* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. [00:00:01] IT IS A [Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on July 28, 2022.] LITTLE AFTER TWO 30 ON THURSDAY, JULY 28TH, 2022. I AM BETH AUER JACKSON VICE CHAIRPERSON OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC COMMISSION OF THE HAHC. AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THE COMMISSION CONDUCTS ITS MEETINGS HERE AT CITY HALL ANNEX AND WITH VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OPTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR WILL BE PRESENT IN THE ROOM BOARD MEMBERS, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC MAY ATTEND IN PERSON OR THROUGH A VIDEO CONFERENCING LINK USING MICROSOFT TEAMS. AT THIS COMMISSION MEETING, APPLICANTS MAY OPEN DISCUSSION AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND MAY BE RECOGNIZED TO CLOSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES. IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I MAY CALL ON YOU FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES WHEN THEY'RE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK. IF YOU DID NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN ADVANCE, YOU CAN SUBMIT A SPEAKER REQUEST VIA STAFF, EITHER BY A FORM HERE IN THE ROOM OR ONLINE IN THE CHAT FUNCTION, AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. IF YOU ARE JOINING VIRTUALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF AND PLEASE ONLY UNMUTE WHEN I'M CALLING YOU TO SPEAK BY NAME. USE THE COMPUTER'S MICROPHONE ICON OR PRESS STAR SIX TO MUTE FROM MOST TELEPHONES. THE MEET THIS MEETING MEETS CURRENT OPEN MEETING LEGAL REQUIREMENTS SO LONG AS A QUORUM OF MEMBERS, OUR AUDIBLE AND VISIBLE WITH A MIC AND CAMERA READY TO BE TURNED ON WHEN SPEAKING. SO I'LL NOW TAKE ROLL CALL COMMISSION MEMBERS, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND RESPOND BY SAYING YOUR LAST NAME AND PRESENT OR PRESENT VIRTUALLY WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME. I AM BETH WEAU JACKSON, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER DAVID EK. COMMISSIONER ANN COLLUM, A COLUMN PRESENT, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER JOHN COSGROVE, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, YOU'RE ONLINE TODAY? YES. VIRTUALLY PRESENT. I DON'T SEE YOU IN THE ROOM. COMMISSIONER STEPHEN CURRY PRESENT. COMMISSIONER TANYA DEBO. COMMISSIONER DEBOSE. PRESENT. OH, THANK YOU. PRESENT BAR COMMISSIONER ASHLEY JONES. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BEN COUCH. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STEVEN MCNEIL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER RHONDA VEDA. COMMISSIONER IL SW SWEENEY VASSEN. PRESENT IN PERSON COMMISSIONER CHARLES STAAVA. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER DOMINIC YAP. A PRESENT, AN ACTING EXECUTIVE SECRETARY NICOLE SMOTHERS PRESENT. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. UM, THERE IS NO CHAIRPERSONS REPORT TODAY. SO MAY I CALL FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. I AM NICOLE SMOTHERS, ACTING SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION TODAY AND DEPUTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON UNDER THE SPEAKER'S GUIDELINES. AS ALWAYS, THE AGENDA IS AVAILABLE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM AND IT INCLUDES PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES. BASICALLY, PLEASE ONLY SPEAK WE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR. YOU CAN SPELL OUT A, FILL OUT A SPEAKER FORM OR TYPE YOUR NAME AND ITEM INTO THE CHAT TO BE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK AT THE RIGHT TIME. PLEASE STAY MUTED UNLESS RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU. IT'S STAR SIX ON MOST PHONES. TO UNMUTE, HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF OUR JUNE PRESERVATION WORK THAT IS BEYOND TODAY'S AGENDA. THERE ARE NO NEW LANDMARKS TO REPORT AT THIS TIME. UH, AND AN APPEALS BOARD MEETING WAS HELD ON MONDAY, JULY 11TH AT 9:00 AM THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY OVERTURNED THE DECISION OF THE HAHC FOR A C OF A FOR 6 0 3 EUCLID STREET IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. DUE TO NOT FINDING SIGNIFICANT DESTRUCTION OF EXISTING HISTORIC MATERIAL. YEAR TO DATE STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 186 APPLICATIONS THROUGH JUNE OF 2022 WITH 37 RECEIVED LAST MONTH SO FAR THIS YEAR. THIS COMMISSION HAS CONSIDERED 66 OF THESE 186 APPLICATIONS THIS PAST MONTH. STAFF REVIEWED SIX ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS WITH 48 AS THE JUNE YEAR TO DATE TOTAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. PRE-REVIEW STAFF HAS ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR SIX PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS WITH [00:05:01] A TOTAL OF 28 AS OF JUNE, 2022, UH, PER THE ADOPTED SCHEDULE FOR 2022. THERE IS NO HAHC MEETING IN AUGUST. THE NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, WHICH IS EARLIER IN THE MONTH THAN MOST OF YOUR OTHER MEETINGS. PLEASE BE SURE TO SAVE THE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 8TH. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM. THIS CONCLUDES THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU SECRETARY SMOTHERS. UM, NEXT IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE MAYOR'S LIAISON TO THE COMMISSION, MARJO? NOT THAT WE KNOW OF. THANK YOU MS. K'S NOT ONLINE WITH US TODAY. UM, THE PRIOR MINUTES WERE POSTED WITH THIS MEETING'S AGENDA. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THESE MINUTES? YAP MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT MINUTES JONES. SECOND. SECOND OF ALL. OKAY. I HAVE YAP WITH THE MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER JONES SECONDING, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, THE MOTION PASSES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSIDERATION OF IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS. WE WILL HEAR STAFF REPORTS FOLLOWED BY REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND THEN COMMISSIONED DISCUSSION TO FOLLOW STAFF. MAY WE HAVE YOUR REPORT, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS IN THE PUBLIC. I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, THE PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON, AND I RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION. ITEM NUMBER 3, 5 0 8 CORTLAND STREET, A ROOF IN THE HISTORIC, I'M SORRY, IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. ITEM 4 3 3 0 2 WHITE OAK, A SIGN IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL. ITEM 5 3 0 9 EAST 16TH STREET. IN ADDITION, HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL. ITEM SEVEN 2003 UNION STREET, AN ALTERATION IN OLD SIX WARD. HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ITEM 8 8 8 2 3 DOVER STREET, AN ALTERATION IN THE GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. ITEM NUMBER 9 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE, AN ALTERATION EDITION AND THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER TEN EIGHT ZERO TWO WEST TEMPLE STREET, DEMOLITION OF GARAGE IN NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL. THOSE TWO KIND OF GO TOGETHER AND THEY IDEALLY WOULD'VE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT ORDER. WE'RE ASKING TO DEMOLISH A GARAGE AND THEN BUILD THE ADDITION IN ITS PLACE. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 11 1 3 3 5 2 LANE STREET, AN ADDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST FOR APPROVAL. ITEM 13 7 1 1 EAST FIVE AND A HALF STREET NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT DENIAL. AND ITEM 14 7 6 9 EAST FIVE AND A HALF STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR DENIAL. THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE ITEMS. AND JUST TO POINT OUT THEN, THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING FOR INDI THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION WOULD BE ITEMS 1, 2, 6 AND 12. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, MR. MCALLEN. UM, NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL IN ANY SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ANY OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED. UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE, UH, SPEAKER WHO REGISTERED WITH US, UH, FOR AGENDA ITEMS 13 AND 14. DON'T, DON'T WE HAVE TO VOTE FIRST. MAKE A MOTION TO MICROPHONE PLEASE. UH, SORRY. DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT BEFORE WE INVITE THEM TO SPEAK? DO WE? YOU CAN ASK FOR ANY ITEMS DO WE REMOVED FROM THE VOTE AT THIS TIME? FROM COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. OR FOR PER SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS OR ACTION ON THOSE PROPOSED BY STAFF AS THE CON CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH. YEAH. WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE, UH, ITEM NINE. [00:10:05] OTHERS? MCM WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEMS EIGHT AND 13 AND 14. OKAY. SINCE WE WILL BE REMOVING ITEMS EIGHT, NINE, AND 13 AND 14, WE ONLY HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR ITEM 13 AND 14. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM? LET ME REPEAT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IT IS PROPOSED. THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 3 5 0 8 COURTLAND STREET AND APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER 4 33 0 2 WHITE OAK AND APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER 5 3 0 9 EAST 16TH STREET AND APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER 7 2 0 2 2003 UNION STREET APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM NUMBER TEN EIGHT OH TWO WEST TEMPLE STREET APPROVAL. AND ITEM NUMBER 11 13 35 TULANE STREET APPROVAL COMMISSIONER CURRY. SO MOVES YEP. SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION CARRIES. SO NOW WE WANNA MOVE ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND BEGIN WITH OUR STAFF REPORTS FOR ITEM, UH, A 1 14 0 5 ALSTON STREET. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS, UM, YASMINE ARSLAN, AND TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A ONE, WHICH IS 1405 ALSTON STREET, EIGHT HOUSTON HEIGHTS, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY, UM, INCLUDES A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW RESIDENCE, CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920. AND, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UM, HEARD BY YOU, UM, IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION LAST, UM, MONTH, AND IT WAS DEFERRED TILL THIS MONTH. UM, THE, THE PROJECT IS AN EXISTING 2,605, UH, 6 56 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE. THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IS A TWO STORY FRAME STRUCTURE ON APPEARING BEAM FOUNDATION. THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS REMODELED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER WITHOUT THE HAHC APPROVAL OR A CITY OF HOUSTON PERMIT. THE, THE APPLICANT, THE NEW OWNER IS PROPOSING THE FOLLOWING, BRINGING THE T ONE 17 WOOD SIDING WITH 2.5 INCHES EXPOSURE BACK TO THE HOUSE, INSTALLING NEW WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCHED THE ORIGINAL TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. THE CURRENT NON-ORIGINAL TWO FLOOR ADDITION HAS A GABLE ROOF FACING THE FRONT AND REAR OF THE HOME. THE FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A SMALLER HIP ROOF. ALL WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION WILL BE ONE OVER ONE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. THREE ORIGINAL CORNERS ARE MAINTAINED AND THE FOURTH ONE WILL BE EMPHASIZED WITH A VERTICAL TRIM BOARD AND A ROOF DETAIL. THE PROPOSED DESIGN MEETS FAR AT THIS TIME AS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONDITIONED SPACE IN THE ATTIC HAS BEEN REMOVED. THE, THE PROPOSAL STILL, UM, DOESN'T MEET, UM, SOME OF THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS FOR HOUSTON DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, WE STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT, UM, THAT IS ATTACHED. WE THINK COMMISSIONER UM, YAP FOR HELPING AND BEING ON THE DESIGN REVIEW AT MULTIPLE DESIGN REVIEWS WITH THE APPLICANT AND OWNER. NOW STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, DENIAL OF CFA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR PROPOSED WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS TIME WE DO HAVE, UM, SEVERAL SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ARE WE GONNA, SO WE WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. UM, AND I WILL START WITH THE THREE THAT WE HAVE SPEAKER FORMS FOR. UM, I BELIEVE THE OWNER ELLIE SELF IS HERE, UH, AND BRANDON SELF. [00:15:01] WE ALSO HAVE JUSTIN PATTERSON AND JIMMY CHEN. MS. SELF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM? THANK YOU. YES. YES, WE HAVE THAT. UM, THIS IS ROMAN, UH, STAFFER COLEMAN, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE PRESENTATION FROM THE, UH, OWNERS. SOMEONE ? YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST SAY GO FORWARD. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. HI. HI, I'M ELLIE SELF. I'M THE OWNER OF 1405 ALSTON. UM, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES. WE'RE FAMILY. UM, MY HUSBAND BRANDON, AND I'M ELLIE. WE HAVE, UM, A LITTLE BOY AND A LITTLE GIRL ON THE WAY. UM, WE LIVE ON WEST 12TH STREET, HISTORIC BUNGALOW AND WE'RE JUST OUTGROWING IT. SO WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ON 1405 ALSTON. UM, I AM A CIVIL STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WITH 12 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE LICENSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WITH NEXT SLIDE. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY FAMILY. MY GRANDPA, UM, STARTED MOVING HOUSES IN THE FORTIES, UM, AND NOW THE FAMILY BUSINESS IS A THIRD GENERATION, UM, MEGA TRANSPORTER. SO WE HAVE SOME BACKGROUND ON MOVING OLD HOUSES AND LIFTING UP AND PUTTING THEM BACK TOGETHER. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UM, MY HUSBAND BRANDON SELF HAS, UM, AN EXPERTISE IN RESIDENTIAL ELEVATORS AND AS WELL AS, UM, GENERAL CONTRACTING FOR GOVERNMENT HOUSING. UM, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE FIXING ON THE BUNGALOW. UM, WE'RE REPLACING THE SIDING THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. UM, WE ARE REPLACING THE WINDOWS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, BUT NEW WOOD WINDOWS. UM, WE ARE ADDING THIS WALL TO MEET THE FAR, UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THIS NEW ROOF LINE TO SHOW THAT THE ADDITION ISN'T AS, UM, IT'S MORE SUBTLE, CREATING THE FOCUS ON THE EXISTING, UH, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOW. AND FIVE, UM, WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON MEETING THE INSET REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING, UM, TASKS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE I'M SHOWING THAT THE ADDITION IS ALREADY BUILT, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF LINE. SO THE ROOF LINE WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED, UM, RECONFIGURED WITH THE INSET OF THE WALL AND, UM, SO THE ROOF FRAMING WOULD NEED TO CHANGE AS FAR AS THE ROOFING AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH THAT. UM, AND THEN I'M SHOWING ALL OF THE WALLS, SECOND FLOOR, FIRST STORY, EVERYTHING IS FRAMED UP. EVEN INSULATION IS THERE ALREADY. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REDONE. AND THEN I'M SHOWING THE FLOOR FRAMING, THE FLOOR BEAMS. EVERYTHING IS EXISTING ALREADY, SO ALL OF THE FLOOR FRAMING WOULD HAVE TO BE REDONE. UM, MOVING THE EXTERIOR WALL, UM, SUPPORT AND ALL OF THE FLOOR JOISTS. AND THEN I'M SHOWING ENGINEERED, UM, PIERS. THERE'S ACTUALLY CONCRETE POURED IN THE GROUND WITH REBAR THROUGH THE PEDESTAL, THROUGH THE PIERS. UM, SO ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEMOED. AND THEN NEW FOUNDATIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE POURED WHEN THE INSET IS TWO FOOT MOVED TWO FEET. UM, AND THEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTABILITY TO CONCERNS WITH POURING THE FOUNDATIONS UNDER THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TIME. MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE THE SPEAKER MORE TIME. SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. YOU MAY CONTINUE MYSELF. AYE. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE I'M SHOWING, UH, WE'D HAVE TO DEMO AND REPLACE ALL THE ROUGHED IN PIPING, MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, AND THEN AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION WOULD BE TO CUT THE ADDITION OFF OF THE HOUSE AND LIFT IT UP AND MOVE IT TWO FEET. BUT THERE'S THIS A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR OLD OAK TREE THAT, UM, HAS ABOUT SIX INCH CLEARANCES AS IT IS NOW, SO THAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THE TREE. SO THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE IF WE KEEP THE TREE. UM, AND WE DID HAVE AN ARBORIST COME OUT AND THE TREE IS IN GOOD HEALTH AND WE GOT IT TRIMMED AND WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT. AND THEN FINALLY, TO SUM IT UP, ALL OF THOSE TASKS, OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT [00:20:01] CONSIDERED IN OUR BUDGET AND WOULD BE VERY PRICEY JUST TO MOVE THIS WALL. TWO FEET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OUR OTHER CONCERNS IS THAT THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN IN THIS STATE AND UN UNWEATHERED IN FOR OVER A YEAR. SO THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WHERE RAIN IS JUST COMING IN. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE'D HAVE TO REPLACE DUE TO WEATHER AND, AND OTHER CONCERNS, UM, WITH IT SITTING LIKE THIS, LIKE, LIKE SLIDE PLEASE. UM, AND THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS GOING TO BUILD A, UM, A COVERED BALCONY, UM, BUT THE TREE WAS IN THE WAY, SO THERE'S SITTING WATER THERE EVERY TIME IT RAINS. UM, UM, SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT FIXED AND WE ARE PROPOSING PUTTING A ROOF LINE THERE. AND THEN I'M JUST SHOWING WHAT IS LEFT HISTORICALLY OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S THESE OLD DOORS, ORIGINAL DOORS THAT ARE IN THE GARAGE THAT WE PLAN ON USING IN THE INTERIORS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THE GINGERBREAD TRIM IS STILL THERE, SO THAT WILL STAY. AND FINAL SLIDE. UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DOOR ON THE HOUSE, SO LUCKILY THAT'S STILL THERE AND WE WILL BE KEEPING IT. AND THAT'S ALL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE, BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR NEXT SPEAKER. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MR. SELF. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? GREAT. UM, MR. PATTERSON. CHEN, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JUSTIN PATTERSON WITH BRICK MOON DESIGN. GOOD SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CLIENTS, UM, TO, FOR THE BACK OF A, OF A, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, POLISH. THIS EYESORE, UM, ORIGINAL BUILDER AND ORIGINAL CLIENT DID ALL THIS UNAPPROVED WITH NO APPLICATION AT ALL, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF IT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE APPLICATION PACKET, WE HAVE SHOWN YOU OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE ILLEGAL EDITION AND ALTERATION WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY WHEN THE IT WAS PURCHASED BY THE CLIENTS AND WHERE, WHAT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING TO IT TO MAKE IT AS APPROPRIATE AS POSSIBLE BY LOWERING THE ROOF PITCH. I MEAN, UH, THE ROOF RIDGE HEIGHT, UH, TAKING AWAY THE UGLY GABLE, UM, ADJUSTING A FEW WINDOWS, REPLACING THE ORIGINAL SIDING, HARDY IN THE REAR. UM, GETTING THE FAR BACK IN ALIGNED WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN IN OUR POWER TO BEAUTIFY THIS HOME THAT REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO SIT FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL OF ALTERNATIVE. IT WEREN'T FOR OUR CLIENTS THAT WANTED TO TAKE ON THIS, UM, HASSLE AND END UP WITH A GREAT HOME. I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. WE APPRECIATE IT. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL FOR ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT MAY BE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE? ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? I'D LIKE TO, TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF A DENIAL OF COA AND ISSUANCE OF A COR FOR THE WORK AS PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT. THE SECONDS, UH, ACTUALLY MAKE A, UH, SUPPORT AND VOTE DISCUSSION YOU WANNA DISCUSS. I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU WEREN'T PROFESSIONALLY ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS. I WAS ACTING ON CONSULTING AS A COMMISSIONER, AS THE CONSULTING AND, UH, ACTING AS PART OF STAFF, BASICALLY. YES, I THINK YOU CAN. YEAH. THEN I, THEN I SECOND THE MOTION. AND THIS IS FOR, FOR BENEFIT OF THE, THIS IS KIM MICKELSON WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER YAP. AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. UM, WE'VE DETERMINED, AND AS MANY HISTORIC COMMISSIONS DO THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE YOUR EXPERTISE ON A, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE NECESSARY. [00:25:01] I DON'T THINK IT CONFLICTS YOU OUT OF THE ITEM, UM, AT ALL FROM, FROM EITHER MAKING THE MOTION OR VOTING ON IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER COUCH. CAN SOMEONE GIVE JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF, OF THE WAYS THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES? LIKE WHAT SPECIFICALLY? IS IT JUST THAT TWO FOOT SETBACK OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK IT'S THE SETBACK, THE SIDE SETBACK AND THE INSET BOTH, BUT STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US, UM, YES. HI JASMINE, CAN YOU GIVE US EXACT SPECIFICATIONS? YES. SO, UM, THE EVE HEIGHT FROM THIS SIDE, IT DOES NOT MEET THE EVE HEIGHT. UM, THE INSET AND THE SIDE SET BACK AND OF THE FAR, SO THOSE ARE NO, THE FAR IT MEETS THE FART. THEY CHANGED IT. YEAH. YES. BEFORE IT DID NOT. YES, THIS IS, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PROPOSED. UM, IT DOES MEET FAR, UM, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE NO INSET, UM, THE EVE HEIGHT AND THE, THE SITE SETBACK. AND FOR THE SITE SETBACK, I THINK, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT, UM, AS THE CITY OF HOUSTON NEW CODE AND I, I I CUT AND PASTE PART OF THAT FROM THE WEBSITE WITH THE LINK WHERE IT'S, UM, TALKS ABOUT THAT, THAT IT'S OKAY IF IT'S NOT UNDER FIVE FEET, ESPECIALLY THAT THE NEIGHBOR, UM, DOESN'T HAVE A STRUCTURE. IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A POOL NEXT TO IT. IT STILL DOESN'T MEET HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES. BUT I'M ADDRESSING THE, UH, CITY OF HOUSTON CODE, UM, FOR THAT. SO HOUSTON CODE, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET. HOW ARE THEY GONNA MAKE IT FIRE RATED? DO THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE SIDING OFF TO DO THAT? MM-HMM . YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THE WINDOWS THAT ARE FIRE RATED. NO, THERE'S A, YOU CAN HAVE 25% OF IT OPENINGS. THE WALL NEEDS TO BE FIRE RATED. I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE OF THE SIDING PER THE CITY. THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THAT WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING CENTER. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM BRICK MOON. IS IT REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIRE RATING ON A WALL THAT IS LESS THAN FIVE FEET? OR IS IT THREE FEET? IT IS NOW LESS THAN FIVE FEET. SO THE METHODOLOGY WOULD BE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE ORIGINAL HOME SITING IS STANDARD HARDY. WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT. YOU DO FIVE EIGHTS TYPE X JIP BOARD AND THEN YOU PUT THE SIDING BACK ON AND THAT WILL CONSTITUTE A FIRE RATED WALL. AND CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, JUSTIN PATTERSON BRICK MOON DESIGN. SORRY ABOUT THAT Y'ALL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COUCH. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER NA YAP. UH, TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM AT 1405 ALSTON STREET. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SPEAKERS. OKAY, UH, MOVING ON. WE ARE, UM, MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 2 8 25 BAYLIN STREET. CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON? SURE. UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE HOMEOWNERS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF OUR COMMENTS FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING AND, AND WILLINGNESS TO BRING US AND THE CHANGES AND A REALLY GOOD WAY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING WITH US AND, AND THE GREAT JOB THAT Y'ALL DID TO BRING US AND ADDRESS THEIR CHANGES. THANK YOU. I SECOND THAT MOTION. A MOTION MOTION? OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM A 2 8 25 BAYLIN STREET. YES. HI, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN AGAIN. UM, I PRESENT TO YOU, UM, A, UM, ITEM A TWO AT 8 25 BAYLAND AVENUE, WOODLAND HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION. UM, THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A HISTORIC, UM, 2,802 SQUARE FOOT, UM, WITH ONE AND A HALF WOOD FRAME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN A DETACHED GARAGE ON A CORNER LOT. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN, RESIDENT CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1915. IN OCTOBER, 2013, THE COMMISSION APPROVED ENCLOSING THE FRONT BAY OF THE PORT CASHIER, WHICH WAS ADDED LATER. UH, MEANING THE PORT CASHIER. THE APPLICANT IS, UM, [00:30:01] PROPOSING, UH, TO BUILD A SMALL REAR ADDITION AND TO, UH, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR DECK IN THE, IN THE BACK. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING A FEW ALTERATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE PREVIOUS ADDITION. UM, MAINLY, UM, IT WILL BE, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THREE REMNANT BRICK COLUMNS AT THE OUTSIDE CORNER AND, AND REMNANT WOOD BEAM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADDED TO SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR ABOVE A PORTIER ON THE EAST ELEVATION. UM, THEY, THEY ALSO WANT TO, UM, REMOVE A SMALL NON HISTORIC WINDOW AND REPLACE WITH A LARGER ONE ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ON SOUTH AND EAST ELEVATIONS. THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING A NEW BELT COURSE SEPARATING, UH, DEFERRING EXPOSURE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR SITING TO BE INSTALLED AT A HIGHER POSITION THAN THE EXISTING PORCH CASHIER UM, BEAM. AND SO TO SUMMARIZE, UM, MOST OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, REPLACING, UM, THE WINDOWS WITH ONE OVER ONE ON ALL THE ADDITION PART. AND THEN THERE ARE THREE PAIRS OF, THERE'S A PAIR OF THREE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION THAT THEY, THEY ARE ONE OVER ONE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THEM WITH, UM, THE ORIGINAL, UM, TO, TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY RETAIN THE REMNANT BRICK COLUMNS AT OUTSIDE CORNER AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, THE OWNER AND, UM, THE ARCHITECT. THANK YOU. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THE CONDITION IS TO KEEP THE BRICK COLUMNS. DOES IT ADDRESS THE, UM, THE, UH, ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE, THE TRIM BOARD? THE HORIZONTAL TRIM BOARD? UM, YES, BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE. IF THEY REMOVE IT, THEN IT, IT, IT WON'T STAY THE SAME. SO YES, MY APOLOGIES IF THAT'S NOT, UM, MENTIONED THERE. IF THE COMMISSION CAN ADD THAT IF, IF THEY GO WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S INHERENT. I JUST WANTED TO TO POINT THAT OUT. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE DO HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS, UH, SIGNED UP, UM, FOR 8 25 BAYLAND, MR. BROW AND MR. MCDONALD, WOULD YOU PLEASE APPROACH AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? SHOULD I DO THAT AGAIN? YEAH, I'M . HI, I AM. I'M BRUCE MCDONALD, M-C-D-O-N-A-L-D. AND WOULD YOU MIND DISPLAYING THE SLIDE THAT HAS FROM THE BACK OF A PACKAGE THAT HAS 2013 EDITION THERE IN PARENTHESES? COUPLE MORE. AND YOU'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. MCDONALD? YES. MADAM CHAIR. UH, MY WIFE CATHERINE FOWLER AND I OWN A TWO FIVE BAILIN. YOU COULD GO FORWARD ABOUT FOUR SLIDES. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMISSIONERS. UH, AND OVER WHAT I THINK IS A NARROW ISSUE. THANK YOU TO THE STAFF. UH, WE HAD A VERY POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ROMAN MCALLEN AND, AND, UH, YASMINA ARLAN, YOU, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, WHEN WE WERE PLANNING THIS PROJECT, THEY CAME OUT TO OUR HOUSE. THEY HAD A CUP, HAD A CUP OF COFFEE. THEY SHARED THEIR VIEWS ON THE PROJECT. AND AS A FORMER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD GOVERNMENT. UH, AT THAT MEETING, ROMAN SAID, THIS IS THE MOST MODEST RENOVATION THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE SEEN ALL YEAR. SO LET ME GIVE A, A LITTLE HISTORY. UH, AS YASSIN SAID IT, UH, IT'S A CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW BUILT ABOUT 1915 THEREAFTER, SOMETIME BEFORE 1965, THE THEN OWNER EXTENDED THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH, THE NORTHEAST, ADDING A CARPORT AND A SECOND FLOOR ABOVE. IN 2013, ANOTHER OWNER ENCLOSED PART OF THAT CARPORT, BUT LEAVING THE BRICK COLUMNS THAT HAD HELD UP THE CARPORT. THE NARROW DISAGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE STAFF IS WHETHER TO RETAIN THESE COLUMNS. THE CARPORT IS GONE, THE COLUMNS ARE NOT COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL. AND AS MR. MCNEIL ESPECIALLY WOULD APPRECIATE THIS WILL CAUSE SOME REAL CONSTRUCTION PROBLEMS WHEN WE GET THERE. I CONCEDE [00:35:01] THIS IS SUBJECTIVE BASED ON CRITERIA NOT ALL OF WHICH CAN BE FULLY SATISFIED. UH, AFTER ALL, THE STAFF HAS BEEN OF TWO MINDS ABOUT THIS FIRST THING. WE COULD REMOVE THE COLUMNS SO LONG AS WE USED THE LATER STYLE WINDOW THROUGHOUT THE NEWER PART OF THE HOUSE, THAT WAS THE AIR CONDITION, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS A GOOD IDEA AND WE AGREED TO IT. BUT THEN LAST WEEK, HAVING A SUPERVISOR REVERSE THAT TO RECOMMEND THAT THESE NOW ISOLATED BRICK COLUMNS BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC. OUR VIEW IS THAT THE UNC CRAFTSMAN, LIKE PRE 1960S EDITION, ACTUALLY DIMINISHED THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE 1951 STORY BUNGALOW. THIS THEN WAS EXACERBATED BY THE ESPECIALLY BAD 2013 FILLON. WE SUBMIT THAT YOUR PRESERVATION GOALS ARE NOT BEST SERVED BY PRESERVING THE COLUMNS TO THE CARPORT THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. I READ THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE, THE DRAFT GUIDELINES, AND THEY SAY TWO THINGS THAT SEEM IMPORTANT HERE. FIRST, THE PERIOD OF FOCUS IS 1910 TO 1930. THIS EDITION, THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF ALL OUR DISCUSSION HERE, APPEARS TO BE FAR LATER. AND TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED UNTIL 1965. SECOND, THE, THE CUMULATIVE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF RENOVATIONS CAN UNDERCUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE OVERALL STRUCTURE. WE SUBMIT THAT BOTH ADDITIONS UNDERCUT WHAT IS MOST PRESERVATION WORTHY ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS BUNGALOW. AND WE SUBMIT THAT OUR PROPOSAL CONTRIBUTES TO THE BUNGALOWS OVERALL INTEGRITY WHILE STILL SIGNALING THAT THE PRE 1960S EDITION WAS AN ADDITION TIME. MOTION TO GRANT THE SPEAKER MORE TIME. YOU GOT SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. OUR PROPOSAL ALSO MEETS YOUR APPROVAL CRITERIA, EXCEPT ARGUABLY IT REMOVES THESE BRICKS. BUT THE BRICKS ARE NOW ISOLATED FROM THE CARPORT THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED. AND WE WILL REUSE THE BRICKS IN, IN PAVERS AS WE START TO TAKE UP CONCRETE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND AROUND THE HOUSE. SO CONCLUDING WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR THE STAFF AND FOR OUR SHARED PRESERVATION GOALS IN 50 YEARS, A PRESERVATION MINDED OWNER AND PRESERVATION MINDED NEIGHBORS WILL VALUE OUR EFFORTS TO REPAIR THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOWS INTEGRITY MORE THAN IF WE RETAIN THESE PIECES OF A NON HISTORICAL AND NO LONGER EXISTING PRE 1960S CARPORT. SO HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS NOW OR WHEN I HAVE TWO MINUTES AT THE END. AND YOU PROBABLY THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKER? YOU PROBABLY KNOW ARCHITECT PAUL, BRO. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CONNECTION TO THE PROJECT. SURE. FOR THE RECORD, UH, MY NAME IS PAUL BRO, BROW. AND I'M, UH, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT AT, UH, 8 25 BAYLAND. UM, CAN WE MOVE TO THE FIRST SLIDE? UM, 8 25. BAIN'S ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY APPEARS LARGELY INTACT WHEN VIEWED FROM THE CORNER OF BAYLAND AND JULIAN AS PICTURED HERE. UH, THE FEATURES INCLUDED A FLARED SIDING SKIRT WITH MITERED CORNERS, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WITH DENSELY GRITTED UPPER SASHES, AND A HIP ROOF WITH WIDE OVERHANGS AND EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS PHOTO FROM 1965 SHOWS A TWO STORY ADDITION AT THE RIGHT REAR OF THE PLAN THAT INCLUDES A GROUND FLOOR PORTIER WITH BEDROOMS ABOVE THIS, UH, ADDITION IS FIRST EVIDENCED IN THE EARLY 1960S TAX RECORDS. SO BETWEEN THE TIMEFRAME OF THE SANDBORN MAP IN 1960, UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THESE IMAGES SHOW THE RESULTING REAR ELEVATION FROM THE PRE 1960S EDITION THAT HAS DAMAGED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE BY CREATING CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE PURE DETAILING OF THE EARLIER BUNGALOW. PLEASE NOTE, UH, UH, ITEM A TO THE TWO STORY WALL OF SIDING WITH NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION. UH, ITEMS B AND C, THE END TABLATURE EMERGES FROM THE OUTSIDE CORNER OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND IT'S BELOW THE TOP OF THE TYPICAL WINDOW TRIM, SETTING UP THE CONFLICT ITEM D. THE FACE OF THE BRICK COLUMNS IS BEYOND THE FACE OF THE WALL ABOVE, BUT NOT FAR ENOUGH OUT TO ABSORB THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOWS FLARED [00:40:01] SKIRT AND ITEMS E AND F. THE ORIGINAL OUTSIDE CORNER HAS BEEN HAPHAZARDLY ALTERED BY CUTTING OFF THE ROOF EVE AND ADDING CORNER BOARDS TO DEAL WITH THE NEW WALLS ABOVE. AND THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, THESE IMAGES SHOW THE RESULTING FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS FROM A 2013 EDITION, UH, THAT BRUCE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. UH, THAT DIDN'T FILL THE PORTION OF THE PORTICO SHARE FURTHER DAMAGING THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UH, PLEASE NOTE ITEMS A THAT, UH, STEEL COLUMNS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ADDED TO ADDRESS STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES WITH THE BRICK COLUMNS. ITEM B, THE FLARED SIDE SKIRT AND ARTFULLY WRAPS AND COLLIDES WITH THE REMNANT BRICK COLUMNS IN ITEM C AND D. THE, UH, ORIGINAL AND TABLATURE HAS BEEN VIOLATED BY THE MODERN WINDOW TRIM AND THE BATHROOM VENT FAN GRILLS SLIDE PLEASE. OUR PROPOSED ALTERATION LOOKS AT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE AS A WHOLE AND ATTEMPTS TO RESTORE THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOW BY ADDRESSING THE VARIOUS UNRESOLVED CONDITIONS LEFT BEHIND. BY THE PREVIOUS ADDITION, WE PROPOSED THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT BRICK COLUMNS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN ANYWAYS, UH, TO BE STRUCTURALLY STABILIZED. AND THEN THEY'LL WE'LL NEED TO ESTABLISH A PROPER BUILDING ENVELOPE. SO WHAT WE'LL BE PUTTING BACK WOULD ULTIMATELY JUST BE A DECORATION, A BRICK STRIPE ON THE ELEVATION. OUR ALTERATION WILL ALSO ESTABLISH CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY BUNGALOW AND THE LATER TWO STORY EDITION WITH CONTRASTING WINDOW PAINTING CORNER BOARDS ON THE ADDITION AND THE INTRODUCTION OF A HORIZONTAL TRIM BOARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL FIRST FLOOR SIDING HEIGHT AND THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSING THINGS FURTHER. THANK YOU MR. BRA. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER RIGHT NOW? OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS DISCUSSION. UH, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ACTUALLY. OKAY. UH, THE, THE RATIONALE FOR KEEPING THE BRICK COLUMNS, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE? IS THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S, UH, BACK IN, IN THE SIXTIES? IS IT DUE TO A, A DATE AGE HERE? UH, WHAT IS THE ROMANCE WITH THOSE THREE COLUMNS? SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YAP. AND, AND I'M SORRY TO JUMP AHEAD OF STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN, SO IF I LEAVE SOMETHING OUT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. IN FACT, WE DISCUSSED IT, YOU KNOW, UM, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THERE WAS INTERNAL DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND INITIALLY WE THOUGHT THAT THEY, WE WERE OKAY WITH THE REMOVAL. UM, BUT AS ALL THINGS HAPPEN UNTIL WE COME TO THIS TABLE AND PRESENT TO YOU, WE MAY HAVE SOME BACK AND FORTH AND THINK ABOUT IT. BUT I FRANKLY BELIEVE ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED RIGHT NOW WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT STAFF MISSED THAT I'M GLAD THAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT FORWARD. AND THAT WAS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, UH, DRAFT GUIDELINES FOR THE WOODLAND HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT THAT HE MENTIONED AND THEN MENTIONING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. 'CAUSE I BEL I FOR, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WERE LOOKING AT IN FINALLY IN THE END IN RECOMMENDING RE RETAIN RETENTION OF THESE COLUMNS IN THAT THEY TELL THE COMPLETE STORY OF THIS HOUSE AND ITS ADDITIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE SAW THOSE COLUMNS AS BEING ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT OR HAVING ATTAINED SIGNIFICANCE IN TERMS OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OF BEING 50 YEARS OR OLDER. AND THEN THEREFORE HAVING ATTAINED SIGNIFICANCE IS WHAT, OR WE WE TALK ABOUT IN THE PRESERVATION WORLD. SO THAT'S, WE, WE LANDED MORE ON THE SIDE OF BEING, UM, CONSERVATIVE AND SEEING THEM AS SIGNIFICANT TO THE HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. BUT I WILL SAY, JUST FOR ME TONIGHT TO THIS AFTERNOON, UM, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE PERIOD SIGNIFICANT IS, IS MEANINGFUL. I'M NOT GONNA SAY I'M CHANGING ANYTHING HERE, BUT THIS IS, WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT YOU HAD THIS DISCUSSION, BUT DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH. WE FELT THAT THE COLUMNS HELPED TO TELL THE STORY OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS STRUCTURE IN ITS PLACE NOW. UM, AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE WERE WITH THE COLUMNS. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, AS, YOU KNOW, AS ALL OF YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT WORK ON THESE HOUSE COMMISSIONERS, THESE HOUSES, UH, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THESE KIND OF ITEMS TEND TO MOVE AT AND THAT THAT IS A CHALLENGE TO DEAL WITH. BUT THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I GOT FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MCNEIL MOVES TO ACCEPT THE, UM, ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. NO CHANGES. I FOR CLARIFICATION, NO CONDITIONS APPLIED. NO [00:45:01] CONDITIONS APPLIED. SO BASICALLY THEY CAN REMOVE THE BRICK COLUMNS. YEAH. OKAY. UH, I SECOND IT, I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE SPEAK OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THE HOMEOWNER. UM, I, SO I I WAS IN FAVOR, UM, WHEN I REVIEWED THIS OF, OF RETAINING THE BRICK COLUMNS, UM, FOR MR. MCALLEN'S, UM, PER MR. MCALLEN'S EXPLANATION THAT IT TELLS THE FULL STORY, UH, OF THE HISTORY OF THIS HOUSE, WHICH NOW, YOU KNOW, FALLS WITHIN, UH, DEFINITIONS OF, OF HISTORIC BY A MILE. UM, SO I, I RECOGNIZE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK TO YOUR COMMENT THAT IN A HUNDRED YEARS SOMEONE CAN LOOK AT THIS HOUSE AND SEE THE HISTORIC ORIGINAL, UM, SEEING THE GROWTH AND, AND TELLING THE STORY OF THIS HOUSE, I FEEL HAS SIGNIFICANCE AS WELL, UM, AS WE CARRY THIS FORWARD. AND YOU'RE TO BE APPLAUDED FOR YOUR STEWARDSHIP OF THIS BEAUTIFUL HOME. UM, BUT I DO, IF, IF ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS MADE IS DIFFERENTIATING THE ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL, UM, HISTORIC, HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED BUNGALOW, THEN I DO QUESTION CARRYING FORTH KIND OF THE, THE FLARED SKIRT AND THE MIRED CORNERS. AND I'M WONDERING, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE MAKING THE CASE TO ME AGAINST KEEPING THE BRICK COLUMNS FOR, UM, DIFFERENTIATION, THEN, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY ON TRULY, YOU KNOW, GETTING AWAY FROM THE, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND SOME OF, UH, YOUR NEW EDITION? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I'M BRUCE MCDONALD. THE EDITION ITSELF HAS FLARED A FLARED SKIRT. UH, AND, UH, THERE'S MORE OF FLARED SKIRT AROUND THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TOUCHING. AND SO IF YOU TOOK THE FLARED SKIRT OFF THE ENTIRE ADDITION, THE PRE 1960S EDITION, YOU'D BE TEARING DOWN FLARED SKIRTS THAT YOU COULD PUT IN SOMETHING ELSE. IF THAT'S ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION. UH, AND IF I COULD MAKE JUST ONE MORE POINT THAT IT DOES GO TO YOUR QUESTION ALSO, IS THAT THE, I I MENTIONED IN MY REMARKS THAT THE STAFF HAD MADE THE GOOD RECOMMENDATION THAT, LEMME BACK UP. WE HAD PROPOSED PUTTING THE LITTLE GRIDDED WINDOWS AROUND ALL THE AREA WE WERE TOUCHING, WHICH IS FIRST FLOOR. AND THE STAFF POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THE GRIDDED WINDOWS ARE ON THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOW. THE ADDITION HAS THE ONE OVER ONE, SO WOULDN'T MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT 1 0 1 THROUGHOUT THE EDITION. AND WE ACCEPTED THAT AS, AS A GOOD IDEA AND AGREED TO THAT CONDITION. UH, BECAUSE IT DOES SIGNAL THAT THE ADDITION IS AN ADDITION. UH, THE O OTHERWISE THOUGH THE FLARED SKIRT AND THE MITRE CORNERS ARE FOUND IN OTHER PLACES ON THE ADDITION, UH, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT FOUND OBVIOUSLY, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WELL THE FLARED SKIRT IS THE, EVEN THOUGH THE MITRE CORNERS AREN'T FOUND WHERE THE BRICK COLUMNS ARE. WHAT, WHAT ABOUT JUST TAKING OFF THE FLARED SKIRT UNDER THE CARPORT AREA? BECAUSE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ADDED IT IN THE 2013 EDITION WHEN THEY FILLED IN PART OF THE CARPORT. AND IT WASN'T HISTORICALLY EVER KIND OF A PRECEDENT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY WE DO THE GUIDELINES, WE WOULD WANT THAT TO BE A MORE SIMPLE, JUST A FLAT WALL AND THEN THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THE ISSUES WITH TRYING TO MEET THE COLUMNS AND THINGS. I ALSO, I'M LOOKING AT THE COLUMNS, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE STRAIGHT. I DON'T SEE CRACKS. SO DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND? LIKE, LIKE IS THERE A SURVEY OR AN ENGINEER'S REPORT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA FALL DOWN IMMINENTLY? 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN STANDING FOR 60 PLUS YEARS NOW. THE LATER OWNER HAD TO ADD STEEL COLUMNS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO, BETWEEN THE LAST TWO COLUMNS. SO, BUT IF THE STEEL COLUMN'S ALREADY THERE, THEN IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, THEY COULD JUST BUILD AROUND THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT SOLVING THE PROBLEM? UH, IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL FIND IN THE FRONT PART WHEN WE TEAR THAT WALL OUT. WE DO KNOW THAT IN THE BACK PART, AT LEAST THE, THE TWO COLUMNS THERE AREN'T DOING THEIR JOB. SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY COLUMNS ANYMORE. THEY'RE JUST DECORATIVE, BUT THEY'RE HOLDING UP THE SECOND STORY. RIGHT. WHAT IS HOLDING UP THE SECOND STORY? THE STEEL COLUMNS. SO DO YOU ASSUME THAT THE STEEL COLUMNS COMPLETELY REPLACED THE STRUCTURAL, UH, FUNCTION OF THE ORIGINAL BRICK OR DID THEY THEY AT LEAST PARTLY DID SIR. YEAH, MAN MM-HMM . AND, AND, AND SO CURRENT, I GUESS I JUST, SO THE TRYING TO MAKE THE ADDITION UNDER THE CARPORT LOOK SEAMLESS WITH THE HOUSE KIND OF DENIES THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND LOOKING AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, THIS PRE 1965 EDITION, IT'S KIND OF A TOUCHING WAY TO ADAPT THE HOUSE FOR CONTINUED USE RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING IT OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE TO IT. I, I THINK IT'S KIND OF MOVING TO SEE THEM DOING A SMALL KIND OF SENSITIVE, CLEVER ADDITION LIKE THIS [00:50:01] BACK THEN. AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE FROM THE THIRTIES, WE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S MORE THAN 60 YEARS OLD. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S TELLING THE STORY OF THE HOUSE AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN ADAPTED OVER THE YEARS AND BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AND BROUGHT FORWARD TO MEET NEW REQUIREMENTS. MAY I, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PERIOD OF SIX. SO GENERALLY WHEN THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE AND THE ADDITIONS LATER ADDITIONS ARE NOT VERY COMPATIBLE, IT IS OKAY TO REMOVE IT OR MODIFY IT. WELL, I, I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF THE COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG APPROACH WHERE YOU JUST SCRAPE AWAY EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT FROM 1776. AND I FEEL LIKE PRESERVATION IS MOVING AWAY FROM THAT. YOU KNOW, MY TIME ON THE HISTORIC TEXAS TO COMMISSION, WE'VE INCLUDED A LOT OF THINGS LIKE ANYTHING UP TO 1972 THAT IS THERE, THAT'S ADDITION TO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT YOU THINK THE HISTORY IS WHEN YOU START REMOVING THESE THINGS. I MEAN, UH, TO CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER CASH, I I JUST THINK IN THE FUTURE BEING ABLE TO TELL THE STORY OF THE STREETCAR SUBURB, THE, THE, WHEN AUTOMOBILES WERE INTRODUCED, THE NEED FOR THE PORT RICO SHARE, UM, TRUMPS THE AESTHETICS OF NOT HAVING THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS THERE. SURE. MAY I ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF THE, THE SKIRT TO COLUMN COLLISION? SO, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE SLIDE, THE NEXT SLIDE, PAUL, BRO, THE ARCHITECT. SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE LOWER IMAGE THERE, UM, WE HAVE A COPLANAR WALL CONDITION IN WHICH WE ARE IN FILLING THAT OPEN QUADRANT, RIGHT? THAT OPEN QUADRANT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A COVERED SPACE, IS GOING TO BECOME A BEDROOM. AND SO WE HAVE AT THAT POINT NEED TO EXTEND THAT WALL PLANE, THE EXISTING WALL PLANE TO ENCLOSE THAT INTERIOR SPACE. AND SO WE DO HAVE AN, THAT PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS AN ORIGINAL, IS ORIGINAL, THAT WINDOW WITH THE GRIDDED WITH THE, UH, THAT'S CONCEALED BY THE UMBRELLA THERE. UH, YEAH, THAT WINDOW IS AN ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT IS, THAT IS AN ORIGINAL CORNER OF THE HOUSE. AND SO BECAUSE THE, THE, A ADDITION WAS SET DIRECTLY ON EXTERIOR WALL, I HAVE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE AN EXISTING FLARED SKIRT, WHICH WILL HAVE TO RECONCILE ITSELF INTO SOME OTHER DETAIL AS IT MOVES TOWARDS THE BRICK TO COLLIDE WITH THE BRICK CORNER. IF AS COMMISSIONER SUGGESTING WE LEAVE THE BRICK PLACE, I, I COULD EVEN SEE JUST IN SETTING THE WALL A COUPLE INCHES, THE NEW WALL TO AVOID THAT AND THEN LEAVING THAT EXPOSED CORNER OF THE FLARED EDGE. SURE. AND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, WE'VE CONSIDERED, BUT WE ARE, BECAUSE OF THE MODEST SIZE OF THE, THE ENCLOSURE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A MASTER BEDROOM CRAMMED INTO A VERY, VERY TIGHT QUADRANT. AND SO THE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF EVEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE'RE FIGHTING OVER EIGHTS OF AN, OR, YOU KNOW, LET ALONE MULTIPLE INCHES. AND SO THIS MAY TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A LARGER REQUEST FOR ADDITION IN ORDER TO OFFSET, UH, YOU KNOW, LOST SPACE AND TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RECESS. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. BRO, ABOUT THE, THIS IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN. YES SIR. IS, IS THAT VISIBLE FROM, UH, THE, FROM EITHER STREET? NO, THAT IS A COMPLETELY, UH, INVISIBLE WELL, SO, SO THIS IS A A POINT THAT WE DIDN'T BRING UP, BUT WE HAVE A UNIQUE CONDITION ON THIS LOT BECAUSE WE HAVE 125 FOOT OF FRONTAGE. YEAH. AND SO, AND THIS IS A CORNER LOT. SO THIS 360 DEGREES OF THIS HOUSE IS VISIBLE FROM SOME PERSPECTIVE ON STREET. AND SO TECHNICALLY THAT THE HOLE THAT'S THE COVERED PATIO THERE IS NOT VISIBLE, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ACTUALLY VISIBLE FROM EITHER BAYLIN OR JULIAN. ALTHOUGH TO BE CLEAR THAT THE, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, IS NOT VISIBLE FROM JULIAN OR PALIN. YOUR SITE PERSPECTIVE WOULD HAVE TO BE QUITE LOWER DOWN. YOU'D HAVE TO BE, YOU'D HAVE TO BE 20 FEET TALL TO WELL, BECAUSE OF FENCE, BUT FENCE IS NOT, YOU GUYS DON'T CONSIDER FENCE. OH, YOU SO WITHOUT FENCE, YES. YOU COULD, [00:55:01] YOU COULD VIEW FROM JU FROM JULIAN STREET INTO THAT QUADRANT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A STRUGGLE FOR THIS PROJECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR CON AREA, OUR CONTEXT, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A 50 FOOT LOT FRONTAGE AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY LEAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING STANDING UP. AND IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONERS AND PRESERVATIONISTS HAVE A, HAVE A MUCH STRONGER INFLUENCE ON, ON THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY AROUND AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLY THE FRONT ELEVATION. SO, AND PUT ANOTHER WAY, ANY, ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE REQUESTED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY BACK IN THE PROPERTY. THEY DON'T ENJOY A LOT AS BIGOT. YOURS IT. YEAH, IT'S, I'VE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION. BE FOR THE ARCHITECT OR, OR FOR BOTH OF YOU, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? NO, GO. UM, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, UM, I HAVE NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE TABLATURE IS ACTUALLY LOAD BEARING THAT'S HOLDING UP THE SECOND FLOOR RIGHT NOW SITTING ON TOP OF THOSE BRICK AND STEEL COLUMNS. SO IN THE PROPOSED, UM, RENDERINGS THAT DISAPPEARS AND THERE IS A, I THINK A, A HORIZONTAL TRIM PIECE THAT YOU SAID DESIGNATES WHERE THE ORIGINAL SIDING WOULD END. THAT LOOKS A LITTLE ABOVE THE ROOF LINE RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH KIND OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT? SO IF WE GO BACK TO, IF WE GO TO A PRESENTATION AND I THINK IT'S SLIDE THREE UP ONE UP ONE. OKAY. UM, IF YOU CAN ZOOM, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE TOP PICTURE AT THE OUTSIDE CORNER OF THE, OF THE, UM, A TWO STORY EDITION. DO YOU SEE UNDER THAT ROOF DIRECTLY UNDER THAT CUT ROOF? IN THE CIR IN THE ECI THERE'S A, THERE'S A TRIM BOARD. THAT TRIM BOARD IS WHERE THE TOP, UH, THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF SIDING ON THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY BUNGALOW ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY CUT THIS, I I I SUSPECT THAT THIS LITTLE LEAN-TO IS A ROOF IS ALL THAT'S LEFT OF THE ORIGINAL SECOND GABLE, OR EXCEPT SE SECOND HIP ROOF THAT WENT AROUND THE ORIGINAL OFFSET RECTANGLE. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS THE INDICATE EVIDENCE OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL GROUND FLOOR SIDING STOPPED. SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT 18 INCHES OF SIDING ABOVE THE TIGHTLY GRIDED WHEN DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WOULD BE THE LINE OF THE NEW BAND. AND OUR GOAL THERE IS TO FREE THE NEW WINDOWS ON THE GROUND FLOOR FROM HAVING THAT COLLISION THAT YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE BETWEEN WINDOWS AND BETWEEN THE WINDOW HEIGHTS AND THAT END TABLATURE. IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THE TOP LEFT IMAGE THERE, WHERE THE CIRCLE IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOP LEFT IMAGE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, SORRY, THE LEFT IMAGE, UH, UNDER THE OVERHANG RIGHT THERE. YEAH. JUST KEEP ZOOMING IN. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE A REMNANT HISTORIC WINDOW COLLIDING THAT WINDOW IS AT ONE OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS COLLIDING WITH THAT IN TABLATURE BECAUSE IN TAB IS TOO LOW. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL SIDING, THERE'S ORIGINAL SIDING ABOVE THAT WINDOW GOING UP TO THE LOCATION WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE FUTURE FREEZE BOARD GO. SO THAT'S OUR LOGIC, OUR REASONING WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD. SO TO ANSWER A PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S POINT ABOUT, UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE NARRATIVE ABOUT THE HISTORY. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO USE DESIGN SKILLS AND SENSIBILITIES AND EVIDENCE FROM THE BUILDING TO COME UP WITH [01:00:01] A REASONABLE SOLUTION, WHICH BOTH RESPECTS THE ORIGINAL BUNGALOW AND RESPECTS THE TWO STORY EDITION AND GIVES ADEQUATE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW, THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE WINDOWS OVERLAPPING THE BEAM BY AN INCH OR TWO FOR IT TO BE SIX FOOT SIX OR SIX FOOT SEVEN INSTEAD OF SIX FOOT EIGHT HIGH. DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S THAT MUCH OF AN, I IMPOSITION TO KEEP THE, THE LINE THERE. BUT ON THE, ON THE REAR ELEVATION, DO WE LEAVE THAT BEAM ON? IT DOES SEEM THAT COMMISSIONER COUCH WILL, WILL ALL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THE, THE EFFORT TO PRESERVE THE BRICK COLUMNS NOW IS REQUIRING CHANGES ALL AROUND THE HOUSE. UM, AND IN TERM, IN BALANCING THE VARIOUS CRITERIA, UH, WE'RE, UH, THE STARTING TO INCREASE THE COST ON THE, ON THE, UH, UH, THE INCREASE THE OTHER COSTS JUST IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS. WELL, MR. MCDONALD, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE JIGSAW PUZZLE HERE BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN A TABLATURE IS STRUCTURAL, IS IT NOT ? I MEAN IT APPEARS IT IS SITTING ON TOP OF THE BRICK AND THE STEEL COLUMNS HOLDING UP THAT SECOND LEVEL IT WAS FILLED IN IN 2013. ARE ARE YOU PROPOSING TO FILL IN THE REST OF IT OR TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT AND REBUILD AND REFRAME AND, AND, UH, REASSIGN THAT LOAD UNDER A WALL? THAT'LL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE BEAM? SO THE STRUCTURALLY THE TRIM BOARD IS NOT STRUCTURAL. SO, SO WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT ASSEMBLY IS I, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY SURGICAL DEMOLITION YET. I BELIEVE THE LOWER PORTION OF THAT BOARD, WHICH OVERLAPS THE, WHICH THE WINDOW OVERLAP, WINDOW TRIM OVERLAPS IS THE STRUCTURAL BEAM OBVIOUSLY ABOVE, WE HAVE THREE BATH VENT FANS POKING THROUGH THAT PIECE OF TRIM. SO I THINK THAT SECOND, THAT THE SECOND TRIM BOARD ABOVE PROBABLY MOST LIKELY REPRESENTS THE LEVEL OF THE FLOOR JOISTS. AND, AND FROM A CONVENTIONS OF CONSTRUCTION, WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY LEAVE A LOAD BEARING BEAM, UH, SPANNING 12 FEET AND THEN FRAME A WALL UNDERNEATH IT. SO IN, IN THE WHOLE OF THIS REMODEL, WE HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO STABILIZE THE BRICK COLUMNS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE WITH THE STEEL COLUMNS BEING ADDED NEXT TO THEM THAT THERE'S SOME PROBLEM. WHETHER IT'S THEY CAN'T CARRY THE LOAD, THEY HAVE UPLIFT ISSUES, THERE MIGHT BE RACKING ISSUES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT DEFINITELY THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S TROUBLE. SECONDLY, WE WOULD NOT NORMALLY LEAVE A BEAM IN PLACE AT THAT HIGH POSITION IN A WALL. AND THIRDLY, WE CAN'T LEAVE A MASONRY COLUMN IN PLACE WHICH GOES, WHICH WOULD BREAK THROUGH THE WALL ASSEMBLY BECAUSE THAT WOULD REPRESENT A MOISTURE PROBLEM WHERE WATER WOULD WICK THROUGH THE COLUMN FROM OUTSIDE TO END. SO EVEN IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU GUYS ASK THEM TO US TO LEAVE IT, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE COLUMNS DOWN, FRAME IT A CONVENTIONAL WALL, PUT UP WA WATERPROOFING, AND THEN PUT THEM BACK PURELY AS DECORATIVE ELEMENTS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP THE WATER FROM WICKING THROUGH AT THE, WHERE THE FRAMING MEETS THE BRICK. AND THIS IS ASEN. AND PERSONALLY I'M NOT VERY CONVINCED ABOUT THE WHOLE, SO THIS IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF THIS KIND OF TYPOLOGY, THIS ADDITION AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME WITH THIS BRICK AND CARPORT WAS SEEN IN SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES, YOU CAN SAY THIS WAS A TREND AT THAT TIME. AND THEN THIS PROBABLY THIS ELEMENT HAS ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. BUT IF THIS IS A ONE OFF ADDITION IN A H IN A HOUSE, I AM OKAY WITH THE BRICK COLUMNS GOING. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I GUESS BECAUSE IT IS RARE, IT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT THAT THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD SEE IT. CONVERSELY, IF IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THEN WHY WAS THE 2013 [01:05:01] EDITION ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WHERE YOU FILLED IN THE CARPORT? 'CAUSE THE BRICK COLUMNS HAVE NO SIGNIFICANCE AND NO BEARING ON, I MEAN WOULD JUST IS A FILLED IN SPACE. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE AND I SEE THE FRONT AND I HEAR Y'ALL SAYING, OH, WE NEED TO SAVE THE BRICK FOR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, JUST LOOK, LOOKS FOR ME, HAS NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WHATSOEVER. THEY'RE PROPOSED TO KIND OF BRING THE WHOLE THING BACK COHESIVELY TO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FROM THE TWENTIES TO THE FORTIES IS WHAT I OBVIOUSLY HAVE PROPOSED AND WOULD VOTE FOR. I DON'T SEE WHY YOU'RE SAVING THE BRICKS FROM A BAD SIXTIES CARPORT EDITION THAT HAS NOW SINCE BEEN UNDONE. WELL, FOR THE RECORD WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS SIXTIES. I MEAN IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN EARLIER, IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE THE SIXTIES. PRE SIXTIES, BUT YEAH, I MEAN TO, THEY DID KEEP IT IN THE 2013, THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE BRICK STONE. AND SO WE'LL HAVE PRESIDENT FOR KEEPING IT DOING A REMODEL. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE VOTE. I THINK PER I, I'M NOT NOT SURE IF I'M BREAKING ORDER. WE HAVE A ALREADY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND WE HAVE A SECOND. AND THE MOTION. MR. MCNEIL, WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION PLEASE? TO ACCEPT, ACCEPT THE, UH, PROJECT AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? NO CONDITIONS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. AYE. AYE. NAY, THE NAYS BY NAME PLEASE? COMMISSIONER COUCH. COUCH. COMMISSIONER COQUI, DID YOU VOTE NAY, SIR, AN I FOLLOW MY, I VOTED AFFIRMATIVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE ONLY HAVE COMMISSIONER COUCH AS A NAY AND COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON. OKAY, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A THIRD. OH, OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, MOVING ON. UM, THANK YOU. WE NOW MOVE TO, WELL LET ME GET MY THINGS IN LINE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER A 6 41 0 1 LYON STREET. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO A, UM, A PROTECTED LANDMARK. GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE STAFF PERSON JASON AL, EXCUSE ME. I SUBMIT ITEM EIGHT SIX AT 4 1 0 1 LYONS AVENUE AND IS A PROTECTED LANDMARK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION AND A ONE STORY SIDE ADDITION. BOTH ADDITIONS WILL HAVE METAL SIDING. APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO LEVEL AND STABILIZE THE FOUNDATION, RESTORE THE FRONT FACADE, SIGN AND CANOPY, RESTORE THE EXISTING ROOF WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS, REPLACE EXISTING DAMAGED SIDING WITH SIDING THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING AND RESTORE AND STABILIZE THE EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE OWNER ASHLEY RUIZ, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE COMMISSION. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEBO. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YES, MA'AM. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK YOU ASHLEY, UH, FOR BRINGING THIS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, PROPERTY TO THIS COMMISSION. I COMMEND YOU ON, UM, DOING THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, UH, TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY THERE IN THE, UH, FIFTH WARD AREA. UM, THE LEWIS WHITE GROCERY STORE IS, UH, QUITE NEAR AND DEAR TO PEOPLE WHO UP IN AND AROUND THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M, UH, VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR, UH, PRESERVATION OF THIS STORE AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS HISTORY WILL LIVE ON THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THAT BUILDING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, HELLO. MY NAME IS ASHLEY RUIZ. I AM A 9 1 1 DISPATCHER FOR HARRIS COUNTY EMERGENCY CORPS. I PURCHASED THE LEWIS WHITE GROCERY STORE SIX YEARS AGO, UNAWARE OF HER HISTORICAL VALUE. I WAS ACTUALLY TOLD BY SEVERAL CONTRACTORS IT'D BE MORE COST EFFICIENT TO JUST DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO RESTORE IT. HOWEVER, ONCE I WAS MADE AWARE OF MS. LEWIS OF THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED TO MS. LEWIS WHITE IN THE GROCERY STORE, AND JUST THE IMPACT THAT THIS STORE HAD IN MY OWN COMMUNITY, IT WAS A NO-BRAINER. AND BREATHING LIFE INTO THIS BURIED, THIS VERY HISTORY BECAME PART OF MY GOAL. THE LEWIS WHITE GROCERY STORE WILL NO LONGER SERVE THE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY AS A GROCERY STORE, BUT AS AN EVENT CENTER FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY THROUGH MY LLC AND MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, IT'S GONNA BE A COMMUNITY CENTER. SO [01:10:01] WE'RE GONNA HAVE RICH DAD, POOR DAD SEMINARS, ENGINEER ROBOTIC CLASSES, STEM CLASSES, FREE ART CLASSES, ALL FOR THE COMMUNITY, ALL FREE. MY GOAL IS, IS TO UPLIFT MY COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT HAPPENED TO BE HISTORICAL. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I MEAN, COMMUNITY BUILDING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER, ESPECIALLY AFTER TWO YEARS OF PROLONGED ISOLATION. UM, I PLAN TO MAKE THIS BUILDING THE SAFE HAVEN. SHE ONCE WAS IN THE FORTIES, ALL WHILE RESPECTING THE HISTORY, THE PEOPLE AND THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED IN IT. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPEN WITH MS. RUIZ, ASHLEY RUIZ, RUIZ AS THE FIRST SPEAKER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RUIZ. AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DUBOSE. UM, WE'LL NOW OPEN IT FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKER? CAN I MAKE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, OKAY. SO A QUICK QUESTION. SO, UH, THAT FRONT CANOPY OR THE, THE TRIANGULAR SHAPED CANOPY, IS THAT GOING TO BE KIND OF RESTORED? YES, MA'AM. THAT WILL BE RESTORED. AS OF NOW. IT IS, UH, NON-EXISTENT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE FIRST PICTURE TO THE LEFT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO RESTORE. I'M TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL LOOK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY RECOGNIZED IT AS. MM-HMM . SO, YES. THANK YOU. NO, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT IN DOING THIS. IT'S, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING BUILDING. UH, THANK YOU. I JUST HAD NO OTHER, UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS. CAN I MAKE A MOTION NOW? MM-HMM . I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. RE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MS. RUIZ FOR STEWARDING THIS, THIS DENMARK. NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL YOUR HELP HAVE BEEN, Y'ALL BEEN SO HELPFUL TO ME. OKAY. MOVING ON. WE ARE, UH, TO ITEM A 8 88 23 DOVER STREET. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE, UH, A THE, THIS ITEM A EIGHT IS 8 8 2 3 DOVER STREET IN GLENBROOK VALLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE THE OWNER, UH, ESPERANZA RICO, WHO IS ON VIRTUALLY AND CAN SPEAK TO THIS, UH, HIRED A CONTRACTOR WHO WORKED WITHOUT A PERMIT AND REPLACED WINDOWS WITHOUT A PERMIT, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED ARE, ARE WHITE VINYL WINDOWS IN THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS OF THE HOUSE. AND THIS IS THIS, AS WE GO TO THE CRITERIA, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. I CAN GO BACK AND FIND CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATE WITH VINYL WINDOWS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD DISCUSSION WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO, WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, MOVE PEOPLE TOWARDS ALUMINUM. AND WE NOW KNOW THERE'S A GOOD PRODUCT OUT THERE FOR THAT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER, UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION UNDER THE CRITERIA UNDER SECTION 33 DASH TWO 40 B. UH, WHICH IS THAT, UH, THE TAKEN TO CONSIDER, UH, THE NEEDS OF THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THE FINANCIAL CONDITION. AND, UH, AND SO WE RECOMMENDED THAT WE, THE APPLICANT, BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THESE WINDOWS IN PLACE. AND SO WE RECOMMEND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. COLUMN. I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER COLLIN, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY. NOW, WELL, OKAY, NOW THE LITTLE LINE IS GONE. DO YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. OKAY. A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION MEANS THEY HAVE TO PUT IT BACK. SO HOW ARE YOU LETTING HER KEEP THOSE WINDOWS IF YOU'RE GONNA REMEDIATE IT, KEEPING THOSE WINDOWS NOT REMEDIATING. AND TO ADD TO THAT, IF A COR IS ISSUED, THEY CANNOT PULL ANY PERMITS IN THE FUTURE FOR ANY OTHER WORK, CORRECT? UH, [01:15:01] , BUT THEY DIDN'T DO PERMITS FOR THIS. THAT'S NOT GONNA, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T USE PERMITS. SO THE ANSWER TO THE, LET ME TAKE THEM IN REVERSE ORDER. UH, WELL, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER COLUM, THERE WAS A SECOND QUESTION BY, UH, THERE. COMMISSIONER RINNI VASAN IN, IN HERE IN THE CHAMBERS, COMMISSIONER COLLUM, THE CERTIFICATE REMEDIATION IN THIS CASE WE'RE ASKING, UH, TO UTILIZE THE TOOL OF THE CERTIFICATE REMEDIATION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, APPROVED FROM OUR OFFICE. IT HAD, THERE'S A HISTORIC HOLD, AS Y'ALL KNOW, ON ALL THE PROPERTIES. SO WE WOULD THEN RELEASE THAT HOLD BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION, WHICH ACTS AS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE OTHER QUESTION. UM, AND I'M SORRY, I'VE FORGOTTEN IT. COMMISSIONER RIN VAS. AND SORRY, MY QUESTION WAS, IF THERE'S A COR ISSUED, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY CANNOT PULL ANY OTHER PERMITS. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT AS A, AS A LIMITATION. I COULD BE WRONG ON IT. I NO, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. THAT MAY BE THE CASE IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE THAT IS IN THE LAW. UH, BUT, UM, I AM AWARE OF IF YOU HAVE A DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING WITH, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THAT'S CONTRIBUTING, THEN YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS. YOU CANNOT BUILD ON THAT SITE FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT'S FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I KNOW THAT, THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS ALMOST EQUIVALENT TO A CFA, BASICALLY. I MEAN, THEY, THEY CAN, UNDER THE ORDINANCE A C CERTIFICATE, RADIATION DOES TAKE THE PLACE. UH, IT ACTS AS A CERTIFICATE. NOW, WHAT IT MEANS, OF COURSE, YOU DON'T GET A DISCOUNT ON YOUR BUILDING PERMIT. UM, THAT, THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT. BUT THAT'S THE MAIN THING. UM, SO THE, BUT AGAIN, UTILIZING, I REALIZE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS BEEN BROUGHT TO COMMISSION, AND WE DON'T OFTEN TALK ABOUT THESE THREE CRITERIA THAT ARE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE CRITERIA. THE HHC IS SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER WHEN THEY LOOK AT ALL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATE APPLICATIONS. THESE PROCEED THE 11 CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE. WHICH ONES PROCEED? SECTION 2 33 DASH TWO 40. OKAY. SO THE ARGUMENT IS THESE WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. THE BURDEN WAS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE ACCEPT THE WINDOWS, LEAVE THEM IN PLACE, AND ALLOW THE HOLD TO BE LIFTED ON THIS PROPERTY. BUT WE WEREN'T GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THIS, UM, ARTICLE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT, BECAUSE THEY NEVER CAME BEFORE US BECAUSE THEY NEVER GOT A PERMIT. OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TODAY. THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY. WORK'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. RIGHT? I'M SORRY. BUT YES, THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT. YEAH. SO MIKE, SO THEY'RE CIRCUMVENTING THE RULE OR THE LAW THAT YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER? THEY'RE GOING AROUND IT AND NOW WE'RE BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT IT NOW. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A PROVISION FOR FINANCIAL, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? HARDSHIP. HARDSHIP, SORRY. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTATION DID THEY PRESENT? UH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER FROM OUR COMMISSIONER'S TRAINING, THEY SAID THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE VALUE. THEY NEED TO PROVE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP WITH WHATEVER DOCUMENTS. SO, OR, BUT I GUESS WITH THE SITUATION, THERE'S FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, BUT THEY HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT THE NEW WINDOWS IN. SO WHAT DIRECTLY IS THE HARDSHIP? THE HARDSHIP IS THE COST OF REMOVING THE WINDOWS NOW AND PUTTING IN NEW WINDOWS. BUT SHE HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. SHE HAD PULLED THE PERMIT AND COME BEFORE US. SHE COULD HAVE AFFORDED TO PUT ACCEPTABLE WINDOWS IN HER HOUSE. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PATH FORWARD. I PULLED THIS JUST OVER MY OBJECTION TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. THAT SOMEONE CAN NOT PULL PERMITS, NOT COME BEFORE THIS BODY PUT IN ANY WINDOW THEY WANT TO, AND THEN NOT HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCES. IS THE APPLICANT ON CALL? I HAVE A OF QUESTION. SORRY. SORRY. CAN, IS THE APPLICANT ON THE CALL TODAY? YEAH. NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. WE DO NOT KNOW OF AN APPLICANT BEING AVAILABLE. UH, SHE'S IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON VIRTUALLY IF MS. MS. RICO, IF YOU'RE THERE, WANT TO UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND JUST LET THE CHAIR KNOW THAT YOU'RE HERE? [01:20:01] UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS MS. RICO. I AM SORRY THAT I DIDN'T GET A PERMIT. OKAY, MS. RICO, HANG ON JUST A SECOND, PLEASE. UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE CALL HERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU DIRECTLY JUST YET. SO LET ME TURN IT TO COMMISSIONER YAP FOR HIS QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE CALL AND ON STANDBY. THANK YOU. UH, YES. UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, I THINK EVERY MONTH WE HAVE ISSUES FROM GLENBROOK VALLEY, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CASE WHERE SOMEBODY HAS PUT IN INCORRECT WINDOWS, UH, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, SO HISTORICALLY, HOW HAVE WE TREATED ALL THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY PUT IN WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SINGLING OUT THIS PARTICULAR PERSON BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF PEOPLE PUTTING, UH, IN INCORRECT WINDOWS. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTED POORLY? CHAIR, I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO, UM, MY TIME HERE, WHICH IS IN OCTOBER WILL BE THREE YEARS. WE, THIS COMMISSION HAS, I BELIEVE, SEEN ITEMS LIKE THIS ONE BEFORE, AND I BELIEVE MAY HAVE ISSUED, UH, AND DENIED THE C OF A AND DID NOT ISSUE A C OF R. I DO KNOW I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE APPEALS BOARD AT LEAST ONCE, BUT IT MAY BE MORE THAN THAT. UH, AND THEY WERE OVERTURNED AND THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION CAME UP. I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE PROPERTY, AND IT WAS REALLY RECENTLY THAT WAS ASKED TO, UH, IT WAS FOR A CERTIFICATE, I'M SORRY, IT WAS FOR WORK WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT AND WITHOUT A C OF A. AND THEY PAINTED THE HOUSE AND THEY PUT IN VINYL WINDOWS. THOSE WINDOWS WERE NOT EVEN THE RIGHT SIZE OF THE OPENINGS. THEY KIND OF PUT SOME HARDY PLANK INFILL AND THEN PUT THESE LITTLE WINDOWS IN THERE, THAT PROPERTY THAT APPLICANT BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, UH, IN ORDER TO REMODEL IT AND SELL IT FOR A PROFIT. AND THAT APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE PAINT FROM THE BUILDING AND HAS PURCHASED MILL FINISHED ALUMINUM, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS TO MATCH THE OR ORIGINALS. THAT'S THE ONLY APPLICANT IN THAT, IN THAT CASE, IN THE ISSUE OF FINANCIAL, DIDN'T COME UP. SO I CAN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE THREE YEARS. I, I, I DO KNOW THERE'S A PROPERTY ON, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S MEADVILLE, WHERE THE COMMISSION BEFORE I GOT HERE, UH, APPROVED A C OF A FOR, UH, BEIGE VINYL WINDOWS EXACTLY LIKE THESE THAT ARE ON A HOUSE. ON THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAID THAT THERE WERE NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVES AND THE COMMISSION AGREED IT'S NOT THIS COMMISSION. I'M SURE THERE WERE A FEW OF PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED. AS YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF HAS WORKED. UH, WE'RE WORKING ON A, A DESIGN WINDOW CRITERIA FOR, FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY, BUT WE HAVE LIMITED TIME. WE DO STILL EXPECT TO GET THAT DOCUMENT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, PROBABLY EARLY, REALLY 2023 BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. AND ROMAN, PRIOR TO YOUR TIME, THERE WERE A VINYL WINDOWS WERE APPROVED AND THEY HAD MULTIPLE EXCUSES FOR IT. BUT LATELY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FLIPPERS COME IN AND THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS TAKE OUT THE WINDOWS AND THEY DO IT WITHOUT C OF A AND WITHOUT PERMIT. NOW, IS THERE A FINE FOR NOT HAVING PERMITS AT THE CITY OF HOUSTON HAS A POLICY OF DOUBLING THE PERMIT FEE, UH, IN SITUATIONS WHERE WORK WAS START ON A PROJECT WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT. THANK YOU. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBO. UM, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, TO HEAR THE REASONING, UH, FOR TAKING OUT THE WINDOWS, BUT ALSO THE REASONING FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT THEM BACK IN. SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? WE CAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEVOS. MS. RICO, IF YOU'RE, UH, STILL WITH US, CAN YOU ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, PLEASE? UM, YES. UM, THE REASON I, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT I NEEDED A PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS EXISTING. AND I'M WORKING ON REPAIRING, FIXING THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT TO MOVE INTO IT BECAUSE I RECENTLY LOST MY HUSBAND AND I'M TRYING TO, THREE IS LIKE DAMN NEAR COMING OVER INTO MY WINDOW. IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING? OKAY. I'M, I'M NOT ON THE PHONE. I'M [01:25:01] DONE. THANK YOU MISS RICO. YOU MAY CONTINUE. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO FIX THE HOUSE AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT I NEEDED A PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS EXISTING AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO DO, GO THROUGH ALL THIS. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO IS THIS A HARDSHIP? UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PURCHASED A HOME, UM, WERE THE WINDOWS IN BAD SHAPE AND THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE OF SOME DISASTER OR, OR JUST FROM WEAR AND TEAR, UM, AND YOUR ABILITY TO PUT THEM BACK IN, TO TAKE THEM OUT AND THEN PUT THEM BACK IN. CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? OKAY. UH, YES. THERE, THERE WAS SEVEN WINDOWS THAT WERE BROKEN THAT NEEDED TO BE LIKE THE GLASS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. SO SINCE IT WAS THAT MANY, UH, MY, WHEN MY OLDEST SON HELPED, UH, GETTING THE MONEY TOGETHER TO GO AHEAD AND PLACE THE WINDOWS. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M, AND, AND SINCE THEN, SINCE THEN, YOU'VE LOST YOUR HUSBAND. AND SO NOW TO TAKE THESE, UH, WINDOWS OUT AND THEN TRY TO REPLACE THEM WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE SIMILAR, ARE THE SAME, WOULD BE A HARDSHIP FOR YOU? YES. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION FOR THE HOMEOWNER, MA'AM. YES. HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THIS HOUSE? UM, WE, UH, BOUGHT AN, UM, ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO, SORRY, BUT WE MOVED TO ANOTHER HOUSE AND, UH, FRIENDS OF OURS WERE LIVING THERE, SO IT GOT LIKE, WE'RE OUT REALLY BAD THROUGH THOSE YEARS. THANK YOU. DO I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES. I MOVE THAT WE TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? YEP. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEBOSE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION. THERE'S A SECOND ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER YAP. DISCUSSION. IS IT POSSIBLE A DISCUSSION, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO NOT ISSUE THE COR IF WE DON'T ISSUE A, IF THE HISTORIC OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER TO? WELL, THE C OF R ALLOWS US TO RELEASE THE HOLES, SO SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND THEN THEY CLOSE IT OUT AND THEN, BUT THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS ALLOWS US TO LET THAT HAPPEN. IF WE DIDN'T, SHOULD WE RED TAGGED AND THE INVESTIGATORS WOULD CALL OUR OFFICE REGULARLY AND THEN IT JUST BECOMES A PERPETUAL ITEM? IS THAT RIGHT? FOR, FOR THE INDIVIDUAL? THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE DOOR. THEY, THEY'LL COME. WE HAVE GOOD INVESTIGATORS AT THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND THEY'RE ON TOP OF THEIR JOB AND THEY CALL OUR OFFICE REGULARLY ON ANY HOUSE THAT'S BEEN RED TAGGED. THEY'RE REGULARLY CALLED. WHAT'S THE UPDATE? WHERE ARE THEY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO 'EM AT LEAST SOME CONSEQUENCE FOR, FOR REPLACING HISTORIC MATERIAL AND NOT PULLING A PERMIT? HOW WOULD THE INVESTIGATORS KNOW TO GO THERE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? THEY'D HAVE IT ON A LIST OF, OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN VIOLATION, I GUESS. 'CAUSE THEY DID ALL THIS WORK AND IT WASN'T BROUGHT TO ANYONE'S ATTENTION UNTIL AFTER IT WAS DONE. SO HOW, HOW WAS THE INVESTIGATIONS GOING TO STOP ANY MORE WORK FROM BEING DONE? THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. SO THE, WELL, TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART, IT'S THE 3 1 1 SYSTEM THAT, THAT PROMPTS AN INVESTIGATION. UH, USUALLY, I MEAN, I GUESS THE CA THERE ARE INSPECTORS OUT THERE WHO HAPPEN TO PASS BY. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TIME. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE, AND, UH, I'M SORRY I FAILED TO ACTUALLY ATTACH IT TO THE BACK OF THIS REPORT, BUT THERE ARE A 3 1 1 INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY GO AND, AND TAKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, FROM THE STREET. UM, AND I THINK THERE ALREADY ARE THREE OR FOUR VISITS IN THE FILE FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO IT'S THE 3 1 1 SYSTEM THAT SH SHOULD PROMPT AN INVESTIGATOR TO GO BY. AND THEN THAT'S HOW THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT CONTINUES. AND SO THEY DO, THEN THEY GO BY UNTIL THEY SEE COMPLIANCE. SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK FOR, IN THE CASE OF MS, UH, MRS. MS RICO'S HOUSE IS THEY, THEY WANNA SEE THAT PERMIT IN THE WINDOW AND THE, AND A CLOSEOUT OF THAT PERMIT, SOMEONE WILL GO AND CHECK THAT THESE WINDOWS WERE PROPERLY INSTALLED. AND DO WE KNOW, UM, THERE ARE NO FUNDING SOURCES AT THE CITY OF HOUSTON OR THROUGH THE PRESERVATION OFFICE RIGHT NOW TO ASSIST HOMEOWNERS. UM, AND SOME OF THE MEDIATION [01:30:01] WORK, WELL, I GOTTA UNPACK THAT ONE. UH, THERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SOME RESOURCES. WE ARE WORKING WITHIN OUR OFFICE STILL. WE HAVE THE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, FINANCIAL INCENTIVE PLAN FOR FREEDMAN'S TOWN. AND, AND WE ARE REGULARLY WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT TO MOVE THAT PROJECT ALONG ALONG. UM, AND WE REALLY INTEND FOR THE, FOR THE TOOLS THAT COME OUTTA THAT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE CITY. I DON'T KNOW, UH, ACTUALLY THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THERE FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN A HISTORIC PROPERTY AND IS TRYING TO KEEP IT UP. WELL, WOULD THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE UH, MOTION CONSIDER SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE? LIKE MAYBE JUST TRYING TO WORK ON THE FRONT WINDOWS, THE THREE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND LEAVE THE OTHER ONES ALONE? I'M, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU ON THIS. UM, SO IS IT, YOU SAY THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ARE, AREN'T THOSE THE ONLY WINDOWS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? IT SAYS THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT WINDOWS TOTAL. SO THERE'S SOME, I GUESS ON THE SIDE. UM, AND SO ARE THEY ARE IN, IN THAT COMPROMISE, IS THAT ASKING HER TO REPLACE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SIDE, BUT BE THE ONES IN THE FRONT? NO, NO, THE OTHER WAY AROUND. LIKE REPLACE THE ONES IN THE FRONT. SO FROM THE STREET THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALUMINUM IN THE SIDE. WE WOULD LET THOSE HAVE A PASS. I, I PERSONALLY, THIS IS THE MOST, I PERSONALLY DON'T, DON'T REALLY THINK THAT KIND OF MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN HER HARDSHIP SITUATION. UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD EVEN, UM, THAT WOULD STILL BE A HARDSHIP FOR HER. BUT I'M OPEN TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER, FROM COMMISSIONER YAP. UM, AND ANYONE ELSE. AND I THINK THAT, UM, UM, THESE SITUATIONS, I'VE SEEN 'EM, I WAS ON THE PRESERVATION APPEALS BOARD. I'VE SEEN THESE SITUATIONS COME UP IN THE PAST. AND OUR QUESTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, WHERE'S THE EDUCATION? SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IN OR PEOPLE PURCHASE A HOME THERE, UM, THAT THEY'RE EDUCATED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO A HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT AREA THAT HAS SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT MUST BE APPROVED, UM, WITH A CFA. UM, AND SO I, I, I THINK THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER YAP. WE DON'T WANNA BEAT UP THE, UM, APPLICANT, UM, FOR WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, BUT WE WANNA TRY TO STRIKE SOMEWHERE IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST TRY TO WORK WITH, WORK WITH HER. UM, AND THEN ALSO BE ABLE TO GO BACK OUT AND EDUCATE PEOPLE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT. UM, BUT TO CONTINUE TAGGING HER, UM, THAT IS A BURDEN AND WE DEAL WITH IT IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND A LOT OF THE SENIORS. UM, IT REALLY IS, UM, BURDENSOME FOR THEM, UH, TO CONTINUE TO GET TAGGED. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO. SO AS LONG AS WE DON'T CONTINUE TO JUST RED TAG, RED TAG AND THEN THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, I'M FINE WITH IT. WELL, TO SPEAK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT EDUCATION, GLENBROOK VALLEY HAS A NEWSLETTER THEY SEND OUT EVERY MONTH TO EVERY HOMEOWNER THAT TALKS ABOUT BEING A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND ALL THE STREET SIGNS HAS STREET TOPPERS THAT SAY HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IF I COULD, IF I COULD ADD, UH, COMMISSIONER COUCH, UH, C GLENBROOK VALLEY'S BEEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR, I GUESS ALMOST 11 YEARS NOW. SO FROM THE MATH THAT WE HEARD, UH, IT WAS NOT A DISTRICT WHEN, UH, MS. RICO, UH, PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, BECAME A DISTRICT WHILE SHE WAS A HOMEOWNER IN, UH, IN THE AREA. SO, TO TO SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS IN A DISTRICT OR DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES OF THE DISTRICT WERE, UH, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HARD TO FOLLOW. WHEN ALSO WHEN IT WAS BECOMING HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE WAS A LOT OF OUTREACH TO DOOR TO DOOR. 'CAUSE THEY HAD TO VOTE ON IT. ALL THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY HAD TO GET 60% APPROVAL. SO THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN HARD TO NOT BE AWARE OF THAT COMMISSIONER. YAP HE STARTED TO SAY SOMETHING. I, I, UH, PERSONALLY FEEL THAT, UH, WE HAVE COME ACROSS GLENBROOK VALLEY LIKE EVERY MONTH, MAYBE AT LEAST ONE IF NOT TWO HOUSES. YEAH. AND EVERY PROBLEM IS RELATED TO WINDOW. MOST, MOST OF THE TIME, 90% OF THE TIME, NOBODY CH EXCEPT THE OTHER TIMES WERE DOORS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONSISTENT APPROACH OF WHAT HAS BEEN APPLIED TO, WELL, EVEN IF WE USED THE LAST THREE YEARS, JUST WHEN ROMAN IS AROUND, I LIKE TO SEE THAT APPROACH BE CONSISTENT. IF WE DID NOT AT THAT TIME, WE, OR WE ALLOWED PEOPLE WHO REPLACE VINYLS ALREADY AND TO LET THAT, UH, UH, LET'S SAY LET THAT PASS, THEN WHY SHOULD THIS LADY BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENT? I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE HER TO BE [01:35:01] THE ONE THAT IS NOW, UH, THE, THE, UH, SCAPEGOAT BECAUSE SUDDENLY WE HAVE A, A NEW APPROACH. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS NEW APPROACH IS. BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME I'VE BEEN LISTENING IN ON GLENBROOK VERY, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON VINYL WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM WINDOWS. BUT FOR THOSE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT, UH, COAS OR, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN ALWAYS BEEN, UH, ASKED TO KEEP THE WINDOWS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM HAS REALLY CHANGED ALL OF THEM BACK. UH, AS WELL, WE, THAT'S MY COMMENT. WE ASKED PEOPLE, WE, WE'VE ASKED PEOPLE TO REPLACE WINDOWS ALL THE TIME. W NOW DO THEY DO IT? NO, BUT WE ASKED THEM TO, WHEN THEY DO THINGS LIKE THIS, I THINK IF WE GO BACK AND DO A SURVEY OF THE DECISIONS ON GLENBROOK VALLEY, WE'LL SEE, MOST OF THE TIME WE VISIT A CFR AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS. BUT WELL THEN, THEN I WOULD AGREE THAT WE DEFER THIS AND THEN, UH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATISTICS. I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SEE WHAT WE DONE. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE STATISTICS 'CAUSE THIS, HOW THIS WINDOWS ISSUE COME UP EVERY MONTH IN, IN, IN HAHC. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATISTICS BACK TO THREE YEARS WHEN ROMAN IS AROUND WHAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY APPLIED. OKAY. UH, WE'VE GOT A MOTION. COMMISSIONER MCNEIL. UH, WELL WE HAVE A MOTION. WE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER DEBO TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. COMMISSIONER YAP. SECONDED THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT DISCUSSION TO THAT? IN LIEU OF THE DISCUSSION? AND I WOULD, UH, SEE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBO AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE, UM, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, ACTUALLY DEFER THIS PROJECT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF PREPARE, UH, DURING THE TERM OF, UH, ROMAN MACALLAN, UH, ALL THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, THEY'VE BEEN TREATED FOR THIS WINDOW SITUATION IN GLENBROOK VALLEY TO SEE WHAT OTHER RESULTS WERE OR IS. THANK YOU. OKAY. I AM GONNA NEED SOME GUIDANCE HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER DEBO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE YOUR MOTION FORWARD WITH YOUR MOTION? UM, THIS IS JUST TO, I'D ADD, I JUST WANNA, I WOULD LIKE ROMAN TO WEIGH IN IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE DRAFTS AND GIVE US, I MEAN, THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE HERE FROM HIM A LITTLE BIT. HI. WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT. YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND YOU HAVE A SECOND AND YOU'RE MOTIONING FOR A DEFERRAL. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. LET'S, LET'S TAKE, UH, ONE MOTION AT A TIME. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. MS. DE BOWES, WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR MOTION TO STAND? YES. OKAY, THEN WE WILL VOTE. SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DID, DID ROMAN SAY HE HAS THOSE, THOSE ALREADY, LIKE YOU CAN TELL US NOW? NOT RIGHT NOW. THEY CAN GET, HELLO. THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN. UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE WINDOW STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE WITH GLENBROOK VALLEY WITH SOME OF YOU HERE. UM, THOSE STATISTICS I HAD SENT SOME CHARTS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN DISTRIBUTE TO THE ENTIRE GROUP. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN GET THEM TO YOU NEXT WEEK. PERFECT. YEAH. THANK YOU MS. COLEMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEVOS. AND SO IF WE, IF WE DEFER THIS, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THIS WILL NOT COME BACK UP UNTIL SEPTEMBER. CORRECT. AND SO I DON'T, UM, I THINK IF THE STAFF HAS ALREADY GIVEN US THAT, IF THE BURDEN IS ON US TO HAVE READ THAT AND KNOW, UM, WHAT THESE STAFFS LOOK LIKE AND MAYBE SOME OF US CAN PULL IT UP NOW WHO NEED THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR, UM, THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT SOME WINDOWS. WELL, SHE ALREADY HAS NEW WINDOWS IN, RIGHT? I MEAN THE ONLY THING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS ANOTHER RED TAG. YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN IN A LONG TIME. 'CAUSE WHEN 3 1 1 GOT THE REPORT OF THE WINDOW CHANGE, IT TOOK THEM A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET OUT THERE AND THEN THE JOB WAS FINISHED. MS. RICO, IS YOUR HOUSE SECURE RIGHT NOW? YES. YES. MR. CASE COMMISSIONER? YAP. I, AND AGAIN, GUIDANCE ON THIS, DO YOU WANT TO RESCIND YOUR SECOND OF COMMISSIONER DE BO'S MOTION? YES. UH, I THINK BECAUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBO IS STILL, UH, GOING AHEAD WITH THE, UH, WITH HER PROPOSAL. RIGHT? SO I WILL CONTINUE TO SECOND AND LET'S GET A VOTE. IF IT IS A DOWN VOTE, THEN I WILL THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEN DEFER THE PROJECT. OKAY. MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY, NAY, NAY, NAY, NAY. THAT SEEMS OVERWHELMING TO ME. [01:40:01] DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? YES, WE DO. NAY IS BY NAME. PLEASE IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR NAME. NAY NAME, NAY FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. WE'LL STAY THE, LET'S DO THE AYES. THERE'S ONLY TWO AYES. YES. YOU MAY ANNOUNCE THE AYES. UM, THOSE WHO VOTED IN FAVOR. AYE. COMMISSIONER YAP. AYE. YAP. THEY BOTH AYE. OKAY. THE MOTION DOES NOT CARRY. SO WE STILL NEED SOME ACTION ON ITEM A EIGHT. MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER. UH, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION NOW TO DEFER THE PROJECT, TO DEFER THE, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, TILL THE NEXT TIME WHERE WE CAN ALSO GET THE STATISTICS FOR, FOR GLENBROOK VALLEY TO ACTUALLY GUIDE US ON OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. THANK YOU. ON A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. WHO OPPOSED? OH, AYE. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, YOU'RE LATE. UH, I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS A LAG. . . THANK YOU. MOTION. UH, THAT MOTION PASSES. THE ITEM A EIGHT HAS BEEN DEFERRED, UM, FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM A 9 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE STREET. THIS IS THE ALTERATION WHICH STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, ITEM A 9 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE IS, UM, IS FOR THE ADDITION TO 8 0 2 WEST TEMPLE. THIS IS A EXISTING, TODAY IS A 1400, UH, AND 28 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH A DETACHED GARAGE OF 576 SQUARE FEET. NOW, JUST TO NOTE, I THINK IF I'M CORRECT, THAT, UH, IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE WAS MOVED FORWARD. SO THIS IS FOR THE ADDITION. THE ADDITION IS TO, IN THE PROPOSAL IS TO DEMOLISH THAT GARAGE AND REPLACE WITH A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE HOUSE THAT IS SIMILAR IN FOOTPRINT TO THE EXISTING GARAGE APARTMENT. THE ADDITION TO HAVE THE SAME FIRST FLOOR CEILING HEIGHT, NINE FEET AS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THE EXISTING RIDGE HEIGHT IS 22 FEET ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD HAVE, UM, A RICH HEIGHT OF 25 FEET AND FIVE INCHES. THE PROPOSED THEN TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 3,160. AND THERE IS ALSO A BASEMENT UNDER THAT ADDITION, PROPOSED THIS ITEM. UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UH, THERE I BELIEVE ARE ALSO SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC. THE EMAILS IN SUPPORT. WE HAD SIX EMAILS IN SUPPORT AND THEY, THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF YOUR PACK OF, UH, THE ITEM IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS ONE, THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, THE NOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEY, THEY ARE OPPOSED. THEY'VE EMAILED US IN, IN, IN WHAT THEY STATED AS THE BASIS OF REJECTION. I HAVE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE DEMOLITION OF A, OF A HISTORIC GARAGE AND THEN THAT THE TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED EDITION DOESN'T MEET THE HARMONY CLAUSE, WHICH IS A, A PART OF THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. UH, JUST WANT TO FLIP THROUGH THE SLIDES MYSELF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER NOTES FOR, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE, UH, AGENT, UM, SAMCO IS LINE, AND I BELIEVE IF WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, THERE MAY BE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR. UH, I PULLED THIS ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, BECAUSE I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS PARTICULAR SENTENCE TO SAY THAT THE, UH, TWO STORY ADDITION, THE, IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR IN FOOTPRINT, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN, IF I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, UH, ITEM SEVEN OF 10, THE, OR THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, GARAGE IS ACTUALLY DETACHED. YEAH. AND NOW THIS, THIS STRUCTURE IS NOW ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. SO HOW CAN IT SHARE THE SAME FOOTPRINT? IT IS BIGGER, RIGHT? I THINK THE, THE COMMENT AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR CORRECT. I SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT THAT ON THAT STAFF REPORT IN THE FRONT BECAUSE THAT IS OF COURSE THE NARRATIVE THAT WAS SUPPLIED TO US. HOWEVER, THE, IT MADE SENSE TO ME IN THE SENSE THAT, BUT THE BUILDING THAT THE STRUCTURE THEY'RE BUILDING BACK IS SIMILARLY LOCATED AND THEN THEY'RE CONNECTING 'EM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, WHAT YOU SEE THERE. SO THE, IT IS , THE, THE INTENTION OF THE, OF THAT [01:45:01] STATEMENT IS JUST THAT THIS, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE, THE ADDITION IS REPLACING THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE AND IT'S BEING CONNECTED. YEAH, BECAUSE THEN MY CONCERN IS THAT I FEEL THAT THE MASSING IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. UH, AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT IF I LOOK AT PICTURES NINE OF 10, I THINK NINE OF 10. CAN WE GO STAFF MEMBER? IF YOU COULD GO FORWARD A COUPLE OF PAGES ACTUALLY JUST TWO. EXACTLY. YOU'LL BE ON PAGE NINE OF 10. THERE WE GO. OKAY. UH, ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, ORIGINAL PICTURE, I SEE THAT THERE, THERE IS LIKE A, MAYBE A TWO CAR, UH, BASICALLY A GARAGE DOOR ON THE, ON THE SEPARATE BUILDING. BUT ON THE NEW BUILDING, UH, DO THEY ACTUALLY THIS, UH, SORT OF LIKE BOND DOOR LOOKING DOORS, DO THEY ACTUALLY REPRESENT, UH, GARAGE DOORS OR WHERE HAP WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE GARAGE? IF THEY'RE NOT GARAGE DOORS, THERE WOULDN'T BE A GARAGE. THEY, THE OWNERS DON'T WANT A GARAGE THAT'S PROGRAMMED SPACE BEHIND THOSE. SO THERE IS CONDITION SPACE. YES. OKAY. THEN MY OBJECTION STANDS. I THINK THE MASSING IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE APPLICANT HERE TODAY? MADAM CHAIR? WE HAD, UH, FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS SIGNED BY CHAD, AUSTIN HAN AND SAM G NUAS COMMISSIONERS, ARE WE READY TO HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKERS? I CAN SEE THE AGENT, UH, TRYING TO SPEAK. HE NEEDS TO MUTE HIS MICROPHONE. OKAY. MR. HANH, IF YOU ARE, UM, WITH US AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CONNECTION TO THE PROJECT. FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MEMBERS. MY NAME'S AUSTIN HANH. I'M A MEMBER OF, OF THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. I LIVE ON THE 900 BLOCK OF FUGATE STREET, UH, JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE, ARE, UH, FORTUNATE TO CALL NOR HILL OUR HOME. WE'VE BEEN RESIDENTS THERE SINCE 2017. UM, AS, AS I'VE STATED IN KIND OF THE LETTER WE PROVIDED IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, WE FREQUENTLY VISIT PROCTOR PARK, UH, IN THE TENNIS COURTS IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF HIS HOME. UH, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WE HAVE LONG ADMIRED. UH, AND, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY JOKED AMONGST OURSELVES THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THE WALDO FAMILY WHO PURCHASED IT, IT IS A HOME THAT WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO OWN OURSELVES. UM, WE HAVE SEEN THE PLANS, WE HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF THE HOME. WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN THAT, THAT THE FAMILY HAS PUT FORTH. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A YOUNG GROWING FAMILY LOOKING TO, UH, CREATE SPACE FOR THEIR GROWING FAMILY. UH, AND THEY ARE, UH, WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UPHOLD KIND OF THE VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND ARE, AND ARE VERY FOCUSED ON UPHOLDING THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO TAKE JUST A FEW MINUTES HERE JUST TO, TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR, FOR THE FAMILY AND THE PLANS, UM, AS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS? SAM NUAS, PLEASE STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. CAN I SPEAK? YES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. UH, SAM NUAS CREO DESIGN, UH, TO ADDRESS MR. Y'S CONCERN. UH, THE STRUCTURE THERE RECENTLY DESIGNED MR. GIAS, WE HAVE A REALLY BAD CONNECTION. WE'RE HEARING ABOUT EVERY THIRD OR FOURTH WORD. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? HELLO? YES. OKAY. THE, THE REASON I DID IT, THE WAY WE DID IT, THE WAY WE DID IT WAS WE HAVE A MASSING THERE THAT'S 384 SQUARE FEET. THAT IS THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT'S THERE. SO I TOOK THAT MASSING AND CREATED THE TWO CAR GARAGE SO IT WOULD FEEL THE SAME. AND WE ADDED ONLY 208 SQUARE FEET TO THAT MASSING. SO IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE WHAT'S EXISTING NOW, WE ADDED 208 SQUARE FEET TO WHAT IS A 664 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL MASSING. SO REALLY, UH, IT'S KIND OF DECEIVING AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE A, A, A CHART SHOWING THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T DAWN ON ME UNTIL THIS CAME UP. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT'S UP THERE ON THE SCREEN NOW, WHERE THE WHITE GARAGE IS, THE ONLY MASSING THAT WE'RE REALLY CREATING IS THE, THE ATTACHMENT TO THE HOUSE ITSELF. I DIDN'T WANT TO GO, THIS HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY IN PERFECT CONDITION. THE BRICK DOES NOT HAVE A CRACK ON IT. SO THE, I DID NOT WANT TO GO ABOVE THE HOUSE [01:50:01] WITH THE ADDITION. AND THE OWNER WAS OKAY WITH NOT HAVING A GARAGE. AND THIS GARAGE SITS DEAD MIDDLE OF THE LOT, THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS GARAGE. AND SO THEREFORE IT'S INSET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ACTUAL HOUSE. AND FOR THAT REASON, I FELT LIKE IT WAS A FANTASTIC, UH, WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK THEIR CARS THERE, STILL HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A GATE TO FOLD BEHIND 'EM 'CAUSE IT'S 20 FEET OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE, KEEP THE MASSING OF THE EXISTING GARAGE AND ATTACH THAT TO THE HOUSE. AND IT, IT, I JUST FELT LIKE IT SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND, AND DID NOT CREATE MORE MASSING, UH, REALLY MINIMAL FROM THE STREET, FROM THE FRONT. YOU DON'T, YOU WILL NOT SEE IT AT ALL. AND SO OPPOSED TO DOING ONE OF THESE CAMELBACK THINGS THAT, UH, I JUST, THAT HOUSE IS IN TOO NICE A SHAPE TO DO THAT TOO. SO I FELT LIKE THE CLIENT WAS AT, UH, WILLING TO SACRIFICE THE GARAGE AND THE CONVENIENCE OF A GARAGE. AND GOING BACK WITH THE MASS, THIS VERY SIMILAR TO THE GARAGES MASSING AND JUST ATTACHING THAT TO THE HOUSE WAS, UH, I MEAN OUR STAIRCASE THAT GOES TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE GARAGE STARTS AT THE VERY BACK OF THE HOUSE ITSELF. SO THAT, UH, SO THAT WE MINIMAL, MINIMAL, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS MAIN HOUSE. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING. SO REALLY WE'VE ONLY ADDED 204 SQUARE FEET TO THE SIDE OF THE MASSING OF THIS HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. LUCAS. UM, SURE. I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF THEY COULD, UH, CLARIFY OR I, I DON'T SEE THE, WAS THERE A LETTER FROM THE NORTH HILL ASSOCIATION THAT THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THIS? A CHAIR ON THE, ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT? THE ONLY SENTENCE THAT I HAVE FROM THEM DETAILING THEIR OBJECTION IS THERE IN QUOTES RIGHT AFTERWARDS SAYS, CIVIC ASSOCIATION ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT FAILS TO MEET THE HARMONY CLAUSE. OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YAP. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE ARCHITECT, UH, SAM, YOU THERE? YES, SIR, I AM. UH, YEAH, THANKS FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, SAM. UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, CHECK ON ONE MORE ITEM HERE. UH, OKAY. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT PICTURE SEVEN OF 10, UH, PAGE SEVEN OF 10. OKAY? I DON'T PRE PRESUMABLY WITH THIS NEW, WITH, WITH YOUR PROPOSED DRAWINGS, THE, UH, THE OWNERS ARE PARKING THEIR CARS ON, UH, GOING UP WATSON. UH, YES, SIR. UH, ON THE STREET SIDE, YEAH, THEY'RE ON A CORNER. SO THERE'LL BE OKAY, UH, RIGHT WHERE THEY WOULD PARK THEIR CARS NORMALLY, AND YOU MAYBE KNOW THIS MORE THAN I DO, BUT IS, UH, HOW, HOW, UH, WILL THE, UH, PERMITTING DEPARTMENT LOOK AT IT IF ONE DAY YOU WANTED TO NOW BUILD A CARPORT, BUT, UH, ALONGSIDE THAT, UH, NEW ADDITION, UH, GOING TOWARDS THE, UH, DRIVEWAY AND APRON, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO THAT OR THE 17 FOOT RULE STANDS? UH, NO SIR, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT, Y'ALL JUST, UH, GRANTED THAT ON THE PROPERTY CATTYCORNER FROM THIS VERY PROPERTY, WE DID A MASSING THAT ACTUALLY, UH, GOES TO THE SIDE YARD AND GOES BACK, UH, FOR THE ADDITION. AND THEN WE HAVE A CARPORT THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE, UH, BUILD LINE. AND SO YES, SIR, WE COULD, WE COULD STILL ADD A CARPORT IF WE NEEDED TO. THEY DON'T WANT ONE, BUT WE COULD ADD ONE. BUT DOESN'T, THE, UH, DOESN'T PERMITTING HAVE A 17 FOOT SETBACK ON CARPORTS FROM, FROM THE STREET ON THE BACK, UH, SIDE? UH, NOT, UH, NOT ON THE, NOT IF IT'S A, UH, A TRELLIS WORK TYPE OF, UH, OPEN SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST GOT, PA I MEAN, THEY'RE BUILDING IT RIGHT NOW, SO I DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. UM, OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, AND, AND ONE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY, MENTION, SIR, IS THE EXISTING GARAGE IS OVER THE UTILITY EASEMENT. AND SO IT'S KIND OF DECEIVING BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I'VE DONE IS COME BACK AND BUILD IT, OH, YOU KNOW, OFF THE, OFF OF THE UTILITY EASEMENT. SO THE GARAGE, THE OLD GARAGE IS ACTUALLY ENCROACHING INTO THE UTILITY EASEMENT. SO WE'VE PULLED IT INTO COMPLIANCE SO THAT IT'S NOT ENCROACHING THE UTILITY EASEMENT. SO THAT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT DECEIVING, BUT DID MY BEST TO TRY TO KEEP THE, UH, THE MASSING SIMILAR AND, AND, AND, AND, AND MODEST REALLY. OKAY. THANKS SAM. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANY MORE? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M, I'M, OH, COMMISSIONER COSGROVES, GO AHEAD. YEAH, FOR, FOR SAM, UM, ON PAGE NINE OF THE PROPOSED LEFT ELEVATION, IS IT THE, THE PIECE THAT CONNECTS FROM THE RIDGE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE GARAGE OR THE NEW [01:55:01] ADDITION, IS THAT NECESSARY TO BE AT THAT HEIGHT OR COULD IT BE LOWER TO MAKE IT APPEAR? I AS IF THE, I COULD LOWER, I, I COULD ACTUALLY LOWER IT. IT'S A HEAD HEIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THE STAIRWAY IS GOING UP. OKAY. OKAY. I COULD PROBABLY LOWER THAT. UH, AND, AND UH, TO WHERE I COULD HAVE JUST ENOUGH HEAD ROOM TO GET UP THERE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN FEET OF COURSE. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HIGH RIGHT NOW, SO YES SIR. I COULD LOWER. OKAY. I MEAN I, I I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE LOWER JUST SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE HOUSE. SO IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE THAT SAME LINE GOING FROM THE EVE OF THE GARAGE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE, THE RIDGE OF THE HOUSE. HAPPY TO DO IT. I'LL, I'LL REDUCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND STAY IN CODE FOR THE STAIRS. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL THE SPACE BETWEEN THE, THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING HOUSE, THE REDUCED TO CREATE MORE DIFFERENTIATION. THE RIDGE, THE RIDGE, THE RIDGE BETWEEN THAT EXISTING HOUSE AND THE ADDITION BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT TO CREATE MORE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE, THE, THE TWO STRUCTURES. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UH, YAP. OPPOSES. OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, MOVING ON. UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM A 8 12 17 14 SOUTH BOULEVARD. THIS IS COMMISSIONER COSGROVE. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I HAVE TO LEAVE THE MEETING NOW. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, LET ME CHECK FOR JUST A MINUTE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE QUORUM. WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER COSGROVE AND COMMISSIONER MCNEIL WHO HAVE TO DEPART THE MEETING NOW. SO WE'VE GOT HOW MANY ONLINE COMMISSIONER COLLUM COMMISSIONER DUBOSE TWO ONLINE. 3 4, 5, 6 7 1 2 8. SO WE STILL DO HAVE QUORUM BY MY COUNT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. COLEMAN. YOU CAN CONTINUE. HELLO, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN. I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A 12 17 14 SOUTH BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING COLONIAL REVIVAL RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1929 LOCATED IN THE BOULEVARD OAKS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSAL FOR AN ALTERATION CONSISTS OF CHANGES TO THE FRONT ENTRY, SHUTTER SIDE, AND REAR ADDITIONS. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE A NON-ORIGINAL FRONT ENTRYWAY. PLEASE SEE SANBORN MAPS ON PAGE 12 AND HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVE PHOTO ON PAGE 14 OF THE REPORT TO SUPPORT THIS. ALSO UPON INSPECTION AT A SITE VISIT, IT IS CLEARED. THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION WAS FROM TWO DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. GIVEN THE LEVELS OF CORROSION, EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET WILL BE RESTORED IN PLACE EXCEPT FOR THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. ONE WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AND BE BUILT AROUND NEW CONSTRUCTION. ANOTHER WILL BE RELOCATED ON THE NEW SIDE. ADDITION SECOND FLOOR EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SHUTTERS WILL BE REPLACED WITH FUNCTIONAL WOOD SHUTTERS THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH CLOSED IN HISTORIC PORCH ON THE EACH SIDE ON THE EAST SIDE. THIS PORTION WAS ENCLOSED CIRCA 1950 WITH PERMA STONE AND ALUMINUM WINDOWS. PROPOSED ONE AND A HALF STORY EDITION IS SIMILARLY SET BACK FROM THE HISTORIC FRONT CORNER WITH A LOW RIDGE AND EAVE HEIGHT COMPARED TO THE HISTORIC PORTION. PARTIAL DORMERS DORMERS WITH RAISED EAVES FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. WINDOWS ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE WITHOUT RAISING THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THIS SEDITION. THE HISTORIC CHIMNEY WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AND NEW ADDITION WILL BE BUILT AROUND IT. ROOF WILL BE IN COMPOSITE SHINGLE TO MATCH PRIMARY PORTION OF THE RESIDENCE. THIS EAST SIDE ADDITION WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH MAHOGANY PAIRED COLUMNS. BRICK PLINTH WILL BE PAINTED TO MATCH FRENCH DOORS, TRANSOMS AND WINDOWS WILL BE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD SEA DRAWINGS AND WINDOW WORKSHEET FOR LIGHT PATTERNS AND MORE DETAILS. OVERALL, WINDOWS ON THE NEW EDITION ARE PROPOSED AS A SIX OVER SIX LIGHT PATTERN. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ALSO DEMOLISH THE REAR EDITION AND DETACHED GARAGE. THE REAR EDITION WAS BUILT CIRCA 1950. [02:00:01] HOWEVER, THE GARAGE WAS BUILT IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS NOT LISTED ON THE INVENTORY AS CONTRIBUTING FOR BOULEVARD OAKS. THE PROPOSED TWO STORY REAR ADDITION WITH ATTACHED GARAGE. GARAGE IS SET MORE, IS SET IN MORE THAN THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION AND WILL NOT BE EXTREMELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. PLEASE REVIEW THE R RENDERINGS FROM THE STREET VIEW. THE REAR ADDITION WILL BE CLAD IN SMOOTH SEMI CEMENTITIOUS SIDING AND BRICK TO MATCH THE HISTORIC PORTION. THE ROOF WILL BE A COMBINATION OF COMPOSITE SHINGLE AND STANDING SEAM METAL. THE CURRENT PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS 4,822 SQUARE FEET WITH A 1300 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE. THE PROPOSED SIDE ADDITION IS A TOTAL OF 801 SQUARE FEET AND THE REAR, INCLUDING THE GARAGE, IS 4,367. PLEASE NOTE THERE WAS A TYPO IN MY REPORT AT THE END. I HAD, UM, WENT MIDWAY THROUGH. IT IS NOT THE SIDE, THE PROPOSED SIDE EDITION IS NOT 696, THE FOOTPRINT IS 196. UM, THE PROPOSED FINAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 8,032 FOR A 17,745 SQUARE FOOT LOT. PLEASE SEE CONTRIBUTING CONTEXT AT THE END OF THE REPORT FOR SIMILAR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE BOULEVARD OAKS HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UM, RECOMMENDED THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EDGEMONT CIVIC ASSOCIATION. UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS WHICH INCLUDE THE APPLICANT'S UPDATE THE WINDOW LIGHT PATTERN TO ONE OVER ONE, REDUCE LIGHT PATTERN ON FRENCH DOOR OPENINGS WITH SINGLE TRANSOMS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. ELIMINATE DECORATIVE COLUMNS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET ON THE SOUTH, FRONT AND EAST SIDE ELEVATIONS. AND TO ALIGN THE TOP OF THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE EDITION WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND ALSO SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL BASED ON SEEING THESE CONDITIONS AT THE VERY END OF YOUR REPORT. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE, UH, ARE THE SPEAKERS INTERESTED IN, UH, IN SPEAKING? OKAY, WE'VE GOT, UM, ROGER KOONER AND ADRIAN STOKES. MS. STOKES, THANK YOU ALL. I AM ADRIAN STOKES AND MY HUSBAND WILL AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF THIS HOME. AND THOSE ARE OUR KIDDOS BACK THERE TOO FOR A SUMMER LEARNING OPPORTUNITY. UM, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MAKING THESE CHANGES TO THIS HOME AND THRILLED THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVED IT AND SEES IT AS A GREAT ADDITION. THIS HOME HAS LONG SET NEEDING MUCH LOVE AND CARE. EVERYTHING FROM THE INTERIOR BOLTS NEED TO BE REDO, REDONE, CAST IRON PLUMBING, NOT DO BORING ASBESTOS. THEY SEE YOU, IT'S ALL THERE. UM, BUT WE REALLY WANNA BRING IT INTO THE MODERN DAY FOR A LIVING. AND THERE IS 36 FEET WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL BLOCK STRUCTURE OF THE HOME FROM THE EAST EXTERIOR WALL TO THE BUILDING SETBACK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE ON THAT SIDE FOR THE PROPOSED ONE AND A HALF STORY ADDITION. BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT ONE AND A HALF STORY EDITION WOULD DO IS ALLOW US TO BRING THE UPSTAIRS OF THE HOME INTO A CURRENT WAY OF LIVING. UM, WE HAD ARCHITECT STEVEN FOX OUT TO THE HOME AND IT WAS SO INTERESTING. HE'S ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT THE FRONT PORCH WASN'T ORIGINAL. AND, UM, HE SAID THEY WERE PLAYING WITH ASYMMETRY AT THE TIME. AND THAT WORKS DOWNSTAIRS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE DOWNSTAIRS HOME, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE IN SYMMETRY IN THE ROOMS. BUT THEN YOU GO UPSTAIRS AND I'M ONLY FIVE SIX AND MY HEAD, I CAN FEEL IT ON MY HAIR AS I GO UP THE STAIRWAY WITH THE ABOVE HALLWAY AND ALL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE. AND THE ROOMS UPSTAIRS, THE WINDOWS ARE IN WEIRD PLACES. FOR INSTANCE, THE CENTER WIND ROOM, THE THREE WINDOWS TOGETHER, THERE'S LIKE EIGHT FEET ON ONE SIDE AND THEN ONE WINDOW'S UP AGAINST THE WALL. AND IT JUST IS KIND OF ALL WONKY AND IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK. SO WE REALLY WANT TO BRING THIS HOME TO WHERE THE ROOMS FEEL RIGHT UPSTAIRS TOO IN THE SPACE, MAINTAINING THE EXISTING WINDOWS. AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT THE HOME IS REALLY INTACT, UM, AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO USE THE SIX BY SIX WINDOWS THAT WE PROPOSED IN THE DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVED THE SIX OVER SIX, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M USING THE RIGHT TERM. WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT, UM, IS THE MOST COMPLIMENTARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND [02:05:01] WE DID THE ONE AND A HALF STORY EDITION IN SIDING TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WITH THE PAINTED BRICK AND, UM, REDUCE THE HEIGHTS AND ALL THESE THINGS, BUT STILL TO GET A FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR MY SON TO HAVE A GOOD BEDROOM TO LIVE IN, AND MY PARENTS TO HAVE A BEDROOM TO SLEEP IN AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST THRILLED TO BE HERE AND TO BE AT THIS POINT. AND SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE STAFF'S HELP AND, UM, DAVID HICK AND AMANDA AND EVERYONE WHO'S CONTRIBUTED AND INFORMATION TO US ON THIS, THIS BAR. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. STOKES. AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR BEING WILLING TO CONSIDER THE COMMENTS OF STAFF. AND I KNOW SOME COMMISSIONERS WEIGHED IN AS WELL ON, ON THOSE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. UH, MR. COONER, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? YES. OKAY. CL CLOSE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, UH, AND AFFILIATION FOR THE RECORD. RIGHT. ROGER KOONER. I'M THE ARCHITECT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND UM, THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, AND THANK YOU TO AMANDA. I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION PER SE, UM, ROOKIE MISTAKE PERHAPS, BUT, UM, AND I THOUGHT THE, THE REPORT FROM THE, FROM AMANDA AND HER COLLEAGUES WAS VERY THOROUGH. UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF, UH, ADRIAN AND SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS THE MAIN BLOCK OF THIS HOUSE AT WHICH WE CONSIDER THE SORT OF HISTORIC PART. WE'RE REALLY TREATING WITH KID GLOVES NOT CHANGING ANYTHING AND JUST UPDATING THAT, THAT PORTION AND I'LL COMMENT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE ADDITIONS. THE REAR ADDITION IS, UH, NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT ALL. IT'S ALMOST, UH, HIDDEN COMPLETELY ON THE EAST SIDE AND ON THE WEST SIDE YOU WOULD JUST SEE THE VERY BACK OF THE ADDITION. UM, THE EAST SIDE EDITION THAT FACES THE STREET. WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN A RIDGE HEIGHT BELOW THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND BASED ON COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND FROM MR. BUSICK, WE HAVE CHANGED THE MATERIALS. AND OF COURSE, AS, UH, YOU SAID WE'RE WILLING, CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT PART FROM THE HISTORIC CENTRAL BLOCK OF THE HOUSE. AND THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I NEED TO, I'D HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AGAIN. THANK YOU. ARE THERE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKERS? OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? MY MY ONLY QUESTION IS ABOUT THIS FRONT CANOPY THING. SO WHAT, IT'S HARD TO REALLY TELL WHAT THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS 'CAUSE THE PICTURES ARE BLURRY. BUT WHAT, THIS MAY BE A MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL ANSWER IT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE SAY IT'S OKAY TO TAKE THAT DOWN, THAT WE KNOW IF IT'S LIKE WHAT THE STORY BEHIND IT IS. I THINK WE ARE FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THAT WHAT'S THERE WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL BUT STAFF. THAT'S CORRECT. HI, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN. UM, FIRST ON THE SANBORN MAPS ON PAGE 12, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, NO FRONT ENTRY. WHEREAS ON 1702 YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A SMALL ENTRY ALSO WITHIN THE HARRIS COUNTY ARCHIVE DOCUMENTS. THERE IS A PHOTO ON PAGE 14 WHERE YOU CAN SEE A VERY SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF A CANOPY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, I WISH WE HAD A PHOTO OF IT KIND OF COMING DOWN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALMOST A FLAT AWNING THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY KIND OF BUILT ON TOP OF IT. AND SO THEREFORE THE DRAINAGE IS, IS POOR AND THERE IS A LOT OF CORROSION ON THE EXISTING METAL. AND I CAN LET, UM, THE ARCHITECT ALSO SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, WE ARE GONNA REPLACE THE PORCH IN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, UM, UH, LOCATION, IN FACT THE EXACT SAME LOCATION. AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT THE ARCHITECT SAM DIXON OF THIS HOUSE DID ANOTHER HOUSE ON BISSONNET. AND SO WE'RE GONNA REUSE THAT SORT OF HISTORIC, UM, IRON WORK TO DO THE NEW PORCH. UH, WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SMALL LOW, LOW SLOPING STANDING SEAM ROOF. THE EXISTING ROOF IS IN VERY BAD SHAPE AND UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE. BUT SO THE DESIGN AESTHETIC FOR THE NEW PORCH IS WE TRIED TO KEEP IN KEEPING WITH, TRIED TO KEEP, UM, THE SAME SORT OF DETAILING THAT THESE, UH, ARCHITECTS SAM DIXON WOULD'VE USED AND DID USE ON A HOUSE IN BINET, SORT OF AROUND THE CORNER FROM THAT, UH, THE STRUCTURE. SO IS THE NEW PORCH ON THE PICTURE ON PAGE 19 OF 57? IS IT, IS IT FLUSH WITH THE WALL OR DOES IT STICK OUT? IT IT WILL STICK OUT. UM, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE PHOTOGRAPH AT THE VERY BEGINNING [02:10:01] OF THE CONTRIBUTING CONTEXT SECTION AT THE END THAT SHOWS THE, THE HOUSE AROUND THE CORNER THAT THEY, THAT HE WAS JUST REFERENCING. WHICH PAGE IS THAT? THE END OF THE PRESENTATION? IT'S AT THE, UH, END OF THE REPORT, BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRIBUTING CONTEXT. SO I BELIEVE IT STARTS ON PAGE 45 OF 47. YES, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. JASON. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING IT OUT? THAT'S THE EXAMPLE OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE, FOR THE IRON WORK, NOT THE, NOT THE SHED ROOF. I BELIEVE SO, RIGHT? YES. SO THE SHED ROOF IS AN ANSWER TO THE WATER. YOU, SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THIS DESIGN OF THE WR IRON FOR THE COLUMNS. SO GO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAWING OF THE HOUSE, THE NEW, THE ARCHITECT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLAT TO ME IT DOESN'T, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S GONNA STICK OUT OR SOMETHING. 'CAUSE IT, YEAH, THE DRAWING, YEAH, THE 3D WE, IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, IT DOES POKE OUT. IT DOES STICK OUT. THE 3D SHOWS THAT IT'S FLAT. THAT'S JUST AN ERROR. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY. IT'S SURE IT READS 2D BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ACTUALLY THREE. I SEE IT, I SEE IT ON THE PLAN, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE PLAN SHOWS IT CORRECTLY. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. YEAH, IT'S A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE ARCHITECT AND, AND ACTUALLY FOR AMANDA AS WELL. UH, FIRST THE ARCHITECT. UH, DO YOU ACTUALLY, UH, I MEAN ARE YOU ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION FROM THESE, FROM THE STAFF? THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE STAFF ON THEIR SUGGESTIONS. BUT IN TERMS OF COMPLIMENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE EXAMPLE, UH, WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, NO SORT OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE MORE TYPICAL SIX OVER SIX WITH DIVIDED LIGHT. IS THAT THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT I SEE ON THE REPORT, BUT I I DID NOT REALLY HEAR WHETHER YOU ARE, YOU ARE AGREE IN AGREEMENT OR YOU ARE ACTUALLY DISAGREEING TO THAT. WE WILL AGREE AND I'VE DONE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS THAT WE CAN MAKE, WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU RECOMMEND. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES THAT THE ONLY THING? YEAH, THANK YOU. ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON TRUE, TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT, UH, SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS? UM, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH. THERE'S A SAMPLE IN HERE IN THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I WILL SAY, UM, COMMISSIONER HICK AND I BOTH FELT THAT THE, THE ONE OVER ONE WAS, WAS A CLEANER OPTION FOR THIS SEDITION. WELL, OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN. COMMISSIONER COUCH THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. CURRY SECONDS. CURRY SECONDS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE A AYE. ANY? OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE TWO, UM, ITEMS LEFT ON OUR, UH, UH, COA AGENDA TODAY. ITEMS 13 AND 14, UM, WHICH ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL TAKE ONE AT A TIME. SO ITEM 13 IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT. HELLO, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN. I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A 13 7 11 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET. IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING 6,250 SQUARE FOOT INTERIOR VACANT LOT IN THE FREELAND. HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSAL CONSISTS OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITH A ONE STORY DETACHED GARAGE. THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,838 SQUARE FEET, WITH A TOTAL BUILDING LOT COVERAGE OF 2,457 SQUARE FEET. THE WIDTH IS 35 FEET, AND THE DEPTH IS 70 FEET, SEVEN INCHES. PLEASE SEE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WORKSHEET FOR ALL FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE FULL DETAILS. ALL SETBACKS ARE SEVEN FEET OR MORE. THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT IS 29 FEET, FIVE INCHES. THE MAXIMUM EVE HEIGHT IS 21 AND 21 FEET. THE PRIMARY PITCH IS TWO OVER 12. THE GARAGE IS FOUR OVER 12, AND THE FRONT PORCH IS THREE OVER 12. THE [02:15:02] ROOF WILL CONSIST OF TESLA SOLAR ROOF TILES. THE RAISED CON CONCRETE SLAB IS 22 INCHES FROM GRADE. THE CLADDING WILL BE SMOOTH. CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH THE FIVE INCH REVEAL. THE PORCH AND THE FASCIA WILL ALSO BE, WELL, SORRY, THE PORCH SOFFITS ARE PINE, TONGUE AND GROOVE WITH A SIX INCH REVEAL, AND THE FASCIA WILL BE SMOOTH. CEMENTITIOUS. WE HAVE RECEIVED EIGHT PUBLIC CO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN, AND TWO SUBSEQUENTLY AFTER. BEFORE THE, UM, WE ARE MEETING HERE TODAY, WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE COMMENT FROM THE OWNER THAT WERE SENT TO COMMISSION BEFORE THIS MEETING. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL BASED ON SECTION 33 DASH 2 42 A, UM, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. PLEASE SEE THE SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT FOR WHY IT DOES NOT MEET THESE CRITERIA. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE MEETING TODAY. UM, SO MR. OTTEN WELLER? YES. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND, AND, UM, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR AFFILIATION TO THE PROJECT. CHARLES OTTEN WELLER. I'M AT 5 31 FRAZIER STREET. JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS HOUSE. IF YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SLIDES FOUR AND, UH, PAGES FOUR AND FIVE OF THE REPORT IF WE COULD ON THE SCREEN. UM, THIS IS WHAT ALL THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE CONSISTENTLY. 27 OF THEM. THERE IS NO OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE 2, 4, 2 STORES, TWO STORIES TALL, 10 FEET, 15 FEET FROM THE FRONT SERVICE LINE. THERE'S NONE. IF YOU, UH, FROM THIS, UH, THE STAFF REPORT, THAT'S FOUR 19. YEAH, THERE'S THE ONES THAT THE IN TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD HOMES. YES. OH, SORRY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. PLEASE GO FORWARD ONE PAGE. OKAY. GROOVY. AND TWO. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT ALL THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS WHAT WE FOUGHT FOR, FOR YEARS. I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BEFORE. I'VE HAD MY LITTLE HOUSE REMODELED, WORKED WITH THE STAFF, WORKED COMMISSION. THE PROCESS WORKS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE, THE ANYTHING LIKE THIS HOME FROM GOING IN ON THESE LOTS, UH, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS ROUGHLY. AND, UH, WE, NO ONE THAT I'VE, WE, THERE WAS THIS FIGURE FOR THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ANY WERE FOR, OKAY. SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IN THE LAST MOMENTS HERE. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO WORK WITH THE CITY OR, UH, PROVIDE ANY INPUT, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. OTTEN. WELL, COMMISSIONERS, SO ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS AND I HAVE REAL CONCERNS, ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN FOR EXACTLY THOSE SAME REASONS. SO DID, DID YOU GET TO WORK WITH THE OWN, THE, THESE PEOPLE TO, TO TONE IT DOWN OR ADJUST IT TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOOD? WE, UM, THEY APPLIED DURING THIS, THE DEADLINE FOR THIS COMMISSION. WE DID DO AN INITIAL REVIEW WITH THEM TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW. WE HAD THAT INITIAL MEETING. THEY MADE A COUPLE OF TWEAKS, BUT MADE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. WE DID ANOTHER MEETING WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER EK, AND THEY, THIS IS THE RESULT OF THAT. AND THEY WANTED TO PRESS AHEAD WITH BEING REVIEWED DURING THIS COMMISSION. AND WE HAD ADVISED THEM THAT IT WOULD, WOULD'VE BEEN BEST TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THIS TYPE TAKES AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR, MAYBE FIVE DIFFERENT REVIEWS TO GET RIGHT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS, UM, THEY WANTED TO COME FORWARD. AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. IS THE OWNER OR ANYBODY PRESENT HERE? DO THEY, HAVE THEY SENT AN EMAIL? THE OWNER'S NOT HERE GONNA COME. YEAH, THERE IS A STATEMENT FROM THE OWNER, UM, THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. UM, WE SENT IT JUST SHORTLY BEFORE THE MEETING BECAUSE WE GOT IT LAST NIGHT. I DON'T, AND ALSO, ROMAN, STOP ME IF THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO SHARE, BUT, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM THIS, I THINK SUSTAINABILITY IS DRIVING THESE TWO INFILL PROJECTS OR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THE, THE ROOF PITCH, WHICH IS SO PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE, IS INTENTIONALLY, UM, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF SOLAR OR, WELL, I, I, I, I, I DOUBT IT. CAN, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND . THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COUCH. THERE'S [02:20:01] A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SWEENEY. ANY COMMENTS? ANY, UH, I GUESS WE ARE OPENING THIS FOR DISCUSSION POST THE RECOMMENDATION DISCUSSION. I ACTUALLY, UH, UH, I, I WAS ACTUALLY MADAM CHAIR WHETHER, UM, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL CONVEYED TO YOU HIS REASON FOR PULLING THIS BEFORE HE LEFT, BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT PULLED THESE TWO PROJECTS OUT AND THEN HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIS POSITION. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. BUT, UM, WE WERE SITTING NEXT TO HIM AND DIDN'T HEAR ANY EXPLANATION, DID WE? OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT. THANK YOU. GOOD POINT. IN ANY CASE, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND OR ARE WE GONNA VOTE? MIC ON PLEASE. YOUR MICROPHONE ON. USUALLY. I'M LOUD ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THERE'S A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM A 13 OF DENIAL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES ON TO ITEM A 14. HELLO, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN. I PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM A 14 7 69 EAST FIFTH AND A HALF STREET. IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING 7,181 SQUARE FOOT LOT INTERIOR. SORRY, IT'S NOT INTERIOR. THIS ONE IS ON AN ALLEY. UM, IN THE FREELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSAL IS OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITH, UH, I'M SORRY, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE MY WRONG PIECE OF PAPER. , NO. WELL, THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4,000. PROPOSAL IS 4,913 SQUARE FEET AND A LOT COVERAGE OF 3,324 SQUARE FEET. THE WIDTH IS 52 FEET, ONE INCH, AND THE DEPTH IS 86 FEET, SIX INCHES. C CONSTRUCTION. NEW CONSTRUCTION WORKSHEET FOR ALL OTHER DETAILS. THE WEST SETBACK, WHICH SHARES THE PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM DISCUSSED IS THREE FEET, 11 INCHES. ALL OTHERS ARE AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE MAXIMUM RIDGE HEIGHT IS 29 FEET, FIVE INCHES. THE MAXIMUM EVE HEIGHT IS 21 FEET. THE PRIMARY PITCH IS TWO OVER 12. THE ROOF WILL ALSO CONSIST OF TESLA ROLLER, SOLAR ROOF TILES, AND THE SLAB WILL ALSO BE A RAISED CONCRETE OF 22 INCHES FROM GRADE. THE CLADDING WILL BE SMOOTH, CEMENTITIOUS THE PORCH. THE PORCH SOFFITS ARE PINE, TONGUE AND GROOVE, AND THE FASCIA WILL BE SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS AS WELL. FOR THIS ITEM, WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSAL IN COORDINATION WITH ITEM A 13. AND THERE WERE TWO SUBMITTED ALSO IN OPPOSITION AFTER THE FINAL REPORT WAS ISSUED. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL BASED ON SECTION 33 DASH 2 42 A CRITERIA 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP. MR. OTTEN WELLER. WOULD YOU LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AGAIN THE COMMISSION? THE ONLY DIFFERENT POINT ABOUT THIS ONE IS WE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM BY ALLOWING THE PLAT TO BE CHANGED FOR VARIANCE TO EXTEND TOWARDS A STREET THAT THERE WAS A SETBACK ON. SO WE TRIED TO WORK WITH 'EM AND IF YOU WANT SOLAR PANELS WITH A SOUTHERN PACING PITCH, BUY AN EAST WEST FACING LOT. UM, SORRY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKER? QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I'D LIKE TO, YES. COMMISSIONER DEBOSE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SO NOTED. YEP. SECOND, COMMISSIONER YAP IS SECONDED. COMMISSIONER DE BOSE'S MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM A 14 HAS BEEN COA HAS BEEN DENIED. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, CONSIDERATION, UH, OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE JULY MEETING. UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IN PERSON OR ONLINE TODAY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, HEARING NONE. UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE [02:25:01] HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER'S REPORT. MR. MCALLEN? THANK YOU CHAIR. I DIDN'T PREPARE A FORMAL REPORT. I JUST COMMENT THERE'S NO MEETING HERE IN AUGUST. UH, WE HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER OUT ON MATERNITY LEAVE AND I'M ACTUALLY, UH, PARTIALLY OUT ON PATERNITY LEAVE OR THE CITY PASSED A PASSED. A VERY NICE THING THAT IF YOUR BABY'S NOT A YEAR OLD YET, YOU CAN BE OFF. SO I WAS PLEASED TO FIND OUT I COULD BE OFF A LITTLE BIT. UH, SO WE'RE A LITTLE, UH, UNDERSTAFFED AND, AND WE'VE GOT POSITIONS THAT ONE SOON TO BE FILLED. I BELIEVE COMING ON BOARD, A NEW PERSON WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO. AND, UH, AND, AND SO WE MAY BE IN MAYBE ANOTHER FROM MORE PEOPLE DOWN THE LINE, BUT REGARDLESS, WE'RE, UH, I ENJOY YOUR MONTH OFF. UH, AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT ALWAYS IN THE OFFICE, PLEASE, UH, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE MY CELLULAR PHONE. UH, AND WE'RE STILL STAYING ON TOP OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. WE'VE HAD SOME WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT HERE AND THERE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ITEMS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE WHEN THE WEATHER'S A LITTLE COOLER, TAKING THE COMMISSION OUT LIKE YOU USED TO DO, AND SEE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE APPROVED AND WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN, UH, REALLY SEE THE OUTCOME OF THE GOOD WORK THAT Y'ALL DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WONDERFUL. UM, SO I DON'T NEED TO, UH, MAKE MY LAST COMMENT HERE ABOUT THE AUGUST MEETING BECAUSE THE SECRETARY AND, AND, UH, DIRECTOR HAVE MADE THAT, UH, SEVERAL TIMES NOW. SO WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS, I'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING OF THE, UH, HHC AT, UH, 4 58 TODAY. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. THANK YOU CHAIR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.