO QUESTION INITIALLY, BUT, UM, BUT ANYHOW, UM, ARE THERE, ARE THERE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS ITEM? I DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT ON THAT.
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YES.ONE ITEM THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER YAP MENTIONED, UH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ITEMS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
UH, I I, WITH RESPECT TO FRONT PORT, WE TYPICALLY AREN'T LOOKING AT FRONT PORT WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT IN THE STAFF ROLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR OFFICE, WE HAVE SAID TONGUE IN FLOOR, YOU KNOW, ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE, UH, UH, PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET, YOU CAN LACE IT IN.
AND SO WE HAVE A, WE'VE PROBABLY, I'VE PROBABLY HAD HALF A DOZEN CONVERSATIONS WITH APPLICANTS THAT NEVER MAKE IT THIS FAR 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF BEING HANDLED AT A ROUTINE MAINTENANCE LEVEL.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE C OF A THEMSELVES, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER HAD TO DO, HAVE DONE ONE IN MY THREE YEARS YET WITH YEARS, BUT, SO I JUST AM COMMENTING THAT WE DO DEAL WITH THE FLOORS.
WE HAVE A SIGN ON THE WALL THAT'S BEEN THERE STAFF FOR ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF THAT SAYS PORCH FLOORING, ONE IN BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE PERPENDICULAR THE STREETS.
SO WE, EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA COMMENT CHAIR.
MR. JACKSON, CAN I ASK, UM, TO COMMISSIONER YAPS COMMENTS, DO WE, ROMAN DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF THE, IF THE, UM, STRUCTURAL MEMBERS OF THIS PORCH WERE TOUCHED DURING THIS PROJECT? WELL, THE, THE OWNER TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE NOT, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THANK YOU, UH, VICE CHAIR.
WE, OUR JACKSON, THE, UH, WHEN THIS CAME UP, I CHECKED WITH, UH, INSPECTIONS AND THEIR COMMENT WAS, IF SOMEONE IS ONLY REPLACING A PORCH FLOOR, JUST THE DECK ALONE, THEY DON'T NE THEY WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT JUST FOR THAT IF THAT'S ALL THAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND SO THEY ASKED ME TO CHECK WITH THE OWNER TO SEE IF THE FLOOR JOISTS WERE REPLACED.
HE SENT ME SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND IN INDICATED OR INFERRED THAT THE FLOOR JOISTS WERE NOT REPLACED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
BUT AS WE KNOW HOW THE LAW WORKS, YOU CAN BE, YOU CAN NEED A CFA AND NOT NEED, UM, A PERMIT.
AND, AND, AND EVEN THEN, UM, TAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UH, THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT, WITHOUT AN APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT.
SO IT'S, IT'S EVEN A DIFFERENT THING.
BUT THERE ARE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN ALSO GET ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH FLOORING USING OTHER WOODS THAT ARE NOT TREATED THAT WILL NOT ROT ROT.
AND THERE ARE SOME SYNTHETIC PRODUCTS THAT ARE ALSO THE SAME PROPORTIONS THAT HAVE A VERY LONG LIFESPAN.
BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF, OF, OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? OKAY, AT THIS TIME I HAVE THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
UM, WELL, I, ONE SECOND, I NEED TO COME BACK TO YEAH, SURE.
I HAVE DAVID, STEFAN, JERRY, HE ISN'T PRESENT AND WE ARE I DO DON'T, I STAFF DOES NOT SEE HIM ONLINE, SO HE MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE MEETING.
THE NEXT PERSON SIGNED UP ON THE ITEM WAS BERNARDO RIOS.
WE HAVE, UH, IT SAYS B FIVE ON FIFTH STREET.
THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP ON B FIVE IS STEVEN LONGMEYER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND THE ONE WHO OBTAINED ALL THE SIGNATURES TO GET THE FIRST MONTROSE COMMONS HISTORIC DISTRICT ESTABLISHED MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A, AN ORIGINAL BUILDING IN THE LOCKHART CONNOR AND BARA EDITION, WHICH CELEBRATES ITS SESQUICENTENNIAL THIS YEAR.
SO IT IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO US, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE MAINTAIN HISTORIC MATERIALS AND DON'T CREATE A DISNEYLAND PARK.
THIS WAS DONE ON A FRIDAY EVENING BY AN OWNER WHO HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ISSUED SIGNIFICANT COORS FOR WORK DONE WITHOUT PERMITS ON AN ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT TWO YEARS AGO.
SO HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT HE NEEDED TO AT LEAST CALL STAFF BEFORE HE PULLED A PORCH OFF ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON, DISPOSED OF THE HISTORIC MATERIALS ON A SATURDAY WHILE WE 3 1 1 ON SATURDAY MORNING TO TRY AND GET AN INSPECTOR OUT.
WE AGREE WITH ROMANS, UH, ASSESSMENT THAT THE PRESENT MATERIAL SHOULD BE REMOVED SINCE THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE SUPPORT BOARDS UNDER IT.
THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT TIME FOR AN INSPECTOR TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THEM.
AND WITH REGARD TO COMMISSIONER
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YAPS CONCERNS ABOUT ROTTING, UH, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH MYSELF TO PRESENT SOME VIABLE ALTERNATIVES SINCE YOU CAN'T GET 100-YEAR-OLD CYPRUS BOARDS FOR THIS PORCH.AND IT'S NOT ANY MORE OLD GROWTH PINE OF AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT IS AVAILABLE, I'M GONNA TRY AND TALK LOUD, IS THIS LOWS PRETREATED FIVE QUARTERS, UH, PORCH BOARD.
NOW IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED PROPERLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE KILL AND DRIED MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER MORE TIME.
ANY OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS, PLEASE PROCEED.
IN ORDER TO PREVENT SHRINKAGE AND GAPS FORMING, IT WOULD NEED TO BE KILN DRIED.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.
I'VE HAD TO PUT KILN DRIED PRESSURE TREATED BOARDS ON MY A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE.
UH, IT'S PART OF HAVING AN OLD HOUSE.
IT'S PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS NOT AS THOUGH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS NOT RECEIVED MULTIPLE RED TAGS AND WARNINGS FROM THIS COMMISSION OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU STRONGLY CONSIDER A VERY CAREFULLY DIRECTED CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE REPLACEMENT OF THESE WITH APPROPRIATE ONE BY FOUR OR FIVE QUARTERS BY FOUR PORCH BOARDS.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR I'LL SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP.
DID YOU SAY THAT THAT'S PINE, THE PRODUCT ON THE LEFT THAT YOU MENTIONED, DO YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT? LOWE'S? I'M NOT PICKING LOWE'S, BUT I FOUND THEM ON THEIR WEBSITE.
YEAH, WHAT LOWE'S HAS IN STOCK.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY HAVE THEM IN STOCK.
I'M CURIOUS, IS IT PINE WOOD? IT IS.
PINE WOOD PIECES IS PINE AND THE OTHER ONE I BELIEVE IS PRETREATED PINE.
UM, AND IN ORDER TO GET KILN DRIED YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEIR MANAGER TO SPECIAL ORDER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR, UH, YOUR PASSION FOR THE ISSUE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT'D LIKE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF? IF SO, OKAY.
UM, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY OWN COMMENT IS THAT THERE, THERE ARE MILLS IN TOWN AND THAT YOU CAN ALSO ORDER OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT TREATED BUT ARE, UM, WOODS LIKE SPAN A SEED AND OTHER THINGS THAT DO NOT ROT, TAKE PAINT AND CAN SURVIVE THIS, THIS, UH, THEY ACT AS OLD GROWTH, IF YOU WILL.
AND ALSO THERE ARE SYNTHETIC PRODUCTS THAT ARE MADE THAT HAVE THE SAME PROFILES OF HISTORIC PORCHES AND CAN BE PAINTED.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY OF OPTIONS IN THIS, IN THIS TYPE OF FLOORING THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS OBVIOUSLY AS WELL.
ARE, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF, OF COMMISSIONERS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS, IS THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER, CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT WITH MY NAME? YES.
UM, I FEEL I I DO AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE TWO BY SIX.
HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT WE ARE TOO STRINGENT WITH THE, WITH THE UH, RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE TO JUST USE BACK ONE BY FOUR TONGUE AND GROOVE.
UH, BECAUSE IF THE FLOOR FLOOR JOISTS ARE ALL ROTTED AND WE PUT BACK CONSISTENT TWO BY SIX FLOOR JOISTS, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE SLOPE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYMORE.
THAT SLOPES TOWARD THE FRONT BECAUSE TONGUE AND GROOVE DEMANDS IT.
I HAVE USED TONGUE AND GROOVE, UH, EVEN UH, UH IN THE VERY BEGINNING BUT, AND THEY WERE TREATED.
BUT THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THE YELLOW PINE TREATED IS THAT WITH TIME, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT K DRY, THE ON COST REASONS, THEY WARP WITH TIME AND THEY ACTUALLY WARP AND THEN WITH THE TONGUE IT BECOMES THEY BOW.
UH, AND THAT IS THE ISSUE WHY I PERSONALLY HAVE UH, HAVE UH, MOVED TO JUST ONE BY SIX DECK BOARDS BASICALLY BECAUSE MY FLOOR JOS ARE ALL LEVEL.
SO THAT CAN TAKE WATER E EITHER WAY IT CAN FLOW ON EITHER SIDE OF THE GROOVE BASICALLY.
BUT THAT'S THE REASON I FEEL THAT I AGREE WITH PART, THE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION BUT NOT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
WILL THE PERSON WHO MADE THE SECOND PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD? MCNEIL.
OKAY, WE'RE NOW WE'LL BE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 8 7 5 2 3
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ROCK HILL STREET.SEEMS LIKE FOREVER IN AGE SINCE WE LAST SAW EACH OTHER.
THIS IS UH, MEMBERS COMMISSION, THE STAFF PERSON JASON AL.
I SUBMIT ITEM B EIGHT AT 7 5 2 3 ROCK HILL STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1962.
APPLICANT HAS REPLACED ORIGINAL ILLUMINA WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS, DOUBLE HONK INSET AND RECESSED STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF COA ISSUANCE OF COR FOR WORK COMPLETED AND THE CONDITION THAT SURFACE MOUNTED MUONS OF SAME SHAPE BE PLACED ON THE FOUR WINDOWS ON FRONT ELEVATION WHERE THE DIAMOND PATTERN SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT PATTERN APPEARS.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS ARE THERE.
QUESTION COMMISSIONER? UH, MCNEIL.
SO I PULLED THIS 'CAUSE I LOVE TO TALK ABOUT WI WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
I LOVE TO TALK ABOUT WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE FRONT AND I SAW DIAMOND LIGHT PATTERNS ON THE FRONT WINDOW.
SO I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE, WHERE YOU'RE APPLYING THESE APPLIED DIAMOND MUTTON BARS.
SO IF THERE WAS ON THE ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THEY HAD SCREENS, THEY HAD A DIAMOND PATTERN AND SO THE HOMEOWNER THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO BUY VINYL WINDOWS WITH DIAMOND PATTERN GROWS BETWEEN THE GLASS.
AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT TO REPLICATE THAT, THAT WE PUT THIS SURFACE MOUNTAIN BUTTONS WHERE THE DIAMOND PATTERN PIERCE IN THOSE GIRLS BETWEEN THE GLASS.
AND THAT SHOULD BE ON PAGE GO DOWN PAGE PLEASE.
I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 13, THE PHOTOGRAPH.
SO YOU'RE ADDING BUTTON BARS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS THAT IS THE CONDITION AS PART OF THE COR? YES.
AND DID THEY PULL ANY PERMITS OR APPROACH, UM, ANYONE ON STAFF FOR A COA BEFORE THEY DID ALL THIS WORK? SO A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND ON THIS IS THEY ACTUALLY DID CONTACT TWO COMPANIES.
ONE OF THEM DOES SELL THE CREST MARK ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT THEY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE THE DIAMOND PATTERN SO THEY WENT OVER WITH VINYL.
SO, AND THEN THEY DID APPLY BUT IT WAS SITTING IN DRAFT MODE.
WHEN THEY STARTED CONTACTING THE OFFICE AND I TALKED TO THEM, I SAID YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS FULLY SUBMITTED.
BY THE TIME THEY GOT A FULLY SUBMITTED OUT OF DRAFT MODE, THEY HAD THEM INSTALLED PRESSURED BY THE WINDOW COMPANY THAT IF THEY DO NOT INSTALL THEM THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE 'EM STORAGE FEES.
SO THEY GOT THEM ON THIS RESPECT.
SO BY TIME I WAS ABLE TO SEE THIS FULLY COME ACROSS AS AN APPLICATION THAT ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
MR. JACKSON? JASON, UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL IN PICTURES A THREE AND FOUR OR ONE AND TWO.
WHAT'S BURGLAR BAR AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOW? WERE THEY A SINGLE PANE OR WERE THEY ONE OVER ONE? LIKE THE REPLACEMENT RI THINK WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WHERE THEY'RE A TWO OVER TWO.
SO IS THERE ANY, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO GO BACK WITH A TWO OVER TWO BUT SIMPLY TO AMEND THE CURRENT WINDOWS AS IS? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND DOES IT MATTER THAT THE DIAMOND PATTERNS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS ORIGINALLY? LIKE THE BOTTOM WINDOW OF THE PATTERN'S MORE, MORE SQUATTY IN THE TOP WINDOW THAT'S MORE STRETCHED OUT 'CAUSE THEY'RE UNEQUAL? I WOULD SAY THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF IT.
IT WAS MORE OF, SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS SIMULATE DIVIDE LIGHT WITH THE GRILLS BETWEEN THE GLASS.
THAT WAY IT'S MORE ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT HAS MORE OF THE PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOW.
I MEAN, TO ME THE DISCREPANCY AND THE TWO PATTERNS IS MORE JARRING THAN IT WAS ON THE SCREEN 'CAUSE IT WAS ALL ONE PANEL.
I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I LOOK AT IT AND IT SCRATCHED MY HEAD, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS WEIRD.
AND I COULD AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT I, I HAVE MORE PHOTOS WHERE I WENT WALKING THROUGH
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THE CONTACT AREA.YOU DO HAVE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT DO HAVE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
BUT AS WE CONSTANTLY EXPERIENCE, THIS HAS BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO MITIGATE WHAT WE CAN DO TO OFFSET THIS.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR I THINK WE'VE OH, COMMISSIONER COUCH ACTUALLY, YES.
UH, I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ME BEING NOT A LIKE GLENBROOK VALLEY WINDOW EXPERT DOES NOT, DOES, DOESN'T THE, UH, THE DIVIDED PATTERN OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, ONE BEING BIGGER THAN THE OTHER, AND THEN THE, UH, DIAMOND BEING OF A DIFFERENT ANGLE IS, WOULD, WOULDN'T IT BE A, A UNIQUE FEATURE AS OPPOSED TO BEING SOMEBODY SCREWED UP BACK 50 YEARS AGO? NO, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, THE PATTERN WAS CONSISTENT.
THE NEW WINDOWS ARE INCONSISTENT.
THE THE NEW VINYL WINDOWS, THE SASH ON THE BOTTOM SMALLER THAN THE ONE ON THE TOP.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TEMPERED GLASS IN IT.
THAT THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT TOO EVEN SASHES THE OLD WINDOW WAS TWO EVEN SS.
BUT IF I LOOK AT PAGE FOUR, UH, 14 OF 22, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I, WHERE I'M GETTING MY, THOSE ARE THE NEW WINDOWS.
SO WHERE IS THE TWO OF THE ORIGINAL, WHAT PICTURE IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THEN? THE ORIGINAL WINDOW ON PAGE NINE? THE SCREENS IN THE, IS WHAT HAD THE DIAMOND PATTERN, NOT THE WINDOW.
SO YOU LOOKED AT THE SCREENS WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN AND THE WINDOW BEHIND WAS A TWO OVER TWO.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH WHAT THE ORIGINAL, I MEAN I DON'T BELIEVE THIS COMMISSION'S EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCREENS ON A HOUSE.
I THOUGHT WE, I MEAN JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY DIAMOND SCREENS, BUT THEY'RE, I MEAN IF THEY HAD TAKEN THOSE OFF, I DON'T THINK AND LEFT THE OLD WINDOWS, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO REPLACE SOMETHING OR CHANGE SOMETHING, WE SHOULD PUT IT BACK TO AS CLOSE TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE.
AND IF THEY WANT TO MOUNT SCREENS THAT HAVE THE DIAMOND PATTERN, THAT WOULD BE OPTIMAL.
BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WE CAN REQUIRE THAT.
WELL, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE SCREENS AND THE WINDOWS, THESE WINDOWS APPARENTLY ALSO HAD BARS, SECURITY BARS BEHIND THE SCREEN.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING IN THIS IMAGE IS A COMPOSITE OF THREE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF SOME HORIZONTAL, SOME VERTICAL AND SOME DIAGONAL.
BUT SO THE HOUSE HAS HAD, HAS HAD AN EXPRESSION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MANY HOMES.
AND MY MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE HAVE WE, DO WE KNOW THAT THEY COULD EVEN GET THOSE PIECES THAT GO ON THE OUTSIDE THAT HAVE THE DIAMOND PATTERN THAT WOULD ATTACH TO THIS WINDOW? LIKE, LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY WOULD DO IT.
THEY'D HAVE TO CUT LITTLE HOMES.
I MEAN, I ASSUME THEY, IF THEY KEPT THE SCREENS, THEY WOULD ASSUME.
I'M SURE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SCREEN.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY IF THEY HAD, THEY WOULD'VE FIT THE OPENING AND THEY COULD HAVE JUST PUT THAT UP THERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, WOULD'VE BEEN THE EASY FIX THAT QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I WAS WAITING UNTIL THE TWO OF YOU FIT IT.
I DO HAVE SCREEN DO HAVE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
WHEN THEY REPLACED THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, SCREENS WERE THROWN OUT AND UH, THE WINDOW COMPANY COULD SPECIAL MAKE THE MOUNTAINS OF THE SAME SHAPE TO FIT OVER.
UH, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T, WELL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THIS IS A BOOTLEG JOB.
THIS DONE WINDOW REPLACEMENT REGARDLESS OF THIS, IT'S CALLED A HARLEQUIN PATTERN.
IT'S DIAMOND PATTERN SCREENS AND IT'S USUALLY A SPECIFIC DECORATIVE ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A LARGER CONTEXT OF USUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OVER ONE.
IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S EVER TRIED TO COVER A WHOLE SYSTEM OF FENESTRATION WITH THIS STUFF EITHER IN A SCREEN OR IT'S A WINDOW BEYOND MY EXPERIENCE.
BUT WHY, IF, IF WE'VE GOT BOOTLEG REPLACEMENT WINDOWS EXPOSED TO THE STREET REGARDLESS OF THE SCREEN ISSUE, WHY, WHY NOT CALL FOR THE, UH, WINDOWS TO BE, YOU KNOW, REINSTALLED WITH, WITH MATERIAL THAT MATCHES WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION? THAT IS, AGAIN, I'M FOR THE MOMENT PURPOSES OF THIS LONG QUESTION,
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY IS WHY NOT PUT IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY REMOVE THESE VINYL WINDOWS AND PUT IN WINDOWS THAT STILL HAS THE PROFILE WITH THE HORIZONTAL MUS AND RAILINGS? YES.
THAT IS GONNA BE TO WHERE THEN THAT WOULD KIND OF BRING UP THE ISSUE OF FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AND HOW THEY HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THEM BE INSTALLED BY ANOTHER WINDOWS PAID TO HAVE THEM INSTALLED.
SO WHO PAID FOR THE BOOTLEG JOB? I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS BOOTLEG.
IT WAS DONE BY A PROFESSIONAL WINDOW COMPANY WITHOUT A PERMIT.
IT WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT BOOT.
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I DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE HOMEOWNER DID IT THEMSELVES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.I'M JUST TRYING TO, THAT SHOULD NOT BE NAMED COMPANY
NO, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT'S THE CORRECT WAY TO SAY IT.
SO, SO WE'D BE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO, TO LOOK TO SEE THE, UH, REPLACEMENT, UH, IN THE FORM OF THE ORIGINALS.
AND AND HOW MANY WINDOWS WOULD THAT BE? UH, I MEAN WITH THE COUNT, IS IT THE, WHAT'S EXPOSED TO THE STREET THAT IS IS FOUR? THERE ARE FOUR IN THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THEN THERE WOULD BE, I BELIEVE FOUR ON THE SIDE.
SO FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION FOR THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
SO IT'D BE ASKING FOR, UH, REQUIRING THAT IS, UH,
WE COULD JUST SAY THE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
YEAH, I MEAN, TO ME THOSE ARE THE MOST VISIBLE AND SINCE THEY'RE ASYMMETRICAL NOW, THEY'RE THE MOST, UH, IRREGULAR LOOKING ONES.
THE OTHER ONES ARE, THEY'RE THE MOST PROMINENT FOR SURE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE TO ME.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
I'LL START WITH THE OWNER, UH, DIANE CHASE, FOLLOWED BY, UH, THE OWNER'S AGENT CHRISTIAN DIAZ.
THOSE ARE FOR ITEM B 10, I BELIEVE WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM B EIGHT.
BUT WHILE I HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN, UM, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP.
BUT IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? I OKAY.
NOT HEARING I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE ONE COMMENT.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE THESE WINDOW COMPANIES THAT DO THESE THINGS, I ALWAYS HOPE THAT THE STAFF CAN CONTACT LIKE THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY AND REMIND THEM OF WORKING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHAT THAT ENTAILS, AND LIKE MAKE SURE THAT THAT MESSAGE IS UNDERSTOOD IF IT'S A DEMAND LETTER OR A PHONE CALL OR WHATEVER, BUT RIGHT.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A LETTER, LIKE AN OFFICIAL LETTER FROM THE CITY OR MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SOMETHING, A NOTIFICATION BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPEAT OFFENDERS YES.
THAT ARE SELLING AND INSTALLING THESE WINDOWS.
'CAUSE WE'VE COME, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES AND IT'S, IT'S DISTURBING TO SEE THIS CONTINUING TO HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND I DIDN'T, IS THAT AN OPTION? UM, MS. MICKELSON, IS THAT, IS THAT OPTION PART OF THE, PART OF THE C OF R
I MEAN, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS THAT IT SENDING A LETTER TO COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY COMING BEFORE US ON, ON APPLICATIONS EXPRESSING THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR C OF A AND ALSO PERHAPS PUTTING IN THERE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING SO THAT IF THEY WERE DESIGNING A REPLACEMENT SYSTEM, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS, SO THAT AT LEAST THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE GETTING BETTER SUBMISSIONS FROM THOSE APP FROM THOSE MANUFACTURERS AS WELL.
WHICH AT LEAST WOULD HELP US ON THIS END WHEN WE'RE RECEIVING THESE PROJECTS, EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED.
AND, AND I'LL ADD, I DON'T MEAN BY THAT COMMENT TO ASSUME THAT THE OFF THAT THE LETTER WOULD COME FROM OUR OFFICE, BUT IT WOULD BE, LIKE I SAY, WE WOULD WORK WITH, WITH MUNICIPAL PROSECUTION ENFORCEMENT HELPING STAFF DRAFT A LETTER TO, TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE THROUGH BETTER COMMUNICATION.
MAYBE WE GET BETTER RESULTS IN THE FUTURE.
AND NOT JUST TO REPEAT OFFENDERS, BUT TO ANY OFFENDERS.
'CAUSE HOPEFULLY THEY DO IT ONCE AND THEN THEY DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
THIS IS ALMOST UNTENABLE HOW OFTEN THIS AND THE FACT THAT THEY, I THINK JASON SAID THAT THEY WERE PRESSURED TO INSTALL IT BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA GET STORAGE FEES AND ALL THAT NONSENSE.
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW RULES AND REGULATIONS AND SO ON.
WHICH MEANS THEY BOUGHT THE WINDOWS BEFORE THEY EVER PROBABLY EVEN STARTED THE COA.
BUY THE WINDOWS THEN DO A COA.
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THE WINDOW COMPANY SHOULD JUST DO A QUICK SEARCH AND LOOK AND SEE IF IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT TAKES THREE SECONDS ON TO DO THAT.BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MUCH INPUT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE, WE'RE RUBBER STAMPING THIS ALMOST EVERY TIME IT COMES.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ISSUING A COR WE'RE, WE'RE NOT MAKING FOLKS GO BACK.
I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS 'CAUSE IT'S NOT TO PUT THE UNDUE BURDEN ON THE HOMEOWNER WHO'S BEING PRESSURED, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY, THEY MAKE THE DECISION TO DO IT.
THEY MAKE THE DECISION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I'M, UM, I MEAN I'M LEANING TOWARDS COMMISSIONER CURRY AND, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOLUTION TO, TO REPLACE WINDOWS WELL AND PENALTIES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NON-COMPLIANCE FINES THAT WE DON'T GET ANY UPDATES ON THAT OR ANYTHING.
COMMISSIONER CURRY, WERE YOU WELL, IF YOU SPEED AND YOU GET A TICKET, THEN YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA SPEED AGAIN, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE GOTTA GET BACK TO THE MATTER.
COMMISSIONER CURRY, WERE YOU INTERESTED IN MAKING SOME, ANY SORT OF PROPOSAL? YEAH, I THINK ROMAN, YOU WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING ROMAN AYE.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT ABOUT HOW STAFF WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT INTERNALLY.
ONE, I WANT TO COMMENT ON PAGE 20.
THERE'S A, I THINK IF WE JUST GO DOWN ONE PAGE HERE, UH, LET'S SEE, THAT'S 19.
IF YOU'LL GO DOWN ONE MORE PAGE.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE STUCK THERE IN YOUR REPORT.
YOU'LL NOTICE A HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE 20 AND THAT HAS THE SAME WINDOWS.
NOW I CAN'T GET MY FINGERS ON IT.
AND THAT'S A NOT ANOTHER NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME LIKE THIS NON-CON, JASON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME.
SO WE HAVE A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME AT 75 23 ROCK HILL AND WE HAVE A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME AT 75, 22.
NOW, THEY DIDN'T, UH, AUGMENT THE, THE, UH, INCORRECTNESS BY MAKING THE WINDOW TWO THIRDS, ONE THIRD OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT'S SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE, SO, SO ONE THING WE CONSIDERED WAS THE CONTEXT AREA AND IT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT IS THIS PART OF GLEN BROOK VALLEY HAS A LOT OF NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSES.
IT'S, IT'S A JASON, IF I'M CORRECT, IS THERE A VERY INTENSE AMOUNT OF NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSES RIGHT AROUND IN THIS BLOCK? THERE IS.
I, IT'S NOT SHOWING ON THE MAP.
BUT THE, THE DESIGNATION FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING IS COMPLETELY ARBITRARY HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD A CUTOFF DATE AND IT WAS 50 YEARS.
AND NOW THESE HOUSES WOULD ALL BE CONTRIBUTING IF THIS HAD BEEN UPDATED LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
UM, HOWEVER, SO WE, WE WENT IN THE AREA, JASON SAID, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE GET, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, IN THE MEETING EARLIER, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP? AND UH, WE'LL WORK ON SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY DOWN THE LINE.
BUT FOR ME, UH, COMMON SENSE WHEN SOMEONE'S ABLE TO MAKE SUCH PREDATORY PRACTICES UPON SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE CHARGED STORAGE WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SOLD IN THE WINDOWS KNOWS THEY'RE SELLING 'EM IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
LET'S BE CLEAR, THEY KNOW THEY'RE SELLING THESE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ALL THE STREET SIGNS SAY HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT A LONG TIME.
SO WHEN THE OWNERS ARE IN THIS ROLE, I MEAN, WE HAVE A ROLE KIND OF WHERE DO WE STAND AND WHAT DO WE DO? WE SAW AN EFFORT TO PUT A DIAMOND PATTERNED WINDOW WHEN IN FACT IT WAS ONLY THE SCREEN THAT HAD THE PATTERN IN IT.
UM, WE ALSO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BEEN IN A LOT OF THESE HOUSES AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY MAY BE TIRED OF THEIR BURGLAR BARS.
WE'VE GOT THROUGH THE EIGHTIES, WE GOT THROUGH THE NINETIES.
SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU FINALLY CAN LEAVE YOUR LAWNMOWER ON THE PORCH FOR 30 MINUTES.
UM, I KNOW I GREW UP IN ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IN THE 1980S MY FATHER'S HOME WAS BROKEN INTO SIX TIMES.
THEY THREW HIS LAWNMOWER OVER A SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO NOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND YOU DON'T NEED THE BARS.
I PUT MINE OUT AT HEAVY TRASH.
BUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING THOSE BARS OUT, THEY HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE TO GET THOSE BARS OUT.
THEY GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO REMOVE 'EM.
AND HERE COMES, YOU KNOW, WINDOW MIRACLE HERE.
AND WE, WE CAN GET THOSE WINDOWS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.
WE CAN GET THOSE BARS OUT FOR YOU.
WE CAN GET THOSE WINDOWS WHERE THEY'RE OPERABLE FOR YOU AND, AND HERE'S OUR PRODUCT.
AND SO WE CONSIDER THE WHOLE PICTURE.
UM, AND AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF JUST ADDING MUTTONS.
IN THIS CASE IT DOESN'T, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, BUT WE, WE, IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION AND, AND WE WON'T BE OFFENDED IF IT'S THAT YOU REMOVE THEM ALL.
UM, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE APPEALS PROCESS AND THE FINANCIAL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES INTO PLAY, BUT IT, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
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THEY'RE KNOCKING ON THOSE DOORS.THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THOSE WHEN BARS OUT, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, WE HAD A WINDOW WORKSHOP WHERE WE'VE SHOWN PEOPLE HOW TO RESTORE THESE WINDOWS.
WE'VE, THERE'S A VIDEO ONLINE CITY OF HOUSTON, YOU CAN GO TO IT AND IT SHOWS YOU HOW TO RESTORE THESE ALUMINUM ORIGINAL WINDOWS SO THAT THEY OPERATE REALLY, REALLY WELL AND THEY LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE? AND WE ALSO STAFF, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WAS JUST AT, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOW FACTORIES, I GUESS IT WAS AT A TOUR.
AND, AND REALLY WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTION.
I FRANKLY THINK AS A, WHEN WE LANDMARKED MADE A HISTORIC DISTRICT OVER SO MANY HOMES WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF THIS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DID.
I THINK THE CITY DID IT WITHOUT ENOUGH CONSIDERATION WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IF I WAS HERE.
I'M HERE NOW AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.
BUT THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE APPLIED MU IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE VINYL THAT HAVE AN, A SINGLE PIECE OF GLASS IN A SASH AND THERE IS AN INTERNAL BAR, IT IS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE AN EXTERIOR, A GLUE APPLIED MU THAT THAT'S THE SAME EVEN FOR THE TEXT STORE COMMISSION REQUIRES THAT ON LIKE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW SYSTEM.
UM, SO THAT IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A MU IN THERE AND NOT IT'S THAT WHAT'S WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED IS HAVING ONE INSIDE THE GLASS WITHOUT SOMETHING EXTERNAL IS SORT OF THE ANOTHER OVERLAY ISSUE FOR THIS APPLICANT OR THIS APPLICATION.
WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME? THEY'RE HELD TO THE EXACT SAME STANDARD OF AS ALL THE CONTRIBUTING HOMES IN THE DISTRICT.
ROMAN, COULD YOU READ OUT THE REQUIREMENT? SURE.
IT'S ACTUALLY, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT WE'VE GOT IT THERE UNDER ION NOT CONTRIBUTING RIGHT HERE AT THE TOP.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE WINDOWS THAT THEY INSTALLED UNDER AT THE VERY TOP OF PAGE TWO ONE A, IT HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT PROPERTY AS ITS THIS BUILDING AS A PRODUCT OF ITS OWN ATTI, UH, TIME.
TWO, THEY MUST MEET THE FEATURES OF THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE, WHICH THEY DIDN'T DO, WHICH WAS AN ALUMINUM TWO OVER TWO.
UH, WITH A CUSTOM ARGUE BY, I WOULD ARGUE THE SCREENS ARE AN ARCHITECTURALLY DEFINING FEATURE.
BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE DIAMOND PATTERN SCREEN.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT JUST HAVING THEM ORDER SOME OF THOSE AND PUT 'EM ON.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT IT, IT CAN ALSO MATCH CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THEY EITHER HAVE TO MATCH THEIR OWN HOME OR CONTRIBUTING A HOME THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT.
AND IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, PRETTY STRONGLY YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE.
IT DIDN'T DO EITHER, EXCEPT THEY DID PUT A DIAMOND PATTERN IN IT.
WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A, UH, A WAY TO MATCH IT.
FOR ME, THE WHITE VINYL IS THE BIGGEST MM-HMM
'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THOSE OTHER CONTRIBUTING, NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSES ON THE BLOCK AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE THAT HAS WHITE VINYL IS JUST, JUST SCREAMS COMPARED TO IF THEY HAD DONE ANYTHING WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS OR EVEN SILVER VINYL OR SOMETHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH WORLD WORLD OR, UH, ANY COMPANIES LIKE THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY COME UP WITH SOME EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION TOOL TO REACH OUT.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY OF THESE COORS, WE NEED TO BE SENDING LETTERS TO THESE COMPANIES AT LEAST TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE WATCHING YOU.
AND, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH WE, UM, THIS HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE CLEARLY IN VIOLATION AND THEY DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT AND THEY KNEW THE PROCESS.
THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS AND THEY STILL CHOSE TO JUST FLIP THEIR FINGER AT THE CITY AND SAY, WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING YOUR PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE WANNA DO.
UH, SO WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW COMING FROM THE DISCUSSION? I HEAR, UH, CHANGES TO FOUR OF THE EIGHT WINDOWS POSSIBLY AND, AND SO ON.
SO DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRM RECOMMENDATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE STAFF? I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT I, I MEAN, I WOULD WELCOME TO HAVE A MOTION AND TEST TO TEST
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. COUCH THAT WE DO A C OF R AND AS PART OF THAT, WE MAKE THEM REPLACE THE FOREFRONT WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH SOME SORT OF A DIAMOND PATTERN AND TWO EQUAL SASHES IN THE WINDOW.
DIDN'T HAVE A DIAMOND PATTERN IN IT.
IT WAS THE SCREEN HAD A DIAMOND PATTERN.
IT, WELL, I GUESS WE COULD LET THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANNA PUT A SCREEN WITH A DIAMOND PATTERN OR SOMETHING, I SUGGEST LEAVE, SEE DIAMONDS WERE THERE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW FROM THE STREET.
SO IF THEY WANTED IN THE GLASS OR THEY WANT A SCREEN, WE CAN LET THEM DECIDE THAT.
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I THINK IT WOULD BE CLEAR JUST TO MAKE THEM TO THE SCREEN DISCUSSION.COULD WE LEAVE THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND HAVE A, MAKE AN ALUMINUM SCREEN THAT MATCHES WITH THE ORIGINAL? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT COSGROVE'S SAYING.
IF I MAY SAY, I'M NOT TRYING JUMP IN ON YOU.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, LIKE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A SCREEN.
I MEAN, IT COMES DOWN TO THAT AND MAYBE THE EASIEST FIX IS JUST TO APPLY A SCREEN.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOWS, I MEAN RESTORED TO AT LEAST THE WHITE PATTERN THEY WERE BEFORE.
I MEAN WITH THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE DIAMONDS RATHER THAN, SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO, TO JUST DO THE SCREEN AND LEAVE THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE OR ALSO TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS? I COULD BE OPEN
WELL, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE EASE OF JUST KEEPING THE VINYL FRAMES BUT CHANGING OUT WITH GLASS WITHOUT ANY BUTTONS IN IT.
I MEAN, THEY COULD GET THESE SASHES AND THESE USUALLY YOU CAN SWITCH THOSE OUT.
I DON'T THAT IT'S OUTSIDE OF MY SKILLSET.
SO, UM, THE ISSUE IF, IF YOU WERE TO KEEP THE EXISTING FRAME, YOU HAVE THE ISSUE THAT IT'S NOT EQUAL, YOU KNOW, EQUAL, EQUAL.
BUT MAYBE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, IF, IF, IF THEY PUT THE SCREEN ON THERE, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY SEE THE SASHES VERY WELL BEHIND IT.
ASSUMING THE DIAMOND PATTERN, THAT'S THE MUTTONS THAT ARE ENCAPSULATED RIGHT NOW ARE REMOVED THAT YOU REPLACED THIS SATCH WELL, TO DO THAT THEY'D HAVE TO REPLACE THE GLASS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S STUCK IN BETWEEN AND IT'S SEALED.
SO, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE COVERING IT AND IT WOULD BE TOO PATTERNS SUPERIMPOSED IF WE JUST DID THE SCREEN.
WHAT IF THEY JUST TOOK THE, REPLACED THE PANES, THE EXISTING WINDOWS, TOOK THE, AND REPLACED THEM WITH JUST CLEAR PANES AND THEN PUT THE SCREEN OVER THE TOP AND WE DIDN'T WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT THE PATTERN OF THE WINDOW DIVISION.
THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT, WELL I WOULD ASK THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A COMPROMISE.
WE DON'T HAVE REPLACE THE WHOLE WINDOW, BUT THEY CAN JUST REPLACE THE GLASS PART PORTION WITH CLEAR AND THEN DO THE SCREEN DIAMOND PATTERN OVER THE TOP, WHICH FROM THE STREET GETS US A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
AND YEAH, I I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THEY PUT THE SCREEN ON THERE, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE VERY WELL BEHIND THE SCREEN.
BUT I THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE WHITE DIAMOND PATTERN BEHIND IT.
YOU COULDN'T SEE, BUT VERY WELL, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WASN'T AN ISSUE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROMAN ON THIS ITEM, UM, BECAUSE ON MY TIME HERE, WE'VE NEVER REGULATED A SCREEN.
SO JUST, BUT, BUT WE NEVER HAD A SCREEN WITH THIS DECORATIVE PATTERN ON IT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SCREEN IS PART OF THE WINDOW ASSEMBLY, THEREFORE IT'S PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, GIVEN THAT IT IS A DECORATIVE ELEMENT AND IT IS, IT IS THE MOST DECORATIVE SCREEN THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ON ANY WINDOW ON THIS THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 12 PLUS YEARS, SO YES.
I, UM, SCREENS, UH, ARE THEMSELVES, IF ARE EXEMPTED AS A ITEM OF REGULATION IN THE, IN OUR SECTION 33.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, REMO YOU CAN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK, UH, AS A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION INTO, UM, SORT OF, UH, REMEDIATE THE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A C OF A, I THINK YOU COULD REQUEST SOMEONE, AND I WAS JUST CHECKING WITH LEGAL ON THAT TOPIC TO DO THAT.
WELL, IT'S, WOULD THERE BE AN OP OPTION, AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS A CHOICE BETWEEN EITHER REPLACING THOSE FOREFRONT WINDOWS WITH AN ALUMINUM TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION, NO SCREENS OR REPLACING THE GLASS IN THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH THE SAME CONFIGURATION, TWO THIRDS OVER ONE THIRD AND ADDING ALUMINUM SCREENS.
WOULD WE, UH, THAT DOESN'T SEEM COMPLETELY EQUIVALENT TO ME.
WELL, I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE NOT, IF SCREENS ARE EXEMPTED FROM HISTORICALLY WHAT WE HAVE COVERED, UM, THEN WE GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
BUT COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SECOND OPTION WOULD RETAIN THE WHITE.
IT WOULD RETAIN THE WHITE FRAME, NOT THE WHITE PATTERN.
BUT I THINK MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE EYESORE OF THE WHITE, THE WHOLE, BUT IF THEY DO SCREENS, THEY COULD PUT, YOU CAN'T SEE THE WHITE TO SCREEN.
YOU COULD DO LIKE SOLAR SCREENS WHERE YOU PUT IT ON THE ENTIRE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOW FRAME.
BUT WILL YOU STILL HEIGHT THE WHITE OR WILL THE I WHITE STILL COME PEEKING OUT WITH WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU DID IT ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGES OF THE BRICK, IT WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE WINDOW.
YOU LOOK AT PAGE NINE, LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL SCREENS, IT'S BRICK TO BRICK.
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SCREEN MIC CHECK.BUT IN, IN, IF I LOOK AT PAGE 13, WHEREBY THE NEW WINDOWS, IF IT'S INSTALLED, IF I PUT THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF IT, THE, THE, THE, THE SASH IS QUITE THICK AND THE SCREEN WILL BE A LOT SMALLER.
AND YOU WILL STILL SEE THE WHITES COME PEEKING OUT.
THIS IS THE DECISION BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
WE KIND OF HAVE TWO WAYS TO GO.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER JACKSON'S OPTION B, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD BE DEALING WITH.
IS THE OPTION A, WHICH IS JUST TAKE IT ALL OUT AND, AND REPLACE IT WITH A TWO OVER, UH, TWO OVER TWO GLASS WINDOW EQUAL.
I MEAN, I, I AM TRYING TO MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS.
SO MY ACCOMMODATION SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YES, WE STOMACH THE WHITE, THAT WOULD COME THROUGH ON THE SASH ONLY.
UM, BUT, BUT THERE'D BE THE DIAMOND PATTERN SCREEN OVER IT.
I, I WOULD SECOND COMMISSIONER JACKSON'S MOTION IF IT WERE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AS GIVING THEM TWO OPTIONS.
BUT I, BUT I HAVE A MOTION, SO I NEED TO HEAR WHETHER THE PERSON, PERSON WITH THE MOTION IS WILLING TO AMEND, AMEND THE MOTION.
I'M HAPPY TO RETRACT IT AND LET, LET COMMISSIONER WIER JACKSON MAKE A NEW MOTION.
BUT BEFORE SHE DOES, UH, JASON DID YOU, DID YOU WANT TO, UH, ADD TO THE CONVERSATION PLEASE? SO GOING BACK TO, I REMEMBER EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION OF CAN WE, OR CAN THE COMMISSION SAY PUT BACK AN ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN? THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WAS TRYING TO DO.
SHE DID CONTACT A WINDOW COMPANY AND ASKED IF THEY COULD DO THE DIAGONALS AND THAT COMPANY SAID NO.
SHE'S ABOUT 50 YEARS TOO LATE FOR THAT REQUEST.
AND ALSO TO I'LL ADD THAT 75, 22 NON-CONTRIBUTING CROSS THE STREET IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HER.
AND SO SHE THOUGHT, WELL, OH, THERES LOOK NICE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO STOP THE BLEEDING.
BUT IF, BUT IF WE WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON REPLACING A WINDOW WITH ALUMINUM, LET'S SAY JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, AND THE WINDOW, IF THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY WAS TWO OVER TWO WITHOUT DIAMOND PATTERN, I, I WOULD IMAGINE WE'D BE PUTTING BACK A WINDOW MATCHING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW AND NOT INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT NEVER EXISTED.
UM, AND, AND WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THE SCREEN BECAUSE IT HAD A SCREEN LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, SO, SO COULD WE RESTATE THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING TESTED? MY MOTION, WHICH I GUESS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, WAS TO HAVE THEM REPLACE THE FOREFRONT WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH THE TWO EQUAL SASS AND DIAMOND PATTERN INSIDE THE GLASS US.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT AN, AN OPTION THAT'S THAT, THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET CORRECT.
YEAH, THERE'S NO WINDOW COMPANY THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, STAFF AND I, WE WENT ON TUESDAY TO THIS COMPANY AND NO, THEY CANNOT DO THAT.
WHICH COMPANY? WINDOW CENTER AND THEY SELL CROSSMARK.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO DON YOUNG? WHAT'S THAT? HAVE YOU TALKED TO DON YOUNG? NO, BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD DON YOUNG PUT IN WINDOWS IN WE DON'T LIKE, WITH REALLY, UM, NOT THE SAME PROFILE.
VERY THICK MONS AND RAILINGS THAT DON'T FIT THE PROFILE.
AND THEY HAVE DONE WORK AT 76 10 WILBER, WHEREAS A MILL FINISH, IT'S THE CRESS MARK 100 SERIES.
BUT THE WINDOW CENTER IS A DEALER, IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURER.
IS THERE A MOTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION OR NOT? HAVE YOU WITHDRAWN YOUR IMPOSSIBLE MOTION? I DON'T THINK YOU PUT A MOTION WITH IF I HAVEN'T WITHDRAWN IT YET.
IF YOU DO, I'LL MAKE ANOTHER ONE.
DO YOU WANT I I'M, WELL, I JUST THINK WE, BUT APPARENTLY WE CAN'T SAY DO AN ILLUMINA WINDOW AND DIAMOND PATTERN IN THE WINDOW IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT.
AND THE WINDOW WASN'T THAT WAY TO BEGIN WITH.
I I THINK I HAVE TO RETRACT IT.
SO IS THERE, DO WE DEVOTE ON IT OR ANYTHING? CAN I JUST RETRACT IT WITHOUT VOTING? I, I, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS SECONDED.
SO I STILL THINK IT'S, SO YOU CAN STILL RETRACT IT, BUT I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD WITHDRAW IT.
YOU CAN WITHDRAW OR IT CAN DIE FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
BUT YOU COULD HAVE A MOTION TO DO ON THE FRONT WINDOWS TO HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL LIGHT PATTERN OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND STOP THERE.
I SECOND THE MOTION COMMISSIONER CURRY JUST MADE SCREENS.
MY MOTION DOESN'T, MY MOTION DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY MENTION OF SCREENS AS, AS WE'VE AGREED, SCREENS ARE BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
THEY'LL HAVE SCREENS OR THEY WON'T HAVE SCREENS, BUT THE FOUR WINDOWS FACE THE STREET ONLY THOSE FOUR WILL BE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS OF A MILL FINISH ALUMINUM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, PAN CONFIGURATION.
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BUT IF, AND IF THEY WANT TO ADD SCREENS WITH DIAMOND PATTERNS AND MATCH THE ORIGINAL, THEY COULD, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW.BEFORE WE VOTE, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, ARE WE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WAS? 'CAUSE I KEEP LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE TELLING.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE BARS BEHIND THE SCREEN THAT'S THROWING IT OFF THE, THE BURGLAR BARS.
NO, I, I KNOW THAT, BUT, BUT SINCE THIS IS THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF IS COMPLETELY CONFIDENT THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WAS BEFORE WE TRIED TO TELL THEM TO DO SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I THINK IN PICTURE A SEVEN, THESE ARE NOT THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS, BUT THE OTHER WINDOWS, IT SEEMS A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE THE, WITHOUT THE DIAMOND SCREEN THAT THEY, IT'S TWO OVER TWO, LIKE A HORIZONTAL MOUNTAIN, NOT A VERTICAL ONE.
BARELY NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
EXCUSE ME, ROMAN, GIVEN THE MEETING WE WERE AT EARLIER, UM, I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT ANOTHER OPTION HERE.
I PREDICT IF THE DECISIONS MADE THAT SHE HAS TO REMOVE THESE WINDOWS, THAT SHE COULD APPEAL ON THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION.
UM, BUT SHE HADN'T HAD AN OP, SHE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON WASN'T HERE TODAY A DEFERRAL WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT COME HERE AND TRY TO RESOLVE IT HERE.
IT, IT IS FINE, BUT IF SHE APPEALS IT WITHIN THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN IT GOES TO THE APPEALS BOARD AND WE HAVE THAT THING THAT GOING ON.
SO JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF, IF YOU DEFER, THEN YOU DEAL WITH IT IN THE, IN THE STAFF AND NOT LIKE JUST DOING IT.
NO, IT WOULD STILL COME BACK HERE NEXT MONTH.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IF WE DEFERRED IT TODAY, WOULD SHE BE HERE IN 30 DAYS? I THINK IF, KNOWING THAT THE DECISION THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED HERE IS THAT SHE HAS TO REMOVE FOUR OF THE WINDOWS, UM, AT HIGH COST AND REPLACEMENT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SHE, I, I'M NOT SURE AFTER AN HOUR OF DISCUSSING THIS, THAT WE'RE GONNA COME TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION JUST BY HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WANTED THESE WINDOWS 'CAUSE AGREED THAT IT MATCHES THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THIS APPLICANT WAS FULLY AWARE THAT A COA WAS NEEDED.
I WOULD BE IT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE WAS A CLAIM THAT I DIDN'T KNOW, THEN I WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE INCLINED TO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
BUT IT SEEMS APPARENT FROM THE REPORT HERE THAT THE APPLICANT KNEW THAT SHE DID NEED THE COA.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M REMINDED OF THAT MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER, WAYNE DWYER, AND HE SAID, UH, WHEN YOU KNOW WITH A CAPITAL K WHEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING, THERE'S ACTION.
WHEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING, THERE'S ACTION.
I'M NOT CONVINCED SHE KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
ONE, I'M ALSO NOT HEARING FROM HER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE WINDOW COMPANY THREATENED HER WITH FINANCIAL DISASTER BECAUSE SHE SIGNED A INTEREST AT 20% LOAN FOR, I DUNNO WHAT THIS COST, FOR EXAMPLE, SHE BOUGHT, SHE BOUGHT WINDOWS BEFORE GETTING A PERMIT OR A COA AND THIS THING, SHE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CA PROCESS PROCESS TO SAY SHE DIDN'T SHOW UP TODAY.
I SHE HAS NO ALL THAT TO SUIT.
I WOULD SECOND COMMISSIONER CURRY'S MOTION WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE ISSUE A COR FOR THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE, I I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT COMMISSIONERS.
THE, THE, THE SECTION 33 ORDINANCE IS CLEAR.
IT SAYS THIS COMMISSION SHALL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FINANCIAL SITUATION FOR PERSON.
WHAT'S, WE HAVEN'T HAD A TIME TO, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DATA.
THAT'S WHY I'M MENTIONING THE DEFERRAL.
AND, AND I THINK I, I THINK WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE FINANCIAL IMPACT BY ONLY RECOMMENDING THAT THE FOUR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE.
IT, UH, YOUR, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN, BUT I I I'M GONNA SAY RHETORICALLY THAT IF WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF, UM, WINDOW COMPANIES, SALESMEN, THEN, THEN, WELL WHAT IS ALL THIS FOR? I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK WE KNOW, AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY.
BUT IF THAT PERSON WOULD KNOW THAT IT, IF THEY WERE WILLING TO SHARE WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS, THAT IT MIGHT HAVE AN, AN IMPACT.
IN FACT, BY LAW, UH, FORWARDING WHAT I'M READING, IT HAS TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I JUST DON'T KNOW THOSE THINGS.
SHE CAN, WHAT I DO KNOW IS IF SHE APPEALS IT AFTER YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TODAY THAT THE APPEALS BOARD MAY MAKE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION, IF WE WANNA JUST HAND IT OFF TO THEM, WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE A MOTIONAL IN A SECOND.
RIGHT? WELL, IT'S, BUT ON THE SECOND, UH, WE CAN'T MAKE A MOTION ABOUT ANOTHER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
SO THAT'S, I'M I'M JUST GONNA THAT'S CHAIR.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S NOT PART OF THE FRIENDLY A I WAS ALL MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
NOT ACCEPT, BUT, BUT, BUT APPRECIATE IT.
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SO, OKAY, WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, AYE.ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND ALL THOSE WHO ABSTAIN THE MOTION PASSES.
UH, COMMISSIONER EK, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
UH, I FIND THAT IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS, THE LONGEST TIME WE SPEND ON A SUBJECT OR A PARTICULAR HOUSE IS ABOUT HOUSES WITH JUST WINDOW ISSUES.
IF WE SPEND AN HOUR JUST TALKING ABOUT WINDOW AND ALL THE TIME IS GLENBROOK VALLEY, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UH, WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME HERE ACTUALLY IN, IN DOING THIS WHEN WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR.
IT'S ABOUT A WHOLE PLAN OF A HOUSE, NOT JUST WINDOWS.
WELL, IS THERE SOME WAY WE COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT WINDOW POLICY FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT WOULD BE MORE, MORE LENIENT OR SOMETHING? SINCE WHEN WE FIRST MADE THE, THE ORDINANCE, WE JUST ASSUMED THEY'D FIND ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE REALLY HARD.
AND THEY USED TO HAVE THEM, BUT NOW THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE HARDER TO GET NOW AND MAYBE MAKE A CHANGE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT OF CRITERIA FOR WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY VERSUS SOMEPLACE LIKE THE HEIGHTS WHERE IT'S EASIER TO GET WOOD WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE 1920S WINDOWS.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE HARDER TO FIND OR THAT THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION.
NO, THEY'RE DEFINITELY HARDER TO FIND BECAUSE I USED TO USE, 'CAUSE STAFF IS SAYING THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE GONE OUT AND THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THERE'S ONE COMPANY.
THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPANIES.
THERE'S DONE, THERE'S PRESS MARK, THERE'S, WELL, WE'VE SEEN DON YOUNG WINDOWS WHEN WE WENT ON THE WINDOW TOUR AND WE AGREED THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THEY LOOKED APPROPRIATE.
BUT THERE WAS MILGARD AND THERE WAS ONE CALLED KAISER HOF.
I WOULD SAY THIS BUSINESS, NOW WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MAYBE IN OUR, IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, BUT PERHAPS WE COULD REINSTITUTE THE COMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ALUMINUM WINDOWS CAN FROM GLENBROOK VALLEY AND, AND CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING WINDOWS OVER AND OVER AGAIN COMING UP IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, AND WE'RE SEEING VINYL BEING THE OPTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE SALESMEN ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD KNOCKING ON DOORS, SELLING THEIR PRODUCT.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO EMPOWER HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THEIR BEST DECISION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE VINYL IS THEIR BEST DECISION.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO EMPOWER HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THEMSELVES AND THE BEST DECISION FOR THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT? I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
BUT HOW WILL WE DO THAT? DESIGN GUIDELINES? WE'RE OFF THE AGENDA ITEM, UNDERSTAND ITEM.
SO CAN WE PLEASE COME BACK TO THAT ITEM AND BRING THIS BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION LATER? OKAY, SO WE WERE NOW MOVED TO ITEM 10, 2 0 4 STRATFORD STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON AL.
I SUBMIT ITEM B 10 AT 2 0 4 STRATFORD STREET IN AVONDALE EAST.
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD A THREE FOOT, TWO INCH RAILING ON FRONT WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH A SECURITY GATE ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH.
ADD A WOOD RAILING ALONG THE FRONT PORCH STEPS THAT WILL NOT BE ATTACHED TO THE BRICK PEDESTAL BASE NOR THE PORCH COLUMNS.
AND REPLACE THE PORCH FLOORBOARDS WITH THE PRESSURE TREATED WOOD MEASURING ONE BY FOUR INCHES.
TONK AND GROOVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE AGENT CHRISTIAN DIAZ IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION AS IS THE OWNER.
DIANE CHASE, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THE ITEM? WHAT, I HAVE A COMMENT REASON WHY WE COMMISSIONER THE REASON GONNA PULL THIS, UH, FOR DISCUSSION FOR SEPARATE CONS DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANT TO ASK STAFF BECAUSE THE POINT I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE PROPO, THE PROPOSED PICTURE AND THE RAILING DOESN'T MATCH THE ORIGINAL, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE ORIGINAL RAILING THAT'S LEFT AND THERE IN THE PICTURE ON PAGE FOUR.
SO THE PICTURE, UH, ON PAGE FOUR, ON THE FINAL ONE ON THAT'S ON THE RIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE ASKING TO REBUILD THE RAILING TO, TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S LIKE MAYBE 30 INCHES OR SO.
BUT, BUT THE SAME DESIGN WOULD BE
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LIKE 36 OR 32.COMMISSIONER SI DO UNDERSTAND, AND I BELIEVE THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS AT TWO FEET AND THIS IS AT THREE FEET, TWO INCHES.
I DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE AGENT.
I DID SHARE THE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO AND I SAID, PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH THE HOMEOWNER.
IT CAME BACK THAT, UH, ONE, THEY WANNA STICK TO THIS.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, MY DISCUSSION WITH THE HOMEOWNER IS THEY HAVE, UH, SMALL GRANDCHILDREN AND THEY WANTED THIS KIND OF PORCH RAILING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.
BUT MY QUESTION IS OF THE DESIGN TO BE ABLE TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN I THINK WITH THAT, THAT MIGHT BE BEST ANSWERED BY THE ARCHITECT CHRISTIAN DIAZ.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON ITEM ON THIS.
UM, CAN CHRISTIAN DIAZ ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR YOURSELF? YES.
UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN DIAZ.
UH, I'M THE ARCHITECT IN RECORD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, WHAT PROPERTIES ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT ARE NOT MATCHING THE, THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT? IS IT ONLY THE HEIGHT IN COMPARISON WITH THE HEIGHT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING? BECAUSE NO, THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED, UH, PICTURE.
OKAY, SO IS IT THE BRICK OR ON PAGE SEVEN? ON PAGE SEVEN, UH, IT DOESN'T MATCH.
THE ORIGINAL, UH, RAILING DESIGN.
THE, THERE'S THE END AT THE VERY END ON THAT COLUMN.
YOU'LL SEE THE RAILING IN THAT PICTURE ON PAGE FOUR.
MR. MR. DIAZ, COULD YOU, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR STATEMENT PLEASE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS NOT MATCHING WHAT THE BLACK ON WHITE PHOTO IS.
I KNOW THAT THE COLUMNS WERE MADE OF, UH, BRICK BEFORE, BUT AS FAR AS THE HAND RAILING, UH, ALONE, IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING THE SAME TYPE OF BALLERS.
WE ARE PROPOSING THE SAME TYPE OF HANDRAIL.
UH, THE VARIATION HERE IS THE HEIGHT, UH, LIKE JASON WAS EXPLAINING, AND THAT'S MORE LIKE A SAFETY ISSUE THAT, UH, THE OWNER OF THE HOME ASKED US TO, UH, TO PLEASE, UH, PROPOSE IT LIKE THAT JUST FOR THE SAFE, UH, SAFETY OF THE GRANDCHILDREN.
SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT SPECIFIC ITEMS, UH, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT ARE NOT MATCHING THE PROPOSED DESIGN THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING? I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
I'M ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESIGN AS, UH, AESTHETIC, THE DESIGN.
IT SHOULD MATCH THE ORIGINAL, UH, PICTURE, THE HISTORICAL PICTURE.
'CAUSE ON, ON, ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM, IT SHOULD MATCH, UH, AS A TALL, A, A TALL, UH, VER VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ON THE FIRST REGARDING THE FIRST FLOOR.
I, AGAIN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS NOT MATCHING.
UH, IS IT THE VALLEY STAIRS? IS IT THE HANDRAIL? THE RAILING? THE RAILING, THE ONE THAT GOES DOWN THE STAIRS.
STAIRS, THE DESIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IT DOES NOT MATCH THE, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
UH, UM, CHUCK, I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP CHUCK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN ON, UH, PAGE FIVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE, THE RAILING, THE TOP IS DOUBLE, DOUBLE, MAYBE DOUBLE TWO BY SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR, I'M JUST TALKING NO, NOT THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE, THE, THE TOP OF THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RAILING, PAGE SEVEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RAILING PAGE SEVEN, IT'S THIN.
IT'S, IT'S THIN I TO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, THE ANATOMY OF THE RAILING, IT, I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS, AND IT DOES LOOK DIFFERENT.
SO WE ZOOM IN ON THE, ON THE PROPOSED DESIGN, PLEASE.
MR. MR. DIAZ, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
COULD YOU, BECAUSE, UH, I GUESS STAFF IS TRYING TO BLOW UP THE ELEVATION OF YOUR PROPOSED ELEVATION, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY TALLER GUARDRAIL, GIVEN THAT YOUR FLOOR IS THREE FEET OFF THE GROUND, SO IT REQUIRES A GUARDRAIL.
UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE MEMBERS,
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LIKE THE, THE HORIZONTAL MEMBERS, WHAT THE SECTION DIMENSIONS ROUGHLY OF THOSE ARE? AS, AS STABBED BELOWS UP THAT IMAGE? YES, OF COURSE.UH, SO IT IS COMPOSED OF THE BALUSTER THAT ARE, THOSE ARE THE MEMBERS THAT ARE, UH, VERTICAL INSTALLED.
AND THEN IT HAS IN THE TOP OF IT A TWO BY SIX AS THE HANDRAIL.
THEN IT HAS A SECOND TWO BY SIX.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE ON THE ZOOMED, UH, UH, PROPOSED ELEVATION.
AND THAT'S IN THE TOP WHAT WE CALL HANDRAIL, WHERE YOU PUT YOUR HAND IN THE TOP HORIZONTAL ASPECT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY SMALL AND THE ORIGINAL RAILING WAS PRETTY THICK ON THE, ON THE, ON THE TOP FROM THE ORIGINAL COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL ON THE, ON THE SECOND BOARD, WE COULD, UH, ADJUST THAT TO MAYBE BE A TWO BY SIX THAT GOES ON THAT SIDE INSTEAD OF TWO BY FOUR.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE EASY REQUEST.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, WHAT MEMBERS WERE TALKING ABOUT COMM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, AND I HAVE A SUGGESTION TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION IF, AND, AND, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER STAAVA CAN, CAN TELL ME IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE.
PAGE FOUR IS A, IS A PHOTO OF, UH, CONDITIONS THAT GENERALLY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF PAGE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE A SMALL SECTION OF WHAT'S PRESUMABLY ORIGINAL, UH, RAIL AND BASTER.
THE, THE VERTICAL THAT'S, I'M SAYING THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, UH, BETWEEN THE TOP RAIL AND THE BOTTOM RAIL ARE CALLED BALLISTERS, BY THE WAY.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT THERE'S A, A VERY HEAVY, DETAILED TOP RAILING CONDITION AS AS, UH, CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THE BOTTOM RAIL, BUT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S DRAWN.
AND I, AND, AND THIS IS NOT FROM COMMISSIONER STAAVA, UM, BUT, BUT I'LL ADD THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, PAGE FIVE MM-HMM
AND, AND ZOOM IN ON THE ORIGINAL RAILING DETAIL ELSEWHERE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN.
YOU'LL SEE A BETTER SHOT OF THE BOTTOM RAIL AND ITS HEAVINESS.
BUT ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE BALLISTERS, THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS IN BETWEEN THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM RAIL, THOSE APPEAR TO BE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
THE SPACING BETWEEN THEM IS LOOKS LIKE APP APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AS THE THICKNESS OF THE BALLISTERS THEMSELVES.
SO, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE DESIGN, UH, DETAILS THAT COMMISSIONER STAVE, UH, SEEING WITH HIS, WITH HIS GOOD EYE.
I THINK, UH, AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE THING, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING COLUMNS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT, UH, THAN THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS MISSING THE, UH, MAJOR BRICK BASE.
SO, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S COMMISSIONER JAZZ, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE.
THAT TO ME WOULD FACILITATE A HEIGHT, UH, THAT WITHIN CODE IS WHAT WHATEVER THE HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER WOULD WANT.
THE HEIGHT IS, THE HEIGHT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
AS COMMISSIONER STAVE SAID, NOT LOOKING FOR THE SAME HEIGHT AS THIS, JUST THE SAME DESIGN PROFILE.
I, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, NOW ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER CURRY, UH, HAS POINTED OUT WITH THE COLUMNS.
I, I'M HESITANT TO BE VERY, UM, QUITE SO DETAILED IN REPLICATING THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE RAILING OVERALL WHEN THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES ARE NOT, UM, ARE, ARE NOT EXACT REPLICAS.
SO IT'S NOW A WOOD BOX ALL THE WAY DOWN INSTEAD OF THE WOOD BOX ON TOP OF THE BRICK BASE.
AND IT DOES HELP RESOLVE THE HEIGHT ISSUE.
AGAIN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT WOULD BE TOUGH TO CHANGE ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU HAD THAT BIG, UH, BRICK, UH, BASE ON EACH COLUMN.
I MEAN, WE HAVE NO ORIGINAL MATERIAL HERE.
THERE'S, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ATTEMPT AT A, AT, UM, MIMICKING WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCH STICKLERS FOR THAT, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE BRICK BASE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN DOING.
THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF.
HOW, HOW DID THEY GET PERMISSION TO CHANGE THE COLUMNS? THANK YOU.
THE CO I THINK THE COLUMNS ALREADY CHANGED THERE.
THE, THE, THE BRICK IS SIMPLY NOT THERE AND THE APPLICANT'S NOT REQUIRED TO PUT THE BRICK BACK.
WHO DO WE KNOW WHO CHANGED THE COLUMNS? CA, LIKE WHEN THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE WITHOUT A-C-O-A-C-O-A.
SURE, BUT, BUT SOMEONE MUST HAVE GOT A COA TO UN ENCLOSE IT.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY DID IT? WELL, IF SO, UH, COULD YOU GO FIRST PAGE? THAT'S WHERE I HAVE THE PAST COAS AND THEY'LL SAY WHEN THIS ALTERATION OF THE FRONT PORCH HAD THE REMOVAL OF THE INVENTORY PHOTO TO WHAT WE SEE NOW, FIRST PAGE PLEASE, JASON.
SO THE 2015 AUGUST TO RESTORE THE WRAPAROUND FRONT PORCH, BEFORE THAT SOMEONE HAD A CONDITION SPACE IN THE FRONT PORCH.
SO THE 2015 APPLICANT ACTUALLY DID, UM, A HUGE FAVOR TO THE DISTRICT AND RESTORED IT TO LOOK A LOT NICER THAN THIS POS THAT WAS IN THE INVENTORY PHOTO.
SO, SO I'VE GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGN UP.
SO I WANNA GET TO, TO THE OWNER.
BUT JASON, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PORCH WAS BUILT IN AS A ROOM ENCLOSED, BUT BEFORE, WAS THE BRICK STILL THERE OR THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN THE BRICK WAS REMOVED? SAY THAT AGAIN.
WHAT WAS NOT THERE? THE, THE BRICK BASE IS ON THE COLUMNS.
I'M GOING, IT WAS STILL THERE.
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WE, I STILL, THE COLUMNS STILL THERE.SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL ON THE, ON THE INVENTORY PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BLOCK COLUMNS, SQUARE COLUMNS, OSTENSIBLY ON TOP OF, I MEAN, I GUESS OVER HERE ON THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU'RE FACING THE PORCH.
I CAN'T TELL THAT, THAT OBJECTION.
LET, LET ME LET, LET THE HOMEOWNER, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US MORE ENLIGHTENMENT, BUT THERE ARE NO COLUMNS TO THE LEFT.
YEAH, BUT THAT, THAT BRICK DOESN'T, THAT BRICK DOESN'T, DOESN'T MATCH.
SO LET ME, SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR WITH, I GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS FORM STONE.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS FOR FORM DIANE CHASE.
COULD DIANE CHASE PLEASE ANNOUNCE HERSELF AND COULD YOU, UM, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HI, CAN, AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SORRY, I JUST JUMPED OUT OF A BOARD MEETING.
SO, UM, WE WERE NOT THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE AT THAT TIME.
WE JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE, UH, THIS YEAR.
UM, WE BOUGHT IT AT THE END OF JANUARY.
AND, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, UH, STATEMENTS TO MAKE TO THE COMMISSION IN ADDITION? SURE.
I MEAN, THE, ACTUALLY THE, THE ONE HISTORIC PHOTO, THE, THE ONE THAT DATES THE FORTIES WAS FOUND AFTER WE SUBMITTED THE DRAWINGS, THE ATTEMPT TO, UM, PUT THE RAILING ON, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER HISTORIC HOUSES THAT ARE ON OUR STREET, AND IT, IT LOOKS AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO WHAT WE COULD SEE ON THE, THE STREET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COLORATION, ET CETERA.
WE TOOK TO MATCH, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING HOUSE AS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER? COMMISSIONER CURRY? YES.
UH, MS. CHASE, ARE YOU OPEN? HAVE YOU HEARD OUR, UM, RECENT DIALOGUE ABOUT THE ISSUES OF THE RAILING? HAVE YOU BEEN LISTENING FOR THE LAST FEW MINUTES? YES, YES.
LET ME, LET ME ACTUALLY MOVE TO A PLACE WHERE I CAN TURN THIS LOUDER.
MY GOAL IS TO PUT RAILINGS,
THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR THAT YOUR GOAL IS TO ADD RAILINGS AND, AND WE'RE CLEAR THAT THERE WERE RAILINGS AS A MAJOR, UH, FEATURE OF THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY AND, AND THAT YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING TO REINSTALL RAILINGS FOR YOUR OWN REASONS NOW.
AND WE, AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE WONDERING, OR I'M WONDERING, WOULD YOU'RE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF A, OF A, OF A RAILING, UH, PROFILE, A SECTION SAY TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS? UH, MORE LIKE WHAT WE SEE IN THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS? YES.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE'RE GONNA PUT BRICK ON THE BOTTOM OF THE COLUMNS THAT EXIST THERE NOW, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE HOUSE WE BOUGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND COMMISSIONER CURRY, I BELIEVE ON THE INVENTORY PHOTOGRAPH ON PAGE FOUR, THERE IS, UM, A PARTIAL DETAIL OF THAT BASIC SILHOUETTE THAT'S STILL INTACT.
AND I GUESS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE FOR THE ARCHITECT IS THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE TWO FLAT BOARDS, THE, THE, THE TOP I THINK IS FLAT, BUT THE, THE LOWER THE BOARD BELOW IS REALLY LIKE A BOARD RUNNING VERTICALLY AND IT HAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THICKNESS, OR IT HAS A HIGHER VERTICAL DIMENSION.
SO, UM, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MR. CURRY IS THAT, UH, WOULD THE, WOULD THE OWNER BE WILLING TO SOMEWHAT REPLICATE HOW THAT SECTION APPEARS IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER OF THE IMAGE? CURRENTLY ON SCREEN ON PAGE FOUR, IT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE BRICK COLUMN ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THE IMAGE.
YOU CAN JUST SEE IT IN THE, LIKE, UP AGAINST THE WOOD SIDING.
I, I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER AND FOR THE, THE ARCHITECT.
I'M, I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE A LITTLE HERE, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS OVER THE REPLICA FINE REPLICATION OF A PORCH, UM, RAILING THAT IS NO LONGER THERE.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COLUMNS WHICH ARE ARGUABLY MUCH MORE VISIBLE AND NOTICEABLE FROM THE STREET.
SO IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THE COLUMNS BEING IN THE GENERAL LOCATION AND NUMBER, UH, CONFIGURATION, BUT HAVING A DIFFERENT LOOK BEING THE WOOD BOX COLUMN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, DO WE REALLY NEED TO SPLIT HAIRS OVER THE DESIGN OF THE RAILING? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR ENOUGH, I GUESS IS IS MY POINT.
AND I, I GUESS THAT'S TO THE HOMEOWNER HOW MUCH YOU'RE WILLING TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS CONDITION TOO.
RIGHT? AND THE, AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED TO REPLIC REPLICATE THE BRICK COLUMNS.
SO, UM, SO I, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ASK A FOLLOW UP RELATED QUESTION, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER,
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WE JACKSON, YOUR POINT, YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, JASON ABOUT THIS? SO WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS, IS, IS THIS APPLICATION RELATED ANY RAILING ON THIS, ON THE UPPER LEVEL OR NOT? SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION I HAD WITH THE ARCHITECT LAST WEEK AND HE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH DIANE CHASE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING POSSIBLE AT A LATER DATE.
I, I ASKED THAT IN RELATION TO, UH, COMMISSIONER WIEDER JACKSON'S POINT ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT THE COLUMNS ARE NOT ONLY AT THE BASE BUT AS EXTENSIONS, UH, TO THE SECOND LEVEL, UH, ORIGINALLY.
AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT, UH, CONDITION HERE NOW.
AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION I DID BRING UP TO CHRISTIAN DIAZ.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THE RAILING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE GRANDCHILDREN.
THE RESTORATION OF THE BRICK PEDESTALS OF THE PORSCHE COLUMNS WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN AT A LATER TIME.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT THE THANK YOU, THE COLUMN SPACING'S DIFFERENT.
I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT SHIP HAS SAILED AWAY AND WE, YEAH, WE CAN'T HOLD, WE CAN'T HOLD THE HOMEOWNER, THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER RESPONSIBLE.
IF STAFF WILL ASK A QUESTION OF THE OWNER, I'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, ONE MORE THING.
IT'S A VERY MASSIVE LOOKING HOUSE.
UH, IT'S VERY THICK MATERIALS.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE RAILING IS VERY THIN AND DAINTY.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, IT MAY LOOK OUT OF PLACE WITH THE NEW COLUMNS AS THEY ARE NOW.
OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COA IS SUBMITTED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
YES, WE R JACKSON MAKES THE MOTION.
UM, I MAY NEED TO DO A VOICE COUNT FOR THAT.
COULD WE START, UM, MR. YAP, COULD WE JUST, UM, COULD, COULD WE VOTE IN, IN ORDER, UH, EITHER AYE OR NAY OR ABSTENTIONS TO, TO THE, TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER COUCH? A NAY, SIR.
MOVING ON TO OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 12.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LENAL.
I SUBMIT ITEM B12 AT 5 27 FRAZIER IN FREELAND.
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, APPLICANT RECEIVED A COA IN SEPTEMBER, 2021 FOR A REAR EDITION AND A REVISION TO THAT COA TO USE.
ONE 17 WOOD SIDING ON THE REAR EDITION REPLACING THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS.
THIS PROJECT WAS THEN RED TAGGED BY INSPECTOR IN MARCH, 2023.
THE INSPECTOR FOUND THAT ON THE REAR EDITION THERE WAS VINYL FLESH MOUNTED WINDOWS.
STAFF WAS NOTIFIED AND STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE INSPECTION, FOUND THAT THE VINYL WINDOWS WERE INDEED INSTALLED FLESH MOUNTED ON THE REAR EDITION THAT DEVIATED FROM THE PRE COA AS WELL AS THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE REAR EDITION.
WHILE STAFF WAS CONDUCTING A SITE VISIT, FOUND TWO ADDITIONAL ALTERATIONS THAT WERE NOT IN THE APPROVED SEPTEMBER, 2021.
AND THAT WAS AN ALTERATION TO THE FRONT PORCH AND A RIGHT ELEVATION WHERE THERE WERE WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT WERE CLOSED OFF.
AND THEN A NEW WINDOW OPENING WAS MADE.
APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR A COA FOR ALTERATION TO THE FRONT PORCH.
THAT CHANGES ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND REPLACED THE VINYL WINDOWS ON REAR EDITION WITH DOUBLE HUNG, WENT OVER ONE AND SET AND RECESSED WOOD WINDOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AN ISSUANCE OF COR FOR WORK COMPLETED AND IS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW WINDOW ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION BE RELOCATED TO THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
DRAWING CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE AGENT JARED WORSLEY AND CONTRACTOR J TRACY
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BOWLER ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER COUCH, WHAT, WHAT ON THE FRONT PORCH DID THEY GET A COA TO CHANGE THE PROFILE OF THE ROOF FOR THAT? SO THE ALTERATION FOR THE FRONT PORCH HAPPENED WITH THE COA IN 2011 AND BEFORE THAT, THAT WAS A NON-ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH.
SO THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ALTERED 12 YEARS AGO.
I WILL ADD THAT THAT ALTERATION PER THE COA HAD THE STEPS LEADING OUT TO THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS NOT WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA WHERE A LOT OF THE PORCH STEPS ARE FACING OUT TO THE STREET.
SO WITH THE ALTERATION NOW, THE FRONT PORCH IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE TO THE CONTEXT AREA.
IT JUST WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK IN 2021.
CAN YOU POINT OUT WHICH WINDOW IT IS THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING THEY RELOCATE? UH, ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE THE DRAWING THAT'S BELOW IT.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THIS, THESE ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS BY STEPH CIRCLED IN RED ON THE DRAWING YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A SMALLER WINDOW WITH A PAIR DOUBLE SET OF WINDOWS ON THE REAR.
THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN COVERED UP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RE RETURNING IT TO HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAWN.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP IMAGE WHERE IT HAS THE WONDERFUL PLY JUMP STICKER ON IT WHERE THE ROOF ROOFS MEET, THANK YOU.
BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE ORIGINAL DRAWING OF HIS EXISTING PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER, 2021, IT WAS TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE, UH, ROOFS CONVERGE.
NOW THERE IS ALSO TOO, AT THIS POINT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO COME.
WOULD YOU SCROLL TO THAT LAST IMAGE, THAT DRAWING ON THAT PAGE PLEASE? I STILL, IT'S NOT THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SAY ZOOM IN ON THE TOP IMAGE.
OKAY, SO NOW HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THIS IS I WAS JUST NOTIFIED BY, UH, THE AGENTS AND THE CONTRACTOR.
THE DRAWING OF THIS, UM, GAS METER IS NOT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.
I WAS SENT IMAGES OF IT VIA EMAIL.
I COULD NOT GET A GOOD LOOK AT THROUGH THE EMAIL.
SO I WENT OUT THERE ABOUT THREE, TWO O'CLOCK.
ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK I WAS OUT THERE, TOOK A LOOK AT, TOOK MY MEASURING TAPE, AND THAT GAS METER IS ACTUALLY MORE SHIFTED TO THE LEFT.
AND SO IT IS CLOSER TO, SO THAT WINDOW IS NOT WHERE IT IS NOW, IT'S TO THE LEFT AND I MEASURED IT, IT'S SIX FEET.
AND IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL LOCATION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE WITHIN THAT SAFETY CIRCLE.
THAT DOES NOT ALLOWED BY CENTER POINT.
SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I DID GO SEE THAT WITH MY OWN EYES.
SO, BUT THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN RECOMMENDATION BEEN DONE, EVERYTHING'S BEEN POSTED, BUT I HAVE, UH, JARED WORSLEY AND TRACY WARE TO SPEAK ON THIS BEHALF.
BUT JUST, JUST TO RECAP, IN THE DRAWING WE SEE THE GAS METER IN A CIRCLE AND TO THE LEFT OF THE GAS METER, WE SEE A NEW WINDOW THAT'S SHOWN.
BUT IN FACT, THAT WINDOW WAS BUILT SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT.
AND YOU ARE SAYING IF THE WINDOW WERE BUILT AS DRAWN, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THIS, THIS REQUIRED SAFETY AREA OF THE GAS METER? THAT IS CORRECT, BECAUSE ALSO TOO, THIS GAS METER SHOULD ALSO BE SHIFTED MORE TO THE LEFT ON THE DRAWING.
AND SO, AND PART OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS TO DO WITH THAT THERE'S A GAS METER THERE EXISTING AND IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE NOT BE AN OPENING WITHIN A CERTAIN, UH, DIMENSION SO THAT GAS DOESN'T COME INTO THE HOME.
UM, I GUESS THEY MISSED, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS, THIS DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS BASED ON THE DRAWINGS.
I MEAN, WE CAN ONLY APPROVE THE DRAWINGS IN FRONT OF US.
AND AT THE TIME, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD AGAIN, SO THIS EVIDENCE JUST CAME IN YESTERDAY, BUT I RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND MM-HMM
AND THANK YOU FOR GOING TO VISIT, BUT, BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS WE LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED THE WINDOW WHERE IT IS NOW.
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RIGHT.SO IT'S NOT IN A SMART PLACE RIGHT NOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE IN THE DRAFTING OF THE DOCUMENTS AND THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT MADE BASED ON THE MISTAKE THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
I MEAN, WE APPROVED WHAT'S HERE.
AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO MISTAKES.
ONE, THE DRAWING WITH THE WINDOW IS NOT SHOWING WHERE THE ACTUAL WINDOW IS.
NOW, SECOND MISTAKE IS THE WATER METER'S NOT SHOWING IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.
UM, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OTHERWISE, I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP.
I'VE GOT A FEW SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. COUCH.
SO ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS ALSO THERE WAS A, AN TEMPERATURE AND A COLUMN ON THE CORNER OF THE OVERHANG BY THE GARAGE DOOR THAT'S NOT THERE IN CONSTRUCTION PHOTOS.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? ALSO ON PAGE, UH, EIGHT.
EIGHT, YOU CAN SEE IT DRAWN AT THE BOTTOM DRAWING.
AND IT'S NOT ON PAGE NINE, JUST THE, AND TEMPERATURE ON PAGE NINE, BUT NOT THE, THE, THE COLUMN.
IS IT ME OR, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, THAT IS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART.
WELL, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO PUBLIC, UH, DIS COMMENT AND I'VE GOT THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM.
FIRST SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS JARED WORMSLEY.
DID THEY SAY THAT? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
AND EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
COULD, COULD YOU, UM, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE? UH, YES.
UH, I'M HERE IN REPRESENTATION FOR DESIGN THREE FOR THE, UH, UH, ARCHITECT.
DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT FOR THE COMMISSION? YES.
SO, UH, AS STATED BEFORE, THE EXISTING GAS METER WAS LOCATED INCORRECTLY ON THE SUBMITTED DRAWINGS.
AND SO THAT WINDOW THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED, UH, WHAT'S LABELED AS WINDOW 15 IS LOCATED IN THE FIELD TO MEET THE CLEARANCE CODE FOR THAT GAS METER AND TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED EGRESS WINDOW FOR BEDROOMS. UH, THERE'S NO OTHER LOCATION THAT MEETS BOTH OF THESE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION FOR WORK COMPLETED AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW WINDOW ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION TO BE LOCATED AS INSTALLED AND SHOWN IN THE STAFFS PHOTOS.
IF I MAY ADJUST THE COMMISSION, I DO HAVE PICTURES THAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT IN.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, WE CAN USE THE DOCUMENT READER FOR THAT DOCUMENT CAMERA PLEASE.
I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE REPRESENTATIVE? MR. WORMSLEY, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE, SIR? YES.
I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, I MEAN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND THE COA, I MEAN, DID WAS A DECISION JUST MADE UNILATERALLY? I MEAN, I, I THINK FROM WHERE I STAND, THIS IS POOR DESIGN TO PUT A WINDOW THERE WHERE THE ROOF LINES MEET.
BUT I THINK IF, IF WE, IF, IF THE APPLICANT HAD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR TO STAFF, UM, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A WAY TO ADDRESS BOTH THE MISREPRESENTATION OF THE GAS METER, THE CODE, UH, ISSUES AROUND, UH, EGRESS AND GETTING THAT WITHIN THE OUTSIDE OF THE, THE SIX FOOT CIRCLE AND HAD A BETTER DESIGN OUTCOME INSTEAD OF JUST UNILATERALLY DECIDING THE WINDOW COULD MOVE SEVERAL FEET TO THE LEFT.
AND NOW IT'S POSITIONED AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ROOF LINES MEET.
SO I, I GUESS MINE'S QUESTION IS ONE OF PROCESS.
DID, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO COME BACK OR WAS IT JUST, WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE LEFT? UM, SO I, I, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT MY CALL, UH, PERSONALLY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, I, I, I MEAN I DID WORK IN THE, UH, DRAFTING, IN THE DRAFTING, UH, PROCESS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY MY CALL.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE BASICALLY ON REPRESENTATION, SO, YEAH.
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TO, UM, I HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS TO SPEAK AND UM, BUT I GUESS THE OTHER CURIOSITY I HAVE FOR THE COMMISSION IS IF THE GAS METER IS SO FAR OVER TO THE LEFT IN REAL LIFE, COULD THE DOUBLE WINDOWS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY HAVE REMAINED OR AT LEAST COULD HAVE ONE OF THE DOUBLE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED WITHOUT OUTSIDE OF THE C OF A? COULD IT HAVE REMAINED GIVEN THE GAS IS NOT WHERE IT, IT'S, IT WAS, BUT FOR THE MOMENT, I'M GONNA HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR THE MOMENT AND, AND MOVE TO THE SECOND SPEAKER.UM, WHICH IS TRACY, UH, BOULEVARD WARE.
COULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH YOUR HI, I AM AM TRACY WARE.
UM, JUST NOT SEEING, I'M NOT, OKAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, ON THE DRAWING WHERE THE GAS METER IS, THAT'S A LITTLE OFF.
IT SHOULD BE WHERE THE RED.IS.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED.
WE ORIGINALLY WANTED THE PI, THE, UH, WINDOW TO STAY WHERE IT'S DESIGNATED, UM, FOR AESTHETIC REASONS AND ALSO TO MEET HISTORIC.
UM, WE DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS WITHIN THAT THREE FOOT RANGE OF THE METER AND WE, THAT WOULD NOT MEET CODE AND CITY AND CENTERPOINT WOULD NOT DO IT.
SO OUR SOLUTION WAS TO MOVE IT WHERE THE GREEN BOX IS OVER TWO TO THREE FEET ON CENTER, AND THAT'S AN INGRESS EGRESS BEDROOM WINDOW.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY LOCATION THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO STAY OUT OF THE RANGE OF THE GAS METER.
UM, THERE IS, I THINK, A POSSIBILITY TO PUT ANOTHER WINDOW WHERE YOU SEE DOUBLE WINDOWS, UM, POSSIBLY, UM, CENTER POINT HAS A THREE FOOT RULE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THAT THEY'VE GONE THREE AND A HALF FEET, SOMETIMES FOUR.
UH, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THEM HAPPY, BUT ALSO KEEP YOU HAPPY.
SO THIS WAS OUR RECONCILIATION IN THE FIELD AND THE, OBVIOUSLY THE GAS METER WASN'T, WAS NOT LOCATED APPROPRIATELY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD ON THAT IF WE CAN.
BUT YOU POTENTIALLY, THE, THE OWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT BACK ONE OR AT LEAST MAYBE TWO WINDOWS WHERE THERE WERE WINDOWS IF YOU WERE STILL OUTSIDE.
OH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL WINDOWS ALONG THAT WALL, BUT, UM, CENTER POINT, WE'LL SHUT IT DOWN.
UM, WE'VE HAD TO COVER UP WINDOWS IN THE PAST WHEN THEY'RE TOO CLOSE TO CENTER TO THE GAS METER.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, READ CENTERPOINT'S MINE AND DO WHAT WE FELT LIKE WAS APPROPRIATE, BUT ALSO STAY WITHIN HISTORIC.
BUT MY QUESTION, WHICH I, MY QUESTION, WE COULD ADD ANOTHER ONE IF WE'D HAVE TO MEASURE YES MA'AM.
BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST THIS, THE ORANGE DOT REPRESENTS THE METER.
THE GREEN SQUARE REPRESENTS WHERE YOU PLACE THE WINDOW.
AND THAT DISTANCE APART IS ACCEPTABLE TO CENTER POINT.
AND THERE'S A GREAT DISTANCE, UH, TO THE RIGHT.
AND SO IT, IT, IT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IF THE DOUBLE, IF THE, IF THE DOUBLE WINDOW THAT WAS REMOVED WAS PUT BACK, IT WOULD BE THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE METER AS THE GREEN SQUARE IS NOT A DOUBLE.
IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD, IT WOULD VIOLATE.
I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
WHAT YOU'VE DRAWN THERE, JUST THE PROPORTION OF THE PLAN.
IT IS ACTUALLY, UM, SO AND AGAIN, SO RIGHT HERE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS RIGHT HERE.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING FROM, FROM THAT WINDOW MEASURE TO THE ORANGE DOT YES.
IS, IS EQUAL OR GREATER THAN FROM THE ORANGE.TO THE GREEN RECTANGLE.
SO IF, AND I'M JUST POINT, I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT, THAT, THAT AS THE METER SHIFTED IN RE IN REAL TIME, WAS THE OTHER WINDOWS TRULY AN ISSUE WITH THE METER? YES.
WELL, I I WOULD, THEY ALL WOULD PROBABLY WANNA SEE A MEASURED DRAWING OF THAT.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH COMM, WITH CHAIR EK, IT DOES LOOK VERY CLOSE TO BEING A, A LIKELIHOOD, AND I, I GUESS I'M, I'M STILL TAKING ISSUE WITH KIND OF THE, IN THE FIELD DECISION.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU CAME HERE TO THE COMMISSION AND HAD THE PLANS APPROVED AND YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS AND KNOW THE PROCESS.
UM, THE DECISION, I, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THIS COMMISSION IS, IS VERY ADEPT AT, IS PROBLEM SOLVING.
AND SO ONCE THE PROBLEM WAS IDENTIFIED, YOU CHOSE TO MAKE THE DECISION IN THE FIELD TO MOVE THE WINDOW INSTEAD OF COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO SAY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM, WE MADE A MISTAKE, IT'S A MISTAKE THAT HAPPENS.
CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT'S TENABLE? WELL, THEY PROBABLY COULD YOU AND JUST TALK TO THE STAFF? YES, EXACTLY.
THE NOT EVEN COME TO THE COMMISSION, THE STAFF NOT EVEN HERE, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED
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IN A AN HOUR PHONE CALL AND NOT A MONTH OF, OF WAITING FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING.SO, SO SINCE WE'RE HERE WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND Y'ALL HAVE MADE THIS DECISION IN THE FIELD, I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO SAY, GO OUT AND MEASURE THIS AND SHOW US WHY THOSE WINDOWS COULDN'T, THE ORIGINAL PAIR COULDN'T BE REINSTALLED RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THE SHIFTING OF THE METER.
WELL, THERE'S A WALL BEHIND THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A BEDROOM AND A PANTRY THERE, SO, BUT I AGREE ON THAT, BUT I WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN CALLING FOR ONE MORE SPEAKER, DOUBLE WINDOWS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE, THE APPROVED PLAN WAS CALLING FOR DOUBLE WINDOWS IN THAT LOCATION.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I THINK THE WINDOWS WERE THERE TO REMAIN.
YEAH, THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS SHOWED THOSE ONES WERE GOING BE RETAINED.
AND SO THE OTHER ISSUES, THEY WERE REMOVED AND STAFF WASN'T NOTIFIED OF THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT STAFF JACKSON WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I THINK WE, I THINK THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THE SHIFT TO THE LEFT WITH THE GREEN SQUARE.
I THINK HE'S ASKING IS THERE WAS NO APPROVAL COVER.
JASON, YOU MAY HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC TO SPEAK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT AS I WAS SAYING TO TRACY
AND THAT, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL DRIVES WAS, THAT'S THE POINT FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, IT'S, IT'S WATER OF THE DAM NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN SQUARE, NOW WE'RE, AND NOW WE'RE JUST ALSO TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THOSE ALSO JUST DISAPPEARED, UH, WITHOUT A C OF A AS WELL.
SO, AND, AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT IS KIND OF NUANCED NOW THAT THE METER HAS MOVED BECAUSE THE INTERIOR CONFIGURATION IS NOT SUBJECT TO, LIKE, WE DON'T REGULATE THE INSIDE, BUT IT'S, BUT WHERE YOU CHOSE CHOSE TO PUT A WALL, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT, THAT THE DESIGNERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THE WINDOW PER SE.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MEASURE WHERE THE METER IS TO THE CORNER OF THE DOUBLE WINDOWS AND SEE IF THAT WOULD BE WITH, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE THREE FOOT RULE.
IF, IF IT DOES NOT MEET THAT, CAN I REQUEST TO HAVE JUST ONE WINDOW? I, YES, YES.
I THINK WORKING WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT AND, AND I WOULD JUST GIVEN THE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE AND THE, THE SHIFT, UM, I'D, I'D PROBABLY LIKE STAFF TO GO OUT AND MEASURE AS WELL, JUST TO, TO VERIFY THE DISTANCE THERE.
THERE'S ALSO TOO, THE OTHER FACT IS WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE GAS METER HERE AND THE GAS METER IS TO THE LEFT, AND THEN THE INTAKE VALVE IS TO THE RIGHT BY A FOOT.
SO WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO MEASURE WHERE THAT INTAKE VALVE IS AND SEE FROM THAT.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO, YOU CAN MOVE THE GAS METER.
YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE THAT ON PROJECTS WHEN IT WAS IN A BAD PLACE.
I MOVED IT LIKE FIVE FEET OVER.
YOU CALL CENTER POINT, THEY DO IT, YOU PAY A FEE AND THEY MOVE IT.
IT, THAT TAKES, UM, AT LEAST THREE MONTHS AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT PLUMBED IN.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIX TO $8,000 COST TO THE HOMEOWNER TO REMOVE THAT GAS METER.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT EXPENSE.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE WOULD, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED IN OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD, IF, IF WE FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT IS HONORING THE COA AND THE PROCESS, AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT FROM THE SEAT THAT I'M IN, WELL FOR THAT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN EXPENSE, BUT A MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION HERE THAT RESPECTS THE GUIDELINES AND THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE BOUND TO, TO WELL RESPECT TO ENFORCE.
AND SO IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE, LIKE, YES AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, WE, WE TRY, IT'S A DELICATE DANCE BETWEEN CENTER POINT AND THE CITY AND HISTORIC AND WE WANNA MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY AND SOMETIMES ONE MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE OTHER.
AND SO IN THE, WE JUST, WE, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING THAT DECISION IN THE FIELD.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY FELT LIKE SHIFTING THE WINDOW OVER A FOOT AND A HALF, UM, WOULD RECTIFY THAT SITUATION.
AND WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE DOUBLE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING GA GAS LINE.
UM, WE WERE SAFETY ORIENTED IN THAT PROCESS AND NOT FOCUSED AS MUCH ON THE HISTORIC.
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SHOULD HAVE COME BEFORE YOU AND ASKED WOULD THAT BE OKAY? BUT IT REALLY WAS MORE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE SAFE AND FOLLOWING CENTER POINT RULES.SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO RECTIFY THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND IF ON THE DOUBLE WINDOW, UM, I, I, I KNOW THE DOUBLE WINDOW WILL NOT WORK BECAUSE IT IS TOO CLOSE TO THE LINE.
BUT WE COULD PUT IN ANOTHER, A SINGLE WINDOW AND IF WE COULD KEEP THE WINDOW IN THE GREEN BOX LOCATION, I'M HOPING THAT THAT WOULD SATISFY HISTORIC NEEDS BUT ALSO MEET THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF CENTER POINT.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER THOUGH, TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SCREEN PLEASE.
HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, THIS, THIS PERSON IS ONLINE.
CHARLES, COULD YOU, UH, ANNOUNCE YOUR, UH, PRE, UH, COULD YOU, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YEAH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M A NEIGHBOR FROM TWO DOORS DOWN, UH, 5 41 FRAZIER, FRAZIER STREET.
AND I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT HERE IS WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION IS, I'M JUST HOPING THERE'S SOME WAY FORWARD THAT WORKING IN GOOD FAITH, THE STAFF, THE CONTRACTOR CAN RESOLVE THIS IN SOME WEEKS AND NOT HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE, THE COMMISSION.
AGAIN, I MAY HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER ALTERATIONS, BUT, UH, JUST FOR THE ISSUE AT HAND, I'M HOPING THERE'S A, A WAY FORWARD THAT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE WEAK MORE OF EFFORT BECAUSE THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF REVISIONS TO THE COA, WHICH WAS A REALLY LEGITIMATELY GRANTED IN 2021.
AND THIS PROJECT'S JUST REALLY GONE ON QUITE A WHILE ADDRESSING MULTIPLE CHANGES.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT IT WILL LIKELY BE, UM, STAFF WILL HAVE A, AN OPTION TO HELP, UH, EXP EXPEDITE THIS WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE MY GUESS.
SO, BUT WE WISH WE'LL FIND OUT SHORTLY.
UM, UM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, I'M, THIS, THIS TIME I'M GONNA, LET ME START, LET ME START WITH THE STAFF.
I WANT TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I DO, IF YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, I MIGHT TRACY.
BUT LET ME START WITH THE STAFF.
SO THE C OF A WAS ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER OF 21.
HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS BODY OR YOUR OFFICE SINCE THEN? THERE WAS A REVISION AND THE REVISION, DO I HAVE IT? NO, BUT IT CAME IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
IT WAS TO, FOR THE REAR EDITION.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK WAS TO DO SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING ON THE REAR EDITION.
THE REVISION WAS TO GO WITH ONE 17 LAP SIDING.
HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FELT THAT WAS FINE, ONLY BECAUSE THAT ORIGINAL SIDING WAS ALREADY GONE BECAUSE OF A COR ISSUED IN DECEMBER, 2017 WHERE THEY HAD RIPPED OFF THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING.
DIFFERENT OWNERS, I BELIEVE, AND THEY GOT A COR FOR THAT.
BUT NO, BUT NO CHANGES TO THE PLAN BECAUSE I, I WANT TO KNOW WHY WHAT'S BEEN BUILT DIFFERS SO SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO, I MEAN THE EAST ELEVATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHEN I HAD SAID THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT DEVIATED FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK.
SO IT'S SO HOW MUCH BIGGER IS THE HOUSE NOW THAN IT WAS? WELL, IT'S NOT THE WELL THERE, THERE, IT DEFINITELY IS BIGGER.
I, WHAT I SAW WAS THE CHANGE IN THE FENESTRATION PATTERN.
I MEAN THE SECOND FLOOR EXTENDS WELL DEEPER THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN BECAUSE THE SECOND FLOOR IS ALMOST PAST THE DOORWAY AND THE ENTIRE PORCH IS SHIFTED BACK.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN FOOTAGE ADDED TO THIS HOME.
WE'RE COMPAR WE'RE COMPARING THAT ELEVATION TO THE, TO THE PHOTO OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE GO SCROLL JUST ABOVE THAT, THE LEFT, THAT LEFT ELEVATION, IT'S PAGE, PAGE 12 OF 16 AND BLOW UP.
12 OF 16, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER AND ON PAGE 13 AND THEN GO, YEAH, YOU NEED TO CROSS BETWEEN 12 AND 13.
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WHAT WAS AN INEP PORCH HAS NOW.SO TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ALL THAT IS, AND I'M PRETTY, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ROOF LINE BACK THERE.
I MEAN, WAS THAT THE DECISION MADE IN THE FIELD BY THE BUILDER TO MAKE THIS HOUSE LARGER? I CAN TELL YOU THAT I CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, SO I WOULD LET THEM ANSWER THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THERE WAS DEVIATION FROM TRACY.
NEXT YOU GO UP THE PAGE, THE BOTTOM OF 12 AND THE TOP OF 13, THE BOTTOM OF 12 AND THE TOP OF 13.
UH, THE, IT'S IT'S AN ENCLOSED THE PORCH IS PUT THE MIC PLEASE THERE.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THE PORCH IS EXTENDED, IT LOOKS LIKE, IS THIS A WALL? IS THAT A WALL? IS THAT THE SOUTH WALL? YES, IS THE SOUTH WALL.
HOW CAN I JUST BE FINDING OUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW? SHE'S BUILDING.
OKAY, SO THE, SO THAT IS THE SOUTH WALL.
YES, THAT IS THE SOUTH, SOUTH WALL I THINK.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT DEFERRING THIS? THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON HERE.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE CHANGED THE PLANS A LOT.
THEY'VE CHANGED THE SECOND FLOOR.
YOU CAN SEE JUST LOOKING AT IT ON THE PLANS WITHOUT COMING TO STAFF EXCEPT TO ASK ABOUT THE SIDING.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD HAVE A REAL THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF ALL THE CHANGES FROM WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO WHAT THEY BUILT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.
SECOND, MAY I, BEFORE CLOSURE, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? I NEED A MOTION.
WE GOT, UH, WHO A MOTION I NEED, I NEED A MOTION FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, MOVE TO ALLOW THE SPEAKER SECOND.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AGAIN FOR THE RECORD AND MAKE YOUR STATEMENT? YES.
HELLO, THIS IS CARL ELLER AGAIN FROM 5 31 ER.
I BELIEVE THAT, THAT THERE'S JUST A MIS IATION OF THE DRAWINGS AND HOW THIS IS ASSEMBLED TODAY.
UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE INITIAL PLAN.
THAT'S MY ORIGINAL, THAT'S JUST MY BELIEF.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A REVISION AS WELL FROM MARCH 7TH, 2023, UH, THAT ALSO WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO, UM, I I HAVE NO OTHER THING TO ADD TO THIS OTHER THAN, UH, I THINK THE STAFF HOPEFULLY CAN COME TO SOME REST, REST REG, UH, VIEW THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
THAT MAKES SOME SENSE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE PLANS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEY WERE DRAWN UP TWO YEARS AGO.
WELL, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED EVEN ON THESE PARTIAL PLANS.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE A FULL PLAN THAT SHOWS THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CHANGES ARE, WHERE THEY'VE ENCLOSED THE PORCH AND ALSO A REAL BEFORE AND AFTER OF THE SECOND FLOOR WITH THE ROOF LINE.
SO WE CAN SEE HOW FAR BACK IT GOES NOW.
AND A RECALCULATION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I MEAN, THIS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE MASS OF THE WHOLE PROJECT.
AND I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY PRESENTED THE PLAN THAT WE SEE AS, AS WHAT'S BUILT.
IT WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION.
AND NOW THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, OKAY.
WELL AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC, UH, DISCUSSION.
UH, CAN, CAN THE MOTION BE RESTATED IN THE SECOND WITH NAMES PLEASE? WI WANT TO, WE, WE NEED TO DEFER THIS.
UH, YEAH, JUST CAN YOU RESTATE THE, THE MOTION TO DEFER IN THE SECOND? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER.
AND WHO WAS THE SECOND? I THINK IN THE MOTION WE MIGHT SPECIFY THAT WE WANT PLANS DRAWN OF WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO I, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER AND COME BACK WITH ACTUAL ACCURATE PLANS WITH DIMENSIONS ON THEM THAT SHOW WAY THE HOUSE REALLY IS SO WE CAN COMPARE IT TO WHAT WAS APPROVED AND, AND COMPLETE PHOTOS OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING.
UH, AND ALSO, UH, SIDE BY SIDE TO THE 2021 APPROVED, UH, COAI WANNA SEE WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED VERSUS WHAT IS TODAY, RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT WITH A NEW, UH, UPDATED DRAWING.
THEY NEED TO BE SIDE BY SIDE AT THE SAME SCALE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT'S DIFFERENT AND, AND HAVE IT ALL MARKED OUT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT IS TOO, BUT IT'S APPARENTLY STILL THERE'S QUESTION MARKS.
COMMISSIONER CURRY, I JUST WANNA CONCUR THIS.
THE SECOND WAS COSGROVE CURRY.
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ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.YES, JASON, SINCE I'LL BE WORKING ON THIS, DO YOU WANT PHOTOS OF I MEASURING THE DISTANCE OF THAT GAS METER AND BOTH DIRECTIONS TO KNOW WHERE, UM, WINDOW OPENINGS CAN BE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CIRCLE? SURE.
AND, AND ALSO ON EVERYTHING ELSE, THIS DRAWING, IT SAYS FIVE FEET, BUT IT'S ONLY THREE FEET.
SO I I SO THE DRAWING NEED BE ACCURATE.
MUCH HAPPEN, BUT YOU ALSO WANT PHYSICAL DOCUMENTATION THAT I'LL GO OUT THERE AND TAKE PICTURES.
I MEAN, IT CAN BE A DRAWING AS LONG AS IT'S CORRECT.
IF YOU WANNA TAKE PICTURES, I THINK THAT'S FINE TOO.
BUT I, I JUST, THESE DRAWINGS ARE SO INCONSISTENT.
AND I WORK UNDER RECEPTION THAT THESE ARE CORRECT UNTIL NOTIFIED AT A LATER TIME.
SO, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I WILL INCLUDE, UM, ACCURATE PHOTOS WITH THE MEASURING TAPE, SHOWING THE MEASUREMENTS.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE ON PAGE SEVEN OF 19, THE TWO FLOOR PLANS ARE SO DIFFERENT AND THERE'S A POP OUT THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.
LIKE, JUST EVEN LOOKING AT IT FOR A FEW SECONDS, YOU CAN TELL IT'S D IT'S BEEN CHANGED.
THE, THE, THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING'S BEEN CHANGED.
I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A MOTION A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
AND MR. CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, IT WAS COUCHED TO DEFER WITH THE CONDITIONS SECONDED BY MR. COMMISSIONER CURRY.
I'M GOING TO, UM, WE WILL NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY UNDER ITEM C, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM D COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND I HAVE ONE, UH, SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
UH, STEVEN LONGMEYER, SORRY TO PROLONG YOUR AGONY
UM, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRIOR PRESENTATION, THE LOCKHART CONNOR AND BARA EDITION, WHICH WAS THE FIRST OF THE WHAT WOULD BECOME MONTROSE SUBDIVISIONS WAS PLATTED IN 1873.
AND WE'RE CELEBRATING ITS 150TH YEAR.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES TO MAINTAINING A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT LONG HISTORY, UH, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD THREE RAILROADS THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE COURSE OF THAT HUNDRED 50 YEARS.
AND DURING THE REBUILD OF OUR STREETS, WE FOUND PIECES OF THOSE RAILROADS.
UM, WHAT MY CHALLENGE NOW IS, IS AN ATTITUDE OF NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN THAT, OH, I CAN JUST DO, IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET, OR I CAN JUST DO A PERMIT FOR MINOR REPAIRS.
YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE NEXT MONTH WHERE MORE THAN 600 FEET OF OUR OLDEST BUILDING WAS SQUARE FEET WAS, WAS REMOVED RATHER THAN MINOR REPAIRS.
I DON'T HAVE A WAY OTHER THAN 3 1 1 TO CALL.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU COULD CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO ME IT'S A FIRE WHEN THEY'RE TAKING HISTORIC MATERIALS DOWN AND PUTTING THEM IN A DUMPSTER ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON AT 4 45.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT HAPPENS WITH LOTS OF OTHER STUFF.
BUT YOU CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LOSS OF HISTORIC MATERIALS.
SO TO ANY EXTENT THAT YOU GUYS CAN REALLY WHACK REPEAT OFFENDERS TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE, UH, AND TO ANY EXTENT THAT THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION FROM THIS COMMISSION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE ONE OF MY ONE HOUR MONTHLY MEETINGS.
'CAUSE I PUT OUT A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER WITH A GREAT BIG RED THING THAT SAYS, CALL BEFORE YOU START.
UH, AND THAT HAS NOT DONE THE TRICK.
BUT I, I NEED HELP TO, TO SAVE THE OLDEST OF THE MONTROSE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM ONE BOARD AT A TIME, DISAPPEARANCE TIME.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM E COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ALREADY TODAY FROM THE HAHC, UM, OUTTA SEQUENCE.
BUT, UM, BUT I, I DO THINK WE, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE COMMITTEE ON THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS SHOULD GATHER AGAIN OR WHETHER IT'S A LARGER COMMITTEE, BUT JUST, JUST TO, UM, I I DO THINK THAT I, I LIKED HEARING THAT STAFF MADE A VISIT TO, I GUESS IT WAS WINDOW WORLD PERHAPS, BUT, UM, WINDOW CENTER.
BUT I THINK, UM, I, I MEAN, I THINK MORE THAN A LETTER, BUT HAVING A MAYBE REPEAT VISITS TO, TO TRY TO SPEAK TO A MANAGER OR SOMEONE BECAUSE UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LETTER WILL DO.
THEY WANNA GO LOOK AT WINDOW WORLD IS THE INSTALLER.
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THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALK TO PEOPLE.WELL, I KNOW COMMISSIONER COLLINS NOT HERE TODAY.
UM, CAN, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THEY, FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE TALKING TO PEOPLE AND THEY'RE HAVING A NEWSLETTER.
THEY SEND OUT NEWSLETTERS AND THERE'S BEEN A CONVERSATION GOING ON IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH FOR AS LONG AS THE DISTRICT HAS EXISTED.
SO I KNOW THAT, UM, A LOT HAS HAPPENED.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST IF THE, IF THE, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS ARE BEING REPLACED BY CERTAIN COMPANIES AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THE NEEDS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING OPTIONS TO THE OWNER, TO THE HOMEOWNERS, THAT WOULD KIND OF HELP US ON THIS END IF THERE WAS SOME UNDERSTANDING THERE.
I I DON'T SENSE THAT THE FOLKS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THESE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
NO, I THINK THERE'S A, A HUGE PIECE MISSING.
BUT IT ULTIMATELY, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY'RE REPLACING WITH, RIGHT.
THE, THE WINDOWS PEOPLE SALESMAN ARE GONNA SELL NO MATTER WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERFECT SOLUTION IS.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, BUT I WOULD GLADLY GIVE MY TIME TO GO KNOCK ON DOORS IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IS IT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, KIM, TO HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING IN GLEN VALLEY? I MEAN, COULD WE POST AND HOLD NOTICE AT YEAH.
A COMMUNITY CENTER AND TRY AND INVITE AB NEIGHBORS? SO WE'VE WE'VE DONE IT.
IT'S HA THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
WHAT WAS THE TURNOUT REPEATEDLY? 40, 45, MAYBE ALMOST 50 PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH SANCTUARY WE TALKED ABOUT, WE CELEBRATED THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF GLENBROOK VALLEY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO.
I I PROBABLY THE PEOPLE WE NEEDED TO TALK TO THE MOST WEREN'T IN THE ROOM.
MEYER'S MONTHLY MEETING, WHICH I'M THINKING WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
UM, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T HURT.
BUT I WONDER IF WE'D BE REACHING THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO HEAR, HEAR IT, IT THE MOST.
BUT I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF THIS IS A MESSAGING THING, INSTEAD OF COME CELEBRATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S 10TH ANNIVERSARY, WHICH WAS GREAT IN THE TIME, NEED NEW WINDOWS, WANT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS, COME TO THIS PUBLIC MEETING AND LET US TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP YOU GET THERE.
NOT QUITE THE SAME THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE VIDEO OR NOT.
IF THERE WAS A PHYSICAL WORKSHOP AND THE VIDEO'S GOOD, I DIDN'T GET TO GO TO THE WORKSHOP, BUT I GOT TO WATCH THE VIDEO AND SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE WITH, WITH ACCESS TO IT AND I THINK TO THE INTERNET.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE OPTIONS.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN ACCEPTABLE REPLACEMENT OR I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST SAY GET A C OF IT.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, TRACK OF IT.
SO, WELL, I THINK FOR, TO REACH PEOPLE, UH, IN A LARGE FORMAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW THAT WE HAVE A ONE PAGE FRONT AND BACK OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THE WINDOWS WITH PICTURES, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE THERE MAYBE SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE PICTURES PAINT A THOUSAND WORDS WE HAVE WITH ENGLISH AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN SPANISH, BUT WE HAVE IT IN ENGLISH WITH CONTACT NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS FOR MULTIPLE SYSTEMS, FOR REPLACEMENT, FOR REPAIR, AND FOR INSERTS THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE FUNCTIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT PEOPLE WANT.
I WANT A WINDOW THAT'S MORE THERMALLY, UH, UH, EFFECTIVE.
I WANT A WINDOW THAT'S MORE ACOUSTICALLY EFFECTIVE.
THERE ARE WAYS TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, BUT HOW ARE WE DIS DISSEMINATING THIS INFORMATION TO EVERY ADDRESS IN THE HOUSE? WELL, COMMISSIONER, YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT VERY ACTIVE COMMISSIONER COLLUM IS PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION.
SHE'S NOT HERE TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
THEY PUT OUT A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER BOTH IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
PERHAPS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED IN SPANISH SO THAT, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE LANGUAGE BARRIER AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD EFFORT.
I GUESS I, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THEY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS A PARTNER TO THIS ORGANIZATION, AND IF WE WANT TO GET THE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE, WE WOULD, I WOULD START BY ENGAGING WITH THE ASSOCIATION THAT IS THERE AND TRYING TO, TO ENLARGE THAT CONVERSATION TO, TO MORE FOLKS AND, AND INCLUDING, UM, AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED, UH, INTERPRETERS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MEETING THERE, WE, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE HAVE AN INTERPRETER IN SPANISH.
SO BECAUSE, SO THAT WE, WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS AND I WOULD BE SO BOLD AS TO ASK SOME OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT COMPANIES TO COME AND BE PART OF THAT MEETING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT REAL.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS 'CAUSE IT, IT WILL LEAD TO A BETTER END, I THINK.
I, I'D SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO REALLY GOOD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF WHAT PLANNERS DO ALL THE TIME.
AND SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SET UP AND, UM, MAYBE HAVE STAFF COME
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BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS.I HATE TO ADD THAT TO THEIR LIST, BUT I THINK THOUGH NEITHER THEY'RE THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING REAL.
I, I HOPE AND, AND ADD THE, UH, CHAIR HICK'S COMMENTS.
I, I HOPE THAT COMMISSIONER COLLIN WILL TELL US THAT SHE'S, YOU KNOW, GOT THAT INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, PRODUCED AND THAT IT'S AVAILABLE TO HOMEOWNERS THROUGH, THROUGH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULDN'T BE.
AND I THINK THAT A VERSION OF IT IN SPANISH IS A GREAT IDEA AND SHOULD BE EASILY HAD.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT'S ALL ABOUT.
WE CAN, I MEAN, THE MATERIAL IS OUT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT HITTING THE PEOPLE IT NEEDS TO HIT.
SO WE NEED TO, THE ONUS IS ON US TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO KEEP TELLING THE SAME STORY, TO KEEP GETTING IT OUT THERE.
IF WE WANNA STOP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION EVERY MONTH.
AND FRANKLY, I'M TIRED OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION EVERY MONTH.
WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH A, A PLAN AND BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT NEXT MONTH.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM F, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT.
WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY'S BEEN A PRODUCTIVE DAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION AND ALL THE GOOD COMMENTS.
UM, REGARDING THE WINDOWS, THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE IT IS ON OUR SPREADSHEET OF AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 33, BUT ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS WE HAD IN MIND ALSO WAS THAT, THAT A LITTLE AMENDMENT, UM, RIGHT NOW REGARDING DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE'S A LINE THAT SAYS THAT THEY CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE BUT NOT LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND REALLY, I THINK IT'S, WE SHOULD AMEND THAT, THAT THEY CAN BE LESS RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE THAT COULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THE WINDOW SITUATION.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO.
IT'S BEEN A LONG THING TODAY, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
AND WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN.