* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YOU'RE READY, [00:00:01] MR. CHAIR? [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on January 26, 2023.] THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. IT IS NOW 2:38 PM UH, THURSDAY, JANUARY 26. 2023. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND CIRCLE COMMISSION. HAHC IS CALLED TO ORDER. I AM COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK. AND NEXT I WILL CALL THE ROLE FOR THE QUORUM. UH, THE CHAIR IS PRESENT. UH, VICE CHAIR AUER JACKSON. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JONES? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER DEBO. ABSENT. OKAY. ABSENT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SWEENEY VASSEN PRESENT. COMMISSIONER VEDA PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WILL BE ABSENT. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CURRY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COLLUM PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YAP WILL ALSO BE ABSENT. COMMISSIONER STAAVA. COMMISSIONER COUCH PRESENT. AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR. UH, LIN PRESENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE, UM, THE DEPUTY, THE, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR WILL GIVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M JENNIFER OSLAND, ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS MEETING OF THE HAHC IS BEING CONDUCTED IN PERSON AT 900 BAGBY STREET AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE PUBLIC LEVEL OF THE CITY HALL ANNEX WITH A VIRTUAL TEAMS PARTICIPATION OPTION. THIS ROOM HAS A FRONT AND REAR DOOR, EASILY AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, OR IF YOU NEED TO STEP OUT TO TAKE A PHONE CALL. AS ALWAYS, THE AGENDA IS AVAILABLE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM, AND IT INCLUDES PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES. PLEASE ONLY SPEAK WHEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR. IF YOU'RE IN THE ROOM, YOU CAN FILL OUT A SPEAKER FORM. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, PLEASE TYPE YOUR NAME INTO THE CHAT AND WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS TODAY. UM, PLEASE STAY MUTED AND LESS RECOGNIZED. IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, THAT'S USUALLY STAR SIX. THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT TO SOME, UH, OF THE 2023 HHC, UH, MEETING DATES FROM THE SCHEDULE YOU ADOPTED IN OCTOBER. AND FROM THE CO COPY PROVIDED EARLIER THIS WEEK, THERE WILL BE NO HHC MEETING IN JULY INSTEAD OF NO MEETING IN AUGUST. THE TRAINING SLATED FOR THURSDAY, APRIL 20TH, MAYBE ON MONDAY MORNING, APRIL 24TH. THE 2023 DATES WILL CORRESPOND TO THE MEETING INVITATIONS FROM OUR OFFICE. SO YOU WILL GET SOME NOTICE IN WRITING OF THE MEETING DATES. AND NOW, UH, FOR A SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE PRESERVATION WORK THAT OCCURRED IN DECEMBER, UH, THAT'S BEYOND TODAY'S AGENDA, STAFF RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 333 APPLICATIONS THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST. SO FOR THAT, FOR ALL OF LAST YEAR WITH 26 RECEIVED SINCE WE REPORTED TO YOU IN DECEMBER, THIS COMMISSION REVIEWED 133 OF ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS. STAFF REVIEWED NINE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS WITH 96 AS, UH, FOR THE TOTAL FOR 2022 IN DECEMBER. STAFF ALSO RECEIVED TWO PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEW REQUESTS WITH A TOTAL OF 45 FOR THE YEAR. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6, OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. AND THAT INCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU. I SEE THAT WE, UM, MARK CORN IS HERE WITH US, AND, UH, IS THERE A MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT TODAY? GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR. NO, NO REPORT FROM ME. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON TO ITEM. SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 14TH, 2022 HAHC MINUTES. HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKETS IF THERE WERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR, UH, COMMENTS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? WE'D DOER. JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER MINI MEETING. MINUTES. IS THERE A SECOND? JONES WILL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THE MINUTES PASS. NOW, MOVING ON, UH, TO ITEM A AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP [00:05:01] FOR THIS ITEM. UM, ITEM A INVOLVES ONE, THE PUBLIC, A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 33, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, ADDING A NEW ARTICLE 11 CONSERVATION DISTRICTS TO ALLOW FOR THE CREATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF SUCH DISTRICTS SETTING FORTH STANDARDS AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS. AND IN ADDITION, UM, FOLLOWED BY A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 33, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, ADDING A NEW ARTICLE 11 CONSERVATION DISTRICTS TO ALLOW FOR THE CREATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF SUCH DISTRICTS SETTING FORTH STANDARDS IN RELATED MANNERS. WITH THAT, UH, ROMAN, LET YOU START THE PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. I'M ROMAN MCALLEN. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. I DO WANNA, UH, ON AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DUBOSE MAY HAVE JOINED, AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, SEE IF WE NEED TO NOTE OF THAT. I'M VIR VIRTUALLY. IS IT, UH, IF, UH, I'M ON. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ON VIRTUALLY. I'M TRYING TO GET MY CAMERA TO WORK NOW, BUT I AM HERE PRESENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIR, JUST NOTE, WE CANNOT COUNT HER AS PRESENT UNTIL WE SEE HER VISUALLY AS WELL. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DEVOS, CAN YOU LET US KNOW, UM, WHEN YOU ARE ABLE FOR THAT TO OCCUR? YES. I, OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, UH, I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE ITEM OF, UH, THIS IS A, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME STATE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WANNA RESERVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSIONERS LATER. AND YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR INBOX, UH, JUST A LOOK PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, A COPY OF ABOUT 20 EMAILS I THINK THAT WE RECEIVED IN OUR OFFICE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, BASICALLY, UH, WE'VE ALL HEARD A LOT ABOUT HISTORIC, ABOUT CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AND I'VE HEARD IT CALLED HIS, UH, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT LIGHT AND OTHER THINGS. UM, BUT REALLY THAT'S, IT'S NOT GOOD TO PUT A LABEL ON IT. IT'S A TOOL JUST LIKE A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR A PROTECTED HISTORIC LANDMARK IN HOUSTON, OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN HOUSTON. IT'S A TOOL WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY INTRODUCED INTO THE PRESERVATION TOOLKIT. AND IT IS TO PROVIDE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH A FLEXIBLE TOOL TO PROJECT THEIR COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER SUPPORT COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND E AND IT, IT WILL BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH THAN DEED RESTRICTIONS OR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THOUGH THE WORD EASY IN THAT SENTENCE IS, UH, SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, PROMOTE LIVABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN SUMMARY, UM, THE, THE WAY THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, STATES, WHICH IS IN THE AGENDA TODAY, IT STATES THAT THE, UH, ONLY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MAY INITIATE, UH, AN APPLICATION, BUT WE MAY WANT TO, WE'LL, WE'LL TIE THAT WORDING UP JUST A LITTLE. WE CLEARLY MEAN THAT THAT'S WITH PARTNERSHIP WITH INTERESTED NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES. AND WE, IT IS, IT HAS BEEN ASKED, UH, BY SOME THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS NOT BE ABLE TO BE CONVERTED TO CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AND THE ORDINANCE PRESENTLY READS THAT WAY. UM, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IN WHETHER OR NOT TO, TO BRING ONE FORTH TO THIS COMMISSION WOULD BE COMMON, WHETHER THERE ARE COMMON STREET SCAPES, STREET PATTERNS, OR SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY SITES, WHETHER THERE'S COMMON BUILDING SETBACKS, HISTORICALLY COMMON BUILDING SETBACKS, WE SHOULD SAY, UH, SCALE, HEIGHT AND GARAGE AND LOCATION FOOTPRINTS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE COULD, THAT ARE DESIRED TO BE REPLICATED OR IN SOME WAY, UM, HAVE REGULATIONS OR, UH, GUIDELINES UPON IT. UM, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS, WAS PLANNED OR DEVELOPED BY HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED OR DISENFRANCHISED COMMUNITIES, THAT IS A CRITERIA. AND, UM, AREAS THAT VAL, THAT ARE WE VALUE AS AN ASPECT OF COMMUNITY SENTIMENT OR PUBLIC PRIDE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE IS A MENU OF STANDARDS, UM, THAT PEOPLE COULD CHOOSE FROM. AND, UH, THEY COULD CHOOSE NONE OF THESE, UH, OR THEY COULD CHOOSE ONE, TWO, OR THREE OR FOUR. SO FAR, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TALL, TALL TOWN HOMES NEXT TO A MODEST SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE, OR IN A BLOCK OF ALL ORIGINAL SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CAUSE WE HAVE CONCERN WITH, UM, OPAQUE FENCES BEING BUILT TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO PULLING OUTTA THEIR DRIVEWAY OVER THE LAST, UM, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS ONE WAY, AND NOW THEY'VE GOT THESE STRUCTURES GETTING PUT UP IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S THE MENU THERE. NEXT, UH, NEXT SLIDE [00:10:01] PLEASE. HERE HERE'S MORE OF THE CRITERIA. RESIDENT INPUT, OF COURSE, IS KEY ANALYSIS OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. THAT WOULD BE ANALYSIS OF OUR INTERNAL APPLICATIONS IN THAT AREA, UH, AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE IMPACTING AN AREA. HISTORICAL STUDIES OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS. WE WOULD LOOK AT CONS, UM, CONSISTENT AND IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF CULTURAL HISTORY, SCALE AND DEVELOPMENT AT CONTIGUOUS AREAS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND OTHER DATA IS DETERMINED BY, UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER REALLY SHOULD SAY THE OFFICE. I WOULDN'T DO THAT BY MYSELF. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE IS, UH, THE PROCESS FOR CREATING, CREATING THIS THIS DISTRICT IS. SO WE'RE HERE TODAY AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND LET ME, LEMME SEE. SO THAT'S THE PLANNING. UM, WELL, ACTUALLY THIS IS, I'M SORRY, LET ME REPHRASE THIS HERE. THIS IS THE PROCESS WHEREBY A NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE A CONSERVATION DISTRICT IF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WE, WE COULD CALL AN ENABLING ORDINANCE, SO TO SPEAK, THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT NOW IS JUST TO HAVE THIS TOOL IN OUR BUCKET THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD COULD COME FORWARD IF THEY CAME FORWARD AND THEN PLANNING PREPARED AN APPLICATION. WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING. WE WOULD PRESENT THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS, IF YOU WILL, THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO SEE. AND THEN WE WOULD DO A, A BALLOT, UH, MAIL OUT A BALLOT IN THE EXACT SAME WAY WE WOULD DO WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS. WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR 51% APPROVAL. AND THEN IF WE GET THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP THERE, WE WOULD COME TO HHC WHO COULD DISAPPROVE IT OR MODIFY IT OR FORWARD IT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN, UM, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 51% SUPPORT, THE SAME AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE COULD LOOK AT MODIFYING THOSE DISTRICTS OR ADJUSTING THEM TO, UM, FIT THE NEED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NOW, JUST LIKE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, IF YOU, IF A DISTRICT IS BROUGHT FORTH AND WE HAVE ACCEPTED THAT AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PHASE, WE WOULD THEN PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON PROPERTIES, UM, THAT, THAT ARE PENDING, THAT ARE PENDING DESIGNATION. SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO PERMITS GRANTED UNTIL HHC OR CITY COUNCIL MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE CREATION OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, OR 181 DAYS. THE CALENDAR DAYS MAY BE EXTENDED UP TO A MAX OF 301 TO ACCOMMODATE DEFERRAL DEFERRED ACTION BY THE COMMISSION OR BY CITY COUNCIL. THIS LANGUAGE IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE PRESENTLY IN OUR ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND JUST LIKE THE OTHER REGULATIONS, UH, ORDINARY MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR, UH, OF EXTERIOR FEATURES ARE NOT, THAT ARE NOT STRUCTURAL OR NOT COVERED BY THE ORDINANCE. LANDSCAPING SPECIFICALLY PLANTS, TREES, AND SHRUBS ARE NOT COVERED, WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THIS. AND, UH, A PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION OF A STRUCTURE ARE FEATURED DAMAGED BY FIRE, BY STORM, AS WE UNFORTUNATELY RECENTLY JUST SAW IN PASADENA AND LAPORTE AND OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH THOSE PEOPLE THERE OR ANY OTHER DISASTER. SO VERY SIMILAR. EXACTLY LIKE HISTORIC DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE HANDLE THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, BUT THAT THAT IS THE DISCUSSION ON CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. AS WE'VE, UH, AS WE'VE PRESENTED, I COULD SAY A FEW MORE THINGS, BUT I WANT TO CHECK WITH LEGAL, UH, BEFORE I SAY I'LL JUST COMMENT ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. I HAVE RECEIVED 22 EMAILS IN THE, IN THE PRESERVATION OFFICE FOLDER. UM, ONE WAS, WHO I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE SPEAKING TODAY IS FROM A PERSON ASKING TO, UH, EXTEND THE REVIEW PERIOD A LITTLE, UH, OR NOT A LITTLE, I THINK LIKE 60 OR 90 DAYS. I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT WAS, 90 DAYS. UM, HOWEVER, THE OTHER 21 EMAILS, UH, FROM, UH, REALLY, I'D LIKE TO READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD IF I COULD, OR IS THAT OKAY? CHAIR. OKAY. SO WE HEARD FROM, UH, DEBORAH HUB. COULD, COULD, REAL QUICK, COULD I ASK THAT YOU READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED? SURE. YEAH. SO THEY ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAY. QUESTION. I KNOW THEY'RE PART OF THE RECORD ALREADY. I'LL, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN OPEN THE HEARING. COMMISSIONER JACKSON, UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, JUST LOOKING AT, AT KIND OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMISSION, UM, AND YOUR OFFICE ROMAN, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OR TO LEGAL KIM, WOULD THERE BE A, A ROLE, UM, ALONGSIDE THE ORDINANCE [00:15:01] TO REQUEST STAFF SUPPORT FOR THIS? I MEAN, WE, WE ARE ALREADY, THE COMMISSION IS UNDERSTAFFED. THE OFFICE IS UNDERSTAFFED WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE JUST AN ONSLAUGHT OF CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, RIGHT? SURE. UH, COMING ON BOARD. BUT THIS SEEMS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE MIGHT RAISE THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN APPEAL FOR DESIGNATED STAFF ALONGSIDE THIS ORDINANCE. IS THERE ANYTHING AT THE CITY LEVEL THAT WOULD MARRY THOSE TWO? I, I'D SAY THAT'S A MS. OSLAND QUESTION. YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT. WE, WE GOT APPROVAL FROM THE ADMINISTRATION FOR HALF A FULL-TIME PERSON, UM, THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE VACANCIES THAT ROMAN IS TRYING TO FILL RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT. SO WE HAVE, UH, AND WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA HELP, AND THAT PERSON IS ALREADY ON BOARD, UM, JACQUELINE BROWN. UM, AND YOU MAY BE MEETING HER SOMETIME ALONG THE WAY, BUT SHE'S, UM, ALREADY JUMPING IN AND HELPING US, UM, UH, THROUGH THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UM, ORDINANCE PROCESS. YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . CHAIR, IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, PLEASE. PARTS, PARTS OF THIS TOO, DEPENDING ON WHAT THESE REGULATIONS LOOK LIKE, THEY, THEY CAN BE THE, THE PERMIT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S PROCESSED FROM OTHER STAFF IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY. WE'VE DEFINITELY DISCUSSED INTERNALLY THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER ELEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A, A PERSON WHO RE REVIEWS PLATS OR SOMETHING THAT MAY, SO WE CAN SHARE THAT. BUT YEAH, WHEN WE'RE STAFFED BACK UP, UH, WE, WE, WE WOULDN'T, WE DON'T FORESEE THIS AS, AS A PROBLEM. ALSO, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, MUCH OF THE APPROVAL IS DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. SO THIS COMMISSION'S ROLE IS IN APPROVING THE CREATION OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CREATION OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS REVIEWING THOSE GUIDELINES OR REGULATIONS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BROUGHT FORTH. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO PROTECT STRUCTURES FROM DEMOLITION, AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, HAVEN'T HEARD THAT SO STRONGLY YET FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO, UM, THOSE MIGHT COME TO COMMISSION. IT COULD BE IN THEIR ORDINANCE THAT IF IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA WITH 51% SUPPORT, THERE'S A SENSE THAT CERTAIN STRUCTURES SHOULDN'T BE DEMOLISHED, THEN THAT APPLICATION WOULD COME TO THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU. UH, PLEASE PROCEED. I'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SURE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY KEEP OUR QUESTIONS BRIEF ON THE FRONT END. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SIGN UP TO SPEAK PUBLICLY. OKAY. AND WE MAY WANT TO, TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE DELIBERATE MORE FULLY. OKAY. I CAN WAIT. IT'S, BUT I THINK IT'S FINE TO ASK THE QUESTION SO THAT STAFF CAN, CAN FORMULATE A, A RESPONSE SO THAT IT MAY HELP WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL. DISCUSSIONS. UH, SO I JUST HAD A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON, UH, THE PROCESS FOR THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT APPROVAL. UH, SO WE HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEN THERE'S, UH, IF THERE'S MORE THAN 51% SUPPORT, IT COMES TO THE HAHC. IF THERE'S LESS THAN 51% SUPPORT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODIFY THE, THE APPLICATION. SO BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCES, UH, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD IT AGAIN GO BACK FORWARDING OR IT'S JUST GONNA BE, UH, MODIFY THE BOUNDARY AND THAT KIND OF, YOU USE THE SAME WORD BANK TO DEFINE THE, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE PROCESS FROM SURE. OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTLY READ, THAT THE, UH, THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT CAN BE MODIFIED AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND THEN BROUGHT TO COMMISSION SHOWING THE 51% SUPPORT. UH, THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS, YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE RIVERSIDE TERRACE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION. TO BE CLEAR, THAT APPLICATION UNFORTUNATELY WENT THROUGH A PROCESS THAT, THAT MADE SOME PEOPLE NEAR THE DISTRICT FEEL THAT THERE WAS A DISTRICT BEING CREATED WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. THE INITIAL APPLICATION HAD THE, HAD BEEN ADDRESSED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE CLOSE IN. SO I, I THINK WE, UM, UH, THE CITY HAS LEARNED THAT THAT'S NOT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BOUNDARY MOVEMENT OUT OR, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DO IT. IT DEFINITELY DEPENDS. THAT'S INITIAL UPFRONT WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE INTERESTED IN IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC? UH, COMMENT? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, SORRY, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THIS, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. AND I'M GONNA START IN THE ORDER THAT THEY WERE RECEIVED. AND THEN, UM, [00:20:01] AND THEN WE CAN RESUME OUR DELIBERATIONS ON THIS MATTER. UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP, UM, IS DEBORAH HUBBARD. IS MRS. HUBBARD HERE IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY? AND I MAY ASK STAFF TO HELP ME TO SEE WHO'S, WHO'S REMOTELY, UH, PARTICIPATING. WELL, I WILL SAY COMMISSIONER DUBOSE IS, UH, REMOTELY PARTICIPATING. SHE'S VISIBLE ON CAMERA. UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT IF THAT SPEAKER IS AVAILABLE EITHER REMOTELY TO PLEASE UNMUTE AND BEGIN SPEAKING. IF YOU WERE TO BE IN THE ROOM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SPEAK WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PERSON IS IN ATTENDANCE CHAIR. AND ALSO THAT LIST YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN IS ACTUALLY A LIST OF EMAILS WE RECEIVED. OKAY. SO IT MIGHT BE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A, WE, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO, UM, JUST OPEN IT UP TO AND, AND SEE IF HANDS CAN BE RAISED IN THE VIRTUAL MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU, I'VE GIVEN YOU A LIST OF WHAT, WHAT, 22. RIGHT. BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A LIST TOO THAT YOU WANTED TO READ OUT. AND NOW WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. OKAY. SO MAYBE, MAYBE YOU COULD READ THOSE AND THEN WE CAN, UM, WE MIGHT JUST ASK IF ANYONE IS HERE PERFECT. OF THAT LIST. GREAT. AND THEN I, I, I HAVE ANOTHER GROUPING OF SPEAKERS I ALSO SIGNED UP. OKAY. SO WITH THAT SAID THAT THE EMAILS WE RECEIVED IN FAVOR FROM DEBORAH HUBBARD, MBA VICTOR ABERT, DR. MO, UH, ROLIN FRANCIS, SANDRA EDWARDS, ARITA MCKINNEY, WHO'S HER COMMENT THAT HER GREAT, GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS THE FIRST COMMUNITY SHERIFF THERE. AND HIS HOME IS STILL THERE. JOYCELYN MOORE, SHANICE HAWKINS, DEBORAH BLACKLOCK SLOAN OF THE HARRIS COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND ALSO OF THE HARRIS COUNTY AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION. THE REVEREND JEROME C NICKERSON, PASTOR OF INDEPENDENCE, MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, ANDRE RAFFORD, THE REVEREND NATHAN JENKINS, PASTOR OF PROVIDENCE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, MARY FONTANO, PRESIDENT PLEASANTVILLE CIVIC LEAGUE, AB LIONS. LIONS, SORRY, AMY DEN, PRESIDENT SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 64 AND NUMBER 88. THAT'S GREATER. EASTWOOD, LAWNDALE AND WAYSIDE. KEITH DOWNEY, PRESIDENT, SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL NUMBER 52 CASHMERE GARDENS, PAULA GRAVES, BARBARA WADDELL, SANDRA TURNER, LARRY JOHNSON, RAIN, EATON, STAR PILES, DANNY ASBURY, L, ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS SENT LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND SOME OF THEM WITH QUITE EXTENSIVE. AND, UH, WELL, UH, UH, WELL, WELL WRITTEN, UH, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. QUITE EXTENSIVE EMAILS. AND YOU HAVE RECEIVED COPIES OF THOSE MESSAGES. THANK YOU. AND ROMAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS ONE OTHER LETTER RECEIVED, I THINK FROM THE GREATER HOUSTON BUILDERS ASSOCIATION THAT WE ALSO RECEIVED. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED A LETTER, I BELIEVE. YES. AND THAT LETTER WAS TO ASK FOR EX UH, FURTHER LONGER REVIEW. AND THAT'S FROM, HELP ME OUT, AMY, AS ANYONE'S GOT THEIR EYES ON THAT DOCUMENT. UH, AMY BERTRAN BERTRAN. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S BEEN FORWARDED TO YOU AS WELL, THAT COMMENT FROM THAT GROUP. OKAY. WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA PROCEED WITH THE LIST OF FOLKS THAT I HAVE HERE IN THE ROOM THAT SIGNED UP. AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO AFTER THAT, I'LL CALL FOR ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT ARE EITHER IN THE ROOM, UH, OR VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. AND PERHAPS IF ANY OF THOSE WHO SEND IN LETTERS, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING, UM, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE A TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK. SO I'M GONNA FIRST, UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE HERE, UH, THAT SIGNED UP IN PERSON WAS MIKE DISH. IF YOU CAN JUST RE UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR, UH, FOR MIKE DISH. UH, . I SAID YOUR DISCUSSION PLACES COMMITTEE. OH, SORRY. I WRONG. OKAY. SORRY. YES. THIS IS AN OFFSHOOT OF THE LIVABLE PLACES COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE IT, WE HAD A LITTLE GROUP SET UP. IS THIS GOING BACK TO LIVABLE PLACES FOR US TO LOOK AT AND COMMENT ON AND, YOU KNOW, ASK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS? OR IS THIS SKIPPING LIVABLE PLACES? THAT'S QUESTION ONE. UH, AGAIN, I'M A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP. UM, THE, THE VOTING, IT'S ALWAYS GETS DOWN TO THE VOTING. IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR. IT SAYS 51% OF [00:25:01] THE OWNERS. SO QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED. IF I OWN AN ENTIRE CITY BLOCK OF HOMES, I OWN 15 HOMES, TWO PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET OWN ONE HOME EACH, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY THEY HAVE 66% OF THE PEOPLE AND YOU LOSE OUT? OR IS IT BASED ON PROPERTIES, HOW MANY HOMES YOU HAVE? 'CAUSE YOU COULD END UP WITH SOMETHING WHERE YOU OWN A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES. AND BOY, I'M GONNA SELL THESE PROPERTIES TO ALL MY, UH, RELATIVES SO WE CAN GET MORE, GET MORE VOTES AND THINGS. SO I, THAT'S NOT CLEAR IN HERE. THE OTHER PART ABOUT THE 51% IS THAT PEOPLE WHO VOTED OR IS THAT THE AREA? IF YOU PICK, UH, IF THERE'S A HUNDRED OWNERS OUT THERE, YOU NEED 51 OF THE A HUNDRED TO SAY YES. OR IS IT JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU MAIL OUT THE BALLOTS AND GET 'EM BACK? I KNOW THAT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT GETTING PEOPLE TO, TO REPLY. I'VE BEEN, BEEN ON CIVIC CLUBS TOO AND THINGS. UM, THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M UNDECIDED ON THIS, I REALLY WANNA START IT OFF. HEY, THIS IS PRETTY COOL. BUT WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES OUT, THERE'S ALWAYS QUESTIONS ON DETAILS, RIGHT? , THE LAST ONE IS, UM, BUYING LAND. I'M A, I'M A BUILDER. YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO SOMETHING. AND THIS IS ALL BEING DONE AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LEVEL. AND IT SAYS, AS SOON AS THE DIRECTOR SAYS, OH YEAH, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA, PERMITS STOP. I COULD BE IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING PROPERTY. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE NOTICE THAT HEY, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS, IS LOOKING AT THIS AREA HERE AND SENDS A NOTICE MAYBE OUT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. THAT WAY WHEN I DO A CONTRACT AND SAY, HEY, IF THIS BELONGS TO A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, I'M NOT GONNA PURCHASE. I DON'T WANNA BILL WHERE I'M NOT WANTED. OKAY, BUT I'D HATE TO BUY A PROPERTY. AND THE VERY NEXT DAY THEY GO, CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND YOU, YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE. AND I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE THE WEBSITE SOMETIMES THAT WE HAVE ON ONLINE FROM, UH, PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS, THEY'RE BEHIND. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND STUFF. NOT ALWAYS SUPER UP TO DATE ON THAT. I DO, I DO CHECK ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO TO KNOW. SO I, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WHEN YOU, YOU GET, HEY, 30 DAYS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VOTE ON THIS. I GOT 30 DAYS TO GET PERMITS OR GET RID OF MY PROPERTY, OR NOT, NOT CLOSE ON THE CONTRACT, PROBABLY I'D JUST SAY, HEY, TAKE THE LAND BACK. I DON'T WANT IT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON IT. AND AGAIN, I'M UNDECIDED. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. GERM IS JUST, IT'S ALWAYS THE DETAILS. AND THIS ORDINANCE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF SUPER DETAILS AND IT SEEMS KINDA LOOSE. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THE NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS SUSIE HARGROVE. HI, I'M SUSIE HARTGROVE, REPRESENTING THE HOUSTON REAL ESTATE COUNCIL. UH, I BROUGHT LETTERS FOR YOU. I THINK I HAD TRIED TO SEND THEM THROUGH EMAIL, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY DIDN'T COME. AND I'M ALSO DISTRIBUTING A LETTER FROM THE HOUSTON BUSINESS, UM, THE HOUSTON REGION BUSINESS COALITION, BUT I'M ONLY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HRAC. AND OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO ASK FOR A DELAY AS WELL. WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THOUGHTFUL COMMENTARY AND INPUT. WE'VE, UM, ALWAYS WORKED WITH THE CITY. IN FACT, WE WERE, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON THE BUFFERING ORDINANCE THAT JUST PASSED. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF MANY OF THE ACTIONS. AND, UH, AND WE KNOW THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE. WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET IT RIGHT AND THAT YOU ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE THINK WE NEED THERE. YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE ORDINANCE LAST WEEK, LATE LAST WEEK, AND HERE WE ARE STARTING TO PERHAPS VOTE ON IT. AND WE THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND ISSUES THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING AND NEED TO BE RESOLVED. AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUR BOARD TOGETHER IN LESS THAN SEVEN DAYS TO TRY AND GO THROUGH AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PROBLEMS COULD ARISE. THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS CREATE AN ORDINANCE WITH UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO WE WOULD REALLY JUST ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME. WE ASK FOR 60 DAYS. YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T RUN THIS THROUGH. ENGAGE WITH THE CITIZENS OF HOUSTON. GET, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TALK TO THE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, PEOPLE THAT COULD BE IMPACTED HEAVILY BY THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS, UH, TROY ALLEN. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S TROY ALLEN. I'M WITH THE GREATER HOUSTON VOTERS ASSOCIATION. I BELIEVE YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE THE LETTER THAT WE HANDED OUT BEFORE THE MEETING. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ALONG WITH, UM, SOME OF OUR ALLIED ORGANIZATIONS. AND ON BEHALF OF OUR 1500 MEMBERS, UM, AT THE GREATER HOUSTON BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, WE ARE RAN BY BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS AND COMMUNITY AND HOME, SORRY, AND LANDOWNERS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR [00:30:01] TIME TO GHBA. AND JUST TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE RECEIVED ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THIS DOC, FOR THIS ORDINANCE ON JANUARY 19TH. AND TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. WE JUST SAW THAT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS A LITTLE BIT TOO SHORT FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS FAR AS COLLATING, UM, RESPONSES TO EVERYONE. I HEARD THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED 22 NOTES ON THIS AS FAR AS 21 THAT WERE IN SUPPORT. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF THE PUBLIC COMPER WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER, WOULD BE HEARING A LOT MORE FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE OWNING PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON THAT ARE HOMEOWNERS IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON THAT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, WHICH IS THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS TOO SHORT. WE'LL, LIKE TO ASK FOR 60 DAYS, WHICH IS ALSO IN LINE WITH WHAT IS EXPECTED WHENEVER THESE KIND OF ORDINANCE GO OUT. AND ALSO, WHENEVER THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT BEING FORMED, I BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS BETWEEN 30 AND 60 DAYS. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE FOLKS WHO GET SIGNED UP AND ON PAPER, UH, THAT ARE HERE IN THE ROOM. IS THERE, I'LL FIRST ASK IN THE ROOM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. NOT HEARING ANY, UM, ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE DID HAVE, UH, RAIN EATON, FOLLOWED BY ABNER LYONS FROM DISTRICT 1 42, AND REVEREND JEROME C NICKERSON, WHO HAD RAISED THEIR HAND BY CHAT. SO RAIN EMAN WOULD BE THE FIRST. OKAY. UM, IS RAIN EMAN HERE? AND CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND, AND THEN LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS RAIN EATON. I AM A RESIDENT OF A ACRES HOMES. I AM ALSO THE CEO OF THE A ACRES HOMES COMMUNITY ADVOCACY GROUP. UM, INITIATIVES LIKE THIS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AS AN ORGANIZATION, THROW OUR SUPPORT BEHIND THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. AND HOPEFULLY DURING ANOTHER DELIBERATION TIME, WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS TO, UH, AT LEAST THREE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M GETTING READY TO ASK RIGHT NOW. OVERALL, WE DO SUPPORT, BUT THERE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS WE WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY ON. UM, QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS, HOW LONG DOES THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO GARNER EDUCATION SUPPORT AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT? AND IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY FOR US TO GET DEFINITIVE TIMELINES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW LONG THE PROCESS WILL TAKE? UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I DID WANT TO ASK IS, HOW LONG WILL THESE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS BE HONORED? UM, I KNOW THAT IF THERE IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN IT IS HONORED. IT DEFINITELY. BUT SINCE THIS IS NOT REALLY, UM, UH, THIS IS KIND OF BEING, UH, PACKAGED AS SOMETHING SIM SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT FROM A HISTORIC DISTRICT. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT TIME LIMIT FOR THAT IS. UH, NEXT. UH, WHAT IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CONTINGENCY PLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR ARCHITECTURE THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE APPROVED CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BUT WAS PACKAGED IN WITH A WHOLE? UM, AND, AND THEN LASTLY, HOW DOES THIS PROGRAM PAIR WITH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NEAR OR WITHIN NEWLY DRAWN FLOODPLAINS? UM, I KNOW THERE'S A PROVISION WHERE THERE IS AN EX EXEMPTION FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, UH, BUILD NEW PARTS OF THEIR HOME IF IT'S BEEN DAMAGED BY DISASTER, FIRE, FLOOD, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO HOW DOES THIS PAIR IN WITH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSE TO OR NEAR FLOODPLAINS? AND WHAT IS THE CONTINGENCY BEHIND THAT? BUT WE WOULD REALLY JUST LIKE TO KNOW, UM, THE, THE MO THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE WANNA KNOW IS WHAT DOES THAT TIMELINE LOOK LIKE FOR THESE CONSERVATION, UH, DISTRICT UH, PROGRAMS? AND IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING IN WRITING OR A VISUALIZATION IN, UH, ACTUAL TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UM, CAN YOU REMIND ME THIS, THE NEXT SPEAKER, THERESA, IS ABNER LYONS. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ABNER LYONS. I'M THE DISTRICT LIAISON FOR STATE STATE REPRESENTATIVE HAROLD V DENTON JR. IN DISTRICT 1 42. AND WE JUST WANTED TO, UH, SAY THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY OF HOUSTON, UM, LOSING A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMUNITIES THAT WAS ONCE, UH, A THRIVING COMMUNITY FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS, UH, OVER, YOU KNOW, DUE TO GENTRIFICATION. UM, AND SO, UH, I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT WORD, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE FIGHTING IS BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING THEIR IDENTITY IN TERMS OF THEIR CULTURAL, CULTURAL IDENTITY IN THOSE AREAS. MY FAMILY GREW UP IN THE INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT HEIGHTS AREA. UH, SOME STILL LIVE [00:35:01] THERE, THE SMARTS FAMILY. AND, AND SO, UM, AGAIN, WE ARE IN BIG SUPPORT OF, UH, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF PRESERVING SOME OF THE CULTURE IDENTITIES IN THE AREA, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT, WHAT THOSE TYPE OF, UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S GENTRIFIED, HOW IT CAN JUST CHANGE THE FACE OF A COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY NOT HAVING A VOICE ANYMORE. SO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, UH, AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, DID YOU SAY REVEREND JENKINS? WAS IT REVEREND JEROME C NICKERSON AND TWO OTHERS ALSO JOINED THAT I WILL ANNOUNCE AFTER REVEREND NICKERSON. OKAY. SO REVEREND NICKERSON, COULD YOU UN UNMUTE, UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND SPEAK? UH, YES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF. I, UH, SENT A RATHER LENGTHY EMAIL, BUT, UH, I DO SUPPORT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BUT I ALSO WANNA KNOW WHAT FURTHER PROTECTIONS WILL THE CONSERVATION, UH, DISTRICT PROVIDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AS IT STANDS, THE CURRENT HOUSING SITUATION, UH, HAS MARKETED THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT OF THE MARKET FOR BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE HOMES AND THOSE THAT ARE PURCHASING IT. THESE HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY WILL, ARE NOT GONNA SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS, OUR CHURCHES. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AS FAR AS THE HISTORICITY OF THE INDEPENDENCE HEIGHTS. UH, BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, I PASTOR THE INDEPENDENCE HEIGHTS MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. UH, I'VE WATCHED OVER THE YEARS, I'M 73 YEARS OLD, I'VE WATCHED THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WHAT I'M SEEING NOW, AS THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME, STATED THE GENTRIFICATION OF OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT HAS TO BE REGARDED, UH, THAT WHEN BUILDERS COME IN, SHOULD THEY COME IN. IT'S NOT ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS, IT'S ABOUT BUILDING UP THE COMMUNITY, SUPPORTING, SUPPORT, ALL THE COMMUNITY, AND NOT JUST THE TOTAL DISREGARD, BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR PROFESSION. AND SO THEY COME IN LOW BALLING THE, UH, RELATIVES OR THE, THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS THEMSELVES, AND THEY TURN AROUND AND BUILD THESE SIX FIGURE HOMES AND NOBODY BENEFITS BUT THEM, AND COURSE THE FAMILIES THAT PURCHASE 'EM. SO I'M DEFINITELY IRREVOCABLY UNEQUIVOCALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PARTICULAR PRESERVATION, UH, DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING, LISA. THE NEXT, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DANNY ASBURY TO BE FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH BLAYLOCK SLOAN. MR. ASBURY, ARE YOU, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? YES. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. WE CAN CLEARLY. OKAY. WELL, I'M DANNY ASBERRY, L I'M THE CEO OF SO INTERNATIONAL, AND WE REPRESENT BOTH, UM, NORTH FOREST, EAST HOUSTON, AND INDEPENDENCE HEIGHTS. AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UH, A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP. UM, I WITNESSED MY WHOLE SCHOOL DISTRICT GO AWAY. I'VE WITNESSED CERTAIN THINGS IN MY COMMUNITY GO AWAY, CERTAIN THINGS THAT I CAN'T BRING MY FAMILY BACK TO, TO SEE, UH, THEY CAN'T SEE ANY OF MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE FACT THAT I HAD HISTORY. AND I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU AS A 40-YEAR-OLD SAYING THAT I HAVE HISTORY TO GO TO. I HAVE TO CREATE MY OWN. SO TO PREVENT THIS, I AM SUPPORTING THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND WHAT ALL GOES WITH IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT SPEAKER, DEBORAH BLACKBURN SLOAN, WHO IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU. UH, DAVE. UM, WE, WE JUST SAID SOME ROMAN ALREADY MISSED SOME OF MY CREDENTIALS. SURE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. I JUST GONNA SAY THANK, WE, WE JUST SIT SIDE BY SIDE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE BENCH UP HERE. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST THAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF A CONSERVA OF A, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, AS A NATIVE HOUSTONIAN, A LOVER OF HISTORY AND A VERY AVID PRESERVATIONIST THAT I'VE SEEN THIS TYPE OF [00:40:01] ACTIVITY FOR YEARS. I'M A DOCENT FOR THE, UH, YT MUSEUM IN GRIEVANCE TOWN, SO I KNOW IT WITH JUSTS SPEAK. UH, THIS HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND OTHER TYPES OF, UH, UNS UNSOLICITED CONSTRUCTION HAS HAPPENED FOR YEARS, AND IT'S TERRIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER. UH, ROMAN ALREADY MENTIONED SOME OF THOSE EFFECTS. UM, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE HAD TO TAKE WHATEVER IS FISHED OUT, AND THIS NEW ORDINANCE IS A TOOL THAT WILL LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. AND, UH, AGAIN, I AM IN SUPPORT OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR WORDS. AMY DENIN HAS SIGNED BY CHAT. OKAY. MS. DENIN, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC? YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GREAT. I'M THE SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT FOR SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD 64 AND 88, WHICH IS THE AREA KNOWN AS GREATER EASTWOOD LAWNDALE WAYSIDE, UH, THE EAST SIDE OF HOUSTON. OUR SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTS MANY HISTORIC EAST END COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING EASTWOOD, GREATER EASTWOOD, HOUSTON COUNTRY CLUB, PLACE, IDLE WOOD, FOREST HILL, AND THE MASON PARK AREA. AND MANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT MANY DON'T. AND SO THE PROTECTIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED, UM, IS REALLY CHALLENGING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE BRICK HOMES DATED BACK TO THE EARLY TWENTIES AND THIRTIES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT LOOK AND FEEL OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE GET NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH IT. AND FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, DESIGNATIONS LIKE THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAVE LIMITED PROTECTIONS AROUND DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE LOSING THAT HISTORIC LOOK AND FEEL. THE COMMUNITY IF AT TOWN HOMES AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT. UM, SO THIS IS PRESENTS LOTS OF CHALLENGES, NOT ONLY TO MY AREA, BUT I'VE SEEN THIS ACROSS THE, THE, UM, CITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE DEAL WITH, THE LACK OF ZONING AND, AND PROTECTIONS, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO NEIGHBORHOODS OUTSIDE OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH ARE VERY ONEROUS, VERY EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN PLACE, AND REQUIRE A LOT OF LEGAL ASSISTANCE AND GUIDANCE, AND AS WELL AS AN ECONOMIC BURDEN FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES TO PUT THOSE IN PLACE. SO HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS MORE FLEXIBLE, LIKE THIS HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION ORDINANCE FOR THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS WOULD BE VERY, UH, VERY HELPFUL IN ASSISTING COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE AND OTHERS THROUGHOUT, UM, THE, THE CITY TO PRESERVE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOPEFULLY HELP 'EM, UM, PROTECT IMPORTANT CULTURAL ASSETS AS WELL AS, UH, THEIR COMMUNITY. SO WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD, AND WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ADDING A TOOLBOX FOR COMMUNITIES, UH, A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX FOR COMMUNITIES TO HELP PROTECT, UH, AND PRESERVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THERE WERE NO OTHER HANDS RAISED. I, I DID NOT HAPPEN TO SEE ANY IN CHAT, BUT IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAT, WE'LL COVER. CERTAINLY. IS THERE ANYONE REMAINING IN THE, IN THE, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? HE ALREADY SPOKE. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GOING TO, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME AND OPEN UP QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION. UM, I KNOW ROWAN, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE IMMEDIATE ANSWERS, BUT, UM, LIKELY SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS MAY ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AGAIN. SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, BUT THANK YOU, CHAIR, I COULD PROVIDE A DOCUMENT LATER THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS, UM, THAT THE, UH, THE, THE, AS A, I COULD GO THROUGH 'EM INDIVIDUALLY. NOW, I, I WANT TO ASK THE, I'M HEARING, LET ME JUST PRO I CAN PRODUCE A DOCUMENT AND, UM, AND SUPPLY RESPONSE TO ALL OF, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP. OKAY. WELL, LET ME GET SOME, SOME MORE QUESTIONS, UH, FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL FOR ROMAN, UH, WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE? THIS IS THE, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE PUBLIC THAT FOR ME, ARE REALLY VALID QUESTIONS. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, UH, POSSIBILITY. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE, UM, OVERALL CONCEPT, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DETAILS THAT STILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. AND I'M KIND OF SITTING OVER HERE CONFUSED AS TO LIKE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? [00:45:01] WHAT AM I EXPECTED TO BE ACTUALLY VOTING ON? THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, I KNOW LEGAL CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE ON THE TIMELINE, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE HHC, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. BUT, UM, AND THEN ON THAT REGARD, THE LIVABLE PLACES. I, I GUESS THERE MUST HAVE BEEN, UH, HALF A DOZEN MEETINGS WHERE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, INCLUDING A PRETTY THOROUGH OUTLINE OF THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, SO IT'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT ALREADY. AND I CAN'T RECALL IF WE, I WAS GONNA ASK THE PERSON IN LIVABLE CHARGE LIVABLE PLACES IF I THINK WE WENT TO A SUBCOMMITTEE OF CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO BROUGHT IT UP. BUT AS TO YOUR, THE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, I THINK LEGAL CAN KIND OF ANSWER THAT. KIM, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? YEAH, I, I WILL PLEASE. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSION AND REQUESTS FOR CONTINUATION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE FIRST IN A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WILL BE HELD. WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT WHEN THAT WILL TAKE PLACE. AND SO I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT SCHEDULE FOR YOU. WE ARE PLANNING ON POSTING THIS ON THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. FEBRUARY 22ND, I BELIEVE IS STILL THAT DATE, BUT WE EXPECT AT LEAST ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. UM, AS WELL AS THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND AS ROMAN MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'LL GET WITH STAFF, UM, TOGETHER TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. AND, AND WE'LL, I'LL WORK WITH HIM TOO TO TRY AND BE PROACTIVE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS MATTER? COMMISSIONER JONES? THIS IS MAYOR DEBO. WHEN, UH, WHENEVER I GET A CHANCE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION. SO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED FOR THIS, THE PUBLIC CAN CONTINUE TO SEND IN COMMENTS. YEAH, I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. UM, AGAIN, THERE WILL BE AT LEAST ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THIS GROUP AS WELL AS WE EXPECT CITY COUNCIL, UM, WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. UM, AND THEN, BUT YES, UM, THERE ARE STILL ABSOLUTELY, IT'S BEEN POSTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS SINCE THE 20TH AND, UM, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR, AND STAFF IS PREPARED TO TAKE, TAKE THOSE COMMENTS AT ANY TIME. ABSOLUTELY. IS THERE AN END DATE FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENT YET, OR NO? OKAY. NO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OPEN UNTIL FINAL, FINALLY ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK ON IT AND ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK UP UNTIL ALMOST THE VERY LAST SECOND OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUBOSE. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. AND, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UM, LAST YEAR I WAS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND REPRESENT HOUSTON WITH SOME OF THE STAFF THERE, UM, AT THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSIONS. AND THE TALK AT THE COMMISSION WAS ALL ABOUT CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND WAYS AND TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AS TOOLS THAT WE COULD USE, UM, TO HELP PRESERVE SOME OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, NATURAL CULTURAL AS WELL AS HISTORICAL. AND SO I BECAME VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE DOING WITH THE CONSERVATION, UH, DISTRICT AS A TOOL. WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN. AND SO IT IS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMES TOGETHER TO DECIDE WHAT ELEMENTS THEY WANT IN A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND SO IT'S, IT IS DRIVEN BY THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY AND WHO ARE THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, ALSO WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS THAT UNLIKE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THERE ARE MANY FLEXIBLE OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DEVELOP IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN FINALLY, IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW HOUSTON AND WHAT HOUSTON LOOKS LIKE TO THE LARGER WORLD IN TERMS OF HOW IT PRESERVES ITS HISTORY, BUT ALSO HOW IT TELLS THE STORY OF ITS HISTORY AND WHAT WE ALSO WILL LEAVE BEHIND FOR THE NEXT GENERATION WHO WILL COME AFTER US. AND SO, AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THE HARRIS COUNTY AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE, UH, CULTURAL, UH, COMMISSION, I TOO JUST BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT TOOL. I BELIEVE THERE'S ALL, IN ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE PUT FORTH, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THINGS THAT WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT. BUT THE LABOR THIS ANY LONGER, UM, IT, IT IS, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE QUESTIONS. AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY WAY, UM, THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, UH, ALSO MAKING SURE THAT, UH, [00:50:01] THE LANGUAGE IS CLEAR, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT TOOL. AND SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND EVERYONE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS. I HEARD A LOT OF NAMES FROM NEIGHBORHOODS CALLED CITY GAS. UM, YOU HAD EAST HOUSTON, UH, NORTH FOREST AREA. THERE ARE MANY NEIGHBORHOODS WHO WORKED ON THIS. SO IT WAS NOT A GROUP OF PEOPLE IN A ROOM, IN A SILO. UM, THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY ASKED QUESTIONS TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. UM, SOME OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE SEE GET PASSED, WE NEVER HEARD OF THEM. UH, WE NEVER HAVE THE TIME TO EVEN, UH, THINK ABOUT WHAT, UM, WHAT WOULD, WHAT, WHAT THOSE ORDINANCES AND HOW THEY WOULD IMPACT OUR OWN COMMUNITY. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE KEY THING THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IS THE FACT THAT IT IS NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN. UM, AND THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY AS LARGE AS HOUSTON, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY AS DIVERSE AS HOUSTON. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THIS AND IT'S GOING TO BE GOING FOR ANOTHER, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AS YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, KIM, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO ACTION. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TODAY ON THIS MATTER OTHER THAN REVIEWING AND DISCUSSING AND TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THESE, FROM THIS, FROM THIS DISCUSSION, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE I, I WILL ASK THAT YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN I THINK WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT YOU HOLD A, UM, SPECIAL MEETING ON JUST THIS ITEM IN TWO WEEKS, UM, TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. OKAY. WELL, I BELIEVE I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING EARLIER, BUT I'LL JUST SAY I'LL CLOSE IT AGAIN. SO IT'S, I MAY, I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT IT'S DOUBLE CLOSED, BUT, UM, OKAY. I'M GONNA BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM B, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR WILLBANKS H HOUSE AT 25 0 6 ROSEDALE STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 4. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS YASMINE ARSLAN. TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM B, WHICH, WHICH IS THE DESIGN DESIGNATION NOMINATION OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK OF THE WILLBANKS H HOUSE AT 25 0 6 ROSEDALE STREET. THE WILLBANKS H HOUSE AT 25 0 6. ROSEDALE IS A STREET, IS A TWO STORY BRICK VENEER HOUSE WITH A COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE RESIDENCE, UH, ENTRANCE. THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1928. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS LISTED FOR SALE, BROUGHT BY THE GUARDIAN TRUST COMPANY. THE HOME IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC RIVERSIDE TERRACE SUBDIVISION IN THE THIRD WARD. THE FIRST SECTION OF RIVERSIDE TERRACE WAS PLOTTED IN 1924. DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA WAS STARTED BY HENRY FREDERICK MCGREGOR, WHO CAME TO HOUSTON IN 1883 AND BEGAN INVESTING IN REAL ESTATE. BY THE MID 1920S, THE GROWING POPULARITY OF THE AUTOMOBILE LED TO NEW AUTOMOBILE SUBURBS IN HOUSTON. SEVERAL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WERE PLATTED ON EITHER SIDE OF BRAISE BAYOU IN THE, EXCUSE ME, IN THE VICINITY OF HERMAN PARK. ONE SUCH SUBURB WAS RIVERSIDE TERRACE. THE WILBANKS H HOUSE AT 25 0 6 ROSEDALE STREET IS A TWO STORY BRICK VENEER HOUSE THAT SITS ON A PEER AND VEM FOUNDATION. AND EXTERIOR BRICK CHIMNEY IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE BASED ON STREET VIEW IMAGES. THE BRICK HAS BEEN PAINTED SINCE AT LEAST 2007. THE CURRENT OWNER, MR. ASIF UD, PURCHASED THE HOME IN 2021. HE IS SEEKING A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION, 4 25 0 6 ROSEDALE STREET TO PRESERVE THE HOME'S HISTORY AND ENSURE THAT IT REMAINS A PART OF RIVERSIDE TERRACES HISTORIC HOUSING STOCK. THE WILBANKS H HOUSE MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 5, 6, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA ONE AND THREE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE NOMINATION TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY PRESERVATION HOUSTON, AND WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS TIME. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I RECALL THIS IS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WERE IN THE PROPOSED, UH, RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, UM, THIS HOME POTENTIALLY WILL HAVE PROTECTION, UH, DEPENDING ON YOUR VOTE WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON [00:55:01] THIS ITEM. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP HERE AT MY DESK. IS THERE ANYONE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THIS HOME GOING TO BE USED AS RESIDENTIAL ONLY? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS, I'M SORRY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA. THANK YOU. WILL THIS HOME BE USED AS RESIDENTIAL ONLY? UH, COMMISSIONER, IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S HOUSTON, TEXAS, SO NOT, I DON'T KNOW IT'S USED, BUT IT WILL, UH, IF IT AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK. THE HIGHEST DESIGNATION, OF COURSE, AT HOUSTON AFFORDS, UM, IT WON'T BE DEMOLISHED, UH, UNLESS MOTHER NATURE DOES IT. AND ANY SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS TO THE SHAPE AND FORM AS SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD COME TO THIS COMMISSION AS TO WHAT GOES ON ON THE INSIDE. IT, UH, SURE, I CAN ASK HIM, BUT MY, MY MEMORY ON THIS IS, IS A, AGAIN, THE RESTORE COMMISSION THAT, THAT WE DON'T REGULATE USE OF FACILITY. SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT, AS, AS ROMAN SAID, WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE. UM, OKAY. CHAIR UCK NOW, PLEASE. IS IT A MATTER OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THEN, AS TO USE? YES, THERE WILL. THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WOULD REGULATE USE IS IF THERE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO REGULATING IT BEYOND, BEYOND THIS COMMISSION. BUT, UH, MR. MCALLEN, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW A, ABOUT THE, UH, DEGREE OF PROTECTION THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THAT BLOCK MIGHT AFFORD? I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT IN DISCUSSIONS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO PASS PASS DEED RESTRICTIONS OR RENEW THEM, IF YOU WILL, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THIS AREA. RYAN, I'D I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THIS IS ADJACENT TO, UH, ANOTHER, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, PROTECTED, UH, LANDMARK, UM, ON THIS BLOCK, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE TWO IN A ROW. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THE, THE HOME CONNECTED WITH THE, UM, LION'S GROCERY STORE. THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE, THANK YOU. PROTECTED LANDMARK, BEAUTIFUL AREA. SO REALLY IS NOT HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. COMMISSION MEMBERS, WOULD ANY COMMISSION, UH, MEMBER LIKE TO BRING A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND, UH, APPROVE THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY WILSON SECONDS? I THINK COMMISSIONER STAVO MOTION. SO, BUT, UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? MR. CHAIR, DID YOU RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER STAAVA FOR THE SECOND? I DID, YES. THANK YOU. YEP. HE WAS FASTER ON THE DRAW. SO, UM, MOVING ON THEN TO ITEM C, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR ORAL AND, AND BERTHA CARPENTER HOUSE AT 5 3 3 0 MANDALE STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 0 5. STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN, UM, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGENDA ITEM C, THE EARL AND, UM, LIN BERTIA CARPENTER HOUSE AT 5 33 0 MENDEL STREET. THE HOUSE AT, UH, 5 3 3 0 MENDEL IS A SINGLE STORY, CLASSIC CONTEMPORARY RANCH STYLE HOUSE DESIGNED BY NOTED HOUSTON ARCHITECT LUCIAN T HOOD JR. IT WAS BUILT FOR CONTRACTOR, EARL, A CARPENTER AND WIFE BERTHA IN 1959. THE HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AS WELL AS ITS TIME. AS A RECTORY FOR THE SIXTH BISHOP OF THESAL EPISCOPAL DIOCESE, SORRY, OF TEXAS. THE CURRENT OWNERS OF, UM, NO SORRY. ROKU PLACE WAS PLOTTED IN 1923 AND WAS ONE OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING BROAD ACRES, SHADYSIDE, AND SHADOW LAWN THAT WERE AIMED AT HOUSTON'S MIDDLE AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS. AFTER NEAR NEARBY, RICE UNIVERSITY OPENED ITS DOOR IN DOORS. IN 1912 OILMAN HENRY BIRDSALL MADISON DEVELOPED CHIRO PLACE ON 14 ACRES BETWEEN BINETTE AND SUNSET, AND HAD IT DIVIDED BY TWO STREETS, MENDEL AND SHIRO AT VARIOUS TIMES. INVESTOR AND PHILANTHROPIST FA [01:00:03] NOTED HEART SURGEON, DR. MICHAEL DEBAKEY AND EPISCOPAL BISHOP MAURICE M BENNETTS HAVE CALLED ROKI PLACE HOME. 5 33 0 MENDEL STREET IS A ONE STORY L-SHAPED CONTEMPORARY RANCH HOUSE SITUATED AT THE CORNER OF MENDEL STREET AND SUNSET BOULEVARD, FACING TREELINE MENDEL STREET. A DRIVEWAY ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LEADS TO A ONE STORY REAR GARAGE AND POOL HOUSE CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE WITH A COVERED BREEZEWAY. THE CURRENT OWNERS OF 5 33 MENDEL PETER AND FANNIE MORRIS UNDERTOOK MINOR RENOVATIONS IN 2002 AND 2014. THE PROPERTY MEETS CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERION ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION, PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 5 33. MENDEL WOULD BE THE FIRST IN ROKI PLACE. THE DESIGNATION REPORT WAS RESEARCHED AND WRITTEN BY DAVID PUTZ AND EMILY WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND THE NOMINATION TO CITY COUNCIL. WE THANK PRESERVATION HOUSTON FOR THEIR SUPPORT, AND WE HAVE EMILY FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON HERE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS THERE. IS THERE ANY MEMBER COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR ADDRESS STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'M SORRY, IS THERE A QUESTION FROM A COMMISSIONER VIRTUALLY THAT HEARING? I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. UM, I KNOW THAT EMILY ARTONE IS, IS, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WHO'S RETURNED TO OUR FAIR CITY AND NOW WORKING WITH, UH, PRESERVATION HOUSTON. GOOD TO SEE YOU. HI. OKAY. I'M EMILY WAN WITH PRESERVATION HOUSTON. UM, I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE NOMINATION. WAS GLAD TO WORK ON IT. UH, WE DO THINK THAT THE HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANT, UH, AND WORTHY OF PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOMINATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC EITHER IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME. UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO BRING A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UM, UM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. UH, COMMISSIONER DEVO MAKES THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER SWEN GETS MOTION. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR, MR. CHAIR? YES. TO, TO BE CLEAR, UH, WE'RE WE'RE VOTING ON ITS STATUSES A PROTECTED LANDMARK, CORRECT? YES. JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND, AND A SECOND. THERE ARE NO OTHER DISCUSSIONS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? AYE. ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM D, WHICH WILL BE OUR, OUR THIRD PROTECTED LANDMARK. UM, IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR WINSLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER AT 1901. 1911 AND 1915 STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 9 8. STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN UM, I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AGENDA ITEM D AT 1901 TO 1915 WESTHEIMER ROAD. THE WINDLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER IS LOCATED AT LOTS. 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. BLOCK THREE IN THE WINLOW PLACE, SUBDIVISION CITY OF HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS. THE SIDE INCLUDES THREE BUILDINGS, 19 0 1, 19 11, AND 1915 WESTHEIMER, ALL OF WHICH FACE NORTH ONTO WESTHEIMER ROAD. HAZARD STREET IS THE BOUNDARY TO THE EAST. THE 1901 WESTHEIMER ADDRESS INCLUDES A SINGLE STORY FORMER GAS STATION BUILT CIRCA 1930 WITH AN ENCLOSED SERVICE CANOPY ON A CORNER LOT. THIS PROPERTY SITS ON LOTS ONE AND TWO, WHICH HAVE BEEN COMBINED TO TOTAL 13,618 SQUARE FEET. AN ADDITION, AN ALTERATION [01:05:01] WERE A COMPLETED CIRCA 1996, INCREASING THE BUILDING AREA TO 4,968 SQUARE FEET. THE WINDLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER IS LOCATED AT THE VERY NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE WINDLOW PLACE SUBDIVISION ESTABLISHED CIRCA 1923 BY THE WINLOW PLACE COMPANY. THE SUBDIVISION'S BOUNDARY IS WESTHEIMER AT THE NORTH WEST FROM BLOCK THREE, LOT SEVEN ON WESTHEIMER OR MCDUFFY STREET EAST ON DUNLEAVY STREET AND SOUTH AT WEST ALABAMA. THE CENTER IS LOCATED NEXT TO WINLOW JUNIOR HIGH, NOW CALLED LANIER MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND WAS BUILT CIRCA 1926. THE GROUP OF BUILDINGS AT WINLOW WESTHEIMER ARE AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE. EXAMPLE OF EARLY 20TH CENTURY DEVELOPMENT IN HOUSTON, AND HOW NEW SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT EXISTED ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS. THE MODERN AMENITIES PROVIDED EASE OF MOTOR VEHICLE SERVICES AS CAR OWNERSHIP EXPANDED IN HOUSTON IN THE 1930S, FORTIES, AND FIFTIES. 1901 WEST HEIMER IS A THEODORE REVIVAL STYLE GAS STATION WITH AN ENCLOSED SERVICE CANOPY. ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THIS POPULAR EARLY 20TH CENTURY STYLE INCLUDED THE HIGH-PITCHED GABLES IN HALF TIMBERING, THE TWO STOREFRONT BUILDINGS 1911 AND 1915, EXCUSE ME. WESTHEIMER ALSO REPRESENT COMMERCE IN DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THE WINLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER RECEIVED A GOOD BRICK AWARD FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON IN 1997. THE WINLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER MEETS CRITERIA ONE, FOUR AND SEVEN FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN CRITERION ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE WINLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER. AND 1901 TO 1915 WESTHEIMER WROTE THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY AMANDA COLEMAN FROM RYAN AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBER, COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM NOT HEARING? I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UM, AMANDA COLEMAN, WHO EVERYONE HERE WILL, WILL KNOW VERY WELL. HELLO. AND SHE, SHORTLY, SHORTLY WAS FORMALLY HERE ON STAFF. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME'S AMANDA COLEMAN. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THE WINLOW WESTHEIMER CENTER. AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK FOR THIS GROUP OF BUILDINGS. WE FEEL THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT FROM THE TWENTIES, WELL, BEGINNING IN THE THIRTIES, FORTIES, AND FIFTIES. AND THERE IS SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL MATERIAL THERE. AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IS SEEN IN THE ARTICLES FROM THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE. JUST FURTHER SUPPORT THE IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, ALSO THE AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER, EVAN PETERSON, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, AS AM I. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHAIR HICK. MAY I, WHILE, WHILE WE'VE GOT HER PLEASE, UH, AMANDA, MAY, MAY I ASK, DID I HEAR THAT? WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ARCHITECT FOR THE GAS STATION PORTION OF THIS, UH, THIS IS TRUE. UM, I RESEARCHED, UM, SOME OF THE STOP GAS STATIONS AND WITHIN HIS, UH, RECORDS OF CONSTRUCTION, THIS ONE WAS NOT LISTED IN THAT, IN THAT LIST. SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. BUT WITHIN THE, UM, THE TECH GUIDE TO TEXAS GAS STATIONS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF THE PHILLIPS 66 CONSTRUCTIONS. UM, SO I HAVE THAT REFERENCE IN THE REPORT AS AN EXAMPLE WITH THE, UM, ARCH DOORWAYS, THE HALF TIMBERING, AND THE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE THAT KIND OF, THAT SITS IN WITH THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY. NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COMMISSION. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, OR IS ANYONE LIKE TO BRING A MOTION? THIS IS DEVO. UM, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR A PROTECTED HISTORIC LANDMARK FOR THIS SERIES OF PROPERTIES. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA SECONDS. OKAY, HERE WE GO. [01:10:02] OKAY, WE'LL GET LITTLE, WE'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. A ALL OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM E, UH, CONSIDERATION AND, AND OF, AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA. AND I BELIEVE ROMAN WILL BE GIVING US THAT, THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU CHAIR. SORRY FOR THE DELAY. UH, I RECOMMEND I HAVE THESE ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, UH, ALL AS ONE, UH, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THAT WOULD BE ITEM E 1 9 0 8 WEST TEMPLE STREET IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER 2, 5 40 HARVARD NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE OR DETACHED GARAGE FOR APPROVAL. 1819 COLUMBIA STREET, HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL. ITEM E 4 4 0 1 8 NOR HILL BOULEVARD, AN ALTERATION EDITION FOR APPROVAL. ITEM E 5 13 18 NORTH BOULEVARD AND ALTERATION EDITION FOR APPROVAL. ITEM E 6 1 1 1 15 EAST 14TH STREET, NOR HILL ALTERATION WINDOWS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ITEM E 7 14 0 8 STUDEWOOD STREET IN NOR HILL. AN ALTERATION THAT'S DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. ITEM E 8 8 0 1 1 GLEN VALLEY DRIVE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED GARAGE APARTMENT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY FOR APPROVAL. ITEM E 9 7 5 0 2 GLEN HEATH STREET, ALTERATION WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY FOR DENIAL. ITEM E 10 15 31 ALSTON STREET IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST. UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING C OF A APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM E 11 3 11 EAST EIGHTH STREET, ALTERATION ROOF. THIS IS JUST A CHANGE IN MATERIAL. HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. AND THAT IS IT. THE, THE STAFF REQUESTS THAT THE HOUSTON, THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION CONSIDER THESE ITEMS AS ONE GROUP PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. ROMAN, THANK YOU COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THIS LIST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AND PULLED OFF CONSENT? YES. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM 8 80 11 GLEN VALLEY DRIVE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? MR. MCNEIL? NUMBER NINE. WOULD YOU MIND SAYING THE ADDRESS? I HAVE A DISCREPANCY ON THE, UH, NUMBERING ON MY LIST. THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD DO THAT FOR ME. I HAVE NOT. YES. 7 5 0 2 GLEN HEATH STREET. IT'S NUMBER NINE AND NUMBER EIGHT IS 8 0 1 1. GLEN VALLEY DRIVE COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PULL THAT HEARING? I'M GONNA FIRST ASK, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS TO SPEAK, BUT IF YOU, UM, IF, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ONE OF THESE ITEMS, THEY'RE ABOUT, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED, BUT IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE FOR AN ITEM TO BE PULLED AND DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY, THIS IS THE TIME TO, UM, UNMUTE YOUR MIC OR LET LET US KNOW. CHAIR, WE MAY HAVE A PERSON ON THE LINE HERE. HELLO, THIS IS, UH, THOMAS BARRE, 1408 STUDEWOOD. OKAY. AND ARE YOU, UH, PRESENT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM? YES, I'M, I'M ONLINE. OKAY, BUT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL. I I JUST WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THAT, WHAT ROMAN, WHAT THAT WAS TO DENIAL WITH THE REMEDIATION. I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. SO LET'S PURPOSE, WE SHOULD PULL THAT ITEM AND WE'LL DISCUSS [01:15:01] IT INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SO WHEN RAY STOOD UP IN THE, ON THE AUDIENCE, DO YOU WANT TO, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. SO, OKAY. SO WHAT I HAVE THEN IS AN AGENDA IS ITEM 1 9 0 8 WEST TEMPLE STREET, ITEM 2 5 40 HARVARD STREET, ITEM 3 18 19 COLUMBIA STREET, ITEM 4 4 40 18 NOR HILL BOULEVARD. ITEM 5 13 18 NORTH BOULEVARD, ITEM 6 11 15 EAST 14TH STREET, ITEM 10 15 31 ALSTON STREET. AND ITEM 11 3 11 EAST EIGHTH STREET. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. IS THERE A MOTION TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES APPROVAL FOR THE, THESE ITEMS AS DESCRIBED BY ROMAN CURRY SOUS CURRY MOTIONS. SECOND WE A OR JACKSON SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? DO THOSE MOTIONS PASS MR. CHAIR? THERE'S A WILLIAM CRENSHAW WITH A HAND UP. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ITEM THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN. MR. CRENSHAW, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND LET US KNOW IF YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST AN ITEM THAT WE'VE JUST VOTED ON? A FOUR. FOUR FOUR, OKAY. IS YOUR, YOUR COMMENT IS ABOUT ITEM 4 4 0 1 8 NOR HILL BOULEVARD. I, I CAN'T QUITE HEAR MR. CRENSHAW, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AT THIS TIME? NO. NO, THANK YOU. AND JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, BUT HE, BUT YOU ARE FOR THE ITEM PASSING MR. CR, HOW WOULD YES. YOU WERE SUPPORTIVE OF ITEM 44 0 4 NOR HILL BEING PASSED? NO. NUMBER SIX. NO, IT'S NUMBER SIX. YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF ITEM NUMBER SIX BEING PASSED? YES. OKAY. IT HAS PASSED. THANK YOU, SIR. HEY, ROMAN. I, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, A, A, A LITTLE COMMUNICATION HERE AND THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. THE TECHNOLOGY, I THINK WE JUST APPROVED HIS PROPERTY WITH CON WITH CONDI. WHAT IS OUR ADDRESS HERE? IT'S, UH, IT'S 1 1 1 5 EAST 14TH STREET. YES. THE OWNER MAY WANT TO SEEK APPROVAL STRAIGHTFORWARD WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS. SO, UM, I, I NEED, I DON'T, KIND OF SEEKING CLARIFICATION. OUR STAFF REPORT HAD, ALLOWING ONLY THE REPLACEMENT OF CERTAIN WINDOWS. CAN, CAN WE CLARIFY WHAT THE OWNER IS SEEKING? IS HE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS OR DOES HE WANT TO DISCUSS IT FULLY WITH COMMISSION? MR. CRENSHAW DISCUSS IT FULLY. DISCUSS IT FULLY. OKAY. I, I'D ASK THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, MOVE TO RECONSIDER THAT ITEM, VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AFTER A SECOND AND THEN VOTE AGAIN TO, OR, AND THEN HAVE THAT STAY OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I UNDERSTAND. IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND A COLUMN. SECONDS. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR RECONSIDERING THE AGENDA TO PULL OUT ITEM SIX FROM THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX. I BELIEVE WE APPROVED, YOU HAVE APPROVED THERE REMAINING PERCENTAGE OF, I THINK YOU APPROVE THE REST OF IT PULLING OUT THAT ITEM. SO I, I THINK THAT'S FINE. I, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION AND THE VOTE ON THAT, UH, ON THAT ACTION. CORRECT. SO WE WILL NOW START WITH THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX. UM, 1115 EAST, FOURTH EAST, 14TH STREET. THANK YOU, ROMAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND MY APOLOGIES THAT WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE TIGHT STAFFED AND I DIDN'T CHECK WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER THAT HE WOULD BE IN ATTENDANCE. SO, UH, MY APOLOGIES FOR, FOR HAVING THAT HERE. SO WE HAVE A, A HOME AT 1 1 1 5 EAST 14TH STREET IN, UH, IN THE NOR HILL, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER IS TO REPLACE ALL 15 ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ON THIS STRUCTURE WITH ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG INSET AND RECESSED FX WINDOWS. [01:20:03] LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S A, PROBABLY AN INVENTORY SHOT THERE. UH, STAFF'S, I'M JUMPING AHEAD HERE. BRIEF. THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THE BOTTOM OF THAT IMAGE IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE YOU SEE THE BLACK ARROWS THAT SORT OF POINT OUT TO A BORDER AND NUMBER WINDOWS STAFF WAS, IS RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE WINDOWS BE ALLOWED TO BE REPLACED AND THAT, UH, THE REST OF THE WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE BE RESTORED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND HERE ARE THOSE WINDOWS, UH, AND, UH, WILSON IN, IN THERE. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ZOOM IN ON ANY OF THESE, YOU SEE A VERY BAD WINDOW SILL HERE ON THE WINDOW ON THE LOWER IMAGE. UH, COMPLETELY GONE ON THAT WINDOW SILL, BUT THE SASHES ON THIS, ON THESE WINDOWS ARE INTACT. THEY DEFINITELY NEED SOME MAINTENANCE PAINTING. NEXT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE'S THE AVERAGE CONDITION, UM, OF THESE WINDOWS. THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT HAVEN'T PROBABLY BEEN REGLAZED SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, AND MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO COATS OF, OF PAINT ON THEM. UM, AND DEFINITELY NEED TO BE UP, UH, WORKED ON. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. BUT, UH, AFTER LOOKING AT IT CAREFULLY, WE'D MAKE STAFF MADE TWO OR THREE VISITS TO THIS HOUSE, UH, LOOKED AT ALL THE WINDOWS CAREFULLY, AND, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE WINDOWS ON THIS HOUSE, UH, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OF THAT LATER PERIOD OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE MECHANIZATION WAS GETTING A LITTLE FASTER. SO WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THE WAY THE MEETING RAILS CONNECT TO THE OTHER THREE MEMBERS OF THE SASH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DO SEE SOME MOVEMENT THERE. UM, BUT FOR, FOR US, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REPLACE, UH, WINDOWS NUMBER 1 0 1, 1 0 2, 1 0 3, AND 1 0 4 AND NUMBER ONE 15, AND I'M SORRY, ONE 14 AND ONE 15. AND THOSE ARE THE, THE WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE. BUT TO RETAIN ALL THE OTHER ORIGINAL WINDOWS. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ROMAN, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ROMAN? ON THE SIDE OF COMMISSIONER MCNEIL IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE JAMS AND TRIM AND THE ENTIRE, AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE WINDOW ITSELF. IS THAT WHAT THE HOMEOWNER'S REQUESTING? OR IS HE DOING LIKE A JAM, A S JAM PACK? I DON'T THINK THE, THE SUGGESTION, I BELIEVE IF WE DON'T, LET ME GO THROUGH MY LITTLE, SORRY, LET ME FLIP THROUGH RIGHT HERE. WHAT WE HAVE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF MEMBER LILLIAN THAW, AND I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A FULL FX WINDOW PRODUCT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL AND NOT A SASH PACK OR A SASH KIT, BUT THE OWNER, OF COURSE, CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO I'M HERE WITH MR. CRENSHAW, UM, AND HELP REPRESENTING HIM. IF YOU'LL WAIT JUST A MOMENT, I'LL OPEN PUBLIC, UM, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION JUST A MOMENT. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY, I WILL AT THIS TIME OPEN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. SO YOU, YOU CAN NOW INTRODUCE, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT. UH, YES. I'M LISA TUCKER HERE WITH, UH, MR. WILLIAM CRENSHAW. AND, UM, I AM, UH, REPRESENTING RENEWAL BY ANDERSON, WHO WOULD BE DOING THIS WINDOW PROJECT. AND, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, IT IS A FULL REPLACEMENT, MEANING THE LIP, THE SASH, THIS IS NOT JUST THE INSERT, THIS IS A FULL WINDOW REPLACEMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, REASONS FOR THAT WANTING TO BE DONE. ALSO ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENT. HE DOES NOT HAVE, UH, CENTRAL A AC AND, UH, HEAT IN THE HOME. ALSO, SOUND NOISE IS A, IS AN ISSUE FOR HIM ON THIS FRONT, UH, PART OF THE HOUSE, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, WOOD ROTT THAT EXISTS ON THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR OF THAT WINDOW OF THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT. AND I HAVE MR. CRENSHAW HERE TO ALSO SPEAK. OH. AND, UH, ON HIS INSURANCE, UM, HE'S HAVING INSURANCE ISSUES ON GETTING THAT, UH, HIS COVERAGE REINSTATED, UH, DUE TO THE, UM, THE DUE TO THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES. UM, HAVING THESE REFURBISHED, UH, KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE LEAD PAINT IN THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES. HE HAD REACHED OUT TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO TRY TO GET HELP, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT BEFORE WE WERE INTRODUCED TO HIM. AND, UH, HE JUST DOES NOT HAVE TRUST IN THOSE CONTRACTORS, UH, TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK ON THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, FAMILY HOME THAT, THAT THEY'VE OWNED, UH, SINCE MR. CRENSHAW HAS BEEN BORN. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HIS, UH, REASONING FOR WANTING TO DO ALL OF THE WINDOWS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PRESENT HERE TODAY. TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WOULD MR CRENSHAW ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK ON [01:25:01] HIS BEHALF? YES, UH, YES, THAT WOULD, AND ALSO, UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS THE NOISE. NEW WINDOWS WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF NOISES GOES, UH, LOT OF TRAFFIC COMES OFF OF NORTH MAIN ONTO 14TH STREET, HEADING OVER TO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS LIKE TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE. AND THERE'S A STREET LIGHT AT 14TH WITH STUDIO WOOD, AND BY EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING, TRAFFIC IS BLOCKED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THAT STREET, YOU KNOW, SO I PEOPLE WITH BOOM BOXES AND, YOU KNOW, LOUD MUFFLERS AND JUST, IT'S REALLY NOISY HERE. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS THAT WOULD CUT DOWN ON THAT NOISE. OKAY, THANK YOU. MR. CRENSHAW. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ROOM OR ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION, ANY COMMISSION THAT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ANDERSON REPRESENTATIVE, A RENEWAL BY ANDERSON, MRS. TUCKER? YES. YES. COULD YOU, COULD YOU DESCRIBE TO ME THE, THE, UH, EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS ON YOUR REPLACEMENT UNITS? YES, SIR. SO, UM, OUR, OUR WINDOW, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, ANDERSON WITH WOOD WINDOWS. UH, SO TO GET AN EXACT REPLICA REPLICATION OF WHAT HE CURRENTLY HAS WOULD BE WITH OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR WOOD COMPOSITE, WHICH ANOTHER TERM FOR THAT IS THAT FX MATERIAL. SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THIS IS THE CLOSEST TO A WOOD FRAME THAT YOU CAN GET ON THE MARKET THAT IS NOT JUST A FULL WOOD WINDOW. UM, THIS IS MEANT FOR PERMANENT SOLUTION, UH, MEANING HE WILL NEVER HAVE TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS AGAIN. UM, SO, UH, HOPE, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IS, IS ARE THE SASHES SMOOTH OR TEXTURED? UH, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN. IT'S A, IT'S A LOOK OF A WOOD WINDOW. I MEAN, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SMOOTH, BUT IT'S NOT FULLY TEXTURED LIKE, YOU KNOW, A REAL WOOD WINDOW. AND, AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS ARE GOING TO BE ON YOUR INSTALLATION? YES, SIR. SO, UH, EXTERIOR DETAILS, WE ARE GOING TO BE REBUILDING THE, UH, THE ENTIRE FRAME ITSELF. UH, SO THAT CONSISTS OF INTERIOR AND, AND EXTERIOR, UM, LIPS AND SEALS. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE PHOTOS, UH, ON THE INTERIOR OF SOME OF HIS WINDOWS, THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED WITH HIS WINDOW, UM, PROJECT. SO WHEN WE DO A WHOLE, UH, OUR NORMAL INSTALLS ARE WHAT WE CALL INSERTS. HIS IS CALLED A FULL REPLACEMENT, MEANING WE ARE TAKING ALL OF THE BOTTOM ROTTED PIECES OUT. UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE SIDE, UH, THE BUILD OUTS ON THAT WINDOW ITSELF AND PUTTING OUR, UH, WOOD WOOD COMPOSITE WINDOW IN THERE. SO WE'RE NOT JUST REPLACING THE GLASS SASH, WE'RE GETTING RID OF ALL THE WOOD ROT AND GETTING THE WHOLE NEW UNIT PLACED INSIDE. SO MA'AM, I AM ASKING SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS ARE GOING TO BE. WHAT'S THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE USING FOR THE EXTERIOR TRIM, AND WHAT'S THE WIDTH AND THICKNESS OF THE EXTERIOR TRIM? SO WE CAN, WE WILL USE WOOD. UH, IT, THE HOMEOWNER HAS THE OPTION TO USE A HARDY PLANK OR WOOD. UH, WE CAN KEEP THE ORIGINALITY AND USE WOOD IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UM, AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION? I, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY. THE WIDTH OF THE EXTERIOR TRIM, THE THICKNESS OF THE EXTERIOR TRIM AND THEN THE MATERIAL, IF YOU'RE USING WOOD, ARE YOU USING WHITE PINE OR YELLOW PINE OR SPRUCE FOR WE CAN USE, WE, YEAH, WE CAN USE WHATEVER, UH, WE, WE NEED TO USE. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A GUIDELINE, WE CAN USE WHATEVER YOU'RE REQUESTING US TO USE. UM, AND THEN THE THICKNESS OF IT, WE WILL KEEP THE CONSISTENCY, WE CAN KEEP THE SAME THICKNESS THAT'S THERE NOW, THOSE BUILD OUTS, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN MODIFY TO WHAT WE NEED TO MODIFY AS TO, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, COULD, COULD I ASK STAFF, COULD WE PUT UP, UH, THE, THE PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED WINDOW THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION? PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. [01:30:01] I DON'T SEE ONE IN MY PACKET. OKAY. SO I MEAN, ONE, ONE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN YOUR, IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACCEPT REPLACEMENT OF SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND RETAIN AND REPAIR OTHER WINDOWS. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ACHIEVE ENERGY, UH, SAVINGS. YOU COULD BE A LEAK PLATINUM HOME AND HAVE YOUR WOOD WINDOWS AND YOU CAN ADD INTERIOR STORE WINDOWS. THAT'S ALSO BLOCKS OUT SOUND. BUT, UM, FOR THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING BEING REPLACED, TOTALLY, WW WOULD THE WINDOWS STILL BE ONE OVER ONE? WOULD, WOULD THE, WOULD THE LOWER SASH BE INSET? DO, DO WE KNOW THOSE BASIC DETAILS? YES. IT, IT, IT REPLICATES A WOOD WINDOW. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED WITH 120 YEARS AGO. SO IT IS GONNA INSET THE SAME WAY. WE ALSO HAVE THE WEIGHT, THE SAME WEIGHT SYSTEM, PULLEY SYSTEM AS ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW. UM, SO THAT'S GIVING THE ORIGINALITY AND KEEPING THE ORIGINALITY OF THE HOME. SO THE SASHES ARE EXACTLY, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON HIS HOME NOW IS WHAT WE, UH, PRESENTED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PROJECT. THAT'S HOW THE WINDOW'S GONNA LOOK. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD ON THE STAFF REPORT UP FRONT, UH, WE HAVE IT AS REPLACED WITH ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG INSET OF RECESSED, AND WE ONLY LABEL THERE AS THE FIVE X PRODUCT. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THE, THAT IN THERE, THAT PRODUCT AS SHE STATES, THAT PRODUCT'S A LITTLE IN BETWEEN IN TERMS OF, IT'S NOT THAT REALLY SMOOTH VINYL, UH, PRODUCT. BUT, UH, A LITTLE IN BETWEEN, A LITTLE MORE RIGID HAS A LITTLE CRISPER LINES. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE WOOD THAN VINYL DOES FOR SURE. DOES THIS IS SURE WE KNOW OUR JACKSON FOR, FOR MS. TUCKER, DOES RENEWAL BY ANDERSON OFFER A WOOD WINDOW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. TUCKER. I'M GONNA, UH, ATTEMPT TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN AND, UH, CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMISSION. UM, AS I SEE IT, THE, THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS, WE HAVE A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW SOME OF THE WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED WITH THE PROPOSED UNITS AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE PROPOSED UNITS, ALTHOUGH IT'S THE PICTURE'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION, THE APP, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS AND NOT REPAIR THE RAINING WINDOWS THAT STAFF INDICATES THEY BELIEVE CAN BE REPAIRED. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN PRE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, THERE ARE WAYS TO AUGMENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY BY FILMING THE GLASS, BY ADDING INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS, WHICH CAN ALSO HELP WITH THE SOUND ISSUE, WHICH WAS ALSO DISCUSSED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE, UH, ON THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT ON TOTAL REPLACEMENT. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT, TO ALLOW, UH, THE REPLACEMENTS OF 1 11, 1 12, 1 13, 14 15, 1 0 1, 1 0 2, 1 0 3, 1 0 4, 1 0 5, AND 1 0 6. KEEP ALL OF THE EXISTING ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN ALLOW REPLACEMENT ON THE OTHER UNITS GIVEN THAT THEY REPLICATE THE TRIM DETAILS EXACTLY ON THE EXTERIOR AND LEAVE ALL OF THE, UM, CEMENT SHINGLE SIDING IN PLACE AND NOT BREAK IT AND RUIN IT, WHICH CAN BE TRICKY FROM AN INSTALLATION STANDPOINT. THAT WOULD BE A MOTION IF OKAY. UM, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. I WILL ASK FOR A SECOND. I MEAN, PREVIOUSLY WE REALLY NOT ALLOWED, IF THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO KEEP THEM. I DIDN'T GET THAT, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALUMINUM. MIC CHECK PLEASE. I, I HAVE COMMISSIONER JACKSON, YOU HAVE COMMENT. I'M, I'M IN LINE WITH COMMISSIONER SCREENY VASAN. I, I THINK IF THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE, THEIR ORIGINAL HISTORIC FABRIC AND OUR, OUR, UH, OUR MANDATE IS TO TRY AND, AND KEEP AS MUCH HISTORIC ORIGINAL HISTORIC FABRIC AS POSSIBLE. WELL, LEMME TRY ONE MORE TIME, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE TIME. IS THERE A SECOND FROM ANY COMMISSION MEMBER IN THE ROOM OR VIRTUALLY ATTENDING? OKAY, I DON'T HEAR A SECOND. SO I'M GONNA ASK, ARE, IS, IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION THAT A COMMISSION MEMBER WOULD MAKE CHAIR ? UH, MAY I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. [01:35:03] THE RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE SO NOTED AND THE PLAN'S VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU. UM, IS THAT DUE TO THEIR CONDITION AND OR IS IT DUE TO THEIR LOCATION? BOTH, UH, LOCATION, OF COURSE, THE REAR OF THE EL THE REAR ELEVATION, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DON'T NEED TO COME FORWARD AND ASK, BUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS, GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE OTHER SASHES, UM, THEY, IT'D BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD? UH, NOT PIRATE, BUT TO GET THE OTHER SOME. SO IF ANY OF THAT MATERIAL ON THE REAR OR THAT PAIR OF, UH, WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT CAN WE'RE SAYING CAN BE REPAIRED, THAT GIVES MATERIAL SOME SASHES THAT CAN BE UTILIZED TO RESTORE THE REMAINING WINDOWS. UM, UH, I I WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT STREET IS A LITTLE NOISY AND, UH, THIS ERA OF WINDOWS. I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I UNFORTUNATELY, I I'VE RESTORED A FEW MYSELF, UM, OF HOMES, FULL SETS OF WINDOWS ON A LOT OF HOUSES, DOUBLE HUNG, DONE THE WOODWORK, REBUILT ALL THE RAILS, DONE ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I'VE TOUCHED THEM AND SEEN THEM AND FELT SOME, I WILL SAY THIS WOOD PRODUCT THAT IN THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE THIS TOWARDS THE VERY LATER PERIOD OF WOOD WINDOW DELIVERY, I FEEL THAT I'VE DEALT WITH. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE HARDEST WOOD. IT DOES HAVE A SENSE THAT IT IS A, THESE WINDOWS WERE NOT, THEY WEREN'T USING STAPLES YET , BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE LEVEL OF CRAFT WE SEE OF ABOUT 20 YEARS EARLIER. AND, AND SO WITH THAT, IN THAT REGARD, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL'S POINT, I MEAN, CAN YOU, IT EVEN GIVES YOU MORE TO WORK WITH IF YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OTHER AND JUST GIVE A GOOD SOLID RESTORATION TO THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND, UH, I I JUST, IT IS ALWAYS UPON Y'ALL, WE DO OUR, I WANTED TO COME FORWARD WITH THE ASSESSMENT OF THE WINDOWS. CAN THEY BE REPAIRED? ABSOLUTELY. HAVE WE SEEN THESE WINDOWS? COULD THESE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE BRAND NEW AGAIN AND WORK, WORK REALLY WELL? YES, THEY DEFINITELY CAN. AND YOU CAN, UM, DO A NUMBER OF THE PRODUCTS TO KEEP, KEEP THE INSULATION UP. SO JUST TRYING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS I CAN BE ON THIS. AND ROMAN, I I, I DON'T KNOW IF PETE'S STILL LOOKING AT WINDOWS, BUT IT, IT, IT, WHO ALL ON STAFF LOOKED AT THESE WINDOWS AND IN THE FIELD? UH, JASON AND MYSELF, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND, UH, UH, INSPECTOR STOCKTON AND I, IT'S A RARE CASE WHERE I ACTUALLY, HE, HE WILL TELL YOU A WINDOW'S GONE QUICKER THAN I WILL. SO IF HE HAD SEEN THESE WINDOWS AND HE'S TRIED TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF THE WINDOW CHECKING BUSINESS, UH, FRANKLY, I THINK HE WOULD'VE SAID MORE OF 'EM WERE GONE. OKAY, I'LL BE, BUT, BUT, BUT I'M NOT, UH, I MEAN THAT IT'S, I'M SURPRISED AT INSPECTOR DOCTRINE, BUT THAT'S WHERE HE WOULD LAND. I'VE BEEN OUT WITH AND LOOKING AT WINDOWS TOGETHER AND I'LL, HE'LL SAY, THOSE ARE GONE, AND I'LL THINK, WHAT DO YOU ? SO IT'S A DO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOW, THE ANDERSON PRODUCT IN TERMS OF ITS, YEAH, WE, WE'VE SEEN THE FABRIC WHEN, AND IT'S, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT. I MEAN, IN TERMS OF REPLICATING FROM THE STREET, WELL, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ABOUT, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, NOT SO MUCH THE MATERIAL ITSELF AS THE, UM, PROFILE AND ITS APPEARANCE. I MEAN, PRESUMABLY IT'S AN INSULATED, UH, UNIT, FOR INSTANCE. RIGHT. SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, LOOK MORE LIKE YOU WANT 'EM TO THAN IN THIS CASE, THAN OTHERS DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT UNIT. THIS IS A, THIS PRODUCT IS ONE THAT WE'VE, I'VE SEEN IT INSTALLED IN PLACES AND IT, IT, IT, IT MEETS THE, UH, 10 FOOT RULE OR THE STREET RULE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE PRODUCT THAT DOES THE, THE PROPORTION OF THE RAILS. IT MEETS, IT, IT, THEY DO THE EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS CORRECTLY. YOU COULD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY ONE BY SIX AND THEN RIP IT DOWN TO FIVE INCHES AND IT'S NOT A STANDARD BANG AND GO INSTALLATION. THAT RENEWAL BY ANDERSON'S PROBABLY USED TO DOING. SO IT JUST TAKES MORE TIME. BUT THE UNIT, THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES ARE VERY HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. I HAVE BEEN TO ANDERSON, I'VE BEEN TO MINNESOTA. I'VE SEEN THEM MAKE THESE PRODUCTS. SURE. AND, UH, JUST ANOTHER QUESTION WAS ASKED OF THE APPLICANT. THE COMMISSION DOESN'T REGULATE MATERIALS OF WOOD. THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT. AND WHAT YOU CHOOSE WILL DETERMINE HOW LONG IT WILL LAST, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING. SO IT'S, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A CHOICE MADE BY APPLICANT'S NOT THE COMMISSION. OKAY. WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I HAD ONE MOTION. I COULD NOT GET A SECOND AT THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANOTHER SECOND AT THIS TIME OR, UH, OR A DIFFERENT MOTION. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA SECOND. OKAY. SO, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGNO, COULD YOU RESTATE WHICH WINDOWS WOULD REMAIN, UH, ORIGINAL IN YOUR MOTION? MY MOTION IS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACEMENT OF 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 [01:40:03] EXISTING WINDOW UNITS WITH A, WITH, UM, NEW UNITS FROM ANDERSON THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL UNITS EXACTLY AS, UH, INCLUDING EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS. UH, WINDOWS NUMBER 1 0 7, 1 0 8, 1 0 9, AND ONE 10, WHICH ARE THE FRONT FACADE WOULD REMAIN AS ARE. AND THEN IF THEY NEED REPAIR, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE REPAIRED. OKAY. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND WE'RE ANY A DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALL A VOTE? COULD, UH, JUST A FRIENDLY, I MEAN, COULD YOU EMPHASIZE THAT THE TRIM, EXTERIOR TRIM BE MATCHED TO MATCH EXISTING? DOES THAT NEED TO BE, IS THAT ASSUMED? I HEARD THAT. I THOUGHT IN THE MOTION. DID I MISS IT? YOU HEARD THAT. OKAY. SORRY, I WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION. ALL EXTERIOR TRIM DETAILS ARE TO MATCH EXISTING EXACTLY WITHOUT DAMAGE TO THE CEMENT SHINGLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, WHICH IS ALSO HISTORICAL MATERIAL AND WILL BREAK EASILY EMPHASIS FOR THE INSTALLER. IT'S BRITTLE. OKAY. ALL COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. HAS IT BEEN SECONDED? MM-HMM . OKAY. I'M GONNA ASK, UH, OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT ARE IN OPPOSED TO THE OKAY. PUT NO. SO WHICH WINDOWS ARE WAYS THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THEY, WHICH WINDOWS ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT ARE ACCEPTING THAT THEY REPLACE? ARE THERE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN, IN THIS MOTION? ON THE LARGE SCREEN AS WE SEE, THE MOTION IS TO ONLY RETAIN THE FOUR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH ARE THE WINDOWS? UH, ON THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PLAN. THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, NOT THE ONES ON THE SIDE. THIS REVISED MOTION WOULD REPLACE THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDES WITH NEW WINDOWS BY ANDERSON. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. I GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK, SO, UM, THOSE MISSIONERS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION OPPOSED, OPPOSES, OPPOSED? OPPOSED? WE OUR OPPOSES JONES OPPOSES. SORRY. SORRY. THAT'S THREE. SO, AND JUST TO COUNT THE, WHO WERE FOUR, CAN WE JUST, OKAY, SO, UH, THAT MOTION PASSES AND AGAIN, THE THREE OPPOSED. WERE JONES, WEAU, JACKSON, AND STAAVA. STAAVA. THANK YOU STAAVA. AND I KNOW S OLA MADE THE SECOND, UH, I CAN'T TELL COMMISSIONER DEVO IS STILL ONLINE. WE DON'T BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DEVO IS STILL AVAILABLE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM 7 14 0 8 STUDIO WOOD STREET. UH, YES, UM, MY NAME IS THOMAS GUERRERO. I'M THE HOMEOWNER. AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SIR, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET TO YOUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. JUST A MOMENT. WE'RE STAFF'S FIRST GOING TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT, AND THEN, UM, THERE MAY BE A FEW QUESTIONS FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M THEN GOING OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AND, AND, AND ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS WILL THEN HAVE TIME TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. SO JUST HOLD ON JUST ONE MOMENT. THANK YOU MR. GUERRERO. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS ITEM, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? UM, AND NEXT SLIDE. MR. GUERRERO WAS, UH, WORKING ON HIS HOUSE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. LET'S GO FORWARD TO WHERE WE, AND HE MADE SOME ALTERATIONS TO HIS FRONT PORCH RAILING AND, UH, FRONT DOOR. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, HE'S PROPOSING THAT TO PUT ONE OF THESE DOORS IN PLACE OF THE ONE HE'S DONE. SO THE C OF R WOULD BE TO PUT EITHER OF THE THESE DOORS APPROPRIATE. CRAFTSMAN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND, UM, THAT IS AN INVENTORY PHOTO OF HIS, OF HIS HOUSE. AND THIS BELOW IS, UH, HIS HOUSE TODAY. UM, AND SO HE'S JUST, HE REMOVED THE PAINT ON THE, AND AND SEALED THE WOOD IN THE GABLE. SO THAT'S THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN COLOR THERE. AND THEN THAT, UH, DILAPIDATED, NON-ORIGINAL BALUSTRADE WAS REPLACED WITH THIS VERTICAL ONE BY SIX W WOOD. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN, UM, THIS IS A ROOF PLAN [01:45:01] OF HIS GARAGE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THERE'S A FRONT EL, HIS GARAGE HAD, I BELIEVE, A PLANE FRONT ON IT. AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT, MR. GROW, YOU CAN CORRECT ME WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE INSTALLING THE DOORS ON THAT GARAGE AND MAKING A USEFUL, MAKING THIS LITTLE OLD AUXILIARY GARAGE USEFUL TO HIM, TO HIMSELF. AND, UM, NEXT SLIDE. LET'S SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE. THAT'S A SIDE OF THAT GARAGE, WHICH IS AT THE BACK OF THE LOT. IT'S NOT VISIBLE. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, SO THERE WE HAVE IT. SO, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE, UH, MR. GUERRE APOLOGIZED FOR NOT KNOWING THAT HE NEEDED TO GET A C OF R. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT OF THE GARAGE ALTERATIONS AND THE PROPOSED DOOR REPLACEMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAD EVEN A COMMENT ON THE BALUSTRADE, FRANKLY. UM, SO WE'RE SAYING DENIAL OF A C OF A AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE WITH EITHER DOOR REQUESTED TO REMOVE THE BALLAST STRAIT PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED AND INSTALL ONE WITH FINAL DESIGN TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF, THE GALL RAJ ALTERATIONS. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ROMAN COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO, I'M HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND THE APPLICANT, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YEAH, MY NAME IS, UH, THOMAS GUERRERO AND, UM, HOMEOWNER AT 14, OH, UH, 1408 STREET, WOOD STREET. I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA THANK ROMAN. I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH ME, UH, PERSONALLY TO, UH, I WASN'T AWARE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO DO BEFORE I MADE SOME OF THESE CHANGES, BUT, UH, ROMAN'S BEEN VERY PATIENT AND WORKING WITH ME ON THESE ITEMS. UM, I WILL BE CHANGING THAT DOOR OUT AND LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT RAILING, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT I CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THE, UM, THE GARAGE. UM, I'M A VETERAN AND I GOT THE, I GOT A LOAN FROM THE TEXAS LAND BOARD AND SO IT'S BEEN ON HOLD FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME WHILE I TRY TO GET APPROVAL ON THAT. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE RECOGNITION FROM STAFF WOULD, WOULD GIVE, GIVE YOU APPROVAL FOR THE GARAGE AND, UH, ALLOW FOR THE REPLACEMENT, ONE OF THE TWO REPLACEMENT DOORS THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED. AND, UM, AND THEY'LL ALSO WORK WITH YOU ON AN APPROPRIATE, UM, FRONT RAILING GUARDRAIL. YES, SIR. QUESTION TO THE APPLICATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR. I WASN'T, I WASN'T SURE. I KIND WENT THROUGH IT REALLY FAST, SO, BUT, UM, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS TODAY. UM, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND COMMISSION. IS THERE A, A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BUT THAT THE APPLICANT SUPPORTS MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DENIAL OF COA AND ISSUANCE OF THE COR AS PER THE APPLICATION? THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND BY WHEAT HOWARD JACKSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM 8 80 11 GLEN VALLEY DRIVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. UH, THAT'S, UH, IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. UH, THE, UH, HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING TRADITIONAL RANCH STYLE RE RESIDENCE CIRCA 1954. IF WE COULD GO FORWARD TO A FRONT ELEVATION. THE KEY HERE, UH, IS THAT IF WE LOOK ALSO AT THE SITE PLAN, IT'S A TRADITIONAL RANCH SPREAD OUT ACROSS A, UH, 14,699 SQUARE FOOT LOT. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A, A SEPARATE GARAGE IN THE BACK. UM, SITE PLAN ON PAGE FIVE OF THE REPORT THERE, AS YOU SEE THIS GARAGE, THE, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY LOWERED THE PITCH OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH THE PITCH OF THE DORMERS, WHICH BRINGS IT WAY DOWN. AND THEY GAVE IT A LITTLE DEPTH TO THE EVE. SO THIS WOULD BE BARELY VISIBLE, UM, BARELY VISIBLE IF YOU WERE TO THE, IF YOU'RE FACING THE HOUSE AND YOU MOVE OVER TO THE LEFT AND YOU, YOU MIGHT SEE A CORNER OF THIS PEAKING UP ABOVE THE, THE HOUSE. BUT, UH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT. IT ALMOST MEETS THE OBSCURED FROM VIEW, UH, POINT AND BEING EXEMPT. BUT WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ROMAN, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? YES. COMMISSIONER COLLIN? YES, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. UM, THIS LOOKS MORE LIKE A GARAGE APARTMENT THAN JUST A GARAGE. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY FLOORING IN IT? ANOTHER THING ARE THERE ANY UTILITIES IN IT ARE [01:50:01] GONNA BE IN IT? AND, UM, WITH OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, NO GARAGE OR CERTAIN SERVANT'S HOUSE SHALL BE ERECTED ON ANY LOT IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. SECTION TWO WITH A ROOF OR OUTSIDE WALLS OF MATERIAL AND COLOR DIFFERENT FROM THOSE USED IN THE HOUSE OR RESIDENCE ERECTED SO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE SAME MATERIAL THAT WAY. AND, UM, JUST LIKE, I'M SORRY. AND THEN I CAN'T TELL BY LOOKING AT THIS ON THE PLAT. OOH, HOW CLOSE IS THIS TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE? 'CAUSE THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. IT'S A 10 FOOT. AND IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE AN AN UPSTAIRS IN IT? IS IT, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN JUST A GARAGE 'CAUSE THIS HOUSE ALREADY HAS A DOUBLE GARAGE AND THE CARPORT ON THE FRONT THAT CAME, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WHERE IT WOULD HOUSE FOUR VEHICLES, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE THE ORIGINAL, THE EXISTING GARAGE AND TRY AND CONVERT THAT TO LIVING SPACE? AND ALSO THEY DID NOT, UH, SEND THEIR PLANS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I CAN ADDRESS THAT. SURE. THE, UH, AS BEST I CAN, WHICH IS THAT I DON'T HAVE AN INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN. UM, AND I DON'T, AND I DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT, WHETHER THEY HAD GONE TO THE, UH, GLENBROOK VALLEY CIVIC ASSOCIATION FOR APPROVAL. THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS I DO SEE A MEASUREMENT ON THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. IT SAYS SIX FOOT SIX, BUT I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S FROM THE, DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THAT? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SIX FOOT SIX FROM THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, BUT, UM, UH, TO THE INTERIOR, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INSIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE. I LOOKED AT THIS PURELY AS AN AUXILIARY BUILDING BEING BUILT. AND SO IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO CHECK WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND REPORT BACK, I MEAN, MAYBE THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE DEFER. I DON'T RECALL IF WE HAVE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, THEY WERE GONNA MAKE IT TODAY. I KNOW THEY WERE AWARE OF THE MEETING. MY QUESTION FOR, UH, KIM, UM, I MEAN WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THIS COMMISSION. SO, UM, OUR VOTES, UM, I MEAN THE CITY ITSELF IN A LARGER CAPACITY WILL, WILL, UM, USUALLY THEY HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SIGN THINGS AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE SPECIFIC ASSOCIATION HERE. THEY DO REVIEW PLANS AND, AND THAT IS PART OF THE CITY'S OVERALL REVIEW. WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL WOULD YOU GIVE US ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? SO, UH, ON THIS ITEM, REMEMBER THAT WE DON'T REGULATE WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A BUILDING. THAT, THAT IS PERHAPS A QUESTION THEN UNDER THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR THE HOA, UM, TO GET INTO WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT THE, THE PLANS ARE BOTH FOR THE GARAGE NEW STRUCTURE THAT'S SPEED AND BEING BUILT. UM, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION UP TO STAFF IF THEY WANT TO WAIT FOR A LETTER FROM THE HOA TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN THE APPROVAL FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE OR, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES EX FROM THE EXTERIOR TO THE EXTENT IT'S VISIBLE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A MATTER FOR THE HOA TO ENFORCE. SO IF I CAN INTERPRET WHAT YOU SAID, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT, THE LITTLE NUANCE IS THAT IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO FIND THIS APPLICATION, UH, POSITIVE, LET'S SAY ACCEPT ACCEPTABLE OR MAJORITY FOUND IT ACCEPTABLE, THE STAFF COULD MAINTAIN HISTORIC HOLD UNTIL THERE'S PROOF THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN MET. I, I, THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION, BUT THAT'S, BUT BUT THAT'S A WAY TO KEEP THE HOLD IN PLACE. SO WORK DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. YEAH. I, I THINK IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO DO THAT, I'D REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THAT BE SUBMITTED BEFORE THIS, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A LIGHT HOLD OR A SOFT HOLDS THE WORD I WANT, UM, ON, ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IT'S COMING FORWARD. AND THAT, THAT THEN, UM, CAN VERIFY THAT THE HOA HAS LOOKED AT IT, UM, ADDITIONALLY APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T ABROGATE OR OR OVERRIDE ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO THOSE ARE STILL ENFORCE AND ENFORCEABLE, UM, BY THE HOA. RIGHT. BUT CAN WE DEFER THIS UNTIL THE CONDITIONS ARE MET? WHAT CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET? WELL, I MEAN, UTILITY GIVES THROUGH THE A RB AND, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD, IT, IT'S ALWAYS WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION TO, TO DEFER AN ITEM TO YOUR NEXT MEETING. [01:55:01] WELL, WHATEVER Y'ALL TO DECIDE OFF, I'LL YEAH. NOT BE HAPPY. IS THAT, IS THAT A, IS IS THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT EVERY PROJECT GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD BOARD? IT'S SUPPOSED TO. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT IT IS, IF IT'S IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, YEAH. YEAH. THAT DON'T COMPLY. MY, MY QUESTION IS, I, WE DON'T REGULATE THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, IT, I MEAN IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME BEFORE TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT STAFF DOES KEEP A HOLD ON THESE PROPERTIES. AND, AND OFTEN WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO GET A PERMIT, UH, IF THAT HOLD IS IN PLACE, YOU STILL CAN'T PULL THAT PERMIT. SO YOU HAVE TO GET THAT HOLD REMOVED. AND IF, UM, AND, AND THEY DO NEED TO, THEY DO, THEY DO NEED TO GET THIS APPROVAL PRIOR TO DOING CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M JUST, THAT'S WHY I JUST FLOATED THE IDEA THAT IF, IF, IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMISSION DECIDED IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT, MAYBE IT WON'T. I DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE VOTE OCCURS. BUT THAT COULD BE A CONDITION TO ENSURE THAT THE PROCESS DOES HAPPEN. ROMAN CHAIR, TWO THINGS FOR CLARITY. THE PLANS SAY THAT THE CEILING HEIGHT IS NINE FOOT AND IT HAS AN ATTIC STAIR, A PULL DOWN ATTIC STAIR. SO THERE'S NOT, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE PLANS, THERE'S NOT A SECOND FLOOR. THE DORMERS ARE PURELY DECORATIVE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEVIATE FROM THEIR PLANS TO BUILD A SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WOULD THEN TRIGGER ANY CITY INSPECTOR TO SAY, WHY DID YOU DEVIATE FROM THE PLANS? AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'LL RELEASE A PERMIT WITHOUT FIRST GETTING, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TODAY, THEY CANNOT GET A PERMIT WITHOUT FIRST RELEASING THE HOLT. YEAH, I THINK ROMAN WANTS TO CLARIFY MY COMMENT ON THAT. UM, WE, WE AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BROUGHT ITEMS TO BEFORE IN NOR HILL WHERE NOR NOR HILL HAS DEED RESTRICTIONS AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND YOU HAVE APPROVED PROJECTS WHERE THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HASN'T SUPPORTED THEM. UM, SO, AND THAT METHOD KIND OF WORKS WHERE IT'S CLEAR IF WE DID INTRODUCE AN IDEA OF LIKE A A OF A A, THE CONDITION THAT, UH, STAFF NOT RELEASE THE HOLD. WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS FOR US AS FAR AS WE OPERATE. WE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD. THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF US, BUT EVEN WHAT CAN HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY IS IT'S, UH, SOMEONE DOWN THE HALL IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THEY'LL JUST TO GET A PERMIT THROUGH AND THEY'LL SAY, HEY, THAT LOOKS OKAY. I CAN LET THAT HOLD GO. SO IT'S BETTER TO CATCH IT HERE IN, IN IN THAT REGARD, IF I MAY SAY THAT. SO IF WE HAD TO HOLD THAT HOLD, I CAN'T. DIFFICULT. I UNDERSTAND. UM, WELL, LISTEN, I'M GONNA FIRST, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, I'M GONNA FLOAT SOMETHING. WELL, BEFORE I DO, LET ME OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, BUT JUST IN CASE THERE IS, I I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN CASE ANYONE'S HERE, UH, OR VIRTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. JUAN ERDA, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, PLEASE STATE YOUR INTENTION. HI, THIS IS JUAN ERDA. UH, I'M ON BEHALF OF, OF THE OWNER. UM, AND YEAH, IT'S, IT IS JUST, UH, A GARAGE ON THE BACK AND THERE'S NO, NO SECOND FLOOR. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SINCE HE'S ON THE, ON THE, ON THE VIRTUAL ON THE COMPUTER? HAVE YOU SOUGHT OUT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, THE A RB OF GLENBROOK VALLEY AND ASK FOR APPROVAL OF YOUR PROJECT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING IMMINENT THAT YOU'VE PLANNING ON DOING WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? NO, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED TO, TO THE, TO THE ARCHITECTURAL BOARD, SO I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT. YES, IT SHOULD BE DONE. AND TIMO SPOKE WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND SHE TOLD HIM THAT HE NEEDED TO DO THAT AND THEN HE DIDN'T DO THAT AND HE CAME RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO THE HAHC, BUT TIMO NEEDS TO SUBMIT HIS PLANS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. FOR, FOR, UH, SPEAKING ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR ITEM. UM, ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY, HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION MEMBERS. IS THERE ANYONE LIKE TO BRING A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? I'D LIKE, UH, KIM, STOP ME IF I CAN'T DO THIS. UM, I'D LIKE TO [02:00:01] MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROJECT AND ALLOW THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AFTER THEY'VE BEEN TO THE AR A RB THAT JUST ELIMINATES THEM FROM HAVING TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND MAYBE THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, GET IT DONE IN LESS THAN 30 DAYS. UH, WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE GLENBROOK VALLEY A RB AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE A RB YES, AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE A RB THAT THEN STAFF COULD DO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OR TRIGGER OUR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT ONCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE A RB. THEREFORE, IF A DIFFERENT REQUIRE, UM, SITING OR DIFFERENT BUILDING MATERIALS REQUIRED ON THE EXTERIOR, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE ACCEPTED BY STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY. SECOND, THE MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON. UM, NO, THERE OTHER DISCUSSIONS? I WILL, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM 9 7 5 0 2, GLEN HEATH STREET. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, UH, IF WE CAN GO FORWARD, THIS IS ANOTHER HOUSE IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING TRADITIONAL RANCH HOUSE CIRCA 1962. UH, I, I HESITATE JUST KNOWING, OF COURSE, IT WAS 62 AND I'M THINKING I'VE SEEN SOME VARIOUS INVENTORIES THERE. BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS THIS OWNER WANTED TO REPLACE ONCE, WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE HIS THREE FRONT, FRONT FACING WINDOWS. UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THESE ARE LARGE PLATE GLASS WINDOWS THAT ARE TRIMMED WITH AN ALUMINUM BORDER. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY IN BUILT THIS WAY. UM, IT'S NOT COMMON TO SEE THAT, BUT, UH, HE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE 'EM WITH A ONE OVER ONE PRODUCT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT IN HERE. OKAY, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THESE. THEY'RE THE WINDOWS UP CLOSE. AND NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S A CONDITION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOSE IN THE FRAMES. UM, THE GLAZINGS PROBABLY DETERIORATE SEVERELY. I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING. NEXT SLIDE. AND, UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND THE PRODUCT THEY WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE. I BELIEVE THIS IS ALSO A FX PRODUCT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I CAN'T SEE THE DETAIL ON THERE, BUT THAT WITH A ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG BLACK WINDOW, UH, IN THOSE SPACES, WE DID TALK TO THIS APPLICANT AND ASK THEM TO CONSIDER SPEAKING WITH THE, UH, ONE OF THE PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDES THE, UH, MILL FINISHED ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WE KNOW NOW ARE AVAILABLE IN THE HOUSTON MARKET. UM, THEY DID COMMUNICATE, BUT THE OWNER, UH, IS STILL WANTING TO COME FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST OF THESE WINDOWS FOR THE HOUSE. AND, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO COMMUNICATE MORE. UM, WE STAFF, WE WERE TALKING, ACTUALLY, WE WERE TALKING WITH, UH, THE CHAIR ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE. AND YOU KNOW, IF THIS, THERE ARE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT IN HERE. UM, SOME THAT ARE WHERE LIKE THE BOTTOM THIRD OR IS AN OPERATIONAL, UM, LIKE, UH, FLIP OUT WINDOW. AND, UM, BUT WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR WITH THE APPLICANT. BUT ON THIS, AS FAR AS THIS APPLICATION, AND WE DID HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION, SOME BACK AND FORTH. THE APPLICANT WANTED TO BRING THIS PRODUCT TO THE COMMISSION, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ONLINE TODAY. I UNDERSTAND. I THINK WHEN IN OUR, UH, REVIEW THIS PROJECT, UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT ANOTHER, UH, HOME AROUND THE CORNER THAT HAD THE SAME OPENING, BUT IT WAS LIKE A, A, A LOW HORIZONTAL SLIDER WITH A PICTURE WINDOW ABOVE THAT APPEAR TO BE THE SAME OVERALL HEIGHT AND OVERALL WIDTH OF THE OPENING. AND IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE NOW, THE, THE, THE FIXED UNITS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. IT SO APPEARS AND, UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE TOURS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY. MAY, MAY HAVE SEEN THIS HOME, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT HAS SLIGHTLY A MORE MODERN, UM, ASPECT TO THIS HOUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ORIGINAL. NEXT SLIDE. FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I DON'T KNOW. WE'VE A PICTURE OF THE OTHER HOME AROUND THE CORNER THAT HAD THE SIMILAR, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT. BUT IF THEY'D GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DO HAVE A CLOSEUP OF THE FIBER X PRODUCT. OKAY, THERE WE GO. UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT WINDOWS OR THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TO AVOID IF, IF YOU WANT TO DEFER THIS ITEM, WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE OWNER A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THAT THAT'D BE OKAY AS WELL. UM, AND AVOID THE OWNER HAVING TO GET ANOTHER FEE IN. IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, SO, UH, IF THEY WERE REPLACING IT WITH AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW, WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER APPLICATION. SO [02:05:01] EITHER WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, A LITTLE TIGHT STAFF, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY GET WITH THIS PERSON, WORK WITH 'EM A LITTLE CLOSER BETWEEN NOW. AND, UH, DID THEY GIVE US SPECIFIC REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE ALUMINUM WINDOW? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY. LET ME, UH, THIS, IF I, WELL, COMMISSIONER MENE QUESTION. OH, I, I, I PULLED THIS OUT. UM, I, I'M CURIOUS FROM EITHER COMMISSIONER COUCH OR, UH, CURRY OR, UM, MS. COLLINS, IF, IF THEY REALLY, IF YOU REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS AN ORIGINAL WINDOW, IT STRIKES ME AS IT WOULD NOT BE AN ORIGINAL WINDOW. WELL, THERE, THERE ARE SOME HOMES. WE, WE, AND WE'VE DONE SOME TOURS IN GLENBURG VALLEY, UM, THAT HAVE THESE OPENINGS. AND AGAIN, UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED A WEEK AGO WITH MYSELF, AND WE LOOKED AT A, A NEIGHBOR, UH, A WINDOW, A A WINDOW AROUND THE CORNER THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE THIS OPENING, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A FIXED GLASS WINDOW WITH A SLIDER ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH COULD ALSO BE AN AWNING FRANKLY, GOING FORWARD. AND IT WOULD STILL RETAIN THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, WHEREAS THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE, LIKE, ESPECIALLY IN WOOD, LIKE IN THE HEIGHTS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT EXPRESSION SO THAT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S, IT'S TALL. RIGHT. AND, UM, SO THAT WAS A CONVERSATION. LET ME JUST FIND OUT WHETHER THERE IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THOUGH. UH, WHILE WE'RE TALKING THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION. UM, BY CHANCE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IS THE APPLICANT ATTENDING THIS MEETING VIRTUALLY? PLEASE, PLEASE SPEAK UP AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF IF, IF SO, OKAY, HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND COMMISSION. UM, THERE'S BEEN ONE SUGGESTION FOR A DEFERRAL YEAH. FOR MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNER COMMISSIONER MCCOLLUM. THESE HAVE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF, BUT THIS HOUSE WAS NEGLECTED AND THEN IT WAS EVENTUALLY FLIPPED, SO, YOU KNOW, NO TELLING WHAT, AND THEN BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO THAT THEY PUT THE WOODEN THING IN THERE AND IT'S NOT LOOKED GOOD FOR A LONG TIME. RIGHT. IT DOES APPEAR THE HOUSE THAT WAS MODIFIED, THE FRONT PORCH, UM, A WOOD PORCH WAS ADDED. RIGHT. WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT WAS. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A PICTURE OF, OF THE HOUSE, UM, BEFORE THAT WAS DONE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE HOME THAT I'M REFERRING TO THAT WE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE STAFF MEETING. THIS IS AROUND THE CORNER. UM, SIM SAME SIMILAR OPENING. THIS HAS A, A PICTURE WINDOW WITH A SLIDER AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH, UM, WOULD BE A COMMON WINDOW INSTALLATION CONFIGURATION FOR THIS KIND OF OPENING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, BUT IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR TO DEFER THIS ITEM? WHAT, WHAT'S OUR PURVEY WITH A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE WITH A NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW? DO WE GET TO DICTATE? I BELIEVE IT'S THIS NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW, WHICH IT'S, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS ORIGINAL, BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY. UM, BUT THE WINDOW STILL NEEDS TO KIND OF FIT THE BASIC PATTERN OF, OF WHAT IT'S THE HOME IT'S GOING INTO. SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS IS WHILE THERE ARE SOME SINGLE HUNG ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, OBVIOUSLY ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE PROPORTIONS OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT. MM-HMM . SO THE PROPORTION OF THIS, UM, THIS HOME IS MORE UNIQUE. I WILL SAY. I, IT'S, YOU DON'T SEE THAT MANY OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE IT, LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS PUT UP BY STAFF IS THE NON-CONTRIBUTING PART, LIKE SEVERAL, THIS IS IN SECTION SEVEN EXTENSION, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES IN THERE INCLUDING MINE THAT WOULD BE CLASS HIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE HISTORICAL VALUE. BUT WE WERE NOT 50 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME OF OUR DESIGNATION AND WE WERE TOLD, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE SIGNED PETITIONS ANYWAY, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THOSE HOUSES WOULD BE RECLASSIFIED, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED. THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND, AND THE CITY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW. BUT ONE LAST COMMENT, I I, I WOULD TOTALLY MOVE FOR DEFERRAL IN HOPES THAT YOU COULD TALK TO THE OWNER. I, I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR A BLACK FIBERS WINDOW. UH, UH, IT WOULD BE A NON-STARTER FOR ME. I WOULD DEFINITELY GO FOR AN, UH, AN ALUMINUM OR MILL FINISH WINDOW. I, I WITH PROPORTIONS FOR ME THAT ARE UPPER SECTION, UPPER TWO THIRDS, YOU KNOW, FIXED GLAZE, AND THE BOTTOM THIRD HAS A SLIDER OR AN AWNING. 'CAUSE THAT TO ME IS WHAT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST FYI. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND BEFORE [02:10:01] CURRY, BEFORE THE SECOND. DID, DID UH, MR. MCALLEN WANT TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE RECENT ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP? YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE. I'M FINE. YOU OKAY? ALRIGHT. WAS GOOD. WAS GONNA COME BACK ON THE NEED TO RESURVEY ALL OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT I'M FINE. WELL, BUT, WELL, BUT THAT'S IT. IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT THE, THE ISSUE, I'M SORRY TO DIGRESS WITH JUST BRIEFLY, UH, ABOUT, UM, RECLASSIFICATION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE OWNER'S CHOICE. I, I THINK AT THIS POINT, TO SAY, TO COME TO THE COMMISSION AS A NON CONTRIBUT OWNER OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY AND ASK FOR IT TO BE RECLASSIFIED, IS THAT WE, WE HAVE THIS ONE ALREADY AS NON-CONTRIBUTING. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT IF, WHAT IF, THEORETICALLY, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF THIS OWNER WANTED TO, UH, HAVE IT RECLASSIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING, WOULD THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD DO? SURE. THE ORDINANCE STATES, AS A DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SHOULD REVIEW THE, OR IS, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, CON ENSURING THAT THE, THAT THE SURVEYS HAVE BEEN ACCURATE AND IF THEY NEED TO BE REVISED, IT SHOULD BE UPDATED. BUT IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, A MATTER OF US GETTING, WE'VE HAD SOME REVIEW OF DISTRICTS, BUT WE NEED TO DO, BUT DO I RECALL THAT IT'S BEEN DONE IN A ONE, I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING FOR IT. IT'S A, UM, BUT, BUT HASN'T IT BEEN DONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS? HASN'T THIS COMMISSION SEEN AN A, AN APPLICANT COME TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER? WE GOT WITH CITY COUNCIL VERY SOON. YEAH. AND I THINK, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT BY THE APPLICANTS THEMSELVES IS WHAT, IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, SURVEY, WHICH SHOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF, UH, A BROADER WE DONE AT ONCE. AND WHILE, WHILE I'VE GOT YOU A, A TWOFER, A QUESTION, UM, DID, DID YOU HAPPEN TO VISIT THIS PROPERTY? HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? OKAY. SO I CAN'T, I WON'T ASK YOU ABOUT THE DOOR OR ABOUT THOSE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET. , THANK YOU. WELL, THE, THE PRESENT DOOR IS ACTUALLY MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE VICTORIAN THAT WAS IN ITS PLACE. IF YOU USE GOOGLE STREET VIEW, THERE WAS A METAL VICTORIAN. YEAH, I, I THOUGHT THE OTHER TWO WINDOWS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND ARE NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. MIKE, MIKE HAS SOME LIGHT ON THE QUESTION ABOUT ORIGINALITY, THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE APP. BUT WE'LL LEAVE IT, WE'LL LEAVE IT ALONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND LOOKING FOR A SECOND. I SECOND IT IS YOUR COUCH SECONDS. UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERRAL. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOVING ON TO ITEM, I BELIEVE 12, UH, FIVE 18 WEST 13TH STREET. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD, MIGHT COMBINE ITEM 13 IN THE PRESENTATION. IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? OKAY, WITH ME, I SAVE TIME. I, I THINK YOU CAN CERTAINLY COMBINE THEM BOTH IN THE SAME PRESENTATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY DON'T NEED TWO MOTIONS AFTERWARDS FOR THE TWO. THAT'S FINE ASPECTS, BUT YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UM, THIS IS, UH, A REQUEST FOR A PRO REGARDING PROPERTY AT FIVE 18 WEST 13TH STREET, WHICH IS IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS. AND IT HAD A, A 1600 SQUARE FOOT, ROUGHLY ONE STORY BUNGALOW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A 66,920 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR LOT. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW CIRCA 1920. THE OWNERS ARE HERE TONIGHT, AND THEY MIGHT LET YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY MOVED TO THE DISTRICT. IT HAS A CARPORT AND IT WAS, IT HAS RECEIVED A C OF A IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR FROM THIS COMMISSION FOR, UH, AN IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, BUT ALSO AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR A NEW GARAGE APARTMENT IN THE REAR FREESTANDING AND BEFORE YOU. THEN WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT THE OWNERS, UM, S SOME WHILE THEY WERE WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION PLANS CHANGED AND THEY DID NOT GET THE C OF A CHANGED. SO WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION ON BOTH OF THESE. AND, UM, IF WE LOOK HERE, WE SEE THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE TOP. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM, THE CURRENT, UH, THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE OWNERS HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF RESTORING SIDING AND, UH, RESTORING THE WINDOWS. UH, THE WINDOWS THAT YOU DO SEE HERE HAVE ALL BEEN WORKED ON AND RESTORED BY, UH, ONE OF THE LOCAL WINDOW RESTORATION SPECIALISTS. UH, IN THE IMAGE ON THE BELOW YOU SEE HERE IS THE, IS THE APPROVED TWO STORY REAR EDITION OVER ABOUT THE BACK QUARTER OR THIRD OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE SPACE THERE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL DEFINED CORNER. AND THEN IT GOES BACK AND, AND THEN THERE YOU SEE THE OTHER PART OF THE HOUSE STILL, IT'S, THIS READS AS ONE LONG HOUSE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THERE'S A FREE, THAT LAST STRUCTURE'S FREESTANDING NEXT IMAGE, OR NEXT PAGE I SHOULD SAY. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS A VIEW UP THE ALLEY AND, UM, [02:15:01] INTERESTINGLY, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT'S VIEW FROM THE, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE'RE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY LOOKING UP THE ALLEY, BUT THE OWNER, UH, WHO'S HERE NOW, MR. LAPPE WAS COMMENTING THAT WE ACTUALLY SOME INTERESTING WORDING UNDER THE CRITERIA. UM, WITH THAT, WITH REGARD TO THAT, WE'LL VISIT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. NEXT PAGE PLEASE. UM, HERE, KEY PHOTOGRAPH THERE IS AN INCREDIBLE, UH, AS THEY SAY, STORY OAK HERE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT WHITE VEHICLE, UM, IS THE CARPORT, UH, KIND OF OVER THAT FENCE. YOU SORT OF SEE THAT. BUT ABOVE THE CARPORT YOU SEE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE COVERED WITH PAPER THERE. THOSE ARE TWO SINGLE PANE STYLE CASEMENT WINDOWS. AND WHERE THAT, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS A DOOR THAT WAS, WELL, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS PROBABLY NOTHING. BUT OVER TIME THERE WAS A DOOR THERE AND THE, THE OWNER WOULD STEP OUT ONTO IT. THIS WHOLE PART OF THE HOUSE WAS ADDED IN THE SEVENTIES, THAT WHOLE WING WITH THAT DORMER ON IT. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY OVER A SLAB. SO IT WAS LIKE A BUILT LIKE A DR, UH, LIKE A GARAGE. AND THE CURRENT OWNER IS, UM, MAKING IT ALL MORE INTEGRAL. NEXT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO PRESENT. HERE'S AN INTERIOR PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT I'M SAYING. SO PLEASE, WILSON, IF YOU'LL ZOOM IN LIKE YOU WERE ON THAT TOP PHOTO. YOU'RE IN THE HOUSE SORT OF LOOKING INTO THAT SPACE NOW. NOW THE OWNER HAS PUT A, A FLOOR IN THERE THAT WAS JUST A SLAB, A UH, YOU KNOW, UH, 18 INCHES BELOW THAT FLOOR ORIGINALLY. I THINK WE HAVE THAT PHOTO TOO. UM, AND YOU SEE HE HAS AN ORANGE, THIS IS A SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT. THERE WAS A, A WINDOW THERE BEFORE, NOT TWO, BUT THERE WAS ONE WINDOW THERE. NOW THERE, UH, OR TWO. AM I READING THAT RIGHT NOW? THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS IN THE GABLE THAT YOU SAW ABOVE THE CARPORT. I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT. THE RIGHT. JUST THERE WAS ONE. THERE WAS ONE, YEAH. AND THAT WAS TWO. NEXT SLIDE. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THAT. THE OTHER IMAGE, NOT LESS. SO, NEXT PAGE PLEASE. THAT'S AN INTERIOR SHOT WHERE THE OWNER DID REMOVE A PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. IT'S THE THIRD PAIR DOWN THE SIDE, DOWN THE ALLEY THAT WAS NOT APPROVED. THOSE WERE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UH, THEY SAY THEY WERE, UH, SEVERELY DECAYED IN, UH, WHERE YOU ARE. THAT'S GOOD, WILSON. WE DO WANNA NOTE THAT THREE NEIGHBORS, NOT JUST ANY NEIGHBORS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT STARE AT THIS HOUSE EVERY DAY. ONE OF WHOM I BELIEVE IS AN ARCHITECT, ONE OF WHOM IS ON A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OF A CIVIC ASSOCIATION, ALL SUPPORT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THIS HOUSE, UH, INCLUDING THESE CHANGES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU. NOW, UM, THESE ARE, IF I WERE TO GO IN THESE, UM, LET ME ACTUALLY GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION JUST TO BE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REALLY LOOKED AT THE HOUSES. UM, GONNA READ ONE OF THOSE TO YOU AS SOON AS THE LAPTOP. UH, THIS IS A NEIGHBOR WHO JUST WANTS TO SHARE ABOUT THE EXTRA CARE AND DESIGN REGARDING THE REAR ADDITION, THE NEW FRONT SIDING, MATCHING THE ORIGINAL AND THE TASTEFUL TREATMENT OF THE FACADE. NEXT, NEXT SLIDE. UH, HE'S ANOTHER NEIGHBOR. UM, HIS NAME'S BRIAN. HE'S ACROSS THE STREET AND, UM, HE'S ON THE ARCHITECTURAL, AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IN, IN FLORIDA. AND HE JUST, UH, SUPPORTS THE PROJECT. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT COLOR'S FINALLY PAINTED. NEXT ONE, ANOTHER COMMENT, UM, SINCE THE MOMENT YOU START WORKING ON THIS HOUSE AND NOTHING BUT GREAT CARE AND CONCERN FOR ITS ORIGINAL STATE, SO VERY SUPPORTIVE NEIGHBORS, AND I, I JUST ALWAYS LIKE TO STRESS THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A SET OF, UH, PAPERWORK FROM THE OWNER WHO CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE LATER. UM, IF WE GO TO PAGE FOUR OF THAT, JUST FORWARD ANOTHER TWO PAGES. THIS IS WHERE THE OWNER IS POINTING OUT THE HISTORIES. HE'S DONE A REAL GOOD JOB OF SHOWING ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THE LEFT. THAT ADDITION CIRCA 1973 ON THE RIGHT. AND THE NEXT PAGE. NEXT PAGE. AND WE'LL USE THESE AS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED. WHAT'S BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW? THE, UH, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE, YOU SEE THE TWO BOXES AT THE TOP. AND AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, THOSE ARE THE TWO WINDOWS. THEY'RE REQUESTING OUR RECOMMENDATION FINALLY, AFTER REALLY REVIEWING WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, AFTER KNOWING, UH, AND THE OWNER CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS, THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS WHOLE WING. UM, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY ONLY ONE WINDOW BELOW THE CARPET, NOT TWO. SO THE DRAWING WAS INACCURATE IN THAT REGARD. WE FEEL THAT THE TWO CASEMENT WINDOWS ABOVE THE CARPORT ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT THEY SHOULD REMAIN, UM, AS THEY ARE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, NOW WE CAN KEEP GOING. THAT'S WHAT WE GOT IN THERE. UH, MY COMPUTER LOCKED HERE. LET'S KEEP GOING. I CAN'T GET THERE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO WITH THAT. THAT'S AN INTERIOR SHOT. LET'S KEEP GOING. ACTUALLY, WILSON, I DON'T, OKAY, HERE'S, [02:20:01] HERE'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE. RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU WILSON. ZOOMING IN THERE. SO OF NOTE, THIS IS AN ELEVATION THAT YOU APPROVED, BUT WITH NEW DRAWING OVER IT. SO YOU NOTE THAT THE THIRD PAIR OF WINDOWS FROM THE RIGHT WAS REMOVED AND THAT AREA WAS RECITED OVER IT. YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THAT. WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY'D NOT HAVE TO PUT THOSE BACK BECAUSE AS WE'VE STOOD, WE STAND BY THE STANDARDS OF THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY INTERIORS, WHICH RECOGNIZES THE BACK HALF OF A SIDE ELEVATION AS THE LEAST SIGNIFICANT ELEVATION. IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION, THE, WE WOULD, UH, PROBABLY HAVE ASKED THE, SAID THE SAME. STAFF WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED THE SAME IN THAT REGARD. IF THEY HAD BEEN ASKED TO REMOVE THE, UH, UP AT THE TOP THERE, THEY'RE ASKING, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE TOP PAIR OF WINDOWS, BOTH ON THE ABOVE THE HOUSE AND ON THE REAR. SO THE, THE TWO PAIRS OF WINDOWS ON THAT UPPER STORY BE REPLACED WITH ONE OVER ONE INSET AND RECESSED WINDOWS. THOSE ARE THE MOST VISIBLE DOWN THE CORRIDOR. AND THAT'S IT WITH THAT. LET'S SEE. WILSON, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL. SO COULD YOU PLEASE GO FORWARD AND WE CAN SORT OF ADDRESS THIS AS A GROUP HERE? OH, ACTUALLY IT'S A GOOD SPOT RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE THERE. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ONE PHOTO WAS TUCKED IN THERE. I SEE. THAT WAS WITH THE, THE CUSTOM, WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. BUT I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE GARAGE. THE GARAGE HAD AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE ELEVATION FACING THE ALLEY CALLED FOR ONE PAIR OF ONE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS INSET AND RECESSED. IF YOU'LL GO FORWARD, PLEASE. THERE WE HAVE IT. THAT'S THE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR A NEW GARAGE. UH, IF WE'LL GO FORWARD HERE, THE PRODUCT THAT ENDED UP HERE IS TWO PAIRS OF, OF CASEMENT WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE UP THERE. AND THEY'RE FLUSH MOUNTED. THEY'RE NOT INSET AND RECESSED. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE BE WINDOWS BE REMOVED AND REINSTALLED, INSET AND RECESSED, BUT WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED THAT THEY BE CHANGED TO ONE OVER ONE. UH, BUT JUST BY INSET AND RECESSING 'EM THAT FAR DOWN THE ALLEY, WE FEEL THAT THAT'LL GET THAT ELEVATION MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN AND, UH, WILSON'S ENDED UP ON A ROOF, ON A ROOF PLAN THERE. BUT WE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT REPORT IN MY COM. MY LITTLE THING HERE IS LOCKED UP. SO, UH, ANY, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ROMAN FOR WHAT HE'S DESCRIBED? ROMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE PROCESS. SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAME BEFORE THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION SUCCESSFULLY GOT A COA, THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. WERE THEY WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICE OR DID THEY JUST TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO CHANGE? WHAT I MEAN SURE. YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE OFFENDED BY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SURE. I'LL JUST, WELL, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT. WE, WE, THE THING ABOUT IT, I ALWAYS, I NEVER SAY THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T REACH OUT TO US 'CAUSE WE'RE SO BUSY IN THERE. BUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS IS WE WERE REVIEWING THIS. I I, BEFORE WE, I I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, IS THIS AN ADMINISTRATIVE, WHAT CAN WE DO? I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO, TO LOOK AT, SO I WENT OUT AND TALKED TO, TO THE OWNERS AS, 'CAUSE IT, IT, THERE'S SO MUCH WORK ON IT AND I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT, UH, THEY HAD A SITUATION WITH THEIR CONTRACTOR THAT GOT A LITTLE SIDEWAYS THAT CONTRACTOR'S NO LONGER WITH THEM AND THEY'RE TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO MALICE NECESSARILY. NO. SO THE CONTRACTOR CHANGED THE WINDOWS WITHOUT THE OWNER'S KNOWLEDGE OR NO? NO. I DON'T KNOW. I'M GONNA STOP THERE. OKAY. THE OWNERS ARE HERE. THEY CAN SPEAK RIGHT, RIGHT. FOR IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER COUCH AND I WERE LOOKING AT THE FIGURE FOUR VIEW OF NEW GARAGE APARTMENT FROM THE STREET, AND THERE ARE THREE FACES THAT HAVE HARDY PLANK ON THEM, AND ALL THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE NOT RECESSED. AND WHAT WE JUST HEARD YOU SAY ABOUT THE GARAGE IS THAT THEY COULD KEEP THE CASEMENTS SO LONG AS THEY RECESSED THEM. OR ARE THESE OTHER FOUR WINDOWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDER THE SAME CONDITION? THAT PHOTOGRAPH RIGHT THERE? YES. YES. SO THESE, THESE TWO WINDOWS HERE, TWO WINDOWS HERE ON THOSE WE'RE ON, THOSE WE'RE RECOMMENDING REPLACEMENT OF THOSE WINDOWS WITH ONE OVER ONE INSET AND RESET WINDOWS OVER THE HOUSE. THEN THAT NEXT BANK STRUCTURE WITH THE, WITH THE FOUR, KEEP THE WINDOWS. SORRY. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC DISCUSSION [02:25:01] AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNED UP, BUT I BELIEVE THE, AS ANNOUNCED THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE. AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND I HAVE NOT APPLY. AND FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER ALDA LEFT DURING THIS ITEM AT 4 52. OKAY. SO I APOLOGIZE. COULD, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FIRST AND SISSY? EARTHMAN. LAPIN. THANK YOU. AND MY HUSBAND, MARK LAPIN. MARK LAPIN. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU BOTH ARE ABLE TO SPEAK AND, UM, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU. NUMBER ONE, WHEN THE WINDOWS WERE ORDERED, WE HAD REDONE MY SON'S HOME AND WE HAD USED THE JELLED WIND WINDOWS. THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS INTO IT, WE GET THE NOTICE FROM GROGAN SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS. SO WE WENT WITH ANDERSON, WE WENT WITH THE WINDOWS THAT WE COULD GET IN FOUR MONTHS. OKAY. RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT. IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO HURT ANYBODY. THIS IS ON AN ALLEY THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE FROM THE STREET. WE HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT BASICALLY DIDN'T RECESS THE WINDOWS, DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PLANS, AND WE'RE DEALT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, IT'S BEEN DEVASTATING, BUT WE'RE LEFT TO CLEAN UP THE MESS. UM, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT HAS BEEN FINANCIALLY. YES, THIS IS, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS ON AN ALLEYWAY WHERE YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. WE HAVE TRIED TO BE SUCH GOOD STEWARDS, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR NOTHING, IT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. WE SIT ON THE PORCH OFTEN OUT THERE AND, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE HOUSE. EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORS. WE'VE GOT MORE TEXAS SUPPORTING EVERYTHING. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING AND WE APOLOGIZE UPFRONT. WE, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW. AND IT, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE THE WAY THAT I FOUND OUT. UH, WE LET THE CONTRACTOR, UH, GO. AND SO I, WE TAKE OVER, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF REMODELS THROUGH THE YEARS, BUT, UM, THEY WERE NOT HISTORICAL. THEY WERE NOT HISTORICAL. SO THIS CONTRACTOR HAD EXPERIENCE. AND, UM, SO I CALLED FOR THE, UM, FOR THE INSPECTION SO WE CAN GET THE INSULATION STARTED FOR THE POLYS SEAL. AND HE CALLS, SO HE COMES OUT NICE, UH, YOUNG MAN, HE CALLS A SENIOR INSPECTOR AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU NEED TO GET, UH, ROMAN ON THE PHONE BECAUSE THE WINDOWS DON'T MATCH. SO HE GETS ROMAN ON THE PHONE AND THEY TALK, UH, AND HE'S ON THE SPEAKER PHONE FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES. AND THEN THE SENIOR CALLS BACK AND QUOTE UNQUOTE, HE SAYS, WHERE IS THAT WHINY LITTLE CRYBABY, EXPLOSIVE F THAT CAN'T READ HIS OWN F EXPLOSION PLANS. AND THAT'S HOW I LEARNED TO, I LEARNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT. SO AGAIN, WE APOLOGIZE. THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE, UH, ARE CASEMENT WINDOWS. UH, WE CERTAINLY CAN PUT TRIM AROUND THEM. UM, BUT WE MOLD, YES MOLDING, WE CAN PUT A, UH, A BASE ALONG THE BOTTOM AND WE CAN REPLICATE IT. WE, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS, BUT THE WINDOWS ARE GORGEOUS AND THE NEIGHBORS, ALL OF THEM LOVE IT. BUT YOU DON'T SEE, AND ALSO THEY, YOU DON'T SEE 'EM FROM THE STREET GUYS. THEY'RE ON AN ALLEYWAY. AND I, I INCLUDED, UH, SOME GOOGLE STREET VIEWS THAT WERE TAKEN IN 2015 AND THEN CURRENT, UH, AND YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T SEE DOWN THE ALLEYWAY. GRANTED RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH THE, UH, BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, THERE'S, THERE'S LESS, UH, FOLIAGE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T COUNT ON FOLIAGE TO FOR BLOCKAGE, BUT, BUT IT IS ON AN ALLEYWAY. I MEAN, WE'VE GONE SO FAR AS THE TREES OUT IN FRONT. WE'VE HAD AN ARBORIST COME AND FEED THEM EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY. I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT SCREWED . THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS WHILE THEY'RE HERE? AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO THIS. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD AND SPEAKING ON, ON BEHALF OF YOUR PROJECT. UM, I NEED TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE ATTENDING, PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, VIRTUALLY, UH, THERE'S NO, NO OPTIONS IN THE ROOM, UH, TO ALSO WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE, UH, UNMUTE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME AND, AND [02:30:01] ANNOUNCE YOUR YOURSELF. OKAY. NOT HEARING, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP OR WILLING TO, UH, WANTING TO SPEAK. UM, OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO MAKE SURE JACKSON, CAN I SAY IT BY, AMONG COLLEAGUES, THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REPLACE THE FIRST PAIR OVER THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WITH ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG, AND THEN THE PEAR ROMAN BEHIND THAT AND THE GARAGE APARTMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE GARAGE, SECOND STORY WINDOWS WOULD REMAIN THE CASE MEANT, BUT BE RECESSED AND TRIMMED OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THERE ARE TWO ON THE UPPER WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE STAFF'S RECOMMENDING. SO IN THIS PICTURE, THE, THE ON THE UPPER LEFT AND UPPER RIGHT OF THE GREEN MASS, ARE BOTH OF THOSE RECOMMENDED TO BE REPLACED WITH DOUBLE HUNG? MM-HMM. THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND JUST THE GARAGE APARTMENT REMAINS THE CASE MEANT RECESSED AND TRAVIS. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND, OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, NOT HAVING TO PUT BACK A WINDOW, A PAIR OF WINDOWS, UM, AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE ORIGINAL HOME. AND THEY'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING KEEPING THE CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE NON-ORIGINAL EDITION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EDITION. ROMAN, WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YES, PLEASE. I JUST WANNA CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO SOMETHING THAT MR. LAPIN POINTED OUT TO ME THAT I THINK IS JUST NOT NOTICED. IF WE GO TO, UH, WILSON, JUST UP, UP TO PAGE TWO OF 12 OF THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK THAT YOU'RE IN THAT REPORT NOW. UM, WELL, IT WOULD BE THE STAFF REPORT ON ITEM E 12. I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE IN THAT ONE, WHICH WILL GIVE US THE CRITERIA RIGHT THERE. IF WE COULD ZOOM IN. INTERESTINGLY, THIS LANGUAGE, AND I'VE ALMOST WALKED OVER TO, UH, LEGAL HERE, BUT NUMBER SIX SAYS, NEW MATERIALS TO BE USED FOR ANY EXTERIOR FEATURE, EXCLUDING WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC ALLEYS MUST BE VISUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS, AND, UM, HUMBLY I WILL SAY TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I ALWAYS THINK JUST RIGHT AWAY, VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IS MY, MY MANTRA. UH, I HADN'T REALLY NOTICED UNTIL MR. LAPIN POINTED IT OUT TO ME THAT IT SAYS, EXCLUDING WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC ALLEY. AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I JUST HADN'T NOTICED IT. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S THERE AND I'M, I GOTTA LEAVE IT TO EVERYBODY HERE TO INTERPRET THAT. HELP ME OUT THERE . SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IT, WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE ARE USUALLY SPEAKING OF, OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS WHAT NEEDS APPROVAL. SO THANK YOU. SO LOOKING TO THE, UM, EAST ELEVATION PERHAPS OPPOSITE THE ALLEY, THOSE WINDOWS IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION YOU'RE RECOMMENDING CAN BE MAINTAINED AS THE CASE MET, AS A FLUSH OUT. I DID ASK WOULD THOSE BE, UH, REINSTALLED WHERE THEY'RE INSET OKAY. AND RECESSED THERE? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE. SO THEN WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR REPLACING THE CASEMENTS ON THE ALLEY ELEVATION IS THAT THEY ARE MORE VISIBLE OR THAT ONE HERE THEY'RE ALL ALLEY ELEVATION. WE'RE SPEAKING OF EVERYTHING. SO WILTON, IF YOU'LL GO TO, UH, DOWN TO THE PAGE EIGHT, SIX OF 11 WHERE YOU ARE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PAGES, SIX OF 11 AND KIND OF ZOOM IN THERE ON THE LOWER IMAGE. OKAY, HERE'S A VIEW. THIS VIEW IS ABOUT FROM THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK IN THE IMAGE. SO I'M IN THE STREET, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SAY VISIBLE FROM THAT ALLEY'S KIND OF CONFUSES ME. I'M IN THE STREET LOOKING UP THE ALLEY. BUT IN THAT UP THE ALLEY VIEW WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE REC, IF WE START AT THE VERY REAR, THAT'S THE GARAGE BACK THERE WITH TWO PAIRS OF TWO PAIRS OF CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE FLUSH MOUNTED WITH, RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE WE'RE SAYING TO RESET THOSE. AND THEN ABOVE THE HOUSE, BEHIND THE TREE IS A PAIR. AND THEN THE OTHER PAIR THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE. BUT ROMAN, I'M SPEAKING ON PAGE SEVEN AND EIGHT OF, OF 11 ON PAGE SEVEN IS THE ALLEY FACING ELEVATION OF THE NEW ADDITION. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING REPLACEMENT OF THOSE TWO PAIRS OF THE UPPER LEVEL WITH ONE OVER ONE. CORRECT. SO THEN ON THE OPPOSITE ELEVATION ON PAGE EIGHT, OH, OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE CASEMENTS TO STAY BUT BE RECESSED ON THE UPPER ELEVATION [02:35:01] OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. I'M JUST NOT, IS THAT A THANK YOU BY CHAIR? IS THAT, IS THAT A VIEW SHED THING OR IS THAT I FAILED, FAILED TO STATE ONE THING. CLEAR THAT ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF EIGHT OF 11, WE ACCEPT ANY CHANGES THEY MAKE THERE. THAT ALL IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE. THAT STUFF IS NOT VISIBLE, CERTAINLY OBSCURED FROM VIEW. SO ANYTHING THAT IS FULL REAR ON FACE AND THEN ANYTHING FACING THE INTERIOR WE'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH BECAUSE IF WE GO TO, SO IT'S A VIEW SHED ISSUE FOR THAT YES. ALLEY FACING ELEVATION. SO IF WE, UH, WILSON, PLEASE SIR, IF YOU'LL GO TO PAGE 11 OF 11 AND KIND OF ZOOM IN THERE, YOU SEE THAT THAT YEAH. IS TUCKED BACK THERE. YOU SEE HOW, SO THAT'S WHY WE, THERE'S NO REASON TO EVEN DISCUSS THOSE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING CLEAR ON THAT. OKAY. WE'RE ONLY CONCERNED WITH THAT, THAT OUR STAFF ROOM, AGAIN, IS THE ALLEY EAST OF ELEVATION. AND WE'RE RECOMMEND IT'S OKAY TO KEEP THOSE TWO THAT ARE FACING WEST ABOVE THE CARPORT. AND ROMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE FOR ANY ADDITION MADE TO A HOME OF THIS CHARACTER, UH, IF THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE, UM, IF THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT ARE ONE OVER ONE, THE MOST STANDARD WINDOW, WHAT WE, WHAT WE, WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SEEN, UH, PROPOSED AND WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS REQUIRED IS A ONE OVER ONE ON THE ADDITION AGAIN. UM, AND I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE'VE EVER, UH, APPROVED FIXED WINDOWS THAT ARE VERTICAL IN NATURE OF THE SAME OPENING TYPE AS A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW. I HAVE SEEN WHERE WE APPROVE LIKE IN ABOVE A SHOWER OR SOMETHING, A A SMALLER WINDOW THAT'S NOT AS, UH, LARGE. UM, BUT I MEAN THAT'S THE ISSUE AT HAND IS IT'S JUST THE, THESE ARE PUNCHED OPENINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ONE OVER ONE THAT WAS ON THE C OF A. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS. AND YOU'RE ACCEPTING OF THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW, ACCEPTING OF THE GARAGE WITH MODIFICATION AND ACCEPTING OF THE GABLE WINDOWS WITH SOME MODIFICATION ON THE OTHER SIDE. EXCEPT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE QUESTION HERE IS THE VIEW, THE VIEW SHED. AND SO IF THE CRITERIA EXEMPT THE VIEW SHED FROM THE ALLEY, IS THAT WHAT WE JUST DETERMINED? THEN SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T THE SAME REASONING APPLY TO THE, THAT APPLIES TO THE OBSCURED SIDE, APPLY TO THE ALLEY SIDE SINCE THAT IS EXEMPTED, IF IT'S A VIEW SHED ISSUE THEORETICALLY, BUT IF THOSE HAD BEEN CASEMENT WINDOWS IN THE ORIGINAL COA WE NEVER WOULD'VE VOTED FOR, WE'VE APPROVED IT. OKAY. WE WOULD'VE SAID NO. THEY HAVE TO BE ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG OR DOUBLE HUNG, NOT CASEMENT WINDOWS. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A INTERNAL MU BAR THERE. BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THE VIEW SHED, BECAUSE THEY ARE VISIBLE, WE'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE HEIGHTS. AND WE WOULD'VE NEVER SAID, OH SURE, GO AHEAD AND PUT CASEMENTS ON THIS INSTEAD OF ONE OVER ONE. WE WOULD'VE ALL SAID NO, PUT IN A JELLED WIND FOR THE LAST WOOD WINDOW THAT MIMIC THAT LOGIC. THEN SHOULDN'T WE TURN AROUND ON THE INTERIOR, ON THE OBSCURED VIEW AND SAY THEY NEED TO BE ONE OVER ONE AS WELL? WELL, I, YEAH, BUT I BELIEVE, I MEAN, YOU COULD STILL, YOU COULD, YOU COULD WALK, YOU COULD STILL WALK AWAY FROM THE ALLEY GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THAT ADDITION AND STILL SEE THE ADDITION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. YOU CAN STILL SEE THEM, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT LINED UP ON THE ALLEY, IS IT? YOU COULD WALK DOWN THE STREET AND SEE ALL SIX OF THOSE WINDOWS. OKAY. I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER SIDE AT ALL. IT'S ALREADY DONE. UH, YOU KNOW, SOME GRACE. SURE. I KNOW. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE GRACE . BUT, BUT IF IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN IT THAT STANDS. OKAY. SO THE LAST ITEM COMMISSION MEMBERS. SO, UM, ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO BRING? UH, MR. MCNEIL QUESTION? I'D LIKE TO BRING A POINT OF CONSTRUCTION. I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN RECESS A CASEMENT WINDOW WITHOUT IMPACTING THE OPERATION OF THE CASEMENT WINDOW. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO, BECAUSE I THINK ONCE YOU RECESS IT, NOW YOU'RE IMPINGING THE HINGE AND IT WON'T OPEN. AND IF IT'S A SLEEPING AREA UP THERE, THAT'S YOUR EGRESS WINDOW AND THEY CAN'T GET OUT. I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO PLAY WITH THE WINDOW ITSELF AND PLAY WITH RECESSING. IT, I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO, HOW DO THEY, WHEN THEY, I'M SORRY. NOW I'VE GOTTA ASK THIS. CAN I CHAIR, MAY I ASK THE OWNERS COMMISSIONER ROMAN, PLEASE, UH, UH, WHEN YOU ROLL OUT THE CASE, BUT WINDOW, DOES IT GO PAST, UH, A 90 DEGREE ANGLE? IT COMES LIKE THIS, IT BACKS OFF THE OPENING A LITTLE. ALL RIGHT. SO HE'S SAYING IT'S, HE SAYS IT BACKS OFF THAT OPENING A LITTLE AND THEN COMES OUT SO YOU COULD I THINK SO. THEORETICALLY RECESS IT, EVEN IF IT'S A PIVOT, EVEN IF IT DIDN'T, THE PIVOTS NOT A GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, I'LL BE QUIET, BUT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU COULD CUSTOM SET THAT. [02:40:02] SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I I DON'T WANT TO TRAUMATIZE THE BIG PEOPLE HAVE TO GET UP FRONT. THE OWNERS HAVE SUGGESTED, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD JUST PUT MORE TRIM ON THE GARAGE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF DEPTH. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO Y'ALL. THEY WANTED TO SAY THAT. SO I'M JUST RELAYING PYTHON. I'M GONNA SIT DOWN. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, UH, W WITH REALLY SOME DEEP MISGIVINGS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WITHOUT COMING BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND JUST GETTING APPROVAL OF WHAT YOU DID. 'CAUSE THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IS VASTLY DIFFERENT IF YOU JUST COME BEFORE US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO WORK ON THIS THING. AND, UM, THAT ON, I'M GONNA GO BY ELEVATIONS. I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH JUST TWO MAJOR ELEVATIONS. SO, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, PAGE EIGHT. DO I HAVE A DIRECTION ON THAT? IS THAT NORTH WEST? SO, SO ON THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED UP INTO THE GABLE INN, UH, EXCEPT AND APPROVED THE FOUR WINDOWS THAT ARE CASEMENTS, INSTEAD OF, UH, DOUBLE HUNGS APPROVE ON THE, UH, ALLEY FACING, WHICH IS EAST. THEN, UM, REPLACE THE EXISTING CASEMENT WINDOWS, UM, FOUR EXISTING CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH ONE OVER WITH, WITH WOOD, DOUBLE HUNG GELLED WIND OR SIMILAR. UH, KEEP, KEEP THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT ONE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE. ALLOW FOR THE THREE FIXED WINDOWS DOWN ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. ALLOW FOR THE, UH, REMOVAL OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL DOWN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT AND THEN ON THE GARAGE FACE, ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF TRIM TO MIMIC, UM, SOME DEPTH AND LEAVE THE EXISTING CASEMENT WINDOWS IN PLACE. IS THAT CLEAR? YES. IS THERE A SECOND? JUST DO, SO THE DISCUSSION JUST TO, SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD ON THIS, THE ALLEY FACING ELEVATION, WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY REPLACE THE CASEMENTS WITH ON THE HOUSE HUNG, YEAH. FOUR FOUR CASEMENTS. FOUR CASEMENTS WITH, UH, 1 0 1 HUNG LET THE REMAINING CASEMENTS REMAIN. OKAY. AND ADDING A, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. IT IS, IT IS, UM, PRETTY CLOSE. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. THEY WANTED THE CASEMENTS. IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S IT'S VERY CLOSE. IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS WORK FOR THE HOMEOWNERS. OKAY. WITH REGARD TO THE GARAGE WINDOWS. YEAH. OKAY, SURE. FROM A, FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A WAY E ADMINISTRATIVELY OR TO ALLOW THE HOMEOWNERS TO, TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT? IF THERE IS A FOUR MONTH LEAD TIME FOR THOSE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, IS THERE A WAY TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE THEIR WORK ON THE HOME UNTIL THOSE COME IN SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A STOP WORK OR A, I BELIEVE IF THEY HAVE AN APPROVAL FROM THIS COMMISSION, THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NO LONGER, UH, STATIONARY. THEY CAN, THEY, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A PLAN YEAH. APPROVAL. THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD SHOWING THAT THOSE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. RIGHT. THEY, THEY CAN'T CLOSE THE PROJECT OUT UNTIL IT'S DONE. BUT, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO INSULATE, THEY CAN HANG DRYWALL. RIGHT. WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT THEY, AND NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH A RETROFIT WINDOW AS OPPOSED TO A NEW CONSTRUCTION WINDOW. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WASN'T THAT WAITING THE FOUR MONTHS THROUGH THIS WINDOW. NO, THEY CAN GET, WASN'T GONNA HOLD THE BACK. THEY CAN GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THEN ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PUT SOME FOAM INSULATION, PUT THE INTERIOR TRIM, EXTERIOR TRIM ON THAT WINDOW, AND BE DONE WITH THE PROJECT AND GET EVERYTHING ELSE DONE IN THE MEANTIME WHILE YOU'RE WAITING ON GELMAN TO DELIVER. SO THE INSPECTOR'S GONNA LET THEM, YEAH. YEAH. THEY'LL HAVE TO SSE AROUND THOSE WINDOWS AND THEN TAKE THEM OUT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN INTERFACE. MIC CHECK PLEASE. FROM THE INSPECTOR ON THE, ON THESE WINDOWS THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE COMMISSION'S RULING THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT PERMANENT. THEY'RE TEMPORARY WINDOWS AT THIS POINT. THOSE FOUR CASEMENT WINDOWS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AYE SECOND. NO SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM F, JUST MR. CHAIR, [02:45:01] JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT DID ENCOMPASS BOTH ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT? MY APOLOGIZE. ITEM F IS, IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME. IF THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UM, WOULD I LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF. OKAY, NOT HEARING. I'M GONNA CLOSE. UH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. AND, UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE HAAC COMMISSIONERS? NOT HEARING ANY, I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A COMMENT FROM OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. ROMAN, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? UM, I COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T HAVE A REPORT. UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS GOING ON. THE, THE, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE. PLEASE READ THAT ORDINANCE AND GET BACK TO US WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. I ALSO WANT TO COMMENT THAT THEN I THINK WE HEARD THAT WE, WE MAY BE HOLDING A, A SPECIAL MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. AND, UH, PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR AND WE'LL GET AN INVITE OUT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. IS THERE A TENTATIVE DATE ON IT? UH, IN THE DISCUSSION EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT PUBLIC HEARING, WE DISCUSSED HOLDING ANOTHER, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE HERE? DO WE KNOW, OR? YES. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE IN INTERIM BETWEEN THIS, YEAH, IT'S LEGAL'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, THAT THIS COMMISSION HOLD MORE THAN ONE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND CERTAINLY IT PROVIDES A BIGGER, LONGER OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT. AND, UM, AS I STATED, I THINK THE, UH, MOTION TO SET THE COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING WILL GO ON THE AGENDA. WE'LL SEE WHAT COUNCIL DOES WITH THAT NEXT WEEK AND WHEN THEY SET THEIR DATE. COULD YOU RESTATE THE DATE, THE DATE OF THAT MEETING? THE, THE DATE RIGHT NOW. SO THE SPECIAL MEETING WE'RE PROPOSING FOR YOU ALL IS FEBRUARY 9TH, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. HERE. I'VE, I'VE ASKED THERESA YES, I'VE ASKED THERESA TO, WE BELIEVE IT'S A AVAIL. WE BELIEVE THIS ROOM IS AVAILABLE AND TIME, SAME TIME WORKS. WHAT'S THE LEGAL ON THE ANNOUNCING PERIOD WINDOW FOR? IS THIS TWO WEEKS? THAT MAY TWO WEEKS? NO, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THE ONLY POSTING REQUIREMENT IS THE AGENDA POSTING. OH, FOR THIS ORDINANCE? YEAH. WE HAVE NO ADVANCE NOTICE REQUIRED. OKAY. TELL THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC, WELL, WE WILL TELL THE PUBLIC, BUT, UM, DON'T WORRY. I SUSPECT THAT WILL GO UP ON THE WEBSITE TOMORROW. UM, AND THEN COUNSEL WILL HEAR, WILL CONSIDER A MOTION ON FEBRUARY 1ST, UM, TO CONSIDER SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT NOW, THE PROPOSED DATE FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING IS THE 22ND OF FEBRUARY. THAT ALLOWS FOR A TAG DATE TO TAKE IT INTO MARCH, UM, IF NEED BE, OR THEY COULD CHOOSE ANOTHER DAY, I PRESUME. AND WE VOTE ON THE, UH, THE PLAN WOULD BE FOR YOU ALL TO SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL FROM YOUR NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON ALSO TO HAVE IT AS A SEPARATE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN BE SURE WE ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND WE WOULD VOTE IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE VOTING ON THE NINTH. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE REQUEST. UM, UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS AND YOU CONTINUE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. BUT YEAH, WE NEED TO PUSH TILL AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING. UH, NO COUNCIL CANNOT ACT UNLESS THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU AND THEY CAN'T HOLD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING EVEN WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU. SO SOME POWER OF A COUNCIL . YES. THE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POWER, BUT IT'S PROCEED IT. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT. THE OTHER GENERALLY THING OF, OTHER THING THE OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON, AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH, ARE THE GLO PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON INVOLVING EITHER THE DEMOLITION OR THE REHABILITATION OF HOUSES. AND I REPORTED TO THE HOUSTON, TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S COMMITTEE ON, UM, HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THINK IT'S HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ON THE TOPIC. AND THEY ASKED FOR A REPORT FROM ME TO GET, TO GET AHOLD OF ALL OF THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT. BUT WHAT I WAS SHOWING IS QUITE ASTOUNDING WITH THE FEW PROJECTS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT. WE'VE MOVED THREE HOUSES THAT TWO, ALL THREE ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO BE IN THE THIRD WARD. AREA TWO ARE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER RIVERSIDE. UM, BUT IT'S REALLY SOUTHWOOD, WHICH IS A LITTLE SUBDIVISION THERE. AND THEN, AND THESE THREE HOUSES WERE BRICK HOUSES CONTRIBUTING TO AN [02:50:01] A NATIONAL REGISTERED ELIGIBLE AREA. SO THOSE HOMES, NOW, THEIR BUDGET HAS MOVED TO $200,000 AND THOSE HOMES WOULD BE REHABILITATED RATHER THAN DEMOLISHED. AND WE'VE SEEN IT ON A, UM, AMANDA COLEMAN WORKED ON THIS A LOT, BUT WE'VE SEEN IT IN EVEN, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN ITS SUNNY SIDE AND ALL OVER. SO WHAT WHAT IT TELLS ME IS I'M TRYING TO GET AS FISH EFFICIENT AS WE CAN IN THE OFFICE ON DEALING WITH THE DAY TO DAY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY GETTING SPENT IN THE CITY. AND IF THEY, BUT FOR OUR OFFICE'S INTERVENTION, FRANKLY, THE GLO WOULD BE VIOLATING SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE FEDERAL CODE USING FEDERAL MONEY AND DESTROYING HISTORIC RESOURCES IN OUR CITY. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING HARD TO GET AHEAD OF THAT. YOU KNOW, ROMAN, THE, THE GENERAL END OFFICE HAS TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS TO DO SURVEYS AND MAKE THESE ASSESSMENTS. AND AGAIN, THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU'VE BEEN SHOWING US, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. SO IT SEEMS ODD THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS PATTERN BECAUSE IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A REQUIREMENT AND, AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAINED TO DO THIS WORK. MM-HMM . AND THEY DO. AND THESE ARE RECOGNIZABLE FEATURES. YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S TROUBLING THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IF IT, IF IT'S ELIGIBLE, IT'S ELIGIBLE. IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S THAT'S RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S A GRAY LINE, WE, YOU KNOW, THE TECH STORE COMMISSION WILL GIVE THEIR OPINION ON WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T. I MEAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL WEIGH IN ON THAT. RIGHT. BUT IT, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S STRANGE. I I THINK LIKE A LOT OF OTHER STATE AGENCIES, STAFFING IS A, IS A PROBLEM. SO THEY'RE WORKING WITH LARGE NUMBERS OF PROPERTIES AND MAYBE THEY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH EYES ON THEM AND THEY'RE MISSING, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE ANITA STREET, I THINK THAT GOT LABELED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING, BUT, UM, AMANDA WAS THE FIRST ONE OF MY OFFICER POINTED OUT WHEN SHE WAS WITH US, SHE SAID, CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS BUILDING? AND THERE WAS NO WAY YOU CAN SAY IT'S NOT, IT, IT WAS ALTERED, IT HAD A FILLED IN FRONT PORCH, BUT IT WAS ALL BRICK. I MEAN, IT WAS IN ANYONE'S, WITH A REMEDIAL UNDERSTANDING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING HOME. SO THEY SWITCHED ON THAT ONE, AND, AND NOT AWAY, RIGHT AWAY THEY SWITCHED AND SAID, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ALREADY ESTIMATED AT 130, SO WE'LL GET STARTED ON THE REHABILITATION. UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW HOMES, THEY'RE ALL OFFERED A VERY LIMITED PLANS. AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. NONE OF THE, FRANKLY, NONE OF THE PLANS, ONLY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S GOT IT. RIDE IS PLEASANTVILLE. THANK GOODNESS FOR MARY FONT. NO. CONGRESSWOMAN SHEILA JACKSON LEE WORKED, AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE BUILDING APPROPRIATE HOMES WITH BRICK VENEERS, WITH INTEGRATED GARAGES. AND I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE GL THAT SAID, WELL, THAT WAS A ONE-OFF. YES, WE DID THAT, BUT WE HAD TO PULL A LOT OF STRINGS. AND WE AGREED TO DO THAT. AND WE DID. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF SCRATCHING MY WAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WITH PRESSURE, YOU AGREED TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL LAW, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT IN ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO ANYHOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH. AND WE RECOGNIZE, AND WE ALL WORK. THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT IN, AGAIN, IT'S STAFFING. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT MAY ALSO JUST BE KNOWLEDGE AS WELL, BUT SO SURE. BUT IT AFFECTS EVEN THESE POTENTIAL CONSERVATION DISTRICTS OR AFFECTED BY THESE ALSO DECISIONS. ALSO, THESE NEIGHBORS CAN, CAN DESTROY THESE REMAINING FABRIC IN MANY OF THESE SIGNIFICANT LOCATIONS THAT ARE JUST MAYBE CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT. THEY'VE BEEN UNDER, UNDER UNDERREPRESENTED, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WITH RE WITH RESOURCES AND, BUT THERE'S A STILL A, THERE'S A STORY THERE. PEOPLE HAVE ROOTS THERE. YEAH. AND IT'S, UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. IT'S, IT'S ON ONE MORE REASON TO GET THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS RIGHT, AND THAT AS A TOOL. YEAH, IT IS. SO, BECAUSE THE LOCAL DESIGNATION, SO THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION LOOKS TO OUR OFFICE. I'M LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER KA WHO SERVED ON THE STATE BOARD OF REVIEW. I THINK HIS TERM JUST ENDED. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY LOOKED TO OUR OFFICE WHEN THEY GET A REQUEST. AND SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL DESIGNATION ON IT, THAT IF NO ONE ANSWERS THE PHONE, IT'S GONE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE THOUGH IS, AND, AND, AND I HAVE, I'M BASICALLY SAYING IF IT'S INSIDE THE LOOP IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THE CHANCES ARE IT'S AN ELIGIBLE AREA, VERY HIGH CHANCE. AND SO WE SHOULDN'T BE SEEING THESE CONSTRUCTIONS OF LIKE THIS. AND, AND, AND THEN, SO ANYWAY, UM, I'M PROUD AND GLAD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE TIME AND, AND GET TO ONES WE HAVE GOTTEN TO. THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROMAN. UH, ITEM I ADJOURNMENT. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.