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TWO 30,[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on October 20, 2022.]
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE QUORUM HERE IN THE ROOM.EXCUSE THE MEETING IS BEING CALLED TO ORDER.
MAY WE HAVE SILENCE IN THE GALLEY, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
IT IS, UM, WHAT IS TODAY, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20TH,
WE HAVE A QUORUM HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.
I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND I AM OFFICIALLY CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UM, A FEW HOUSEKEEPING RULES SINCE WE'VE GOT A HEALTHY AUDIENCE HERE TODAY.
UM, DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING, APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND MAY BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES.
IF ANY OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS, I MAY CALL ON APPLICANTS FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AND THOSE PRESENT MAY SPEAK FOR UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR OF VICE CHAIR.
IF YOU DID NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN ADVANCE, YOU CAN SUBMIT A SPEAKER REQUEST.
THEY'RE JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR, OR I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO SO IN THE CHAT.
IF YOU'RE ONLINE, IN THE TEAMS APP.
UM, PLEASE SUBMIT THAT SPEAKER REQUEST SO THAT YOUR NAME CAN BE, UH, RECOGNIZED AND, AND, UH, ANNOUNCED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IF JOINING VIRTUALLY VIA TEAMS, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF AND ONLY UNMUTE WHEN YOU'RE CALLED UPON.
UM, THIS MEETING DOES MEET CURRENT OPEN MEETING LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, SO AS LONG AS CORPS MEMBERS ARE VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE, UM, THEY WILL BE INCLUDED.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT, UH, ONLINE TODAY.
I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR COM, OUR QUORUM HERE IN PERSON.
UM, IF YOU ARE ONLINE AND PARTICIPATING COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, UH, AND RESPOND WITH YOUR LAST NAME AND EITHER PRESENT OR PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
UH, SO NOW I'M GOING TO, UH, TAKE THE ROLL CALL OF COMMISSIONERS GATHERED HERE.
I'M BETH WEAU, JACKSON, VICE CHAIR, PRESENT AND COLUMN PRESENT.
AND LISTENING ONLY SINCE SHE'S NOT VISIBLE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
COMMISSIONER SEP SEPULVEDA IS ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER STAAVA AND COMMISSIONER YAPP.
SO WE, AND, UM, ACTING SECOND.
JENNIFER OLY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE RECORD.
UM, IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT TODAY? YES, THERE IS.
UH, I'M JENNIFER AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M JENNIFER OLAND, ACTING SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS MEETING OF THE HAHC IS BEING CONDUCTED IN PERSON AT 900 BAGBY STREET IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE PUBLIC LEVEL OF CITY HALL ANNEX.
THIS ROOM HAS A FRONT AND REAR DOOR, EASILY AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, OR IF YOU NEED TO STEP OUT TO TAKE A PHONE CALL.
UH, HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF SOME PRESERVATION WORKS IN SEPTEMBER THAT'S, UH, BEYOND TODAY'S AGENDA.
STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 283 APPLICATIONS THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST WITH 13 RECEIVED SINCE THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER SO FAR THIS YEAR, THIS COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED 108 OF THESE 283 APPLICATIONS.
STAFF REVIEWED SEVEN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS WITH 79 AS THE TOTAL, UM, AS THE OCTOBER ONE YEAR TO DATE TOTAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
STAFF ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR SIX PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS WITH A TOTAL OF 39 AS OCTO AS OF OCTOBER 1ST.
THE NEXT HAHC MEETING IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH AT 2:30 PM THE DECEMBER HAHC MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 14TH AT 2:30 PM THE NEXT HISTORIC BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING IS MONDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH AT 9:00 AM THE SIX 15 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
APPLICANT HAS FILED AN APPEAL AFTER YOUR SPECIAL MEETING ON OCTOBER 10TH.
IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6
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OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.AND THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UH, THERE IS NO CHAIR'S REPORT TODAY, UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF, OF, UH, CHAIRMAN HICK, AND I DO NOT SEE THE MAYOR'S LIAISON HERE.
IS MARTA EO ON THE ONLINE? VIRTUALLY BY CHANCE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 8TH, HAHC MEETING.
THOSE MINUTES WERE POSTED WITH THIS, UH, AGENDA, AND IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
UM, ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE, UH, WE HAD THE SPECIAL MEETING, I THINK IT WAS A MONDAY MORNING.
UH, WILL, WILL A MINUTES BE GENERATED FOR THAT SEPARATELY ON THE NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, SIR.
THE MINUTES WILL ARE BEING PREPARED AND WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING? YES, SUBSEQUENT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? UNLESS THERE ARE COMMENTS.
THE SEPTEMBER MEETING MINUTES.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE IN A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER JONES WILL SECOND.
AND ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS MCNEIL ABS STANDS.
MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO WHO MADE THE MOTION IN THE SECOND PLEASE? UH, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JONES, UH, APPROVED.
AND COMMISSIONER DEBOSE HAS JUST JOINED US.
WITH THE MINUTES PASSED, UH, THE, THE FIRST ITEM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE LEONEL CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER AT 2101 SOUTH STREET.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, OR GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA DELEON AND I'M A FORMER CITY OF HOUSTON, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION INTERN AND A MASTER'S CANDIDATE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON.
STAFF SUBMITS FOR YOU, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM AGENDA ITEM A, AN APPLICATION FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE LEON CASTILE COMMUNITY CENTER AT 2101 SOUTH STREET.
UH, THE LEONO CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER IS A ONE STORY SPANISH MISSION REVIVAL STYLE BUILDING BUILT BETWEEN 1919 AND 1921.
AND THE BUILDING IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE NEAR NORTH SIDE, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORIC DISTRICT, DESIGNED BY NOR NOTABLE ARCHITECT ALFRED J FINN, WHO DESIGNED THE SAN JACINTO MONUMENT BEFORE BECOMING THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THE BUILDING WAS FORMERLY ROBERT E. LEE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH SERVED THE FIFTH WARD FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
THE SCHOOL SERVED AS AGA STRIKE SCHOOL IN THE 1970S WHEN LEONO CASTILLO LED A PROTEST AGAINST HOUSTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT'S INTEGRATION PLANS FOR MEXICAN STUDENTS.
ROBERT E. LEE ELEMENTARY CLOSED IN 2002 WHEN CUDDLES AND ELEMENTARY OPENED AND WAS BOUGHT BY HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT TO, TO BE HISTORICALLY RENOVATED AND CONVERTED INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER.
HONORING CASTILLO'S LEGACY AND ROLE TO THE COMMUNITY, LEON CASTILLO'S COMMUNITY CENTER MEETS CRITERIA 1, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA ONE AND TWO AND THREE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE LEONEL CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER AT 2101 SOUTH STREET.
I HAVE ALSO PREPARED THE REPORT AND I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.
UH, COMMISSIONER ADRIAN GARCIA IS ALSO HERE VIRTUALLY TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE CASTILLO CENTER AND THE DESIGNATION.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.
THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER GARCIA SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE OTHER, UH, SIGNED UP IF, IF INTERESTED, UH, MR. BUSANTE.
SO COMMISSIONER GARCIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD OFF? ABSOLUTELY.
AND I, UH, I'M HONORED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, COMMISSION.
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CHERYL FOR THAT.UH, GREAT OVERSIGHT O OVERVIEW OF THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
I'M PROUD THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS, UH, UNDER THE PORTFOLIO OF, UH, THE PRECINCT TWO COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE.
UH, IT IS, IT CONTINUES ON ITS MISSION, UH, TO EDUCATE AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY, UH, CREATED TO DO, BECAUSE TODAY IT IS ALSO HOME TO, UH, A EARLY CHILDHOOD STEM ACADEMY WHILE CONTINUING, UH, TO SERVE ITS FUNCTIONS AS A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE NEAR NORTHSIDE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO IT'S, UH, HISTORIC IN MANY REGARDS.
UM, BY NAME LEONEL CASTILLO, UH, HOUSTON'S FIRST HISPANIC, UH, CITYWIDE ELECTED OFFICIAL, UH, WHO SERVED AS CITY CONTROLLER BACK IN 1971, UH, IS THE NAMESAKE OF THIS BUILDING TODAY.
UH, AS IT WAS MENTIONED, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE ROBERT E. LEE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UH, BUT TODAY, UH, IT IS ALSO GOING TO BE HOME TO THE FLORES, UH, COMMUNITY PARK.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, JOSE FLORES, UH, A YOUNG MAN, 11 YEARS OLD, WHO WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED IN HOUSTON NEAR NORTH SIDE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FAMILY TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THIS PARK IS FITTING OF THE, THE, UH, MEMORY AND LIFE OF THAT BEAUTIFUL YOUNG MAN, AND IT WILL BE ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM, UH, FROM THE SCHOOL.
BUT TO THAT END, UH, LET ME ALSO JUST, UH, SAY THAT, UH, UH, I HOPE THIS DOESN'T WORK AGAINST THE EFFORT TO, UH, GET THIS BUILDING, UH, HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED, BUT FORMER HOUSTON CITY COUNCILMAN AND OUR CURRENT, UH, COUNTY SHERIFF ED GONZALEZ, UH, WAS ALSO A YOUNG STUDENT OF ROBERT E. LEE.
SO I HOPE THAT THAT WILL GAIN US, UH, SOME POINTS IN, UH, IN BEING DESIGNATED, UH, HISTORICALLY VALUABLE.
UH, BUT I, I WILL ALSO JUST SAY THIS, I, WHEN I SERVED ON HOUSTON CITY COUNCIL, I'LL SAY PROPONENT OF, UH, FINDING OPPORTUNITIES TO DESIGNATE, UH, STRUCTURES AS HISTORICAL, UH, UH, HISTORICALLY VALUABLE AND, UH, AND THAT CONTRIBUTED, UH, TO THE CONTINUED, UH, PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER IN MANY COMMUNITIES.
I'M PROUD THAT I HELPED TO, UH, CREATE THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT IN, UH, IN HOUSTON'S, UH, HISTORIC, UH, SIXTH WARD.
AND ALSO, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO, UH, ENSURE THAT THOSE EFFORTS, UH, KNOWN WELL IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON ALSO ARE A PART OF HARRIS COUNTY'S FABRIC.
AND SO, FOR THOSE REASONS, AND MANY MO MANY OR MORE, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM A STRONG ADVOCATE AND, UH, WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION TO RECOGNIZE THE, UH, HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE LEONNE CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, TO BE, UH, TO RECEIVE THIS, UH, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE DESIGNATION.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
IT'S A GREAT PROJECT FOR PRECINCT TOO, FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
AND I, FOR ONE, AM THRILLED TO SEE HARRIS COUNTY, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THIS.
I HOPE IT'S THE FIRST OF MANY, UH, COUNTY OWNED FACILITIES THAT COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION FOR LANDMARK STATUS.
UH, IF I CAN HAVE TAKE THE PRIVILEGE OF SAYING THAT.
UM, SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE, COMMISSIONER.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A JORGE BUSANTE, ARE YOU HERE WITH US OR ONLINE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I'M, I'M WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S STAFF.
UM, I'LL JUST SECOND HIS COMMENTS AND, AND DEFER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROTECTED LANDMARK UNDER CONSIDERATION? OKAY, HEARING NONE, I THINK THAT MEANS I CAN CLOSE THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER DEVO? YES, MA'AM.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER GARCIA FOR, UH, PRESENTING THIS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, UH, SO THAT THIS BUILDING WILL BE PROTECTED.
UM, IT WILL ONLY ADD, UM, WE NEED SO MUCH OF BUILDINGS LIKE THIS TO BE PROTECTED AS HISTORIC LANDMARKS IN THE CITY BECAUSE IT ADDS, UM, TO THE RICH AND DIVERSE CULTURE AND HISTORY OF HOUSTON, UM, TO THE JOSE FLORES FAMILY.
WE KNOW THAT THIS CANNOT REPLACE YOUR LOVED ONE, UM, BUT JUST IN SOME SMALL WAY, HIS MEMORY WILL LIVE ON FOREVER BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AT THIS BUILDING.
AND SO, I TOO AGREE, UM, WITH OUR CHAIR THAT
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THIS IS ONE THAT, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND CONGRATULATIONS ON PRESENTING THIS, UH, TO THIS COMMISSION.THANK YOU, MADAM COMMISSIONER.
OKAY, STAFF, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE? SO, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE LEONO CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER AT 2101 SOUTH STREET.
COMMISSIONER DEPOSE HAS MOVED.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE SECONDS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS, SAMANTHA, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU ALL AND APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THE SALZMAN HOUSE, UH, ON BRAYWOOD BOULEVARD.
I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM B AND APPLICATION FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE SALZMAN HOUSE AT 36 15 NORTH BRAYWOOD BOULEVARD.
BUILT FOR JULIUS AND TERRY SALZMAN, CIRCA 1956.
THE COUPLE LIVED OUT THEIR LIVES IN THIS HOME WITH THEIR SON JERRY.
THE COUPLE MOVED FROM CHICAGO AND NEW YORK TO HOUSTON IN THE 1940S.
THE HOME WAS SOLD ONLY IN 2014 AND EVENTUALLY PURCHASED BY THE CURRENT OWNERS WHO OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
THE SALTZMAN HOUSE IS A RAISED ONE-STORY MID-CENTURY MODERN RESIDENCE, LOCATED IN BRAZE HEIGHTS, DESIGNED BY ARCHITECTS JOSEPH KRAKAUER AND HERB GREEN.
THIS UNIQUE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEXT TO BRAZE BAYOU AND SUFFERED FLOODING DURING HURRICANE HARVEY, WHICH RESULTED IN THE ELEVATION OF THIS STRUCTURE.
THE HOME IS DISTINCTIVE IN FORM AND DETAIL THAT INCLUDES JAPANESE AND INTERNATIONAL STYLE INFLUENCES WITH PYRAMIDAL HIP ROOF, AND DEEP EAVES.
36 15 NORTH BRASSWOOD SHOWCASES A TRIANGULAR THEME AND GRADUATED DETAILS THROUGHOUT THE EXTERIOR WHILE THE FLUTED GLASS HAS BEEN CHANGED OUT.
OTHER EXTERIOR DETAILS REMAIN INTACT, SUCH AS THE ORIGINAL MAHOGANY FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE AND WOOD WINDOW.
JOE BRICK WAS USED IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION WHEN THE RAISED, WHEN THE RAISED THE FOUNDATION WAS RAISED.
WHILE THE HOME HAS BEEN ELEVATED AND A NEW GARAGE ADDED IN FRONT OF THE ORIGINAL, THIS HOME STILL RETAINS SIGNIFICANT INTEGRITY.
THE SALTZMAN HOUSE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF KRA HOUR AND GREEN'S COLLABORATION, AND CAPTURES THE STORY OF CHANGE OVER TIME IN RELATION TO HOUSTON'S HISTORY.
IT ALSO IS SYMBOLIC OF THE CLIENTS IT WAS BUILT FOR AND THEIR INTERESTS.
THE SALZMAN HOUSE AT 36 15 NORTH BRAYWOOD BOULEVARD MEET CRITERIA 1, 3, 4, 6, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA, ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE SALZMAN HOUSE AT 36 15 NORTH BRAYWOOD BOULEVARD.
THE CURRENT OWNER'S, MAUREEN GULL AND ASHRAF GENNI SHOULD BE PRESENT VIRTUALLY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM, AS WELL AS THE SON OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, JERRY SALZMAN AND ARCHITECT ROBERT MORRIS.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF THEM FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS REPORT AS WELL AS PRESERVATION HOUSTON FOR PROVIDING THE BIOGRAPHICAL RESEARCH.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT.
THEN LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MR. GUINEA, ARE YOU HERE WITH US ONLINE? YES.
MYSELF AND MY WIFE M GOT ALSO ONLINE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR PUTTING FORTH THIS PROJECT.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, HONESTLY, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN ALMOST SEVEN YEARS SINCE WE, WE, WE, WE CALLED IT HOUSTON, OUR HOME, AND MOVED TO THE CITY, BOTH OF US FROM DIFFERENT PART PARTS OF THE WORLD.
BUT DEFINITELY I THINK MODERNIST CENTURY, IT IN THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY DIFFERENTIATES IN HOUSTON VERSUS OTHER CITIES.
AND, AND, AND I THINK WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE PRESERVE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHATEVER LEFT OF THOSE STRUCTURES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY WE WE'VE DECIDED TO BRING THIS, THIS, UH, TO NOMINATE THIS, THIS PROJECT AND, AND THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
SO WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME AND, AND EFFORTS PUT IN THIS PROCESS.
WE, WE HOPE WE, WE, WE CAN, UH, PRESERVE THIS PROPERTY AND THIS STYLE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE NEXT GENERATION ALSO TO ENJOY REALLY AND ADMIRE.
UM, NEXT WE'VE GOT MR. SALZMAN.
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YES.UM, SO I DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT TO SAY EXCEPT I, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE A PLACE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH AND HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF, UH, UH, MAINTAINED AND, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IMPROVED.
SO I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT A, WHAT A NEAT HOUSE TO GROW UP IN.
UH, AND FINALLY WE HAVE, UH, ROBERT MORRIS, WHO'S THE ARCHITECT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.
GLAD TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT THIS HOUSE.
UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT, UH, I'VE WRITTEN AN ARTICLE.
I'M A WRITER FOR PAPER CITY MAGAZINE, AND I'M THE ARCHITECTURAL WRITER, AND JUST RECENTLY DID A, AN ARTICLE ON, UM, HERB GREEN IN HOUSTON.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT'S IN THAT ARTICLE.
UH, SO, UH, WE HAD A GOOD CHANCE TO MEET ASH AND, UH, JENNY AT THEIR HOUSE AND, UH, HAD A LONG TALK.
AND I ACTUALLY VISITED THE HOUSE BEFORE HARVEY AND, UM, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS, UH, 2010 MAYBE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, THEY HAD, THERE HAD BEEN A LITTLE RENOVATION WORK DONE TO IT THEN, BUT IT WAS STILL PRETTY MUCH ORIGINAL.
UH, SO IT WAS A SURPRISE TO SEE IT RAISED LIKE THIS.
UH, BUT THE BEST THING IS THAT IT WAS PRESERVED.
UM, AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, WHICH WAS ALSO DONE BY KRAKAU AND GREEN, WHICH WAS, UH, THE MENDE RESIDENCE, UM, IT'S STILL ORIGINAL AND IT HAD A LOT OF DAMAGE, A LOT OF FLOOD WATER DAMAGE, BUT IT, UH, IT STILL REMAINS AS IS, ALTHOUGH THEY, UH, DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF DOING THE INTERIORS.
BUT THIS HOUSE, UH, THE SALZMAN HOUSE, UM, IS, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S RAISED NOW, SO IT'S, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT, UH, IT'S BEEN PRESERVED, AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS EFFORT IS THAT, UH, IT'S STILL THERE ON THE ORIGINAL SITE AND PRETTY MUCH IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, JUST RAISED UP, UH, AS SO MANY HOUSES AFTER HARVEY, UH, HAVE BEEN IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, ON THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION? THE SALZMAN HOUSE.
THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THIS, UH, IS THE FIRST, UH, WILL BE THE FIRST DESIGNATED LANDMARK IN THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SEVERAL, OF A COUPLE OF THOUSAND HOUSES.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT TO SEE.
SECONDLY, I THINK THAT IT IS THE FIRST PROTECTED WOULD BE THE FIRST PROTECTED LANDMARK, UH, ELEVATED MID-CENTURY HOUSE IN THE CITY.
SO, UH, IT MAY BE PRECEDENT SETTING IN THAT REGARD AS WELL.
SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE IT TODAY.
THANK YOU, UH, AMANDA AND EVERY, OR ROBERT AND EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THE APPLICATION.
MR. CURRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY.
ANOTHER PROTECTED LANDMARK, THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, ITEM C, THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I'M MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
STAFF SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM C, AN APPLICATION FOR THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AT 46 0 2 ELI STREET.
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THE ST.MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH IS A TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING BUILT IN 1964.
HAS A FRONT GABLE LOW PITCH ROOF FACING ELI STREET.
THE FACADE IS ASYMMETRICAL AND HAS TWO BAYS.
THE CORNERSTONE IS LOCATED ON THE LOWER RIGHT SIDE OF THE FACADE.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE BRUNER EDITION WEST OF DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, AND ADJACENT TO THE RICE MILITARY EDITION, THE CHURCH WAS FOUNDED IN 1919 BY A GROUP OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN SETTLERS.
TWO OF THE SETTLERS, BROTHER JOHN DIXON AND BROTHER GEORGE TUBER FIELD WORKED TO ESTABLISH A HOME FOR THE CONGREGATION.
THE FIRST PASTOR WAS REVEREND RJ JORDAN AND SERVED AS MINISTER FOR 12 YEARS.
THE CHURCH IS AMONG THE LAST SURVIVING STRUCTURES FROM THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT SETTLED IN HOUSTON'S WEST END IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH MEETS CRITERIA ONE, FIVE AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA, ONE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AT 46 0 2.
ELI, WE HAVE MARGO WILLIAMS, GERALDINE GRANT, AND DAVID BUSH FROM PRESERVATION HOUSTON HERE PREPARED TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OF STAFF? OKAY.
THEN LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
UH, WE'LL START WITH, UH, MRS. GRANT.
THIS IS NOT, UH, GERALDINE GRANT, BUT THIS IS MARGO WILLIAMS. OH, MS. WILLIAMS. EXCELLENT.
MY NAME IS MARGO WILLIAMS AND I AM A MEMBER OF ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH HAS BEEN A MAIN STAKEHOLDER IN THE WEST END COMMUNITY FOR 103 YEARS.
WHILE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED WITH HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT WERE PART OF THE EARLY COMMUNITY BEING REPLACED BY NEWER HOMES AND BUSINESSES, ST.
MARY'S STILL REMAINS A MAJOR PART OF THE HISTORIC WEST END.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUED SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL SUPPORT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BY SUPPORTING FAMILIES IN TIMES OF BEREAVEMENT, PERFORMING WEDDINGS, BAPTISMS, SUNDAY MORNING SERVICES, AND OUR OUTREACH MINISTRY THAT IS MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE HOMELESS AND THE LESS FORTUNATE.
WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF ST.
MARY'S BEING DESIGNATED AS A PROTECTIVE LANDMARK.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
IS MS. GRANT AVAILABLE TO SPEAK MS. GRANT? OKAY.
UH, MR. BUSH, ARE YOU JOINING US TODAY? HELLO? HELLO.
HI, I'M DAVID BUSH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PRESERVATION HOUSTON.
UH, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROTECTED LANDMARK NOMINATION OF ST.
MARY'S MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH PRESERVATION.
HOUSTON PREPARED THE NOMINATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE CONGREGATION, AND, UH, WE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH MARGO WILLIAMS AND MS. GRANT, UH, ON THIS NOMINATION.
AS YOU HEARD, IT'S ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING BUILDINGS FROM THE HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT WAS LOCATED IN THE WEST AND, AND REMAINS AND IMPORTANT INSTITUTION IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THIS NOMINATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, MR. BUSCH.
AND THANKS TO PRESERVATION HOUSTON FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGING THESE FORWARD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, IN SUPPORT OR OTHERWISE FOR THE APPLICATION? OKAY.
THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER DEVO? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, UH, MARGOT AND, UH, DAVID BUSH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON BRINGING FORTH THIS, UM, THIS, UM, LANDMARK APPLICATION.
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THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS OF IMPORTANCE TO, UM, HOUSTON AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE AROUND THE EMANCIPATION TRAIL, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES REFLECT A HISTORY IN HOUSTON THAT MOST PEOPLE FORGET.THEY DRIVE PAST THESE AREAS AND SEE OLDER CHURCHES AND DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE COMMUNITY AROUND THESE PLACES.
AND SO THIS, UM, UH, BEING ABLE TO GET ST.
MARY'S LANDMARKED IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE THE FULL STORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HELPED ESTABLISH HOUSTON.
AND SO I AM EXCITED TO SEE THAT THIS HAS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EVERYBODY WHO, UM, HAS WORKED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMES BEFORE US.
I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND, AND THE PRESERVATION HOUSTON TEAM.
AND FOR THE CAPTIONING, THAT WAS CURRY AND DEBOSE.
WHO MADE THE MO? OH, COSGROVE.
WHO MADE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO, UH, THE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPLICATIONS.
MR. MCALLEN, THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THE PUBLIC.
I JUST, IN CASE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, THE ITEM WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT THAT WAS, UH, ON THE AGENDA BEFORE THIS ONE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, CHAIR AND THE PUBLIC, I'M ROMAN MCALLEN.
I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION.
UH, THAT WOULD BE ITEM E ONE AT 6 1 7 SILVER STREET AND ADDITION IN OLD SIX WARD FOR APPROVAL.
AN ADDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EATS EAST FOR APPROVAL.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS.
AND ITEM 5 15 43 COLUMBIA, AN ADDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 6 1 1 1 EAST 18TH STREET, THAT'S ONE 11 EAST 18TH STREET.
NEW CONSTRUCTION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM SEVEN IS THE SAME ADDRESS.
NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED GARAGE APARTMENT IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM E EIGHT IS 10 15 WEST GARDNER STREET IN NOR HILL.
UH, IT'S AN ADDITION AND SOME ALTERATIONS TO THE PORCH AND CHIMNEY FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM NINE IS 9 0 7 HENDERSON STREET ALTERATION IN OLD SIX WARD FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 10 2009 HARVARD STREET AND ADDITION, UH, TO THE LANDMARK FAYETTE C LOWRY HOUSE FOR APPROVAL OR FAYETTE C LOWRY HOUSE FOR APPROVAL.
AND THEN ITEM E 11 AT 5 2 1 9 SOUTH BRAYWOOD BOULEVARD.
ALTERATION OF THE LANDMARK MAX AND HELEN ROSENBAUM HOUSE FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM E 12 12 20 12 33 RUTLAND STREET AND ADDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND ITEM E 13 11 15 FUGATE AND ALTERATION IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
SO THE ITEMS THEN PROPOSED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION WOULD JUST HAVE BEEN ITEM TWO AT 2 1 1 9 CANE AND ITEM 14 AT 1754 NORTH BOULEVARD.
THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS YOUR APPROVAL OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THESE ITEMS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. MCALLEN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, UM, SUBMITTED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM ONE AND NINE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEMS 1 6 17 SILVER STREET AND ITEM 9 9 0 7 HENDERSON STREET IN THE OLD SIXTH WARD.
UH, SO THAT LEAVES US, UH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEM 3 1 21 EAST 18TH STREET.
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ITEM FOUR, ITEM FIVE, ITEM 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, AND 13.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, CONSIDER THESE ITEMS TOGETHER AND ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION CURRY.
SO MOVES COMMISSIONER CURRY MOVES SECOND TO BOTH.
DO WE NEED TO SEE IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE OH, YES.
WE DO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP FOR THESE ITEMS. AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE, UH, THE MOTION IS TO, UM, TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ARE THERE SPEAKERS WHO WOULD STILL LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 OR 13.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHICH ITEM YOU'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF.
I LIVE ON 1431 COLUMBIA STREET.
UH, NEXT DOOR TO SUBJECT, UM, 1429 COLUMBIA STREET.
I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHTS STILL OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS PROPOSED AT 29 FEET AND TWO INCHES.
IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET TALLER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY.
I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS PULL THIS HOLD, MOVE, WE'LL PULL THAT OFF THEN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM.
CAN WE CALL YOU BACK UP THEN? SURE.
UM, SO WE WILL PULL NUMBER FOUR, UH, E 4 14 29 COLUMBIA STREET.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS 3, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 OR 13? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER CURRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR MOTION TO CONSIDER TOGETHER AND ACCEPT STAFF'S NOMINATION? I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO, UH, REMOVE NUMBER FOUR FROM THE LIST OF RECOMMENDED, UH, APPROVALS AND APPROVALS WITH CONDITIONS.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE AGENDAS PRESENTED, MINUS ITEMS ONE, FOUR AND NINE.
AND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE'S SECOND.
SO, UH, WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER 1 6 17 SILVER STREET.
MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR IT, BUT THE PUBLIC CONSIDERATION OF, UH, PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY OF 2121 WAS WITHDRAWN.
FOR THE RECORD? YES, FOR THE RECORD, ITEM D ON THE AGENDA WAS WITHDRAWN.
WE HAVE ITEM E ONE AT 6 1 7 SILVER STREET IN OLD SIXTH WARD, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS BUILDING IS CONTAIN THE PROPERTY CONTAINS A ALMOST 1700 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT.
IT IS CONTRIBUTING CENTRAL HALL RESIDENCE CIRCA 1878.
THE ALTERATION IS TO ADD A PARTIAL, UH, JUST A PARTIAL ADDITION OF 529 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A SECOND STORY EDITION ABOVE PART OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS STRUCTURE, IT'S UNUSUAL.
IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES IN OLD SIX WARD THAT'S QUITE ELEVATED.
UH, SO IF YOU DO LOOK THROUGH YOUR PLANS, YOU'LL SEE A GROUND FOR PLAN THAT LOOKS A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
'CAUSE ALL YOU'RE SEEING ARE THE PIERS.
THIS IS THE STRUCTURE ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
IS THE FRONT ELEVATION EXISTING AT THE TOP AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM? I WANNA STRESS THE LINE WEIGHT IN THAT PROPOSED ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THE SHADING MIGHT LEND YOU TO THINK THAT'S A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT THAN IT IS MORE EASILY SEEN.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT IN THE ROOF PLAN, MAYBE ON ONE OF THE FUTURE PAGES HERE, LET ME GO FORWARD MYSELF.
WE, WE FOUND THAT THIS MEETS THE,
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UH, CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.IF WE'LL GO DOWN TO PAGE SEVEN OF NINE, UH, IN THE OFFICE.
AND, UH, THERE, THERE WE HAVE IT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU ARE SEEING, UM, AN EXIST, UH, AN EXISTING AND PROPOSED KIND OF A COMBINATION SITE AND ROOF PLAN.
AND, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SORT OF MAKE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IN THE BOTTOM IS THAT ADDITION.
THEN IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE, OR ACTUALLY TWO FORWARD.
THERE'S THE, UH, THIS WOULD BE ON THE LOWER PORTION OF YOUR SCREEN HERE IS THE SIDE STREET ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM THE SIDE STREET, WHICH FACES NORTH AND ANY OTHER DETAILS ARE IN THE DRAWING.
I'LL, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT.
MADAM CHAIR, UH, I PULLED THIS.
SO I HAVE, UH, UH, TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.
UM, THE QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS THAT THE, THIS, UM, ADDITION IS OVER A HISTORICAL, UH, OR EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE.
AND, UH, SO IS THIS, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE ALLOWED OR IS THIS A SHELL APPROVE BECAUSE IT IS OVER AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND I'M PRESUME THERE'S GONNA BE HISTORIC MATERIALS REMOVED TO ENABLE THE SECOND STORY TO BE BUILT? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
IS THIS, DO WE, IS THIS A SHELL APPROVE? THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THIS STRUCTURE IS 33 PLUS FEET.
AND I THINK THAT AS A TWO STORIES, EVEN AS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT EXCESSIVE IN OH SIX WARD.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING UP TO 33 FEET, UH, WELL AND GOOD.
UH, THAT SAID, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE, UH, CEILING HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR, PLEASE.
UH, I WANT MAKE COMMENT FIRST TO THAT THE DESIGNER IS, UH, ONLINE IF I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT LEMME START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION.
IS THIS A SHALL APPROVE ITEM? UM, AND I NEED TO ACTUALLY MYSELF PULL UP OUR SHALL APPROVES AND YOU'RE THINKING IT'S PROBABLY POSSIBLY ONE OF THE, UH, AND SO LET'S JUST GO THROUGH 'EM TOGETHER SINCE I'LL NEED TO.
THAT WOULD BE A, A, UH, PARTIAL SECOND STORY EDITION WOULD BE THAT CATEGORY.
IT'S CONSTRUCTED ON TOP OF A ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
CHECK DOES NOT EXTEND OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE'RE ALREADY THERE IN TROUBLE WITH NUMBER TWO BECAUSE IF WE LOOK DOWN ON THAT, PLEASE GO TO PAGE, UM, SEVEN OF NINE.
UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY PARTIALLY OVER A, WHAT WAS A DECK KIND OF ELEMENT.
UM, SO IN THE TOP OF THIS SCREEN, UH, UPPER LEFT OF THE ORIGINAL SITE THERE WHERE THAT HAND PRINT, JUST WHERE THE MOUSE JUST WAS, UH, WE'RE DEALING WITH SORT OF A DECK PORCH SITUATION THERE.
SO WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE US FROM THE SHALLOW PROOF RIGHT THERE AT THAT STEP.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, I APOLOGIZE TOO.
ONE MORE REASON YOU'RE SEEING IT.
I SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED OLD SIX WARD.
THIS COMMISSION MADE A DECISION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT OLD SIX WARD DOES NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR NOW.
WE MAY TAKE, THEY ARE SORT OF REQUESTED THAT WE DO AS A STAFF TAKE THOSE BACK AND WE MAY PASS THAT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WHEN THOSE COME UP.
BUT AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS NOT ACCORDING TO A A, A VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN HERE AT COMMISSION BEFORE I ARRIVED THREE YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS TO SAY NO, I THINK IT WAS A REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TO HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU.
BUT ON THE HEIGHT, UH, I'M GONNA ASK THE, THE WELL, OTHER THAN TO SAY THIS IS, THERE ARE, IN MY JUST GUESSING AT IT, THERE ARE PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR HOUSES, UH, WHICH COMMISSIONER STAVO WAS HERE IN, IN OH 6 4, 3 OR FOUR HOUSES THAT HAVE THIS, UH, APPROXIMATELY FIVE FOOT HIGH PIER.
SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, YOUR SECOND FLOOR IS STARTING OUT THREE TO FOUR FEET HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE, UH, ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S ALREADY THAT MUCH HIGHER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE ELEVATION.
SO THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT WHEN YOU ADD A SECOND FLOOR TO IT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ON PAGE NINE OF NINE, UH, OR THE ONE, THE OTHER ONE, YOU, YOU DON'T SEE AN EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH SECOND FLOOR IN THAT IMAGE.
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I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO SORT OF HAVE A FAUX GROUND PLANE, YOU JUST WOULDN'T BE THERE.YOU SEE, IT'S JUST STARTING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THE OH SIX WARD, THERE'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR THAT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND WITH THESE GRAND STAIRS, THEY LOOK LIKE GALVESTON STYLE HOUSES.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHALLENGE THE HEIGHT.
BUT IF THE DESIGNERS ON, AND, AND IF YOU WANNA WAIT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THE HEIGHT QUESTION FOR US, IT DIDN'T SEEM OUT OF, OUT OF SORTS.
IT DIDN'T SEEM OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CRITERIA.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED IS BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US ARE NOT CLEAR ON THE, ON THE, UH, UH, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S THAT NUMBER IN CASE THE ARCHITECT IS HERE.
UH, SO THE OTHER FIRST QUESTION IS THEN ARE WE THEN ALLOW, UH, IN THE OH SIX WARD, HIS GUIDELINES, ARE WE THEN ALLOWING A ADDITION OVER AN EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALLOWED.
UNLESS IT'S A SHALL APPROVED, THEN IT HAS TO MATCH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AS A RESTRICTION.
I I IS IT SPECIFIC YOU THINK TO OLD SIX WARD OR NO, BECAUSE YOU ARE REMOVING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE TO BUILD YOUR SECOND, NORMALLY ADDITIONS ARE IN THE BACK AS A NEW ADDITION, LIKE EXTENDING THE FOOTPRINT.
BUT THIS ADDITION IS COMPLETELY JUST OVER THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THEREFORE REMOVING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE.
ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT? OH, LET ME REITERATE IT, IT PER IT PART, THIS IS ONLY ABOUT HALF OVER.
THE ORIGINAL HALF OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS OVER, THE REST IS OVER A REAR DECK.
IF WE COULD CHECK THE, FOR THE, UH, LET ME SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANY PICTURES OF THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, IT'S COMMON.
I MEAN, WE, WE APPROVE ON A REGULAR BASIS, SECOND STORY ADDITIONS, NOT JUST SHALLOW PROOFS THAT ARE PARTIALLY OVER ONE STORY STRUCTURES.
LET ME SEE IF STAFF BEATS ME TO IT.
LEMME GO UP AND SAY WE GOT A PICTURE.
IF WE GO TO PAGE SIX OF NINE, THERE IT IS.
SO WE ARE PARTIALLY OVER THAT REAR THIS PROPOSED SECOND STORY ADDITION WOULD BE PARTIALLY OVER WHAT YOU SEE THERE AS AN EXISTING, UH, REAR DECK.
AND, UH, MR. NUCO, UH, CAN SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.
I, I, I DIDN'T DIG DEEPLY INTO PRECISELY HOW THAT'S SITTING OVER THAT STRUCTURE, JUST THAT IT GENERALLY APPEARED TO US AS STAFF TO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK THE ARCHITECT? WELL, I, I, I THOUGHT I DID, BUT THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE ARCHITECT.
MR. YOU'RE WITH US HERE TODAY.
I WAS WAITING ON Y'ALL TO CALL ME.
YEP, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ON ME.
CAN YOU ANSWER COMMISSIONER YAPP, UH, QUESTIONS PLEASE, SIR? YES.
UH, FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, WE START, UH, FINISH FLOOR STARTS AT SEVEN FEET OFF THE GROUND, UH, TO FINISH FLOOR.
AND SO, UH, THAT'S AS Y'ALL Y'ALL KNOW, VERY HIGH.
AND SO THEREFORE, THE, WE KEPT THE ROOF PITCH.
WE KEPT EVERYTHING DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE TO ADD, UH, TO THAT SECOND FLOOR BEDROOM.
UM, BUT STARTING AT SEVEN FEET IN THE AIR, IT KIND OF GIVES US A DISADVANTAGE WITH OUR OVERALL HEIGHT.
AND, AND PLUS I'LL SAY, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY OF HOUSTON, UH, RIDGE HEIGHTS FOR A SECOND FLOOR ARE 36 FEET.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE WELL UNDER THAT.
AND SO, UH, I I, I NEVER, I NEVER CONSIDERED THAT THE HEIGHT WAS A, A FACTOR.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ADDITION, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ADDING OVER TO WHAT WAS AT ONE TIME AN EXISTING PORCH.
AND THAT'S THE WHITE, UH, UH, FILLED IN SPOT THAT YOU SEE THERE.
ACTUALLY, THE CEILINGS IN THAT BATHROOM ARE VERY, VERY LOW AND NOT LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN WE'RE ADDING OVER THAT AS WELL AS A DECK THAT WAS BUILT SOMETIME, UH, UH, RE NOT RECENTLY, BUT PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 20 YEAR, LAST 20 YEARS.
SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BUILDING OVER THE EXISTING HOUSE, BUT A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE.
AND I DID NOT DO THAT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A FACTOR, BUT, UH, I COULD PROBABLY FIGURE IT UP HERE, MR.
IT'S, IT'S A SEVEN BY, OH GOD, LET'S SEE HERE.
IT'S ABOUT SEVEN, SIX BY, BY 16.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING A SEVEN, SIX BY 16 SPACE.
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THAT'S OVER THE EXISTING, UH, TIMES 16.SO MAYBE 120 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN ORDER FOR THE STAIRCASE TO GO UP TO THAT SECOND FLOOR IS THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT.
UH, UH, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW WAS THE CEILING HEIGHT OR THE, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ADDITION, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? NINE FOOT? YEAH, IT'S NINE FOOT.
THEN, UH, WHAT IS THE PITCH OF YOUR ROOF? CAN YOU NOT BRING THE PITCH OF YOUR ROOF DOWN TO, TO, TO BRING THE HEIGHT? OVERALL HEIGHT DOWN? ARE, ARE YOU MATCHING THE PITCH OF THE ROOF TO THE ORIGINAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING, SIR.
WE COULD DROP THAT PITCH TO THE ROOF, UH, DOWN QUITE A BIT TO LIKE A SIX AND 12.
IT'S A NINE AND 12 NOW, BUT THAT WAS JUST TO MATCH THE EXISTING PITCH.
UH, BUT WE COULD EASILY, UH, LOWER IT TO SIX AND 12 AND, AND NOT HAVE A LOOK AT A SCALE.
UH, WELL THAT WILL BE MY PREFERENCE.
UH, AND, AND THE, UH, THE THANKS FOR THE, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT EIGHT INTO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ITSELF.
UH, I WOULD, UH, IF YOU CAN CONVINCE YOUR, UH, YOUR HOMEOWNER TO BRING THE PITCH DOWN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
TYPICALLY, THE PITCH OF THE ADDITIONS ARE NORMALLY LOWER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THOSE ARE ONLY VERY HISTORICAL IN NATURE.
THOSE HOUSES, I SAY, IF WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT, WE'LL LOWER IT.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE, THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, MADAM CHAIR THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH A COMMENT TO, UH, LOWER THE PITCH OF THE ROOF FROM NINE 12 TO SIX 12.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE, UH, ALTERATION OF THE ROOF PITCH TO A, A SHALLOWER ROOF PITCH.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES.
OKAY, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM E 2 21 19 CANE STREET STREET.
ITEM E 2 2 1 1 9 K IN OLD SIX WARD.
ALSO, THIS IS A, UH, CONTRIBUTING BOX STYLE HOUSE CIRCA 1890 AND A GARAGE APARTMENT.
AND I'M GONNA LET IT JUMP ONTO THE SCREEN THERE AND LET ME, THE, THIS IS A, AN A SITUATION WHERE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A C OF A.
AND SO, WHAT, LET ME JUST WALK THROUGH YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS.
HERE'S AN INVENTORY PHOTO, UH, I BELIEVE AT THE TOP, OR AT LEAST AN OLDER PHOTO OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN A PHOTO AT THE BOTTOM IS PRIOR TO THE MOST RECENT WORK DONE ON THE HOUSE.
UH, THIS IS, THESE ARE SOME IMAGES FROM SUPPLIED BY THE OWNER WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK TO Y'ALL TODAY OF THE SIDING.
THE, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, THE OWNER RECL THIS HOUSE WITH WOOD WHEN HE ACQUIRED THE HOUSE.
SO THIS IS NEW WOOD, UM, THAT, UM, POSSIBLY WASN'T BACK PRIMED OR THE THINGS THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THE NEW WOOD PERFORM ANYWHERE NEAR AS WELL AS, IN FACT, IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO PERFORM AS WELL AS THE OLD WOOD.
THIS IS, AGAIN, A PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE OWNER, UH, PRIOR TO THE WORK, UH, WHICH BROUGHT HIM HERE TODAY.
SO THIS PROPERTY WAS 3 1 1 BECAUSE THE SIDING WAS ALL REMOVED.
UH, AND THEN, UH, LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE A LAYER OF, UH, SHEATHING, UH, OR, UH, MEMBRANE MATERIAL WAS INSTALLED.
AND THEN, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
TEXTURED, UH, TEXTURED CEMENTITIOUS BOARD WAS BEING INSTALLED WHEN THE WORK, UH, CAME TO A HALT.
THERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE, OF THE HOUSES.
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PLEASE.I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THESE.
THE OWNER WILL SPEAK TO THESE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE OWNER WANTS TO NOTE THAT WHEN HE, WHEN HE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS HE ACQUIRED IT.
SO THIS WOULD'VE DATED BACK TO APPROXIMATELY, I BELIEVE HE SAID 2005.
AND, UM, UH, WE'LL JUST KIND OF STEP THROUGH THESE.
THIS IS WHAT, WHAT HE AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THESE.
UH, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL, ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SATISFY THE CRITERIA.
AN ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION TO RE CLAD WITH SMOOTH CEMENT CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A FIVE INCH LAP.
UH, WE FEEL THAT GETS US, IS, GETS US BACK, UH, TO WHERE WE WERE.
I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THAT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU LIKE THAT.
WHATEVER YOU, WE, AS WE ALWAYS RESPECT YOUR DECISIONS.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I MAYBE DID NOT CATCH THIS CORRECTLY.
UH, THE OWNER BOUGHT THE HOUSE AS IS ALREADY WITH THE SI THE, THE, THE SIDING CLAT, OR HE ACTUALLY, WAS IT BE HE DID IT OR BEF SOMEBODY BEFORE HE HIM DID IT? I'M SORRY.
THE PICTURES ARE NOT IN A GOOD ORDER.
THE OWNER PURCHASED IT APPROXIMATELY 2005.
SO THOSE LAST PHOTOS THAT I SHARED AT THAT TIME, IT WAS PROBABLY RECL WITH ITS ORIGINAL SIDING, EITHER CYPRUS OR PINE WITH A FIVE INCH LAP BEVELED, UM, WOOD.
HE RE THIS OWNER RECL THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IN WOOD, UH, AFTER, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE OF THAT AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAD A, A, A C OF A ON IT.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.
I CAN REMEMBER THE DISTRICT CREATION, THAT WOOD THAT HE RE CLADDED IN IS WHAT FAILED, THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURES WITH THE HOLES IN IT.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER, HE'S BEEN THE OWNER AGAIN SINCE 2005.
SO THE WORK YOU SEE THAT'S ON ONGOING IN THOSE PICTURES WITH THE TYVEK IS UNDER THIS OWNER.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE WINDOWS? MM-HMM
DID I MISS SOMETHING ON THE WINDOWS? LET'S SEE.
WELL, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALL MAYBE LET VINYL WINDOWS AND WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED AND IF THEY WERE RECENT, THE OWNER GONNA TELL US MM-HMM
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LET THE OWNER SPEAK TO THAT.
AND I COULD YOU PLEASE IN, IN THE, IN THE OFFICE THERE DROPPED DOWN TO THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THIS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
LET'S JUST, YEAH, I SEE THE SIX OVER SIXES, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK THE OWNER TO SPEAK TO THAT.
I DIDN'T DO THAT BACK HISTORY TO WHEN THAT HAPPENED THERE.
IT, IT'S ALSO, UH, IN SOME OF THE PICTURES, THE, THE DEPTH OF THE WINDOWS IS CLEARLY MM-HMM
WELL, YOU CAN SEE HERE WE WERE LOOKING AT ORIGINAL, UH, OR A VERY OLD MATERIAL WHEN IT WAS ACQUIRED IN 2005.
YOU OFTEN SAW THAT BACK WHEN THEY WERE, UM, JUST KEEPING THE HOUSES AFLOAT BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, THE EIGHTIES.
CAN WE ASK YOU THAT QUESTION? CAN YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS JIMMY SHAW AND I'M THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I FIRST ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY, IT IS, UH, 2005.
IT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE AND, UH, UH, FOUNDATION ROOF AND EXTERIOR.
SO WE COMPLETELY REBUILD IT, UM, WITH, UH, NEW WOOD SIDING.
AND THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER WE ACQUIRED THE, THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THAT IN THE BAD SHAPE.
UM, SO WE, UM, DO THE REBUILDING.
UM, BUT AFTER 18 YEARS, THOSE, UH, WOOD SHINGLE DIDN'T LAST.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE WOOD SHINGLE IS, IT'S A VERY, UH, IMPROVED CONDITION.
THERE ARE HOLES AND THEN THERE ARE PENETRATION OF THE MOISTURE AND THE WATER, UH, ACTUALLY DAMAGED THE, UH, STRUCTURE
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OF INSIDE THE HOUSE.SO, UM, I WAS, UH, TALKING, UH, TO A CONTRACTOR TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
SO HE RECOMMEND TO DO THE CEMENT BOARD.
UM, SO HE, HE, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD DO THE CEMENT BOARD AND IT WOULD BE LOOK JUST LIKE, UM, YOUR RENOVATION THAT YOU DID IN 2002, 2005.
NOW THE 2005 REBUILDING, IT'S GO BY THE BOOK.
UH, WE HAVE PERMIT AND IT'S A COMPLETE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, INCLUDING THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THAT WINDOW ISSUE, IT'S ALREADY GRANDFATHERING AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, 2005 THAT WHEN WE BUILT THAT REBUILD THE HOUSE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE REALLY ISSUE IS THE SIDING.
UM, SO I WANT TO DO SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT.
YOU KNOW, THE CEMENT BOY IS MUCH BETTER SOLUTION THAN THE, THAN THE WOOD, UH, SIGHTING.
SO, UH, THE CONTRACTOR SAYS, OH, I HAD DONE THIS A HUNDRED TIMES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, NON STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GET PERMIT OR, YOU KNOW, HE, HE, HE MAKE A SALES SPEECH TO ME AND I TOOK IT, UH, LATER ON I FIND OUT I WAS WRONG.
HE WAS WRONG, I WAS WRONG TOO.
I MEAN, KNOW, WE, WE DO NEED TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, UH, THE HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION, UH, TO HAVE THIS APPROVED.
BUT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS ALREADY DONE HALFWAY.
UH, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, UH, SIDING OF EMBO IS ALREADY COMPLETE IN THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ALSO THE, UH, THE ALLEYWAY OF THE HOUSE.
NOW, THESE TWO SIDES ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET SIDES.
UM, SO MY REQUEST IS THAT, UM, I REQUESTING TO CONTINUE TO FINISH THIS SIDING, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE DESIGN AND THE MATERIAL THAT WE USE MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM WOOD, BUT IT'S LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE APPEARANCE THAT I HAVE BEFORE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY ANY CHANGES IN THAT.
BUT, UH, IF THAT REQUEST IS DENIED, UM, I, I PROPOSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT TO LET ME KEEP THE TWO SIDES THAT ALREADY COMPLETED, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
BUT ON THE STREET SIDE, ON THE KING STREET AND THE HEM HILL STREET, THE TWO SIDES IS VISIBLE.
AND I WILL GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER THE, UH, CITY REQUIREMENTS.
IF THEY REQUIRE TO USE A SMOOTH BALL CEMENT, I WILL USE THAT, UH, THAT AS A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A COMPROMISE AND, AND TO, BECAUSE I ALREADY THINKING A LOT OF MONEY TO FINISH THE HALFWAY.
SO, UH, IF, UH, SOCI, I MEAN THE, THE COMMITTEE IS CONCERNING THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE.
WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL LOOK, AND WE WILL GO ALONG WITH THE TWO STREET SIDE AND WE WILL USE THE SMOOTH, UH, MEMO TO COMPLETE THE JOB TIME.
AND, UM, UM, I HAVE BEEN A VERY GOOD, UH, MEMBER FOR THE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF THE HOMEOWNER FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR STAFF OR THE HOMEOWNER, BUT I SAW A PICTURE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS, I THINK THE 2005 PHOTOGRAPH AND I, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN MY PACKET.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS HOMEOWNER SUPPLIED.
NO, THE ONE FROM 2005 WHEN HE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROJECT OVER THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, SIR, I SEE, UM, THREE FULL-SIZE WINDOWS, OR MAYBE THERE'S ONE MORE, MAYBE THERE'S FOUR FULL-SIZE WINDOWS.
BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS NEW PICTURE WITH THE HARDY PLANK, I SEE LIKE FOUR ON PAGE 12 OF OUR PACKET, THERE'S THREE FULL-SIZE WINDOWS AND THEN SMALLER WINDOWS AT THE TOP.
SO CLEARLY THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT SINCE 2005.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? NO, IT'S NOT.
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THE REBUILDING OF THIS, UH, IT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY.SO WHEN WE FINISHED THE, THE REBUILDING THE VINYL, THE WHAT? THE VINYL WINDOW ALREADY IN PLACE DURING THAT PROCESS.
AND THAT, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THE ONLY THING WE DO IS THE, THE SIDING.
SO THE EVERYTHING, THE HOUSE THAT IT STANDS, IT STATES THE SAME, THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE IN QUESTION IS JUST THE CI.
ROMAN, WOULD HE HAVE HAD TO, HAD A HISTORICAL PERMIT IN 2005? I I HOW DO YOU PUT IN VINYL WINDOWS IN THE SIX WARD? 2005 THERE.
OUR RECORDS SEEM TO INDICATE HERE AT THE DESK A LITTLE QUICK DESK RESEARCH.
WE THINK THE DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 98, BUT THE, UH, OUR DIGITAL FILES DO NOT GO BACK, UH, ANYWHERE NEAR 2005 OR THE TIME HE ACQUIRED.
SO I, I REALLY DON'T, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE? I, I HAVE A CERTIFICATE.
YOU, YOU, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO SEE THAT.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR MY OWN SURVEY.
BUT I THOUGHT BEFORE 2010 WHEN THEY CHANGED THE RULES, THERE WAS A 90 DAY WAIVER IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I WOULD SEE THIS IS EVEN IF IT WAS DENIED IN 2005, HE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT IN 90 DAYS.
SO CAN YOU EDUCATE ME A BIT ON THIS SINCE I'M RELATIVELY NEW? SO WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WAS, HAD THE 90 DAY MORATORIUM AND THEN ALL, EVERYTHING GOES OUT THE WINDOW.
SO PRIOR TO 2010, REGARDLESS OF HOW THE COMMISSION RULED ON SOMETHING, THERE WAS A 90 DAY WAIVER BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE, WHICH JUST ALLOWED YOU TO PROCEED AS YOU WISHED IN 90 DAYS, INCLUDING TEARING DOWN A HOUSE.
SO BE GLAD YOU WEREN'T HERE IN TWO PRIOR TO 2010.
UM, SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS, IS A REQUEST FOR SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
ARE THERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UH, OR COMMENTARY TOWARDS THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
HAS, HAS ANYONE BEEN TO THE HOUSE AND MEASURED THE LAP ON THE SIDING? 'CAUSE FOR ME IT LOOKS NARROWER THAN FIVE INCHES PER, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR RECOMMEND, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO REPLACE WITH HARD, SMOOTH AT FIVE INCH.
I'M ASKING YOU WHAT YOU YEAH, SURE.
I HAVE BEEN THE, BEEN MY VAN, I HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE HOUSE AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN TORN OFF, SO WE NEVER GOT TO SEE IT.
YOU, YOU NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ORIGINALLY SURE.
YOU, YOU DON'T, UH, SO ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL FIVE INCH LAP THAT WAS THERE WAS, THAT'D BE, I, I'D PUT A LITTLE, I THAT'S, I'M TALKING ABOUT NINE BE THE PRE 2005, 2000, 2005 WOULD BEEN FIVE INCHES.
I, I, THAT'S WHY I JUST, I MEASURED THE CYPRESS WE HAVE AROUND THE OFFICE, A FEW OLD PIECES AND I KIND OF DOUBLE CHECKED MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
AND THAT'S FIVE INCHES IS THE, IS THE NORM THAT WE NORMALLY, UH, DEAL WITH THERE.
AND THEN, AND I'M SORRY, THEN THE WORK THAT HE DOES LOOKS LIKE, AGAIN, ABOUT A FIVE INCH, RIGHT.
AND THEN THIS, I DID NOT VISIT THE HOME.
IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT SIX TO ME.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A CA DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A COR? CORRECT.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE ALL THE, UH, UH, TEXTURED SIDING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
REMOVE ALL THE SIDING AND REPLACE WITH, UH, FIVE INCH SMOOTH, HARDY PLATE.
AND, BUT THE OWNER IS ASKING FOR TWO WALLS, THE NON-VISIBLE ONE TO BE KEPT AS IS.
AND THEN THE TWO, ONE, THE TWO VISIBLE WALLS TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
COURSE HE HAD MULTIPLE RED TAGS ON HIS HOUSE.
DIDN'T COME TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION WHEN HE COULD HAVE, AND SO I'M, I'M HAVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
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QUESTION FOR, I GUESS FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS.SO THAT MEANS WE ARE GIVING A PASS ON THE WINDOWS BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE ALL VINYL WINDOWS RIGHT NOW.
THE WINDOWS WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE ALREADY DONE.
THEY WEREN'T PART OF THIS SCOPE OF WORK.
SO THEY ARE, AS THE APPLICANT STATED, GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. SHAW.
UM, WE'LL PROCEED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE WITH THE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING.
CAN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? UH, I, I THINK WE'RE, THE DISCUSSION IS OVER AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
UH, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF TO FILE, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO E 4 14 29 COLUMBIA STREET,
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LENAL.
I SUBMIT ITEM E FOUR AT 1429 COLUMBIA STREET TO HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST.
THIS, UH, ITEM WAS DEFERRED FROM THE SEPTEMBER COMMISSION.
THIS WILL BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TOTALING 2,624 SQUARE FEET.
ITS RIDGE HEIGHT HAS BEEN LOWERED TO 29 FEET TWO INCHES WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES.
UH, THE ROOF PITCH HAS BEEN LOWER TO A SEVEN OVER 12 ON THE MAIN ROOF, AND A SIX OVER 12 ROOF PITCH ON REAR ROOF SEGMENTS.
IT WILL USE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH A FIVE AND A HALF INCH REVEAL AND WOOD INCIDENT RECESS, ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG GEL WIND WOOD WINDOWS.
AT THIS TIME, STAFF HAS RECEIVED A PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THE COA APPLICATION.
IT IS AVAILABLE IN THE APPLICATION FILE ON PRESERVATION TRACKER CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE AGENT, SAM NUCO, IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I, MYSELF, AND MY AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP IN ADDITION TO MR. NUAS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE SPEAKERS? OKAY.
I WASN'T HERE IN SEPTEMBER, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER REASONS FOR THE DEFERRAL FROM SEPTEMBER BESIDES THE OVERALL HEIGHT? THE RIDGE HEIGHT, THE FOUNDATION.
THE FOUNDATION, IF THERE WAS, WAS LIKE A FOOT OFF THE GROUND.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO MAKE IT HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF BEING RAISED, WHICH IS PART OF, I BELIEVE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE HEIGHTS.
WELL, I WILL ADD TO THAT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL IS THAT THERE IS ALSO A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
'CAUSE THERE IS A FRONT BUILDING LINE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, LET'S OPEN IT UP AND HERE.
MR. NUKA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO LAST IF POSSIBLE.
IS THERE AN ISSUE? WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UH, MR. LARSON, CAN WE ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP PLEASE? UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, LIKE I STATED EARLIER, MY NAME IS LARSEN AND I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO SUBJECT, UH, PROPERTY.
UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS AT 29 FEET AND TWO INCHES.
IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET TALLER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALSO A TWO STORY BUILDING.
UM, AND ACCORDING TO THE, THE APPROVAL GUIDELINES, A TYPICAL RIDGE HEIGHT IN THE HEIGHTS IS 27 FEET.
I NOTICED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10 FEET HEIGHT CEILINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S ABOUT EIGHT TO NINE FEET ON OUR BLOCK.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE REDUCED SO WE CAN BRING DOWN THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE DOWN TO A CERTAIN MASS FIT BETTER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SECOND, UH, THE SKIRT ON THE HOUSE LOOKED LIKE IT'S ALL SOLID BRICK, WHICH IS NOT, I BELIEVE, TYPICAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO P AND BEAM WITH LADDER OR WHATEVER IS TYPICALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, MR. ALBAN.
AND I THINK THERE WERE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER CONSIDERATIONS OF THE PRE FROM THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
UM, UH, SAM NUKA CREOLE DESIGN, UH, LAST MONTH WHEN WE WENT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, COMMISSION, UM, MR. WILLIAMSON AND I BELIEVE THIS NEIGHBOR HERE CAME FORWARD AND SAID THAT, UH, THERE WERE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE BLOCK AND THAT WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND, AND, UH, I WAS A LITTLE BIT PUZZLED BY THAT.
AND SO WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE, THEIR, THEIR SO-CALLED DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS ACTUALLY SAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A 36 FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT AND WE HAVE A 29 FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT.
THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS ALSO SAY THAT WE CAN BE THREE FOOT FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE FIVE FOOT BECAUSE IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE DEED RESTRICTIONS SAY THAT WE CAN BE 15 FRONT FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY AT 20 BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK, AT SOME POINT, THE NEIGHBORS PUT A FRONT SETBACK RESTRICTION ON THERE, WHICH I WAS NOT AWARE OF.
SO WE MOVED IT BACK TO 20 FEET.
SO WE MORE THAN SATISFY THEIR SO-CALLED DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND WE ALSO WORKED, UH, FOR THREE MONTHS NOW, FOUR MONTHS WITH JASON, WHO WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND VERY DILIGENT AT CHECKING MY DRAWINGS TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE RIGHT INSETS AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING DONE.
I'M NOT PLEASED WITH HAVING TO LOWER THE ROOF.
I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO HAVE A, A STEEPER ROOF.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A PRETTIER HOUSE.
BUT, UH, IN ORDER TO GET UNDER THE 30 FEET, I HAD TO DO IT.
AND I'M, UH, REMEMBER THEY HAVE A 36 FOOT RIDGE HEIGHT IS THEIR RIDGE HEIGHT, UH, FOR THE, THEIR SO-CALLED DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR THE BLOCK AND THREE FOOT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I COULD BE MUCH TALLER THAN WHAT I AM.
I MET THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS AND I'VE MET HISTORICALS, UH, NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS MEETINGS.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULD, I FELT LIKE WE'D BE OKAY TODAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR SAM OF OUR SPEAKERS.
UH, SAM, UH, IF, IF I LOOK AT THE PICTURE, UH, ON PAGE 19 OF 20, UM, YOU HAD THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 8TH DEFERRED AND THEN BO AT THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE THE OCTOBER 20TH ONE, UH, ON THE, UH, ARE YOU WITH ME, SAM, ON THE PAGE NINE 19 OF 20? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE FULL DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF ME, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO ON THE SEPTEMBER 8TH, DRAWING FROM, FROM GRADE TO THE, UH, RIDGE, YOU HAD 30 FEET FIVE INCHES.
SO AS OF TODAY, THE OCTOBER 20TH ONE FROM GRADE TO THE SAME RICH HEIGHT, WHAT IS THAT HEIGHT? IT'S 29 2 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
LEMME, 'CAUSE I, I CANNOT SEE THAT ENTIRE MEASUREMENT.
IT'S NOT LISTED ON, IT'S ON YOUR DRAWING.
AND THE WAY WE GOT THERE IS BY LOWERING THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, UH, CEILING HEIGHTS FROM NINE FOOT TO EIGHT FOOT TO, TO BRING THE OVERALL RIDGE DOWN.
AND YOU ALSO BROUGHT THE RIDGE OF THE ROOF DOWN RIGHT? FROM EIGHT 12 TO TO SEVEN 12.
SO THE TOTAL HEIGHT IS STILL UNDER 30 FEET? YES, SIR.
AND UNDER 36 FEET, WHICH 13 RESTRICTIONS MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SPEAKER THAT IS SIGNED BY CHAT.
MARK WILLIAMSON WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THIS ITEM.
UH, MARK WILLIAMSON? YES, I I DO AGREE THAT, UH, SAM'S REVISED, UH, DESIGN DOES MEET OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THE SPECIFIC DEED RESTRICTION THAT I WAS, I WAS MENTIONING LAST TIME WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION AND NOT ANY OF THE SET SIDE SETBACKS NOR THE HEIGHT.
BUT YES, THANK YOU SAM FOR, UH, INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION TO MEET OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UH, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN THEM OR NOT, I APPRECIATE YOU MEETING THEM.
UH, UH, I, MY PERSONAL FEELINGS, UH, ASIDE, YOU MET OUR DUE
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RESTRICTIONS.THANK YOU, MR. UH, THAT'S ALL.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSIONERS? I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL? UH, CAN I HAVE A, UH, ADDRESS THE SECOND QUESTION, WHICH WAS TO LA THE FOUNDATION? DO COMMISSIONERS HAS ANY COMMENT ON THAT AS OPPOSED TO BRICKS WITH SMALL OPENING? I BELIEVE IT'S A SLAB.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE FOUND? IS IT JUST LIKE A RAISED CONCRETE SLAB FOUNDATION? DO WE KNOW? 'CAUSE IT IS, BUT HE, I THINK THE, UM, SO WOULD JUST BE STICKING LAB, THE, THE CONCRETE TO LOOK LIKE A LATTICE AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING BRICKED.
I THINK IN BETWEEN PIERS IS WHAT I WAS, I WAS NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT WOULD MAKE HIM PUT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE HAS DEAD IS CAN CONTINUOUS FORWARD HEIGHTS.
BUT IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE HEIGHTS, WE CAN SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOUNDATIONS THERE.
AND HE'S MET THE DEEP RESTRICTIONS OF THE STREET.
IF I MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONER YAP.
WE, UH, MET AND WE PUT IN VENT HOLES ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ON THE OCTOBER 20TH, UH, FRONT ELEVATION.
AND I, I THINK FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY, UH, THIS IS A, A SLAP NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, I'M NOT TOO, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
JUST THAT SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP.
SO HAVE WE GIVEN IT DUE CONSIDERATION IS MY QUESTION? YEAH.
WE'RE WE'RE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES AND ENFORCING THE GUIDELINES, NOT COMMENTS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP BY PEOPLE THAT, AND SO I WOULD, I'M JUST ENCOURAGED US TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES WHICH THIS PROJECT MEETS AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM E 9 9 0 7 HENDERSON STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF PERSON JASON LIAL.
I SUBMIT ITEM E NINE AT 9 0 7 HENDERSON STREET OLD SIX BOARD.
APPLICANTS PROPOSED TO INSTALL WOOD SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR AS ORIGINAL SIDING WAS REMOVED.
APPLICANTS ALSO PROPOSED TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REPLACING A SET OF DOUBLE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND REPLACING ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION NEAR THE FRONT WITH INSET AND RECESSED DOUBLE HUNG ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS.
THEY ALSO PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR AND RESTORE FRONT PORCH WITH APPROPRIATE PORCH COLUMNS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE OWNER DAVID WARD, AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
MATT CALL IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I MYSELF AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, MR. APP, YOU PULLED THIS ONE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OFF? YEAH.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, BASED ON THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, SUMMARY PAGE, THERE WERE NUMEROUS COAS AND THEN, UH, POSSIBLY NUMEROUS COORS AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED THIS PULLED OUT SO THEN SOMEBODY CAN WALK ME THROUGH THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS WHAT HAPPENED AND HAVE, I GUESS, STAFF HAS REVIEWED NOW EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS KOSHER AND YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT.
AND, UH, ROMAN AND I DID DO A SITE VISIT SEPTEMBER 23RD.
AND WHAT WE SAW IS IT DOES NEED A LOT OF LOVE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT COME BACK.
AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, THERE WAS AN APPROVAL ON MARCH 21ST, 2019, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO OCTOBER 20TH, 2016 WITH A PARTIAL APPROVAL GOES EVEN FURTHER BACK TO A JUNE 30TH, 2015 WITH AN APPROVAL AND AS FAR BACK AS JUNE 19TH, 2014 WITH AN APPROVAL.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED WITH YOUR LATEST OCTOBER 20TH, 2022? I DID NOT PUT THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THESE STAFF REPORTS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THE APPROVALS OF THOSE VARIOUS STAGES ARE NOW PART OF YOUR APPROVAL AS WELL.
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APPROVAL IS ONLY WHAT THEY PROPOSED, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, AND DURING THE CONVERSATION WITH DAVID WARD, THEY WILL, UH, GO IN WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2019, BUT NOT THE YEARS PREVIOUS.THE YEARS PREVIOUS WAS THEY'VE RIPPED OFF THE SIDING WITHOUT THE PERMIT AND THEY GOT A CUR, BUT THEY NEVER PUT THE SIDING BACK ON.
SO IT STILL STANDS WITH NO SIDING WITH JUST TIEBACK WRAPPED AROUND IT FOR YEARS, IT HAS BEEN FOR THIS HOUSE MANY TIMES.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IN 2019 WAS UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP.
I HAVE AMANDA MCGOWAN WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER IN 2019.
DAVID WARD IS THE CURRENT CURRENT OWNER GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE COR WAS IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS.
THEY, AS I PUT, THEY ARE GOING TO, UH, PUT IN A SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE SAID AS A COMMISSION IN 2016.
I SEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROPOSE WITH WHAT LAPSE SIDING, BUT NOT SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS.
I GUESS I'M MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT THE COR WAS FOR.
IT WAS DENIAL OF THE SITING REMOVAL STAFF RECOMMENDS A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION FOR THE SIGHTING REMOVAL TO REPLACE WITH WOOD LAPS SITING TO MATCH ORIGINAL.
SO WHAT ABOUT 2019? COR OR COA? THE 2019 WAS NOT A COR.
THIS WAS TO DO A SECOND STORY ADDITION, ADOPT THE REAR PORTION OF A CONTRIBUTING OF THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSE.
I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL THEN.
HOW LONG DOES THE COR STAY IN PLACE? I MEAN, IF WE'VE ALREADY MADE ACTION ON WHAT, WHAT THE REMEDY FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL SIDING WAS.
BUT THE COR FOLLOWS THE HOUSE OR FOLLOWS OWNER? YEAH, THE, I I BELIEVE OUR ACTIONS FOLLOW ON THE HOUSE, NOT THE, NOT THE OWNERSHIP.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT ON THAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OWNER KNEW.
AND HOW Y'ALL WANT TO ADDRESS IT AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS 70 YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO.
I KNOW
WE, WE, THE WORD, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC WORDING IN THE ORDINANCE OFFHAND, BUT THE C OF R IS MEANT TO REPLACE THE C OF A IN EFFECT, EXCEPT YOU DON'T GET YOUR DISCOUNT ON YOUR PERMIT.
AND THEN C OF AS ARE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS ONLY IF, UNLESS YOU TAKE ACTION.
SO I WOULD THINK YOU HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE ISSUE IF IT WAS 2019 ON THE, IS THAT JASON, YOU SAID 2019, WHAT WAS EVER WAS LAST? SO THAT YOU SEE TWO YEARS IS THE STATUTE.
THAT WAS MARCH, I'M SORRY, MARCH, 2019.
SO WE'VE, WE COULD OCCASIONALLY GET A CALL IN THE OFFICE, UH, FOR A PERMIT RELEASE AND SOMEONE HAS EXCEEDED THE TWO YEARS, AND IF THEY CAN'T SHOW ANY OTHER WAY THAT THEY'VE MOVED FORWARD ON THAT C OF A, THEN WE REQUIRE THAT THEY REAPPLY FOR A C OF A.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
AND I DO ALSO JUST WANNA COMMENT ON THE, NOT THAT THIS MAY COME INTO THE, TO YOUR THOUGHTS REGARDING SIDING AND REPLACEMENT.
LET ME GET THE PAGE NUMBER, UH, PAGE, UH, IF WE COULD GO TO PAGE, PAGE NINE OF 23.
I JUST WANNA COMMENT ON THE, THE, THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOUSE.
THIS HOUSE IS TODAY LOOKS SORT OF LIKE A QUEEN IN WITH THE, WITH THE PITCHED ROOF AND THE, UH, THE SIDING IN THE GABLE, THE SHINGLES IN THE GABLE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WALL, AND WHEN WE VISITED THIS SITE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE HOMES WHERE I, ONE TIME, UH, COMMISSIONER HICK ASKED ME WHY DO I CALL, UH, SOME SIDING? FAE BORDEN BATTEN.
AND HE SAID, WHY ARE YOU CALLING ME FORD FOOT FOE BOARD AND BATTEN, BECAUSE YOU SEE THE HORIZONTAL LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A ONE BY 10 ON EITHER SIDE IN THE LOWER IMAGE THERE.
AND THEN THE LIGHT IS THE LIGHT PASSING THROUGH.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE HOMES THAT DATES TO LIKE 19 18 80, 18 90, UM, MAYBE 1900 WHERE THERE
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WAS NO FRAMING THE HORIZONTAL ONE BY TWELVES WITH THE LITTLE ON THE EXTERIOR YOU WOULD'VE HAD A, UM, A ONE BY TWO OR SOMETHING COVERING THAT GAP THAT ACTUALLY HELD THE ROOF OF THE STRUCTURE UP.THIS, THIS WINDOW, WHICH IS SORT OF PUT IN HERE, WAS PUT IN LATER THIS, THE WINDOW IN THAT TRIM.
AND IF WE GO TO AN IMAGE AND YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE, UM, 12 OF 23 WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FRONT FACING AREA THAT FACES THE PORCH.
YOU SEE, THEY PUT THOSE WINDOWS IN LIKE YOU WOULD ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT THE LOAD OF THE ROOF IS PUSHING DOWN ON THE WALLS, WHICH WERE, THEY HAVE NO STUDS IN THEM.
IT'S JUST ONE BY HORIZONTAL FLAT MEMBERS.
IT IS SHEAR IS IS IS SHEARING APART THE INTERIOR SILL OF THAT WINDOW.
WE WERE IN THE STRUCTURE BEFORE I LOOKED AT THE GUYS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GOING OUTSIDE NOW.
UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WHOLE FRONT PIECE OF THAT HOUSE.
AND I SAID, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A HYBRID, HYBRID SORT OF FRAMING HERE.
I'M, THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS FORM OF CONSTRUCTION WAS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS BEFORE I WENT TO ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL.
AND I HAD NOT EVER SEEN IT ALL BEFORE, BUT NO, NO, NO FRAMING, NO TWO BY MEMBERS KEPT THIS HOUSE UP ORIGINALLY.
AND THEN IT WAS EXPANDED FROM PROBABLY JUST ONE ROOM TO WHEN YOU FACE THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE FRONT FACING GABLE AND ALL THAT.
THAT WAS ADDED LATER AND GIVE IT THAT QUEEN QUEEN ANALYTICS.
SO IT DID HAVE, IN A WAY, I GUESS ALL THAT TO SAY KIND OF TWO FORMS OF SIDING IN ITS HISTORY.
NOT THAT THAT MAKES A CEMENT CEMENTITIOUS PROPOSAL.
I MEAN WITH, UM, UM, TOTALLY FINE WITH WHATEVER.
AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT I THINK WOULD RECEIVE WELL, WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND FOR CLADDING THE STRUCTURE IN AFTER IT'S STABILIZED.
DO WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE OWNER? I, I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR ROMAN.
SO YOU HAVE VISITED THIS, UH, AND REALIZED THAT THE VERTICAL, THE ONE, THE VERTICAL ONE BY 12 WAS ACTUALLY HOLDING UP THE, UH, THE CEILING JOS BASICALLY.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, HAVE YOU INVITED, UH, PETE STOCKTON TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT? DO WE WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT, YOU WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS APPROVED BY US OR, OR THE STRUCTURE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT NOW AND, AND REINFORCE THIS STRUCTURE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I THINK THEY'LL GO UP THROUGH INSPECTION AND FIGURE OUT, I, WHEN I, I DID EXCHANGE A TEXT WITH PETE OVER THIS BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO DATE THE HOUSE AND I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY TEXT AND I COULDN'T FIND IT.
HE KNEW THESE, THIS STYLE HOME DID EXIST IN OLD SIX WARD.
UM, SO HE JUST WAS AWARE OF THAT.
BUT I THINK AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA FRAME THAT, ESPECIALLY THIS ROOM, IT ACTUALLY, THE PROBLEM ONLY OCCURS IN THIS ROOM, UH, WHICH IS KINDA THE FRONT ROOM RIGHT THERE WHERE THE PORCH IS.
THE REST OF THE HOME HAS SHIPLAP AND, AND THIS WALL DIDN'T HAVE SHIPLAP.
THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE WALL.
IT WAS, IT'S A VERY, I MEAN I'VE ONLY SEEN IT IN REALLY, UH, KIND OF THE LESSER DEVELOPED, IF YOU WILL, AREAS OF, OF, OF THE OLDER PARTS OF A CITY.
BUT OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY WE, PEOPLE WERE DOING IT IN HOUSTON TOO.
WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING A, THE MOMENT TO SPEAK WITH ME ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, I, I WENT TO LOOK AT THIS ORIGINALLY AND UH, IT'S IN A REALLY POOR STATE OF CONDITION AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND START OVER.
BUT I KIND OF GREW UP IN A HOUSE LIKE THIS AND I I REALLY WANTED TO TRY IT TO SEE IF WE COULDN'T FIX IT.
SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE IS, UH, I MEAN I I LOVE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD ABOUT THIS.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT, UH, I'M, I'M PRETTY OPEN TO, UH, TO SCRUTINY AS LONG AS IT'S NOT DANGEROUS BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF HOUSTON MISTAKENLY, UH, PUT THIS ON THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE LIST.
UM, AND WE HAVE TRIED TO BRACE IT UP AND PROP IT UP AND, AND TRY TO PRESERVE IT TILL WE GET AN ANSWER.
SO, UH, WE ARE IN, IN THAT PRESERVATION STAGE.
UM, SO, BUT I THINK THE HOUSE HAS GOT A LOT OF INTEGRITY.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, DO DO THE BEST WE CAN TRY TO, TO TURN, UH, LIMITS INTO LEMONADE.
SO, UM, PLEASE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTION? IS THERE SHEATHING ON THE HOUSE NOW ON THE EXTERIOR? NO.
SOMEBODY STRIPPED MOST ALL OF THAT OFF THERE IS, THERE IS A, UH, A, A VAPOR
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BARRIER AND THERE'S A, A KIND OF A TYVEK TYPE MATERIAL THAT IS WRAPPED AROUND THE HOUSE IS PART OF THE PLAN TO PUT SHEATHING ON.'CAUSE IF YOU PUT HARDY PLANK COVER STUDS, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE SLOWING.
NOW WE WE'RE TRYING TO TRUE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SOME OF, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE, UH, FOUNDATION, THE BLOCKS HAD HAD, UH, HAD SO MUCH STRESS ON THEM, UH, THAT THEY HAD SPLIT AND THEY WERE FRACTURED.
THERE WAS ONLY A LITTLE PIECE OF IT WAS HOLDING THAT, THAT UP.
AND SO I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A, A VERY DANGEROUS CIRCUMSTANCE.
WE HAVE GONE IN AND TRIED TO ADD SOME PI TO IT JUST TO SUPPORT THE HOUSE UNTIL WE CAN GET SOMETHING, UH, MORE FIRM ABOUT THE, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT YOU, YOU REALLY NEED TO PUT PLYWOOD OR OSB SHEATHING ON THE STRUCTURE MM-HMM
YOU CAN'T JUST NAIL HARDY PLANK TO WOOD STUFF.
WE WILL, WE WILL, WE WILL DO THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ORIGINALLY JUST WHAT HAD WOOD SIDING NAILED TO THE STUDS OR, OR SHIPLAP OF SOME SORT.
WHATEVER THEY WERE USING THAT PERIOD.
THIS WOULD'VE BEEN WOOD SIDING NAILED TO THE STUDS.
SO, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE'VE, THE FRONT HOUSE HAS BOWED OUT PROBABLY A FOOT AND A HALF, AND IT'S PUT SOME MUCH STRESS ON THOSE TWO FRONT, THE TWO LARGE FRONT WINDOWS.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SALVAGED.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE WARPED SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH TRYING TO TRUE THOSE UP, BUT JUST NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR THAT.
THE, UM, THE OTHER THING, UM, IS, IS THAT THE, THE FRONT ROOF, UH, ON THE, THAT WAS COVERED, THE PORCH FELL DOWN AND COLLAPSED.
AND SO, UH, THAT WAS HAULED OFF MAYBE SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.
UM, SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THAT AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA JUST DO IT THE WAY IT WAS AND THEN MAYBE PUT, UH, UH, THE, THE FRONT PORCH PORCH POSTS AND, UH, RAILING AROUND IT, UH, TO LOOK LIKE IT DID ORIGINALLY.
MR. WARD, UH, I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UH, SO IN, IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, YOU WILL BE PLANNING TO REMOVE ALL THIS TYVEK RIGHT NOW AND THEN PUT YES.
OSB UH, UH, IN PLACE OF IT, RIGHT? IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OR NO? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY, WE'RE GONNA STRIP THAT OFF, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PROP IT UP REALLY, REALLY WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE UNTIL IT'S BRACED.
UH, WE DO HAVE IT PRETTY WELL SUPPORTED, UH, RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO WHEN WE DO TAKE THAT OFF, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GONNA BE DENUDED.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE JUST STUDS AND, AND, UH, UM, SOME MEMBERS THAT WE, THAT HE'S, HE'S POINTED OUT HERE THESE, UH, ONE BY TWELVES THAT, UH, WERE REALLY MORE OF THE SUPPORT FEATURE OF THESE, THESE HOUSES WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT AT LEAST STRONG ENOUGH TO WHERE I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE BEING IN THERE.
THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, ARE YOU, UH, OKAY WITH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO CEMENTITIOUS SIDING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH REPLACING IT WITH WOOD SIDING? ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP IS BECAUSE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PART OF THIS HOUSE IS THE PATTERN OF THE FRONT GABLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE FRONT GABLE AND THE FRONT GABLE, UH, HAS FISH SCALES AS WELL AS, UH, LITTLE, UH, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT.
SO I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP WOOD ON THE SIDING.
SO THEN THEY'RE ALL FROM THE SAME FAMILY, AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING CEMENT TISSUE ON THE WALL AND THEN JUST LEAVING THE POOR GABLE BY, BY S LONESOME.
SO, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT? I, I WOULD PREFER HARDY BECAUSE OF ITS ABILITY TO LAST THE OVERTIME.
I HAVE A HOUSE THAT WE HAD IN, IN THE BELLVILLE AREA, AND, UH, WE TRIED THE WOOD AND, AND THE WOOD WILL POP AND WITH A LITTLE PRESSURE, IT STARTS TO WARP AS TIME GOES ON.
AND IT BECOMES KIND OF A MAINTENANCE ISSUE AND YOU END UP REPLACING, AND ULTIMATELY WE REPLACE THAT ALL WITH HARDY.
SO, UM, UH, AND THAT WAS CYPRUS.
THAT WAS A CYPRUS, UH, WOOD THAT WE FOUND, UH, WE FOUND IT.
AND, UH, YOU'VE GOTTA PUT THAT UP WHEN IT'S PRETTY WET BECAUSE, UH, TO, TO GET IT REAL TRUE, WHEN IT'S CUT, FIRST CUT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY TRUE.
BUT THEN IT STARTS TO DRY OUT AND WHEN IT STARTS TO DRY OUT, IT WILL WARP AND IT'LL WARP WITH SO MUCH TORQUE THAT IT'LL JUST POP.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IN, IN TIME.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUT IT UP, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY MAKE MATERIAL AS GOOD AS THEY DID THE TIME WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CONSTRUCTED THESE, THESE, THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY WERE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL, THICKER, MAYBE A BETTER, BETTER MADE.
UM, BUT WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME WITH MAKING THAT WORK.
BUT I AM, I AM UP FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT ELSE.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOUR COR REQUESTED THAT IN 2016, MAYBE NOT YOU, YOU DIDN'T OWN IT THEN THE COR WAS HAVING THE
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SIDING THAT WAS ILLEGALLY REMOVED TO BE RIGHT.WOOD SID, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT WHEN WE GOT IT.
AND, AND ACTUALLY THAT'S GONNA, NO, I KNOW THAT WAS NOT YOU GONNA BE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE WHEN THEY, I THINK THE RED, THE LAST APPROVAL WAS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND TRY TO TRY TO MAKE IT STURDY AND SECURE SO THAT, UH, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT SOMEBODY BEING IN DANGER BEING IN THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
THIS IS QUITE A PROJECT, UM, ALRIGHT.
THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ON ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSION.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION
I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
HELLO, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN.
I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM E 14 17 54 NORTH BOULEVARD.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING COLONIAL REVIVAL RESIDENCE WITH DETACHED GARAGE.
CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1928, LOCATED IN THE BOULEVARD OAKS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS TOOK PLACE CIRCA 1977 AND 1988.
THIS PROPERTY IS A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH TWO STORY ENCLOSED DETACHED GARAGE.
GARAGE, EXCUSE ME, ON A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL INCLUDES ALTERATIONS TO EXISTING WINDOWS, DOORS, OPENINGS, AND AN ADDITION THAT CONNECTS WITH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE THAT CONNECTS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE TO THE DETACHED GARAGE.
THIS EDITION'S FIRST FLOOR INCLUDES A GARAGE WHERE CURRENTLY THERE'S A CARPORT.
THE SANBORN MAPS AND HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVE DOCUMENTS SHOW SOME OF THE CHANGES THROUGHOUT TIME.
THE REAR CORNERS OF THE BUILDING HAVE BEEN ABSORBED IN PREVIOUS ADDITIONS OR RENOVATIONS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A CONNECTED 625 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE AND TWO STORY EDITION OF A 845 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.
TOTAL END SQUARE FOOTAGE, INCLUDING GARAGE, WILL BE 5,879 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO CONTRIBUTING CONTEXT IN THE AREA.
ALTERATIONS TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE INCLUDE A NEW FRONT DOOR TO REPLICATE EXISTING REPAIR OF HISTORIC WINDOWS, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS TO MATCH THE HISTORIC LIGHT PATTERN IN DETAIL.
IN SPANISH CEDAR OPENINGS ON THE WEST ELEVATION FACING WOODHEAD ARE PROPOSED TO CHANGE.
FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS D ONE TWO AND G ONE ARE FROM A CIRCA 1977 KITCHEN REMODEL AND ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
SEE INTERIOR PHOTOS ON PAGE 31 OF YOUR REPORT, THE PROPOSED SIDE ELEVATION SHOWS TWO NEW WINDOWS IN THIS AREA.
ONE NEW OPENING ON THE NON-ORIGINAL ADDITION IS PROPOSED AS E ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THIS SAME SIDE.
ALSO ON THE WEST ELEVATION THERE IS AN EXISTING DOOR, A ONE WHICH WAS PROBABLY BUILT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME DETAILS.
HOWEVER, THE HARDWARE ELEMENTS, SPECIFICALLY THE HINGES ON THIS DOOR APPEAR OLDER THAN THAT OF THE FRONT DOOR, PLEASE SEE PAGES SIX, SEVEN AND 20 THROUGH 30 FOR MORE DETAIL IN PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS DOOR HAS ALSO AN EXTERIOR EXTERIOR AWNING WITH THE WR IRON DETAILS.
THE APPLICANT PROMO, EXCUSE ME, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THIS OPENING TO BE ALTERED TO MATCH HISTORIC, THE HISTORIC FRONT FACING WINDOW IN THIS SAME ROOM AND THE AWNING TO BE REMOVED.
THE ORMOND PLACE CIVIC ASSOCIATION HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS PROJECT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS AN APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION TO RETAIN THE EXISTING OPENING DIMENSION FOR THE SIDE DOOR, A ONE FACING WOODHEAD AND TO REPAIR EXTERIOR AWNING.
THE AGENT AND ARCHITECT ARE THE AGENT REPRESENTATIVES ARE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, THE ARCHITECT SHOULD BE JOINING VIRTUALLY AND I ALSO SAW THAT THE OWNER WAS PRESENT.
UM, VIRTUALLY THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL ON PAGE, UM, AMANDA, ON PAGE EIGHT, IT SAYS, THIS NON-ORIGINAL SIDE DOOR LIKELY ADDED DURING 77 REMODEL AT SOUTHWEST CORNER, IS THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING SHOULD STAY.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT IT'S MORE ORIGINAL THAN WHAT'S STATED IN OUR PACKAGE? SORRY, THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT IS THE AGENT COMMENT THAT OUR STAFF COMMENT IS DIFFERENT.
THIS WAS, UM, PROVIDED BY THE AGENT.
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WE WERE NOT SURE OF THE AGE OF THIS DOOR, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAD THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION TO STAFF'S BELIEVE.IS THIS DOOR'S ORIGINAL ALONG WITH THE AWNING AND THE IRON FRAME? WE BELIEVE THE OPENING COULD BE ORIGINAL, BUT WE AREN'T CERTAIN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OR DRAWINGS, PHOTOGRAPHS TO CONFIRM THAT NORTH FULL.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
CAN WE HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKERS? UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL FOLKS.
HI, UM, MY NAME IS KAYLEE DEFFENBAUGH.
I AM THE AGENT FOR THIS COA APPLICATION.
I'M A CONSULTANT WITH RYAN, LLC, UM, FORMERLY ROSTY HISTORIC ADVISORS.
I'M ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA LET MARTHA, SHE'S HERE, SHE'S THE ARCHITECT.
LET HER KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD ON, UM, UH, THE DISCUSSION AND THE OWNER IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, UH, FOR QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS PLANS TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
UM, MS. BUTTE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, THE SIDE DOOR, I BELIEVE WAS PUT IN WHEN THERE WAS A MOTOR COURT WAS ADDED.
THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY WOULD'VE HAD A GARAGE.
THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WOULD'VE BEEN OFF WOODHEAD AND YOU WOULD'VE TURNED INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE GARAGE IN THE SEVENTIES WHEN THEY ADDED THE CARPORT.
THEY ALSO MADE A MOTOR COURT THAT HAS TWO DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES OFF OF WOODHEAD.
AT THAT TIME IS WHEN I BELIEVE IN MY MIND THE DOOR WAS ADDED ON THAT SIDE WITH WOODHEAD.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE TOP OF THE BRICK WHERE THE AWNING COMES OUT, THE BRICK DOESN'T HAVE THE SOLDIER AND THE ROLL LOCK COURSE AND THE ANGLE PATTERN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND AT THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, THIS OWNER WANTS TO CUT THE MOTOR COURT OFF.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WILL ONLY BE THE ONE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE FROM WOODHEAD.
IT WILL GO INTO THE ENCLOSED GARAGE.
YOU WOULD HAVE ONE TURNOFF TO THE RIGHT THAT WAS ONLY ONE CAR LENGTH DEEP.
SO THERE WILL BE NO PAVING OUTSIDE THIS EXISTING DOOR.
ANYWAY, IT WILL BE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL WRAP AROUND THAT CORNER.
AND SO IN MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, THERE IS A DOOR ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I MEAN A WINDOW ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT WHERE THIS DOOR IS, REMOVE THE AWNING, PUT IN A WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THEN ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S RIGHT WHERE THE STAIRCASE STARTS UP.
AND THAT WAY YOU WOULD STILL HAVE YOUR PRINCIPAL FRONT DOOR.
YOU WOULD HAVE TWO WINDOWS LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THEN I WOULD REPEAT THAT WINDOW WHERE WE'RE ELIMINATING THE MOTOR COURT AND ELIMINATING ANY ACCESS ON THAT SIDE, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MADAM CHAIR, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR DIRECTED AT BOTH, UH, TO YOU AS WELL AS TO STAFF.
UH, THIS BUILDING SEEMS VERY PROMINENT.
UM, SO I'M ASKING WHETHER DO YOU HAVE, UH, UH, ORIGINAL DRAWINGS AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T BACK THAT OLD THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS ANY ARCHIVAL PICTURES BECAUSE YOU, UH, I THINK IN, UH, AMANDA, YOU PRESENTED SOME PICTURES FROM SOME ARCHIVAL, UH, LIBRARY.
COULD THERE BE MORE THAT SHOWS THAT PARTICULAR WALL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? CURRENTLY? ALL OF THE HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT WERE, UM, UNCOVERED BY RYAN, UM, THE AGENT, UM, ARE IN THE REPORT.
WE DID CHECK WITH THE HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVES.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WITHIN THE REPORT, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND.
UM, AND I THINK THE ONLY DRAWING SET WE HAVE WAS THE ONE FROM 1977.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THE, THIS OLD PHOTO THAT I THINK IS ON PAGE 13, THAT WAS ACTUALLY STUFFED INSIDE THE 1970 DRAWINGS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO OTHER WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING VIEWED TO THE SOUTHEAST 1750.
THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE OLD LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS JUST ONE PIECE OF PAPER THAT HAPPENED TO BE IN THE 1970 DRAWINGS.
SO NO BLUEPRINTS, NO ORIGINAL BLUEPRINTS, NOTHING.
NOT PRIOR TO WHEN THEY DID THE REMODEL WITH THE CARPORT.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND FOR OUR FINAL SPEAKER ONLINE, THE OWNERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT ALL? UH, SURE.
THANKS FOR, UH, ENTERTAINING THIS, UH, ADDITION AND REMODEL.
I, I DID, UH, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM, UH, THE, UH, OWNERS WHO, UH, LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS, THE ERHART.
AND, UH, THEY, I ACTUALLY APPROACHED THEM.
THEY WERE QUITE KIND, UM, AND ASKED THEM ABOUT OLDER PICTURES AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY, THEY DID NOT.
BUT, UH, THEY DID CONFIRM THAT DRIVEWAY INSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ADDITIONS WERE ALL DONE IN THE SEVENTIES.
SIR, WOULD YOU STATE AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PERSON, UH, ON MICROPHONE.
SO WHEN YOU SPOKE TO THE PERSON THAT GOT, UH, YOU THE SUM OF THIS INFORMATION, WERE THEY THE ONE THAT RENOVATED THE HOUSE IN 1970S? I, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY RENOVATED IT OR BOUGHT IT IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS.
UH, 'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING WHETHER THEY WERE THE ONES THAT PUT IN THE, THAT DOOR.
CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, REPEAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION? STAFF RECOMMENDS AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO RETAIN THE EXISTING OPENING DIMENSIONS FOR THE SIDE DOOR.
A ONE FACING WOODHEAD AND REPAIR EXTERIOR AWNING.
THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER CURRY AND FOR COMMISSIONER COUCH.
I I, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN THAT DOOR IS NOT ORIGINAL, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR AN ARCHITECT'S PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT DOOR IS ACTUALLY ORIGINAL OR PART OF THE 77 REMODELING.
UH, I WONDERED THE SAME THING AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TELL, UH, THE ARCHITECT, MS. BUTTE MAY HAVE AN, UH, EXPERT OPINION ON THAT FROM CLOSE RANGE.
YEAH, WELL IT SHOWED UP ON THAT.
THE, I THINK THE DOOR WAS ADDED AGAIN WHEN THE CIRCLE DRIVE WAS ADDED.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ANY REASON TO HAVE A DOOR THERE UNTIL YOU HAD A DRIVEWAY THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT ODD IS IN FRONT OF THAT DOOR.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE STEPS IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR WHERE YOU HAVE BRICK PAVING AND THE STEPS GO DOWN AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HANDRAILS.
THE ONLY THING IN FRONT OF THAT DOOR IS PRECAST.
IT'S PROBABLY FORMED, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THREE PRECAST BLOCK CONCRETE STEPS.
SO THEY WEREN'T CLAD WITH BRICK LIKE THE FRONT ENTRY WALK OR THE FRONT PORCH.
AND AGAIN, WHEN I LOOKED UP ALL OF THE OPENINGS ON THE FRONT FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR AND THE EXISTING OPENINGS OF WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, EVEN ON THE SIDES THEY HAVE A SOLDIER COURSE AND A ROLL LOCK KIND OF CANTED AT AN ANGLE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BRICK MOLD IN THE OPENING.
NONE OF THAT BRICK TREATMENT EXISTS ABOVE THIS DOOR.
SO THOSE KIND OF COMPONENTS LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEY DIG THE CARPORT.
PEOPLE WERE PULLING IN AND GETTING, BLOCKING PEOPLE IN THE CARPORT.
SO THEY MADE A CIRCLE DRIVE FOR WOODHEAD BECAUSE NORTH BOULEVARD IS SO DIFFICULT TO PARK ON.
AND THEN THEY NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED ANOTHER WAY IN THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT.
A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE, IT WAS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE.
THE ACTUAL, THE HOUSE OF COURSE, OLD PART OF THE HOUSE IS UP ON A APPEAR AND BEAM.
AND THE FRONT PORCH, YOU CAN TELL, IS VERY DELIBERATE IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS FORMED.
IT HAS THE SAME BRICK PAVERS ON IT THAT THE SIDEWALK COMING UP TO THE HOUSE HAS THE FRONT DOOR HAS THAT ELABORATE TREATMENT AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, A PEDIMENT IN THAT TREATMENT AROUND THE DOOR.
THAT'S THE WAY IT STILL LEADS ME TO BELIEVE.
THIS OTHER ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UM, AND IT, THEY WOULDN'T, THE HOUSE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A SIDE DOOR, WOULD'VE HAD A FRONT DOOR AND A BACK DOOR.
IT DEVELOPED THE SIDE ONE WHEN YOU PUT IN THAT CIRCLE DRIVE IS MY THOUGHT.
IF I CAN CHANGE IT TO A WINDOW, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE EXACT SAME WIDTH THAT THAT DOOR IS.
'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY FOUR AND A HALF INCHES DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT DOOR OPENING WITH IN THE FRONT WINDOW ON THE HOUSE.
BUT IF I CAN, IF I CAN CHANGE IT INTO A WINDOW,
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I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE AWNING OVER A WINDOW LIKE IT DOES OVER THE DOOR.I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL.
IF I, IF YOU GO BACK TO, UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO PICTURE ON PAGE EIGHT YEAH.
AND THEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO PICTURE, UH, PAGE SIX.
THOSE BOTH DOORS LOOK SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE MOLDING, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND THEREFORE I DON'T, IF IF THAT DOOR ON PAGE SIX IS NOT ORIGINAL, MEANING ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT THE ONE ON, ON PAGE EIGHT IS EITHER, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF YOU LOOKED AT PAGE A EIGHT, UH, THE STEP IS CLEARLY NON-ORIGINAL.
I DON'T THINK THE DOOR'S ORIGINAL AT ALL.
SO DO WE THINK THAT THERE WAS NOT AN OPENING THERE AT FIRST? LIKE I WOULD THINK IF ANYTHING, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WINDOW THERE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE INTO A DOORWAY.
UH, THE REASON I SAY THAT ALSO, I DON'T SEE ANY CRACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THE CORNERS.
LIKE IF YOU WENT IN AND YOU CUT A NEW DOOR OPENING SEVERAL YEARS LATER, THE HOUSE HASN'T MOVED OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE TO POP ANY OF YOUR DIAGONAL CRACKS, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A HEADER THERE AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WINDOW THERE AND THEY JUST PUNCHED IT OUT AND MADE IT A DOOR AND THEN MADE SOME STEPS GOING DOWN.
BUT THEN WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE DISTINCTIVE BRICK BRICK TREATMENT ACROSS THE TOP.
'CAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE DOORS.
I BET IN ORDER TO EXPOSE THAT HEADER AND PUT IN THE WINDOW, THEY HAD TO TAKE THAT BRICK OFF AND THEY DIDN'T PUT THE BRICK BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA ANCHOR AN AWNING IN THROUGH THE BRICK.
WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
AND IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE, UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARILY ORIGINAL THE OPENING, BUT THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN EARLY IN HISTORIC IN ITS OWN RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM TO KEEP THE OPENINGS MEASUREMENTS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE DOOR.
I, I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THAT PERSONALLY FOR THE HOUSE AS A LIVING, BREATHING, EVOLVING STRUCTURE.
UM, CAN WE KEEP THE OPENING, LET ME UNDERSTAND.
TO KEEP THE OPENING AS A DOOR HEIGHT OPENING OR NOW JUST NARROW IT TO A WINDOW HEIGHT OPENING, UM, TO KEEP THE SAME OPENING, BUT WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE, IT BEING CHANGED TO A WINDOW.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE HEIGHT BEING MOVED UP.
SO NOT EXPANDING IT AND NOT, NOT WIDENING IT AND SHORTENING IT AS I THINK IS ON PAGE 30, I BELIEVE OF YOUR REPORT.
DO YOU MAKE IT A WINDOW? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT CAN'T BE SITTING ON THE GROUND.
LIKE THE DOOR IT'LL HAVE TO, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE FRONT HAVE ABOUT A 12 INCH WOOD PANEL THAT ACTUALLY FITS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW.
SO WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THERE IS SOME WALL SPACE BETWEEN THE FINISH FLOOR AND THE WINDOW.
UM, WE HAVE A, A, UH, ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER'S.
NICE TO SEE YOU ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE.
MY NAME IS ANNA MAUD AND I WANTED TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER MCNEIL'S COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE, THE DOOR AND THE ADDITION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER BACK WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, CARS, WE HAD CARS IN HOUSTON, BUT THEY WERE NOT AS PROMINENT.
AND THAT, UH, CARPORT AS UM, THE ARCHITECT POINTED OUT, WAS ADDED TO FACILITATE GETTING THINGS IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHEN WE'VE BEEN IN HOUSES OF THIS ERA, YOU GO IN, THERE'S A SENDER HALL, EITHER THERE'S A PARLOR ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S A PARLOR ON THE LEFT.
SO I SUPPORT THE ARCHITECT'S, UH, THEORY TO UH, PUT THIS BACK AS A WINDOW.
MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE TO LOOK AT CRITERIA NUMBER THREE THAT SAYS THE PROPOSED ACTIVITY MUST RECOGNIZE THE BUILDING STRUCTURE, OBJECT OR SITE AS A PRODUCT OF ITS OWN TIME AND AVOID ALTERATIONS THAT SEEK TO CREATE AN EARLIER OR LATER APPEARANCE.
TO ME THAT SUGGESTS KEEPING THE OPENING THE WAY IT IS AND PUTTING A WINDOW IN, BUT KEEPING THE AWNING.
'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DID ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO NOW.
THAT WAS THE DIRECTOR THAT MEETING.
NO, THAT WAS JUST
UH, WELL, AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER KS, IF WE, IF WE KEEP THAT AWNING, BUT WE, LET'S SAY ALL AGREE TO IT BEING A WINDOW AND, AND, UH, LIKE WHAT AMANDA
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SAID ON PAGE 30, IF YOU, IF YOU GO AND MATCH IT BACK TO A WINDOW, THEN WOULD IT NOT LOOK ODD? UH, ON PAGE 30 OF 36, UH, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S ABOUT, UH, UH, IT'S ABOUT UH, UH, YOU KNOW, 12 INCHES OFF THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOW VERSUS THE, THE DOOR WIDTH.BUT WOULDN'T IT LOOK ODD JUST TO LEAVE AN AWNING OVER THIS ONE, ONE WINDOW AND ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS DON'T HAVE AWNINGS? THAT FINE? THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
I MEAN IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO SOME SORT OF A FIXED DOOR WITH GLASS IN IT.
THAT WOULD STILL LOOK LIKE A DOOR BUT DOESN'T OPERATE.
OKAY, WE HAVE, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY POINT THAT THE COMMISSIONER YAP, UH, THINK THE DOOR IS ONLY THREE INCH DIFFERENCE IN WIDTH.
UNLESS I HEARD SOMETHING WRONG.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, FOR THE RECORD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY THE OWNER.
UH, REPLACING THE EXISTING DOOR, A ONE WITH A WINDOW IN THE EXACT SAME OPENING AS THE OPENING IS NOW.
UH, AND REMOVING THE AWNING CURRY SECONDS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KS AND COMMISSIONER YAP.
IN OPPOSITION? NO, HE'S NO, UH, FOR ME WAS YES.
YOU HAVE MOTION IN OPPOSITION? WON IN OPPOSITION? DID I HEAR WON IN OPPOSITION? THANK COMMISSIONER CASH? YES, MA'AM.
CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK.
OKAY, SO THAT, UM, THANK YOU STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR CON OUR, UH, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO WE WILL MOVE NOW TO THE AGENDA ITEM, OPENING UP THE FLOOR TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIS AFTERNOON? OKAY.
UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, MADAM CHAIR? UH, I HAVE ONE.
UH, THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I VOTED NEGATIVE FOR THE 9 0 7 HENDERSON WAS BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF A BAD ACTOR WHO OWNED IT BEFORE THE CURRENT OWNER, MR. WARD.
AND THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO LEAVE IT LIKE THAT AND LET THE HOUSE DETERIORATE TO A POINT.
SO, AND WHEN THEREFORE IN 2015 OR 16 WHEN UH, AND WHEN THIS BAD ACTOR WAS CAUGHT, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THEN TO LIKE, OKAY, YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT WITH WOODEN SIDING.
AND WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IF WE DON'T IMPOSE THAT SAME LEVEL OF UH, UH, BREVITY, THEN THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER ACTORS.
IN FACT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HOUSES IN OH SIX WARD THAT ARE STILL LIKE THIS IN TYVEK FOR YEARS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO JUST PASS THE TWO YEARS AND THEN AFTER THAT GET OFF EASY KIND OF A SITUATION.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER YAP.
THAT WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON, ON PERHAPS HOW THESE CORRECTIVE MEASURES WORK.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY REALLY DO EXPIRE AFTER TWO YEARS, THAT SEEMS UNFORTUNATE.
IF OUR INTENT IS TO REMEDY SOMETHING THAT HAS GONE AWRY, IF IT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY AND RIGHT.
MS. ADAM, CAN WE ASK YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR US? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? YES.
THANK YOU MS. MS. ADAMS. IT'S KIND OF CRITICAL TO KNOW IF THE, IF IT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY OF THE OWNER, 'CAUSE NOW ARE WE PUNISHING THE NEW OWNER FOR THE SINS OF THE PREVIOUS OWNER? AND, AND, AND SOME CLARITY WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR BE RAISING THIS, UH, ISSUE, MR. YEAH.
'CAUSE IT, IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE WE HAD OUR SPECIAL MEETING ABOUT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT TENURE RESTRICTION ENCUMBERS THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S THE PROPERTY, SO IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, DOES THE COR NOT WORK THE SAME WAY? Y YEAH, I GUESS IN SOME WAYS ISN'T THEN, ISN'T IT THEN COURT
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ENFORCEMENT, LIKE PETE STOCKTON GOES OUT BEFORE THE TWO YEAR EXPIRES TO GO AND MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNER ACTUALLY PUT BACK THE SIDING, PUT BACK THE SIDING AS OPPOSED TO IN 2016, ANOTHER FIVE MORE YEARS OF TYVAC.YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT HOW THE COR WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MEANT TO BE.
UM, I'LL CALL NOW TO, FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT.
THE ASTROS IN A COUPLE OF HOURS I THINK ARE PLAYING GAME TWO IN THE SERIES TWO HOUR SPEECH AND, UH, NO, NOT AT ALL.
I JUST WANT TO COMMENT, THERESA WATCH IT THERE SENT, I MENTIONED TO HER THAT THIS IS MY EXACTLY THE ANNIVERSARY OF WHERE I STOOD BEFORE YOU THREE YEARS AGO.
SO I GOT HIRED IN OCTOBER OF 2019.
SO, UH, NOT THAT I'M COUNTING, BUT, UM, THE, UH, PER, UH, WANTED TO SAY WE DID A LITTLE BIT, WE GOT A LITTLE DONE.
UM, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN I GOT HERE AND, UH, TO OUR OFFICE.
YOU, YOU COULDN'T PUT THE PHONE DOWN.
UH, IF YOU PICKED, IF YOU PICKED THE PHONE UP, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE CALLS CAME IN WHILE YOU WERE ON THE PHONE AND WE, IT WAS QUITE AN INTERESTING PROBLEM.
AND I THOUGHT, AND 99% OF THE CALLS WERE FROM PERMITTING AND PERMITTING AND, AND, UM, 99% OF THOSE CALLS WERE THINGS WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.
PEOPLE CALLING FOR AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT, A PLUMBING PERMIT, A SWIMMING POOL, SOME KIND OF SINGLE TRADE PERMIT.
AND I WALKED OVER TO HECTOR RODRIGUEZ, THE DIVISION MANAGER THAT OVERSEES THE PERMITTING CENTER.
AND I SAID, HECTOR, WHY ARE ALL THESE CALLS COMING IN FROM ALL THOSE PEOPLE UNDER YOU? THE PHONE'S RINGING NONSTOP.
AND HE SAID, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY THEY ALL GOT HISTORIC HOLDS ON ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND I SAID, WELL, THIS IS COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? I WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THESE CALLS.
AND HE SAID, WELL, NO ONE EVER IN YOUR POSITION SAID THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR US TO RELEASE THOSE CALLS.
SO WE WROTE AN EMAIL THAT SAID, SINGLE TRADE PERMITS OR A MESSAGE TO ALL THE STAFF IN PERMITTING, YOU CAN LET ANY SINGLE TRADE PERMIT GO, UH, ET CETERA.
AND EVEN THOUGH OUR, THE STAFF WILL SAY, WE GET A LOT OF CALLS TODAY, WE REALLY, WE GET ALMOST NO CALL.
SO CHEERS TO THE PERMITTING CENTER.
THEY RELEASED A LOT OF PERMITS ON THEIR SIDE, TOOK A BIG LOAD OFF OUR OFFICE, UH, AND THEN WE STAFFED UP.
AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE WENT BACK DOWN.
BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS QUEUED UP.
I I THINK WE'LL START THE REAL ESTATE COURSE IN 2023.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE OF COURSE GOT THE FRIEDMANS TOWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, FINANCIAL INCENTIVE GRANT, AND THE PLAN FORTHCOMING THE UNFORTUNATELY DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR WOODLAND HEIGHTS NOR HILL AND, UH, WHAT'S THE, UH, THIRD ONE? OLD SIX OLD SIX WARD ARE, ARE STILL IN THE QUEUE.
IT'S, WE'RE STILL NOT AS EFFICIENT AS WE SHOULD BE IN WHAT WE DO.
AND, AND I'M, I'M GONNA KEEP WORKING ON THAT.
UM, I THINK WE, I EVEN THINK THIS, IT JUST KIND OF, OUR, THE REPORTS WE BRING TO YOU ARE A LITTLE CUMBERSOME AND THE PRESENTATION'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME TO MAKE.
I'D LIKE TO GET THAT MORE EFFICIENT.
BUT ANYWAY, ALTOGETHER, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, IT'S GREAT WORKING WITH Y'ALL.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THESE ITEMS TODAY.
UH, UM, STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN WILL BE BACK SOON FROM PATERNITY MATERNITY LEAVE, AND THAT'LL BE VERY GOOD.
AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT THEN WITH EACH DAY.
THANK YOU, ROMAN, TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF.
UM, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR THAT HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.
STICK AROUND FOR THREE MORE YEARS, PLEASE.
UM, I WANTED TO THANK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME AND FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, UH, ACROSS THE DAUS TODAY.
UM, GREAT MEETING AND, UH, WE STAND ADJOURNED.