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I'M SALLY[Special-Called Regulatory and Neighborhood Affairs Committee]
ALCORN.THIS IS A, THE APRIL 8TH SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE REGULATORY AND NEIGHBORHOOD AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
SORRY FOR THE TECHNICAL DI DIFFICULTIES ON OUR FRIDAY MORNING MEETING, BUT A MIRACLE HAS HAPPENED UP HERE AND NOW THE MEETING HAS GONE LIVE ON TEAMS, SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE THIS MEETING AND, AND I KNOW A FRIDAY MORNING'S NOT, UH, THE MOST CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT HERE WE ARE.
IT'S IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT THIS, UM, MULTIPLE SETTING DESIGNATION, UM, BEING PUT FORTH BY THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR THE SITE.
LOCATED AT 38 14 LYONS AVENUE, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 2 OH IN COUNCIL DISTRICT B.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES.
MANY PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE HERE, UM, ARE BY JOINING US BY TEAMS. WE DO HAVE VICE CHAIR COUNCIL MEMBER AMY PECK IN THE CHAMBER, AND WE ARE ALSO JOINED BY VICE MAYOR PRO TEM MARTHA CASTEX.
TATUM AND STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ABBY CAYMAN'S, OFFICE COUNCIL, THE MAYOR PRO TEM DAVE MARTIN'S OFFICE.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KKU BOSS'S OFFICE.
UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON'S OFFICE.
NO, COUNCIL MEMBER PLUMMER'S OFFICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON'S OFFICE.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
WE'LL HOLD OUR QUESTIONS TILL AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
AS ALWAYS, WE HAVE MARK WOOTEN, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
MY NAME IS MARK WOOTEN, AND I'M A PROGRAM MANAGER IN HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS.
I'M JOINED BY MR. WYNN COLBERT, A SENIOR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
OUR PURPOSE IN HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS IS TOGETHER WE CREATE A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR HOUSTON TO THRIVE USING OUR FIVE TO THRIVE VALUES OF INTEGRITY, UH, TEAMWORK, OWNERSHIP, COMMUNICATION, AND RESPECT.
UH, TODAY, HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS IS HOLDING THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR ONE MSD APPLICATION.
UH, WE ARE JOINED BY MS. KATHY PEYTON, REPRESENTING FIFTH WARD REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY INTS 18, AND HARVEY CLEMONS, REPRESENTING PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
UH, WE ARE ALSO JOINED BY JOHN SPARKS, WAYNE PATTERSON AND COLIN NELSON, UH, REPRESENTING ARCADE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS SUPPORTING THIS MSD APPLICATION.
A MUNICIPAL SETTING DESIGNATION, OR MSD IS AN OFFICIAL DESIGNATION THAT CERTIFIES THAT A PROPERTY IS GROUNDWATER IS CONTAMINATED AND NOT TO BE USED AS POTABLE WATER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE DEED RESTRICTION IS VOLUNTARY AND CAN BE USED AS A TOOL FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPAIRMENTS TO GROUNDWATER, ALLOW FOR REINVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES, WHILE ALSO ADDRESSING PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS.
UH, THE MSD, THE MSD DESIGNATION IS ADMINISTERED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OR THE TCEQ, BUT IT REQUIRES LOCAL SUPPORT ARTICLES 13 OF CHAPTER 47.
UH, THE CODE OF ORDINANCE PROVIDES THE CITY'S PROCESS TO EITHER SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT, UH, MSD APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION TO THE STATE.
UH, THIS CROSS SECTION GRAPHIC ON THE SCREEN DEPICTS WHAT A MSD IS.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IMPACTED WITH GROUNDWATER IMPAIRMENT.
UH, IN THIS PROGRAM, ONLY SHALLOW GROUNDWATER, WHICH WOULD NOT BE USED FOR DRINKING IS CONSIDERED, UH, DRINKING WATER.
WELLS ARE TYPICALLY MUCH DEEPER THAN WHAT WE CONSIDER FOR THE MSD PROGRAM.
UH, WE REQUIRE THAT THE AREA WHERE THE CONTAMINATION IS OR THE PLUME BE FULLY DEFINED SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE IT IS THAT IT IS NOT GROWING AND THE SOURCE HAS TO BE REMOVED.
UH, TODAY WE HAVE ONE PROPERTY REQUESTING THIS MSD DESIGNATION.
THE MSD APPLICATION IS TO CONSIDER A SITE LOCATED AT 38 14 LYONS AVENUE IN COUNCIL.
DISTRICT B FIFTH WARD REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND TURS 18 ARE THE APPLICANTS.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 4.682 ACRES.
THE PLEASANT HILL VILLAGE APARTMENTS HAVE OCCUPIED PORTIONS OF THIS SITE SINCE 1998.
UH, PRIOR TO 1998, THE SITE WAS OCCUPIED BY DRY CLEANING BUSINESS WAS AND AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP.
UH, THE FORMER DRY CLEANER WAS LOCATED AT 39 0 4 LINES AVENUE FROM THE 1930S TO THE 1980S.
THE WASH WAS LOCATED AT 38 20 LIONS AVENUE FROM 1975 UNTIL
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1986, AND THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP WAS LOCATED AT 1530 PINNELL FROM 1953 TO 1962.CURRENTLY, THE SITE CONSISTS OF APARTMENTS, CHURCHES, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, A COMMUNITY CLINIC, AND VACANT LOTS.
THE SITE WAS ENROLLED IN A-T-C-E-Q VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PROGRAM IN 2016 AND WAS ASSIGNED A VCP NUMBER 28 0 8.
UH, THE CONTAMINATION AT THIS SITE CONSISTS OF ONE DI CHLORO ETHAN, CS ONE TWO DI CHLORO, ETHNE, TETRA CHLORO, ETHNE TRICHLOROETHYLENE, AND VINYL CHLORIDE.
A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HAS CERTIFIED THAT THE AERIAL CONTAMINATION IS DELINEATED AS DEPICTED IN BLUE.
IT IS STABLE AND IN MOST CASES, DECREASING IN CONCENTRATION.
ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2022, WRITTEN NOTICES IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND REGISTERED CIVIC GROUPS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SITE AND TO WATER WELL OWNERS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THE SITE.
UH, OUR DEPARTMENT THEN HOSTED A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING ON JANUARY 6TH, 2022 VIA MICROSOFT TEAMS BASED ON THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED IN THE APPLICATION INPUT FROM VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS AND INPUT AT THE PUBLIC MEETING.
MY DIRECTOR HAS REQUESTED THIS MEETING.
UH, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF TODAY'S HEARING, THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSTON PUBLIC WORKS WILL, WILL ASK THAT COUNCIL TAKE ACTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO SUPPORT THIS MSD APPLICATION.
THE ORDINANCE WILL INCLUDE ALL ELEMENTS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND ARTICLES 13 OF CHAPTER 47 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
THE APPLICANTS ARE, ARE PRESENT TODAY AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE AND THE APPLICANT, ALONG WITH, UH, THEIR CONSULTANTS AND HPW STAFF ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. WOOTEN, CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT THE, WHAT'S GOING, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT'S PLANNED? UH, THE, CURRENTLY IT'S APARTMENTS.
IT'S A COMMUNITY CLINIC, UH, CHURCHES AND VACANT LOTS.
AND THE, THE CURRENT USE IS GONNA REMAIN THE SAME.
THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. WOOTEN? SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, WE HAD PEOPLE SIGN UP, UH, BY YESTERDAY'S 5:00 PM DEADLINE.
EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'LL FIRST CALL AMY DEN, REPRESENTING PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD.
FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
I'VE BEEN READING YESTERDAY AND TODAY THE, THE DOCUMENTATION YOU SENT TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
UH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE TEAM MANAGING ATTORNEY FOR LONE STAR LEGAL AID HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT, PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
ONGOING COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT CONTAMINATION AND FIFTH WARD HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE, LIKE THE UNION PACIFIC SITE.
THE PLEASANT HILL SITE IS A SITE OF KNOWN LEGACY CONTAMINATION RELATED TO A FORMER DRY CLEANER, FORMER WAS, AND FORMER AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP.
THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN FULLY REMEDIATED.
THERE'S EXISTING GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION AND LEAD CONTAMINATION IN THE SOIL.
THESE CONCERNS ARE TROUBLING TO THE COMMUNITY, GIVEN THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT ARE PART OF AN APPLICATION HAVE ALREADY BEEN REDEVELOPED AS A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY AND A LEGACY HEALTHCARE CLINIC.
LONE STAR LEGAL AID HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ITS CLIENT, PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING HIRING AN EXPERT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE DATA SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION TO MAKE SURE IT MET THE CITY'S STATED STATE CRITERIA FOR AN MSD CERTIFICATION.
MR. RICHARD BOST OF I TWO M ASSOCIATES, A LICENSED ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL, CONCLUDED THAT THE APPLICATION DID NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA FOR THE REASONS OUTLINED IN OUR LETTER OF MARCH 25TH, 2022, WHICH ATTACHED HIS REPORT AND A POWERPOINT SUMMARY OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED MSD SITE.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DATA SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION TO SUPPORT ANY CONCLUSION BY THE CITY THAT THE SITE IS SUITABLE FOR AN MSD.
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WELLS AT THE SITE OF THE FORMER DRY CLEANERS, AND THE WELLS THAT HAVE BEEN SAMPLED ARE NOT SUFFICIENT DATA POINTS TO DRAW THE CONCLUSIONS STATED IN THE APPLICATION TO SAMPLING EVENTS IN FOUR YEARS.
THE WELLS ARE ALSO NOT IN THE RIGHT LOCATIONS NEAR ENOUGH TO THE DRY CLEANERS OR SHALLOW ENOUGH TO SHOW THE FULL EXTENT OF THE CONTAMINATION.
FURTHER, THE DATA AVAILABLE SUGGESTS THAT THERE IS NOT ONLY UNMEDIATED LEAD CONTAMINATION IN THE SOIL PRESENT AT THE SITE WHERE SENIORS ARE LIVING A DIRECT EXPOSURE PATHWAY, BUT THAT THERE ARE ALSO VALID CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPOSURE OF THESE SENIORS TO VAPOR INTRUSION FROM COORDINATED SOLVENTS IN THE GROUNDWATER.
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SINCE THERE'S AN ABSENCE OF TESTING TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT A CONCERN UNDER THE FORMER DRY CLEANER SITE, THESE CONCERNS WOULD BE IMPORTANT IN ENEMY MSD APPLICATION AS IT DOES NOT MEET THE CITY'S STANDARD CRITERIA TO PRO, UH, APPROVE AN MSD.IN THIS CASE, IT'S EVEN MORE CONCERNING TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE 165 UNITS DESIGNATED FOR SE SENIOR LIVING AND A HEALTHCARE CLINIC SERVING VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, INCLUDING CHILDREN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS PROPOSED MSD AS OPPOSED TO VACANT OR UNDEVELOPED LAND LIKE A TYPICAL BROWNFIELD.
THESE COMMUNITY CONCERNS SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO EXISTING RISK OF CONTAMINATION AFTER THE SITE HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED.
AND WAS ANYTHING DONE? WAS AN MSD SOUGHT OR ANYTHING DONE WHEN, WHEN THE SITE WAS REDEVELOPED, WHEN THE APARTMENTS WERE PUT IN, WHEN LEGACY MOVED IN? WHAT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT APPLICA, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I BELIEVE I, I'M NOT ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING IN THE APPLICATION THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT WAS THE CASE.
WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
MARK, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT? WELL, BASED ON THE APPLICATION RESPONSE, ACTIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ON AT THAT SITE SINCE THE LATE, UH, 1990S.
UM, THEY, THEY PURSUED THE MSDI BELIEVE IN 2019 WHEN THEY HAVE DETERMINED, BASED ON THEIR SAMPLING THAT THE GROUNDWATER PLUME WAS STABLE, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE MSD PROGRAM.
UM, IF YOU WANT ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK JOHN SPARKS, HE SEALED THE APPLICATION AND HE'S, HE'S PRESENT TODAY AND HE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT.
IS HE SIGNED UP AS A PUBLIC SPEAKER TODAY? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
I WILL, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SIGNED UP.
SO I'LL, I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION OF, OF HIM.
SO THE MSD IN 2019, WAS THAT APPROVED? NO.
THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN UNDER, THAT'S THE SAME ONE? YES.
AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED AND OFFERED COMMENTS.
SO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE REVIEWED THIS AS MS. STY SUGGESTED THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REVIEW THIS SITE AND THIS APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, I'LL NEED TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS ERICA HUBBARD REPRESENTING PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
AND I BELIEVE SHE'S JOINING US VIRTUALLY SEE HER ONLINE.
AND WE YEAH, WE SEE YOU ONLINE.
SO THE FLOOR IS YOURS, MS. HUBBARD.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
I'M HERE TO COMMUNICATE THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE MSC APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY PLEASANT HILLS CBC.
UM, WE HAVE THREE MAIN CONCERNS.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN ALREADY ECHOED BY MS. DI, BUT I'LL REITERATE OUR CONCERNS.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE MSC APPLICATION DOES NOT REVEAL THE EXTENT OF THE CONTAMINATION ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY SUBMITTED.
LIKE MS. D STATED, THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN TWO SAMPLE EVENTS WITHIN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A PLUME IS STABLE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA THAT IS OLD, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AGAIN, SO THAT WE CAN TELL WHETHER OR NOT THIS PLUME IS MOVING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION THAT THEY PUT IN THAT PORTION OF THEIR APPLICATION.
SECONDLY, THE WELLS THAT THEY WERE IN THAT WERE INSTALLED TO MONITOR THE CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER OR NOT DEEP ENOUGH, MS. DEN TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION, THE EXPERT LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION.
THERE'S NO WAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THINGS ARE MOVING AROUND UNDERNEATH THE GROUND BASED ON THE SMALL, THE, THE, THE SHALLOWNESS OF THE WELL, THEY SHOULD.
AND I BELIEVE TCEQ ALSO POINTED THIS OUT AS A DEFICIENCY WHEN THEY TRIED TO SUBMIT A VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PLAN THAT WAS REJECTED.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTATED AS WELL.
LASTLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, SENIOR CITIZENS, OUR MOST FRAGILE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING ON TOP OF THIS CONTAMINATION ARE AT RISK.
MR. CLEMENS KNEW ABOUT THIS CONTAMINATION OVER 20 YEARS AGO, AND SUDDENLY IN 2016, HE DECIDES TO APPLY FOR A VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PLAN.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SCRUTINY
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AND SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THAT.AND WHAT DID MR. CLEMENS DO PRIOR TO THAT TO MITIGATE THE EXPOSURE? THAT IS A, A HUGE CONCERN FOR ALL OF US.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ADVERSE HEALTH RISKS TO THE SENIORS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY AIR SAMPLING FROM THE INDOOR AIR INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO TELL WHETHER OR NOT THE SENIORS ARE AT RISK.
SO WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT I'VE STATED, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF FIFTH WARD SHOULD DESERVE TO, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IN TERMS OF THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND THIS APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE SCRUTINIZED, REJECTED, OR EITHER RE RESUBMITTED AFTER THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY HAVE NOT DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
TH THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. HUBBARD.
AND I'LL, I'LL BRING UP SOME OF THOSE POINTS WITH THE A WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CRAIG ANTHONY THOMAS, REPRESENTING, UM, NEIGHBORS FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
WE SEE THAT YOU'RE CONNECTED, SO EITHER PUSH STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
WELL, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, SIR.
NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM DEBBIE ALLEN.
MS. ALLEN, ARE YOU ABLE TO CONNECT? WE DON'T SEE YOUR NUMBER ON HERE, SO I'LL MOVE ON TO WAYNE PATTERSON REPRESENTING ARC.
HE IS A CONSULTANT FOR THE TURS, I BELIEVE.
MR. PATTERSON, WE SEE YOUR NUMBER ON, SO HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
I THINK WE'RE HAVING A TEAMS PROBLEM.
LET US WORK ON THIS FOR A SECOND.
IS THIS WAYNE PATTERSON? OKAY, I THINK WE'RE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS CONNECTING.
AND JOHN SPARKS REPRESENTING PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, ENTERS 18.
WELL, HE'S HERE IN PERSON, SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CARRY ON.
I'LL COME BACK TO THE OTHER CALLERS.
AM I GOOD NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME? THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RESPOND HERE.
UH, WE WERE BROUGHT ON BY, UM, THE FIFTH WARD, UM, REDEVELOPMENT IN THE TOURS IN 2016 TO ADDRESS THE SITE.
THERE WAS A PRIOR, UM, BCP CASE, AND PERHAPS THAT'S, UM, WHAT, UH, OUR, OUR FOLKS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE TEAM PROGRESSOR FIFTH WARD ARE REFERRING TO.
BUT, UH, BEGINNING IN 2016, WE WORKED WITH THE, UM, TCQ TO, UM, UH, ADDRESS THE EXISTING DATA AND DEVELOP A PATH FORWARD.
AND IN THE APPENDIX K PERHAPS, UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE NOT SEEN ALL OTHER REPORTS.
UM, APPENDIX K OF THE MSD APPLICATION POINTS PEOPLE TO THE A 2018 EFFECTIVE PROPERTY ASSESSMENT REPORT.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ACRONYMS. THEY'RE JUST, UM, HAPPEN IN OUR, IN OUR INDUSTRY.
AND SOME OF THE, UM, PRIOR, UM, CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE TCQ, INCLUDING A SAMPLING AND ANALYSIS WORK PLAN ON HOW WE WENT ABOUT, UM, SELECTING THE WELLS THAT, UM, WE HAVE HEARD ARE IN QUESTION.
UM, THOSE WELLS DID TAG THE SHALLOW AND THE DEEP, UM, WATER BEARING ZONES THERE.
IF THOSE SHALLOWS AT 25, THE DEEPER IS AT 50.
THE WELLS CLOSEST TO THE SOURCE HAVE SIX ROUNDS OF SAMPLES.
UM, PERHAPS ARE, UM, THE PRIOR
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SPEAKERS ARE SPEAKING TO THE VERY LAST WELLS THAT WERE INSTALLED AT THE EDGES, WHICH WERE CLEAN, WHICH DO HAVE THREE SAMPLE ROUNDS.UM, IN THOSE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE LEAD, THAT LEAD HAS BEEN SAMPLED IN EVERY, UM, GROUNDWATER EVENT.
AND IT'S BEEN NOT DETECTED AT THE SITE AS YOU CAN, UM, FIND IN THE, UH, TABLES IN APPENDIX G OF THE, UH, MSD APPLICATION.
AND THE LEAD WAS ADDRESSED WITH THE COVER SYSTEM THAT WAS, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY APPLICABLE FOR THAT AREA.
WE THOUGHT IT, IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE DIDN'T PAVE EVERYTHING OVER IN CONCRETE AND TEAR AND TEAR OUT THE TREES.
WE WERE ABLE TO WORK AROUND THE EXISTING TREES AND PLACE A, UH, COVER SYSTEM THAT WAS ACTUALLY PERMEABLE.
UM, THERE, UM, AS TO THE, UM, UH, UH, VAPOR, THE APAR DOES ADDRESS THE VAPOR.
UM, IT WAS ADDRESSED IN, UM, SECTION 5.2 0.3 OF THE A PAR.
WE USED THE JOHNSON AND INGER MODEL FROM THE, UH, PUBLISHED BY THE U-S-E-P-A.
UM, WE MODIFIED IT WITH THE TQS, UM, PUBLISHED TOXICITY FACTORS.
AND WE CALCULATED FOR, THERE'S AN ELEVATOR SHAFT IN THE LEGACY HEALTH CLINIC.
UM, SO WE USE THE ELEVATOR SHAFT AS PROBABLY THE WORST CASE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND A RESIDENT LIVING ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE, UH, PLEASANT HILL VILLAGE APARTMENTS.
UM, ALL OF THE CALCULATIONS ARE IN EIGHT APPENDIX NINE.
AND THE CONCLUSION THERE, WHICH THE TC CRE Q AGREED WITH, WAS THAT VAPORS WERE NOT AN ISSUE IN EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE, WAS THAT MY TIME UP? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR TIME.
I DON'T WANNA BREAK ANY RULES HERE.
SO ON THE, THE QUESTION OF NOT DEEP ENOUGH, THE 50 IS, IS THAT CONSIDERED DEEP? I MEAN, THAT IS THAT AS DEEP AS PEOPLE GO, AND, AND SO WE TAGGED, UM, UNDERLYING CLAYS THAT ACT AS AQUITARDS SO THAT, UM, CONTAMINANTS CAN'T MOVE VERTICALLY.
AND WE TOOK, UM, SOIL SAMPLES OF THAT CLAY AND RAN THEM FOR, UM, GEOTECHNICAL PARAMETERS.
THEY TESTED OUT AT, AT, UH, AND AGAIN, I'M APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL.
THEY, THEY TESTED OUT AT 10 OF THE MINUS SEVEN CENTIMETERS PER SECOND, WHICH IS WHAT YOU PUT ON THE COVER OF A LANDFILL TO KEEP WATER FROM GETTING INTO, UM, A LANDFILL.
SO THE TCQ ACCEPTED THAT AS EVIDENCE THAT WE WERE DELINEATED, UM, VERTICALLY.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE EXISTING WELLS, THERE WAS ONE, WELL, NUMBER 10, UM, THAT WAS INSTALLED, UM, PROBABLY IN, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
THAT WAS ACROSS BOTH THE SHALLOW AND THE LOWER ZONES.
AND THAT IS ALSO DOCUMENTED IN THE GEOLOGICAL SECTION OF THE APAR.
AND WE TELEVISED THAT WELL AND PLUGGED IT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT PROBABLY WAS ACTING AS A SOURCE FOR HOW THE OLD DRY CLEANING CONTAMINANTS COULD MOVE FROM THE SHALLOW INTO THE DEEPER ZONE.
AND ABOUT THE VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PLAN, UM, I THINK MS. HUBBARD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS REJECTED, BUT THIS SITE DID GO THROUGH THE VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PLAN.
SO, UM, VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PROGRAM APPLICATION NUMBER 5 44 WAS THE ONE THAT WAS WITHDRAWN, AND PERHAPS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS WERE SPEAKING TO 5 44.
UM, AND I DON'T, UM, UH, THAT WAS A TIME OF CHANGING REGULATIONS TO PRIOR CONSULTANTS.
THEY WERE DEALING WITH A CHANGEOVER FROM ONE SET OF REGULATIONS TO ANOTHER.
AND, AND HOW THEY, THEY, UM, HAD TROUBLES GETTING THINGS APPROVED.
THEY ALSO HAD THAT, WELL, THAT WAS SCREENED ACROSS BOTH ZONES.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING TO IN, IN OUR 28 0 8 WITH CHRISTOPHER MOORE.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, RESPONDING TO THEM.
OF COURSE, THEY HAVE COMMENTS AS THEY GO ALONG, BUT I WOULDN'T EVER USE THE WORD DISAGREE AS PART OF 28 0 8.
AND I THINK CHRISTOPHER MOORE WOULD BACK US UP ON THAT.
AND MR. WOOTEN, IT DOES SAY THAT THEY WERE PART OF THE VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PROGRAM IN 2016, THIS SITE.
THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN WE CAME IN.
AND ONE MORE COMMENT FROM MS. HUBBARD THAT I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO IS THE, UM, SAMPLINGS FROM THE INDOOR AREA, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEGACY? SO THAT'S, SO, UM, UM, SHE IS CORRECT THAT WE DID NOT COLLECT ANY SAMPLES.
THOSE ARE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET.
AND, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE RAN THIS MODEL TO CALCULATE WHAT THESE CONCENTRATIONS LEFT IN THE GROUNDWATER BENEATH THESE TWO BUILDINGS
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MIGHT CAUSE WITHIN THE BUILDINGS, IF THE AIR, UM, IF THE CHEMICALS VOLATILIZED AND GOT INTO THE BUILDINGS.AND THAT WAS THE EPA METHODOLOGY THAT I REFERENCED.
IT'S IN APPENDIX NINE OF THE APAR.
AND THE, UH, CALCULATIONS, UM, INDICATED THAT THE INDOOR AIR WAS NOT A PATHWAY OF CONCERN AT THESE CONCENTRATIONS.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SPARKS? NOT SEEING ANY? WE WILL TRY TO GO BACK AND CONNECT WITH CRAIG ANTHONY THOMAS.
WAYNE PATTERSON WITH ARC AND, AND SOME MIGHT JUST BE CONSULTANTS THAT JUST WANNA BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK, JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO SELENA SAMUEL REPRESENTING PROGRESSIVE FIFTH WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
WE DO SEE YOUR NUMBER ONLINE, SO IF YOU COULD HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU'RE, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE UNMUTED, SO START TALKING.
WE REALLY GOTTA GET THIS THING FIXED.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, MS. STEVENSON.
JOETTA STEVENSON, REPRESENTING FIFTH WARD.
I SEE THAT YOU'RE ON AND YOU'VE DONE HELLO? THERE YOU ARE.
MS. STEVENSON, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, UM, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK VERY LONG, BUT, UM, I, I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INABILITY FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS OF FIFTH WARD, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IMPACTED BY ANY DECISIONS THAT WOULD BE MADE BY THIS COMMITTEE, THEIR INABILITY TO ACCESS OR HAVE A VOICE.
UH, I, MY PHONE IS BLOWING UP.
I COULD NOT EVEN ENTER, UH, UH, ACCESS THIS MEETING.
AND, AND THAT IS A MAJOR, MAJOR, UH, DISAPPOINTMENT AND, AND A PROBLEM.
UM, I, I WAS ABLE TO LISTEN TO BITS AND PIECES OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS THE, I GUESS, CONSULTANT FOR THE TURS AS WELL AS THE, UM, AS WELL AS PLEASANT HILL, UH, CDC.
AND, UH, I WAS LISTENING TO SOME OF HIS THINGS.
HE WERE, HE WAS SAYING, AND HE DID APOLOGIZE FOR, UH, BEING SO TECHNICAL, WHICH THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY TECHNICAL, BUT, UH, BUT WHAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME IS THE FACT THAT I'M SORRY.
ARE YOU GETTING FEEDBACK? I'M SORRY.
UH, WHAT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME AS HE WAS SPEAKING, HE, IT'S AS THOUGH HE HAS A WHOLE KIND OF A NEW REPORT OR SOMETHING, OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OR DID NOT KNOW ABOUT.
AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT VERY, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE REPORTS AND THE, UH, THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE RECEIVED, THE, UM, EXTRAORDINARY, UH, UH, RESEARCH THAT, UH, I KNOW, UH, ERICA HUB HUBBARD HAD DONE, UM, THE, ALL OF THIS DATA AND, AND THE, THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, IS TELLING ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM EXTRA, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING UNTIL WE GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THIS.
AND, AND AS I, AS I SAID, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT JUST SIMPLY NOT ON THIS CALL, THEY CAN'T BE HEARD.
UH, UH, I ALSO NEED YOU ALL TO TALK TO YOUR TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE.
'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
BUT, BUT THAT GENTLEMAN THAT WE GAVE THAT REPORT, I, I NOW KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION FAILURE ON, ON EVERY LEVEL HERE.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY, A TRAVESTY TO MOVE THIS ANY FURTHER UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF ORGAN ORGANIZATION OF THIS OR, OR, OR, UH, CLEARER CLARITY ON WHAT'S
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GOING ON.UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION I'VE RECEIVED, THE REPORTS I'VE, I'VE MANAGED TO READ AND UNDERSTAND AND EVEN HAD A, A SPECIAL, UH, UM, CONVERSATION.
LAST, A CHAT LAST NIGHT WITH A, A, AN EXPERT.
I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS MOVING ANY FURTHER TODAY.
AND I AM GOING TO ASK HUMBLY ASK THIS COMMITTEE TO JUST PUT PAUSE, JUST PAUSE, SO THAT WE CAN GET, UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, DETAIL WHAT THAT GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT HE, HE, HE WAS BASICALLY, I GUESS, ANSWERING OR RESPONDING TO SOME THINGS WE WANNA SEE THAT WE WANNA SEE IN WRITING, UH, THE THINGS THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO THAT HE COULD SAY, OH, NO, WE DID THIS INSTEAD OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I THANK, THANK YOU.
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S EMBARRASSING TO SIT UP HERE AND HAVE PEOPLE NOT ABLE TO CONNECT ON AN ISSUE THAT'S AFFECTING THEIR COMMUNITY.
SO YOU HAVE MY APOLOGIES ON THAT.
AND THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH IT ABOUT THIS.
IT SEEMS TO BE A, A PROBLEM THAT, THAT WE KEEP HAVING.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE DOCUMENTATION TO WHICH THE CONSULTANT WAS REFERRING MR. WOOTEN, IS THIS, WAS HE REFERRING TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION? WELL, THE DATA THAT, THAT, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT SUBMIT TO US IS BASED ON OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR, WHAT'S REQUIRED OF OUR ORDINANCE IN OUR MSD APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE SOME OF THE DATA THAT HE WAS BRINGING FORWARD WAS PART OF HIS, UH, A PAR R, UH, WITH TC Q.
IT WASN'T AN A PAR R IF YOU COULD DEFINE THAT.
UH, IT'S A AFFECTED PROPERTY ASSESSMENT REPORT.
AND THAT'S A PART OF THE, UH, REPORTING THAT THEY DO TO THE TCQ, WHICH IS, IT IS VERY, IT'S IN A VERY EXTENSIVE REPORT, BUT WHAT THEY SUBMIT TO THE CITY IS WHAT'S REQUIRED OF OUR ORDINANCE, UM, AND OUR MSD APPLICATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF, IF THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, BE SPECIFIC ON WHAT INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED, I BELIEVE THE CONSULTANT, I MEAN, IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER, IF THEY NEED VAPOR INTRUSION, UH, DATA, SOIL DATA, THAT'S PART OF THE RESPONSE ACTION, UH, WE COULD DEFINITELY, SURE.
THE CONSULTANT CAN GET, I THINK, I THINK THE COMMUNITY DEFINITELY DESERVES SOME OF THE POINTS THAT BOTH, UM, MS. DEN AND MS. HUBBARD BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT THAT CONSULTANT WAS ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A, A NECESSARY TO WORK THROUGH THE, THE SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THAT, THAT INFORMATION ON THE DEPTH OF THE WELLS, THE AMOUNT OF THE WELLS, THE VAPORS, THE SAMPLINGS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOBODY IS PROBABLY GOING TO UNDERSTAND.
I KNOW I WOULDN'T TO THE ENTIRE A PR, BUT, BUT THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MOST SALIENT IN THE, IN THE, UM, DOCUMENT, UM, FROM MS. DEN AND THE COMMENTS FROM MS. HUBBARD, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY PROBABLY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
HOW IN THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS ADVERTISED, WERE THERE, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP? WAS THERE, WERE THERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS BACK IN JANUARY, BUT I, I, I THINK WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT ON THAT MEETING OKAY.
BASED ON OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THE MSD, IT DEALS WITH GROUNDWATER AND A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS DEALING WITH SOIL AND VAPOR, THAT'S ALL ADDRESSED IN THE APAR, THE ACTUAL MSD APPLICATION.
WHEN THEY COME TO THE CITY, THEY'RE COMING TO ADDRESS THE GROUNDWATER.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE MORE EXTENSIVE AND DEAL WITH THE WHOLE ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE, DEALING WITH GROUNDWATER, SOIL, AND VAPOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF CONFUSION IS, IS COMING FROM.
BUT THE MSD APPLICATION SOLELY ADDRESSES THE GROUNDWATER.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I DO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
I, WHAT I THINK HAPPENS IS WHEN THE, WHEN THE MSDS COME, THEN IT JUST BRINGS UP A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS.
IT MAKES IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE, THE CATALYST FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S STILL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC TO THE GROUNDWATER AND THE MS. D, WHICH I KNOW HAS VERY SET CRITERIA FOR THE CITY, UH, I DO THINK WE, WE, UM, SHOULD DO OUR, DO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY HAS THE INFORMATION ON THE OTHER MATTERS AS WELL.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT DISTINCTION.
UM, AND THANK YOU, MS. STEVENSON.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. STEVENSON OR WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT SHE SAID? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO HARVEY CLEMONS, JR.
AND WELCOME, CA, COUNCIL MEMBER CAROLYN, EVAN SHABAZZ.
SHE HAS BEEN ON THE MEETING AS WELL.
WE DO NOT SEE REVEREND CLEMENS, COLIN NELSON, REPRESENTING ARC
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NOT SEEING HIM.DOLORES MAGRUDER REPRESENTING FIFTH WARD SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD.
MS. MAGRUDER, I BELIEVE YOU WERE ON, WE'LL SEE IF YOU COME BACK, I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THIS LIST.
SANDRA EDWARDS REPRESENTING IMPACT FIFTH WARD.
FIFTH WARD, SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHO, WHO'S SPEAKING? SOMEBODY JUST SPOKE IF YOU WANNA SPEAK AGAIN.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHO'S SPEAKING? NEIGHBORHOOD? CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? THIS IS HARVEY.
I, I I CAN HEAR YOU, SIR, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HEAR ME.
CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME? HARVEY CLEMONS.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS CHAIRMAN OF TERRA 18.
OUR CONSULTANT, UH, JOHN SPARKS IS THERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO THIS MSD, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE, UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND MADE IT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE THAT, UH, HAVE INTEREST IN IT.
IT IS A PART OF PUBLIC RECORDS.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S, NO, I MEAN, WE TRIED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE, AND MR. SPARK, UH, CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AS IT RELATES TO, TO THAT WE HAVE MET ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT IS DESIGNATED BY, UH, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, UH, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS IT RELATES TO MSD APPLICATIONS.
WE'VE MET ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND THE PROTOCOLS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY TCQ, UH, TO GET TO THIS, UM, UH, TO GET TO THIS POINT.
SO WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, REVEREND CLEMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, OFFER TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE DOC, THESE REPORTS ARE ALL PUBLIC RECORD, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMULGATED.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY ABOUT IT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOOD MORNING.
I KEEP HEARING THAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEY HAVE APPLIED, UH, AND THEY ARE GOING BY GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES.
BUT WHEN ARE THEY GONNA EXCEED THE GUIDELINES? WHEN THEY COME IN OUR AREA, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA LOOK OUT AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, THEY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED ENOUGH.
LET'S, LET'S GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN GUIDELINE SO LONG JUST GOING BY THE GUIDELINES TO EVERYBODY OVER HERE DID.
SO WHEN WE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WHEN WE GONNA CHANGE THE STRATEGY AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S LOOK OUT FOR THE PEOPLE AND WE GONNA DO SOMETHING MORE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HEALTH IS TAKEN CARE OF.
I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE, UH, I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE FROM THERE.
I'M WE GOING THROUGH A LOT WITH THE CANCER CLUSTER, UH, DOING JUST THE BARE MINIMUM.
SO BARE MINIMUM, REALLY JUST NOT WORKING OUT HERE ANYMORE.
CAN WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE EXP I MEAN, GO ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR US, FOR ONE, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR ELDER.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE WORKED FOR US AND LIVE FOR US, AND HAVE PAVED THE WAY, AND THEY AT THE POINT WHERE WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THEM.
FROM THE, FROM THE RISING OF THE RENT TO THE RISING OF THE D PLUME, FROM ALL OF THIS IS JUST WRONG.
GIVE THESE PEOPLE SOMETHING SOMETIMES AND STARTING TO KEEP TAKING AND TAKING ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE LIFE.
QUIT TAKING, TAKING, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS GOING ON NOW, BUT I KNOW THIS IS ABOUT THE WATER, THE GROUNDWATER, SO I'M GONNA KEEP IT RIGHT THERE.
BUT CAN WE DO A LITTLE MORE FOR OUR SENIORS, OUR PEOPLE? PERIOD.
CAN WE DO A LITTLE MORE INSTEAD OF JUST FOLLOW GUIDELINES, JUST EXCEEDING THE GUIDELINES.
CAN WE RAISE THE GUIDELINE? MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO RAISE THE GUIDELINE.
WE'LL GET A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, GET SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE THIS EXCEEDING THE GUIDELINE AIN'T BROKEN OVER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. EDWARDS.
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YOUR COMMENTS.NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM KATHY FLANAGAN.
PEYTON REPRESENTING FIFTH WARD REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
WE DON'T SEE HER ON, WE TRIED CALLING.
WE DON'T SEE HER ON NEXT WALTER MALLET.
WE DO SEE YOU ON MR. OH, KATHY PEYTON.
I WANT TO, UH, REITERATE AND TRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SAFETY, UH, IN HOUSTON'S FIFTH WARD.
I THINK IT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US, AND PART OF THE WORK THAT'S TAKEN PLACE RIGHT NOW IS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
THE MSD GIVES THE CITY THE TOOLS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING THE GROUNDWATER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
IT IS NOT ABOUT CONTAMINATING AN AREA.
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT ASSESSING BLAME ON HOW IT GOT THERE.
WE ALL ARE VERY WELL AWARE THAT ALONG LIONS AVENUE, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 50, UH, GAS STATIONS AND AUTO REPAIRS AND CLEANERS.
WE DID NOT CREATE THE PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE FIFTH WARD CAN HAVE A SAFE AND QUALITY LIFESTYLE BY TAKING THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WHILE THEY MAY NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT TECHNICAL OR PROFESSIONALS, THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN SET.
IF THE RULES OF THE GAME CHANGE, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPLY.
OUR GOAL AS THE TOURISM, THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, ARE TO RECLAIM THE LAND AND REDEVELOP THIS AREA AND DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER.
THIS MSD PROCESS HAS BEEN A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, AS REVEREND CLEMENTS HAS ALLUDED TO, THE INFORMATION IS PUBLIC AND IT IS MADE AVAILABLE WITH REGARD TO THE TESTING, THE VAPORS, AND THE CURRENT STATUS OF ALL OF THE CONTAMINANTS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE APAR.
UH, WE WILL BE, UH, HAVING A, THE CITY, I BELIEVE MARKED, IS ALSO HOSTING A TABLE AT A FESTIVAL THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WILL BE PROVIDING INFORMATION AND SHARING INFORMATION.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL BE THERE AND ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALISTS.
SO IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO NOT BE TRANSPARENT.
WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL INFORMED OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, NOT TO DESTROY LIFE.
I AM A NATIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND I VALUE THIS COMMUNITY VERY MUCH.
CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE FESTIVAL YOU TALKED ABOUT WHERE THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO FIND OUT MORE? THE FESTIVAL IS IN THE 3,800 TO 4,000 BLOCK OF LYONS AVENUE.
THE STATE OF HOUSTON HAS A BOOTH THERE ALONG WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALISTS AS WELL.
IT STARTS AT 12 NOON AND ENDS AT FIVE.
AND THE DATE SATURDAY, APRIL THE NINTH.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, WALTER MALLET, THE NEXT GOOD MORNING.
UH, THIS, UH, THIS WALTER MALLET.
I, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THE SPEAKER BEFORE AND AGAIN.
WE WERE ON ANOTHER MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND BASICALLY THIS SAME ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
WHEN YOU'RE AT THE FESTIVAL, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN A FESTIVE MODE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE SO MUCH TIME TO INDIVIDUALLY BE INFORMED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE ON A MASS BASIS.
THIS SHOULD BE IN AN ASSEMBLY, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
OKAY? WE ARE BEING ATTACKED ON OUR LEVEL IN THIS AREA, THE RENT, THE WATER, THE, THE, THE TAXES, EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE HEAR ABOUT THIS MIRACLE CLAY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO FIX ALL.
WHERE'S THIS CLAY COMING FROM? IS THIS LOCAL CLAY? IS IT IMPORTED CLAY? IS IT A SPECIAL BLEND OF CLAY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DO THIS MIRACLE THING? AND, AND JUST PUSH ALL THIS, UH, PLUME AND UNDERWATER UNDERGROUND WATER VAPORS TO THE SIDE, THE SIDE.
WHERE'S THE MIRACLE? HOW OFTEN, HOW OFTEN WILL THIS BE TESTED? IS THIS GONNA BE, UH, UH, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BIANNUAL BASIS, OR THIS GONNA BE JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SAY, HEY, WE DONE IT.
UH, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER, OKAY, YOU SAY THIS WATER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, TOXIC, IT'S SO FAR UNDER THE GROUND, BUT
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ONCE IT FLOODS, WHAT HAPPENED? FLOOD.WATER DON'T CARE WHERE IT GOES AFTER IT GOES INTO THE GROUND.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHEN IT RAINS, WHEN IT'S FRESH AND RAINS AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SO MANY COLLISIONS ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THE OIL THAT'S IN THE CRACKS, THAT'S IN THE FREEWAYS, IT RISES WHENEVER THERE'S WATER PUT IN THE FRONT ON THE TOP OF IT.
SO THIS'S THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE ARE GONNA BE HAVING.
OKAY? AND AGAIN, WE'RE BEING ATTACKED ON ALL LEVELS HERE.
THE MENTAL HEALTH IN THIS AREA HAS GONE THROUGH THE ROOF BECAUSE WE HERE IN THESE CHALLENGE AREAS SEEM LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS OUR PROBLEMS, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT THIS JUNCTURE, SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY POLITICIANS, SINCE WE ARE THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY, SINCE WE'RE THE FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN THE WORLD, WHY ARE WE STILL EXPERIENCING ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE KIDS AND THE ELDERS? THANK YOU.
AND TO HIS QUESTION, MR. WOOTEN, ABOUT ONGOING MONITORING.
ONCE AN MSD IS APPROVED, THEN THEY WORK DIRECTLY WITH TCEQ ON MONITORING.
I MEAN, THE CITY, IS THE CITY INVOLVED ANYMORE AFTER AN MSD ON THE GROUNDWATER SIDE? WELL, ONCE, ONCE THE ORDINANCE OF SUPPORT IS GENERATED, THE APPLICATION THEN GOES, UH, BEFORE, UH, THE TCEQ.
AND WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE ADDRESSING GROUNDWATER, THEY TYPICALLY PUT ON UNDER A QUARTERLY OR SEMI-ANNUALLY, UH, MONITORING SCHEDULE.
UH, BUT ONCE A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS, IS ISSUED AND THE ORDINANCE IS THEN FILED ON THE DEED OF THE PROPERTY MONITORING WILL, WILL CEASE.
BECAUSE THE POINT OF THE MSD PROGRAM IS NATURAL ATTENUATION TO WHERE ONCE YOU GET TO PLUME TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S STABLE OR DECREASING, YOU LET MOTHER NATURE TAKE OVER AND IT'LL NATURALLY DEGRADE ON ITS OWN.
SO THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER THE, UH, COUNCIL APPROVES AN MSD THAT THE TCQ CONDUCTS MON OR MON REVIEWS MONITORING FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THEY YEAH.
UNTIL THEY, UM, OFFER A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION.
I CONTINUE TO HEAR THIS TRANSPARENCY, BUT TRANSPARENT TO WHO, TO YOUR COLLEAGUES OR TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE DO WANT THE TRANSPARENCY TO BE TO THE COMMUNITY FOR SURE.
AND WE WILL, UM, HAVE, WE'VE HAD MANY ASSURANCES THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IS PUBLIC AND QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED TO, TO, UM, TO THAT EFFECT.
I'M GONNA GO BACK THROUGH THE LIST OF SPEAKERS WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO CONNECT OR, OR WHO KNOWS, MIGHT BE ON CRAIG, ANTHONY THOMAS, MR. THOMAS, DEBBIE ALLEN, WAYNE PATTERSON, SELENA SAMUEL.
IF YOU WANNA STAR SIX TO UNMUTE COLIN NELSON.
WELL, YOU HAVE THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
WE WILL REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO YOU.
WE WILL GATHER YOUR COMMENTS AND TRANSCRIBE THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE THEM.
I APOLOGIZE, UM, IF THIS IS A TECHNICAL ISSUE ON THE CITY'S END THAT YOU WERE UNABLE TO CONNECT AND, UM, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND WE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU DIRECTLY FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I THINK WITH THAT, UM, WE DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE QUEUE, SO WE WILL ADJOURN.
I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, WE WILL MEET AGAIN ON TUESDAY,
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APRIL 12TH.THIS TUESDAY AT 10:00 AM TO HEAR FROM ADMINISTRATION AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS.
ON THE PROPOSED CHA CHANGES TO CHAPTER 30, THE, UM, WHICH GOVERNS NOISE AND SOUND REGULATION.
THE RED LINE IS AVAILABLE ON ARAS WEBSITE RIGHT NOW.
SO, AND THE PRESENTATION WILL BE POSTED TO THE RNA WEBSITE ONCE IT'S FINALIZED, HOPEFULLY VERY SOON.
BUT THE RED LINE IS UP, SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE ON A FRIDAY MORNING.
APPRECIATE ALL THE GOOD WORK OF MR. WOOTEN AND ALL THE PUBLIC'S PARTICIPATION.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.