[Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission on May 19, 2022.]
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UH, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE ARCH HOUSTON ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION, HAHC, IS CALLED TO ORDER.I'M COMMISSION CHAIR DAVID HICK.
UM, TO VERIFY WE HAVE CORUM, I WILL CALL.
THE ROLE, UM, IS COMMISSIONER ASHLEY JONES.
PRESENT, PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER TANYA DEBO.
PRESENT WHO, UH, BUT CHAIR EK IS PRESENT AS COMMISSIONER BETH AUER JACKSON.
PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER JOHN COSGROVE.
PRESENT IS COMMISSIONER STEVEN MCNEIL.
IT'S COMMISSIONER CHUCK STAAVA.
I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE, UM, THE ELECTION FOR THE VICE CHAIR.
AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR IF THERE ARE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE.
MR. CHAIR, MAY WE RECOGNIZE THAT JENNIFER OLAND IS ALSO PRESENT TO COUNT TOWARDS QUORUM Y? YES.
SO IS DIRECTOR IS DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNIFER OLAND.
I'LL AMEND MY, MY ORDER OF CALL.
SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, THEN BACK TO THE ELECTION FOR VICE CHAIR AND I'M OPENING THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I NOMINATE, UH, STEPHEN CURRY, UH, FOR THE VICE CHAIR POSITION.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE WHAT? JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN WITH THE FLOOR FOR THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FIRST BEFORE WE, UM, DO, DO WE NEED A A SECOND FOR THAT FIRST? OR, OR JUST NOMINATION NOMINATIONS.
YOU JUST NOMINATE BY ONE ONE CALL.
SO, SO WE'RE OPEN TO OTHER NOMINATIONS AT THIS TIME AS WELL.
UH, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CURRY.
I'D LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER YAP.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION OF MY OWN.
IT'S GONNA NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER BETH WEAU JACKSON, AND, UH, OFFER HER MY SUPPORT FOR THAT ROLE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? COMMISSIONER CURRY? DOES THAT MEAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW YOUR NAME FROM CONSIDERATION? IF, UH, IF THAT'S AN OPTION, THEN YES, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY, I GUESS WE, WE DON'T NEED A SECOND, BUT, UM, I WILL CALL A VOTE OF THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR VICE CHAIR.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, OF, UH, BETH WEAU JACKSON AS VICE CHAIR.
ARE ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? CONGRATULATIONS.
UM, NEXT, UM, NEXT I BELIEVE ON THE AGENDA IS THE MAYOR, UH, SORRY.
IS THE, IS THE, IS, UM, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UM, REPORT.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M JENNIFER OSLAND, SECRETARY OF THIS COMMISSION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO NEW VICE CHAIR.
UH, WHY WINE HOUR JACKSON? SORRY.
UM, UH, OTHER NEWS, I WANT TO CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR FORMER CHAIRMAN AT BEZEL WHO WAS RECOGNIZED BY MAYOR TURNER WITH A PROCLAMATION ON MAY 10TH AS PRESERVATIONIST OF THE YEAR.
THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WAS PREVIOUSLY BESTOWED ON OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, TANYA DEBO.
AS YOU KNOW, THIS BODY APPROVED THE PROPOSED RIVERSIDE TERRACE HISTORIC DISTRICT LAST MONTH ON APRIL 21ST AND FORWARDED IT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
COUNCIL HAS SET THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR JUNE 8TH, 2022, AND FOLLOWING IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR PRESERVATION WORK, UM, THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND TODAY'S AGENDA.
NEW PROTECTED AND TWO LANDMARKS WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 20TH.
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THERE HAVE BEEN NO APPEALS BOARD MEETING SINCE FEBRUARY 28TH, 2022.STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 152 APPLICATIONS TO DATE FOR 2022.
OF THOSE 49 WERE REVIEWED BY THIS COMMISSION THIS PAST MONTH OF APRIL.
STAFF REVIEWED 11 ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ITEMS WITH 42 AS THE YEAR TO DATE TOTAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
STAFF ALSO RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR FOUR PRE-APPLICATION DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS SINCE APRIL, WITH A TOTAL OF 22 TO DATE FOR 2022.
AND, UM, TODAY WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE PATRICIA BENAVIDEZ, WHO YOU KNOW, UM, WHO IS RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
ACTUALLY TOMORROW IS HER LAST DAY AFTER 35 YEARS WITH THE CITY, I THINK 22, WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, HER PUBLIC SERVICE BEGAN WITH CITY OF HOUSTON ON DECEMBER 10TH, 1986, STARTING WITH THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
SHE ALSO WORKED FOR THE MUNICIPAL CHANNEL, UH, KNOWN AS HTV FOR SIX YEARS BEFORE COMING OVER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SHE'S WORKED HARD AND EFFECTIVELY AS OUR RECORDS ADMINISTRATOR AND IN SUPPORT OF THIS COMMISSION.
WE WILL, AS STAFF MISS HER DEARLY.
UM, SHE'S SUPER ORGANIZED AND DEPENDABLE, UM, AND WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WE'LL DO WITHOUT HER.
UM, BUT WE DO WISH HER ALL THE BEST.
UM, SHE'S RE ACTUALLY RETIRING, UM, AND GOING TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH HER FAMILY.
AND IN CLOSING, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL THE HOUSTON OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HOTLINE AT 8 3 2 3 9 3 6 5 5 6 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE@HOUSTONPLANNING.COM.
IS THERE, UM, THE MAYOR'S LIAISON REPORT TODAY? NOT HEARING ONE.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR APRIL 21ST HAHC MEETING, WHICH WERE POSTED WITH THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS, UH, REGARDING THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE SECONDS.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? I HAVE A I
WE'LL HAVE TO SUSTAIN MOVING FORWARD.
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK APPLICATION FOR THE JOHN C PEN HOUSE AT 4 28 HAWTHORNE STREET, HOUSTON, 7 7 0 0 6 CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, PRESENT TO YOU A PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PEN HOUSE, THE JOHN C PENTHOUSE.
THIS IS A QUEEN ANNE STYLE, TWO STORY CLAPPER HOME WITH A WRAPAROUND PORCH BUILT IN 1906.
IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLIEST HOUSES BUILT IN WESTMORELAND BY RUSSELL BROWN.
AND JOHN PENN WAS A PROMINENT REAL ESTATE BROKER AND WAS, WAS THE FIRST OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND LIVED THERE WITH HIS FAMILY UNTIL 1914.
THE HOUSE IS IN THE MONTROSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AS YOU SEE IN YOUR REPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY ABOUT MONTROSE.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE LINK MANSION IS IN MONTROSE AT THE CORNER OF WEST ALABAMA AND MONTROSE.
AND THAT'S NOT THE HOWARD HUGHES HOUSE.
RIGHT? A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT'S THE HOWARD HUGHES HAS.
IT TELLS YOU THE FULL HISTORY THERE.
THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF THE MONTROSE HISTORY.
IT'S INTERESTING IS, UH, THAT A STREETCAR RAN THROUGH MONTROSE AND THE HOUSTON POST NAMED MONTROSE AT THE TIME, OR DESCRIBED IT AS THE MOST FASHIONABLE DISTRICT OF HOUSTON BETWEEN WESTMORELAND AND MAINE AND THE SOUTH END LINE STREETCAR PASSED THROUGH IT.
ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IN HISTORY, 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT, THAT RAIL LINE AND ALL THE RAIL LINES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES WERE DISMANTLED BY A CONSORTIUM THAT WAS CONVICTED IN THE CHICAGO COURTROOM IN THE 1940S FOR DISMANTLING THE, THE US STREETCAR SYSTEM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS STANDARD OIL, GOODYEAR AND GENERAL MOTORS THAT WERE FINED A DOLLAR FOR THAT.
BUT WEST WESTMORELAND IS A GREAT HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONG DESCRIPTION
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OF THAT THERE.AND THEN A LITTLE ABOUT JOHN C PENN.
HIS FATHER ROBERT PENN WAS FROM VIRGINIA.
AND HIS MOTHER SARAH ALLEN WAS BORN IN TEXAS.
JOHN PENN WAS ONE OF FIVE CHILDREN.
PENN OWNED AND OPERATED A SUCCESSFUL REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT COMPANY.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT LIVED THERE.
THEY HANDLED THE COMPANY, HANDLED REAL ESTATE LOANS AND INVESTMENTS.
MR. AND MRS. PENN LIVED AT TWO 15 HAWTHORNE LATER, WHICH LATER BECAME 4 28 WITH THEIR FOUR CHILDREN, ROBERT JOHN JR.
AND THEIR DAUGHTER SIDNEY AND BESSIE.
AND THEY SUB SUBSEQUENTLY LIVED AT OTHER ATRAS ADDRESSES IN MONTROSE, FRANKIE PENN.
FRANKIE WHITE PENN WAS BORN IN MARCH OF 1868 AND DIED OF 1940.
AND, UH, SHE MARRIED JOHN PENN IN IN 1887.
THE HOUSE IS A QUEEN ANNE LATE VICTORIAN STYLE HOUSE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD ON A PEER AND BEAM FOUNDATION WITH A PROMINENT TWO-TIERED WRAPAROUND PORCH.
IT INCLUDES DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE TYPICAL OF THE VICTORIAN RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE, AN ASYMMETRICAL FOOTPRINT FRONT GD ROOFS, CENTRAL HIP ROOF, AND A LARGE PORCH EXEMPLIFY THIS STYLE, WHICH WAS POPULAR IN THE LATE 19TH AND EARLIEST 20TH CENTURIES.
THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON WESTMORELAND HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AS PART OF THE WESTMORELAND NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, ROMAN, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION? MAY I ASK, UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT'S UP TO SPEAK? IF SO, I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE LISTED ON MY SPEAKER LIST.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, ASK THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, IS THERE, SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND DE BOTH? YEAH.
MR. CHAIR, WHO DID YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THE SECOND PLEASE? COMMISSIONER STAAVA.
THE NEXT TOSS UPS GONNA GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA FLIP COINS THOUGH, BUT WE WILL, WE WILL.
UH, ALSO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAINING? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM B, THE PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK APPLICATION FOR THE HOUSE AT 1134 EAST 14TH STREET, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 7, SORRY, 7 7 0 0 9.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE HOUSE AT 1134 EAST 14TH STREET.
IT'S A ONE STORY FRAME, CRAFTSMAN STYLE BUNGALOW BUILT IN 1927.
THE HOUSE WAS LOCATED IN THE NORTH SECTION OF THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MS. YVONNE BONNER PURCHASED THE HOUSE IN 1995 AND IS THE CURRENT OWNER.
SHE UNDERTOOK A HISTORIC REHABILITATION PROJECT FROM 2020 TO 21 TO RESTORE ELEMENTS OF THE HOLMES HISTORIC CHARACTER.
IT SITS ON A PEER AND BEAM FOUNDATION.
THE HOUSE HAS A MEDIUM PITCHED HIP ROOF WITH BOXED EAVES.
THE PARTIAL WIDTH INSERT INSET PORCH FEATURES A FRONT FACING PROJECTING GABLE ROOF.
THERE IS A RECTANGULAR VENT IN THE GABLE.
THE ASYMMETRICAL FRONT FACADE CONTAINS TWO BAYS.
THE HOUSE IS CLA IN NARROW HORIZONTAL SIDING WITH A WIDE WOODEN STRING COURSE BELOW THE EAVES.
THE FIRST LEFT BAY CONTAINS A PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE SASH WINDOWS WITH A WOODEN SURROUND AND WOODEN CELL.
THE HOUSE AT 1134 EAST 14TH STREET MEETS CRITERIA 1, 4, 5, AND EIGHT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND CRITERIA ONE AND THREE FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, RECOMMENDS THIS TO CITY COUNCIL AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.
AND THIS APPLICATION WAS, AND THIS REPORT WAS, UM, PREPARED BY PRESERVATION HOUSTON, WHICH WE THANK THEM FOR IT.
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SIGNED UP SPEAKERS AS WE KNOW OF.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM COMMISSION? MR. COUCH? SO THIS IS ALREADY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES.
SO WHAT'S IS THERE, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF IT'S ALREADY GOT ALL THE SAME PROTECTIONS, IT'S JUST ON RECORD.
UM, ALTHOUGH IT OFFERS THE SAME PROTECTION, SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THAT PLAQUE AND TAKE PRIDE IN PUTTING IT ON THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SOME HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN DIFFERENT CITIES DO OFFER PLAQUES FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND BECAUSE WE DON'T, AND THEY WOULD LIKE THAT, UM, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF, UM, LANDMARKS AND PROTECTED LANDMARK IN, IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BUT THERE'S NO DIFFERENT IN THE TAX EXEMPTION OR THE GUIDELINES 'CAUSE A CONTRIBUTING HOME IS PROTECTED AS MUCH AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, BUT IN CASE THERE IS SOMEONE HERE IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY, ARE THERE ANY, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? NOT HEARING ANY.
I'M GONNA CLOSE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'M GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER AUER JACKSON MOVES TO APPROVE THE, UH, PROPERTY AS A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
MR. BOTH
ARE THERE ANY IN, UH, OPPOSING? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES AND IS UNANIMOUS.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPLICATIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
ROMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LET US KNOW YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? SORRY, LET ME REPEAT THAT.
I'M ROMAN MCALLEN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
I RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR ACTION PER STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS IN ONE MOTION.
ITEM C 1 4 0 4 HIGHLAND, AN ADDITION IN THE WOOD WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 2 9 1 2 CORTLAND STREET, AN ADDITION IN THE HOUSTON HEIGHTS SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
APPROVAL ITEM C3 AT 8 28 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
AN ALTERATION NON TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
HOUSTON HEIGHTS, SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ISSUANCE OF A C OF R.
ITEM C 4 11 20 ASHLAND STREET AND ADDITION AND HOUSTON HEIGHTS, WEST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 5 13 0 3 CORTLAND STREET.
THIS IS A NEW AUXILIARY BUILDING IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 6 29 11 JULIAN STREET AND ADDITION OF A ON A PROTECTED LANDMARK FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 7 19 73 WEST GRAY STREET, AN ALTERATION TO A LANDMARK DENIAL ITEM C 8 1 0 1 WEST 14TH STREET, A SIGN ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL ITEM THAT'S GOTTA GET THAT RIGHT ITEM C 9 7 6 0 3 GLEN VISTA STREET, UH, WINDOWS IN GLENBROOK VALLEY.
APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS ITEM C 10 AND 6 23 AT 6 23 BAYLIN STREET AND ADDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM C 13 6 0 6 HIGHLAND STREET, AN ADDITION IN THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 15 1 0 5 1 HEIGHTS BOULEVARD, A SIGN ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN HOUSTON HEIGHTS, SOUTH HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM C 16 AT 4 0 3 1 NOR HILL BOULEVARD.
IN ADDITION, IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ITEM C 17 11 41 EAST 11TH STREET ASSIGN IN THE NOR HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REQUEST APPROVAL OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE ITEMS. SO TO BE CLEAR ON YOUR LIST THEN, THE ITEMS WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ARE C 11, C 12, AND C 14 ROMAN.
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ON THE CONSENT AGENDA COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER SEPARATELY? COMMISSIONER CURRY? I REQUEST THAT WE, UH, PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM, UH, C SEVEN AND, UH, YAP WOULD LIKE TO PULL C ONE, UH, AND, UM, AND 16.AND I'LL ASK FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR C NINE AS WELL, PLEASE.
SO I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA JUST LIST THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL LIST FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ITEM C TWO, C3, C FOUR, C FIVE, C SIX, C EIGHT, C 10, C 13, C 15, AND C 17.
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I'M GONNA ASK IF THERE, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, I BELIEVE ON MY LIST IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. UM, IF THERE IS AN, I WANNA OPEN UP, UP TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, IF YOU ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS, UH, THESE ARE ON THE SLATE TO BE APPROVED WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
IS ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THESE MATTERS ON, ON THESE ITEMS? UH, YES.
I'M, UH, REPRESENTING 4 0 3 1 NOR HILL BOULEVARD.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TAKING PART IN, IN SUCH A HEARING AND I JUST WANTED TO YES.
YOUR, YOUR PROJECT WILL BE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AND SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN IT, WHEN IT IS DISCUSSED.
IT'S NOT ONE OF THE, IT'S NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
SO I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, UM, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS SLATE OF CONSENT AG ITEMS AND AT THE SAME TIME APPROVE THESE ITEMS AS C OF A'S COMMISSIONER CURRY.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? IS THERE ANY ABS ABSTENTIONS.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER COUCH ABSTAINS.
AND NOW WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM C 1 4 0 4 HIGHLAND STREET.
HI, THIS IS STAFF MEMBER ARSLAN.
UM, TODAY I SUBMIT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM C ONE AT 4 0 4 HIGHLAND STREET HOUSTON IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS.
THE PROPERTY IS ON A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT.
IT'S A CONTRIBUTING QUEEN END STYLE, CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1910.
THE HOUSE AT 4 0 4 HIGHLAND STREET IS A TWO STORY 2,249 SQUARE FEET.
THE EXISTING SECOND STORY OF THE HOUSE IS A NON-ORIGINAL EDITION.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE FOLLOWING TO BUILD A TWO STORY 886 SQUARE FOOT EDITION THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE BACK OF THE HOME FOR A TOTAL LIVING SPACE OF 3,135 SQUARE FEET.
THE NEW TWO STORY EDITION WILL FEATURE A HIP ROOF WITH A SLOPE OF SEVEN 12 TO MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF AND WILL MATCH THE EXISTING COMPOSITION ROOFING MATERIAL.
THE ADDITION WILL FEATURE A FOUR AND A HALF WIDE LAP SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
ALL NEW WINDOWS ARE TO BE SET AND RECESSED INTO THE WALL OPENINGS.
AND ATTACHED 555 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE IS PROPOSED AND WILL BE ADDED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS CRITERIA AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND WE HAVE SARAH HANNA, WHO IS THE AGENT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
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COMM MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS ITEM? NOT HEARING ANY.I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC.
I, I HAVE SARAH HANNAH SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
UM, UH, VIRTUALLY, UM, I'M HERE JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT AT THIS TIME AND, UM, ASK IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, FROM STAFF, FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION.
I PULL THIS OUT, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, CONTEXT THAT I FEEL THAT THE, UM, THAT THE ADDITION, THE ENTIRE HOUSE AS ONE CONTIGUOUS STRUCTURE, UH, MASSING IS TOO BIG FOR ME.
UH, IF THEY COULD HAVE SEPARATED THE, THE GARAGE SOMEHOW, UH, AS NOT ONE CONTI, UH, CONTINUOUS STRUCTURE, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
UH, I REALIZE THAT IT HAS BEEN VOTED FOR APPROVAL, BUT I JUST WANNA VOTE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS OR, OR QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, NOT HEARING ONE.
IS THERE A, A, UH, A MOTION FOR, FOR THIS ITEM? MCNEIL MAKES A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? WE NEED LOST IN SECONDS.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UH, NAY COLUMN? YEAH.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, I BELIEVE IS C SEVEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
TODAY I PRESENT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM C 7 1 9 73 WEST GRAY STREET.
THIS IS ALSO A LANDMARK IN THE RIVER OAKS THEATER AND SHOPPING CENTER.
WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO DO IS DO ALTERATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE FRONT FACADE ATRIUM AREA.
AND ON THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS REPLACE, UH, NON HISTORIC, UH, WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THERE WILL BE RECESSED WITH MULTIPLE LIGHT PATTERNS.
THEY'LL ALSO PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE ALUMINUM DOORS OR REPLACE THE EXISTING DOORS WITH ALUMINUM TO HAVING A BLACK ANODIZED FINISH.
THERE IS A SECTION OF THE FRONT FACADE WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING WALL THAT APPEARS TO BE THE ORIGINAL FABRIC AND THEY WANT TO TAKE OUT THAT WALL AND INSTALL AN ALUMINUM WINDOW MEASURING BY 11 FEET BY SEVEN IN THE ATRIUM AREA.
THEY'LL BE REPLACING THE EXISTING DOORS WITH AN ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND A BLACK AND A DICE FINISH.
THERE ARE TWO FENESTRATIONS THAT THEY WILL BE ALSO REPLACING WITH ALUMINUM IN THE ATRIUM AREA.
THEY WILL BE TAKING OUT A EXISTING WALL AND REPLACING THAT WITH FENESTRATION MEASURING 12 FEET BY SEVEN INCHES ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THERE WILL BE REMOVING THE EXISTING GLASS BLOCK AND INSTALL A SINGLE ALUMINUM DOOR WITH A ONE OVER SIX LIGHT PATTERN.
THIS OPENING WILL BE REDUCED AND THEY ALSO REMOVE EXISTING DOORS AND INSTALL A SINGLE DOOR WITH ONE LIGHT PATTERNING.
THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER CURRY WITH QUESTION FOR JASON, PLEASE.
UH, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, CORRECT? YES, I THAT IS CORRECT.
IT IS DENIAL BECAUSE OF DOES EXISTING WALL SECTIONS THAT APPEARS TO BE HISTORIC FABRIC AND THEY, UH, PROPOSED TO REMOVE THOSE EXISTING WALLS AND PUT IN WINDOWS.
AND IS ALL OF THE, UM, UH, AREAS WHERE THERE'S BEEN PROPOSED, UH, RE UH, RENOVATIONS CHANGES, UH, IN PROTECTED LANDMARK, UH, BUILDING? NO, THIS IS ONLY A LANDMARK.
SO THEY WILL HAVE THAT 90 DAY WAIVER.
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WHO SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION PLEASE? I HAVE THAT IT WAS A, THE AGENT LISA BROWN ON BEHALF OF WYN WHITMAN, WHO I BELIEVE IS THE OWNER.AND THEY LOOKED TO TURN THIS INTO A RESTAURANT.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA THE DATE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS? I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL.
NO, WE DO NOT HAVE A DATE OF THOSE.
ANY GUESSES? SO CAN I ASK WHAT THE, THE ISSUE WITH THIS FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT'S TRIGGERING THE DENIAL IS THE REMOVAL OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE GLASS BLOCK ON THE REAR FACADE? THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT, YES.
'CAUSE THAT WHAT APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
AND IF IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE 1930S, IT'S WELL OVER 50 YEARS.
UH, SO HOW DOES, I THOUGHT THE 90 DAY WAIVER WAS ONLY FOR DEMOLITION.
SO IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS, THEY CAN STILL USE A 90 DAY WAIVER AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO, EVEN FOR LIKE
DOES COUNCILMAN WEIGH IN ON THIS? THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU CAN START, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
YES, THAT, THAT REALLY IS WHAT THE 90 DAY WAIVER MEANS.
AND THIS BUILDING OR THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION MANY TIMES AND OKAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY, OR MAYBE THERE'S HISTORY OF STAFF OR THE COMMISSION TRYING TO DO THAT.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IS PART OF THE 90 DAY WAIVER IS TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND SEE IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE OR CHANGE THEIR MINDS ON THAT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO TOO, WE ARE LOOKING AT TO SEE IF IT WAS SYMMETRICAL WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSED CENTER IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE'RE SEEING IF IT WAS SYMMETRICAL ON THE RIGHT.
THAT WALL SECTION HAS ALL BEEN REMOVED AND PUT IN WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS MM-HMM
AND WE ALSO LOOKED ACROSS THE STREET AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR RECORD HAS REACHED THE MAXIMUM LENGTH.
TO REPLAY YOUR MESSAGE, PRESS ONE.
TO DELETE AND RERECORD YOUR MESSAGE, PRESS THREE.
FOR DELIVERY OPTIONS, PRESS FOUR.
SO THERE'S NO, I I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING ORIGINAL ON THE ADJACENT SIDE OR ACROSS THE STREET AT THE STOREFRONT LEVEL.
WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY IT APPEARS THAT WAY.
I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE VIRTUALLY OR, OR IN THE ROOM AND PERHAPS THAT A COMMISSION MEMBER MIGHT MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
ARE, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? NOT HEARING ANYONE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT COMMISSIONERS.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR TO MAKE, UH, AN AMENDED A MOTION? YEP.
RECOMMENDS WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION COMMISSIONER STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION FOR DENIAL UH, PASSES.
CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS A STAFF PERSON, JASON AL.
I PRESENT FOR YOU YOUR CONSIDERATION ON ITEM C 9 7 6 0 3 GLEN VISA STREET.
THIS HAS BEEN A COA APPLICATION THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TWICE BEFORE.
AND AT THE TWO PREVIOUS MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY AND APRIL, IT WAS DEFERRED.
AT THE LAST MEETING, APRIL, IT WAS STATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE ALUMA WINDOW 'CAUSE PRIOR THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH VINYL.
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SO THEY HAVE COME BACK AND THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ORIGINAL ILLUMINA WINDOWS.THESE ARE THE ONES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
THERE'LL BE INSTALLATION OF SILVER ILLUMINA WINDOWS AND SET WITH THE COLONIAL LIGHT PATTERN.
THE EXISTING WINDOWS CURRENTLY HAVE BROKEN GLASS AIR LEAKAGE.
CONDENSATION AND SIL ROT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION TO MATCH EXISTING LIGHT PATTERN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DIAMOND PATTERN ON ONE FENESTRATION PER STAFF APPROVAL.
THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS YOUR COUCH, WHAT WINDOW DID THEY ACTUALLY END UP FINDING? THAT'S ALUMINUM.
IS IT, IS IT A SILVER ALUMINUM? IT WOULD BE ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH A SILVER FINISH.
THESE ARE GONNA BE DON YOUNG WINDOWS.
IT'LL SAY UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER.
ARE THOSE WINDOWS THAT WE SAW WHEN WE WENT ON THE TOUR OF BLOOMBERG VALLEY? NO, IT WAS NOT.
HAS ANYONE SEEN THESE WINDOWS IN REAL LIFE? YES.
THE PICTURES IN THE STAFF REPORT IS A SITE VISIT THAT ROMAN MACON AND I DID CONDUCT ON FEBRUARY 1ST AND SPOKE WITH THE HOMEOWNER.
OH, I MEAN, OF THE NEW WINDOWS OF, OF THE NEW WINDOWS.
WOULD YOU MIND TURNING ON YOUR MIC SO I COULD HEAR YOU? SORRY, I I'M GONNA GET IT RIGHT CLOSE TO MY MOUTH.
SO FOR THE NEW WINDOWS, IS THERE ANY PICTURES OF THOSE THAT WE CAN SEE? BECAUSE I SEE PICTURES OF THE OLD WINDOWS, BUT NOT THE NEW ONES.
LIKE, LIKE PROPOSE LIKE A, A HOUSE THAT HAS THOSE WINDOWS IN IT BECAUSE WE SAW SOME ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WERE ACCEPTABLE BEFORE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT THAT.
I HAVE ASKED THE, THE, UH, SUPPLIER FOR THOSE PICTURES.
AND THIS IS ALL THEY PROVIDED WAS A SPEC SHEET AND A PATTERN.
THEY DON'T HAVE A WINDOW IN THE SHOWROOM OR SOMETHING.
I I JUST, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS SO MANY TIMES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUT IN THIS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITION PER STAFF APPROVAL.
SO ONCE THEY SUBMIT THAT AND WE GET MORE EVIDENCE, WE'LL GIVE THAT YAY OR NAY.
SO, AND THEY HAVE A SHOWROOM ON IN GARDEN OAKS? ON GARDEN OAKS BOULEVARD.
I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE ALUMINUM WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT THICKER, WIDER THAN, THAN THE REALLY NARROW ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
BUT IT'S A LOCAL TEXAS MANUFACTURER I'VE INSTALLED ON YOUNG WINDOWS MANY TIMES.
I I, IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEONE COULD JUST HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF ONE OF THE WINDOWS AS AN EXAMPLE TO INCLUDE IN THE REPORT.
THEY'RE DIRECT SELLER, THEY'RE ON YOUNG, YOU CAN GET STOCK PHOTOS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A PHOTO OF THE WINDOW.
THEY JUST HAVE TO APPROVE THE LIGHT PATTERN.
WE'VE JUST SEEN OTHER ILLUMINA WINDOWS THAT, THAT WE PASSED ON BEFORE.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THESE WINDOWS ACTUALLY LOOK REASONABLY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ROMA, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, OFFICE.
I'VE ASKED SOMEONE IN THE OFFICE TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET THERE.
WE DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF INSTALLED DON YOUNG WINDOWS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL 'EM UP.
UH, QUICKLY ENOUGH, WE APPROVED THIS COMMISSION APPROVED SOME DON YOUNG WENT ALUMINUM WINDOWS A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WHEN STAFF, UH, TOURED THE FINAL PRODUCT, ACTUALLY ON ONE OF THEM, IT APPEARS WE DIDN'T GO BACK AND DOUBLE MEASURE IT, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THEY WERE WIDER THAN THE ACTUAL ACTUALLY CUT SHEET OR THE, WHAT WE WERE GIVEN TO BE THE ACTUAL DETAILS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE THERE.
UM, I WILL SAY ON THIS TOPIC THAT, UM, JASON ACTUALLY OFFERED THIS PARTICULAR OWNER A COUPLE COMPANIES TO LOOK AT AND WE'RE HAVE GOOD NEWS IN THAT HE WENT AND TOOK PICTURES OF A NEW PRODUCT WE'VE SEEN THAT IS A MILL FINISH ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO SPOT ON.
AND IT'S NEW ON OUR LIFE HERE.
I JUST SAW THE PICTURES A LITTLE BEFORE THIS MEETING, BUT THIS OWNER, I GOT QUOTES FROM A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THEY CHOSE TO GO WITH THIS PRODUCT.
THAT LITTLE STAFF OPTION IN THIS RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE HELPS US A LITTLE.
IF IT'S EXTREMELY OUT OF THE LIGHT PATTERN, PERHAPS WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DESIGNATION AND THE APPLICATION FOR THE RIVERSIDE TERRACE DISTRICT, THIS, IT COULD HAVE BROUGHT
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BACK UP THE WHOLE WINDOW DILEMMA.AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF PAYING FOR THE RIGHT WINDOW AND FINDING THE RIGHT WINDOW IN WHAT WE DO.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WITH A LOT OF THE HOUSES WE DEAL WITH, I THINK WE, WE, WE REALLY WANNA WORK TOWARDS A MORE FLEXIBLE EFFORT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE IN THE END, IT, IT MIGHT BE HARMING OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS ACROSS THE CITY TO, UH, TO TO, TO NOT REALLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH 'EM.
THAT'S A LONG ANSWER, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHERE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION THEY WERE GIVEN TO, AND IT'S A SILVER ALUMINUM, UH, PAINTED SILVER ALUMINUM, IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER AND WE HAVE A PR THE STAFF LEVEL, WE WEREN'T REAL HAPPY SO FAR WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN INSTALLED.
SO THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS INTO THE WHOLE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND A SIDE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GET INTO YET.
SO COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD TELL YOU, AMANDA HAS BROUGHT UP ON THE SCREEN, THOSE ARE DON YOUNG WINDOWS.
THAT WAS PART OF THE TOUR THAT WE DID A YEAR AGO.
UM, YAP HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF QUESTION.
CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT IMAGE? THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR THE IMAGE, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
YEAH, SO I, I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE.
SO WHENEVER ANYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO GET THAT CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, A RECENT INSTALLATION WHERE THERE'S PROOF OF WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THAT WE CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE, IT'D BE GREAT TO SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TRESPASS, UH, LONG ENOUGH TO GET A, A DETAILED SHOT.
'CAUSE THESE CURB SHOTS, UM, DON'T BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT MATERIAL FINISH, UH, SCALE DETAIL, THOSE THINGS.
UH, AND TWO ROMAN'S, BIGGER ISSUE ABOUT WINDOWS.
YOU MENTIONED THE RIVER OAK, THE RIVERSIDE TERRACE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, PENDING DESIGNATION AND, AND THE ISSUE WITH WINDOWS THERE.
YOU'RE, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL AND I'M JUST ASKING, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SORT OF DIALING OUT ON THE ISSUE OF WINDOWS ALTOGETHER.
'CAUSE HERE IN GLENBURG VALLEY, TYPICALLY MID-CENTURY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE ISSUE OF ALUMINUM WINDOW PRODUCTS, INEVITABLY THAT ARE, UH, 50, 60 SOME CASES 70 YEARS OLD.
BUT WHEN YOU MENTION RIVERSIDE TERRACE AND ITS DESIGNATION, YOU, YOU'RE STILL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF WINDOWS.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, UM, TYPE OF WINDOW, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE SORT OF DIALING BACK TO THE BIGGER ISSUE OF WINDOWS IN GENERAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IN RIVERSIDE TERRACE, AGAIN, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I FEEL I NEED TO CONT CONTINUE IT FOR A MOMENT.
I ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOOD SASH WINDOWS, RIGHT? ON A DIFFERENT SCALE AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
AND I, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, THAT THAT'S THE LIGHTNING ROD THAT THAT CAN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION CAN TAKE.
WE'RE ONLY PROTECTING A TINY FRACTION OF HOUSTON RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S SO MANY NEW ISSUES TOO, ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY DENSITY OF THE CITY.
I, I, I'M ON A NATIONAL NETWORK CALL WITH PRESERVATION OFFICERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT THIS VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING SUBJECT.
WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT, IF YOU KNOW, UM, ON ITS OWN.
UM, AND, AND THESE WINDOWS ARE EXCUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE SEEN A PRODUCT JUST SAW IT BEFORE.
IT, IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA REALLY LIKE THIS PRODUCT WHEN YOU SEE IT.
IT, IT BECAME, AND IT'S ON A HOUSE INSTALLED.
UM, WE'LL WE WE'RE INTERNALLY WORKING ON THE, SOME DESIGN CRITERIA FOR WINDOWS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO WE HOPEFULLY BRING THAT FORWARD.
BUT, UH, STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
UH, AND WE LOST STAFF AFTER JACKSON TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO WAS WORKING ON IT TOO, RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE AND THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE OVERALL GOALS AND, AND, AND THE ISSUES WITH, WITH CERTAIN DETAILS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AND PERSISTENCE WITH IT.
CAN I WHAT WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER? UH, A QUESTION COMMISSIONER, A QUESTION EXCUSE.
I, I HAVE A, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COLUMN.
I'M FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER IS REALLY, THIS IS REALLY A PROBLEM FOR THE RESIDENTS OF GLENBROOK VALLEY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PRODUCT THAT CAN REALLY BE CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE.
WE'VE HAD FLIPPERS COME IN AND THEY'VE PUT THE WIDE VINYL WINDOWS ON.
WE TURN IT IN AND NOTHING HAPPENS WHEN TO STAY THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE, FROM THE CITY, THERE'S A LACK OF IN, OF SUPPORT IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS, WITHOUT C OF A.
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I REALLY HATED THE HARDSHIP.IT'S CAUSING THESE PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURE AND THEN THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY RAKED OVER THE COALS.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, YOU, YOU MADE, UH, UH, A RECOMMENDATION.
THERE WAS APPROVAL WITH CERTAIN NUMEROUS CONDITIONS WHEN YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR SPEECH, BUT IN THE WRITEUP, IT'S ONLY APPROVAL.
ARE YOU GONNA AMEND THAT ON THE WRITEUP? IT'S ONLY APPROVAL WITHOUT REC, WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS.
THIS IS THE CONDITION THAT'S ON THE SCREEN THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ON THE FINAL REPORT TO MATCH EXISTING LIGHT PATTERN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A DIAMOND PATTERN.
ONE OF THE FENESTRATIONS HAS A DIAMOND PATTERN.
'CAUSE THAT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO FIND THAT WITH CURRENT SUPPLIERS.
YOU HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
AND NEXT, UH, COMMISSIONER SWEENEY VA.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? UH, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, IT'S JUST A GENERAL THOUGHT THAT I WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT, UH, ROMAN HAD SAID.
PROBABLY PLAYING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
UH, BUT I'VE BEEN ATTENDING FEW CONFERENCES ON, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE CAN YOUR MIC.
I'VE BEEN ATTENDING FEW CONFERENCES ON BY A PT ON, UH, UPGRADING MODERN BUILDINGS, UH, AND, UH, PRETTY ICONIC BUILDINGS LIKE THE UN HEADQUARTERS AND ALL THOSE.
AND BELIEVE ME, EVERY MODERN BUILDING, WHICH IS AN ICON, THE ALUMINUM CURTAIN WALLS HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, THE CURTAIN WALLS BE DETERIORATED.
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO RESTORE IT.
THE CART ARE, COSTS ARE EXORBITANT AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN REPLACED.
AND THESE ARE ICONIC BUILDINGS IN ARCHITECTURE.
AND PUTTING THAT IN PERSPECTIVE OF THESE HOUSES, IT, IT'S LIKE, HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, REALLY IMPOSE ON INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION? SO THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT I WANTED TO PUT.
I'M ALWAYS KIND OF, I'LL BE VALANT ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH, JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
CERTAIN, I THINK THE CHAIR, THE CHAIR'S COMMENT.
I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE MEETING, AND AGAIN, WHEN WINDOWS ARE REPLACED, WHERE THERE IS NEED TO REPLACE WINDOWS ON PROJECTS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, FOLKS STILL TRY, STRIVE TO GET THE PROPORTIONS AND APPEARANCE CORRECT.
AND, UH, TO, AGAIN, TO WHAT COMMISSIONER COUCH BROUGHT UP, I THINK AS WHATEVER THE DISCUSSION, THE DECISION OF THIS ITEM IS.
I THINK, I KNOW THERE WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AND PARTICULARLY IN GLENBROOK IN GLENBROOK VALLEY, THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER WINDOW WAS MENTIONED.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT WINDOW, MAYBE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOLLOWING THE MEETING.
BUT I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT OR ADVISABLE IF WE COULD GET VERY WELL AWARE OF THESE OPTIONS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEY HAVE OPTIONS, BUT WE KNOW WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN VETTED BY STAFF AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION THAT HAVE SIMILAR PROFILE WITHS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT MAY BE FOR ANOTHER DAY THOUGH.
UM, IS IT COMMISSIONER COLUM? NO, CHAIR.
I, IT OCCURS TO ME, UM, BASED ON ROMAN'S COMMENTS AND ON COMMISSIONER COLUM, THAT UH, WE HAVE QUITE A MARKET HERE,
UM, WOULD IT BE WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, THE PURVIEW OR THE ABILITY OF THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF TO PROACTIVELY GO OUT TO DON YOUNG OR SOME OF OUR LOCAL MANUFACTURERS, UM, AND TRY AND, AND WORK WITH THEM TO CREATE A PRO PRODUCT THAT IS MORE, WOULD MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE HISTORIC THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY? CAN WE DO THAT, MS. MICKELSON? THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF YOU DO THAT AS A QUOTE COMMISSION, WE HAVE TO POST IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE YOU INVITE MANUFACTURERS IN OR WINDOW PROVIDERS TO DISCUSS IT, I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING THAT KIND OF A WORKSHOP ON, ON THIS TYPE OF WINDOW BEFORE.
SO I'D SAY THAT NOT AS A COMMISSION, YOU CAN'T GO OUT, YOU COULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF STAFF HAS SOME TIMING OR IF THE LOCAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAN, CAN ASSIST IN THOSE EFFORTS AS WELL.
BUT I THINK A WINDOW WORKSHOP AGAIN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DIDN'T GET TO GO ON THE, THE GLENBROOK VALLEY
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WORKSHOP, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL GOT TO LOOK AT, BUT, AND I THINK THE WORKSHOP IS AT A LIMITED NUMBER OF FOLKS.I'M HOPE, I'M HOPING THAT WORKSHOP WILL OCCUR AGAIN BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS OF SALVAGING YOUR EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLEANING THEM AND, AND TAPING IT FOR THE WEBSITE AND SO FORTH, SO YEAH.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THIS MEETING, UH, OUTSIDE OF THIS DECISION IS I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET MORE CLARITY ON THE, THE, THE FEW PRODUCTS THAT APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF TO GET, UH, MAYBE WE COULD GET A SAMPLE IN, IN THE STAFF OFFICE OR HAVE EVEN HAVE SOMETHING THAT IN A COMMISSION MEETING THE COMMISSION MEMBERS COULD SEE A SMALL SAMPLE OF WHAT A PROFILE FOR THESE MANUFACTURERS THAT APPEAR TO BE CLOSE, UM, THAT MIGHT HELP ANSWER THE PROPORTIONS AND, AND THE THICKNESSES AND THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE DONE AS A, AS A, AS KIND OF A EDUCATION SESSION AS AS BEFORE OR AFTER ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
SO WITH THAT COMMISSIONER MCNEILL, JUST ONE COMMENT.
AND SO I THINK THIS PROJECT IS A WIN FOR THE COMMISSION IN THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S PUTTING IN, UM, MIDDLE FINISH ALUMINUM WINDOWS INSTEAD OF WHITE VINYL WINDOWS FROM WINDOW WORLD WITH A COR THAT NEVER GETS CORRECTED.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALUMINUM WINDOW MANUFACTURERS, THERE ARE VERY FEW THAT WANT TO DO MILL FINISH.
MOST OF THEM ARE WHITE OR BRONZE.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO WHEN, SO ALL THE MANUFACTURERS ARE, ARE PUSHING FOR A THERMALLY BROKEN WINDOW, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW THE OUTSIDE HEAT TO HIT THE ALUMINUM AND TRANSFER INTO THE INSIDE.
SO THERE'S A THERMAL BREAK, WHICH CREATES A THICKER WINDOW.
AND SO IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE SAME SIZE THINNESS OF AN ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOW, BUT NOBODY WANTS AN ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOW 'CAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
YOU HAVE A SINGLE PANE OF GLASS AND YOU HAVE THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH OF ALUMINUM AND YOU STAND NEXT TO IT.
IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES JUST LIKE IT IS OUTSIDE.
AND SO I, I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE MORE WE CAN ENCOURAGE HOMEOWNERS TO REPLACE WITH AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT HAS THE APPEARANCE, THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE DOUBLE PANE GLASS.
IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA HAVE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE TRUE TO LI DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS FOR OUR MODERN WORLD AND WHERE WE'RE GROWING WITH CLIMATE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO OVERALL, I THINK THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND IT IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION AND GIVING GLENBROOK VALLEY HOMEOWNERS AN OPTION.
THANKS, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU PROCEED, I BELIEVE A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE HER PRESENCE.
I SEE COMMISSIONER VEDA ON CAMERA.
OKAY, WOULD YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON.
UH, COMMISSION AND STAFF, UH, IT'S RHONDA, COMMISSIONER RHONDA SEPULVEDA PRESENT AND I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT GLENBROOK VALLEY, UH, TO THE ASSOCIATIONS GROUP SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME INJUSTICE IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'S COMING IN, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BEING FLIPPED.
I LIVE ON THE EAST END AND I DO VISIT GLENBROOK VALLEY, UM, WITH THIS, UM, THIS AREA.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT COMING TO, TO OUR COMMISSION.
THEY'RE JUST HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, AT RANDOM.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE OBSOLETE.
AND SO I HOPE THAT THERE IS A WORKSHOP THAT COMES AVAILABLE TO, TO, UM, AND VENDORS MORE THAN ONE VENDOR WHO CAN BE CONSIDERED AND, UH, PUTTING IN THESE RESTORATIONS TO WHERE THERE IS SOME EFFICIENCY AND, UH, A GOOD PRODUCT THAT WILL MATCH, UH, THE HISTORIC, UH, VISIBILITY OF THESE HOMES.
WITH THAT, UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO A PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS SIGNED UP THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT IN CASE ANYONE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SPEAK ON THIS, UH, ON THIS ITEM C NINE, NOT HEARING ANY ENCLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD WE'VE HAD A ROBUST CONVERSATION, WOULD, WOULD A COMMISSIONER LIKE TO MAKE A, A NOMINATION COMMISSIONER CO I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THEY ALSO APPROVE THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW.
SINCE WE ONLY HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE SCHEMATIC, IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SOMEWHAT IN LINE.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA BE BIGGER, BUT UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A SECOND? SO ANY US IN SECOND? THAT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS? I
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I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THIS WINDOW HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DISCUSSION FOR MONTHS.I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO SPEND DURING THE, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM THE HAHC AT THE END THAT WE ACTUALLY GEL ALL THIS TOGETHER AND NOT HAVE THE ENERGY BEING DISSIPATED.
THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COHESIVE STRATEGY AT THE END OF THIS DAY TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE GET OUT? UH, I'M SURE THOSE PRODUCERS OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE VERY HAPPY TO GIVE US SAMPLES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE THEM IN THIS BUILDING THAT THAT IS FOR ANYBODY TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, I THINK.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE TO MOVE ON AND NOT JUST GO ROUND AND ROUND.
UH, ITEM C NINE PASSES IS APPROVED.
AND MOVING ON TO ITEM C 16, SORRY, C 11 DIFFERENT LIST.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COMMISSION.
THIS IS STAFF MEMBER MALLON MAHAN.
ITEM C 11 IS 6 0 3 EUCLID STREET AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING CRAFTSMAN DUPLEX RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED CIRCA IN 1920 LOCATED IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD A 351 SQUARE FOOT OR ADD 300, UH, 351 SQUARE FEET BY ADDING A SMALL REAR ADDITION TO CONNECT THE EXISTING ONE STORY GARAGE.
AND BY ADDING A SMALL SIDE ADDITION, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR LOCATION TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT KEEP THE FRONT DOOR AND FRONT ENTRY WINDOW LOCATIONS AND TO KEEP THE LOWER SET OF DOUBLE WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AND THE AGENT AND HOMEOWNER ARE PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, OF COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR STAFF? IS THERE THE SUBSEQUENT, UM, ITEM C 12 ALSO FOR THE SAME ADDRESS, IS THERE ANY VALUE IN MENTIONING THAT CONCURRENTLY WITH THE REVIEW OF THIS ITEM? I THINK THEY'RE DIFFERENT ADDRESSES.
LITERALLY THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.
NOT HEARING ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
LET ME OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP IS, UH, SUE KIM.
BEFORE THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.
WELL LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, SESSION.
UH, YES, BASED ON YOUR, CAN YOU SHOW ME THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT THERE? OKAY.
UH, CAN YOU SHOW ME THE WEST WINDOWS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT YOU ESPECIALLY REQUESTED TO BE KEPT AS A PAIR, PLEASE? YES.
SO, UM, AMANDA, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO THE WEST ELEVATION.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, EXISTING ELEVATION WHERE ALL THE RED WINDOWS ARE HIGHLIGHTED, IT'S THE BOTTOM SET ON IN THE MIDDLE.
SO NOT THE THREE LITTLE ONES, BUT THE DOUBLE ONES.
THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM TO KEEP.
YES, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REPORT, UM, THE, THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE TO THE TOP LEVEL OF THE DUPLEX THAT WAS WHERE THE TOP DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE.
AND SO STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT SINCE TECHNICALLY THOSE WINDOWS AREN'T ORIGINAL, THAT THERE WAS A DOOR THERE, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO RE UH, REMOVE THOSE TOP WINDOWS.
BUT SINCE THOSE BOTTOM WINDOWS WERE THERE, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO KEEP THOSE BOTTOM WINDOWS BASED ON THAT 1960 PHOTOGRAPH.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WANNA KEEP THE TWO LOWER BUT NOT KEEP THE TWO UPPER, BUT THE TWO UPPER ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
NOW I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AND I, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM SIGNED UP IS, UM, SUE KIM, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND I HAVE TO, UH, TO SPEAK AS WELL ON HER BEHALF? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
MY NAME IS RUDOLPH KOLBY AND I'M DOING THE, UH, DESIGN WORK FOR MS. KIM.
UH, THE, UH, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, UH, TWO ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS
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ABOUT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.AND ONE OF 'EM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THAT THAT PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, IT WAS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, STAFF HAD, UH, UH, INTERPRETED A, UH, A PHOTO, UH, A PHOTOGRAPH, THE 1965 PHOTOGRAPH, IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP.
AND THAT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN QUESTION WERE, UH, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING BY THAT.
UH, AND IF I'M, I'M MAYBE MIS MISINTERPRETING THAT, BUT THE FOUR WINDOWS, THERE ARE FOUR WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE TWO STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
TWO, UH, AND THEN TWO BELOW IT.
AND THE STAIR IS, UH, IS INTERRUPTING ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE WINDOWS.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THAT WAS THE WIN.
THOSE WERE THE, THAT WINDOW WAS BEING INTERPRETED AS THE DOUBLE WINDOW THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO KEEP.
BUT IT, FOR US, IT APPEARED THAT IT WAS JUST THE FOUR WINDOWS, THE FOUR ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE ON THAT.
SO, UH, AM I AM IF THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, AT LEAST, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE ARE ASKING IF THAT, THAT DOUBLE SET OF WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO KEEP, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT.
UH, AND IT KEEP THE FOUR WINDOWS, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT ARE TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ONLY.
SO I GUESS JERRY HAS A QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE STATING IS YOU BELIEVE THE WINDOW THAT'S PARTIALLY OBSCURED BY THE STAIRS IS ACTUALLY NOT, IS IT'S NOT, NOT DONE, NOT IT'S A SINGLE WINDOW, NOT THE WINDOW THAT THEY WERE WINDOW.
I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE WINDOW THAT'S BEING OBSCURED BY THE STAIR IS, IS ONE OF THE FOUR WINDOWS THAT WE WERE KEEPING.
THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, WAS REALLY THE, THE FRONT DOOR, UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE ORIG, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS A DUPLEX, UH, AND HAD BEEN A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY A DUPLEX, BUT IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FROM THAT 1965 PHOTOGRAPH.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOW, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, OF CREATING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND WE'VE DEVI WE'VE GOT A PLAN THAT, UH, UH, INTERPRETS A, A A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE DESIGN IN THAT PARTICULAR, UH, ON THE, IN THE BUILDING.
AND, UH, WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS IF WE CAN MOVE THE FRONT DOOR FROM THE CORNER, THE INSIDE CORNER TO, UH, A LOCATION THAT IS ON THE CENTER MASS OF THE FRONT PORCH IN THE SAME LOCATION AS A PAIR OF WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING IF OUR, IF WE COULD MOVE THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S IN THE CURRENT CORNER ONTO THE CENTER MASS OF THE PORCH, MORE OR LESS, USING THE SAME WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS THAT ARE THERE NOW, AND THEN RECREATE THE, UH, IN WHERE THE WINDOW IS, WHERE THE DOOR IS CURRENTLY IS TO REUSE ONE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND, AND INFILL THAT.
AND SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY, IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP.
WE COULD CERTAINLY REDESIGN THE HOUSE IF WE WANTED TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THINGS, IT IS OUR, UH, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR A, A VARIANCE, UH, ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? IT'S JUST, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
'CAUSE I HAVE A FEW MORE NAMES, BUT THEY MAY BE FOLKS THERE, AS YOU MENTIONED IN SUPPORT, UH, JUST ON FOR US ON THIS PROJECT? NO, JUST US.
BUT JUST AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS? THIS ITEM? OKAY.
IS THERE A QUESTION FOR THE SPEAKER? UH, YES, CHAIR.
I WAS WONDERING ON THE, THE PAIR WINDOW, I MEAN, I, I AGREE IT'S HARD TO SEE IT.
THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A, A METAL AWNING.
THERE APPEAR TO BE THREE METAL AWNINGS BEHIND THE STAIRS IN THAT 1965 PHOTOGRAPH, BY MY VIEW.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A FAIRLY, UH, EASILY UNCOVERED QUESTION, UH, WITH REMOVAL.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PLANNING TO REMOVE THE, THE CURRENT SIDING CORRECT.
AND EXPOSE THE ORIGINAL SIDING.
SO WHEN YOU PULL THAT OFF, IT SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL IF THERE WERE ANOTHER PAIR OF WINDOWS THERE, OR, WELL, I MEAN, I'M CERTAIN THAT, THAT THE, THE, IF YOU THE WINDOW, I'M CERTAIN THAT THE WINDOW IS THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT ISN'T THERE.
BUT, BUT I WANTED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, THAT WHAT I'M INTERPRETING WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT THAT THAT WINDOW, UH, THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO KEEP IS NOT THE WINDOW THAT'S IN THE, THAT YOU CAN BARELY SEE IN THE STAIR, IN THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH OF WHERE THE STAIRS INTERSECTING INTO THAT.
SO I MAY BE, UH, MISINTERPRETING THEIR, THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR OBSERVATION.
SO THE WINDOWS THERE NOW THERE'S, IT APPEARS THAT IT MIGHT BE THERE IN THE ORIGINAL 1965.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT THE STAIRS IS BISECTING, BUT BEHIND IT, THERE APPEAR TO BE THREE METAL AWNINGS.
BUT YOU CAN'T TELL IF THERE'S A SINGLE WINDOW THERE OR DOUBLE.
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MEAN, YOU CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T.I'M JUST SAYING THERE, I CAN'T TELL.
BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING STAFF'S USING TO, TO MAKE A LOT OF THESE OTHER, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN I MEAN, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT, WELL, I GUESS THEY'S MY QUESTION IS WE CAN, I MEAN, MEAN IT, IT MIGHT BE, UM, APPARENT IF IT WAS A SINGLE WINDOW OR A DOUBLE WINDOW WHEN YOU DO A LITTLE DIGGING INTO THE, THE FABRIC OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S PROBABLY A, A PAIR OF WINDOWS.
IT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S A PAIR OF WINDOWS.
THERE'S NOW IT'S PROBABLY AN ORIGINAL PAIR OF WINDOWS.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'VE REPLACED IT, THAT ARE ABOVE IT ARE, ARE PROBABLY OF SOME PERIOD THAT ARE, THAT MATCH ALL THE WINDOWS, THAT WINDOWS ALL APPEAR TO BE OF THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
THEY'RE ALL MOSTLY WOOD WINDOWS PAINTED SHUT, YOU KNOW, ALL WELL, IF THERE ARE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, THEN I THINK OUR, OUR ORDINANCE CALLS FOR RETENTION OF HIS ORIGINAL HISTORIC FABRIC.
SO, WELL, I HAVE, I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT, THAT'S HOW I INTERPRET STAFF'S COMMENTS.
OH, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT HOW COME WHERE'S THE, THE LINE? BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING THE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, BUT THEN THE THREE LITTLE ONES IN THE BACK CAN GO, WHAT, WHAT, WHY CAN'T HE DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH THOSE TWO WINDOWS IN THE MIDDLE? I AGREE.
I THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE BLOCKED BY THE DECK UNDER THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU CAN'T REALLY EVEN TELL IF IT WAS TWO WINDOWS IN THAT OLD PHOTOGRAPH, YOU CAN SEE AN AWNING, BUT IT CAN'T TELL WIDE.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T, I'VE LOOKED AT OLD PICTURES OF HOW YEAH, IF, IF YOU READ THAT, YEAH, MAYBE MR. CHAIR.
BUT I, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BECAUSE W WHERE IS THE LINE WHERE YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE FACADES? LIKE IS IT, IS IT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONT OR, OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT? SURE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I THINK, I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER AS WELL FOR STAFF WAS, UM, WHEN THE SITE, THE SIDING IS REMOVED, THERE MAY BE MORE EVIDENCE REVEALED ABOUT THE, THE ORIGINAL PATTERN MAKING OF THESE WINDOWS AND OPENINGS LOCATIONS.
AND PERHAPS COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF IF THERE IS A MOTION THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
UH, MAYBE WE CAN ALL GO TO THE SAME PAGE.
UH, IF WE CAN HAVE AMANDA PUT US INTO THE PICTURE OF THE 19 FIFTH 65 PICTURE, I THINK, UH, ON HERE, PLEASE IF YOU CAN PUT THAT.
YEAH, AMANDA, CAN YOU PLEASE ZOOM IN? OH, RIGHT.
WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE WEST, UH, ELEVATION.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE THE 1, 2, 3, UH, SMALLER WINDOWS THAT IS ACTUALLY AT THE REAR, AND WE CANNOT REALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO POSSIBLY A DOUBLE ON THE SECOND OR A DOUBLE ON THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR.
IS THERE A MORE RECENT PICTURE OF THIS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DOUBLE, DOUBLE WINDOW, LIKE AN EXISTING PHOTOGRAPH? YES.
YES, AMANDA? UM, I BELIEVE IN THE, THE CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH, WE DON'T HAVE A WEST THICK PICTURE, WEST PHOTOGRAPH.
CONFIRM THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO LIKE THE, THE DRAWING HAS THE, UM, ALL THE EL THE, THE ELEVATION IS WHAT'S THERE.
SO IT'S THE DOUBLE WINDOWS ON BOTH THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THE DOUBLE WINDOWS AN INTERPRETATION OR IS THERE EVIDENCE OF ACTUALLY, UH, UH, THE, THE OPENING OR THE ROUGH OPENING OF A OLD DOUBLE WINDOW? UH, THERE? SO IN THAT OLD PHOTOGRAPH, WE INTERPRET THAT THIRD AWNING AS A WINDOW, AS AN OPENING OF A WINDOW.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DOUBLE OR IF IT WAS SINGLE, BUT BECAUSE THAT 1965 PHOTOGRAPH, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS MIMIC THE EXACT LOCATIONS THAT ARE ON THE HOUSE.
NOW, WE ASSUME THAT THAT IS AN ORIGINAL OPENING OF SOME SORT, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO GO AHEAD WITH, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND THEY FOUND OTHER EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE, THEN WE'D ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN REVISE THE C OF A.
BUT THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THAT 1965 PHOTOGRAPH AND THE, UM, CONDITION OF THE HOUSE AS IT IS NOW.
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I STILL HAVE MY QUESTION OUTSTANDING.WHAT'S THE LINE WHERE WE DECIDE WHAT WINDOWS STAY AND WHAT WINDOWS GO? 'CAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ADDITION COMES PAST WHERE THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S OKAY IF YOU DRAW A LINE THERE.
SO I, I JUST, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE LIKE WHAT THE LOGIC IS WITH THAT.
THIS DECISION BESIDES JUST THIS, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH.
SO WE'VE, UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE APPROVED OF WINDOWS BEING REMOVED ON THE, UM, REAR HALF OR THE REAR PORTION OF THE STRUCTURES.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT CAME UP IN A PREVIOUS MEETING AS WELL WHERE, UH, WE EXPLAINED THAT ON THE NPS WEBSITE, THEY'VE KIND OF ALREADY OUTLINED THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH REAR WINDOW LOCATIONS, UM, OKAY.
SO THESE FRONT FOUR, SINCE THEY'RE THE MOST FORWARD ON THE WEST ELEVATION, WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT 1965 PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS A DOOR ON THE TOP, THAT'S WHEN WE CONCLUDED THAT OKAY, THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS WEREN'T ORIGINAL, BUT THERE IS THAT THIRD ON AND ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THERE IS SOME OPENING THERE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE ADDITION ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND IF YOU DRAW A LINE FROM WHERE THAT IS, THAT COMES TO THE CENTER OF THOSE TWO WINDOWS, SO WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH, I THINK THE LINE HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE HOUSE IN A STRAIGHT LINE AND NOT JOG.
UM, WE DID DISCUSS, UH, THEM NOT DOING A SIDE EDITION BECAUSE OF THAT REASON OF GETTING RID OF THOSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, BUT WE CONCLUDED THAT BECAUSE, UM, THEY WANTED TO ADD MORE SPACE THAT IF THEY KEEP THE ORIGINAL, IF THEY KEEP THE ORIGINAL WINDOW LOCATIONS THAT WE OUTLINED AND THE ORIGINAL DOOR LOCATION AND THOSE FRONT WINDOWS THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE SIDE EDITION.
SO IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE SORT OF THING.
I MEAN, IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS IS A VERY RESPECTFUL EDITION COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
SO I'M INCLINED TO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND PASS IT.
UM, I MAKE GOOD COMMENT AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.
I I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT AND I JUST, I WANT YOU TO, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I RESPECT WHAT YOU GUYS DO HERE BECAUSE IT IS, IS VERY DIFFICULT DECISION AS TO WHAT, WHAT IS A CONTRIBUTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU SHOULD SAVE AND WHAT SHOULDN'T YOU SAVE? AND HOW DO YOU ENGAGE ARCHITECTS AND HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MUCH BIGGER THAN, THAN, THAN I NEED ANOTHER BATHROOM IN MY HOUSE? SO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND SO WHEN I, WE WE APPROACH ANY DESIGN, DE DESIGN, UH, PROBLEM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT VERY CAREFULLY.
AND SO, UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND I DO, UH, AND WE ARE REALLY ASKING YOU FOR THAT, THAT VARIANCE IN THE, IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO RESPECT, UH, THE SPIRIT OF NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, OF YOUR, OF THE JOB THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD ARCHITECTURE AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, OR WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE PROJECT AS IT IS WITHOUT THE TWO CONDITIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? WAIT, WITH THE CONDITION ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR, I I, THE FRONT DOOR DOESN'T BOTHER ME 'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY TWO WINDOWS THERE.
IT'S A LOSS OF HISTORIC MATERIALS AND IT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO HOW ARE WE CONSISTENT? IF WE ALLOW THEM TO REMOVE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND PUT IN DOORS, WE'RE LETTING THEM REMOVE WINDOWS ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, WHICH PROBABLY NOT TOO VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND I, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN APPROVING.
IF IT'S REALLY RIGHT AT THE BACK, WE PROBABLY APPROVED, WE LET THEM REMOVE IT.
BUT IF IT'S CLOSER TO THE FRONT OF THE STREET, WE TYPICALLY, I CLOSE COMMISSIONER CASH.
I THINK IT'S A, A VERY ASTUTE POINT TO DRAW THE LINE ACROSS AND PROVIDE SOME SORT OF DEMARCATION.
UM, BUT FOR ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FRONT FACADE AND THE BACK 50% OF THE HOUSE IS, IS SIGNIFICANT.
AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE MY MOTION, LEAVE THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT AS THEY ARE AND LEAVE THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE TO, TO BE ALLOWED TO BE CHANGED.
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SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.ANY OPPOSED? MR. NAY? UH, CAN I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST BEFORE, I'M SORRY.
WAS THERE A NAY FROM COMMISSIONER STAAVA? THERE WAS.
PLEASE ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN LET, LET THEN LET ME KNOW HOW YOU VOTED.
I GUESS EVERYONE ELSE HAS VOTED.
SO, SO I'M, I'M A NAME, BUT WHAT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME STILL IS WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THERE RIGHT NOW? I KNOW THE STAIRCASE IS GONE, BUT ARE THERE WINDOWS THERE RIGHT NOW? THERE ARE TWO WINDOWS.
THERE ARE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEN I'M AN A BECAUSE I'D RATHER JUST KEEP THEM.
SO THAT MOTION, UH, AS AMENDED, UH, PASSES NOW MOVING ACROSS THE STREET TO 6 0 4 EUCLID STREET AT I ITEM C 12.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, UM, ITEM C 12 IS 6 0 4 EUCLID STREET AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING QUEEN AND HOME BUILT IN 1915, LOCATED IN WOODLAND HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO BUILD A 1000 546 2 STORY REAR ADDITION WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND CARPORT.
A DORMER WILL ALSO BE ADDED TO THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE ROOF TO CREATE MORE ATTIC SPACE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE PORTION OF THE SECOND STORY EDITION THAT IS LOCATED ON THE REAR SOUTHWEST CORNER.
AND, UM, AND THAT STAFF HAVE THE FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL.
UM, I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE AGENT AND HOMEOWNER ARE AVAILABLE VIA TEAMS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CAN YOU BRING UP A FLOOR PLAN OR A ELEVATION THAT SHOWS ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO EXCLUDE? UM, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE WEST ELEVATION.
OKAY, SO IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THE BOTTOM PART, ON THE BOTTOM ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED A LITTLE BIT, SO YOU SEE HOW THERE'S KIND OF TWO, SO THERE'S THE FIRST DORMER, AND THEN THERE'S THAT DORMER, LIKE ON THE REAR PORTION, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO REMOVE THAT.
SO WE EXPOSE THE, UM, ORIGINAL ROOF LINE COMING DOWN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF, OF STAFF? SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER ASKED A QUICK QUESTION.
SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AND FINAL DESIGN APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT BY REMOVING THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE ROOF PLAN A LITTLE BIT OR THEY MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE OTHER DESIGN CHANGES JUST SO, UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, PUTTING A BEDROOM IN THE ATTIC.
SO JUST THOSE FINAL FLOOR PLAN CHANGES OR ROOF PLAN CHANGE WOULD BE APPROVED BY US.
WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COMMISSION, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, NOT HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WANNA OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE A, AT LEAST A COUPLE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON MY LIST.
UM, IS JOSE, UH, CORDOVA HERE TO SPEAK? SO JOSE CORDOVA IS THE, UM, AGENT AND HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S UNABLE TO UNMUTE HIMSELF AND YOU CAN UNMUTE HIM.
STAR SIX TO UNMUTE BY PHONE OR CLICK ON THE ICON ON YOUR COMPUTER MIGHT HELP.
WE'LL GET A PHONE NUMBER, WE'LL GET MY PHONE NUMBER TO HIM.
CAN WE HI, UH, DO SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? YEAH, HE'S GOT IT.
JOSE, ARE YOU THERE? MR. CORD? HI, THIS IS JOSE CORDOVO.
I WORK WITH BRICK MOON DESIGN AND I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR 6 0 4 EUCLID.
SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TO REVIEW THIS DESIGN.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, PUSH BACK
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ON THAT, UH, OPINION TO REMOVE, UH, BEDROOM THREE IS BECAUSE THE CLIENT HAS EXPECTATIONS TO GROW THEIR FAMILY.UM, AND BEDROOM THREE WOULD BE ONE OF THE BEDROOMS WHERE THE CHILDREN WOULD SLEEP IN AND THEY'RE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO PUTTING A KID, A CHILD IN THE ATTIC DORMER, WHICH WE WOULD AGREE IT WOULD BE PUSHING THE KID AWAY FROM THE MAIN, UH, FAMILY.
SO IT'D BE FOR A SAFETY REASON.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, JUST KIND OF A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE ANY GUIDELINES AT THIS TIME.
SO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DESIGNING THIS HOME, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY GUIDELINES TO GO GO BY.
UH, A SECOND THING IS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC STAFF AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR FEEDBACK.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ALL OF THEIR, UH, SUGGESTIONS.
AND THAT'S INCLUDING, UH, DECREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM OUR INITIAL DESIGN FROM ALMOST 3,800 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 31 3,151 SQUARE FEET.
AND WHILE THE CLIENT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT WANT TO LOSE THAT MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DESIGN, BUT WE JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN ACCOMMODATING FOR A LOT OF THE HISTORIC FEEDBACK.
AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP.
THE CLIENT HAS NO INTENTION TO PUT ANY KIND OF AC SPACE IN THE ATTIC.
THEY JUST WANT MORE, UM, LIGHTING IN THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY AC SPACE THERE.
SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP BEDROOM THREE IF POSSIBLE.
AND WE WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR HISTORIC TO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ACCOMMODATING FOR A LOT OF THEIR, UH, FEEDBACK.
UM, ONE MORE ITEM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, OR A FEW MORE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT WHILE THIS IS A CORNER LOT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TWO SIDES, UM, THERE ARE TWO SIDES THAT ARE VERY PROMINENT TO THE DESIGN AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE ADDITION MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
UH, BUT WE FEEL THAT NOW WE'RE HAVING TO ALMOST DESIGN BASED ON THREE ELEVATIONS, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE SIDE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE DESIGN WILL BE VISIBLE, BUT IT WILL NOT BE AS VISIBLE AS THE OTHER TWO, ALMOST MINIMAL, UH, COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S OUR FEEDBACK.
SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE.
I ALSO HAVE, UM, SIGN UP TO SPEAK JUSTIN PATTERSON.
MR. PATTERSON'S SIX, UH, I I I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE SPEAKING RIGHT NOW.
AND I HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP.
HELLO, THIS IS BEN FAIRCHILD, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES.
UM, I, UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD A BIT TO WHAT MR. CORDOVA JUST EXPLAINED.
I AM THE HOMEOWNER AT 6 0 4 EUCLID.
UM, I APPRECIATE ONE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO, TO KIND OF HEAR OUR SIDE OF IT AND HEAR OUR, OUR ARGUMENT FOR IT.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE HOW DIFFICULT A JOB IT IS THAT YOU DEAL WITH AND ALSO THE, THE PASSION TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY MY FAMILY AND I BOUGHT THE HOME BECAUSE WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
UH, WE WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORICAL AESTHETICS OF THE AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, TO ADD TO WHAT MR. CARDOVA SAID REGARDING THE WEST, I GUESS THE WESTERN, UH, SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, HE DESCRIBES IT AS NOT AS PROMINENT OR MAYBE NOT AS VISIBLE, UH, FROM EUCLID STREET.
I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS THE ADDITION AS BEING INVISIBLE FROM EUCLID STREET.
AND I COULD PROVIDE A, A CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF, OF TREE COVERAGE AND BRUSH THAT WE HAVE.
ALSO, IT'S THE SIDE THAT FACES THE ADJACENT H UH, HOUSE.
SO, UM, AND IT, THIS IS ALSO 50% BACK, UH, THE WAY, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, IT IS, IT IS TRULY INVISIBLE
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FROM EUCLID STREET, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME.UM, I THINK AN ADDITIONAL POINT TO, TO REITERATE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GROW OUR FAMILY IN THIS HOME.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
WE CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING IN ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE CANNOT KINDA GET WHAT WE PROPOSED, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS NOW FOR JOSE COULD COMMENT MORE ACCURATELY, BUT PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS ALTOGETHER WITH THE ARCHITECT, WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, UM, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, WHICH WE SO APPRECIATE AND WE WANNA WORK WITH.
BUT ON THE, THE TWO EXPOSED FACADES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE ON THE CORNER AS HE MENTIONED, WE'VE COMPLETELY GONE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT.
ASIDE FROM THE, THE GARAGE PORTION THAT IS SORT OF NON-NEGOTIABLE.
WE'RE EVEN PUTTING IN A, A ONE CAR GARAGE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LESS SUBSTANTIAL, UH, IN TERMS OF TOTAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS JUST UNHEARD OF IN THIS DAY AND AGE, HAVING A ONE CAR GARAGE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR FAMILIAL ACCOMMODATION IS THE NUMBER ONE THING ON OUR LIST.
WE'RE VERY WILLING TO, TO NOT ONLY COMPLY, BUT TO TRY TO ADD, YOU KNOW, UM, AESTHETIC VALUE TO THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO JUST KNOW THAT THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF OUR, OUR ARGUMENT.
UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT WE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE INVESTED AND WE, WE WE NEED TO TRY TO, TO BE HERE.
CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME? I'M SORRY.
YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORDS.
UM, I HAVE NO ONE ELSE, UH, SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM NOT HEARING.
I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR STAFF? UH, ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, MADELINE.
UH, MADELINE, GOING BACK TO THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GRO AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME QUESTION HERE.
UM, THE, THE ONE THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE SHOULD REMOVE IS THE ONE THAT IS CLOSER TO THE ADDITION, CORRECT? THE ONE THAT THE CORNER.
AND, UM, CAN YOU, UH, JUST BRIEFLY TELL US WHAT'S YOUR RATIONALE, UH, WITH THAT? UH, AND, AND THEN, AND THEN I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AFTER THAT.
YEAH, WE JUST FELT THE MASS SCENE WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A 3D MODEL WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT KIND OF, UM, BIRD, NOT BIRD EYES VIEW, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AT A SORT OF ANGLE 3D YEAH, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT HAS LIKE THREE GIANT DORMERS, ONE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND SO WE FELT LIKE IF YOU TAKE OFF THAT, UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER, THAT IT WOULD MINIMIZE THAT LOOK OF YOU HAVE THESE THREE GIANT DORMERS KIND OF LINED UP IN A ROW.
AND IT ALSO HELPS KEEP WITH, UM, DISTINGUISHING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND WHAT'S THE ADDITION BECAUSE YOU KEEP THAT ROOF LINE INTACT.
UH, SO THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, UH, COULD, OKAY, THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER STAFF? I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A FAVORABLE COMMENT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, SPEAKER ACTUALLY.
UH, UH, MY ISSUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, UM, THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
I JUST FEEL THAT THE MASSING, ALTHOUGH IT'S ONE STORY THROUGHOUT FROM FRONT TO BACK, IS, IS THE HOUSE IS TOO BIG.
UH, IF I LOOK AT IT FROM THE, UH, ELEVATION SITE ELEVATION PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER OR THE, THE ADDITION A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, I THINK I'M IN, I'M, I'M ALL ALL FOR IT ACTUALLY.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP? NOT HEARING ANY, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UM, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? ARE THERE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS PLEASE? CHAIR? I'M SORRY, POINT OF ORDER.
I THINK STAFF IS REVIEWING RIGHT NOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SHALL APPROVE.
UM, HELLO, THIS IS, UH, STAFF MEMBER COLEMAN.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WORK ON THE FRONT GABLE.
SO WOULD ANY COMMISSION MEMBER LIKE TO BRING A MOTION, BE A MOTION TO
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APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.SO HOW DOES THIS LEAVE IT WITH THE DEED RESTRICTION STUFF? IS THAT THEY GET THE POSSIBILITY IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT SHORTER TO, TO PLEASE THE NOR HILL PEOPLE, THEY'LL DO THAT.
OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE DEAL THERE? MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
I THINK WE NEED TO TALK WITH, UH, LEGAL ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S NOT, I I, SO I NEED TO ASK IF ANYONE ABSTAINED ON THIS VOTE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS, THIS WILL, THIS WILL ALLOW THE C OF A TO PROCEED AND THE OTHER MATTER WILL BE RESOLVED.
AND I ASSUME THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER YOU FIND THAT IT IS, IS OR NOT IS, OR ISN'T IN, IN CONFLICT WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
I THINK IF, IF WE ARE ASKED TO REVIEW THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, YES, WE WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I THINK THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKS SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO REDUCE THE BULK OF THE, OF THE ADDITION IN THE REAR YARD TO SAVE REAR YARD, IT'S A REDUCTION IN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED.
AND THAT CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THEY COULD NOT EXPAND IT AT THIS POINT.
AND IF IT CHANGED AND IF, IF THE CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY, WE SHOULD SEE IT AGAIN.
UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM D UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, EITHER IN PERSON OR ONLINE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
HEARING NONE, I'M GONNA, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE A-H-A-H-C? CAN I MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT PLEASE? UH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO.
THIS IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
SO THE A I HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE IS HAVING HAPPY HOUR OR NEXT THURSDAY.
BUT IT'S NEXT THURSDAY, 5:30 PM AXLE ROD.
I KNOW IT BECAUSE IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION DAY.
FIVE 30 UNTIL, UH, SEVEN 30 OFFICIALLY.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REPORT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMISSIONER.
UM, WE, WE NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO SAY THIS, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO UHS, UH, SIGNAL OUT C 6 29 11 JULIAN STREET.
UM, THAT PROJECT, UH, ALTHOUGH WITH A COMPLETE NEW, UH, UH, NEW ADDITION BUILT IN THE BACK, HAD VERY MINIMAL INVASIVE, UH, UH, I WOULD SAY INVASIVE ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, THAT I WOULD REALLY WANT TO, UH, TAKE MY HEAD OFF TO THAT PERSON FOR REALLY TRYING TO KEEP THE TWO STORY HOUSE INTACT.
I THINK THAT PERSON WAS VERY THANK YOU.
ALSO, UM, THAT WAS ME, MR. COUCH'S, UH, PROJECT.
BUT I WAS GONNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THAT FORESIGHT AND, AND MR. COUCH FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER COUCH FOR, UH, SEEING THAT THROUGH.
YES, COMMISSIONER COUCH ABSTAINED FROM THAT VOTE, BUT HE, UM, HE WAS, UH, WELL VERSED IN IN THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, COMMISSIONER.
I'LL EXTEND AND, AND ASK COMMISSIONER COUCH.
UH, MAYBE IS THERE SOME INSIGHT TO WHY COMMISSIONER YAP LIKES IT SO MUCH IN RELATION TO THE ORIGINAL? WAS IT, DID YOU HAVE A CLIENT WHO WAS PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THAT ISSUE OR WERE YOU, UH, PARTICULARLY UH, INFLUENTIAL IN THAT CHOICE? I THINK IT WAS JUST, I HAD A GOOD CLIENT AND, AND THEY AGREED WITH WHAT I PROPOSED TO DO SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF SCALE, RIGHT.
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ADDITION, I DON'T KNOW THE PROJECT.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A TWO STORY EDITION AND THEY ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT DOING A 2000 SQUARE FOOT EDITION, BUT THEN I EXPLAINED TO THEM THEY DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO DO THAT AND SHOWED THEM OPTIONS AND THEY AGREED TO MORE ABOUT EFFICIENCY OF PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS VERSUS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHAT WHAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH IS, UH, PRO PROGRAMMATIC, UM, WANTS AND NEEDS A MCMANSION SYNDROME,
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AND SO THE SCALE ISSUES ARE HARD TO, UM, REGULATE.YOU CAN'T RESOLVE THE SCALE ISSUES WHEN YOU DO A MAC MANSION.
I THINK THE PROJECT ALSO, UM, DEALT WITH, UM, ALTERING NON-ORIGINAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE HOUSE THAT THAT HELPED TO, UM, PUT IT BACK ON A GOOD FOOTING.
SO IT BEGAN AGAIN, IT BECAME THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND AN ADDITION AND WELL, WE, WE ALSO TRIED IN THE PLAN TO, TO TRY TO RECREATE WHAT WE THINK THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY WAS RATHER THAN AGAIN DOING A BACK MANION.
I THINK THE PICTURE ON PAGE SIX OF SIX, IF THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE VIDEO SCREEN, SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS, UH, C SIX PROJECT, PAGE SIX OF SIX.
PLEASE, IF I MAY, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT, UH, IT'S UNDERWAY.
IT'S, UH, ABOUT TO BE, WELL WE WE'RE WAITING FOR C OF A BEFORE WE DID ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, THE, UH, SO IT'S READY TO GO TO PERMIT THE, THE ILLUSTRATION ON C SIX OF SIX.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER PICTURE, UH, IT'S NIGHT AND DAY COMPARED TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE LOOK AT.
AND THE ADDITION IS TOTALLY, ALMOST, UH, DIVIDED FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND, AND PEOPLE CAN REALLY APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC CLARITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND I, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS MARVELOUS.
AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH COULD SET AGENDAS TO TRY TO MOVE THESE MEETINGS ALONG, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE, THESE EXAMPLES ARE REALLY GOOD DESIGN BECAUSE WE, THEY JUST, THEY GO WONDER, BRING IT UP.
JUST AT LEAST NOT IN THE OPEN MEETING.
BUT, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? THE SECOND COMMENT WAS GOING BACK TO ORIGINAL.
UM, CAN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE, UH, WINDOW MAKERS THAT ARE ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE TO THE MID-CENTURY MODERN ERA? UH, SOME OF THESE WINDOW MAKERS, I'M SURE IF THEY ARE LIKE WANTING TO MAKE A A GOOD SALE, THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH FREE SAMPLES, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KEEP ON BOARD HERE AS OPPOSED TO EVERY DAY, EVERY MONTH WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
MAYBE MR. UH, ROMAN MACALLAN, IF YOU CAN GET THOSE WINDOW PROVIDERS TO GIVE US SOME SAMPLES, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
UH, SUPPOSED TO PICTURES AND POOR QUALITY VIDEOS.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT PICTURES YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
THOSE ARE PICTURES FROM A RECENT INSTALLATION.
UM, IF JAY, WELL WE HAD 'EM THERE.
JASON, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THOSE PHOTOS, MAYBE CYCLE THROUGH THOSE PHOTOS YOU TOOK REAL QUICK.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT.
IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SHARE IN VIRTUAL 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO OPEN UP EACH ONE, BUT YOU SEE THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD QUALITY MILL FINISH DOUBLE PANE WINDOW.
WHAT, WHAT COMPANY? SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE? IT'S A, IT'S A INSTALLATION IN GLENBROOK VALLEY OF MILL FINISH, UH, DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS THAT ARE NEW THAT, SO A RECENT INSTALLATION.
AND DO YOU KNOW THE MANUFACTURER? YEAH, JASON MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU.
I THINK IT'S, HE'S, THIS IS A STAFF PERSON.
JASON
THAT'S THE SUPPLIER OF THE WINDOW.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE MANUFACTURER BRAND NAME? I HAD THAT ON THE PREVIOUS SCREEN AND I SWITCHED THAT.
I, I, I THINK IT, WHILE WE'RE, UH, SCRUTINIZING THE ISSUE AGAIN, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER JONES.
JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A EDUCATIONAL TIME DURING ONE OF OUR MEETINGS? MAYBE NOT IF A COMPANY COMES IN, BUT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST EDUCATING OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE WILL HELP.
WE, WE HAD A CALL ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, A COMMITTEE THAT MET A LOT OF TIMES AND WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY INFORMATION THAT WAS USEFUL.
WE HAD A, A ALUMINUM WINDOW COMMITTEE LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE TOUR GLENBROOK VALLEY.
AND WE, WE FOUND DON YOUNG, BUT WE COULDN'T GET SAMPLES FOR SOME REASON.
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WAS WORKING ON THAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT CREST MARK AND SOME OTHER BRANDS, BUT IT'S REAL HARD TO FIND, LIKE THEY HAVE PAINTED ONES, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN REALLY GET AN ANODIZED SILVER ANYMORE.IT'S, THEY'RE MOVING AWAY FROM ALUMINUM, I THINK A LOT OF WINDOWS.
SO MAYBE IF ANY OF THESE MANUFACTURERS HAVE EARS BURNING
WE WERE HOPING THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT, BUT HE DID CALL SEVERAL COMPANIES AND TALK TO THEM AND STUFF AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY HONESTLY DIDN'T CARE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH MARKET COMPARED TO VINYL GP WINDOWS, BUT I, I DO THINK FROM THE DISCUSSION, IF STAFF HAD A LEAST A COLLECTION OF TWO, THREE OR FOUR LINES THAT WERE ACCEPTABLE FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS AND THE COMMISSION KNOWS THAT THEY'VE BEEN VETTED BY STAFF AND, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE PARTICULAR LINES AND WHEN WE SEE THEM, WE'LL KNOW THEY'RE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO AND WE COULDN'T 'CAUSE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING.
SO, SO MAYBE SOMETHING'S CHANGED.
LIKE, LIKE I DON'T, THIS NEW WINDOW, I CAN'T READ ON THE SCREEN THAT THE WORDS ARE TOO SMALL FOR ME TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT IS, BUT THE, THOSE MAYBE LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION, BUT SIX MONTHS AGO WE DIDN'T SEE THAT COMPANY.
UH, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IT IS CRESS PARK, MAYBE A, UH, BUDGET INSTALL, UH, GIVEN TO STAFF TO ACTUALLY OKAY.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE US FREE SAMPLES MAYBE TO BUY A SET LIKE ONE WINDOW AS A, AS A GO BY BECAUSE READING ALL THIS IS MAYBE JUST TOO MUCH IN, IN SOME TO MAKE HEAD OR TAILS WHEN WE ARE COMPARING FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT MAKERS.
BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A BUDGET AND BUY THEM AND THEN WE KNOW WHICH ONE IS GOOD AND THEN THE WINDOW COMMITTEE CAN APPROVE THEM, UH, OR, OR, UH, DENY THEM, BASICALLY I'M JUST ASKING TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM OKAY, WE CALL 10 PEOPLE AND ALL, ALL WE GOT IS THIS BEING BLOWN OFF KIND OF SITUATION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD AT LEAST STAFF COULD, COULD SAY WHETHER IT'S THIS PRODUCT OR THE DON YOUNG PRODUCTS DO MEET, DO MEET THEIR EXPECTATIONS.
AT LEAST WE, WHETHER, WHETHER, WHETHER THEY HAVE TO ACQUIRE A WINDOW OR ACQUIRE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE TO BUY IT, THAT'S ONE WAY OF GET GETTING THIS SAMPLE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE IT.
SO IT, IT COULD BE A REALLY SMALL ONE PERHAPS, AND IT MAYBE USUALLY THEY CAN GIVE YOU A PIECE OF THE EXTRUSION IF YOU ASK THEM.
I'VE GOTTEN THAT FROM COMPANIES, BUT I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NICE ONES SINCE KAISER HOF WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
HI, THIS IS STAFF MCC COLEMAN.
I THINK I'VE HEARD SOME GOOD IDEAS.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CONFER AND, UM, I KNOW THERE WERE, UH, STAFFS WORKING ON A POLICY.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING EDUCATIONAL.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A, YOU KNOW, 10 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES IN FRONT OF A, A COMMISSION MEETING TO TELL YOU WHAT WE KNOW AND YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
SO WE'LL LET, WE'LL, UM, TALK ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE INFORMATION FROM THE TASK FORCE AND, UM, COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN GIVING US LOTS OF RESOURCES IN ORDER TO CONTACT PEOPLE AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT LIST AND CONTACTED THEM AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE COULD, BUT WE DON'T BECOME A VERY HIGH PRIORITY WHEN WE'RE INQUIRING ABOUT THINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDER, SO WE TEND TO FALL OFF THEIR RADAR AND THEY DON'T CONTACT US BACK.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET INFORMATION.
UM, BUT BASED ON THE, THIS NEW, UM, RESOURCE, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST EXCITING THING WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST YEAR, HAVING SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS, UM, CLOSE.
SO WE'LL, UM, CREATE A FULL REPORT.
WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN MULTIPLE PRICE RANGES, SO IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT COMPILED, WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOU AND PRESENT IT AND CREATE A DOCUMENT SO WE CAN DO THE POLICY WORK.
IF THERE NO OTHER QUESTION, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, ROMAN TO GIVE HIS REPORT.
I WILL BE, I'LL BE I'LL BE BRIEF.
UM, LET'S SEE WHERE I WANNA START.
UH, SAMANTHA DE LEON IS A, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH US.
SHE'S IN THE, WORKING ON A MASTER'S DEGREE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON IN, UH, PUBLIC HISTORY, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, SHE'S LEAVING US, SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON A, UH, REPORT TO NOMINATE THE LEONEL CASTILLO COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE NORTH SIDE FOR A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
AND WE WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
OF COURSE, IT'LL BE THEIR FINAL DECISION, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS SHE'S GOING TO WORK ON THE ENDANGERED AS AN ENDANGERED PLACES INTERN AT THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO THANK HER.
YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING OR
YOU GUYS ARE ALL TALKED OUT, SO THANK YOU.
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TO WITNESS, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND I'M SAD THAT I DIDN'T GET TO MEET EVERYONE, BUT, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU.ARE YOU GOING TO WASHINGTON? NO, I'M NOT.
HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE I'D GET TO GO.
SO GOOD NEWS IS YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU, YOU'RE MOVING ON TO SOMETHING EXCITING, BUT YOU'RE NOT LEAVING TOWN.
SO IF YOU WORK FOR THE OLIVE WOODS CEMETERY, COME TALK TO ME.
WE ACTUALLY, IT WAS LISTED AS, UH, ONE OF THE 11.
IT IT'S ONE OF THE 11 MOST ENDANGERED.
SO THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED THAT I WAS IN HOUSTON AND I WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE GOING AND VISITING THE SITE MYSELF.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO HOLLYWOOD YET? I HAVE NOT, BUT I'VE WRITTEN A PAPER ABOUT IT FOR ONE OF MY CLASSES LAST SEMESTER.
SO I THOUGHT IT HIT VERY CLOSE TO HOME.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, CEMETERY.
WHEN YOU GET THERE, GIVE YOURSELF ENOUGH TIME TO GO CORNER TO CORNER.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S, YES, IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL AND QUITE INTACT EXCEPT FOR THE PART ON THE NORTH SIDE CLOSEST TO THE BAYOU, RIGHT? YES.
I I'VE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF PRO BONO LEGAL WORK FOR THE ORGANIZATION FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.
IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
IT'S SO, IT'S SO ENCROACHED NOW, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S, YET IT REMAINS INTACT.
AND, AND, UH, THE QUESTION ON THE LEO UH, LIONEL CASTILLO, UH, THAT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.
SO I, HOW WOULD, HOW CAN I HELP YOU TO MAKE SURE IT'S PROTECTED? WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING HOUSTON'S HISTORY.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL WRITTEN AND WE NEED TO SEND IT TO PRECINCT TWO.
UH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE TO KIND OF LIGHTLY, UH, ENCOURAGE AND TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF A PROTECTED LANDMARK NOMINATION TO ADRIAN GARCIA, WHO IS THE COMMISSIONER OF PRECINCT TWO.
UH, WE HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION AND, UH, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION.
SO THEIR CONCERNS WAS MAINLY ABOUT IT BEING A, UH, HARRIS COUNTY OWNED BUILDING AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS, UH, POSSIBLE FOR IT TO BE A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
UH, FROM OUR RESEARCH AND FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO UNCOVER, IT IS VERY MUCH POSSIBLE.
IT WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST IN TERMS OF IT BEING A PROTECTED LANDMARK.
BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, PROTECTED AND LISTED IN THE REGISTER IN THE HOUSTON AREA.
I THINK ADRIAN GARCIA WAS ALSO DISTRICT H IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO THAT WAS HIS NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
HE IS VERY TIED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY PROUD TO BE THERE, SO, OKAY.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ME TO TWIST THE ARMS SO I CAN DO THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, DOMINIC.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER UH, SEPULVEDA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO, UH, TO THIS PART OF OUR WORK.
UM, AND WE CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR, ON YOUR NEXT PHASE OF YOUR CAREER.
AND PLEASE LET US KNOW WHENEVER YOU GO TO TESTIFY FOR, UH, FOR PROMOTING THIS LANDMARK.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
OR I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, HOPEFULLY IN THE COMING MONTHS, I, YOU GUYS WILL SEE ME UP HERE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL BE NOMINATING IT FOR PROTECTED LANDMARK STATUS AND IT WILL GET APPROVED AND PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING WILL BE GREAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YES, THIS, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING FOR MADELINE MAYHILL.
SHE'S MAHAN, SHE'S LEAVING, UH, OUR OFFICE.
SHE'S ACCEPTED A POSITION WITH A PRIVATE PRESERVATION CONSULTANT.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HER A THANK YOU.
SHE'S BEEN A, A BRIGHT AMOUNT OF SUNSHINE AND LAUGHTER IN OUR OFFICE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE ABOUT A YEAR, RIGHT? A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW WE, SHE'S LEAVING US AND WE WISH HER, WISH HER.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
MADELINE, I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION.
ARE YOU LEAVING TOWN OR ARE YOU JUST LEAVING? UM, SHORT ANSWER, NO.
IT'S A REMOTE, BUT LONG ANSWER.
'CAUSE MY HUSBAND JUST JOINED THE MILITARY, SO THIS GIVES ME THAT FLEXIBILITY OF MOVE AROUND HIM WITH HIM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I DO LOVE HIM.
SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE AROUND HIM.
THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH PATIENCE WITH US AS WE WORK HARD TO GET THROUGH THESE THINGS.
AND THEN ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT OUR OFFICE IS TRYING TO GET TO, UH, WITH A LIMITED CAPACITY.
WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
WHAT, UM, DID YOU FIND OUT WHAT BRAND THAT WINDOW WAS? YES, IT WAS CREST CRESTWOOD, C CRESTMONT.