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JD BARTEL, CHAIR OF[Historic Preservation Appeals Board on October 10, 2022.]
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS APPEAL BOARD, AND I AM CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS BOARD CONDUCTS MEETINGS AT THE CITY HALL ANNEX WITH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 5 5 1 0.127 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH BECAME EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021.
THE CHAIR WILL BE PRESENT IN THE ROOM BOARD MEMBERS, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC MAY ATTEND IN PERSON OR THROUGH A VIDEO CONFERENCE LINK USING MICROSOFT TEAMS. AT THIS BOARD MEETING, APPLICANTS MAY OPEN AND SPEAK ONE TIME FOR FIVE MINUTES.
IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK UP TO ONE MINUTE WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK.
IF YOU DO NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN ADVANCE, YOU CAN SUBMIT A SPEAKER REQUEST TO STAFF AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IF JOINING VIRTUALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF AND PLEASE ONLY UNMUTE YOURSELF TO SPEAK WHEN I CALL ON YOU TO SPEAK BY NAME.
USE THE COMPUTER'S MICROPHONE ICON TO MUTE OR PRESS STAR SIX TO MUTE FROM THE MOST PHONES.
THIS MEETING MEETS CURRENT OPEN MEETING LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, SO LONG AS A QUORUM OF MEMBERS ARE AUDIBLE AND VISIBLE WITH A MIC AND A CAMERA READY TO BE TURNED ON WHEN SPEAKING.
BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND RESPOND BY SAYING YOUR LAST NAME, PRESENT OR LAST NAME.
PRESENT VIRTUALLY WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME.
I AM CHAIR JD BARTEL AND I AM PRESENT.
BLONDE, VIRA BLAND, PRESENT, AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OSLAND.
UM, MAY I HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? UM, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'M JENNIFER OSLAND, SECRETARY OF THIS BOARD AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
I, UM, REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION, UH, UH, APPROVAL OF THE JULY 11TH, 2022 HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPEALS BOARD.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE ELLIOT.
ANY OPPOSITION? ANY ABSTENTION? MOTION CARRIES.
ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AND APPEAL OF THE DIRECT OF THE DECISION OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2022 FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ADDRESS.
8 8 2 3 DOVER STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, HISTORIC HOUSTON.
MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, WE DID NOT UPDATE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION, UNFORTUNATELY.
THIS APPLICATION'S FOR 6 0 3 EUCLID STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE REVIEW IT CONSIDERING THE ADDRESS 8 8 2 3 DOVER STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, HISTORIC DISTRICT CHAIR, AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY WITH LEGAL POINT OF ORDER.
MAY, MAY TAKE A MINUTE AND SEND THE LINK TO THE, UH, APPLICANT.
SHE'S TEXTED ME AND ASKED AND SUGGESTED SHE CANNOT GET ON.
CAN YOU GIVE ME A FEW, A MINUTE OR TWO HERE, I'LL JUST SEND HER A LINK.
I'VE RECEIVED A TEXT THAT SHE CAN HEAR BUT HAS NO MIC.
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THAT I CAN'T FIX THAT OTHER THAN, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.PLEASE BE SURE YOUR PHONE IS UNMUTED.
IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE, THAT WOULD BE STAR SIX.
AND IF YOU'RE AT HOME ON YOUR COMPUTER, LOOK IN THE UPPER RIGHT FOR A MICROPHONE AND TURN OFF THE UH, UH, MICROPHONE THE SLASH TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
COULD, COULD WE MAKE SURE IF SHE CAN BE HEARD? SURE.
MS. MS. RICO, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME IF YOU'RE, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME AND IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, IT'S STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE OR, UH, ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN.
UPPER RIGHT, LOOK AT THE, FOR A MICROPHONE ICON AND CLICK ON IT TO MAKE THE DIAGONAL LINE GO AWAY AND THEN SPEAK UP THEN PLEASE.
IS THERE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANOTHER WAY FOR HER TO COMMUNICATE IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE VOICE? CAN SHE CAN'T COMMUNICATE THROUGH TEXT TO US BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE AUDIBLE? WELL, SHE DOESN'T TECHNICALLY HAVE TO BE AUDIBLE, HOWEVER, SHE'S THE APPLICANT AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE A, A FAIR HEARING IF WE CAN'T REALLY HEAR FROM HER.
SO I THINK THAT IF SHE EITHER NEEDS TO TEXT COMMENTS OR, OR FIGURE OUT SOMEHOW TO GET THEM TO US, I DON'T EVEN SEE A PHONE NUMBER.
I CAN'T TELL THAT SHE'S ON AT ALL.
IF THE APPLICANT CAN HEAR US, THERE IS AN OPTION TO CALL IN AND THEN WE COULD HEAR YOU THAT WAY.
IF YOU'LL CALL THE PHONE NUMBER OF (936) 755-1521 AND THEN ENTER THE CONFERENCE ID NUMBER OF 7 2 3 2 3 1 4 4 3.
WE'LL PUT THAT INTO THE CHAT AND REPEAT IT AGAIN MOMENTARILY.
CALL IN AT (936) 755-1521 WITH CONFERENCE ID NUMBER 7 2 3 2 3 1 4 4 3 POUND.
THAT NUMBER IS ALSO ON THE POSTED AGENDA AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBPAGE AND WILL ALSO PUT THESE OPTIONS INTO THE CHAT.
I CAN ALSO CALL HER FROM MY CELL PHONE PUT ON SPEAKER.
WOULD THAT GET US THERE? COUNSEL AND I FIND IT ODD THAT SHE'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THAT VISIT, BUT SHE SAYS SHE HEARS FROM HER COMPUTER, WHICH IS KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE ANOTHER SIGNATORY ON THE CONTACTS OR ON THE, UH, PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, THAT MAY BE THE ONLY OPTION IS REGARD.
UH, DID YOU JUST NOW HEAR WHAT SOMEONE SAID? YES.
YOU'LL NEED TO MUTE THE SPEAKERS ON YOUR COMPUTER SO WE DON'T GET, UH, FEEDBACK FEEDBACK.
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SO, SO USE YOUR PHONE TO HEAR AND ON YOUR COMPUTER, TURN DOWN THE SPEAKERS ALL THE WAY DOWN.YEAH, LET, LET'S TRY THIS AND SEE HOW THIS WORKS.
WE'RE NOW, IF YOU AT ANY TIME CANNOT HEAR CLEARLY, PLEASE STATE SO YEAH.
IF SHE DOESN'T HEAR SOMETHING CLEARLY, YEAH.
AND WE NEED TO REPEAT ANYTHING.
AND SINCE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MUTE, IF YOU JUST WOULD REMAIN SILENT UNTIL THE OPPORTUNITY COMES UP TO BE THE CHAIR, UH, ASK FOR YOUR COMMENT.
UM, THIS IS AS A PROJECT SUMMARY.
THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WAS, UH, MS. ESPERANZA RICO.
UH, THE ADDRESS IS 88 23 DOVER STREET AND, UH, THIS IS IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE, AS A WAY OF SUMMARY, UH, FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT IN MARCH OF 2022, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A RED TAG FOR WORK ON THIS RESIDENCE COMPLETED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AND, UH, AND THEN ON MAY, MAY OF 2022, SHE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR C OF A TO REPLACE 11 ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH VINYL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
THE ITEM WAS HEARD AND DEFERRED FROM THE JULY 28TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE HHC AND THEN HEARD AGAIN AT THE SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE HHC.
THE HH C'S DECISION AT THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING WAS TO PARTIALLY ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, FOR FRONT FACING WINDOWS OF THE HOME BE REPLACED WITH MILL FINISHED ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ORIGINALS, ORIGINALS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME WAS TO ALLOW, THE APPLICANT WAS TO DENY THE C OF A AND ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION FOR THE WORK AS COMPLETED, MEANING THAT ALL THE WINDOWS WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO STAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 33 DASH 2 53.
THE APPLICANT APPEALED THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPEAL TO THE PRESERVATION APPEALS BOARD YOU ALL, AND IS REQUESTING THAT SHE BE ALLOWED TO KEEP ALL THE VINYL WINDOWS IN PLACE AS INSTALLED.
THE STRUCTURE INVOLVED HERE IS A CONTRIBUTING CIRCA 1958 AMERICAN RANCH STYLE HOUSE.
AND AS YOU SEE IN THE IMAGES HERE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE A BEFORE IMAGE OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL MILL FINISH.
THIS IS A PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE, UH, TWO OVER TWO, ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS, I'M SORRY, TWO OVER TWO SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS MILL FINISHED.
AND, UM, BELOW YOU DO SEE THE IMAGE, UH, WITH THE, UH, ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG WHITE VINYL WINDOWS.
UH, AND THEY WERE REPLACED ACROSS THERE.
SO THE, UM, APPLICANT'S GROUNDS FOR APPEAL, UH, PER HER, UH, EMAIL TO THE DIRECTOR IS THAT IT WAS A, A REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL HARDSHIP CONSIDERATION, UM, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE COMING SOON AS WELL AS INSURANCE.
AND SHE DIDN'T, UH, SHE PUT ENOUGH EFFORT AND MONEY TO, UH, MAKE THE PROPERTY LOOK NICE AND SAFE.
UH, SHE ALSO MENTIONED IN THAT EMAIL THAT SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO PAINT THE TRIM OF THE NEW FRONT WINDOWS AN ALUMINUM COLOR SO THAT THEY WOULD LOOK ORIGINAL, BUT SHE DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO REPLACE THEM.
NOW, THIS WAS, I'LL COMMENT, UH, SENT TO ME INITIALLY RIGHT AFTER THE HHC MEETING.
SINCE THEN, AND YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, SHE HAS REACHED OUT TO SUPPLIERS, UM, TO, UM, GET A PRICE TO COMPLY WITH THE HHC.
AND, UH, SHE CAN FILL YOU IN ON THAT.
WE DO HAVE ONE VENT, ONE, UH, PRODUCT THAT WE KNOW IS A, IS A GOOD FIT, AND THAT'S WHAT SHE CHECKED ON.
UH, IN YOUR DOCUMENT, YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT FROM THE SEPTEMBER HHC MEETING AND AS WELL AS THE JULY MEETING, UH, AND ALL OF THE MINUTES.
AND, UM, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
HAS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION CHANGED? WE, WHEN WE COME TO, TO THE APPEALS BOARD, TYPICALLY I, WE DON'T MAKE A, UM, A CHANGE.
WE, WE JUST PRESENT THE APPEAL THAT WAS A BOARD MEMBER PLANNED, UH, ASKING THE QUESTION THAT WAS, UM, UH, ELLIOT, WAS THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OF PAINTING THE WINDOWS TO MAKE THEM MORE COMPATIBLE PRESENTED TO THE HHC OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP LATER? IT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE A HHC.
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THE COMMISSIONERS FELT THAT WAS A, UM, ONE, AN OPTION AND OTHERS THOUGHT THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.THE, UH, IF, IF, IF YOU HAD TIME TO READ THROUGH BOTH TRANSCRIPTS, BOTH UNOFFICIAL TRANSCRIPTS THAT I WENT THROUGH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF A LOT OF THINGS INCLUDING, UH, WHEN I PRESENTED THE RECOMMENDATION.
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL TO ISSUE, I'M SORRY, FOR DENIAL OF A C OF A AND ISSUE THE C OF R FOR THE WORK COMPLETED.
THE CRITERIA WE USED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS, WAS PART OF THE THREE CRITERIA THAT, UM, ARE BEFORE IN THE, IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, BUT THEY'RE BEFORE THE REGULAR 11 CRITERIA PEOPLE LOOK AT.
AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT OR FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT.
AND IT WAS, UM, STAFF'S FEELING THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, STATED, UM, THAT, THAT SHE HAD, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR HER TO, TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
UH, SHE HAD LOST HER HUSBAND, UH, NOT THAT LONG AGO.
SHE'S OWNED THE HOUSE A WHILE.
UH, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.
SO WE WENT WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MUCH DISCUSSED AT HHC, UH, MUCH DISCUSSED.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS FELT THAT IT SHOULDN'T APPLY, UM, WITH THE STATEMENT WAS THAT, UH, SOMEONE CREATES THEIR ECONOMIC PROBLEM WHEN THEY MAKE THE REPLACEMENT AND, AND, AND THEY'RE CREATING THEIR OWN ECONOMIC PROBLEM.
SO THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
I ENCOURAGE YOU AS COMMISSIONERS, WHETHER OR NOT, NOT NOW NECESSARILY, BUT UH, TO, TO REALLY, UH, LOOK AT THAT DISCUSSION ON BOTH OF THOSE LINKS.
I SENT THE LINKS IN THE TRANSCRIPTS.
UM, FIERA BLAND IT IN THE MINUTES, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AROUND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S STANCE AROUND HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, AND IT SEEMED THAT VINYL WINDOWS DON'T, UM, CAUSE A CONFLICT WITH THAT HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.
UH, HOW HAVE WE TREATED THAT CONFLICT IN THE PAST BETWEEN WHAT WE VIEW AND WHAT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS? UH, BOARD MEMBER, UH, BLAND THAT THE, THAT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT TO REVISIT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION HAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, UM, OVERSEEING THE PROCESS FOR PUTTING BUILDINGS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PLACES.
AND WHAT HE IN THIS CASE HAS SAID IS THAT DEALING WITH MID-CENTURY MODERN NEIGHBORHOODS OR HISTORIC OR POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT HE FEELS THAT THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS ON MID-CENTURY HOUSES DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON WHETHER SOME A, A DISTRICT COULD BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND IT, IT MAY SURPRISE SOME WINDOWS ARE SACROSANCT IN TYPICALLY OVER THE LAST 30, 40, 50 YEARS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
BUT AS WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE DESIGNATION OF MID-CENTURY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NOW REACHED THE 50 YEAR THRESHOLD TO BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THE TOPIC HAS COME UP BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S NOT A, UH, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH THOUGH.
IT'S NOT THAT ROBUST ON THE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT SIDE.
YOU CAN FIND PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY SIDES OF HOUSTON WHO DO THAT AS A PROFESSION, BUT RESTORING ALUMINUM WINDOWS IS VERY DIFFICULT.
OUR STAFF SPENT, UH, MONTHS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.
AND, UM, ALMOST GOT, ALMOST FOUND NO ONE EXCEPT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HELPED US TO PRODUCE A VIDEO, WHICH YOU CAN GO TO HTV ONLINE AND SEE THAT SHOWS YOU HOW TO RESTORE WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
UM, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL IS IN NEW ORLEANS.
IT'S NOT AS REGULAR PLACE TO WORK.
UM, SO THAT DID COME INTO PLAY IN OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE TO ISSUE THE CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION THAT, I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE 11 CRITERIA, BUT OUR 11 R CRITERIA, THE CITIES ARE SPECIFIC, AND IT SAYS THAT REMOVAL OF WINDOWS IS A VIOLATION OF CRITERIA NUMBER NINE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, INCLUDING WINDOWS.
UM, YOU SEE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN VISITED MUCH, IT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE VISITED MORE.
UM, UH, BUT THAT'S THE, THE STATEMENT, AS LONG AS THE, THE WINDOW OPENING STAYS THE SAME, UM, AT THE THC, THAT, THAT WAS THE COMMENT FOR NOT OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE CAME, BUT THE, THE, THE PERSON, UM, THE NAMES ESCAPED ME WILL COME TO ME IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT THAT DOES THAT, UH, THIS IS, UM, UH, ELLIOT, UH, I BELIEVE THOUGH THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, PUTTING VINYL WINDOWS ON A A HOME WOULD, UH, DISQUALIFY IT FOR BEING PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
IT REALLY WASN'T A STATEMENT THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO REPLACE EXISTING, UH, HISTORICAL MATERIAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DISTINCTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH HERE.
UM, YEAH, I, I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP A LOT AND I KNOW THE REPAIR ISSUE WAS A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE AND THEN ALSO THE COST OF OTHER WINDOWS.
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KNOW, I DID A LITTLE SURVEY OF DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND OTHER, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.I MEAN, THE GENERAL, THE, THE GOLD STANDARD IS YOU REPLACE LIKE WITH LIKE, AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY EXCEPTION FOR ALUMINUM WINDOWS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO I MEAN, UNLESS THE, THE CITY OR THE HHC HAS DECIDED FOR THESE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STANDARD WE'RE WORKING WITH.
AND SO NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY WASN'T DONE IN THIS CASE.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED.
AND THEN THE ISSUE IS WHAT KIND OF REMEDIATION IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, UM, SO I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN I PERSONALLY, I I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT, I'M MORE OF A WOOD WINDOW PERSON.
THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THE, THE CHARM AND ALL THAT ALLUDES ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE DISTRICT AND IT'S, IT'S THE LAW THAT THEY NEED TO REPLACE, LIKE WITH, LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THE OTHER, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THINK THAT THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HUGE CAN DO IT DIFFERENTLY BASED ON SOME LOCAL CONDITIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT'S BEEN MADE AS A POLICY CHOICE HERE.
UM, I I, I'VE GOT A, A ISSUE AND I DID READ ALL THE OTHER TRANSCRIPTS AND, AND THIS IDEA OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HAS COME UP BEFORE AS, UH, AND OCCASIONALLY WHEN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE A TRUMP CARD OF SOME KIND, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN A, A STEERING, UH, MAKING OF CHOICES.
SO, I MEAN, WHEN Y'ALL DO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE BASIS OF IT, BECAUSE EVERY TIME I'VE HEARD IT COME UP, IT'S BEEN SORT OF, WE FEEL IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR REALLY WHAT YOU ALL FEEL, YOU KNOW, THE CONCLUSION IS GOOD, BUT WE OUGHT TO SEE THE FACTS THAT LEAD TO IT.
AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE RIGOROUS WHEN THERE'S A, A DEMO AND ECONOMIC HARDSHIP TO CALL IT FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE JUST SAYS, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ECONOMIC SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COST OF THIS REPLACEMENT'S GONNA BE.
UM, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE MATERIAL.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT A WINDOW OR A DOOR REPLACEMENT, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
ONE IS THE SHAPE OF THE OPENING.
TWO IS THE DIMENSIONS OF THE O OF THE WINDOW.
THREE IS THE MATERIAL, AND FOUR IS THE CONFIGURATION.
AND WHILE THESE HAVE MET THE DIMENSION AND THE SHAPE OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, THEY NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION, UH, IN THEIR DELINEATION THAN THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
IT'S MATERIAL AND, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE DIVISIONS OF THE WINDOW ITSELF.
I WANTED COME BACK AND WHAT SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT IN, IN TO THE, UM, APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE'VE GOT SOMEONE LINE OR NOT.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE ON FROM THE COMMISSION? THE BOARD COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HELLIER IS LISTED.
THE, THE, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE DON'T ASK, I MEAN, WE DON'T, THE STAFF, THE ONLY TIME IN THE THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE'VE COME TO APPEALS WITH THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION IS WHEN THE APPLICANT RAISES IT WITH US AND ASKS ABOUT IT AND WE DON'T, UM, PITCH IT, IF YOU WILL.
SO IT DID, IT DID, IT COMES FROM, FROM THEM.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM HERE.
AND THEN IN BETWEEN THE JULY AND SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE, UH, STORE, UM, HHC ASKED US TO LOOK AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.
AND I, UH, WHEN GLENBROOK VALLEY WAS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THERE WERE SOME MAPS, AND YOU CAN FIND THAT MAP IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF, UH, LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE, I THINK IS THE, UH, UH, OR HOUSEHOLDS IN, IN THE PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
AND IT WAS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OF THE 23 HISTORIC DISTRICTS, ONLY GLEN BROOK VALLEY HAS AS HIGH A PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO REGISTER.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO REGISTER IN THAT, IN IT'S 70% PLUS IS, IS, IS IS WHERE IT CAN BE IN ON PARTS OF GLEN BROOK VALLEY.
NOW, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS COMMENTED THAT THERE'S SOME APARTMENTS ON BROADWAY THAT GET INCLUDED WITH THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE CENSUS.
UM, AND THAT MAY BE THE CASE, UH, UH, IT, IT'S STILL THE NUM WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GO WITH THERE.
AND EVEN IF WE TAKE THAT AND BREAK IT IN HALF, IT'S STILL SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER 22 HISTORIC DISTRICTS WE HAVE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY OR ASKING FOLKS, WELL, HEY, YOU CAN GO SAY THAT'S GONNA COST YOU TOO MUCH.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S BROUGHT TO US FIRST.
AND THEN IN THIS CASE THOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE A MEANS AN APPLICATION OR WE DON'T, THERE'S NOT A, A REQUEST FOR W TWOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I JUST HAD TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PREP PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, OR JUST BASED ON WHAT
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WE WERE TOLD.THIS SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE, THAT'S HOW WE GOT THERE.
SO THAT'S HOW, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE WEREN'T OH, I, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT EVENTUALLY YOU DO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON A BASIS.
AND SO THAT IMPLIES SOME SORT OF, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE CONCLUSION, I THINK.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE, THE FACTS THAT LED TO THAT CONCLUSION, I THINK, AND, AND I MEAN, JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, THAT THAT MAY BE THAT THIS DISTRICT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS A SEPARATE ISSUE WITH THESE REPLACEMENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS APPEAL BOARD IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT BECOMES VERY, UH, PIECEMEAL AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF GLOBAL CHANGE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HHC OR STAFF OR LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT THAT, AND FINALLY, I'LL STATE THAT WE AS STAFF TWO ARE JUST, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE HHC SHALL TAKE FINANCIAL MATTERS INTO CONSIDERATION, AND THAT PRE THAT IS PRECEDES THE 11 CRITERIA.
SO WE FEEL IT'S THE RIGHT THING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO HHC OVER THE YEARS, FRANKLY.
I, I THINK THAT, UH, IS INAPPROPRIATE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME THAT LENDS ITSELF TO THE DIRECTION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HOW IT'S BEEN SEEN OVER LATELY, YOU KNOW, AND IT COMES OUT MORE AND MORE THAT THERE'S BEEN A RECOGNITION OF THE INEQUALITY BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM.
I, I AGREE, AND I KNOW IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALLY FOLD THAT INTO THE OTHER CRITERIA.
AND AS YOU SAY, IT'S SORT OF A GLOBAL OVERARCHING ADMONISHMENT AND NOT REALLY, UH, CRITERIA AS SUCH.
SO I MEAN, I, THERE WAS A CASE, I, I BELIEVE THAT CAME UP BEFORE US WHERE THE HHC BASICALLY AS A REMEDIATION REQUIRED THE APPLICANT TO, UH, FABRICATE A NEW WINDOW TO FIT THE WINDOW SHAPE.
IT WAS NOT A WINDOW THAT WAS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT, WELL, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GONE TOO FAR.
UM, SO IT, I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO SAY, FIND HISTORICAL ALUMINUM, YOU KNOW, FIND THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THROWN OUT AND PUT 'EM BACK EVERYWHERE.
AND THEY ACTUALLY, I FEEL, DID TRY TO, UM, TAILOR THIS, UH, REMEDIATION TO JUST THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS REALLY NEED TO BE REPLACED AND LEAVE THE OTHER ONES ALONE.
SO, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S HOW YOU SORT OF APPLY THAT ECONOMIC, UH, CONDITION IS YOU, YOU DON'T MAKE THEM DO THE BEST PRACTICES, YOU KNOW, OR THE THING YOU WISH YOU COULD DO.
YOU TRY TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT STILL PEOPLE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW.
SO LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA HEAR IT.
I'LL MOVE THIS MIC OVER FOR THE APPLICANT.
DOES ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? UM, AT THIS TIME WE CAN CALL THE APPLICANT.
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, UH, PRIOR TO SPEAKING MS. RICO.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY AND SEE IF THIS WORKS.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COMMENT.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED.
YES, MY NAME IS ESPERANZA RICO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR COMMENTS, MS. RICO.
MY, UM, WELL, I WAS TRYING NOT TO, UH, TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY WHEN IT'S ALREADY, WHEN THE WINDOWS ARE ALREADY THERE.
UM, AND, UH, I'M DOING WHAT I CAN AND, UH, IF Y WILL CONSIDER ME DOING THE WINDOWS LIKE THEY ARE, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY AGAIN.
DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. RICO? YES.
UH, I THINK, UM, ROMAN MENTIONED THAT YOU, YOU DID GET A, UH, A, A QUOTE TO HAVE ALUMINUM REPLACEMENTS PUT ON THE FRONT.
IS THAT TRUE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? YES, SIR.
I HAVE THE QUOTE ALREADY AND I DID THE SIGN AND EVERYTHING I HAD TO DO.
DID THEY GIVE YOU A ESTIMATE OF THE COST, WHAT THAT WOULD BE? YES, THE WINDOWS TO REPLACE THE FRONT WINDOWS, IT WOULD BE $1,211 AND 65 CENTS.
PLUS, I WOULD'VE TO PAY THE INSTALLERS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FRONT ONES AND REPLACE THEM.
HE SAID THE INSTALLERS CHARGE LIKE BETWEEN ONE 60 TO 180 A WINDOW.
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MS. RICO, CAN YOU RESTATE THE COST? WE HEARD $211 AND 68 CENTS.WAS IT 1,211 OR WAS IT 211? 1,211 65.
THAT'S THE QUOTE THEY GAVE ME FOR THE FRONT WINDOWS PLUS INSTALLATION, WHICH WOULD RUN, I GUESS BETWEEN $180 EACH WINDOW, MORE OR LESS.
THAT'S WHAT THE PERSON TOLD ME.
ROMAN, ON THE FRONT, ARE THERE TWO WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? EXCUSE ME? OH, UH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR ROMAN.
FOUR WINDOWS, BUT TWO GROUPINGS OF WINDOWS? YES, THE FRONT WINDOWS ONLY.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE NEXT TO THE DOUBLE.
YEAH, IT'S THE RESTROOM AND THE MASTER BEDROOM AND TWO AND TWO THAT ARE TOGETHER IN THE LIVING ROOM.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT YOU PURCHASED THE HOME APPROXIMATELY 15 YEARS AGO.
UH, WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION WAS MADE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT WAS BEFORE.
WERE YOU AWARE OF WHEN THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION WAS CREATED? NO, I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS CHAIR BARTEL.
THANK YOU MS. RICO, UM, FOR YOUR BEING IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO CALL FOR, UM, MOTIONS AT THIS TIME.
YOU MIGHT CHECK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? VIRTUALLY THERE IS NO ONE IN ATTENDANCE IN THE AUDIENCE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER ON THIS ITEM? UH, ELLIOT.
UM, I MOVE WE, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, DECISION OF THE HHC.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? UH, THIS IS VERA BLAND.
I WOULD MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE THE COR, THE CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION BASED ON THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP JUSTIFICATION, UM, THAT SUPERSEDES THE OTHER 11 CRITERIA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE SECOND MOTION? HELL YOU SECOND.
YOUR ALL THOSE OPPOSED ELLIOT NAY TWO TO ONE MOTION CARRIES THE SECOND MOTION FOR I WILL HAVE BLAND, UH, REPEAT HER MOTION.
UM, THE MOTION WAS TO A MOVE FORWARD WITH A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRITERIA AROUND ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT SUPERSEDES THE OTHER 11 CRITERIA.
UH, ROMAN, IS THAT LANGUAGE MEET WHAT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION FOR MS. RICOH.
UH, I BELIEVE WE HEARD, UH, A MOTION TO AFFIRM, ORIGINALLY A MOTION TO AFFIRM H HA'S DECISION, AND THAT MOTION FAILED WITHOUT A SECOND.
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WE HAD A, ANOTHER MOTION, WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY TO OVER, TO REVERSE THE DECISION, UH, ISSUE AN ISSUE OF CFR, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IS WHAT, AND LEGAL'S CONFIRMING THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.UM, DOES MS. RICO, CAN WE AFFIRM THAT MS. RICO UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAS OCCURRED? MS. RICO, I'VE MOVED THE MICROPHONE NEAR YOU.
UH, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THE DECISION? YES.
SO IT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DECISION IC OH, IT WAS NOT VERY CLEAR.
THE DECISION IS THAT THIS APPEALS BOARD, I WON'T SAY REVERSE, IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD? I WOULD SAY ISSUES.
THE, UH, THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION HAS APPROVED, HAS APPROVED THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION FOR YOU TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED.
IS THERE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, ROMAN.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR PAPERWORK THAT SHE NEEDS TO DO IN REFERENCE TO THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE? WE, SHE WILL, SHE HAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE HER PROPERTY WAS RED TAGGED FOR WORK, FOR WORK DONE WITHOUT, NOW THAT SHE'S APPLIED FOR THAT BUILDING PERMIT, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL EVENTUALLY BE HERE SHORTLY APPROVING, UH, THE HOLDS ON THAT SO THAT PERMIT CAN BE RELEASED AND, AND SHE STILL WILL, UH, THERE'LL BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR AT SOME POINT WHO WILL COME AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT THEY WERE DONE APPROPRIATELY, I GUESS IS THE RIGHT WORD.
IT WILL MOVE FORWARD AS THE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS FOLLOWS.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, EITHER VIRTUALLY WE KNOW THERE IS NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE OUT FRONT.
ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL SPEAKERS? NONE BY CHAT, SIR.
AND MR. MR. CHAIR? UH, I'LL JUST ADD REAL QUICKLY AND ROMAN CAN ELABORATE, BUT, UM, I, I DO WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A, AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
BOTH OF THESE, BOTH THE ISSUES OF WINDOWS AND HOW DO THEY NOTIFY AND INFORM PEOPLE OF, UM, APPROPRIATE WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
WE KNOW YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE APPEALS AND THE ISSUES OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT AND HOW WE MIGHT CLARIFY THAT.
SO HPAB HAS A WINDOW COMMITTEE AND STAFF HAS BEEN DOING SOME WORK, AND SO, SO THANK YOU.
EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF, I THINK PROBABLY JOINT TRAINING, TALKING TO THE CHAIR OF HBAB.
WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM BOTH SIDES AS MUCH AS STAFFING ALLOWS US TO.
SO, UM, WE EVEN HAD SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE, UH, FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HHC.
UM, UH, RIGHT NOW I REMEMBER WHERE WE'RE KIND OF HOLDING THOSE ORDINANCE REVISIONS, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD JUST YET, BUT IT'S TECHNICAL.
UH, WE'VE GOT A LIST FOR THAT.
AND NOW THE, UH, EDUCATION WISE, UM, WE'VE, WE, WE, THERE'S A HTV WINDOW LINK, AND WE DID HAVE ONE, AND WE BARELY SQUEAKED THAT OUT BEFORE WE LOST TWO EMPLOYEES, AND WE HAVE ONE ON A PATERNITY LEAVE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME COMMUNICATION DONE THERE.
HERE'S WHAT, TO ME IS THE KEY THING RIGHT NOW GOING FORWARD, IS IF I WERE THE WINDOW SUPPLIER, WHO IS THE ONLY WINDOW SUPPLIER WE'RE AWARE OF THAT SUPPLIES THE APPROPRIATE WINDOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GOOD IF HE WAS RUNNING SOME ADS IN THE NEWSLETTER AT THE CIVIC CLUB
THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T RECOMMEND THEM PER SE, BUT THEY DO LOOK VERY, VERY APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE, THE WINDOWS COMMITTEE OF THE HHC.
SO WE WILL, UH, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS IS GONNA DEDICATE MORE TIME FOR SOME OF OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS, AND ONE OF 'EM IS TO RIGHT IN THE TOP THREE, UM, IS TO WORK WITH THE HHC FOR SOME GUIDELINES.
NOW THE CITY OF HOUSTON REQUIRES THE ADOPTION OF DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NEW HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, THEY WEREN'T ADOPTED YET FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE AS STAFF CAN CERTAINLY DO, BUT PERHAPS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO INSTEAD IS FIRST STEP PAST SOMETHING ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND SO WE, WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO IT, BUT IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF TIME.
WE, WE, WE JUST RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH FOUR PEOPLE AND ONE, ONE ON PATERNITY LEAVE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DO IT.
WE'VE DONE, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE QUEUED UP TO COME IN.
IT'S, UM, BLOOMBERG MAGAZINE WROTE, I DON'T THINK I SHARED THAT WITH Y'ALL.
UH, UH, THE, THE GUY THAT'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR DIRECTOR OF THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM FOR THE UNITED, FOR THE UNITED
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SECRETARY OF INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, HE WROTE A PIECE THAT REALLY SPEAKS RIGHT TO THIS TOPIC AND SOME INEQUITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT EXIST IN PRESERVATION AS WE KNOW IT IN THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL OPERATING ON LAWS WRITTEN IN THE 1970S, OR IF THEY'RE NOT WRITTEN IN THE 1970S.THEY WERE WRITTEN BASED ON PRECEDENT WRITTEN IN THE 1970S.
SO A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.
AND, AND, UM, BOARD MEMBER ELLIOT, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
I THINK IT, I GET THAT, THAT THEY WOULD LOOK, UH, THERE, IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION.
WE HATE TO SEE THOSE ALTERATIONS.
AND THERE ARE, THESE WINDOWS ON THIS HOME IN GLENBROOK VALLEY ARE NOT EXTREMELY UNIQUE, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING ABOUT IT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT AN, BUT THERE ARE OTHER HOMES IN GLENBROOK VALLEY THAT HAVE THE LEADED GLASS WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN.
AND THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE ALUMINUM CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE JUST WONDERFUL IN TERMS OF, FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ARCHITECTURE AFICIONADOS AND, AND APPRECIATE PRESERVATION.
SO WE DO HAVE TO TRY TO, UM, WALK THIS LINE AND, AND MOVE HOUSTON FORWARD IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION IN, IN SERVING EVERYBODY.
IF I CAN JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT AND, AND I HOPE Y'ALL ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FORMULATING A WAY TO SORT OF OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE WHEN YOU WOULD, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BEST BASED ON THE FINANCIAL CONDITIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, I MEAN, I POINT OUT THAT THE COST OF REPLACING THOSE WINDOWS, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT LESS IF, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD BEEN EDUCATED AND, AND KNEW ABOUT THE PROCESS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO IT WAS THE, THE ISSUE OF ALREADY SPENDING THE MONEY ON THE ONE WINDOWS AND THEN HAVING TO REPLACE 'EM WITH OTHER WINDOWS.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT JUST THE, ANY INCREMENT OF COST OF THE ADDITIONAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS DOESN'T IN THE FUTURE BECOME A BASIS FOR EXCUSING SOMEONE FROM COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCE.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? WE, THE PUBLIC IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, SO DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, THIS IS VERA BLAND.
I THINK I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THOSE EFFORTS AROUND EDUCATION, UM, PARTICULARLY IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES ARE INCREASED AND, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DISTRIBUTED IN THE FUTURE TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THEM.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, IS ADJOURNMENT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
THE MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
AND JUST PROCEDURALLY, YOU DON'T TECHNICALLY MEET A MOTION TO ADJOURN, YOU CAN JUST ADJOURN.
CHAIR CAN JUST CALL THE MO MEETING OVER NEXT TIME.
PLEASE REMEMBER TO DISCONNECT ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES.
THE RECORDING AND THE CAPTIONING WILL NOW CONCLUDE.