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[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on October 10, 2022.]
HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION, HAHC, IS CALLED TO ORDER.I'M COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK.
UM, I SEE THAT WE HAVE QUORUM IN THE ROOM, BUT I WILL CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
UM, ANSWER IF YOU'RE ARE IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, VICE CHAIR AUER JACKSON WILL NOT BE PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER SWEENEY BOSTON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER VEDA IS NOT PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
AND OUR, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OSLAND AS SECRETARY PRESENT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM, UM, FOR THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
UM, LIKE TO MAKE A ANNOUNCEMENT REPORT.
I, I DO HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, MY NAME IS JENNIFER OSLAND, ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE HAHC IS BEING CONDUCTED IN PERSON IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS PUBLIC LEVEL CITY HALL ANNEX AT 900 BAGBY STREET.
THIS ROOM HAS A FRONT AND A REAR DOOR, EASILY AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, OR IF YOU NEED TO STEP OUT TO MAKE A PHONE CALL.
AS ALWAYS, THE AGENDA'S AVAILABLE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM AND IT INCLUDES PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES.
PLEASE ONLY SPEAK WHEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
YOU CAN FILL OUT A SPEAKER FORM OR TYPE YOUR NAME AND ITEM INTO THE CHAT IF YOU'RE ONLINE TO BE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
PLEASE STAY MUTED UNLESS RECOGNIZED.
UM, TO MUTE YOURSELF OR UNMUTE IF YOU'RE ON A PHONE, IT'S SIX.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, I DO NOT SEE MAR CORN HERE, BUT IS THERE A MAYOR'S LEE REPORT? THERE IS NOT.
WILL WE MOVE ON? UM, SO FIRST ITEM, UM, ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING AT THIS MEETING.
SO I PRESENT TO YOU ITEMS A ONE FOLLOWED MELY WITH A TWO.
THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AT 6 1 5 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
MOST OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
THIS CAME TO YOU IN THE SEPTEMBER COMMISSION MEETING.
WHAT IT WAS IS BACK IN JANUARY, THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLIED FOR A COA TO DO A REAR ADDITION THAT WAS APPROVED.
PROPERTY OWNER ALSO APPLIED TO DO A DETACHED REAR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THAT TOO WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY.
THERE WAS A REVISION TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN JUNE, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET, AND IT WILL BE IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IS WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE INTERIOR, INTERIOR REMODEL, WHEN THEY TOOK OFF THE SHEET ROCK, THE AGENT AT THE TIME AND THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOUND FIRE DAMAGED STUDS.
THIS OCCURRED EARLY IN THE WEEK I WAS NOTIFIED.
I WENT OUT TWO DAYS LATER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE, THEN DISCOVERED THAT IT HAD BEEN COMPLETELY REFRAMED AND THUS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS NO LONGER EXISTENT.
I TOOK PICTURES, A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED AND THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING.
SO IN SEPTEMBER, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAME FORWARD TO APPLY FOR A COA FOR DEMOLITION.
THAT WAS DENIED IN AN ISSUANCE OF A COR, THAT WAS TO DECK AND SHEATH TO STRUCTURALLY STABILIZE IT.
AND WE ALREADY PASSED THE PICTURES, BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT I TOOK PHOTOS OF THE DECK AND SHEATHING THAT, UM, I SAW LAST WEEK.
SO WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND A 80 UNIT.
THE FOOTPRINT REMAINS THE SAME AS THE ONCE EXISTENT
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HISTORIC STRUCTURE.THE ONLY THING THAT'S IS ADAPTED IS THE REAR EDITION THAT ALREADY BEEN BUILT ONTO THE REAR OF IT.
THERE ARE INSETS ON IT, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HAD ENDED AND THE REAR EDITION GOES.
THAT IS WHAT STANDS THERE TODAY.
THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED, BUT THAT IS HERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I WOULD SAY I WOULD CLOSE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STAFF.
RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT APOSTOLOS, AKA PAUL LTOS, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IS ARCHITECT LUIS ENRIQUE ARE HERE AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I MYSELF AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO REQUEST PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OR HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF IN THIS, ON THIS, ON THIS GEN ITEM? SO COMMISSIONER UH, TONY BOSTON.
UH, I LEFT EARLY LAST MEETING.
UH, WHAT WAS THE FINAL DECISION? THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION LAST MEETING.
WAS THE COR APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION OR WHAT WAS THE, WAS IT DEFERRED? NO.
SO STAFF REP, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN SEPTEMBER WAS DENIAL OF THE COA FOR DEMOLITION ISSUANCE OF THE COR TO DECK.
AND SHE IT IN ORDER TO STRUCTURALLY STABILIZE IT.
THE COMMISSIONER AND THE COMMISSION APPROVED IT IN SEPTEMBER.
AND THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE HELP OF PETE STOCKTON.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE A QUESTION? WOULD YOU SPEAK ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? UH, YA HAS A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
SO IN, IN THIS CASE WHERE, FROM WHERE WE LEFT OFF IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, AND THEN ALL, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THIS IS A COA APPLICATION.
SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE CONCLUDED THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION PHASE OF THE DEMOLITION ITSELF, THE ILLEGAL DEMOLITION ITSELF TO BE, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, UH, COA AND IF KIM CAN, I WE DID CONCLUDE THAT IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE DEMOLITION.
AND THIS WAS BEFORE WE CAME TO YOU IN THE SEPTEMBER COMMISSION.
I, I I THINK WE'VE GONE BEYOND THE DEMOLITION QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ALL AUTHORIZED THE SHEATHING OF THE, OF THE NEW FRAMING IN ORDER TO STABILIZE THAT.
UH, YES, BUT WE HAVEN'T, UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DECIDED THAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE ILLEGAL DEMOLITION, THE, THE REPERCUSSION OF THAT.
THERE'S A LIMIT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OR, UM, I THINK, WELL, I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD AT OUR LAST MEETING WERE, UM, TODAY WE ARE, WE ARE HEARING OR WE WE'RE REVIEWING THE, UM, APPLICATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME PROVISIONS THAT THIS COMMISSION MAY ATTACH TO THIS, UM, UH, FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE NA THE NATURE OF YOUR QUESTION.
BUT I THINK IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IF WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL.
WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO, MY QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE GONNA ROLL IT IN, THEN MY, THEN MY QUESTION TO, TO YOU JASON STAFF, IS THAT, UH, I'M, I'M REFERRING TO PAGE 17 OF 23 ON THE, ON THE DISPLAY OR ON THE, UH, OKAY.
THE VERY, THE TOP MOST, UH, I GUESS LAYOUT, THE, THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL ONE, HISTORIC ONE STORY WOOD FRAME.
UH, IT'S THE ONE THAT IS MATCHING THE, THE, UH, COA, UH, APPLICATION RIGHT NOW OR VICE VERSA.
IS THE COA PROPOSED SITE PLAN MATCHES THE, THE DIMENSION OF THE HISTORIC PLAN BEFORE THE INSET.
UH, LET ME REPHRASE THIS BY SAYING THE MIDDLE PICTURE WHERE IT SAYS APPROVED SITE PLAN JANUARY 27TH.
THAT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY.
THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED FOR OCTOBER 10TH DOES MATCH THE DRUG STRUCTURE WITH THE REAR
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ADDITION.AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF JUST TO, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, ORIGINAL, WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOME WAS FORMALLY STANDING.
CAN YOU, UH, REFRESH THE MEMORY OF THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT IS NOW THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FOR THE SIDING? THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SIDING THAT WAS REMOVED AND, AND THROWN AWAY AS WELL AS THE WINDOWS INDOORS AND OTHER EXTERIOR FEATURES? CERTAINLY CAN, UH, AMANDA, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING PAGES? THE MATERIALS THAT WAS PROPOSED STARTS ON PAGE 10.
AND SO WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS COMING FORWARD WITH IS THE SIDING WILL BE A FIBER CEMENT, CEMENT SIDING, SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS.
THE SHINGLES WILL BE, UM, COMPOSITION.
AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ANDERSON WINDOWS AND THESE ARE GONNA BE WOOD CLAD, DOUBLE HUNG, ONE OVER ONE.
THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSAL.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I THINK I'D LIKE TO OPEN, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AND LET THE APPLICANT, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE, UM, WHAT OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, STAFF.
CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHICH, UH, SPEAKER IS SIGNED UP FIRST TO SPEAK? SO THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE THE PROPERTY OWNER, A PAUL LA NATOS.
UM, I, I JUST REALLY WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL AND JUST APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR MY, UH, THE TERM NEGLIGENCE, UH, WAS USED.
AND I, I MENTIONED THAT, UM, ON THE ZOOM CALL WITH ALL OF YOU, I, THE MISTAKES MADE HAVE, HAVE COST ME, UM, A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, THAT'S NOTHING WAS DONE INTENTIONAL.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FOR THE HOUSE IS TO, UM, GET IT RIGHT BACK TO ITS SAME CONDITION, UM, FROM WINDOWS TO THE, THE SIDING, UM, MATCHING THAT WITH, WITH GROOVES, UH, IN IT TO LOOK AS MUCH AS, UM, THE PREVIOUS, UM, SIDING THAT WAS THERE.
SO I, I DIDN'T, I'M JUST REALLY SORRY.
UM, AND I DIDN'T DO IT ON PURPOSE.
THERE WERE, THERE WAS NO MASTER INTENT BEHIND IT.
UM, MY CONTRACTOR GOT OUT THERE AND JUST STARTED TEARING THE STUFF AWAY.
AND, UM, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME THIS MORNING SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT I'M, I'M JUST REALLY, REALLY SORRY.
AND I, I, TO DO THIS INTENTIONALLY, TO, TO HAVE IT COST ME OVER THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IT HAS AND, AND DELAY MY PROJECT, UM, IT REALLY WASN'T DONE ON PURPOSE.
SO WITH THAT, JUST THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS SPECIAL HEARING FOR ME THIS MORNING.
UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D LOVE TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE THERE ANY CAPTION MEMBERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? OKAY.
UH, IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP? YES, WE HAVE THE ARCHITECT LUIS ENRIQUEZ.
HE WAS ON THE APPROVED COAS BACK IN JANUARY.
HE WAS BROUGHT IN AFTER THE FACT.
AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR BEING BROUGHT IN, UH, FOR THE SECOND PART AS WELL.
AND, UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING BESIDES BEING A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER FOR 30 YEARS.
I'M ALSO A, UM, FACULTY PROFESSOR FOR A LOCAL COLLEGE, AND I'VE BEEN DOING DESIGNS ALL OVER HOUSTON, IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS.
IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE TO ME.
UH, BUT UNDERSTAND ALL THE GUIDELINES AND CONCERNS AS FAR AS KEEPING THE HISTORIC SIDE OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE THINGS RIGHT.
I'VE DONE BUILDINGS AND DESIGNS ALL OVER HOUSTON AND THE FACT THAT I TEACH THESE LEARNING EXPERIENCES BACK INTO THE CLASSROOMS, I TEACH OVER A HUNDRED STUDENTS A SEMESTER AND I INTEND TO BRING EVERY HARD LESSON LEARNED IN THIS ACTIVITY BACK TO THE FUTURE DESIGNERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS SPEAKER?
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SO IF I MAY QUICKLY, I'VE ANALYZED EVERY PART OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE COMPONENTS IN THE MATERIALS.I'VE BEEN ON THE SIDE AT LEAST FIVE TIMES.
I CLIMBED THE ROOF, LOOKED AT EVERY OPENING UNDER THE STAIRS UNDER THE FOUNDATION SYSTEM.
WE ACTUALLY DONE A STRUCTURAL DESIGN APPROVED BY A STRUCTURAL FRAMING DESIGNER.
I'M DOING EVERYTHING THAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.
IF YOU LET THIS HAPPEN, THIS HARD LESSON HAPPEN, I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF DESIGNERS IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THEY'LL ONE DAY MISS SERVING THIS COMMUNITY WILL DO IT.
STAFF IS ALREADY, ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM? THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND OPEN IT BACK UP TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
SO, AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER SWEENEY LAWSON, PLEASE PROCEED.
SO JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION OF WHAT'S MICROPHONE PLEASE COMING UP, UH, BRIEF, UH, IS ON THE EXISTING HISTORIC FOUNDATION.
MOVE YOUR MIC, MOVE IT CLOSER.
SO THERE WAS A REAL EDITION APPROVED IN JANUARY.
SO I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PLANS.
UH, IS IT THE SAME REAL EDITION IS STILL THERE? OR HAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE INCREASED SINCE THEN? OR HOW DOES, HOW IS, UH, YES MA'AM.
THE REAR ADDITION, UH, HAS BEEN ADDED ON, UM, WITH THE FOUNDATION, UH, AND THE FRAMING AND THE ROOF.
THE REAR ADDITION HAS BEEN ADDED ON, UM, WITH THE FOUNDATION, UH, THE FRAMING, UH, AND THE ROOF INDENTED, UH, PER THE GUIDELINES.
SO IT'S BASICALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UH, WHAT, BASED ON WHAT WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY? YE YES, MA'AM.
AND ALL THE MATERIALS Y WERE ORDERED TO, UM, TO REPLACE THEM IN ADVANCE.
UH, SO COMMISSION MEMBERS, I THINK, I THINK I'D LIKE TO INVOKE, UM, UH, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, UM, PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 UNDER THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO BRING THE COMMISSION INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, A FULL CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR OPTIONS, UH, IN THIS MATTER.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION, BUT, UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM
WE WILL LEAVE THE ROOM TEMPORARILY.
UM, COUNCIL OR COMMISSION WILL RETIRE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE ROOM BACK HERE AND THEN, UM, COME BACK OUT SHORTLY, HOPEFULLY.
IS THERE A COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD, UH, BRING FORTH A MOTION? UH, YAP WOULD LIKE TO BRING IN A MOTION.
UH, UH, THE MOTION BEING THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE ADDITION, UH, BE REMOVED AND THE, UH, CURRENT NEW STRUCTURE BE KEPT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE THAT WAS BEING REMOVED.
UM, AND SECONDLY, THAT, UH, FOR TWO YEARS THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, NO ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES BEING ALLOWED, NEW STRUCTURES BEING ALLOWED ON THE, UH, PROPERTY ITSELF.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER SWEN HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE.
UH, SO ARE YOU, IS ADDITIONAL PROPERTY, DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? WHAT'S YOUR UH, YES.
SO I, I, I MAY NOT GO AS FAR AS A 10 YEAR, BUT I'LL JUST PUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE FUTURE ADDITION IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE,
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UH, OWNER CAN WAIT TWO YEARS TO BILL BOTH, EITHER OR BOTH.MAY I LEGAL COUNSEL, PLEASE CHAIR.
MAY I CLARIFY? UM, YOU'RE PROPOSING, SO A TWO YEAR PERIOD TO, TO TAKE, TO REMOVE THE ADDITION AND THE THEN A TWO YEAR PERIOD BEFORE SOME NO, THE OWNER CAN COME BACK FOR A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE COA APPROVAL.
THEN IT WILL BE CONDITIONAL IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, THE, THE ADDITION IS REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.
AND THE OWNER BE ALLOWED TO FINISH THE HOUSE LIKE AS THOUGH IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH THE NEW IRC 2015 CODE.
UH, THAT IS IN TERMS OF, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THE ADDITION.
IN ADDITION, THEN, UH, THE OWNER SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BILL AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE OR THE SECONDARY, UH, A DU UNIT FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS.
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THOSE TWO? YES, BECAUSE THEIR PLANS MAY CHANGE.
THEY BUILD A 3000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION AT THE BACK LATER.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
THAT, THAT, THAT YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THAT AS PART OF THIS COOC OF A NO.
SO COMMISSIONER YAPP INSTEAD OF THE WORD, UH, A BUILD IN THE FUTURE, YOU, YOU MEAN, UH, RETURN FOR SUBMITTAL FOR A COA FOR WHATEVER THAT AH, YES.
IN THE FUTURE THAT ADVISED MISSPOKE.
THAT IS TO COME BACK WITH A NEW COA FOR THE A DU AND THE ADDITION AT THE BACK IN THE FUTURE.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL, FOR LEGAL.
UM, BUT THE WAY THAT THE, THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, UM, WHEN A DEMOLITION IS INVOLVED, UM, THE BLANKET STATEMENT IS THAT NO, NO ADDITION OR STRUCTURE BE ADDED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 10 YEARS TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
SO THE CITY CODE SECTION 33 2 0 3 D STATES THAT, UM, AFTER THE PERIOD OF TWO YEARS AFTER THE DATE OF DEMOLITION HAS ELAPSED, THE HHC MAY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE OF THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE.
ONLY OF THE SIZE AND DIMENSIONS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR BECAUSE YOU ALL APPROVE THE SHEATHING OF IT AT THE LAST MEETING.
THIS IS SOMEWHAT ALREADY PRESENT.
UM, AFTER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, AFTER THE DATE OF DEMOLITION HAS ELAPSED, HHC MAY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SIDE OF THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE WITHOUT THE LIMITATION IMPOSED BY THIS SECTION.
WHICH, SO, SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT THE, AT LEAST WHAT THE MOTION FROM CAPRA YAP IS, INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM, UH, TEAR DOWN THIS STRUCTURE, REMOVE THE STRUCTURE THEY'VE REBUILT, AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO REBUILD THIS SAME STRUCTURE IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, HE'S MAKING A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE THEY'VE REBUILT TWO YEARS EARLY.
BUT WOULD THE, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN SUCH THAT NO OTHER ADDITIONS CAN BE MADE UNTIL AFTER 10 YEARS, WOULD THAT STILL BE IN PLAY? WELL, IT, UNLESS AMENDED BY THIS COMMISSION, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, IS THAT, IS THAT AMENDABLE OR IS IT THE, THE 10 YEAR REQUIREMENT? IT'S, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT TERRIBLY CLEAR.
AFTER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, AFTER THE DATE OF DEMOLITION MAY, YOU MAY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE OF THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE.
UM, THE PREVIOUS SECTION, AFTER THE PERIOD OF TWO YEARS AFTER THE DATE OF DEMOLITION HAS ELAPSED, YOU MAY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS, UM, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE OF THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE.
ONLY AT THE SIZE AND DIMENSIONS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AND NOT LARGER THAN THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE.
SO NOW I THINK TECHNICALLY THE 10 YEAR PERIOD IS WHAT APPEARS TO APPLY HERE.
UM, COULD SOMEONE COME AND ASK FOR A VARI VARIANCE OR SOME, SOME AMENDMENT TO THAT? WELL, I THINK MY PROPOSAL ALREADY BUILDS THAT VARIANCE.
NUMBER ONE, WHERE IG WHERE I PROVIDE LENIENCY IS THAT I, I ALLOW THE, UH, ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE TO REMAIN AND BE, UH, AND BE CONTINUED IN THE PROCESS.
RIGHT? SO I'M NOT PENALIZING THAT, BUT I'M PENALIZING THE ADDITION AS A, AS A PENALTY.
AND THEN AS THE LENIENCY NUMBER TWO IS THAT, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING 10 YEARS FOR THE A DU, I'M SAYING HE CAN THEN APPLY FOR A COA IN YEAR THREE BASICALLY.
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SO NOT WAIT 10 YEARS.SO I AM GIVING ALREADY A GIVE AND TAKE SITUATION, UH, IN THAT REGARD.
IF THAT'S UNDERSTOOD THE WAY I, THE COMMISSION IS ALLOWED TO IMPOSE OR TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE CONDITIONS WITH, ALONG WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT THEY FEEL MAKE SENSE FOR THE STRUCTURE AND THE DISTRICT, I THINK I'D FALL THERE.
WELL, I'M GOING TO, UM, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? I SECOND IT.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE AGAINST NAY, NAY, NAY.
CAN WE JUST, UH, COUNT THE NAYS? CAN CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? OKAY.
SO I'LL, I'LL RE I'LL RESTATE THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? UM, UM, JUST START, I GUESS STARTING FROM COMMISSIONER? YEAH.
NAY SWEENEY VAS AND NAY CURRY.
SERENA, VASIN, MCNEIL AND JONES.
THAT WOULD BE MINORITY FOR COSCO AND COSGROVE.
FOUR? YEAH, I THINK YOU GET TO VOTE FOUR.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL BE, UM, UH, I, OKAY, SO THAT PASSES FIVE TO FOUR IS THE VOTE.
I HEARD CHAIR BREAKING THE TIE.
WILL WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? WE JUST ADDRESSED THAT ITEM IN OUR VOTE.
I HAVE ANOTHER IS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM.
UH, THIS IS, UM, AGENDA ITEM B, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED 2023 HAHC SCHEDULE.
SORRY, SORRY, I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF IS PRESENTING THAT ITEM OR NOT, BUT THERE IS, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS A PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR 2023.
MS. COLEMAN, DID YOU INTEND TO PRESENT THE 2023 SCHEDULE? HELLO, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN.
I, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO.
I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION DRAFT 2023 SCHEDULE, PLEASE, UH, SEE THE SCREEN FOR THE ALL THE DATES.
UH, AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WOULD REQUEST TO SPEAK, UM, OR COMMENT ON THE SCHEDULE? I KNOW THE SCHEDULE'S PUT TOGETHER BY CITY STAFF, UH, AROUND A NUMBER OF, UM, OTHER MEETINGS AND HOLIDAYS WITHOUT HEARING, UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR THE CALENDAR.
I, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THE CALENDAR.
WELL, YOU, YOU DON'T, YOU COULD ASK IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC IS TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON YOUR AGENDA.
WELL, SO, SO BE, I WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
STAFF, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? NO, SIR.
THEN I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED BY STAFF MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED BY STAFF? IS THERE A SECOND? YEP.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAIN? THAT MOTION PASSES.
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YES.I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT STAFF AND I ARE DISCUSSING.
I UNDERSTOOD COMMISSIONER YAP.
COMMISSIONER YAPS MOTION TO INCLUDE BOTH OF THE ITEMS FOR ACTION OF COA IN ONE MOTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IN OTHER WORDS, APPROVAL OF THE ONE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ABSENT THE ADDITION, BUT THEN DENIAL OF THE, UH, C OF A FOR THE ACCESSORY UNIT IN THE BACK YES.
THE DENIAL OF COA FOR NOW, BUT THEY CAN COME BACK CORRECT.
TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, AND NOT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE GIVE AND TAKE BASICALLY.
IT, IT WAS POSTED AS TWO ITEMS. AND I KNOW WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IT ALL IN, UM, BOTH MEETINGS, UM, ALL AS ONE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.
AND PLEASE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO VOTED YAY WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, PLEASE.
I HAVE ANOTHER, JUST A QUESTION.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REVISE THE PLANS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING SINCE THEY INCORPORATED THE ADDITION.
SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF CAN REVIEW WITH PERMITTING, UM, AS THOSE PLANS GET REVISED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S, IT'S LIMITED TO THAT, THAT FOOTPRINT.
BUT ISN'T THAT A C UH, C CITY OF HOUSTON PERMITTING, THAT'S THE ARCHITECT WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND THE PER THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO PURVIEW ON THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK WE GET NOTICE AT HISTORIC, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR PERMITS.
SO I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD SEE IT, YES.
TO ELUCIDATE ON THAT IS WHEN THEY TAKE THE PLANS TO PERMITTING, THEY'LL GO UNDER STRUCTURAL REVIEW, UH, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION WILL BE INVOLVED 'CAUSE THERE WILL BE HOLDS FROM THIS OFFICE.
WE'LL BE REVIEWING THAT THE PLANS ENSURE THAT IT'S JUST THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE ONCE EXISTENT STROKE STRUCTURE AND THAT THE REAR EDITION WILL BE TAKEN OFF PER THIS, UH, MOTION.
AND ONCE I SEE THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE, I'LL BE STAMPING PLANS AND RELEASING THE HOLD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS MATTER? OKAY, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM C, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION? PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR TAKING, UH, THIS, THIS MATTER, UM, AND, AND TAKING OUT YOUR TIME.
UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, IS, IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD ASK Y'ALL TO, TO RECONSIDER, TO ALLOW THE ADDITION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, THE FOUNDATION'S BEEN THERE.
I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO SHEATH AND DECK TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY WHEN MR. PETE STOCKTON CAME OUT THERE, HE'S ALLOWED ME TO PUT ROOF SHINGLES ON IT.
I WOULD COMPLETELY, I'VE, I, THIS HAS COST ME OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN JUST NEGLIGENT MISTAKES.
AND THE A DU IN THE BACK, MR. YAP, I I COMPLETELY GET THAT.
UM, AND IT, AND IT DOES PUT A, PUT A HINDRANCE ON EVERYTHING.
BUT I, I JUST ASK YOU KINDLY TO PLEASE RECONSIDER AND NOT HAVE ME TEAR DOWN MORE STUFF AND MORE MONEY THAT I'VE PUT IN THE WHOLE ROOF HAS TO BE REDONE.
I PROMISE YOU ALL, I HAVE BEEN PUNISHED AND I'M JUST ASKING, CAN YOU PLEASE RECONSIDER AND ALLOW ME TO KEEP THE ADDITION, TO NOT HAVE TO REPAIR ALL THAT WORK, TO NOT HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE ROOF ALL OVER AGAIN TO NOT HAVE TO TEAR OFF THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN IN TWO YEARS, WHEN I COME BACK TO ASK IF I CAN ADD IT ON THERE, IT'S, I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT OFF AGAIN AND OR IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY UGLY.
SO AGAIN, I AM SO SORRY FOR ALL OF THIS AND ALL THE TROUBLE, BUT I'M PLEASE ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER AND TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE THE ADDITION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE.
I DON'T WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T, I JUST, JUST WANT TO FINISH IT IN.
AND PLEASE, I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU RECONSIDER.
A COMMISSIONER COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IF YOU ARE INCLINED, SO INCLINED.
WELL, I, I WILL, UM, AGAIN, ASK THE COMMISSION, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE TO COMMISSIONER.
BUT, UM, MAY I JUST ONE LAST THING FOR MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW, PLEASE, PLEASE.
THE, THE WELL ALL RESPECT THE ADDITION OF THE BACK.
IT'S ACTUALLY INSET ONE FOOT ON EITHER
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SIDE.IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AESTHETICS FROM STREET VIEW, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE IT BECAUSE I, MY WHIRL IS STRUCTURAL FROM THE FOUNDATION SYSTEM TO THE FRAMING SIDE, THE EXPENSE OF THE ROOFING, IT'S PREFABRICATED TRUSSES.
TRUST, WE CANNOT JUST CUT THE ROOFING BECAUSE THE ROOFING GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE ADDITION.
SO ON THE AESTHETIC SIDE, FROM THE STREET VIEW, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE THE ADDITION.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OUR DECISION TODAY AND ALLOW HIM TO KEEP THE REAR ADDITION, UM, AS THE ONLY CHANGE TO MR. YAPS, UM, PREVIOUS MOTION.
I, I SECOND THAT FROM A MATERIALS POINT OF VIEW, ALL THAT'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE AND REDUCING THE CARBON FOOTPRINT.
SO YES, I SECOND THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO IN THIS CASE, IF WE ALLOW FOR THE, UH, THE ADDITION TO BE KEPT, SO WHAT ABOUT THE PENALTY FOR THE A DU? ARE YOU STILL STAYING ON THE TWO YEARS OR ARE YOU STAYING ON THE 10 YEARS? TWO YEARS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, TRI ASKING AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
WHEN WE ARE REQUESTING THE COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER, SINCE WE ARE THE RECONSIDERATION IS KEEPING THE AUDITION, CAN WE ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR IF WE PASS THAT MOTION? I THINK IF WE OPEN THIS UP, WE'LL, WE'VE OPENED IT UP, BUT, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO VOTE FIRST ON THE MOTION MOTION TO RECONSIDER, AND THEN ONCE YOU OPEN IT UP, I THINK YOU CAN OPEN IT UP.
SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECONSIDERING THE ITEM.
AND I'M GONNA DO A SOUND OFF AGAIN, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER YAPP.
AGAIN, THE, THE, THE PENALTY FOR THE A DU IS TWO YEARS.
WELL, WELL, THIS MOTION IS JUST TO RECON, RECONSIDER THE MOTION OPEN FOR MAKING A MOTION ON THE OKAY.
UM, AND WAS THAT ONE NAY WITH COMMISSIONER COUCH? YES.
SO COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU MADE THIS MOTION.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, UH, COMMISSIONER YAP.
ABOUT THE, PURSUANT TO THIS LINE, UH, TO THE PENALTY OF, UH, TWO TO 10 YEARS OR MATCHING WHAT IS STATED IN THE ORDINANCE? MY, MY LINE OF THINKING IS WE'VE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THIS ADDITION AND WE APPROVED HIM PUTTING SHEATHING ON IT.
AND HE'S DONE EVERYTHING THAT PETE STOCKTON'S TOLD HIM TO DO.
SO TO TEAR OFF EVERYTHING THAT HE'S ALREADY INVESTED IS JUST MORE MATERIALS BACK INTO THE TRASH, WHICH IS NOT HELPING ANYBODY.
AND THAT THE PUNITIVE ACTION OF RESTRICTING ANY OTHER WORK, ESSENTIALLY ON THAT PROPERTY, EXCEPT FINISHING HIS HOUSE FOR TWO YEARS, IS, UH, FAIR.
AND JUST FOR WHAT'S GOING ON, EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE STATES IN WRITING THAT NO ADDITIONAL WORK SHOULD HAPPEN FOR 10 YEARS.
IN ADDITION, I THINK 10 YEARS DOESN'T SERVE THE HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.
WHERE, WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THE, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING LIKE TWO THINGS IN ONE MOTION.
SO WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? I NEED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT A TWO YEAR PENALTY OR YOU WANT A 10 YEAR PENALTY.
NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, DO WE WANNA HAVE A MOTION? PERHAPS I'LL JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
I'M, I, I, I HEARD YOU STATE THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT A TWO YEAR PENALTY WAS FAIR ON THE A DU.
IF THE ADDITION WAS REMOVED, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU IF THE ADDITION WAS REMOVED.
WELL, SO I HAD A GIVE AND TAKE TAKE.
I THINK YOUR PENALTY FOR AN A DU FOR, FOR NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OTHER WORK ON THE, ON THIS PROPERTY EXCEPT FINISHING THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS TODAY.
I BELIEVE THAT TO BE A FAIR AND JUST PENALTY FOR THIS GENTLEMAN.
AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD, UM, WHAT I HEARD IN THE DISCUSSION WAS IF, UM, FROM MR. MR. YAPS POINT OF VIEW WAS THAT IF, IF THE DECISION WERE TO BE, TO MAKE, KEEP THE ADDITION AS CURRENTLY FRAMED, HE WOULD ADJUST.
HE WOULD ADJUST, UM, AND MATCH WHAT IS STATED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT NO OTHER CONSTRUCTION BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 10 YEARS PER THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU ARE HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
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FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.I JUST PUT FORWARD WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARD IN A GOOD WAY.
SO BECAUSE I CAME UP WITH THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS A, AS A, AS AN APPEAL BY THE, UH, OWNER AND HIS ARCHITECT, UH, I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER KEEPING THE ADDITION, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE PENALTY FOR THE A DU TO BE 10 YEARS.
THERE'S NO OTHER STRUCTURE ON THIS EXCEPT FOR THE HOUSE AND THE ADDITION.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THAT, UH, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF PENALTY.
IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION? I DON'T KNOW.
HE, I THINK, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR MOTION IS NOT BEEN SECONDED YET, SO CORRECT.
YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE MY MOTION, PLEASE? YES.
SO MY MOTION IS TO, UM, KEEP THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH THE ADDITION AND ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COA TO FINISH THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WITH A TWO YEAR PENALTY OF NO OTHER WORK ON THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR TWO YEARS.
IS THERE A SECOND?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE OF, UM, TO SOUND OFF.
COMMISSIONER Y ME, WOULD YOU MIND SAYING FOR OR AGAINST, IT'S REAL HARD TO HEAR THE YAYS AND NAYS.
FOR FOUR AGAINST, FOR AGAINST, AGAINST
MR. CHAIR, YOU'RE THE BIG BUCKS.
UM, SO, MR. CHAP, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? COULD I YES.
YOU COULD TAKE THESE AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
WELL, I CAN MAKE, I CAN SIMPLIFY IT.
WELL, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SEP TO MAKE THEM SEPARATE.
I THINK THAT, UM, I HEARD ANOTHER MOTION JUST A MOMENT AGO.
AND SO, UH, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION THAT YOU WERE, UH, CONSIDERING.
UH, AS, AS FURTHER COMPROMISE TO THE OWNERS, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION, WHICH MEANS THE CURRENT, UM, APPLICANT'S FOOTPRINT BE ALLOWED, UH, AND TO CONTINUE, UH, TO ITS COMPLETION WITH THE CONDITION THAT NO OTHER STRUCTURES, UH, BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WHETHER IT'S AN ATTACHMENT TO THE HOUSE OR A SEPARATE DWELLING.
AND IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? CURRY SECONDS.
UM, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER GAP.
I, I'LL NOTE THAT THAT MOTION PASSES AND IT PASSES ESSENTIALLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 33, 2 0 3 D OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US.
AND MS. MICKELSON TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT, UH, SINGLE MOTION COVERS THE, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF COA FOR BOTH ITEMS. A ONE, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND A ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
SO FOR THE APPLICANT, YOUR REQUEST HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, AS, AS YOUR IN, IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM D UH, COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC.
UM, ONE COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE COMMISSION IS IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE BEEN IN A ROOM TOGETHER, AND I THINK THAT, UM, MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE RETURN TO THIS COUNCIL IN PERSON.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S, SO IT'S, I THINK WE LIKELY SHOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ATTER ATTEND IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY.
BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS VERY LONG, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DIFFICULTIES WHEN WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS NOT IN, YOU KNOW, NOT IN THE MEETING, CAN'T BE SEEN, UM, WITH A, A TECHNICAL STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE AV THAT WE HAVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO
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RETURN TO THE CHAMBERS, UM, SO WE CAN EXPEDITE OUR MEETINGS IN A, IN A MEANINGFUL AND, AND STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY.SO I WOULD, I WOULD, BUT I'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR, FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THE MEETINGS, I THINK ALL EVERYONE SHOULD ATTEND IN PERSON.
WELL, UM, I THINK STAFF CAN HELP US WITH THAT, BUT WE, AGAIN, IT WOULD STILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO STILL, UM, PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD STREAMLINE OUR EFFORTS HERE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
UM, MR. CHECK AND I HAVE, UH, CAN I ASK FOR A SECOND THING? YES, PLEASE.
UH, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THE, THE WINDOW, UM, GROUP HAS MET.
UH, THE, THE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THERE WERE ANY, UH, BASICALLY, UH, PRESCRIPTIVE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS MADE, UH, ON, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE, UM, THAT AREA THAT ALWAYS HAS WINDOW PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
UM, AND PASS IT ON TO, UH, COMMISSIONER COLUM AS WELL AS THE STAFF, AND MAKE THAT AN OFFICIAL, UH, LIKE A, A PACKAGE TO BE PASSED ON TO ALL THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, BY THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND THAT WILL BE OUR CONTRIBUTION TO SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS KIND OF THINGS.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I, I THINK IT IS.
I MEAN, WE, AGAIN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IN OUR LAST, OUR LAST MEETING, UM, THE HOMEOWNERS DO RECEIVE A COMMUNICATION FOR OVER 10 YEARS, EVERY MONTH IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH THAT SAYS THESE THINGS.
I HAVE SPOKEN WITH STAFF ABOUT GETTING, ACQUIRING SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY, UM, LIKE PURCHASING A, A WINDOW, LIKE THE SMALLEST WINDOW THAT THE MANUFACTURER CAN MAKE, BUT HAVE A SAMPLE IN THE OFFICE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY.
UM, I KNOW THAT NOT ALL MANUFACTURERS ARE MAKING ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE THERE, THERE ARE TWO THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US.
AND OFTEN, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THAT WINDOW THAT PRESENTED TO THIS, TO THIS COMMISSION, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE PROFILES ARE.
SO I'VE ASKED STAFF TO CONSIDER, UM, ACQUIRING SAMPLES OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND, UM, EVEN WE'RE ALSO, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GETTING, EVEN GETTING A HISTORIC WOOD WINDOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE NEWLY MADE.
UM, AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THAT, SO I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE WORK IN THE WINDOW CONVERSATION.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, UM, UH, OUR PRESERVATION PRESERVATION OFFICER HAS OPENED, UH, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WINDOWS AND SELF, UM, ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING NATIONALLY.
AGAIN, I THINK PART OF OUR WINDOW DISCUSSIONS THOUGH INTERNALLY IS THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE WHICH IS WRITTEN IN, IN PLAIN LANGUAGE, AND WE HAVE INTERPRETED THAT LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN.
SO I THINK THERE COULD BE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO, UH, OPEN THAT UP, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN A CASE BY CASE, UM, ANALYSIS FOR AN APPLICANT'S PROJECT.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED MORE EDUCATION AND PERHAPS SAMPLES AND, UM, AND TALK ABOUT OTHER RETROFIT THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, AS PART OF OUR EDUCATIONAL, UH, OUTREACH.
AND, UH, I LIKE TO ADD JUST ONE MORE ITEM TO THAT.
I WAS WONDERING IF WE ARE GOING TO, UH, PUT, UH, HAVE STAFF HAVE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL SAMPLES? I'M WONDERING THEN WHETHER THE CITY CAN ALSO MAKE AN EXTRA ONE AND LEAVE IT WITH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OF GLEN BROOK VALLEY.
AND, UH, WITH THEM WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, WHICH I THINK IS A PRETTY ACTIVE ONE.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE VOTE ON THAT? YEAH,
I'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, COMMISSIONER YAPP AND MAYBE FOR ALL OF US, I, I THINK IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT UM, WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL HEARD IT, AND COMMISSIONER COLLIN'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THERE WAS A WORKSHOP SPECIFIC TO THE ISSUE OF ALUMINUM WINDOW REPAIR VERSUS REPLACEMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MAYBE, UH, SOMEONE FROM STAFF IS HERE, WAS, SO IT'S BEEN A WORKSHOP.
THERE WAS ALSO AN OUTREACH AT THEIR 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ITSELF, NOT ABOUT WINDOWS PER SE.
SO I CAN SPEAK TO THE, UH, WINDOW RESTORATION WORKSHOP WE DID.
IT WAS IN JANUARY OF THAT 7, 7 8 4 PECAN VIAS.
AND WE DID HAVE A RECORDED, IT IS UP ON THE PLANE.
I'M SORRY, CAN I STOP YOU? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU
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JUST SAID.THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THE WORKSHOP AND THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING, A PHRASE I DIDN'T CATCH.
OH, IS THAT SEVEN? 7 8 4 PECAN VIAS.
IS IT A SOMEONE'S RESIDENCE? YES.
AND IT WAS RECORDED AND IT'S ON YOUTUBE UNDER THE HOUSTON, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S, UH, CHANNEL.
SO IT IS THERE AND THE GENTLEMAN WALKS YOU THROUGH WHAT THE MATERIALS, THE TOOLS YOU NEED AND WHAT CAN BE DONE.
AND I WILL SAY THAT OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS, I HAVE NOW SPOKEN TO TWO HOMEOWNERS AND I HAVE TAKEN THEM TO THE SITE EPICON VIAS AND SHOWN THEM WHAT THEY CAN DO TO RESTORE THEIR ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
I DID SHOW THEM WHERE ONE LOCATION DID GET CREST MARK ALUMINUM MILL FINISH WINDOWS, AND I SHOW THEM WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND SHOW AND GAVE THEM THE COST ESTIMATE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO A VINYL WINDOW.
SO THE EDUCATION PART IS GETTING OUT THERE BY WORD OF MOUTH AND BY SHOWING THEM WHAT I TALK TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT YES, MORE DOES NEED TO BE DONE.
SO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES KNOW.
I DO WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH THE LANGUAGE IS IN BOTH SPANISH AND ENGLISH, NOT EVERYONE CAN READ SPANISH.
SO IF THEY GET THESE MATERIALS, IF THEY CANNOT READ THE SPANISH, THEN IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD.
SO I ADD THAT WE DO NEED TO HOLD MORE SESSIONS THERE TO SPEAK TO THEM AND GET THEIR INFORMATION OUT.
CAN I ALSO ASK, COULD YOU, UH, SEND TO COMMISSION MEMBERS A LINK TO THAT, TO THAT, UH, YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT YOU MENTIONED? I MOST CERTAIN CAN, I'LL SEND THAT LINK OUT TODAY FOR YOU.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP EXEMPTION.
UH, I JUST FEEL THAT'S NOT OUTLINED CLEAR ENOUGH, AND IT'S, IF SOMEBODY'S ACTUALLY IN NEED OF IT, IT'S SO VAGUE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO KIND OF VOTE ON IT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN BRING MORE CLARITY AS TO WHAT DOCUMENTATION IS? WHAT, WHAT IS ECONOMIC
WE DON'T WANNA
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION REGARDING DEMOLITIONS, WHICH IS MORE CLEARLY DEFINED.
I, I THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT THE, THE BAR IS.
UM, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WITH THIS, UM, THIS ASPECT OF HER WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
YEAH, IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN HAVING, UH, MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, BOTH FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE PROVISION ON ECONOMIC HARDSHIP BEING A RELIEF VALVE, AND OF COURSE THE, THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE UNDER YOUR, UM, CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES A FINANCIAL, UH, ELEMENT THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO, TO JASON'S POINT, WHAT CAN WE REQUIRE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THEIR TAX RETURNS AND, YOU KNOW, FINDING OUT IF THEY REALLY HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE.
I WOULD SAY IT'S MAYBE, NO PUN INTENDED, THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IN A LOT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, ISSUES, YOU KNOW, AND COMMISSIONS AROUND THE STATE.
UM, I KNOW I DEALT WITH IT IN SEVERAL OTHER CITIES, SO IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL TO BRING CLARITY TO IT.
WE'RE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO CHANGE THEIR WINDOWS.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS, YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS.
AND THE COST OF A CREST MARK ALUMINUM WINDOW IS VERY SIMILAR TO A VINYL WINDOW.
SO THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DIFFERENTIATION THERE.
THE LAST TIME WE SAW AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WAS, OH, I CAN'T AFFORD TO RERE REPLACE MY WINDOWS, WHICH WAS A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION.
AND, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, NOT JUST, UM, QUANTIFYING IT SOMEHOW PER CASE, BUT, UM, HAVING IT APPLIED OR MISAPPLIED, I'D SAY TO THE ISSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DID THIS, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT AGAIN, SO I HAVE A HARDSHIP.
I THINK THAT'S THE SITUATION WE SEE IT IN THE MOST.
THAT'S WHERE THEY BRING IT UP.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS, MEMBERS WITH THAT? I, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM E ADJOURNMENT.