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TODAY'S MEETING[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on June 30, 2022.]
OF THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION.I'M COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID EK.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE QUORUM.
I'M GOING TO, UH, I'M GONNA CALL.
THE ROLE IS COMMISSIONER ASHLEY JONES.
PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER TANYA DEBO PRESENT.
AND I THINK, AND SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE MEETING IS COMMISSIONER SULI VAIN PRESENT.
PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER SVETA.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE PRESENT.
AND I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO, UM, HAND THIS OVER TO OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UM, JENNIFER OLY FOR HER REPORT.
AND MR. CHAIR, WE WILL NOTE THAT JENNIFER OLAN IS SEATED AS SECRETARY FOR THE QUORUM AS WELL.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COM COMMISSION.
I'M JENNIFER OSLAN, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION, AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, HERE I HAVE A SNAPSHOT FOR YOU OF OUR MAY PRESERVATION WORK THAT IS NOT RELATED TO TODAY'S AGENDA.
IT'S JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
OUR LAST LANDMARKS WERE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 20TH BEING EIGHT NEW PROTECTED, LAND PROTECTED AND TWO LANDMARKS.
THERE ARE NO NEW LANDMARKS TO REPORT FOR.
IN MAY, FEBRUARY 28TH WAS THE LAST APPEALS BOARD MEETING.
THE NEXT APPEALS BOARD MEETING IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY, JULY 11TH AT 9:00 AM FOR 6 0 3 EUCLID IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS.
SO FAR THIS YEAR, STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 152 APPLICATIONS, AND THAT'S THROUGH MAY, ACTUALLY OF 2022 WITH 35 RECEIVED LAST MONTH SO FAR THIS YEAR.
THIS COMMISSION HAS CONSIDERED 42 OF THESE 152 APPLICATIONS THIS PAST MONTH.
STAFF REVIEWED 11 ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS WITH 42 AS OF THE YEAR TO DATE, UH, MAY YEAR TO DATE.
TOTAL STAFF ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR FOUR PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEWS WITH A TOTAL OF 22 AS OF MAY, 2022.
I WOULD ALSO, UM, LIKE TO WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM TO SUMMER INTERNS.
UM, THEY COME TO US THROUGH THE MAYOR'S, UH, HIGHER YOUTH PROGRAM, UM, ANTHONY KALE AND KAYLEE VASQUEZ.
SO THEY WILL BE, UM, HELPING THE TEAM WITH A VARIETY OF TASKS MUCH NEEDED AND WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD.
SO YOU MAY BE SEEING THEM AROUND.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
AND THIS CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK TO SEE WHETHER, UH, THERE IS A REPORT FROM THE MAYOR'S LATE LIAISON.
WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE MAY 19TH, HAHC MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WERE POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
HAVE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MAY MEETING MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES.
NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
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HELLO, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS IN THE PUBLIC.I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, THE PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY.
I'M GONNA JUST TAKE A POINT HERE PER PRIVILEGE TO SAY, I'M GONNA SPEAK A LITTLE SOFTLY TODAY.
I'VE HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH SOME ASTHMA KICKING IN, SO IF I KEEP IT SOFT, IT WORKS A LITTLE BETTER.
UH, AND ALSO, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH KIND OF LIMITED STAFF, SO, UM, IF YOU SEE SOME HICCUPS, IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THAT, I RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE MOTION ITEM 1 11 35 WALLING STREET AND ALTERATION ADDITION IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 2 11 35, WALLING, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 3 9 0 1 KEY STREET, AN ALTERATION ADDITION IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
NEW CONSTRUCTION OF GARAGE IN NOR HILL FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 5 6 0 9 WHITE STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN OH SIX WARD FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
UH, THEN SKIPPING TO ITEM NUMBER 7 10 23 OXFORD STREET, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH.
APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ITEM 8 10 23 OXFORD STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 9 12 18 COURTLAND STREET, ALTERATION EDITION.
HOUSTON HEIGHTS EAST FOR APPROVAL.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE AT, UH, ITEM 10, RIGHT? SO I LOST MY TRAIN THERE.
THAT SOUND IS GETTING ME 1, 1 1 2 ASHLAND STREET ALTERATION EDITION IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM 11 6 0 5 EUCLID STREET, ALTERATION EDITION IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL.
ALTERA, UH, ITEM 12, THAT IS THE MIC THERE.
ITEM 12 5 1 5 EAST NINTH STREET, ALTERATION OF, UH, WINDOWS AND ACTUALLY SOME SIDING IN THAT ONE IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH DENIAL, BUT ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION.
NUMBER 13 420 WEST 14TH STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 14 6 11 WEST 22ND STREET, ALTERATION, IT'S A SIGN AT A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
UH, THE HEIGHTS CLOCK TOWER FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 15 15 12 SOUTH BOULEVARD, AN ALTERATION EDITION IN BOULEVARD OAKS FOR APPROVAL.
AND ITEM 16, 9 32 WEST COTTAGE STREET, ALTERATION OF WINDOWS IN NOR HILL.
DENIAL AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION.
THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE ITEMS. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS ON THIS CONSENT LIST THAT COMMISSION THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER, UM, 10 FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PULL? I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
IF, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, AND 16, THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE APPROVED ON CONSENT.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, HOWEVER, ABOUT ONE OF THOSE ITEMS AND HAVE, HAVE THE ITEM PULLED FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
UM, PLEASE APPROACH THE, THE PODIUM THAT HEARING.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS LIST FOR CONSENT AND ALSO FOR APPROVAL OF THESE ITEMS IN ONE VOTE.
IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO ACCEPT LIST PER YOUR LATE LAST, UH, ROLLOUT? YES.
MINUS ITEMS THREE AND MINUS ITEMS 10.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER STA A SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS AND RECOLLECTIONS? THOSE ITEMS HAVE PASSED THAT WE'RE HEARING ON CAMERA TOGETHER.
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SO ROMAN, WE ARE STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER 3 9 0 1 KEY STREET.UH, THIS ITEM IS FOR A, AN ALTERATION ADDITION TO, UH, A PROPERTY AT 9 0 1 KEY STREET, WHICH INCLUDES A HISTORIC 1,360 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND, AND A DETACHED GARAGE SITUATED ON A 5,200 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT.
IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW CIRCA 1930 IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 1,561 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY EDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, BRINGING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE TO 2,921.
THE FIRST STORY EDITION WILL BEGIN AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH THE ADDITION STEPPING IN NINE FEET AND 11 INCHES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE PROPOSAL MAINTAINS THREE ORIGINAL CORNERS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
A 380 SQUARE FOOT BACK DECK WILL BE ADDED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE EXISTING GARAGE WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW 594 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE ADDITION WILL FEATURE PAINTED BRICK TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE AT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE ADDITION AND PAINTED 1 1 7 WOOD SIDING AT THE SECOND STORY OF THE ADDITION.
AND THE ADDITION WILL HAVE A RIDGE HEIGHT OF 26 FEET AND 11 INCHES.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON THIS ITEM.
UM, DO COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
UH, I, I DO NOT HAVE A, A QUESTION.
UH, I PULLED THIS OUT BECAUSE I FELT THAT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, UH, THE MASSING IS AN ISSUE FOR ME.
UH, THE REASON BEING, UM, IN MOST OF THE HOUSES THAT WE HAVE A APPROVAL FOR, THE GARAGE AT THE BACK TYPICALLY WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF A, A BREAK OR A BREEZEWAY FROM THE BAIN HOUSE.
BUT IN THIS STRUCTURE, THE, THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY SUBSERVIENT TO THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S LIKE PART OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ME IN TERMS OF, UH, MASSING AS A COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO, UM, THIS COMMISSIONER STAFF.
UH, I NOTICED THAT, UH, UM, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IT SHOWS THERE'S SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS AND THE CURRENT, UH, PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS ONE OVER ONE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO WINDOWS OF THE, OF THOSE TWO DIFFERENT PHOTOS? THEY LOOK LIKE SECURITY BARS TO ME.
UH, THIS IS ROMAN MCALLEN, COMM COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER STAAVA, COMMISSIONER STAAVA.
WE, YOU, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU PICKED UP, BUT A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT HERE IN THE ROOM THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, FORM OF, UH, SECURITY BARS OVER THE WINDOW, THAT THEY DO READ QUITE A LOT, LIKE NINE OVER NINE WINDOWS IN THE, OH, ACTUALLY I CAN SEE THAT NOW.
UH, NOW THAT THE PICTURE IS ENLARGED.
SO, WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
HI, UM, MY NAME'S KELSEY VAN HUS.
I'M THE OWNER OF 9 0 1 KEY STREET WITH MY HUSBAND MATTHEW BAUER.
UM, SO THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT TO US AT 9 0 7 KEY STREET WAS APPROVED WITH A SIMILAR MASSING OF HAVING THE GARAGE GO DIRECTLY INTO, OR, SORRY, THE SECOND LEVEL GO DIRECTLY INTO THE GARAGE, UM, IN I THINK NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF 2020.
UM, ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES SURROUNDING US, WHICH I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES, UM, THE HOUSE CATTYCORNER TO US AS WELL, THEY HAVE A CONNECTED, A, A COMPLETELY CONNECTED, UM, CARPORT.
THEY DON'T HAVE A GARAGE, BUT THEY HAVE A CARPORT THAT'S DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THEM AS WELL.
SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY SURROUNDING US.
UM, AS WELL AS THERE'S ABOUT, I THINK, UM, 80 OTHER HOUSES WITHIN THE NOR
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HILL AREA THAT HAVE, UM, FINISHED LEVELS ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.UM, WE REALLY LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED WHENEVER WE WERE MAKING THESE CHANGES WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHED THE, THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, HAVING THE BUNGALOW LOOK WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE.
UM, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WORKED WITH, WITH OUR ARCHITECT AS WELL AS THE CITY.
WE HAD SOME COMMENTS WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UM, SUBMITTED OUR DRAWINGS.
UH, SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS HARMONIOUS WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE HOUSES SURROUNDING US ALSO HAVE THESE FEATURES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
I'LL, I WILL CLOSE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
IS THERE A, A MOTION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL? THERE? A SECOND.
UH, THOSE THAT, UM, ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION.
ANY, ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
SO, NEXT UP, STAFF WILL PRESENT 1 1 1 2 ASHLAND STREET WHILE STAFF IS COMING TO THE PODIUM FOR A CLOSED CAPTIONING.
OUR LAST SPEAKER WAS KELSEY, K-E-L-S-I-E.
IT'S NOT HERE, BUT, UH, I SEE.
SO NEXT ITEM WILL BE ITEM 6 1 4 0 5 AUSTIN STREET.
ITEM SIX IS 1405 AUSTIN STREET.
IT'S KIND OF AN UNFORTUNATE, UH, SITUATION WITH THIS HOUSE.
UH, WE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO FIND AN OLD REAL ESTATE LISTING FOR THIS FOR YEARS, JUST VERY RECENTLY, REALLY, UH, THE HOUSE WAS IN VERY GOOD ORIGINAL CONDITION, UH, WITH ORIGINAL SIDING AND ORIGINAL TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, QUEEN ANN DETAILING SHIPLAP INTERIOR AND FABULOUS CONDITION.
WE ENTERTAINED A CALL IN OUR OFFICE PROBABLY EIGHT MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING WHERE, UH, SOMEONE HAD PURCHASED IT AND THEY ASKED WHAT, WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
AND, UM, A FORMER STAFF MEMBER'S NO LONGER WITH THE OFFICE LET 'EM KNOW THEY NEEDED A C OF A AND A PERMIT.
AND, WELL, ANYWAY, THE, THE CONTRACTOR WENT TO WORK WITHOUT EITHER A PERMIT NOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND REALLY, UH, DID SOME DAMAGE REMOVING ORIGINAL WINDOWS, INSTALLING, UH, UH, VINYL WINDOWS, UH, OF A, OF A UNUSUAL, UH, LIGHT PATTERN AND NOOSE HARDY PLANK SIDING, UH, OVER THE BUILDING.
AND THEN A VERY LARGE, OR WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LARGE ADDITION IN THE REAR.
UH, AND THEN RAN AWAY, I THINK.
AND THAT OWNER, UM, UH, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED.
AND, UM, IT'S AGAIN, HIGHLY UNFORTUNATE.
WE WENT RIGHT OUT AS SOON AS WE KNEW.
AND THERE WERE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON SITE AT THE TIME, TWO OVER TWO.
UH, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE BE PUT ASIDE AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY THOUGH, IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE ALTERATION OF THIS PROPERTY.
JUST TO REITERATE, IT'S A 2,156 SQUARE FOOT, UH, WOOD FRAME, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, UH, RESIDENCE.
A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW.
ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
IT'S, IT'S A QUEEN ANNE IS, I THINK SO CIRCA 19, EARLY AROUND 1920 WITH CLIP GABLE ROOF.
SO THE, UM, THE APPLICATION THEN HERE IS TO RESTORE THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE THAT IS TO, UM, RE PUT THE ORIGINAL SIDING TYPE BACK ON IT A HIGH, UH, A TWO OVER TWO, A WINDOW THAT'S APPROPRIATE, RECESSED AND INSET.
UH, AND THEN TO CONTINUE WITH THIS ADDITION, UH, TO, TO FINISH THIS WORK, THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
MAYBE IF WE COULD ASK THE, UH, STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN INSIDE TO JUMP TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ME.
I'M NOT WORKING FROM THE SAME BOOK AND I KNOW WE, I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A SO IS IT DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS DUE TO THE FACT THAT,
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YOU KNOW, WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT ANYTHING AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION AS APPLIED FOR, WITH THE CONDITION OF EXTENDING THE NORTHWEST CORNER ROOFING DETAIL TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL, THAT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE A, A SMALL CORNER OF THE BUILDING WAS SORT OF LOPPED OFF, UH, AT THAT, AT THAT BACK CORNER.UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
WE, WE, THIS IS, I, LET ME REC STATE AGAIN, A VERY UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE, AS WE SEE THEM WITH, WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THE STAFF, UH, YAP HAS A QUESTION.
UH, ROMAN, DO, UH, ARE YOU AWARE WHETHER WITH THE NEW WINDOW THAT'S BEING PUT ON AS A REPLACEMENT, DID THEY ACTUALLY ALSO INCREASE THE SEAL HEIGHT OR BASICALLY SHORTEN THE WINDOW? OR DID THEY ACTUALLY USE BACK THE SAME OPENING IT? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS ONE IN THAT MUCH DETAIL.
UH, IF, UM, STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN IS THERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I'M SPEAKING FOR HER.
SHE ACTUALLY HAS COVID AT HOME.
UH, MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE, I HOPE SHE DON'T MIND ME SHARING.
WELL, SHE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I, I I BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOWS AND WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE WINDOWS THAT WOULD GO IN WOULD GO IN INTO THE ORIGINAL OPENING AND BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT WINDOW.
THIS STAFF MEMBER, IF THE WINDOW WAS RAISED, WAIT, THERE SHE IS SHE SOFTLY? YOU CAN, UH, WE CAN ALMOST HEAR YOU.
UM, UM, MY VOICE IS NOT SO, UM, LOUD.
UM, THANK YOU ROMAN FOR, UM, EXPLAINING THIS COMMISSIONER.
CAN CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? ARE YOU ASKING IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE FENESTRATION? NO, MY, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, WITHOUT THE COA, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE WINDOWS WERE CHANGED AND THEN THE, THE, UH, AND THEN, UH, WITH THE NEW SIDING PUT ON, UH, DO WE KNOW IF THE NEW WINDOW ACTUALLY MATCHES THE HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS? OR DID, WERE THEY YEAH.
SO, SO THAT'S THE PLAN TO TAKE IT BACK TO HOW IT ORIGINALLY WAS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS, UM, VERY WELL, UM, DOCUMENTED BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED ON HAR.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY HAD ON BEFORE THIS ON PERMITTED WORK WAS DONE.
AND I BELIEVE, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN, AMANDA, THE PICTURES OF, UM, THE HOUSE BEFORE THE ALTERATION.
UH, THERE IT IS ON THE STAFF REPORT.
SO THEIR FOCUS IS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOWS AND DECIDING THAT'S THE FOCUS OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.
I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WINDOW IS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT.
UH, TO ME IS YES, IMPORTANT THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW BENCHES THE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN, UM, ROMAN IS IN THE MOTION IS DOES IT MENTION, UM, IN ANY, IF ANY ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE STILL FOUND ON SITE? CAN WE, CAN WE DICTATE THAT THOSE MAYBE GO ON THAT FRONT FACADE OR BE REPLACED THERE ON THE, THE MAIN ELEVATION? WE MAY, WE MAY DO THAT IN THE ARCHITECT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT
UM, SO THE PLAN WAS WE, WHEN WE WENT ON A SITE VISIT IN THE PAST, WE SAW THE WINDOWS, BUT THAT WAS, UM, WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS STILL THE OWNER.
UM, WE ASKED THEM TO, UM, LOCK THEM UP SOMEWHERE FOR THE NEW OWNER.
BUT THEN WHEN THE NEW OWNER AND AGENT, UM, TOOK THIS, THEY LOOKED EVERYWHERE AND COULD NOT FIND THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
AND IN THEIR INITIAL DESIGN, UM, THEY, IN THE DESCRIPTION, THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, PUTTING SOME ORIGINAL WINDOWS BACK BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE LOCKED GARAGE.
WHEN THEY OPENED THE GARAGE, THERE WERE, UM, THE NUN, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS UNFORTUNATELY WEREN'T THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY, UM, THEY'RE REPLACING THEM WITH ALL NEW WINDOWS, WHICH IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.
BUT YES, THAT WAS THE PLAN INITIALLY.
AND I'LL JUST STATE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, A ADDITION WAS MADE OF THIS HOME AS WELL WITHOUT A C OF A.
AND SO PART OF THE CORRECTIVE MEASURE IS, IS STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE ADDITION THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN TERMS OF ITS MASSING AND SIZE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED AS PART OF THIS
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COR.UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE HAS A QUESTION.
UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, WHY ARE WE NOT PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR? WHY ARE WE STARTING WITH WHAT EXISTS THERE? IF THE ADDITION WAS DONE WITHOUT A C OF A, I, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICATION IS MISSING A KEY COMPONENT THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKED LIKE BEFORE IT WAS ILLEGALLY MODIFIED.
UM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THERE WERE NEVER AS-BUILTS FOR, FOR THAT, ANYTHING BEFORE THE ALTERATION.
WE HAVE THE AS-BUILTS OF EV EVERYTHING AFTER WE HAVE THE BLA IN SANBORN.
UM, BUT, BUT NOT, NOT BEFORE THE ON PERMITTED WORK.
AND, UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE NO ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AVAILABLE FROM THE ORIGINAL.
THEY NEVER SUBMITTED A C OF A, THE, THE ORIGINAL OWNER AND THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR NEVER SUBMITTED ANYTHING.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE DESIGNER HERE IF, UM RIGHT.
WE'RE ABOUT TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC.
BUT I THINK THE PHOTO, THE PHOTO THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MORE ANSWERS ON THAT, BUT, BUT RIGHT.
BUT THE, THE PHOTO, UM, NOTHING WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UM, WE DO, WE JUST SAW THE PERMITTED, THE UN PERMITTED WORK AFTER IT WAS DONE.
SO I'LL JUST, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE LAST IMAGE.
IT WAS JUST ON THE SCREEN, UH, THAT IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOME, HOWEVER, BEFORE THIS WORK TOOK PLACE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ADDITION ON TOP OF THAT ROOF THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE, IN THE NEAR PAST.
BUT THE, THE MAIN, THIS IS THE REAR WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOME IS MY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, HOW THE ORIGINAL, UH, HIP ROOF ON THE BACK WAS CONFIGURED.
AND THAT IS THE DETAIL THAT ROMAN MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, SCRIBING HAVING THAT ROOF, THAT REAR ROOF PROJECTION APPEAR ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, ELEVATION.
SO BISHOP MCNEAL, I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, I JUST, IT'S VERY HARD TO EVALUATE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE.
LIKE I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THAT MAYBE PERSONALLY THAT I, I, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO, TO JUST GIVE THEM CARTE BLANCHE ON AN ADDITION WHEN WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, HOW THAT IMPACTED THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, OR WHETHER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EVEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION TO BEGIN WITH.
CERTAINLY, WE, I GUESS WE COULD PUT UP THE SIDE ELEVATION OF, OF THE PROPOSED, I MEAN, HOW MUCH DOES IT ENCROACH IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE REALLY KEY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE WOULD ASK OF ANYBODY MAKING APPLICATION FOR A C OF A FOR THIS SIZE OF EDITION.
I MEAN, ACCORDING TO MLS, THE HOME WAS 1600 FEET WHEN IT WAS SOLD INITIALLY, AND NOW IT'S 2,900 FEET.
SO, SO THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE.
AND, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST GIVING 'EM A FREE PASS ON THAT WITHOUT EVER EVALUATING ANY OF THAT.
COULD I ASK YOU, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE SIDING EASILY, BUT THE ADDITION IS, TO ME, A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAT'S JUST NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IN THIS APPLICATION? SURE.
I THINK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY DRAW A LINE ON THE PDF AS WE SEE IT TO RIGHT THEIR, RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW THAT WITH THE CURSOR, THEIR MOTIONING WHERE THE ROOF LINE ENDED, SO THE, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE HAD A, YOU KNOW, HIP ROOF THAT MATCHED THE FRONT HIP ROOF.
AND SO, UM, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
I THINK THE ADDITION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT SEPARATELY FOR APPROVAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY BUILT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A PORCH THAT'S NOW ENCLOSED ON THE ADDITION.
LIKE IT'S JUST HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND ALSO, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO, UH, PAGE 10 OF 24.
THE, I THINK THE LOWER PICTURE IS OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, PICTURE 10 OF 24, WHICH IS A PHOTOGRAPH.
MR. CHAIR, MAY I COMMENT THAT THERE WERE ALSO TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED, A MR. DAVIS IN OPPOSITION AND A JIMMY CHEN IN SUPPORT.
PERHAPS THEIR COMMENTS, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE DIALOGUE.
SO ON PAGE 10 OF 24, THE AT THE LOWER PICTURE, UH, THE FRONT, UH,
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ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN LOOKS LIKE A TYPICAL QUEEN ANNE WITH A, A, A PORCH, UH, WITH A ROOM FRONTING THE BACK AND THEN ALSO STICKING TO THE SIDE OF, UH, UH, THE OTHER PART OF THE OTHER BAY OF THE, OF THE HOUSE.AND THEN YOU COMPARE THAT WITH, UH, AND I PRESUME THIS IS THE CORRECT SANDBORN MAP ON PAGE 14 OF 24, IF THAT IS THE CORRECT SANDBORN MAP.
THE HOUSE WAS JUST A SIMPLE SQUARE.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FULL FRONT PORCH THAT GOES RIGHT ACROSS THE HOUSE, OR IS THAT THE FRONT? YEAH, THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH.
IT GOES RIGHT ACROSS THE HOUSE.
AND THERE IS MOST PROBABLY A HIP LOOKING AT THIS, MOST LIKELY A HIP BACK PORCH, UH, BACK PORCH OR MAYBE EVEN A GABLE AND A SIMPLE STICKY OUT BACK PORCH.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE EVEN LOOKED LIKE THE HOUSE THAT WE HAVE ON PICTURE ON POP.
AND NOW IT'S COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT WITH ALL THIS ADDITIONAL STUFF, UH, IT, IT WILL BE A TALL ORDER FOR STAFF TO GO BACK AND SIT DOWN WITH THE ARCHITECT AND HELP DESIGN.
SO WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WHAT, I GUESS SURELY.
I KNOW THERE MAY BE AS MANY AS THREE SPEAKERS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND COMMISSION MEMBERS COULD DECIDE TO ASK FOR A DEFERRAL, UH, TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
BUT, UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT IS JUSTIN PATTERSON.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN IN PERSON.
UM, SO MY NAME IS JUSTIN PATTERSON.
WE HAD A CLIENT COME TO US LOOKING FOR A HOME AND 1405 AUSTIN KIND OF FELL IN THEIR LAP.
AND WHILE WE WERE WALKING THE PROJECT, WE REALIZED THAT THIS IS A PECULIAR ONE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT HALFWAY, AND WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE WERE GUIDING THEM DOWN WAS GONNA END UP WITH A HOUSE THAT THEY LOVED AND THAT EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPRECIATED.
SO WE MADE SOME PHONE CALLS, TALKED TO STAFF, AND REALIZE THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING PRODUCT.
UM, THE GOAL OF OUR CLIENT IS TO REHAB THIS HOME TO WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE, BOTH PERIODICALLY AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS FOR ACTUAL HISTORICAL WINDOWS, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, WE WOULD PRE PRESENT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, NEW WOOD, RECESS WINDOWS LIKE WE TYPICALLY WOULD.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE ADDITION, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO OFF OF.
WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT PRIOR TO OUR CLIENT AND OWNER COME, OUR CURRENT OWNER COMING TO US.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE AS BELTS, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS MADE THE BEST OF WHAT YOU ALL KNOW, IS A PRETTY ROUGH SITUATION THAT HAS BEEN A, A THORN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE SEEN THE, THE PICTURES ROMAN SHOWED US THE LISTING AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE THE BEST OUT OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN.
SO I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.
NEXT SPEAKER IS WILLIAM P. DAVIS TO BE FOLLOWED BY JIMMY CHEN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR.
AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME IF YOU WOULD.
MAY I ASK IF SOMEONE COULD HEAR ME? YES, WE, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
OKAY, WELL, HI, MY NAME'S WILLIAM DAVIS, D-A-V-I-S.
UH, WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH YOU.
I AM THE, UH, OWNER OF 1409 ALSTON STREET, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE, THE MAJOR CHANGE WITH THE ADDITION TO THE BACK TWO STORIES, IT REALLY HAS RADICALLY CHANGED, UH, THE SITUATION HERE NOW.
UH, IT DOMINATES MY SOUTHWARD VIEW AND, UM, I WOULD VIEW MYSELF AS THE MOST IMPACTED PARTY HERE.
UM, IN GOING THROUGH THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT DOCUMENTATION, I NOTED THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, FEATURES THAT, OR PERHAPS NON-COMPLIANCES THAT HADN'T BEEN NOTED.
THE NORTH SIDE SETBACK, THE SIDEWALL LENGTH, UM, MAXIMUMS, THE INSET REQUIREMENTS FOR TWO STORY BUILDING, THE EVE HEIGHTS AND THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA, UH, AMONG THEM.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS RADICALLY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF
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MY OWN PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH USED TO HAVE A BIG TREE AND A DECK AND, AND ALL THE REST.SO, UH, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS EFFECTIVELY BIGGER AND CLOSER AND HIGHER AND BOXIER, UH, THAN WE EVER HAD BEFORE.
SO I'M RESPECTFULLY ACT ASKING THE, THE COMMISSION HERE HOW THEY'D ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE FEATURES THAT, UH, I'VE JUST MENTIONED IN THEIR REMEDIATION.
AND I ALSO WANNA NOTE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, I KNOW THE, THE, THE NEW OWNERS ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
UH, THEY'RE WORKING IN BEST INTENTS HERE TO COME UP WITH, WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA WORK, RECOGNIZING THE SITUATION.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MY OWN CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE BEEN THE MOST IMPACTED, UH, OF, OF ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER WITH THAT? THE OTHER SPEAKER DECLINED, UH, TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, UH, MR. JIMMY CHEN HAS SIGNED TO SPEAK CHEN.
I THINK HE'S MOTION THAT HE, HE'S ONLY, HE'S NOT, HE PREFERS NOT TO SPEAK, I THINK AT THIS TIME.
UM, WITH THAT, THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, ASK COMMISSION MEMBERS AGAIN IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR ROMAN.
UH, ROMAN, THIS IS, UH, THE QUESTION IS FOR YOU AND, UH, YOU ASKIN, UH, SHORT OF NOT US NOT HAVING, UH, A FULL VIEW OF WHAT THE ACTUAL, LET'S SAY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS BEFORE IT'S, UH, BEFORE THE REMODELING WORK IS DONE.
UH, I DO NOT SEE IN ANY OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE WHETHER THE WORK GOING FORWARD NEEDS TO MEET THE, THE HEIGHTS GUIDELINES ITSELF.
IF THEY DON'T MEET THE CURRENT GUIDELINES AND THEY, BECAUSE THEY WAS DONE WITHOUT ANY, UH, PERMIT, UH, IS IS THE CITY, UH, COH PERMITTING WOULD ALLOW THAT TO PASS EVEN, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
IN SOME WAYS, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PERMITTING CONSTRUCTION PERMIT PURVIEW, RIGHT? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO UNPACK THERE, BUT I GENERAL, THEY MAY NEVER RE, I MEAN, LET ME JUST CUT TO THE CASE.
SOMEONE COULD NOT RECEIVE A PERMIT FOR THAT WORK ON THAT BUILDING.
IF, IF THIS COMMISSION CHOSE TO SAY THAT THE ADDITION, UH, IS NOT APPROVED AS CONSTRUCTED, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT, A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT ADDITION.
AND LEGAL OR, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT, I, I THINK GETTING TOWARDS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WELL, I, NO, ONCE THEY APPLY FOR THE PERMIT, THE, THE STRUCTURE AND THE PLUMBING AND THE MECHANICAL INSPECTORS WILL LOOK THE, PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE THE DRYWALL OFF OF IT'S BEEN PUT ON.
IT'S EITHER THE WIRING AND THE PIPES AND THE STRUCTURE.
NO, THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS TWO PRONGED.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK MR. DAVIS BROUGHT UP A VALID POINT.
NUMBER ONE, IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER PROJECT COMING TO US, OKAY, NUMBER ONE, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE HEIGHTS, DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHATEVER FARS, UH, UH, SETBACKS, SITE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT.
SO IF THIS HOUSE NOW AS IS THAT'S BEING BUILT WITHOUT ANY PERMIT ALREADY VIOLATED THOSE COA, UH, GUIDELINES, NUMBER ONE, ARE WE AS ASKED TO APPROVE THEM? OKAY, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, IF THEY ALREADY, THEN IF ON TOP OF THAT THEY ALSO VIOLATE CITY OF HOUSTON GUIDELINES, WHATEVER IT IS, COULD BE STRUCTURAL, COULD BE SETBACKS AS WELL, WHATEVER THEY NEEDED IT, THEN WOULDN'T IT BE LIKE A DOUBLE VIOLATION AS WELL? SO WITHOUT, WITHOUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. DAVIS, UH, UNHAPPINESS BE ALSO ADDRESSED BY THIS COUNCIL HERE.
I THINK WE COULD ANSWER THIS IN ONE WAY.
IF WE HAD RECEIVED AN APPLICATION TO BUILD THIS CONSTRUCT, THIS EDITION IN THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTLY CONSTRUCTED, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD'VE BEEN DENIAL BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER THE FAR, UH, BY ONE OR 2%, OR IN OTHER WORDS, 184 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH WE HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, AND IT IS ON THE SIDEWALL LENGTH ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, YOU NEED TO HAVE AN INSET WITHIN 40 FEET, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN MET HAD THE ORIGINAL CORNER BEEN LEFT DEFINED WITH AN INSET AND STEPPED BACK.
SO IF WE WERE REVIEWING THIS AND WE, WE WOULD HAVE LET THE PEOPLE KNOW, AND YOU DON'T SEE PRO, NOT THAT WE DON'T
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GET APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS DRAWN LIKE THIS, BUT THEN THEY'RE USUALLY CORRECTED BEFORE THEY GET TO THIS TABLE, UH, OR TO THIS, TO YOU GUYS.SO WE WOULD HAVE NOT RECOMMENDED, BUT IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE FULL SET OF THE FACTS, UH, STAFF HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH VARIOUS PURCHASERS AND ARCHITECTS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
WE HAVE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE FINAL DECISION IS MADE BY THE HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED WITH THIS ONE.
UH, I THAT GOT PARTIALLY ANSWERED WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, IF I MISSED IT IN, IN SOME WAYS YOU ADDRESS THE, THE ITEM THAT I BROUGHT UP.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT CASE, THE DILEMMA RESTS ON US ON THIS SIDE OF THE FENCE HERE.
THAT, THAT WE ALLOW THAT TO PASS BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED IT IF YOU WERE REVIEWING IT WITH YOUR STAFF.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO PASS, BUT WE WOULD'VE NOT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I THINK MAY I ADD, MAY I ADD TO YOUR, UM, COMMENTS PLEASE.
THIS A STAFF MEMBER, ARSLAN COMMISSIONER YAP.
TO, TO, TO TALK ABOUT CITY OF HOUSTON GUIDELINES.
I, UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I KNOW, THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY POINT WHERE THAT THIS CAN BE, UM, CHALLENGED IS THE SETBACK BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
UM, BECAUSE ANYTHING AFTER, I WANNA SAY JUNE, UH, HAD TO BE FIVE, UH, FOOT SETBACK.
UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY NEED TO FIRE RATE THE WALL AND NEED TO HAVE A, A, A PERCENTAGE OF WINDOWS, WHICH CAN BE, UM, WHICH CAN BE DONE, OR THEY, THEY MIGHT COME BACK FOR A REVISION.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
BUT, BUT IN EV EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POWER OF THE HISTORICAL COM COMMISSION.
AND YES, UM, WE, WE NOTED, UM, THEY, THEY DO NOT MEET FAR.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT 200 OVER AND, AND THEY HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT YES, DOES NOT MEET, UM, DESIGN, DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, WE, WE TRIED TO FOCUS ON BRINGING BACK THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TO HOW IT ORIGINALLY WAS BECAUSE, AND, AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS A COR AND NOT A C OF A, WE WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED IT AS A C OF A, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A COR, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
AND IF, IF I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE SITE ELEVATION, THEY HAVE A, THEIR INSET.
SO THREE ORIGINAL CORNERS ARE MAINTAINED IN, IN WHAT, WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE ONLY CORNER THAT IS LOST IS WHERE THEY SHOW A VERTICAL TRIM BOARD TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE THAT ORIGINAL CORNER IS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALSO ADDED A CONDITION THAT WE WANTED.
WE WANTED THE ROOF TO EXTEND TO HOW IT, TO MATCH WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY TO SHOW WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ENDED.
SO IT'S A TWO STORY ADDITION, UM, IN THE BACKEND, THEY'RE EXTENDING THE ROOF.
UM, WE'RE, THAT'S THE DETAIL THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO ADD.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? THIS IS COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, PLEASE PROCEED.
UM, SO THERE'S NO WAY, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST.
I CANNOT SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT EXCEEDS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WAS DONE ILLEGALLY.
THAT IS OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED TO, TO, TO COME BACK WITH PROPER DRAWINGS WHERE WE HAVE AN THEY CAN DO, TRY TO WORK ON WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE AND PRESENT DRAWINGS FOR THIS EDITION THAT ARE MORE DETAILED, THAT BRING IT WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, IT, IT'S TOO, IT'S, IT'S TOO, TOO MUCH OF A PANDORA'S BOX TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS DONE ILLEGALLY THAT EXCEEDS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE GUIDELINES STATE CAN BE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO, THEY CAN REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN THE SIDING AND THAT'S A FINE COR, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, WOULD NOT ISSUE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE ADDITION.
WELL, AND I GUESS A COMMISSIONER COULD ALSO DEFER THIS PROJECT, UH, OR, OR VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY OBVIOUSLY.
SO, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THIS IS, AND I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU SAY THERE ALREADY ABOVE FAR, BUT I ALSO SEE A PORT BEING ADDED ON THE REAR.
IS THAT CORRECT? A COVERED PORCH OR PATIO? SORRY, A COVERED PATIO.
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IT DOESN'T GO TO THE FAR, BUT, WELL, IT ISN'T AS THIS MOMENT IN TIME.YEAH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN, THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, REJECTED A NUMBER OF PORCHES THAT WERE EXCEED, FAR EXCEEDING, UM, A TYPICAL SCALE AMASSING IN INSET DIMENSIONS OF A PORCH.
UM, AND ALSO THE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE COVERED LOT.
COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, YOU HAD A QUESTION AS WELL.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAR THAT JACK ON THE DASH.
YEAH, IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE LOTS.
IT'S STILL WITHIN THE LOT SIZE COVERAGE, I'M GUESSING.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YASMINE, PLEASE.
UM, DOES TO COMMISSIONER YAPP RESPONSE AND, AND THE, AND THE OTHER SPEAKERS, DOES THIS HOUSE MEET THE EVE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND THE RIDGE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES VIOLATIONS BESIDES THE FAR? UM, IT DOES MEET THE, THE RIDGE HEIGHT, UM, BUT I'M SORRY.
SO IT DOES NOT MEET THE SITE SETBACK.
UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S FOLLOWING THE EXISTING, UM, AND IT DOES NOT MEET THE INSET, WHICH, WHICH SHOWS THE FOURTH ORIGINAL CORNER.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN, AMANDA, I BELIEVE THEY, YES, THE PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR, UH, PLATE HEIGHT IS OVER, IT'S LIKE TWO INCHES OVER, UM, OVER WHAT IS ACCEPTED.
BUT I THINK THEIR MAIN ISSUE IS THE FAR, UM, THE SIDE SET BAG AND THE IN INSET.
MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED BY CHAT, TERRENCE JACKSON AND ELLIE SELF, WHO IS THE OWNER OF 1405 ALSTON.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM? YES, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT BACKUP, AND YOU MAY PROCEED WITH THE SPEAKER.
YOU MAY I MAKE ONE POINT REAL QUICK, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE PLATE HEIGHT.
UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FIRST FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT IS 10 FOOT TWO INCHES.
AND THE GUIDELINES ALLOW YOU TO MAINTAIN THAT PLATE HEIGHT THROUGH INTO A SECOND FLOOR EDITION.
I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT ON ONE POINT.
MR. TERRANCE JACKSON, T-E-R-R-A-N-C-E-J-A-C-K-S-O-N.
HELLO, THIS IS TERRENCE JACKSON.
UM, I'M GOOD TO SEE SOME OF YOU AGAIN.
UM, I'M ONLY CALLING OR I'M ONLY SPEAKING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR.
SO WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME IN, I WAS THE ONE WHO ORIGINALLY WAS, UH, ASSIGNED TO THE PRO.
I WAS THE, UM, STAFF MEMBER ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDER OUR PURVIEW FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
UM, SO I WAS WORKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE AGENT.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACK HISTORY, WE RECEIVED A CALL THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS BEING DONE ON THE PROJECT.
SO I WENT OUT THERE AND I MET THE CONTRACTOR.
UM, HE GAVE ME HIS WORD THAT HE WOULD STOP WORKING.
THE WINDOWS WERE STILL IN THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
HE HAD ALREADY BUILT THE ADDITION ON THE BACK.
THERE WERE NO DRAWINGS, HE WAS JUST BUILDING.
SO WHEN I ASKED HIM TO PROVIDE DRAWINGS, UM, HE PROVIDED ME WITH DRAWINGS WITH THE ADDITION.
I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT WE NEEDED THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS.
WE NEVER RECEIVED THOSE, NEVER RECEIVED THEM.
I DON'T EVEN THINK HE'S IN ESTATE ANYMORE.
SO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE HISTORY, UM, I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE AGENT TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE HOME.
SO I TALKED TO, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY MAYBE THREE INTERESTED PARTIES A DAY FOR MONTHS BEFORE.
AND, AND, AND TO SEE THAT THIS HOME IS FINALLY BEING SOLD IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING FOR BOTH THE HEIGHTS AND FOR THE HHC IN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
UM, BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY, UM, THIS HOMEOWNER HAS PURCHASED A HOME.
NOW, MY ADVICE THAT I WAS GIVEN, AND I HOPE I DON'T GO OVER TIME, BUT MY ADVICE THAT I WAS GIVEN TO THESE CLIENTS WAS THAT LOOK PRESENTED AS IS MAYBE YOU COULD GET A COR AND HOPEFULLY THAT THE, UH, HHC WILL HELP YOU ON DETERMINING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I WOULD NOT TELL THEM THAT, YES, YOU'RE GONNA BE APPROVED BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S JUST IRRESPONSIBLE ON MY, ON MY BEHALF.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE STATED THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GUYS AT
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LEAST TAKEN CONSIDERATION WHAT ALL HAPPENED BECAUSE THIS OWNER THAT PURCHASED HIS HOME, HE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT MESSED IT UP.AND THE CONTRACTOR THAT MESSED HIS HOME UP WILL PROBABLY NEVER DO, DO WORK IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AGAIN.
I MET WITH THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR THREE TIMES.
HE GAVE ME HIS WORD THREE TIMES.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE HAD TO PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THIS PROJECT, STOP WORK ORDER, ORDER WAS PUT ON.
AND AGAIN, IT'S FINALLY BEING SOLD.
THE SIDING WAS THERE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WAS THERE.
I MEAN, I WENT OUT TO THE HOME PROBABLY SIX TIMES AND, AND EACH TIME THE GUY WAS JUST DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE FINALLY HAD TO HANDCUFF HIM IN A WAY, UM, WHERE HE COULDN'T DO ANY WORK.
SO TIME, MR. JACKSON, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU CAN AT LEAST COMMEND THIS PERSON THAT'S DOING THIS AND HELP THEM SOME KIND OF WAY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL SPEAKER.
IS ELLIE SELF, SELF STAR SIX TO UNMUTE OR JOIN VIRTUALLY PLEASE? HELLO, I AM ELLIE SELF.
I AM THE NEW OWNER OF THIS UNFORTUNATE SITUATION AND PROJECT.
UM, I'VE BEEN A HEIGHTS RESIDENCE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
WE HAVE A HISTORIC HOUSE AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE A GROWING FAMILY AND, UM, WE WERE GOING TO, UM, LOOK INTO RENOVATING OUR BUNGALOW ON 12TH STREET.
UM, AND WHEN WE CAME ACROSS THIS HOUSE, UM, WALKED THROUGH IT, FOUND OUT SOME OF THE HISTORY FROM IT.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN A VERY QUICK PERIOD OF TIME, ABOUT TWO WEEKS OR A WEEK OR SO, UM, MADE A CALL WITH YASIN AND BRICK AND MOON AND DECIDED TO PUT AN OFFER ON THIS HOUSE, UM, WITH THE CURRENT STATE THAT IT'S IN.
THIS IS JUST A BIGGER PROPERTY FOR US, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE IN APRIL KNOWING ALL OF THE HISTORY THAT WE COULD GET.
UM, AND THE BUILDER THAT DID THIS WORK COMPLETELY OUT OF THE PICTURE.
UM, THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, AS TERRANCE SAID, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING SOME OF THE HISTORY.
SOME OF THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.
UM, BUT THE OWNER OF THIS HOUSE WAS AN INVESTOR IN CALIFORNIA, THAT'S NOT EVEN IN HOUSTON.
UM, AND AS HE SAID, HE IS NOT, HE'S NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDER THAT DID THIS WORK.
UM, WE ARE UPSET TO SEE THE SIDING IN THE STATE THAT IT IS, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PAY TO FIX IT.
UM, WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE AS YOU KNOW, OUR LONG-TERM HOME, AND WE WANT IT TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
WE WANT, UH, IT'S SO SAD SEEING THE, THE PICTURES OF WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE AND WE WANT TO PUT THE ORIGINAL SIDING BACK, UM, NICER WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT, IT LOOKED BEFORE.
UM, SO IT, IT IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S REALLY NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I CAN PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL DO HAVE ABOUT WHAT I THINK WAS EXISTING.
AND AS, AS TERRANCE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE WHAT THE DRY, WHAT THE PLANS LOOK LIKE BEFORE THIS BUILDER WORKED ON IT.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ROOF LINES THAT'S, UM, ABOUT WHERE IT WAS.
UM, THE OTHER NEIGHBOR, UM, TOLD US THAT THE HOUSE MIGHT, MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED THERE ACTUALLY.
UM, SHE'S BEEN THERE ABOUT 25 YEARS AND UM, IS FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE.
UM, SO BASICALLY THAT UPPER PORTION IN THE BACK IS THE ADDITION.
UM, ANYWAY, I CAN'T, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE WINDOWS, BUT WE, WE WANT IT TO BE BACK IN, IN ITS BEAUTIFUL CONDITION THAT IT WAS BEFORE.
AND WE HAVE A GROWING FAMILY AND WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THIS FIT IN THE HEIGHTS.
UM, SO IF I CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT, I'D LOVE TO DO SO TIME.
UM, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OF THE SPEAKER? UM, OKAY, SO WELL THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, I GUESS D COMMISSIONER GA, I, I WANT TO MAKE A, UH, A COMMENT TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, JUST BEFORE THE THING WAS OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC, I, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I, UH, TOTALLY CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, UH, COSGROVE.
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AND GIVEN THE B GRAVITY AND THE GRAVITY OF THIS PROJECT, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO GIVE EVERYBODY A SENSE OF BREATHER AND HAVE IT DEFERRED.HAVE THE ENGINEER OR THE, AND THE ARCHITECT WORK AS BEST AS WE CAN WITH THE CURRENT STAFF ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT AND COME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK IS, WAS BASED ON THE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE, THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN, UH, IMAGE FROM THE PICTURES OR FROM ALL FOUR SIDES.
AND THEN, UH, GET THAT AS THE ORIGINAL AS IS.
AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION THAT THEY HAVE PUT ON, THEN WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
UH, AND I DO AGREE THE FACT THAT, OKAY, WE ALREADY LOST THAT MAYBE EIGHT INCH INSET OR ONE FOOT, UH, STRUCTURAL WILL MOST PROBABLY HAVE A SAY ABOUT HAVING THAT ALL, UH, FIRE RATED.
BUT TO ME, IF, IF I WERE TO SAY, THIS IS MY OPINION, IF I WERE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE ALL THIS, I'M OPENING A LOT OF, UH, THE PANDORA'S BOX FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT WILL NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IF THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THE PROJECT TO HAVE, UH, THE, THE PARTIES, THE VESTED PARTIES WORK CLOSER TOGETHER TO BRING US A BETTER, UH, OUTLINE, UH, DRAWING.
AND, UM, I GUESS BEFORE I ASK FOR A SECOND, THE MOTION, IS THERE A DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER COSGROVE HAS A I POINT OF DISCUSSION
UM, TO ME, I WOULD REALLY ONLY CONSIDER APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WAS WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO IT, GOING FORWARD, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE NEW ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT BROUGHT THE, THE HOME INTO COMPLIANCE, I FEEL FOR THE PARTIES INVOLVED.
BUT AS COMMISSIONERS, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS IN THE PROPERTY.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE OWE IT TO THIS HOUSE AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT SO THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, DO YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM BRICK MOON.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATE OF THE HOUSE? IS IT JUST STICKS AT THIS POINT? IT'S ALL STICKS.
I THINK THEY HAD JUST STARTED DOING SOME INSULATION.
ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE WE EVEN GOT THERE JUST COLLAPSED ON ITSELF.
NOT THE STRUCTURE, JUST THE INSULATION.
THEY WERE TRYING TO BLOW IT IN THE WALLS AND IT WASN'T WORKING.
SO YOU'RE LEFT WITH SOME ORIGINAL FRAMING AND THEN THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION FRAMING ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND IF YOU WERE REQUIRED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT BACK ADDITION, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE AND THAT THE HAR THAT THE EXISTING HARDY PLANK'S GOTTA BE REMOVED ANYWAY FOR ONE 17.
I SAY EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'S A BUT YEAH, I KNOW EVERYTHING COMES WITH A COST, COST MONEY AND THE CLIENT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PRESENT THAT.
YEAH, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, PARTIALLY A QUESTION PERHAPS, BUT, UM, HOWEVER YOU PROCEED TO GO FORWARD AND I'M SORRY, KIM MICKELSON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT CAME UP BOTH IN MY CONVERSATION WITH STAFF BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEN IN THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR, NOT JUST THE ISSUES WITH GOING OVER THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH I THINK THERE'S NOT ROOM TO VARY, BUT THE ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, SIDE YARD BUILDING, UH, LINE CONCERNS ME WITH THE, EVEN IF YOU ALL TAKE ACTION HERE, WE, YOU ALL DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OR WAIVE THE BUILDING CODE, UM, OR FIRE CODE, WHICHEVER CODE THAT COMES OUT OF.
BUT, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL IN WORKING WITH THE PERMITTING STAFF.
SO I'D A, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND A, A DEFERRAL TO, TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND INVOLVE, MAKE SURE THE PERMITTING OFFICE AND UM, BCE IS INVOLVED.
WELL, I MEAN IT CLEARLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE GREAT CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATION AS CURRENTLY SUBMITTED.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A FIRST FOR A DEFERRAL, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
UM, AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, HIGHLY SUGGESTED TO BRING BACK A FULL SET OF ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS DETAILING WHAT WE KNOW WOULD BE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE BASED ON THE, I MEAN EVEN ON THE NEW PLANS, IT SHOWS, UH, THE ORIGINAL BOX AND THE ADDED
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BOX.SO ANYONE COULD REALLY COME UP WITH WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN A, UH, ORIGINAL AS-BUILTS AND THEN A PROPOSED, UH, SO THAT THE COMMISSION COULD THEN, UM, HAVE A FULL VIEW.
AND I WOULD ALSO HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THEY CONFORM TO, UH, EVERY, YOU KNOW, FAR GUIDELINES IN EVERY OTHER HISTORIC THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE, UH, IN FAVOR OF A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE MEASURABLE STANDARDS.
WITH A LOT OF WORDS BEHIND IT.
AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION OVER, BASICALLY THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MENTION TOO, UM, 'CAUSE THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THE SHIPLAP IS REMOVED.
I I ASSUME THAT, I MEAN, AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL HOME IS BALLOON FRAMED.
AND SO STRUCTURALLY THAT EVEN, EVEN PUTTING BACK WHETHER IT'S PLYWOOD OR SHIPLAP TO REESTABLISH THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOME IS ALSO IT THAT THAT SHIPLAP IS PART OF OUR PURVIEW AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, UM, IT'S MUCH LIKE THE EXTERIOR SHEATHING ON A NEW HOME ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OCCURS ON THE INSIDE AND THE WAY IT'S FRAMED.
UM, YOU, YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN A BALLOON FRAMED, UH, INTEGRITY AND YOU, YOU CAN'T APPLY WESTERN FRAMING TECH, UH, TECHNIQUES TO THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD MENTION THAT WOULD BE IN, IN THE DEFERRAL THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS WELL BECAUSE IT STRUCTURALLY HAS TO ALSO STAND UP AND, AND RESIST WIND LOADING AND ALL EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST A COMMENT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A NOTE ON THE PLANS THAT THERE'S THREE QUARTER INCH OSP OR THREE QUARTER INCH PLYWOOD ON EVERY INTERIOR WALL OF THAT STRUCTURE, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND, AND, UH, THE ENGINEER HAS TO, IT, IT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE AN ENGINEER APPROVED DRAWING.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE CITY, UM, REQUIRES FOR BALLOON FRAMING.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON THESE OLD HOMES OF EX SURVIVED ALL THESE HURRICANES IS ALL THE INTERIOR SHIPLAP WALLS.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE HAD AN APPLICANT COME IN, THEIR CONTRACTOR TOOK OUT ALL THE SHIPLAP, AND THE NEXT DAY ALL THE WINDOWS BROKE BECAUSE THOSE, IN FACT, THOSE ARE THE BEAMS AND LENTILS OVER THE DOORS AND WINDOW OPENINGS.
IS THAT, IS THAT THOSE WOOD BOARDS? SO IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THESE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY USED.
AND IT'S ALSO, UM, PART OF ITS INTEGRITY.
SO I HAVE A FIRST, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL, AYE AYE AYE.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, AGAINST ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU.
THAT MOTION PASSES ROMAN, I BELIEVE WE NOW ARE UP FOR ITEM TEN ONE ONE ONE TWO ASHLAND STREET.
UH, DOES SOMEONE NEED TO ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I HEARD, I HATE TO BE THE ONE TO BRING THAT UP, BUT HE WAS, AS WE'RE PAST THAT VOTE, WE'LL LET IT GO.
BUT I THINK SOMEONE NEEDED TO ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IN THAT PROCESS.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER YAP SAY I THINK I DID.
BASICALLY, HE, HE SAID START OVER.
YEAH, BASICALLY JUST, UH, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THEN ALL THE, UH, ADDITIONS, WHATEVER THAT MEETS REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S NOT, I SHOULDN'T EVEN BROUGHT IT UP.
UH, ITEM 10, UH, A 10 IS 1 1 1 2 ASHLAND STREET.
THIS IS, UH, IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS WEST AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUNGALOW CIRCA 1920.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE AN EXISTING BACK WOOD DECK.
THEY EXTEND THE EXISTING RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE NON HISTORIC REAR ADDITION FROM 13 FEET NINE INCHES TO 20 FEET, 10 INCHES, OR REALLY TO LIFT THE RIDGE HEIGHT AND CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION BEHIND THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC REAR ADDITION WITH A RIDGE HEIGHT OF 20 FOOT 10 WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES DORMER TO BE ADDED ON BOTH SIDES.
THIS, THE DRAWINGS COINCIDE WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING 'CAUSE WE SOMETIMES GET AMENDED DRAWINGS, UH, WOOD WINDOWS INSET AND RECESSED, AND A MIX OF SINGLE HUN FIXED IN SLIDER WINDOWS.
A SIX 12 ROOF PITCH WITH THE DORMERS OF A TWO 12 PITCH CEMENTITIOUS WOOD SIDING.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THE, THE CONDITION IS THAT ON THE, UH, DORMERS THAT, UH, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE DRAWING WITH THE DORMERS.
THAT THE DORMERS HAVE A THIRD WINDOW INSTALLED SO THAT THEY READ AS A MORE OF OP AS A, YOU SEE THE FENESTRATION MORE CLEARLY.
UH, THE DORMERS HAVE A SORT OF INFILL ON THE SIDES THAT WE'RE NOT NORMALLY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NORMALLY SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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OR YES, MEAN WILL.ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION OF STAFF MEMBERS? YEAH.
THE CHAIR, I PULL THIS ITEM, UH, FROM THE CONSENT BECAUSE I HAVE THIS, UH, CONCERN OF THE DORMERS.
NUMBER ONE, I WAS WONDERING, UH, IF I LOOK AT PICTURE SEVEN, UH, 18 OR 16 OF 19, UM, I FEEL THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS DWARFED BY THE VARIOUS ROOF LINES OF THE ADDITION PLUS THE DORMER FROM, FROM THAT FRONT FACADE.
AND, UH, YES, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE ALLOWING, UH, THE ADDITIONS BE PUT ON THE TWO STORY TO BE PUT ON.
BUT I'M QUESTIONING WHY ARE THE DORMERS SO, UH, I GUESS SO BIG NUMBER ONE, AND IT TAKES AWAY THE VIEW OF THE HOUSE FROM THE FRONT.
SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF, UH, THE DORMERS ACTUALLY THEN SERVE ANY PURPOSE.
IF THEY ARE NOT REALLY, THEN CAN WE, UH, UH, NOT HAVE THE TWO DORMERS AT ALL TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE INTACT.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER Y THE, I FAILED TO MENTION A SECOND, UH, CONDITION.
UM, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER HERE.
HE IS WILLING TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, BUT HE WANTED TO GET ME TO TALK THROUGH IT FIRST.
'CAUSE SAME SET OF, UH, WE, STEPH, UH, SO ISSUES WE, THE, THE QUE, WHAT WE HAVE IS ANOTHER CONDITION IS THAT THE DORMERS BE INSET TWO FEET FROM THE WALL BELOW.
IN THE DRAWING THAT YOU HAD, THAT WAS JUST UP A SECOND AGO.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FRONT ELEVATION, YOU SEE THAT THOSE DORMERS ARE DIRECTLY ABOVE THE WALL BELOW.
SO WE DID HAVE, THEN, IT'S TWO CONDITIONS, ONE, THAT THE, UH, FACE OF THE DORMER HAVE A THIRD WINDOW, AND THAT THE DORMERS BE, UH, INSET TWO FEET FROM THE WALL.
SO THAT'LL CHANGE THE SCALE OF THAT.
I DO WANNA SAY THAT IN THE HEIGHTS DESIGN GUIDELINES, DORMERS ARE RECOMMENDED AS A WAY TO GET PROGRAM SPACE INTO AN ORIGINAL BUILDING WITHOUT ENLARGING ITS FOOTPRINT AND AFFECTING ITS MASS.
SO MUCH SO THE GUIDELINES DO, UM, SUPPORT, SUPPORT THE DORMERS ON, ON BEING ADDED TO, TO THE, TO THESE HOUSES.
MR. CHAIR, YOU DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED IN ADVANCE.
TIM CISNEROS, S-I-S-N-E-R-O-S, THE AGENT WHO IS SUPPORTIVE.
MR. ROS, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE TURN TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UH, MY NAME'S RAMI EM C I'M THE ARCHITECT, UH, FOR THE EDITION.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS AND I'D LIKE THE FIRST, UH, COMPLIMENT JASON ON HIS PARTICIPATION IN THE, UH, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CLIENT AND THE OWNERS AND MYSELF DURING THIS PROCESS.
UH, THE, UM, ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS RATHER DIMINUTIVE AND A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ON THE BACK WAS FROM THE GET GO, GOING TO REALLY OVERPOWER THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
SO WHAT WE DECIDED INSTEAD WAS TO, UH, HAVE A PARTIAL SECOND FLOOR ADDITION WITH THE BUNGALOWS, UH, MAKING US CAPABLE TO HAVE CEILING HEIGHT IN THE ADDITION, RATHER THAN HAVING A FULL HEIGHT SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IN OUR STUDIES FROM THE STREET WOULD'VE REALLY OVERWHELMED THE FRONT.
UH, ONE WAY TO, UH, TO, UH, CARRY THE, UH, SCALE ISSUE, UH, LIKE THIS WAS TO ADD THE DORMERS.
AND SO WORKING WITH THEM, WE GOT THE OWNERS TO REALIZE THAT THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS WOULD ACTUALLY, BUT BE MORE INTERESTING WITH INSET DORMERS THAT ARE CARRIED IN FROM THE PERIMETER.
AND, UH, THEY LIKE THE CONDITION TO ADD MORE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL LIGHT FACTOR.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THE MASSING WAS ACTUALLY BETTER OFF THAT YOU ONLY HAD A STORY AND A HALF IMPRESSION FROM THE STREET, RATHER THAN A TWO STORY EDITION.
SO WE CONCUR WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT BY STAFF AND WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, I, I JUST, I WANT WANNA SAY FOR NEWER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, COM, UH, MR. CISNEROS IS A FORMER, UH, MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION.
UM, WHEN I JOINED THE COMMISSION MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, UM, WE SERVED TOGETHER.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PAST SERVICE.
BUT, UM, I GUESS, ARE THERE OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER OF THE COMMISSION? I GUESS THE CONFIRMATION IS THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTING THE STAFF SECOND COMMENT ABOUT IN INSERTING IT TWO FEET YES.
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I MEAN THERE, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT FOR BOX SEATS AND KIND OF COFFERED CEILING.SO ACTUALLY IT, IT ENDS UP KIND OF BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE, LESS OMINOUS CHARACTERISTIC, LESS SMALLER.
CAN I ASK, PLEASE, PLEASE, ONE, ONE QUESTION.
UM, MR. CNE, SINCE YOU'RE, SINCE YOU'RE AT THE MIC, UM, ON, ON PAGE 1919, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE'S THE EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION AND THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION WITH THE, THE, UH, DORMER IN THE ADDITION.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, AT THE WINDOWS THERE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
AND JUST WANTED, WAS HOPING YOU COULD CLARIFY THE PLACEMENT OF THAT THIRD WINDOW FROM THE FRONT ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT WOULD BE BUILDING B UH, WINDOW B I'M SORRY, ON THE ELEVATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE PROPOSED ELEVATION THAT THAT'S NOT A REPLACEMENT OR A MOVED YES, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH MY STAFF.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET MOVED.
I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S ONE WINDOW IN THE KITCHEN THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY A DINING ROOM.
UM, BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I, WE'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK ANYWAY TO GET THE HISTORIC HOLD REMOVED AT SOME POINT.
AND WE CAN CHECK WITH STAFF AS TO WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.
I, I DUNNO, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE ODD RIGHT THERE IN THAT THERE IS A FREESTANDING GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IN THAT THEY WANT TO USE BOTH SPACES IN THE GARAGE.
WHEN THE ADDITION IS PUT ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, IT KIND OF CLIPS THE CORNER, THE GARAGE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S WHERE THE REAR ENTRY, UH, IS.
THERE'S A DOOR ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THAT ADDITION.
AND, AND, AND THERE WE'RE HAVING TO WORK OUT HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKS.
WE, WE DIDN'T PROCEED INTO FULL CD DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING UNTIL THIS WHOLE THING GOT RESOLVED.
DOES IT SHOW THREE WINDOWS IN THE LIVING ROOM? SO THEY WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE CHANGED AT ALL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A, THE PIPE ON THE PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR PLAN, THERE'S THREE WINDOWS IN LIVING ROOM.
THOSE ARE THE THREE WINDOWS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE, THERE'S NO REASON TO MOVE THAT WINDOW.
WELL, I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT, THE SIZE AND THE, THE LOCATION ON THE RENDERING OR ON THE PROPOSED ELEVATION IS NOT THE SAME AS THAT ON THE EXISTING.
I THINK WE COULD ADD A THANKS, A CONDITION FOR THAT IF YOU ALSO CHOSE YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION PART, MAKE IT PART OF THE MOTION SO THAT WE ADDRESS IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER OR FOR STAFF FOR THIS, UH, ITEM? YEAH.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ARE, IS THERE A COMMISSION MEMBER THAT WOULD BRING A MOTION? UH, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, THANK YOU.
TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE TWO, ANOTHER TWO, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS MAKING THE DORMER INSET TWO FEET, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT, DORMERS INSET TWO FEET, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE THIRD WINDOW BEING IN ITS ORIGINAL POSITION AND NOT MOVED THE, UH, I GUESS LEFT ELEVATION THAT WINDOW FROM THE FRONT TO BE, UH, NOT MOVED FROM HIS ORIGINAL LOCATION.
AND I THINK STEP ONE MORE CONDITION ABOUT THE DORMER TO ADD AT A WINDOW SO THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A SPREAD, UH, A HORIZONTAL DORMER WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE EXPRESSIVE OF WINDOWS WITHOUT THE, UM, WIDE WALLS FLANKING THE CURRENT DRAWING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THERE, ALREADY IN, IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
JUST A SECOND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE ASSURANCE THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ARE NAMED IN THE DATA.
SO, IS, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION, DISCUSSION PLEASE.
SORRY TO BRING THIS UP LATE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DISCUSSION.
I JUST FIND THAT THE COLUMN IS ODD IN THE BACK 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A FRONT COLUMN RATHER THAN JUST A PLAIN POST.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS OR LEAVE IT ALONE? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? SO THE COLUMN ON THE BACK PORCH IS A COLUMN LIKE WHAT YOU NORMALLY HAVE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S GOT A BRICK BASE AND A TAPERED WOODEN SECTION ABOVE IT.
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IT JUST LOOKS PECULIAR TO ME TO HAVE THAT IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.I MEAN, YOU COULD ADD, WE COULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, WE COULD ASK THE ARCHITECT IF AS WELL, BUT I CAN CARRY IT'S, IT IS ATYPICAL TO SEE A COLUMN OF THAT, OF THAT, THE TYPE ON THE REAR OF A HOME.
IS IT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE OH, I WOULD JUST BE INCLINED TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE THAT JUST A REGULAR POST OR SOMETHING, OR JUST A SOLID BRICK COLUMN RATHER THAN HAVING THE, ALL THE DETAIL ON IT.
UM, I, I, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
SO WITH THAT, UM, ADD ANOTHER AMENDMENT IN THERE.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT AMENDMENT.
SO THERE IS ANOTHER ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT TO THAT OF A SIMPLE, UH, SIMPLE COLUMN POSE AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
I'M GONNA ASK, CALL FOR THE VOTE.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDED AMENDMENTS TO THIS, THIS, TO THIS ITEM.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES.
WITH THAT, I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE ITEM ON, UH, THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 17 1 8 1 0 CANE STREET.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE TO ABSTAIN MYSELF, UH, FROM THIS ONE SINCE I ABSTAINED FROM IT LAST MONTH.
UH, BUT I'LL BE OUTSIDE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SINCE I WAS THE GC ON THIS PROJECT, UH, LATER.
CHAIR 18, 10 CANE STREET ITEM A 17.
IT INCLUDES A 2050 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY SINGLE FRAME RESIDENCE, SITUATED ON A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE COTTAGE CIRCA 1890.
AND THE, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR, UH, REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF NINE ORIGINAL, BUT DETERIORATED WINDOWS WITH, WITH, UH, WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, WITH A MATCHING LIGHT PATTERN, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN ARE SOME IMAGES OF THE WINDOWS CURRENTLY.
UM, YOU'RE SEEING THE WINDOWS.
I, I WENT, UH, THIS PROJECT DID ORIGINALLY BEGIN WITH WORKING WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND IT TOOK, IT WAS DEFERRED LAST TIME, AND THE OWNER WAS OUTTA TOWN.
IT TOOK SOME TIME FOR ME TO GET THERE AND GO INSIDE THE HOME AND REALLY TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
AND UPON DOING SO, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS MY OPINION THAT REPLACEMENT OF THESE WINDOWS WAS IN LINE OF, OF THIS KIND OF THIS OFFICE'S STANDARD FOR WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UM, WINDOWS THAT COULD BE REPLACED.
I BASE THAT ON, YOU KNOW, I'VE WINDOWS, AS WE KNOW ARE A HOT TOPIC IN PRESERVATION.
I REACHED OUT TO, UM, STAFF MEMBER PETE STOCKTON, ON, ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE I DID VISIT A NUMBER OF HOUSES WITH HIM TOGETHER WHEN I WAS HIRED AND FOUND THAT HE ACTUALLY WAS A LITTLE, UH, MORE, UH, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD? UH, FOR MORE FORGIVING OF REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS.
UH, HE SAW A DETERIORATED CONDITION NEEDING REPLACEMENT QUICKER THAN I DID.
IN OTHER WORDS, SO, SO WHEN I SAW THESE WINDOWS, AND AS YOU SAW THOSE IMAGES, THERE'S SOME DETERIORATION OF THE, OF THE MOUNTAINS, LIKE THE LOWER INCH OR SO.
UM, THERE'S A FILLER IN THERE NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO RESTORE THESE WINDOWS TO REALLY PRO PROPERLY, REALLY FUNCTION WELL, UH, AND DO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING, YOU WOULD BE REM MILLING A NUMBER OF S UH, THE RAILS, THE MEETING RAILS.
NOW I RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, THESE WINDOWS, YOU COULD IN FACT, UH, POSSIBLY TAKE THE MATERIAL AND CREATE A NUMBER OF WORKING WINDOWS THAT ARE INTACT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE COULD BE SOME SASHES, MAYBE ONE OR TWO OR THREE MOST OUT OF HERE.
BUT GIVEN THAT I, I RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION TO REPLACE, TO
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REPLACE THE WINDOWS.UH, I, I SAY IT A LITTLE HESITANTLY.
I, I DIDN'T, THE WORK WAS IN OLD SIX WARD, UH, ON A, ON A CONTRIBUTING HOME THAT THIS COMMISSION PROVED OF AN ADDITION ON BEFORE.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAKE YOU KIND OF SCRATCH YOUR HEAD AND SAY, WELL, WHY DIDN'T WE GET ASKED ABOUT THIS FIRST? OKAY.
BUT I TAKE IT AS FOR WHAT IT IS, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASK.
WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF REMEDIATION, UH, TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AS REQUESTED.
AND, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, TO CONFIRM WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT, UM, DOCUMENT IS IN FULL FAVOR OF REPLACING.
WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS C OF A, I ASKED HIM MORE GENERALLY, COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, I SAID, I'VE LOOKED AT THESE WINDOWS, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THE CONDITION AND HI, WHAT HIS PHRASE TO ME WAS, UM, WE HAVE NOT REQUIRED THE, THAT LE THE LEVEL OF REBUILDING, OR I'M SORRY, HOW THE PHRASE WE HAVE NOT REQUIRED THAT LEVEL OF RESTORATION OF PEOPLE.
NOW YOU MAY HAVE RIGHT, HIS MEMORY AND, AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT LEVEL OF WORK, RIGHT? PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE US TAKING SERS FROM HERE AND THERE DONE SIGNIFICANT RESTORATION WORK THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON AND Y'ALL RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON.
BUT I THINK HIS POINT WAS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER SOMEONE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO THAT, TO THAT, TO DO THAT LEVEL.
AND THERE ARE, TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HOUSTON, TEXAS WHO WILL REBUILD THOSE WINDOWS FOR YOU, RE MILL THOSE SASHES AND HAVE 'EM WORKING PERFECTLY WELL.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I, DID I ANSWER IT? YEAH, HE DIDN'T SAY ON THIS C WE WERE, WE DID NOT ADDRESS THIS DIRECTLY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
SO ROMAN, DID THEY REPLACE THE WINDOWS? WHY? WHY'S THE COR FOR I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YES, THE FRONT TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, RIGHT ON THE PORCH, WHICH, WHICH HURTS A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE THE PORCH WINDOWS ARE THE ONES USUALLY IN THE BEST CONDITION.
BUT THE PORCH WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WITHOUT A C OF A AND IN, IN FACT, I STOPPED THE WORKERS BEFORE THEY DID THAT, BUT THEY DECIDED TO DO IT ANYWAY.
UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO ANOTHER PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED RECENTLY.
THE OWNER EXPLAINED TO ME THEY WERE REPLACED A, A COUPLE, TWO TO THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, SO, AND THE OWNER IS HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO HIM IN ALL.
UH, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, LEFT SIDE, ORIGINAL TWO OVER TWO, A SET OF FOUR, I MEAN A, A PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE LEFT, THE PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT ON THE PAD, THERE'S ANOTHER WINDOW THAT YOU DON'T SEE FACING, UH, EAST, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, SO THEN THOSE PHOTOS YOU'RE SEEING HERE WAS THE, UH, I GUESS THE C OF A COMING IN WHERE THE ADDITION WAS MADE IN THE REAR, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PHOTOS HERE.
UM, AND, AND, AND I HAVE SOME PRETTY CLOSE UP IMAGES IN THE REPORT.
IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THOSE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DECAY THAT CAUSED MY CONCERN, THAT WOULD MAKE ME THINK THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW REPLACEMENT IN THIS SITUATION.
SO ROMAN, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FOLKS IN HOUSTON WHO CAN DO THIS, THIS WORK, THE REPAIR WORK TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS, I GUESS THAT AN ISSUE THEN BECOMES THE OWNER HAS ALREADY PURCHASED ALL THE WINDOWS AT THEIR EXPENSE.
WE DON'T HAVE A QUOTE, I'M GUESSING ON WHAT A REPAIR FOR THE EXISTING ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULD BE.
DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S ABOUT THE SAME, THE REPAIR VERSUS THE NEW? IT'S THE COST THE SAME USUALLY TO REPAIR THEM.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE THIS BAD.
DON'T, YOU'RE MAKING BRAND NEW WINDOWS OUT OF PAYING A CAR, THE EXISTING AND MILL ALL THE SAME DETAILS AND MAKE BRAND NEW WINDOWS.
WITH EITHER MAKE THEM HAVE SINGLE PANE GLASS OR DOUBLE PANED GLASS, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY, YOU'RE NOT SAVING ANYTHING OUT OF HIS WINDOWS.
YOU'RE JUST MILLING NEW REPLICA REPLICA, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE OWNER HAS ALREADY PURCHASED.
CORRECT? HE, HE WOULD SPIT MORE WITH A CUSTOM FABRICATION THAN HE HAS WITH GEL WINDOW BY NEW WINDOWS.
COULD WE, BUT THERE WOOD? SURE.
YEAH, WINDOWS IN THE EXACT DIMENSIONS.
OKAY, JESSE, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
I MEAN, THEY EXACT ONE, I HAVE A QUESTION I LIKE TO ADD TO THAT.
UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER SABA, PLEASE PROCEED.
UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE WINDOW, EVEN IF THEY'RE RE MILLED, HAVE REBUILT,
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I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KEEP THE SAME GLASS AND PUT THOSE INTO THE NEW FRAME FOR, UH, AND THEN IT'S OLD GROWTH WOOD.I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEW WINDOWS.
UH, THE CENTER MUTTON IS VERY NARROW THOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, REPLACING IT, IT'S VERY NARROW COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL ONES.
UH, IT'S THE ORIGINAL, IT'S ONE AND A HALF INCH INCHES WIDE.
AND THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S HALF AN INCH.
SO THAT'S ONE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, I, THIS COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US BEFORE I DIDN'T, WHAT ACTION DID WE TAKE ON IT? IT WAS DEFERRED.
IT JUST DIDN'T SAY IN THE PACKET.
SO WE DEFERRED IT FOR SOMEONE TO GO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS TO ASSESS THEIR CONDITION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE CORRECT.
AS ROMAN MENTIONED, HE HAD TO WAIT TO, UH, UNTIL THE OWNER GOT BACK IN TOWN TO SCHEDULE A VISIT.
AND, UM, AND IN THE, IN THIS APPLICATION, THERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF, UM, OF THE STATE, OF THE WINDOWS AS WELL, UH, THE, OF THE DISREPAIR OF THE FORMER WINDOWS.
SO ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF, UH, STAFF OR ABOUT THE MUTTON? YES, THAT WAS RAISED.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MU UM, SO THIS IS NOT A TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
THE REPLACEMENT IS NOT, OR IT IS SIMULATED SIMUL DIVIDED LIGHT.
ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT, BUT NOT A DIVIDED LIGHT.
I WOULD SOME BELIEVE, MY BELIEF FROM LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS IS THAT THE MUTTON WITS ARE THE SAME.
THAT THE ORIGINAL IS SEVEN EIGHTS.
AND WHAT THESE PROPOSING IS SEVEN EIGHTS.
WELL, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC, UM, UH, COM, UH, FORUM ON THIS ITEM.
I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK ROMAN FOR HIS TIME AND THE PROFESSIONALISM.
I MEAN, I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE DILEMMAS THAT YOU'RE FACE, BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO SEEK HERE IS A PRAGMATIC SOLUTION.
AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION ROMAN AND I HAD WHEN WE, WHEN HE ACTUALLY SAW THE WINDOWS, AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY HAD DONE WORK ON THEM AND BY THE TIME WE GO BACK AND TRY AND REBUILD THEM AGAIN, THEY'RE NO LONGER OLD WINDOWS.
AND AS WE SAID, WE TRIED TO FIX 'EM WHEN WE FIRST DID THE MAJOR REMODEL OF THE HOUSE.
BUT NOW A FEW YEARS LATER, THEY'RE TO THE POINT THEY'RE END OF LIFE.
SO REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS SPEAKER? THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT BY CHAT AND NOT IN ADVANCE, SIR.
WELL, SO WITH THAT, UM, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND UM, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, RECOMMENDATION? COMMISSIONER MCNEIL? IS THERE A SECOND? CURRY SECONDS? CURRY SECONDS.
UH, ALL THOSE OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER STAAVA OPPOSES.
ARE THERE ANY INTENTIONS? I KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER YAP IS OUTSIDE IS ONE WITH THAT, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
AND WITH THAT, UH, I BELIEVE ENDS I ITEM NUMBER A.
NOW WE WILL PROCEED, I BELIEVE WITH ITEM B, CORRECT.
UH, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION FOR 2 0 1 9 NORTH SHEPHERD.
THE, THIS ITEM B AND C ARE THE SAME.
THESE ARE A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION FOR TWO SURFACE AIR.
REALLY SURFACE PARKING LOTS AT THIS POINT ARE ACTUALLY EMPTY.
UH, 2019 AND 2101 NORTH SHEPHERD.
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YOUR REPORT MAY HAVE A FEW EXTRA PAGES IN IT.I MEANT FOR IT TO BE JUST TWO PAGES.
AND THE IMPORTANT IS THE IMAGE HERE.
UH, THE LOT IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IN THIS IMAGE.
THIS IS NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS NOTHING THERE THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
SO, UH, SOMEONE HAS REQUESTED PERHAPS FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S REQUESTING TO HAVE THIS IN THEIR HANDS.
A, A CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION FOR LEGAL? IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER BOTH OF THESE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER IF THEY'RE SIMILAR IN NATURE OR DID IT NEED TO BE? UM, I WOULD TAKE SEPARATE VOTES ON THEM SINCE THEY'RE A SEPARATE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT ITEM B 2 0 1 9 NORTH SHEPHERD? WHAT'S THE POINT OF A NON DESIGNATION IF IT'S NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? HAVE THE ORDINANCE OPEN.
AND DOES THAT, UH, I MEAN COMMISSIONER, WOULD THAT CARRY FORWARD IF AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED? I THINK IT, I'M GONNA LET, I'M GONNA LET THIS BE READ OFF.
I THINK IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, IF YOU WERE TO TRANSFER THIS PROPERTY TO A NEW OWNER, OR YOU WERE THE CURRENT OWNER AND YOU WERE CONSIDERING YOUR OPTIONS, AND I BELIEVE THESE, THESE LAST FOR 10 YEARS, YOU CAN RENEW 'EM.
IF I'M THINKING IT'S THE RIGHT TOOL, IT IT, IT'S A WAY TO JUST SAY THAT THE CITY'S NOT CONCERNED WITH THIS PROPERTY HAVING HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
BUT I'M GONNA DEFER TO MS. MICKELSON.
THEY'RE BOTH VACANT LOTS, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THE DIRT'S HISTORIC, BUT
MAYBE IT'S A HISTORIC PARKING LOT.
SO I WAS CURIOUS, ROMAN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE, WHEN THE LOTS WERE CLEARED OR WHEN THE BUILDINGS WERE TAKEN DOWN? THEY WERE USED FOR A LOT.
THEY, IF, IF YOU A GOOGLE STREET VIEW, I SAW PARKING SURFACE LOTS THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK THOSE GO PRESENTLY.
THERE COULD BE ALSO BE A TURNED UP A LOT.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES IS OF COURSE OUR ARCHEOLOGISTS AND UH, IF YOU NEEDED DEFER THE ITEM,
I I IN ALL, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT SITE.
OH, I DID A LITTLE SLEEPING ON THIS ONE AND I LOOKED ON GOOGLE EARTH AND ON THE TOPOS.
UM, AND I WILL SAY GOOGLE EARTH HAS BUILDINGS LIKE, NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT ON THE NORTH LOT IN 2020.
BUT THEY ALSO SHOW IT DEMOLISHED IN 2020 WITHIN A MONTH.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DEMOLISHED IN JUNE OF 2022 OR NO? YEAH, DEMOLISHED IN MAY OF 2022.
BUT THERE'S BUILDING THERE IN JUNE OF 2022.
I COULDN'T, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE HAD THAT INFORMATION.
THEY WERE RECENTLY, YEAH, THEY WERE RECENTLY CLEARED.
THE ONE, UM, NEXT TO THE VAPE SHOP.
SO ON THE NORTH 2021, I BELIEVE WAS A, UM, RESALE SHOP.
UM, KIND OF, IT LOOKED LIKE A MID-CENTURY COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT.
UM, AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE 2019.
UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A RESTAURANT THERE AGAIN, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AUTO ERA, FAIRLY NONDESCRIPT COMMERCIAL.
YES, I I'VE PULLED UP THE CODE.
UM, IT SAYS THAT AN OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY MAY REQUEST ONE OF THESE.
IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE H-H-C-H-A-H-C SHALL GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION UNLESS YOU FIND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING FOUR.
THE SITE IS THE SUBJECT OF A PENDING APPLICATION FOR DESIGNATION AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
LANDMARK OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE.
IT'S CONTAINED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
IT'S ELIGIBLE AS A SITE FOR DESIGNATION OR IT'S IN AN AREA ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AS A DISTRICT AND MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IF THE AREA WERE TO BE DESIGNATED.
SO THOSE ARE THE PARAMETERS YOU LOOK AT.
OTHERWISE IT'S FAIRLY, APPEARS TO BE FAIRLY NON-DISCRETIONARY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR, OR, OR ATTORNEY? AND IT DOES EXPIRE AFTER 10 YEARS TO MR. MR. COUCH.
OH, WHEN WE DID ONE OF THESE BEFORE, ISN'T IT SOMETHING THAT'S AUTOMATIC? LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE VOTE ON IT BECAUSE IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, IT IT IS BECOMES THAT IF THEY APPLY FOR IT.
I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE DID.
'CAUSE THIS WAS A, A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS AGO, SOMETHING, WE HAD ONE LIKE THIS.
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TO US TO VOTE ON, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.UM, YEAH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT, BUT SO, BUT IT'S, IT'S LIKE A SHALL APPROVE, LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES THIS NON-DESIGNATED THING.
NO, IT SAYS THE COMMISSION SHALL APPROVE IT.
WHICH ANTICIPATES ACTION ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSION.
I I DON'T REMEMBER ONE WHERE WE DIDN'T VOTE.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, ACTUALLY FOLLOW, UM, I, I WANT THEM TO FINISH FIRST.
SO, UH, KIM, FOLLOWING YOUR FOUR OR FIVE CRITERIA THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, CAN WE NOW, UH, PUN THE BALL BACK TO, UH, ROMAN TO SAY IS ADJACENT TO THIS TWO LOTS.
ARE THERE ANY BOUNDARIES OF ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, NEXT TO IT OR A PROTECTED LANDMARK PROPERTY NEXT TO IT? I MEAN, THE ANSWER IS YES.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK STAFF THAT OR PUNT IT BACK, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD.
YEAH, WE MET THE CRITERIA AS WE SEE OUR HERE ON THE SCREEN.
THE, UM, THIS PRO, THIS IS ONE THAT, UM, MEETS THE CRITERIA TO BE GRANTED THIS CERTIFICATE.
SO WE'VE, IT DOESN'T HAVE, THERE'S NOT A DISTRICT ADJACENT, THERE'S NOT A PROTECTED OR LANDMARK ADJACENT.
SO WE HAVE NO COST NOT TO GIVE HIM THE APPROVAL, GIVE THE APPLICANT THE APPROVAL.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION, I'M GONNA JUST, UH, COMMISSIONER BOW, PLEASE PROCEED.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS IS GRANTED, IF THERE IS SOME DAY THAT WE FIND THAT SOMETHING HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY AND, UM, THERE IS TO BE A MARKER, UM, PLACED THERE, WOULD THIS CERTIFICATE, UH, PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? OR COULD WE GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? I, I'M SORRY.
IF, IF YOU WERE TO PUT A MARKER IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, CITY CAN ALWAYS UTILIZE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND YOU COULD EVEN LOOK TO INCLUDE THIS IN A DISTRICT IF THE, UH, IF THE NON DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE HAD EXPIRED, BUT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WE COULD PUT A, A CER UH, A SIGN WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL SEE MORE OF THESE AND JUST TRY AND CONVEY THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE, UM, COMMITTING THESE AND MAKING SURE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE STILL ABLE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE, HIS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE MAY, MAYBE NOT OF THE ARCHITECTURE SO MUCH, BUT OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
UH, WITH THIS, I'M JUST GONNA CHECK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT BY CHAT AND NOT IN ADVANCE, SIR.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE A COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD BRING A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION FOR 2019 NORTH SHEPHERD DRIVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE SECONDS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAINING MOTION PASSES WILL MOVE TO ITEM C, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND OF, AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF NON DESIGNATION FOR 2 1 0 1 NORTH SHEPHERD COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS THE SAME, UH, SAME SIDE AS Y'ALL JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I DID PULL UP IN CASE YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR MAPS AND YOU GET CONCERNED, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGE UNUSUAL NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT YOU ALWAYS PICK UP IN THE HEIGHTS AND IT DOES LOOP AROUND THIS AREA, BUT IT'S NOT A TYPICAL, IT'S NOT A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT IT IS, IS A, THEY DON'T DO 'EM ANYMORE.
THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION.
IT'S A, UH, I FORGOT THE EXACT TERM, BUT THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL REGISTERED PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS HUGE AREA THAT HAS A MAP OVER THAT COVERS THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS AREA.
UH, I COULD SEE COMMISSIONER JONES, YOU CAN NOD ON THAT.
BUT IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY OCCURRING AT THESE SITES OR ADJACENT TO THANK YOU.
IT'S BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE RESOURCES THAT FALL WITHIN THIS AREA COULD BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THANK YOU AGAIN WITH NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. UH, COMMISSIONERS.
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NO MOTION TO ACCEPT COMMISSIONER MCNEIL, ADVOCATE OF NON DESIGNATION FOR 2101 LORD.IS THERE A SECOND? HE HOP SECONDS.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS THAT THAT PASSES? UM, THAT MOVES US TO, UM, DE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN.
SO I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO THE 1405 AUSTIN PROJECT THAT WE PRESENTED EARLIER TODAY.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION MEMBERS REALIZE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS, WE CALLED IN BEFORE THEY EVEN PUT THIS HOUSE UNDER CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD, OBVIOUSLY WE KNEW WE HAD TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, BUT THEY, THEY KNEW THAT THIS WAS A DIFFICULT PROJECT, BUT THAT WE WERE TOLD BY STAFF THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO TEAR ANYTHING OFF OF THE BUILDING AS LONG AS WE BROUGHT IT, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK THE OLD SIDING, DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO BRING THIS BACK TO LIFE.
AND SO SITTING IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE DEFERRED AND THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CREATING AN INSET AND GETTING BACK TO 29 0 4 SQUARE FEET GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE TOLD AND THE HOMEOWNERS PURCHASED THIS HOUSE, PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT TO TAKE IT ON KNOWING THAT IT WAS CHALLENGING.
SO IT'S OKAY THAT IT'S DEFERRED AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE WHAT THE, THE BEST THAT WE CAN, WHAT THE ORIGINAL AS-BUILTS WERE, BUT THEY'RE DOING A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY BY TAKING THIS ON AND TURNING SOMETHING THAT'S WAS A REALLY HORRIBLE SITUATION AND TRYING TO MAKE IT RIGHT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? OKAY, NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS OR HAVE COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE.
UM, FROM OUR LAST MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A, A, UM, WE CONTINUED OUR WINDOW DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY ON, UM, ALUMINUM CASE MOUNT WINDOWS, UH, GLENBROOK VALLEY.
AND I WAS ABLE TO, UM, GO OVER TO DON YOUNG AND VISIT WITH A COUPLE OF THEIR SALESPEOPLE AT THEIR, UM, SHOWROOM HERE IN HOUSTON.
AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY, THE FOLKS IN THE HOUSTON SHOWROOM DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF A NEW PRODUCT COMING ON BOARD THAT HAD A THINNER, UM, MUTTON OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS THAT WOULD MORE CLOSELY REFLECT AN ALUMINUM CASEMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO REPORT OUT, UM, IF WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
YOU HAVE, THEY, THEY DISCLOSED THAT THERE COULD BE SOMETHING OUT THERE THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF YET.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS JASON THAT WAS WORKING ON IT.
IF, IF THERE WAS ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PRODUCT.
THE PRODUCT THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT'S NEW.
IT, IT'S, IT WASN'T A DON YOUNG PRODUCT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, UM, WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A CREST MARK OR SOMETHING.
UM, UH, JASON, IF YOU DON'T, I KNOW VOICE STRUGGLING THERE TOO.
SORRY, I'M NOT SPEAKING TODAY ONLY 'CAUSE I HAVE A REALLY BAD HEAD AND CHEST COLD.
WHEN WE STARTED TALKING, I STARTED HAVING COUGHING FITS, UM, WHAT WE HAD SEEN AT THE LAST COMMISSION WERE WINDOWS THERE BY CREST MARK.
AND WE HAVE TWO COMPANIES THAT WERE PROVIDING THOSE TWO, THE HOMEOWNERS.
AND I REMEMBER, I THINK STEVEN CURRY, WE BLEW IT UP.
I, AND WE COULD SEE THEY'RE ON THIS SPEC SHEET IT AT CRES MARK.
AND, AND YOU JUST SAID, AND WHO ARE THE COMPANIES, THE COMPANY PROVIDING TO TWO HOMEOWNERS? YOU MEAN CURRENT PROJECTS? WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO COMPANIES THAT ARE PROVIDING THEM.
DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE? UM, GIMME A SECOND.
UH, OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME THE WINDOWS CENTER AND THEIR ONE IS ALLSTATE SIDING AND WINDOWS.
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THANK YOU.UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW THOSE ADDRESSES THAT WHERE THEY GOT, UH, INSTALLED AT? GO AHEAD.
UH, ONE WAS 76 10 WILMER, THAT WAS DONE BACK IN, UH, OCTOBER, I BELIEVE.
AND THERE ONE JUST RECENTLY GOT APPROVED LAST MAY, UH, 70, UH, IT WAS IN GLEN VISTA, I BELIEVE IT WAS A CORNER LOT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FROM THE COMMISSION OR COMMENTS OR JUST IN GENERAL? JUST IN GENERAL.
UH, YES, I DO HAVE, BECAUSE I'M STILL, IT'S A VERY TOUGH THING TO NOT BE, UM, SYMPATHETIC TO THE OWNER OF THE NEW OWNER OF 40 0 14 0 5 ALSTON.
BUT I THINK IN, IN THIS CASE, UH, IT IS A TRIANGLE WHEREBY WE NEED TO GET MY, I THINK THE KEY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE NEW ADDITION THAT THEY PUT ON OR NOT, ALTHOUGH, UH, IN TERMS OF FAR OR THING LIKE THAT, IS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, EXTENDED THE, THE SIDEWALL STRAIGHT OUT TO THE BACK.
UH, BUT IT, I THINK IT, IT VIOLATES TWO CODES.
NUMBER ONE, IT VIOLATED US IN A SENSE THAT THERE'S NO INSERT.
AND THE SECOND THING, IT MAY HAVE VIOLATED EVEN STRUCTURAL CODE OF, OF, UH, THE SETBACK.
SO ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE SYMPATHETIC, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF HAVING THIS, UH, UH, I GUESS, UH, REVIEW AND, UH, UH, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH STAFF, I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO INCLUDE STRUCTURE AND ENGINEERS, UH, INPUT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES ARE, ARE, UH, CONCERNS ARE MET, BASICALLY BECAUSE I WANT TO VERY MUCH PASS THIS PERSON BUYING BECAUSE THEY'VE SPENT, THEY ARE MAKING A COMMITMENT.
UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA OPEN A PANDORA'S BOX IN, IN THAT REGARD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO, UM, BRING THIS MEETING TO A CLOSE.
SIR, DID YOU WANT TO HEAR AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS DON'T MAKE ME SEPARATE YOU TO ATTEND THE NAPC CONFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, THE NAPC CONFERENCE IS A VERY GOOD CONFERENCE, SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE PITCH TO PLEASE CHECK YOUR SCHEDULES AND IT'S IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS HERE.
WE, WE, YOU COULD, THERE'S STILL TIME IF YOU WANTED TO ATTEND, ESPECIALLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THAT CONFERENCE.
IT'S THE BEST CONFERENCE I'VE SEEN EVER IN THE COUNTRY ON PRESERVATION.
AND SO WE, YOU'VE RECEIVED SOME EMAILS, BUT PLEASE DO WE DO, UH, RIGHT NOW A COMMISSIONER DUBOSE IS GONNA ATTEND AND UH, I THINK A STAFF MEMBER LILLIAN TAL.
WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, IF YOU PURCHASE THE TICKETS, YOU'LL BE REIMBURSED FOR AS COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR AIRFARE AND FOR YOUR LODGING.
IT'LL BE REIMBURSED TO YOU IF YOU DO ATTEND.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LIMITED STAFF.
WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS POSTED, UH, FOR OUR STAFF, UH, TO GET US BACK AT SPEED AND COURSE COMMISSION, UH, STAFF MEMBER.
OUR SALON IS, UH, GONNA LEAVE ON MATERNITY LEAVE SHORTLY, SO WE'LL BE KIND OF LIMPING ALONG HERE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP UP AND, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S CALLS AT ANY TIME ON ANYTHING.
SO TERRANCE AND MADELINE HAVE BOTH LEFT ALREADY? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALTHOUGH AS WE SAW TODAY, UH, STAFF MEMBER JACKSON MADE A GUEST APPEARANCE.
OKAY, ROMAN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ITEM F.
UM, WITH THAT WE WILL BRING THE MEETING TO A CLOSE.